/jp/ - Otaku Culture

shit is hard

Large Ring "Hello Forgotten World" : 459/562
Umbrella Sign "Parasol Star Memories" : 236/495
Umbrella "Super-Water Repelling Bone-Dry Monster" : 118/439
Monster Train "Spare Umbrella Express Night Carnival" : 63/410
Some things never get easy.

Dying ain't fun.

Large Ring "Hello Forgotten World" : 459/562
Umbrella Sign "Parasol Star Memories" : 236/495
Umbrella "Super-Water Repelling Bone-Dry Monster" : 118/439
Monster Train "Spare Umbrella Express Night Carnival" : 63/410
Some things never get easy, but that's why I like it.

>>8362030
>2012
>Still talking about Touhou gameplay
>Still can't figure out who i am quoting

I seriously hope you don't do this

>>8362145
Danmaku is harmless.

There are like, so many bullets

Some things never get easy, but that's why I like it.

Keep dying stupidly and wasting lots of bombs.
Recently found out that my keyboard can't handle w or s, a or d, j (shift), k (fire), and l (bomb) all at the same time. It ignores bomb even though I press it and I die. Tried changing it to spacebar, but I failed even harder so I changed it back. I really should change my key settings; but whatever.
Also, I do even worse using arrow keys, shift, z, and x; I already tried.
Another also. Still failing lots on Hard and nearly 1cc'ing Normal.

>>8362229
Maybe you should consider getting a PS/2 keyboard. Changing the key mapping can help, but you will still have rollover.

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=NKey+Rollover+-+Overview+Testing+Methodology+and+Results

>ITT: Touhoufags who can't even play touhou bullet hell shmups.

>>8362257
Unfortunately, the computer (laptop) I have doesn't have a ps/2 port.
All it has are USB ports.
It was a gift, and I'm poor, so I'm not going to complain about that.
Though I am going to complain about the fan, I broke the laptop's keyboard trying to clean it.
Also, after playing with that key testing thingy, I'm going to be setting shift, shoot, and bomb to Num 1 2 3. Hopefully it works properly.

>>8362319
Are you are using your laptop's keyboard? A regular USB keyboard should be fine, but a laptop keyboard won't work for Touhou.

>>8362328
Depends on the laptop.

>>8362328
No, I tried cleaning the computer's fan (whoever or whomever, I don't know; designed this computer should be tortured and beheaded after begging for death) and something happened and the keyboard wouldn't work anymore. So the first thing I did the next day was go get a usb keyboard.

>>8362263
While it's true that most of /jp/ isn't that good, we do have some of the very best western Touhou players.

At the start of my IN run I aced the first three stages perfectly getting all the extra cards. Then I managed to fuck up the mook fairies and Tewi at the start of stage 5 and ended up dying to Eirin ;_;

The dream of a 1cc is still far off. Is Kaguya any easier than Eirin?

>>8362819
>we do have one of the very best western Touhou players.
Fixed that for you.

>>>/v/

>>8362819
Most of /jp/ doesn't play that much. Touhou is a serious game, and it requires a lot of dedication.
>>8366619
I always thought that Eirin was easier than Kaguya, but that's just me. Go for both.
>>8366637
How big is the Touhou primary community in the west? There is a handful of world-class players in here, although most of them lurk and choose to stay anonymous. There aren't too many places on the internet I can think of to find more players.
>>8367625
>Touhou isn't /jp/ related hurr durr.
We have threads there all the time.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK YUUGI

I LOSE ALL MY LIVES TO HER EVEN ON EASY

I'LL NEVER GET PAST HER

>>8367625
/v/ is awful. I would never want to discuss touhou with /b/tards that play games.

Beat Suwako, so that's 3 extras now.
I don't feel like doing Yukari or Mokou cause they're just memorization and that's no fun.

>>8367695
Touhou threads on /v/ aren't even about gameplay

>>8362819
Is this the part where the cock waving faggots come in?

>>8366637
May I ask who is this person?

>>8367699
So far I've beaten Yukari, Mokou, and Nue. All 3 took about the same amount of practice to finally beat (6-8 hours), and they were fun after I got them down. Mokou had a couple spellcards that I had to experiment with 60+ times using card practice before getting them down.

