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[spoiler]Lossless albums:
Ar tonelico Music Collection Torrent: http://www.bakabt.com/153236-ar-tonelico-music-collection.html
All tracks are encoded in FLAC format and include scans of covers and booklets. Torrent does not include AT3's Drama and Hymmnos Musical discs.

Alternative set of torrents:
AT3 - OST: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=112183
AT3 - Hymmnos albums: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=111040

CADENA ~Atelier Series Jazz Arrange Album Featuring Mami Horie Vol.1~
http://www.sonixgvn.net/2011/06/cadena-atelier-series-jazz-arrange.html

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Mediafire Folder of Ar tonelico / Atelier goodies:
http://www.mediafire.com/?rddbnsio6dayi

Contents:
- AT1-3 OST, Hymmnos Concerts
- AT1-2 Drama CDs, Hymmnos Musicals
- Utau Oka ~Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor~ (Album)
- AT3 Artbook
- Offline AT2 Flash Cosmospheres
- AT3 Yokkora fan disc
- original /jp/ stuff</spoiler>

[spoiler]I got 99 problems and a barrel ain't one of 'em.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Akiko Shikata Matsuri @ GUST Shop - until Jan 1st 2012
- Order a Shikata Akiko CD and receive a printed score of EXEC_CHRONICLE_KEY
(No intl. shipping, requres you to use a proxy delivery service)
http://shop.salburg.com/product/sikata_fes_2011/


New GUST game in the works:
http://andriasang.com/comzgi/gust_teaser_images/


Upcoming releases:

Hyperdimenson Neptunia Mk. II - Feb. 24th 2012
http://www.nisamerica.com/games/neptunia2/index.php

Atelier Meruru - Spring 2012
http://nisamerica.com/games/atelier-meruru/</spoiler>

[spoiler]Istoria~Kalliope, Akiko Shikata's latest album can be found at
http://www.mediafire.com/?r4akebob8d1ju

original upload:
http://ddl.comiket.me/

[spoiler]Random Funny/Sad Fact: I managed to get myself auto-banned since I had included the direct links to Istoria at filesonic/fileserve in one of the intro posts.[/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]BARREL !</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8356929
Baaaruu~</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8356928
Hate to ask the same question twice, but it seems the LE of Istoria is out of stock.
Is there any hope of them producing any more? I'm pretty butt ranged that I missed out.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Obligatory.
[spoiler]I remember when I first posted this. I'm not even sure where I got it.[/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357052
Why do those terms sound so sexual?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357079
Why is Totori so sexual?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357089
I want to lick her thighs.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357052
I learned what a bung hole was from Beavis and Butthead. True story.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8356911
What happened to the other OC?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357175

It's still there, I just shortened the entry to reduce the text size since I had planned to put the link to Istoria there.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Still humbly requesting an EU save for Rorona that has all of the endings available. There has to be one out there somewhere. ;_;</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357235
How can you say you love her if you can't even get all the endings?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357258

I don't. I love [spoiler]Totori[/spoiler] but in order to get to her I have to play Rorona and my backlog is already huge as it is. Having a save file would save me a considerable amount of time.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Does Cross Edge count as a Gust Game?
What about Trinity Universe?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357487
yep</spoiler>

>>>/c/1790272

[spoiler]>>8357323
You can continue Totori with your Rorona save?</spoiler>

[spoiler]I wonder if this will ever make its way to us.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8359868
You can just import and scan it in the name of GUST Threads.

I'd do it, but living in poverty is the perfect excuse to not do so.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357323
but that's cheating</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8359868
The collector's Meruru isn't going to come with it?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8358878</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8359948
>>8359868
The Temptation of Totori...</spoiler>

[spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8359948
I passed up buying them when I saw them everywhere in Hong Kong, holding out for the english translation by Udon which will probably never ever happen ;_;

It is a hard path I walk</spoiler>

[spoiler]Finally got my own copy of AT1 today instead of borrowing my flatmates, completing my AT collection.

It's still in the original plastic wrap and everything.

...I kinda don't want to open it...</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8358878

No but I'm a completionist so I couldn't leave Rorona until I've gotten everything before moving on.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357487
Speaking of which, I gave up on Cross Edge because of the battle system, and on Trinity Universe past getting one ending because I didn't like how I had to wait for dungeons to drift in just to kick them out again. Also screw getting 1 million evaluation points.

On another side, I found Neptunia pretty enjoyable, even if a bit tedious at times. I only quit it after getting Platinum trophy, doing all DLC events, and bringing my party to around level 120. Then I got bored of the game only having Shiva as a viable way to level up, with very little to power up for, too, being Shiva also the hardest boss, more or less. Honestly, I think I got 100% content. Looking forward to Mk2, that I heard is a vast improvement.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8360072

Correct me if I'm wrong, but CE Meruru should come with the Meruru artbook. The one I meant is a compilation artbook, similar to the Atelier Chronicle published by Udon.</spoiler>

[spoiler]So, I'm thinking of ordering Meruru from the US in Spring. Since I would save money on shipping by ordering it together with other items, what else could I get around that time?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8362903
Neptunia 2?</spoiler>

[spoiler]Yes</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8362336
In my case, the only reason I got through Cross Edge was because of combat fast-forward and easily remembered combo sequences that would win every fight without issue.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Just got myself Totori.
>Find a barrel from Dining Room. Oh sweet, free loot!
>"DaaaaaaaRU!"
>HNNNNNNNNNNGH</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8363720
Don't look at
>>8357089</spoiler>

[spoiler]I have all the PS3 exclusive JRPGs on my external HDD. Waiting till someone jailbreaks the current OFW.

This will take some time.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Young Totori is incredibly cute, but there's just something about sensei Totori that makes her irresistible. She has this... angelic air about her.
Is this love?
[spoiler]Or am I dreaming?[/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]My order of the limited edition Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor album arrived in the mail a few days ago. I thought the design was neat so I decided to vector it.
I think it turned out rather well, considering the silkscreening process (or whatever the manufacturer used) left the design slightly less than symmetrical.

The 12 symbols in the middle (clockwise from top) are Juklizda, Clyuue, Soreile, Listea, Shelanoir, Deijya, Lere, Saki, Salapator, Soma, Sasya, and Hymmnosphere. They correspond to the calendar months.

Also, something I noticed while vectoring (AT3 spoilers): [spoiler]You are now aware the design represents the XP Shell being shot into the Planetary Core, surrounded by the Wills of Ar Ciel.[/spoiler] At least that's what it looks like to me.