Beat them all!

>>8366619
>Kaguya any easier than Eirin?
Kaguya is much more difficult.

>>8367715
I didn't even try Nue because I didn't 1cc UFO. How is she?
I might do it if she's particularly fun to beat.

>>8367699
I don't think Yukari is memo, but I would agree on Mokou. Still, both are on the easy side. You should have no problem beating either of them.
>>8367701
It's fun to watch new players on /v/ gasp at your shitty achievements. I've had some good laughs with it.
>So many boolits!
>>8367724
I think that Nue has a hard stage, but an easy boss. I like it very much, but not everyone does.

>>8367724
The stage was a kick in the dick, but it felt good to finally beat it. I chugged 2 cups of coffee and went at it for 6 hours. I made it to the last spellcard 3 times before calling it a night. The next night it took 2 more hours to warm up and beat it properly.

>>8367699

And Suwako isn't? At least Yukari and Mokou have some difficult nonspells.

>>8367764
Pretty much every Extra boss is. Suwako wins hands down when it comes to speed and pacing though. Yukari and Mokou are painfully slow.

>>8367769
Not including Mokou's non-spell at max speed. I have trouble dodging that one because It's very quick.

Are the simplest cards also the hardest cards ?
I don't know any trick to capture the last two photographs.

>>8367769
I disagree. Koishi and Flandre require next to no memorization. Koishi in particular would be my favorite EX boss if it wasn't for fucking genetics of the subconscious.

I've beaten Suwako, Mokou, Ran and Mamizou. I can't even finish SA's extra without using all of my lifes, I suck at Embodiment in general (I feel it's kinda slow) and have beaten half of Nue's spellcards.

In Yukari's case, I always die at that spellcard where she uses Ran. Someday I'll clear it, I'm sure of it.

>>8367883

Ran's not that bad. Sit in the center of the screen, move horizontally out of the way when she goes for the vertical cut. Her bouncing around the screen is in a static pattern.

I was playing UFO Extra as ReimuB just now on a random run. I didn't realize that I had the fps raised until my first death. I missed twice, on Nue's first and her third spellcard. It was a funny surprise.

>>8367784
It's easier than it looks, but it's still pretty hard. You have to condition yourself for it. I once dodged it without realizing that it was the last one. You can bomb it in a regular survival run.
>>8367801
Dodge bullets and take pictures. Also, don't let yourself get forced down. I thought it was the easiest one in that stage.
>>8367822
What's wrong with it? If you are having trouble clearing it, try switching shot-types or watching a replay.
>>8367913
Really? I thought it was aimed.

>>8367801
You really had trouble with that card?

Hilarious.

>>8367970
You mean to say you don't have any trouble with Genetics? Seems like most people hate it.

Other than that card and and the first half of Subterranean Rose Koishi is the funnest and easiest EX.

>>8368007
>You mean to say you don't have any trouble with Genetics?
I had some problems at first, but then I learned it. I can get to it with a lot of power, so it's not a big deal for me. Using MarisaB's changing shots or ReimuC's changing direction makes it laughably easy.

>>8367801
There isn't besides use defensive shots until you find an opening.

>>8368097
Yes there is. Use the dimensions of your camera and the screen, as well as trying to control where she moves to by your own placement on the screen to create a much greater chance of having an opening.

>>8368153
Her danmaku is entirely random during the last two shots. Even if you affect the direction of Komachi's movement it doesn't really make a difference.

>>8366637
I hope you're talking about Heartbeam.

>>8367709
I hope he's talking about Heartbeam.

>>8367709
I say it's that finnish guy Cactu with really sexy accent.

>>8368853
正解。

>>8368976
It has to be Riz. He whores himself out more and has an even sexier accent.

>>8368976
>>8369008
Neither of those guys stand a chance against T's glorious hair.

>>8369007
That's still neglecting players like dot_asp.

>>8369008
Who the fuck is Riz?

>>8368976
>>8369008
>>8369018
Pdee would smash them all in PoFV and the PC-98 games.

How hard is phantasm?

>>8369018
>Pdee would smash them all in PoFV and the PC-98 games.
He would play obscure, disfuntional gamesm and sit in the channel begging for a match all day.
>>8369033
Easier than most Extra stages.

>>8369033
Lots of annoying patterns and memorization. IMO Phantasm is one of the shittiest extra stages.

>>8369056
>annoying patterns
>memorization
It has some amazing patterns and next to no memorization. It's not meant to be easy, and extra stages are usually gimmicky.

>>8369056
>memorization
Required for any STG ever. It's not a bad thing.

>>8369081
>>8369073
/jp/ thought police on the case.

There was a reason I used this funny abbreviation, "IMO". If you like it, good for you. I thought it was balls.

>>8369101
If you don't like the patterns, that's fine. If you think Phantasm is shitty because of that, that's fine. Complaining about memorization is stupid, IMO.

>>8369124
It was just my feeling that I died to more shit that I couldn't have seen coming than I did on other stages. In particular, I remember being pissed off by the final part of the stage before Yukari and Yukari's final attack.

A challenger appears!

>>8369134
I guess I can't relate anymore. I can't remember the last time I saw memorization as a requirement for a clear as much as it is a requirement for scoring.

>>8369137
That spell is aahgahgkda
It's not even fair

>>8369137
80% reflowering would want a word with you.

>>8369427
I hope you're joking.

>>8369427
Comparing 80% reflowering with Scarlet Meister?
Really?
Not even flawless nirvana from IN is as hard as Scarlet Meister

I'm getting 10-20 frames per second in the opening stage on ten desires.
Anyone know what's wrong? It used to run flawlessly.

>>8369470
Running anything else? Have you tried restarting?

UFO isn't being so kind to me. I'm running into the stupidest stuff in it and it keeps ruining my runs. Strange thing is that it isn't happening to me in the other games, so I'm completely confused.

>>8369480
I only have 24 processes running and I have restarted a number of times, For some reason this problem has only been recent.

>>8369617
What exactly are you having problems with? I can make a replay if you want.
>>8369634
Are you having any hardware issues? Are you sure that your drivers are installed correctly?

>>8369648

It's just me running into bullets. Whether I run into random bullets backwards in stage two or getting hit by things I used to be able to dodge, I don't know why I'm so much worse than before considering I managed to 1cc it on Normal before. Only reason I'm doing it again is because I lost all my save data, but this is the only game where I'm actively running into stuff and I don't know what will fix that.

Daily reminder to play at least once a week to prevent skill lost.
I once went a month without playing and lost my ability to 1cc SA. Those orin spellcards are a total bitch.

SA
Is it worth doing the teleporting Reimu? I usually do the autocollect Reimu because I like easily getting points, not much experience with the other 2.

I managed to get to at least stage 4 on hard in every game (except in UFO), on lunatic on half, yet the only Touhou I 1cc'd was Touhou 2. Today I played Mystic Square and Lotus Land Story on hard, for some reason lost in both games 3 lives in a frame of 20 seconds on stage 4, I think I'm cursed or something.

>>8369673
Reimu A is the strongest of them all, but Reimu C has decent power too. You can use the gapping ability on several parts of stage 4, 5 and 6.

>>8369673
>I usually do the autocollect Reimu because I like easily getting points
If you're autocollecting instead of grazing or using the PoC, you're not getting any points. ReimuB's ability is pretty much completely useless for score.

>>8369673
Do you mean ReimuA foward focus?
Really that's the only spellcard with firepower.
I wouldn't recommend the agility type though.

>>8369673

Yes, she is. You can auto-collect in quite a few places if you can graze enough. Not only that, Reimu A does more damage than Reimu B, and Reimu B's homing is so bad I struggle to call it homing. The only downside to Reimu A is that she has the most difficult Satori fight out of all the shot types. She's worth a try, but if you really like Reimu B, then keep using her.

>>8367691
I perfect her in my sleep on hard, and I'm >>8369681, so not really good, what's your problem?

>>8369673
disregard all other opinions.

If you just want to eke out a win, pick ReimuC. Her bomb is so stupidly good. She can turn SA intro MoF.

>>8369700
*into

>>8362328
So THAT'S why I can't move to certain directions and shoot at the same time! Time to buy a USB keyboard, then.