Included in the archive below is the ACAD vector (PNG + SVG) and a scan of the CD (sorry about the dust).
http://www.mediafire.com/?sqf6hdh5io3u114</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8364702
[spoiler]Considering the lyrics of the first track, I think it's more likely that it represents the Genesis of Ar Ciel[/spoiler]

Awesome work with the vector. I think it's always astonishing just how much detail is used for pretty much everything that has to do with AT lore, even if it's "only" some additional music and stories that's meant as addition to AT3.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Totori has nice thighs.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8364702

What's up with the one bigger star connected to the center of the planet? Is that the New Year or something?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8365976
Probably the whole 5 minutes to midnight thing eg. Watchmen.</spoiler>

[spoiler]So I'm playing Rorona for the first time almost done with my first year and I've noticed my reputation going down from 28% to 20% even though I've done nothing wrong. I've had no late items and practically every bonus... Is it supposed to be going backwards? I was sure I started at 0%.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366447
There's a few requests that pull down your rep because they make you get piss easy items with massive reward money.

They're also linked to a certain character's ending.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366447
Was there a scene in the castle with suits heckling Rorona for being overpaid?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366456
I haven't really been paying attention to the reward because I have too much money already anyways. I remember the cutscene about those easy quest, but should I care? This town sounds like a bunch of jealous babbys.

Should I go for the [spoiler] childhood friend end [/spoiler] ? Or should I do it proper, I guess?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366503
Yeah, I guess that makes sense, but I just wasn't paying attention.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366511
Depends on what kind of ending you want. If you're going for canon, I'd suggest Astrid's ending, but it's tough without a guide.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366521
Damn, well I don't want to spoil it, but I don't want a bad end either.

Should I try and keep my rep high? Or should I take all the easy quests if the person giving them has a good end too?</spoiler>

[spoiler]You get some bonus scenes if Rorona supports Cory's interest in Gio by taking them out together a lot ... but you want to level Cory hard if you intend to use that party, because it leaves Rorona as your healer.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366548
Astrid's and the true end require a high rep, somewhere around 90% and friendship level with everyone.

I suppose you can do those easy quests if you can spare the time to bring your reputation back up for quick cash, but you said you don't need money anyways.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366548
The only real "bad end" is to fail a Minister's Request.
Being unpopular will get you exiled, but the townsfolk are bastards anyway, so do you care?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366578
But do I not see [spoiler] Cory [/spoiler] again if I get exiled?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366639
You can travel with Lio instead.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8366639
I never actually tried maxing out Lady Cory while ignoring EsteeD, but I think exile partner options are Tant, Lion-chan, Hom, or Astrid - and being exiled with Astrid is the fate of those Roronae who fail a Minister's Request.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8364804
[spoiler]That makes much more sense.[/spoiler]

The level of detail is one of the main reasons I'm enamored with this series. The amount of effort these people put forth is impressive.</spoiler>

[spoiler]I already have Rorona on my PS3's hard drive right now, but I haven't played it yet. Does this thing have any kind of New Game+ or should I save everywhere just to get other endings?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8363469
I'm probably getting Neptunia 2 much earlier than Meruru. Oh well, I'll just be patient and see.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Is Gust still selling that Mir dakimakura? I can't navigate their site</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8368879
What I wouldn't give for it.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8368564
Rorona's NG+ is that you keep your earned GP.
This allows you to fulfill quests by buying goods from shopkeepers instead of making them, which does make the main game easier, but isn't really helpful for anything except the millionaire ending.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8369260
Well I got some money for Christmas so I was thinking of buying it, but I forgot to bookmark the link. Can someone re post it?</spoiler>

[spoiler]Is the AT2 retranslation project still ongoing?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8369301
Just play the damn thing as is, honestly the errors and mistakes in it weren't nearly experience-ruining enough to warrant holding out on playing it.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8369743
But I have played it, I'm just asking.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8369301
Is that the one where they insisted on calling Croix "Croah" and Cloche "Crotch" because GOTTA BE AS CLOSE TO JAPANESE SPELLING AS POSSIBLE?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8369902
Do they spell "noire" "noowar" too?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8369272
Healthy Rorona? Damn!

Thanks for the info.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8369902
>>8369944

http://ar-ciel.org/oldat2tlwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StyleGuide

The stuff they list there sounds reasonable to me. But yeah, I somehow doubt we will ever see that patch [spoiler];_;[/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]4/4

Improvements welcome. Only "natural" hair colors means the best characters can't be made. :(</spoiler>

[spoiler]What the HELL is that</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8372541
Best improvement would be not doing that at all. Seriously, the only feature these ... things ... have in common with the characters they're supposed to be is the filename and hair color, if at all.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8372541
>>8372533
>>8372522
>>8372513
NOPE
But at least you tried</spoiler>

[spoiler]Slowpoke here

Should I continue to play Atelier Totori? I've just played up to where I got my adventurer's license.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8374041
Why wouldn't you? That's where the game started to get fun for me.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8374041
What a bizarre post</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8374041
I think you should consider your reasons for playing thus far, and evaluate if reasons exist for continuing to play in that context. For example, if a crazed gunman has been forcing you to play, but is now in police custody, then there is no need to continue if you don't want to.
Perhaps it would be good to sleep on your decision.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8374041
Have you been enjoying it? If you aren't then maybe the game isn't for you. If you have then keep on playing it.
Either way I suggest playing a bit further. I thought the game was rather bland until Marc and Mimi were introduced.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Why haven't you guys watched Senki Zesshou Symphogear yet? it's about girls using songs to destroy monsters!</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8375431
It's also from the creator of Wild Arms so it's half JRPG.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8375431
I enjoyed it, although it's edging towards potentially disappointing-tier at the moment.

Not quite Gust discussion, though.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8374041
I'm not much further than you are. I just got my first license upgrade.
I'd love this game so much if it wasn't for time. I could spend months just leveling Alchemy already... and then spend a couple of years to grind Alchemy for meager amounts of money (meager since at this point there doesn't seem to be anything special to make money of, with my recipies). But the game would be like "NOPE, can't have you having fun with your shit on my watch"</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8376351
Totori has been collecting dust here after 1 playthrough for that same reason.
The lack of an endless mode after the story and the lame NG+ really pissed me off.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8375431
I hope the song will become ar Tonelico tier, but who am i kidding?</spoiler>

[spoiler]Totori a slut.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8377090
She is a good girl!</spoiler>

[spoiler]I just read the 'feelings contained in this song' for Despedia.