>>8369700

I honestly wouldn't suggest Aya shot type for certain people. Her rotating shot is one of the most frustrating things ever, it's why I avoid playing IN Youmu.

http://www.livestream.com/stouhou

Streaming Touhou gameplay and taking requests. I'll be doing UFO Lunatic unless someone tells me to do something else.

>>8369711
You can lock the rotating shot with focus, but of course this ruins your ability on a lot of spellcards that require you to move, but once you get the hang of it she has decent firepower.

>>8369717

That's pretty much the reason I don't like her. She feels like a liability against Orin besides the whole super strong bombs. I've never played against her Satori fight though so I can't say, I couldn't manage to get farther than stage 3 and decided to use Reimu A for the 1cc instead.

>>8369711
why even shoot when you can blow away at least 50% of every spellcard even at 1.00 power...

>>8369729

You still have the other half to blow away, correct? Not to mention you have to face the stage portions after you use all your bombs on the bosses, and they're not particularly kind about giving you power. But that's just from how I play, where Aya shot type wouldn't be beneficial to me. I usually don't make it to Orin with max power.

>>8369759

well, I'm super shitty, but even I made it to Lunatic stage 6 with 6 lives thanks to me tactic. Then I got cocky and lost them all during Okuu, but I still got that 1cc.
I remember Banana sneering at how easy it is to beat the game with ReimuC

>>8369790

That's what people told me about MoF Normal. Then I had to bomb seven times on Kanako's last card alone. Maybe I just don't fall into this equation.

woot, gameplay? Touhou has a game?

>>8369814
This joke got old like three years ago.

>>8369805

Because the more you bomb, the harder it gets. I can capture it, but if i bomb even once, i usually end up failing later.

Its just me or Flandre is painfully easy for an extra boss?

She had like what, one spell that was mildly troublesome and thats it

>>8369835
I say she's like Air Man. When you get into the game, you think it's impossible to win, but you soon discover tricks and then it's much easier. I remember to this day how overjoyed I was to capture Maze of Love.

You people use bombs in SA? Ha!

Since I have a european keyboard I've got QWERTZ instead of QWERTY, so "Z" is where Y is, in other games I can just press Y next to x and I can reach X just fine and use bombs, however in SA I have to press Y for you guys, so only my small finger can reach either X or Shift for focussed movement, and I choose focused movement.

>>8369867
I have been through the same predicament like you until I learned2 alt-shift

>>8369867
What.
Just use a program to rebind your y key to act as z.

>>8369879
Thanks

Playing SoEW. God I just can't take the Five Magic Stones. The last one starts shooting some lasers and it's hard as hell to dodge them.

>>8369867
>You people use bombs in SA? Ha!
Well, sure. How else do you plan on breaking 4B?

So, I was trying to use the vpatch for EoSD, and I'm not sure what I screwed up, anyone willing to help?

>>8370673
I kept on getting the same error and no help.
I eventually just downloaded a prepatched version of EoSD

>>8370673
I'm not sure, but I think you can remove vpatch_alcost.dll and vpatch_th_dnh.dll because they are not for th6 anyway

REALLY WORKS! TRY IT OUT /jp/!

1. Say ur name 10x
2. Say ur mom's name 5x
3. Say ur crushes name 3x
4. then paste this to 4 other threads, if you do this your crush will kiss you on the nearest friday! But if you read this and did not paste this, then you will have very bad luck and ur dad might lose his job

>>8370673
I used to get the same error. If I remember correctly, I solved it by removing the unnecessary files, like >>8370728 says.

>>8369713
That was very fun. Thanks for watching. I'm going to go take a nap now.

>>8370833
Thanks, it worked

>>8369867
You can fucking change the keys in the fucking control setup.
FFS.
Also I'm euro too and my keyboard is qwerty but the difference is it has Ñ and a lot of different characters from merikuh's keyboard.

I hope when you guys talk about "good players" you're talking about those that play for score and not survival. Surviving in a shmup is entirely different from score running. And surviving takes hardly any skill anyway unless you're talking about the second loop of DOJ or something.

When I see people talking about 1-ALLing DDP being an accomplishment, I laugh. Any schmuck can just strategically bomb through the first loop without any problems.

>>8371389

Bombing through a game for a clear still takes a level of skill that you have to work to achieve. Clearing is easier than going for WR scores, yeah, but you still have to practice and memorize stuff even if you're using every bomb you get. Difficulty level trolls are a dime a dozen these days.

>>8371389
>And surviving takes hardly any skill anyway unless you're talking about the second loop of DOJ or something.

It takes at least some amount of skill to not die at random crap.

>>8371389
>I hope when you guys talk about "good players" you're talking about those that play for score and not survival.
Of course. Heartbeam has competed for world records in PCB, GFW, and TD. Similarly, dot_asp excels at IN, UFO, and most of the others. Together, they pretty much dominate the western scoreboards. I apologize if I poorly summarized your skills, guys. You both are great at pretty much all the games.

>>8371934
>>8371983
Stop replying. He might be an asshole, but he's not wrong. Scoring is something else entirely, and, in comparison, simple survival isn't worth discussing or defending.

What are the best places to trance in TD? Trying to raise my score but I always end up saving my trance until I get killed.

>>8372189
Everywhere. Constantly. Especially the last few stages. If you aren't constantly trancing, bombing for trance, and suiciding for bombs for trance, you aren't scoring in TD. Watch the WR replays.

>>8372146
I'm not even trying to be an asshole, I'm just laying down the truth. If somebody struggled with DDP's first loop and overcame it, good for them. They should at least try to challenge the second loop instead of just putting the game down for good after barely 1-ALLing it.

It does take a different kind of skill to strategically bomb spots that you can't do, I agree. But with level select with most shmups these days, you can just practice the stage over and over again without much penalty. You would probably be better off just practicing the stages over and over again until you can get through it without dying or bombing. Bombing only when you fuck up hard and end up getting walled in by bullets or losing track of what is going on.

>>8372146

He's right and wrong. Scoring unquestionably takes more skill, but it's untrue to say that regular clears take no skill. And I'd say regular clears are worth discussing here, since that's the level the vast majority of players here are at. There's nothing wrong with that.
The whole "you are shit if you can't even XXX" mentality is really shitty and poisonous to the STG community, and if it was actually being put forward by good players it'd be a damn shame. Fortunately it isn't!

>>8372311

I agree, but I'm not sure how you go from "you need skill and constant repetitive practice" to "any schmuck can 1-ALL DDP." You're right, there's a long way to go from a 0/0 first loop clear, and it's better to try and learn things instead of just bombing through them every time. That doesn't mean you can effortlessly get to that point to begin with.

>>8372340
>And I'd say regular clears are worth discussing here, since that's the level the vast majority of players here are at. There's nothing wrong with that.
You're right. It's just that he is trying to say that scoring is a completely different league, which it is. In comparison, clears are absolutely nothing. Compared to /jp/'s general skill level? Yes, they are worth discussing.

>>8372189

If you have a full trance bar, burn it at the next opportunity (whenever a bunch of enemies are gonna show up, basically.) You can also kill a bunch of guys and leave their spirits on the screen until they're about to disappear, and then pop your trance to get those spirits and the upcoming ones with the bonus. Also, spend all your remaining lives and bombs on the final boss (bomb until trance, die to get more bombs, repeat.)

>No practice
>No plan
>Accidentally forgot to shoot down Kogasa midboss nonspell
>No supergrazing
>Messed up UFOs, no Stage 5 cash-in
>No resources for Stage 6 cash-in
>No patience on Byakuren
>Who am I quoting?
I'll take it seriously and go for 2B or counterstop later.

I would actually go as far as to say seeing somebody on /jp/ 1-ALLing DOJ would be extremely impressive.

I haven't played much of DOJ, but most of my runs end around 1-5, probably because I'm not used to the patterns, but it does seem a lot harder than DDP as far as survival goes. But this is a touhou thread, I shouldn't really be derailing it with non-touhou shmups.

On the topic of touhou, I will never understand how people do no-focus runs. Even worse, 120FPS no-focus runs. Maybe I should grind some StB/DS before even attempting such silly challenges.