For some reason, it made me hard.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Why Aurica's Hymn Code is the same as Mir's?
Yes, another Slowpoke is here.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8378123
She inherited it as a descendant of a cloned derivative of Mir.

Her actually inheriting Mir's code, of all things, is a very, very, very rare occurence though.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8378228
Oh, I get it. Thanks, bro.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8378123
I can't remember exactly why, but I do know their "singing voice power level" is supposed to be identical or something. That's why they share the same voice actor.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8378228
Kinda like that. The Tower mistook her for Mir because their genes were very similar (probably because of what you said, I can't really remember the reason) and assigned her hymn code to Aurica.

So basically, Shurelia was lonely and wanted a new Mir!</spoiler>

[spoiler]What's Yokkora AT3 Fan Disc? I'm raiding the Qoga and Atelier goods on the Mediafire folder, but I don't know it.

I probably missed it in one of the threads that I avoided because I didn't have a PS3 to play Qoga and Atelier.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8381923
If you haven't played AT3, don't get it.

Once you have, go ahead and watch it BUT MAKE SURE NO ONE ELSE IS AROUND WHEN YOU DO.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8378123

The answers you have gotten so far are bullshit.

Aurica has the same hymn code by random chance. She is a third generation Reyvateil. These Reyvateils do not have a proper D-Cellophane, and as such do not get assigned hymn codes from the tower. Instead their hymn code is essentially random garbage. Normally this just means they cannot identify properly with the tower's systems - the hymn code is an especially stable static H-wave band around 116000000 Hz, and the tower authenticates singers by comparing them to their known values.

Think of it like an uninitialized pointer in C or C++. Most of the time it points to nothing useful and will just cause a segmentation violation. Aurica's, by chance, happened to point to the same place as Mir's. This is why Falss wanted her to sing EXEC_LINKER/. as it would put Mir's consciousness into her body, why she can sing EXEC_PURGER/.#Aurica extracting normally reserved for β and Origin reyvateils, and why she can sing EXEC_RE=NATION/., normally reserved for those with administrative access to the tower.

I am seriously disappoint in this thread's ability to answer basic Ar tonelico questions after this and the wrong answers about MSGYEC before.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383139
>http://artonelico.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wave_Theory&diff=5663&oldid=3911
>Bonus Explanation: The Relationship Between Aurica and Mir

>Aurica's Static H-Waves are unexpectedly similar to Mir's Spectrum Gene, even up to her High Frequency Waves. Because in the Hymn Code zone both had very similar wavelengths, Mir was able to easily open up Aurica's [Boundary Gate], and in that way, she materialized viruses using Aurica' mind as a intermediary during her visit to the Musical Corridor, and also, projected the model data of Goddess Tylia inside of her Cosmosphere. When Shurelia said that [Probably Aurica has a hole in her mind], she was referring to their similar wavelengths. This also means that Mir and Aurica don't share any kind of relationship.

Old entry from the Ar Tonelico wiki, translated and maintained by Aquagon (who, if anyone besides the devs themselves, is the one to know this stuff). So if anything, everyone was partially right, just not completely.

[spoiler]I have yet to find that part again in the updated version, it seems to have vanished. If that's the case because it was wrong, then there doesn't seem to be a translated reason at all right now...[/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8357487
No and No</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383215

I'm >>8383139 and that's basically exactly what I said; nothing you said was right. According your post:

> The Tower mistook her for Mir because their genes were very similar

Nope. The tower mistook her for Mir because their *static H-waves* were very similar, by chance.

> and assigned her hymn code to Aurica.

Nope. The tower doesn't assign hymn codes unless a D-Cellophane is involved (and really then it's the D-Cellophane's responsibility, not the tower). Her hymn code wasn't assigned; her *privileges* were assigned because of her accidental hymn code.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383139
TOLD</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383266
Look how you said the same thing though:
>[...]and as such do not get assigned hymn codes from the tower.

Also:
>http://artonelico.wikia.com/wiki/D-Cellophane
>It's because of this that it's also used for creating the Hymn Code identifier that all of the Pureblood Reyvateils have.
Yes, it is _needed_ to create a hymn code. No, it is not its only responsibility. Besides that, it also is needed to link a reyvateil to her cosmosphere and it's responsible for making her grow. See link for full explanation, etc.
Admittedly, how hymn codes are created in the end isn't clearly explained. Since it is basically a key to access tower functions (enables the reyvateil to sing extract-type songs), the tower must at least be aware of its creation. There's so much thought behind the whole Artoneli-verse, I doubt something as stupid as "yeah, well, Third Gens just get random garble from that" would sneak in.

The genes part was wrong however, yes. I'm not all that good with the whole H and D waves thing and like to mess them up, so excuse me. Just thought I read about that once.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383403
Actually, sorry, I misread that:
>These Reyvateils do not have a proper D-Cellophane, and as such do not get assigned hymn codes from the tower.

In fact, they don't have a D-Cellophane at all unless someone installs one into them. If they don't have one, it -is- a song server (read: Tower) error:
>http://artonelico.wikia.com/wiki/Reyvateil#Third_Generations
>There are some exceptions though, such as Reyvateils that have the Hymn Code of another Reyvateil because of a system error on the Song Servers, or Reyvateils that are using the β-ER technique (the D-Cellophane).</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383403
>There's so much thought behind the whole Artoneli-verse, I doubt something as stupid as "yeah, well, Third Gens just get random garble from that" would sneak in.

I don't know if you mean Tsuchiya wouldn't allow this, or the tower engineers wouldn't allow this.

The tower engineers "allowed" it because third generation reyvateils are already an unexpected result. They're the product of sexy biological processes rather than careful engineering. The engineers did put in a safeguard against the trivial exploits - the static H-waves in that band do not get passed on from parent to child nor are they identical between clones. But it is ridiculous to claim they'd be able to make a totally bug-free system on that scale, or that they'd be able to foresee all possible mutations due to a reyvateil/human offspring.

Tsuchiya wrote this because it's absolute genius as a hard sf plot device, and cements the relationship between song magic and programming. That "random garbage" is careful plotting.

> If they don't have one, it -is- a song server (read: Tower) error:

In the sense that opening a file you don't have permission to open is a OS error, yes. The tower signals the error, but it doesn't fall over because of it - the application level does, i.e. the song fails to work.

The job of the D-Cellophane is (among other things) to tell the tower "register permissions for this spectrum" i.e. "register permissions for this user."

> Besides that, [the D-Cellophane] also is needed to link a reyvateil to her cosmosphere and it's responsible for making her grow.