>>8372585
>But this is a touhou thread, I shouldn't really be derailing it with non-touhou shmups.
In the past, these threads weren't limited to Touhou. Sure, Touhou is what most of /jp/ played, but other shmups discussion was always welcome.

>On the topic of touhou, I will never understand how people do no-focus runs.
What do you use for game input? If not a keyboard, I can understand why you would feel that way.

>>8372497

Well yeah, logically, high scoring runs are generally dependent on the player being able to effortlessly clear the game normally. I just take issue with people who take that fact and somehow come to the conclusion that clearing should be effortless to every player. They're either forgetting how much time it took to clear stuff when they were starting out, or they're not good enough to clear things to begin with and are talking out their ass.

>>8372777
Don't worry, it's the same guy doing it every time in every thread. Don't take it personally, and don't let anybody shit on what you think is an accomplishment.

>>8372604
Personally, I switch between PS3 pad and stick quite often. Stick seems much more smooth in movements, but I'm really not used to it at all. PS3 pad seems a lot more choppy when I move around, sometimes causing me to ram into bullets, but that mainly happens only on DDP when bullets are being swarmed around me and I need to find a way out in between the maze of bullets.

A really long time ago, I used to have a Saturn pad which was pretty much my main method of control. But it long broke since then. It was a shame, because using it, I never rammed into anything at all. Everything felt very smooth with it, and it was also good for fighters. Probably the best controller I've ever used for arcade games aside from an actual arcade stick, of course.

>>8372841
For touhou use Keyboard.
For any other Shmup use an arcade Joypad, there are some cheap ones, which are still expensive but arcade stick is the best Shmup controller, except for touhou.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=17961
Another 1-miss run. I've lost count of how many I have.

/a/ fag here. Want to try Touhou. What do.

>>8376761
Admitting you're an /a/ fag makes me not want to help you out.
But it may help the boards not get shit up as much as they do by passer-bys like yourself.
http://vocaloidotaku.net/index.php?/topic/201-touhou-game-downloads/

I find it a little sad there aren't more games like Highly Responsive to Prayers.

>>8376761
http://pastebin.com/jhzeKp0s
You can start by not mentioning that you are from /a/.
>>8376814
Make one.

last page last thread oh no

Hey /jp/, what's touho?

>>8372542
Making routes one stage at a time.

Stage 3, no miss, no bomb, ~24000 point item value gained. Last nonspell not supergrazed, and last spell obviously not supergrazed either. Nothing spectacular, but good enough. Coming up with a good Stage 2 route will probably be irritating.

Who the fuck was is that said SA hard is easy compared to EoSD hard? Fuck you.

>>8381632
It's easier, just not easy.

>>8381716
Not him, but I can clear EoSD on hard. I can't even clear SA Normal.

>>8381759
you don't bomb enough.

bump

>>8381759
Maybe you should consider making use of the X button more often.

It can really be a help at parts you can't do yet! Using stage practice is nice too, but it won't build your general STG skills like full runs will. SP is good for memorizing difficult patterns, but odds are, if you're using stage practice you probably don't know how to play STGs.

>>8383840
>odds are, if you're using stage practice you probably don't know how to play STGs.
This is incrediby, vastly wrong. And I don't even use stage practice.

>>8381759
I wish to learn your secrets, I can 1cc SA on hard but I can't even get past the first couple of stages of EoSD hard without stupid deaths.

>>8383905
See?

People that actually know how to play STGs don't even need stage practice. It's just not how you play STGs. You do full runs on one credit and restart once you get a Game Over. Eventually after chipping away at the game, you'll begin to get more playtime out of each credit, and eventually 1cc the game. The only reason to use stage practice ever is to perfect score runs.

>>8384357
If you like playing through the first five stages just to practise the sixth then that's fine, but I don't.

Stage practise is convenient.

Dicking around, TD Stage 5 Hard Pacifist. Excuse to post something.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=17994

I'd love to see someone do this on Lunatic without TAS, but the end of the stage isn't very human friendly.

so if it were my first time playing touhou, perfect cherry blossom, would it be worth it to practice for hours to do the first runthrough on lunatic? would practicing on other difficulties but lunatic be worth it?