Not for third generations. They grow like humans do, until they fall prey to Tattoolist Syndrome and need to start taking Diquility to compensate for the lack of a Nuclear Triangular Loop.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8378681

> So basically, Shurelia was lonely and wanted a new Mir!

The tower, responsible for partitioning the space off for cosmospheres (and failing to do properly so because her Aurica's UUID is the same as Mir's) is a β-6D type reyvateil.

Shurelia is an Origin. Origins have special access to the tower functions due to very similar frequency spectra but notably do *not* have any access to the β-6D cosmosphere spaces, for security reasons. This is why Shurelia is not omniscient when it comes to Mir's actions. There's no way she could've influenced the third generation cosmosphere allocation patterns to cause the collision.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383660
That was a joke to begin with, silly.

>>8383550
>setting stuff
True enough, I didn't think that far just now. Considering the Origins couldn't even reproduce [spoiler]until creepy Tyria modifications[/spoiler], it -is- unlikely the engineers would think of something like that.

>premissions stuff
True true, but that's not the point. The problem is that the tower assumes that something does have those privileges, _while there is actually nothing on the reyvateil that tells the tower it should have them_. Granted that won't make the whole system collapse.
...actually I think we're kinda talking about different things now, I just can't exactly pinpoint where it started.

>growth stuff
I was listing those purely to show that hymn code generation isn't the sole reason for the D-Cellophane. I should've specified that this is only true for Purebloods (and β-types in particular).

...I'm starting to think you're actually Aquagon and you're just trying to troll me. Which'd be a shame, because I have huge respect for that guy for making all this understandable for us non-Moon readers/speakers.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383780

> The problem is that the tower assumes that something does have those privileges, _while there is actually nothing on the reyvateil that tells the tower it should have them_

This is the difference between the D-Cellophane and the hymn code.

The D-Cellophane for a β-type is cloned from the β-6D or another β type. This cloning process also sets up the permissions (which are actually pretty trivial - I assume all β-types start with the same default permissions, which the administrator can then change).

The hymn code is just a number.

The D-Cellophane cloning/activation process is responsible for setting up the entry in /etc/passwd, if you will, and it sets the username/password for that user to the hymn code.

The permissions are seeded with the Origin, i.e. root. In Unix you check this by checking for uid = 0. On a SH server you'd check for the hymn code of the reyvateil is the same as the hymn code of the SH server itself (which is a β-6D). Or maybe the β-6D SH checks with the Origin's SH, as the Origin's SH are part of the HD-Cellophane which cannot be modified.

Either way there's a reasonably secure authentication path - you either need to fake the static H-waves of the requesting reyvateil (physically very difficult, but happened to Aurica by chance), or you'd need to hijack the connection between the β-6D SH and the Origin SH, which is kind of like what Infel Phira did (although it didn't have a real β-6D but just a construction from EXEC_VISIONDANCE=SOCKET/.).</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383865

Oh god my New Years resolution was to spend less time arguing with people who were wrong about programming, so now I'm arguing with people who are wrong about fake programming.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383865
Thanks for making me realize I never read the History of Metafalss entry, didn't even notice that until you mentioned EXEC_VISIONDANCE=SOCKET/. in that last sentence. Yay, something to do at work tomorrow~

Besides that, that explanation does make a lot sense. Why I didn't look at it from that direction is beyond me, considering I have to work with that stuff from time to time. Thanks for that~

...but seriously, are you Aquagon? I haven't seen anyone else with that much understanding of the whole system and the thought that there'd actually be another one like that is kinda scaring me...

>aderaca Richard
No captcha, not Richard, silly!</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383889
I gave up on new year resolutions a long time ago. Saves you the bad conscience when you break them after a week every time!</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383889
>I'm elitist as fuck
oh ok</spoiler>

I'm just passing through.

[spoiler]>>8386352

Like your boyfriend did?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8387253
Ouch! Touché ;_;</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8382179

>Once you have, go ahead and watch it BUT MAKE SURE NO ONE ELSE IS AROUND WHEN YOU DO.

Or you could just live the dream.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>"Ta~ru~" Edition
Well shit, time to go play Atelier Annie again.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8356896
wtf is wrong with her toes ????
Someone explain me</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8388929
Feels goodman</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8388893
I'm pretty jealous.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8388958
You know what else feels good ?
My dick in your anus.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8388991
Holy shit, I'm jealous as fuck</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8388893
That's one big Finnel right there.
[spoiler]So big no even 1080p output is enough, so why bother with huge TVs?[\spoiler][/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8389145
Projectors, even.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8388893
But I'm already doing that.
[spoiler]It's really nice for PS3 / PC games, PS2 gives you eye cancer though. (I'm currently playing Mana Khemia on a similar setup)[/spoiler]

>>8389145
These Projectors are designed for 720 / 1080 resolutions. You're probably confusing them with 4k projectors (or whatever they are called), which are used in movie theaters.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8389207
You are misunderstanding, he is saying that 1920x1080 resolution is too low for such a high screen size, which it is considering I have had it on my monitor for ages now. Honestly I'd be more worried about the quality of the VN graphics at that point though.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8389272
You probably sit a lot closer to your monitor.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8389272

You have to consider that a pixel projected on a setup as shown in that image is a lot bigger compared to those of your monitor. Also,
you're sitting away *at least* 4-5m from a canvas of that size. As long as you're keeping that min. distance, you won't be seeing any pixels or the likes.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8387746

I felt so bad typing that, but I just couldn't resist.

And why did he delete his post?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383235
Please go shit up another board. Your own regular board doesn't even fucking like you.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8390474

A) Answering someone's question is shitposting?

B) Get your tripfag drama out of here.</spoiler>

[spoiler]I recently replayed and marathon all 3 ATs, man, I cried so fucking much. Why is hymmnos such a blessing?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8390474
U FRUSTRATED U FRUSTRATED BRO U SO MAD WHY ARE YOU SO MAAAAD Y SO MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD</spoiler>

[spoiler]So Ar Tonelico 2 was my first AT game, not sure where to go from here. I did cloche's route on AT2 and wanted to do Jacqli's but the combat was so repetitive at that time I didn't want to be unable to Ctrl through everthing. Where should I go from here? I want to play Atlier Tetori but I currently do not have a PS3 (looking into buying one for the rest of the series + AT3). I also have not played AT1</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393555
Mana khemia and Atelier Annie on a DS emulator</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8383235</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393571
I have a DS and an acekard, thanks I'll look into them.</spoiler>

[spoiler]So does everyone else sing along to "Let's Go By My Pace" every time it plays, or are my sister and I just weird?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393606
Do you always carry these around to astroturf?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393838
We all sing along to everything. That's the magic of the GUST series music</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393838
I do, I I've actually been humming to a lot of songs from AT2 OST today while on skype.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393838

Obligatory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsL7YGC3mpQ</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393932
Obligatory response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99zOfEA8C4Y</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393986

WHAT</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393986</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393932

20' long, fuck yeah!</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393932
Oh my</spoiler>

[spoiler]A friendly reminder for you disgusting and vile worms to praise your kind, benevolent, beautiful Lady Harvestasha and the wonderful paradise she has painstakingly created for the worthy and clean, Clustania.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8397292
There will never be a Harvestasha 7</spoiler>

[spoiler]http://andriasang.com/comzmq/gust_new_game_site/
Holy shit</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8397681
It's a shame that it's most likely a Vita title, I won't have one for a long time.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Aah~... So I finally got around to get the last ending in Rorona, and then started Totori. Was making money using the spring cups, when that freeze glitch happened when you use a spring cup. Had to hold the power button to turn off the system, and it ended up breaking my ps3's blu-ray drive.... Why did you have to break my ps3, Totori D:</spoiler>

[spoiler]So, just curious; do all of you play this on the PS3? I'd like to join the fun, but I don't own any consoles. Is there a working torrent/emulator around, or should I not bother looking around?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8398206
How the fuck does that break your blu-ray drive?
I could see how it could very, very remotely break your HD, but anything else...</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8398252
Well put it this way, the ps3 is in a situation where a game stops functioning but it still has to use the blu-ray drive to use the game, I had to forcefully shut it down, fuck knows what that does to a ps3.
It's not like stuff like that hasn't happened before, almost all games NISA puts out have these annoying freeze bugs that force you to manually shut down the ps3 when they happen.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8397789
Don't....don't say it. I still have hope of it being a PS3 title. [spoiler]As the saying goes, hope dies last...[/spoiler]

>>8398206
My condolences.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8398225
You shouldn't bother looking around, at least until the next seven years when a PS3 emulator appears.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8397681
Ohh, mysterious...
I'll play it eight or ten years from now, I guess.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8398461
That's what I read on Kotaku, but there's nothing confirmed. I'm also hoping for a PS3 release.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8397789

I really hope not. All this hype and all these games being made for the Vita launch and the thing sells worse than the DS from what I've heard. They're better just sticking to the PS3, in my opinion.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Hmm...</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8398706
Don't do it!</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8398706

No.. NO.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8397292
Time to listen to "Afezeria HARVESTASYA" I guess!</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8398687
I don't really understand why the Vita had such low sales, might have been that rumor about the a huge percentage of defective units.
I s地llgot my Vita preordered。</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8401869
Vita has nogames etc.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Eh, I preordered a Vita, which I'll probably regret at some point, but whatever. I'm still not sure if I should use my main European account (where I have trophies and a lot more stuff in general) or my secondary NA account (where I have access to the NA store, that has much better videogames). Fuck you Sony, it's like you don't want our money by region locking stuff and forcing us into one account like that. Do you seriously think people in the same family will buy two consoles just to have different accounts? They'll pool up and you should know it. Heck, my friends already only use one account on PS3.</spoiler>

[spoiler]FYI: NISA's Neptune Mk.II has been updated with game / character info and such.

http://www.nisamerica.com/games/neptunia2/index.php</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8403267
I'd go for trophies, so keep the EU account even though it sucks.
And I doubt I'll regret buying a Vita, since I fucking loved my PSP.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8404161
Eh, I'll probably do that since it's the one that I actually use. I'll miss all those PSX classics and PSP games but I guess I can still use my PSP for that. It's just that I like all my shit together.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8393932
Cocona with her hair down is lovely.</spoiler>

[spoiler]May.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8407451
In case anyone was wondering what that meant:

Meruru release in may.

http://www.nisamerica.com/index.php?nav=n&article=pbomb/PrinnyBomb_Vol199.html</spoiler>

[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkVns3XG9Ic

So which male character is the most fabulous?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8408338
NO THANK YOU
Actually, no, what the hell Gust?</spoiler>

>>8408338
Johann is my future husband.

[spoiler]>>8407488
So I went to the site, to the "Characters" section, and listened to the voice samples.

Why are they both played by the same person?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8408338
Bwuh~?
Excuse me, what? Does Atelier series have lots of girls as a playerbase or something? ... or has GUST realized that everyone wants to be a little girl?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8409642 Does Atelier series have lots of girls as a playerbase or something?
Why is it so surprising?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8408338
Good thing I don't own a PSP. I'd end up buying the game and enjoy choosing a husbando. Stupid sexy Mel Kishida art. Pic related.

[spoiler]I'd go for Erhard. Dat smirk[/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8408363
>>8409642

It's a combined project with Idea Factory. Idea Factory has an established female fanbase due to Hakuouki, and I'm sure that's the market they're trying to appease with this game. Why they slapped the Atelier name on it, who knows.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8408338
Is this a joke? I didn't see any men in the trailer. Those girls were pretty cute, though.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8408338
Delicious Shimotsuki. Now I'll have to give another listen to Hartes ciel, Melenas walasye.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8410384
Eh? Why?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8410384
>Shimotsuki
Oh shit. I knew I recognized the singer, but I just couldn't put my finger on it at the time.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8407451
>>8407488
I am disappointed these news weren't met with the proper excitement they should have received.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8411608
Why would I feel excited it's so far away? I'd be excited if it were a February release or something.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8408338

Oh man, 1:06. Day 1 buy for me if there's really a [spoiler]Hagel path. Oh god my husbando will make me so many dresses[/spoiler].</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8408338
Why does the girl look exactly like Rorona?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8412480
Idea Fuck at its finest, that's why.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8411608
Well, we already knew it was spring. Now it's just a one month window instead of three.

In other news, I'm finally getting around to finishing MK after neglecting it for a couple of months. I forgot how much of a pain crafting can be. I go to Athanor, look at everything I want to craft, make a mental checklist of the materials I need, and forget half of them by the time I get back to the Workshop. I can't take it easy like this.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8411608
The excitement will probably come with the preorder being available.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Just got back from playing AT3 for the first time. Finnel was a great heroine and the music was good but am I crazy that I think AT2 is the better game music wise ? The music in AT3 is great, EXEC_FLIP_ARPHRGE and EXEC_COSMOFLIPS are some of the best in the series, but AT2 had the better songs on a consistent basis. AT3 was too varied whereas AT2 had a particular quality about it that was consistent throughout the game, I am not someone knowledgeable in music so I can't place why.