>>8384756
It depends on your prior experience and what your end goal is. If you've played lots of other shmups and just want to get a PCB Lunatic 1cc under your belt, you can probably practice just that and be content. If you're just starting out, I would recommend just starting with Easy or Normal and working your way up.

There is nothing wrong with the easier difficulties. It's not like you're playing for status. You're playing for fun. I can 1cc PCB Lunatic with full lives in stock at the end without breaking a sweat, but I still spend most of my time in PCB on Normal and Phantasm.

>>8384756
Going straight to lunatic is going to be a huge waste of time unless you already have a lot of experience with STGs.

I can play these games with a joystick right?

>>8384849
If you want to, but why would you want to.

>>8384882

Because playing shmups with a joystick is awesome.

>You do full runs on one credit and restart once you get a Game Over.
I don't have any statistical backups, only from rumors, but I thought players in Japan credit feed to see later stages and practices.

>>8384357

Apparently the western WR holder for DDP doesn't actually know how to play STGs then!
http://www.mediafire.com/?uyp9acn4893vxc0

Lol at "using stage practice means you don't know how to play". Training modes in console ports and savestates in MAME are absolutely huge shortcuts when learning a game. You think the world's greatest players would ignore speedlearning if it were an option? They're forced to play full runs because that's all the PCBs offer (for the most part).

And guess what, they credit feed whenever they can in order to practice later stages or try out new strategies.

1cc'd EOSD Hard with 2 lives remaining.
Trying for Lunatic later.

>>8370054
>Can't do 5 magic stones
I'm horrible at touhou, and I can beat this.
You suck.

This isn't the exact right place to ask.. but close enough I guess.

Is there a horizontal scrolling Touhou? I've searched around but I've never found a fangame or anything made like that.

>>8386444
There is Scarlet Meister. It's hard as fuck, though. Even Normal is on the same level as an average Lunatic in the main STGs, if not harder.

>>8386444

>>8386473
>>8386465
Jesus. I'll give a try anyway though, I need something to distract from the never-ending pain of UFO hard mode

>>8386444
Why does the sidescrolling shmup have to be touhou?

>>8386501
I've played and enjoyed other sidescroller shmups, and I realized I'd never played a Touhou themed one and though it was strange was all.

I've been playing Gundemonium Recollection a lot recently, I really like it.

>>8386509
>Gundemonium Recollection

Gundeadligne is another good one. Have you played Hitogata Happa? That game seems like a kick in the ass but its very addictive.

>>8386510
Yeah I bought them all on Steam over the holiday.

I'm total ass at Hitogata Happa though, I can barely finish it on the easiest difficulty

After many attempts, I finally Normal 1CC'd Mystic Square with Marisa.

>>8386597

Cool player penalty, champ.

>>8384357
I cleared UFO Lunatic by constantly practicing S5 and S6. You are an elitist and a horrible troll.

>>8387044

Yeah I know. I suck too much so I have to use the extra lives.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=18009
Second time beating UFO lunatic and first time clearing it using Reimu A. Previously it took me over 700 tries to 1cc it using Sanae B. Now it only took me 300 tries. I feel I play much better now but I still make dumb mistakes. I still think UFO is the hardest windows touhou game on lunatic.

>>8387828
>I still think UFO is the hardest windows touhou game on lunatic.
I don't think anybody would disagree with this.

How i'm supposed to take Remilia a shot when she is in vampire form?

>>8367691
fuckit man. i tried playing SA recently and miraculously got past her. but FUCK STAGE 4. THAT GODDAMNED CAT

>>8388552
>Remilia a shot

Playing LLS. God, I beat every boss without losing a single life on normal and then Yuuka kills me till I lose 1 continue.

>>8388575
Yes, you know what i mean.

All the photos counts as failed.

>>8388552
On that card you have to wait a while for her to transform before you can take any shots.

Don't take any before that happens, she adds an extra row onto the streams of knives for every picture you take whether they count or not.

>>8388593
My rushing style doesn't work there then.
Thanks.

>>8388608
The aya games play very differently to the others.

Don't rush, treat them as a problem solving exercise.

Killed by Scarlet Shoot.

On subsequent runs I died to Marionette and then Princess Undine.