I am amazed at how good the music is in this series, I didn't think games could have music this good without being an AAA title. Before Ar Tonelico I didn't think JRPGs could be good in any capacity but goddamn these games are some of the best I have ever played when I consider the setting and the music. This isn't me bitching, it is a declaration of love.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8416058

AT3 has the best soundtrack overall imo, but unfortunately a lot of the best songs are only used for a short period in the game itself. As with most of the AT series, the actual meaning and purpose behind a lot of the songs is also impenetrable unless you examine the canon outside of the game. They just didn't leverage the soundtrack as well as they could have, honestly.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8416467

wat</spoiler>

[spoiler]Funnel a shit</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8416058
Nah, every AT has its own charm and atmosphere, I like them all equally.
I'm not exaggerating when I say that the AT series changed my life for good, I'm thankful for being able to experience such an emotional ride.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8356949
Kinda late reply, but Rakuten and Melonbooks still have the LE of Istoria. Gotta use a proxy service for those two stores as well, though.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Some Anons should make some AT/Atelier banners since new ones are being accepted.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8418140
I submitted this one. Not the best of works, but eh.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8418984
>Not AT
Why</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8419079
because AT is bad and you should feel bad.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8419093
Get out and never come back</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8419106
Trolled to the Blast Line</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8418984

>Totori a slut

Fuck you.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Did Totori sell really well or something? Why else are we getting Meruru so quickly?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8419739

Maybe they decided that 15 goddamned months between the JP and NA releases was a little much?

Not that 11 months is very good either, by today's standards, but GUST and NISA are pretty small shops so I suppose they should be cut some slack vs. the likes of Squeenix.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8419739

People bitching about their speed combined with it looking better for their profits if they release more games within the same fiscal year. Whether or not the translation quality suffers because of the increase of speed is a different matter entirely though..</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8397292

It appears she's cleaning up Arland too.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Luca is a slut.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8423803

No, she's a [spoiler]whore[spoiler].[/spoiler][/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8423803
obligatory response she isn't
[spoiler]I lost the copypasta[/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8423803
I'm sorry, but has Luca even engaged in sexual intercourse? Oh, that’s right. She hasn't even made contact with a man outside of dive therapy. In fact, it’s only therapy involving fields for soothing. Does not having a cliche tsundere personality make you a slut? Is that what you’re saying? Because if you’re saying that I can assure you that you’re wrong. Why would you make this topic when the game is already finished and we know for certain she is pure? Luca is a holy maiden now and she was been the purest maiden in Metafalss? Luca has to go up against one of the sluttiest reyvateils in Ar Ciel who just happened to have a lead because she was praying on Croix's innocence. But you know what? Cloche is still a whore. Luca is the best heroine in all three games, she has the best songs. Luca has already won Croix over, she would have done it sooner if it wasn't for her tragedy with her sister throwing her for a mental loop. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when Luca is proven a better waifu than any other in AT2. Cloche tries to latch on to anyone who would have shown her a different and free life. Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I’m fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you’re the only guy making all these anti-Luca topics because you’re a faggot hater who doesn’t like a heroine because they’re canonically pure. Fuck you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fucking idiots on the board, like I give a fuck. It’s so easy to spot out your threads now, you’re a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don’t you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That’s just you, you’re always right at getting it wrong. Fuck you. You are nothing.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8424069
Now that I've actually fully read it for the first time in the year I've been following these threads, I do have to wonder:

Is there a record of the history of this pasta? Was it once a real reply someone wrote in response to Luca being badmouthed? The thoughts of a Luca follow from ancient times?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8424407
Guy who made the copypasta here, it is actually something I edited from /sp/'s infamous Chargers monday night football rage that happened in 2010. I was actually getting kinda pissed at you people because I love Luca so I just edited /sp/'s pasta into a semi-coherent Ar Tonelico rant. This was in early June of 2011. Still, I hate how people just shit on Luca because they are little pricked douchebags that hate good characters and slobber all over Tsundere #2239776.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8424467
>that hate good characters and slobber all over Tsundere #2239776.

If by that you mean Jacqli, then you can kindly go get fucked in the ass by a hippo.
[spoiler]It's ok if you meant Cloche, I didn't like her that much anyway.[/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8424467
>I hate how people just shit on Luca because they are little pricked douchebags that hate good characters and slobber all over Tsundere #2239776.

It'd help if the writers didn't favor Cloche significantly more when scripting nearly everything in the game. Cloche's worst scenes aren't nearly as jarringly out of place and out of character in comparison to Luca's.

Though if you manage to play through phase 3 and not be dead set on Jaqueli by then, you either never bothered with the Spica/weaponshop events while never diving into her, or you're fucking retarded.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8424467
It's actually an edit? Well shit on me...</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8424842
I may have edited but I was genuinely pissed off. I had the rage but I didn't have the creativity.

>>8424682
AT2's writing always felt uneven for that reason. They tried hard to strong arm you into Cloche's path but she turned into a caricature after enough scenes. Luca seemed more real, if that makes sense.

I hate how the story made it seem like Cloche was free of sin despite being the face of war crimes. Sure she felt bad about it but just because she felt bad and tried to stop it that didn't mean she didn't do wrong.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8424682
>Though if you manage to play through phase 3 and not be dead set on Jaqueli by then, you either never bothered with the Spica/weaponshop events while never diving into her, or you're fucking retarded.
Sorry, I don't care much for characters whose only appeal is forced fanservice(in the broadest meaning of the word).</spoiler>

[spoiler]Luca was the ballsiest addition to AT. Was not expecting a kind girl like her to straight up use me like that. What's sad is our relationship could have been real or maybe not at all without her missing sister causing so much hurt. This is how our happy end was reached though, so I wouldn't change a thing.

Whatever I'm all about the looks anyway. I could go for royalty but I'd prefer dainty princess, not overbearing song maiden, or spoiled virus child.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8424920
It's not her fault Nagi is a pervert.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8424682
>>8424875

I'd imagine the reason why they tried to make Cloche a little more sympathetic than Luca is that choosing Luca is choosing to go with the good guys (well, relatively speaking) while going Cloche means you work for the bad guys, so making Cloche a bit more likable evens the choice out a bit.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426222
Bad guys? Alfman was a fucking bro.</spoiler>

[spoiler]someone want to explain to me why there are 0 pictures of the best girl?</spoiler>

[spoiler]Luca is a backstabbing, lying and cheating whore.
Cloche is an annoying, whiny, uppity bitch.

Playing AT2 for the revytails would be pretty much a waste of time if not for Mir.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426697
Are you saying we should play AT2 for the story, setting, and music? That is why I played it. AT1 had great heroines and setting, AT2 had the best sound track and story, AT3 was a balance of the previous two games strong points. AT3 is my favorite of the three.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426639
There is a delicious lewd ceci doujin out there.
although I wish there was much more art, h or not, she's definitely my favorite from totori.
followed by mel, I love her panty shots in battle
why are all the non loli characters always my favorite? is something wrong with me?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426697
AT2 does have one redeeming feature, though.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426859

Let's be friends.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426859
Best girl right there.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8424875
I never believed anyone actually got angry over the "slut" thing until today.

And yes, I have been around since near the beginning.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Why is it that Croix is one of my all time favorite protagonists?
am I the only one who thinks this?
His demeanor, style, everything just really strikes a chord with me. so, is he really a good character or am I just strange by relating to him?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426934
Truth be told I don't remember much about him except he was dedicated, strong willed, dense as hell to the advances of women (and men), willing to protect, and had a clear goal in mind. He is better than Aoto, I wanted to fucking murder Lyner by the Phase 3.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426934
Not really sure about Best protaganist or anything, but at least compared to guys like Lyner, he was a lot better. The guy gets a lot respect from me, especially after Jakuri's ending.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426934
He isn't anything special, but he is good because he isn't your typical retarded hothead RPG protagonist. Thats good enough for me.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426725
>AT2 had the best sound track and story
>sound track
yes
>story
Phase 2 would like to have a word with you.

>>8426934
He's an underwhelming self insert protag. He is pretty much Kyon from the haruhi franchise, only without even a shred of personality outside of the deeper cosmosphere levels and the ANATA-TACHI WO MAMORU.

And while everybody hates Ryner for being dense as shit, not once did he manage to make my blood pressure soar the way Croix did when he nearly drove the weaponsmith to committing suicide by being so fucking dense. It's the only scene I remember where Luca actually does something to redeem her character.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426973
>not once did he manage to make my blood pressure soar the way Croix did
Sending Misha back to the Chronicle Key and not even considering her feelings once almost made make a hole in my wall. This series doesn't have good protagonists at all but at least Aoto was the least offensive.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Why is 3 so shity?

I loved the first 2 games but 3rd one was absolutely terrible in both gameplay and level design. They should have used higher res 2d or 2.5d like AT2, japan can't into making fun games. After playing other rpgs like skyrim not even the story can make up for its shittiness</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426998
If only Gust had a quarter of Bethesda's budget.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426992
THAT FUCKING FAGGOT how dare he do that? I mean, leaving Misha without any regret? Why?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426998 rpgs like skyrim</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426998
>skyrim
Stopped reading there.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Gotta hope that one day GUST will hop aboard the HD Remake bus and fix up Ar Tonelico 1 and 2.

[spoiler]Until NISA gets their hands on it[/spoiler]</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426998

Whenever I think of AT1: Shit battles. Need to keep ATK low, so you get your levels up in battle. Otherwise you don't get all the items. Balancing shit. Best customization of all AT, but that didn't do much thanks to the battles being bad. I don't want to come back.

AT2: Shit battles because shitty forced timings. You miss, you get damage. Otherwise no damage at all. Only challenge were the framerate issues later in the game. Customization meh. I don't want to come back.

AT3: No annoying things. If you miss the timings, no problem. Probably the best timing integration into battles I've ever seen. Basically no customization. Crap balancing until last phase. There you could get suddenly killed. By random encounters. Great, was fitting, given the story. Bosses there are usually more units then (because that's what makes real time battles challenging) and a simple 100k song magic won't finish the battle. (In AT1 or 2 it would've been overkill) Not even a 200k will. Or 300k. Sadly the ultra-skills of characters are a bit too strong.

AT3 is the winner. I can see myself coming back. Heck, it even doesn't do too bad compared to Star Ocean 4's battle-system. Although that's because tri-ace fucked up.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426998
>skyrim
Wha-? Oh, that thing that shouldn't even be out of the testing phases yet? Yeah, I can see why you don't like playing games anymore. It was pretty off-putting just to watch someone else play it.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8427524
>playing AT for the combat systems</spoiler>

[spoiler]Hello!</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426639
Sexy has the problem of being DLC.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8427579

Not only of course. But even if you don't play something for "gameplay", there's still a lot of it. It should be at least not annoying. AT1+2 however can be. (AT2 would be even more annoying, if it hadn't been that easy. Thanks to that you could defeat the enemy before they acted and thus get your S-Rank easily)
Although I guess if you really don't give a shit, you could just ignore ranks and items altogether. I can't.

Gust created some damn awesome battle-systems though. (MK having probably their best)
AT3 was a step in the right direction. Next time, more customization, more skills and some changes so you can actually watch the battle field or flipsphere animations, instead of only the rhythm-section, would be nice. Funny how I basically watched the flipspheres I unlocked for the first time after beating the game. Before that I was always busy hitting buttons.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8427579
I dunno man, they were something DIFFERENT and with an awesome concept, and that was enough for me.
>>8426992
Fuck the entire world over Misha, right? At least her used his head right there and swore to be with her.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Putting the Luca hatespammer aside, what's your favorite Flipsphere from AT3? Mine has to be Finnel's.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426998
>You will never play an Ar Tonelico game with even half the resources Bethesda has to play with when making an Elder Scrolls game.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8428055
Who are you quoting?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8428057
Gust</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8428055
And they still end up with a turd.
Bethesda is truly a waste of natural resources.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8428064
Diminishing returns or something.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8427618
I didn't do a damn thing in battles while playing AT3 except hit square at the appropriate times to purge, I saw plenty of heroines flipshpere animations for battles in which I didn't even need to do the rythem game. Right now I can do Finnel's without looking at the screen I am so used to its rhythm.

>>8427934
Soma's, Finnel's, and Suzunomiya's
Even when I played Saki's route I never bothered to use Saki.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8427934
Ar_Ru has the best everything, so traditionally, Ar_Ru.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8426880
>>8426875
>>8426859</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8428178
Is it dark and edgy like your soul?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8427934
Ar_Ru has an awesome flipsphere</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8428147
>Not getting AT3 platinum
Pathetic</spoiler>

[spoiler]ﾁﾗｯ</spoiler>

[spoiler]The conditions for the true endings in the Atelier series is such bullshit.

It should be enough to get the top rank and/or explore the hidden area with the top boss.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Ah Luca...

The game made you choose between her and Cloche just after she'd acted like a complete and utter bitch.

"This is the only time I'll ever put anything in you"

ZING</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429093
Yeah, that was pretty fucking unfair, she had just found out her sister "died" and went bananas, you can't really blame her. She still used the fuck out of Croix, but who wouldn't when your sister's life is at stake.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429131
Her IPD sister who everybody thought would be a berserk killer.</spoiler>

[spoiler]I stopped playing AT3 towards the end.

Fuck the Executive district! You had to go up and down there a dozen times and I got lots almost every time because it's a fucking maze. I finally quit when it forced you to do that divesphere and you got sent to the start of it if you made one bad decision.

Fuck that padding BS</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429168
I would tell you how fucking stupid you were for doing that, but right now I just pity for not seeing the awesome true ending.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429251

I know I was probably close to the end but by that point, I'd stopped really caring about the characters or the story. They'd literally had zero character growth in 10+ hours of gameplay and they'd run out of plot so kept putting in bullshit padding and backtracking.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429305
I'm not the one who didn't get to experience Ec Tisia, your loss man.
Also, there's a reason why all ATs let you deplete the encounters</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429369

Depleting the encounters is all well and good until you get "go to xyz through the excutive district" *2 minute cutscene* "now go to abc through the executive district" .</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429428
Yeah, shit's annoying as fuck until you know the routes between the three exits of interest (entrance, Harvestasha's room, Rinkernator) by heart after going through the place 10 times across three playthroughs.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429445

I've a horrible sense of direction, almost every time I did it I depleted the encounter gauge. After getting through the bad ending and most of the way through the true end, I just lost the will to play the game.

Didn't help that there was no way to win the battles quickly, you pretty much had to use high level song magic every time, even after lots of grinding.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429467
>I've a horrible sense of direction

4chan isn't a place for the underage, Shurelia.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429467
Set the thing on Easy, the vanguards will do the job with a few hits. Unless you haven't "grathmelded" powerful enough weapons.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429481
I lol`d.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429153
To be fair, what did Croix do when Cocona went berserk?
And his job is capturing said IPDs.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>Fuck the Executive district! You had to go up and down there a dozen tim

Executive district was a disgrace. The developers ran out of money and decided to recycle a stage 11 times to tie all their cut scenes together.

It was easy to climb, but it was monotonous and I would quit playing for like a week whenever the story asked me to go back there for another fucking cut scene.

The characters and music were fantastic but the pacing and "dungeons" of AT3 were pure shit in the later half. It was more or less a visual novel tied together by excursions into the executive district.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429520

I really don't get the thinking behind it. In testing, did no one point out that it was unbearably tedious going back and forth there? It would've been better to cut 5-10 hours out of the game and make you only go up there once or twice.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429520
You say that as if it wasn't the same case on AT1 with those goddamn mazes in the Tower. I still wouldn't mind on both since I'm not a whining fag with 0 patience.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>In testing, did no one point out that it was unbearably tedious going back and forth there?

The Japanese retail version was an unfinished test build, complete with a fucking debug menu. That should give you an idea how rushed this game was.

At least the north American version only had a few bugs.

>Saving game... Do not shut off console.
>Save complete
>Saving game... Do not shut off console.
>Save complete</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429710

Not sure that was a bug as such. They probably just thought they should save game settings alongside games saves.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429710
Ehh? That wasn't a bug, it just a system data separate from the game data.
Tyria's binary field fucked up voices, now that was an issue. I had to play that part in goddamn english.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429519
Exactly, the problem is people never seem to get past or understand the fact she just had a breakdown after finding out all her efforts were wasted, and that her sister at that point probably really was gone forever</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429093

Well, as stated earlier, since as far as you know at the time Grand Bell are the bad guys and the Sacred Army are the good guys, so they stack the Luca vs. Cloche deck to make the choice a little more even.</spoiler>

[spoiler]Also, since we're approaching 300, just to confirm- is the new bump limit 500 like what I've heard?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8430222
Yepperoni</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8430222
Bump limit is 500... in /a/. I don't think that applies to any other board.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8430323
Ehhhh</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8430323
It's 500 on /v/ too (or so I read) ... but yeah, no idea what it's like here.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429082
Oh dear god Totori gets to keep Chims?
I thought I couldn't HNNNGH any more than what I did at "DaaaRU!"
And then I got Chim. And Chimyu. And Chimyumyu. And Chimyumyumyu. And Chimyumimyu.

Why is there no youtube of talking to Chim for 10 minutes? Those things have like a hundred sound files, all of which are too adoreable.</spoiler>

[spoiler]And on a completely unrelated note ... hhhhhnnnnnnnnngggg.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8430423
Oh god</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8429776
>>8429756
Yeah, Rorona never automatically saved the system data, which is what kept track of unlocked CGs, resulting in a tragically empty gallery at the end of the game if you didn't save it manually. This, I assume, was their solution to that.</spoiler>

Bampu pantsu.­­­

[spoiler]Bampu pantsu.­­­</spoiler>

[spoiler]So it only took 274 fucking euros to buy a new ps3 after Totori broke it to finally finish Atelier Totori. Nice game, but no Ar tonelico...
Also... is it me or does that true ending just feel... cheap?
It completely wastes all the emotions and bonding to the character the entire game achieved.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8431642
totori breaks ps3s?</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8431796

It broke mine >>8398206</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8431642
But it only broke the BD unit, why buy a whole new PS3? I mean, that same thing happened to me (BD laser circuit fried for some reason), got it fixed for $40.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8430737

What was the fix for that? Changing your options each time you obtain a new CG and then saving or something?</spoiler>

[spoiler]Also it seems the bump limit change hasn't hit /jp/ yet, just a heads up for the OP.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8432065
Yeah, changing any setting that forces a system save (such as volume) each time you get a new image. I just made a habit of doing it every time I saved, image or not.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8430423
My god. Where is this from?</spoiler>

[spoiler]I didn't get that far in AT3 to be able to tell what pain this district is, but I completed Neptunia twice, doing all dungeons the second time to get the platinum trophy (I had lost some stocks here and there). In all honesty, I can't imagine it being worse than that. Well, atleast Nep-Nep could oneshot almost all enemies and always acted first wielding the Kiryu sword, but still.</spoiler>

[spoiler]>>8432076

Time to set up a new thread, then. Please stand by~</spoiler>

[spoiler]New thread
>>8433068</spoiler>