Guess I'll try again tomorrow.

>>8387828
Are you this poster? http://oldarchive.foolz.us/jp/thread/7472903

I was still trying to beat Hard mode at the time. Your post and replay inspired and reminded me that my goals were actually possible.

With all my shots combined, my stats for Rod Sign "Busy Rod" are 1392/1680(Lunatic) and 863/947(Hard).

I'm still playing UFO Lunatic all the time, just not as much anymore. I've been busy with some stuff, but I'd love to get back into it.

>>8393362
You know nothing yet.

>>8393362
Holy shit, yes I am. I didn't know that thread was saved.

Well, I'm glad I somehow inspired you, but I'm nowhere near good as the other people out there. I just want to let people know that anybody can beat this with enough effort.

Now I'm trying to beat UFO with Marisa A. I already got to Byakuren on my 102nd attempt. That really gets my hopes up.

Thanks for remembering me, that actually made me smile.

Playing PCB on 120 FPS is fun as fuck. Even Chen can become Ran. The best i could do is not losing any life to Cirno.

>>8394266
120 FPS was the only way that TD was enjoyable for me.

Actually, now that I think about it, has anybody tried to overclock MAME and play DDP at 120FPS? Of course if you did get it to run at that speed, it would probably be impossible because the game slowdowns on purpose in certain spots iirc. But it might be a fun challenge for those who can 2-ALL effortlessly.

I managed to get to Yuyuko in PCB on hard on my 4th try and to Remilia in EoSD on lunatic on my 40th tried but still can't finish stage 1 in SA.

>>8394989
It's funny, I can nearly no death no bomb the first loop of DoDonPachi, and yet I still can't 1cc SA Hard. (I always have to bomb spam through the stage 6 boss.) And I've made it to 2-4 of the second loop numerous times.

Granted, I have somewhere around 120 hours in DDP and only around 7 hours in SA, but still! You'd think skill from other shmups would kind of carry over. My runs of SA hard usually end anywhere ranging from Stage 3 to Stage 5.

How come most of /jp/ is this good at touhou? I just want to take it easy.

>>8396462
Most of /jp/ lies about how good they are at touhou. Don't feel bad.

Can't fucking clear hard PCB, tips?
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=18052

>>8396462
Practice, or there's also some fucks that are just naturally talented at the games and clear everything on the first try.

The touhou games became a lot more fun when I stopped paying attention to elitist faggots that dickwave over what difficulty they play at. Now, I find it most fun to play just to increase my own score and skill at the games in general.

>>8396449
I always sucked at Okuu's patterns too. I'm not sure how the fuck I 1cc'd it on Hard, to be honest. I had just beaten Normal that same day, and later that day I had one of those inexplicable god moments where everything goes right in a run. I have never been able to duplicate the feat since.

>>8396478
easymodo

>>8396478
Good news: You very rarely died with bombs in stock, so good job using your resources.

Bad news: You still died a lot.

Use stage practice. It looks like you're not confident with a single thing after the first stage. I can't be bothered with a lengthy, specific critique today. Sorry.

>>8372542
How the hell did you get 1.1b with that run? My UFO knowledge must be really lacking.

>>8396462
I doubt any of the good players are having fun, or taking it easy, for that matter. From experience, it's frustrating bullshit. They just like to dickwave. Also, practice will lead to frustration.

>>8397265

Fun and frustration go hand in hand in STGs. This is true for players of all skill levels.

>>8397634

The addicting fun definitely outweighs the the frustration, even if I do rage quit after only a half hour or an hour sometimes...

>>8397634
Sure, if you're making progress.

>>8397250
I'm not sure what you're asking. How to get 1B+ scores or how did I get 1.1B with a run that shitty?

>>8397668
You have to be stubborn, patient, and a little strategic. The difficulty and the challenge is what makes it fun, I enjoy learning how to get better though it is brutal sometimes. I crave this style of technical fast-paced, hard gameplay.

Someone said
>I doubt any of the good players are having fun, or taking it easy, for that matter

You have to have fun with it, otherwise you wouldn't put yourself through it. Also from my experience, I have to be very, very calm and concentrated when I play on a high difficulty. Ironically I drink a coffee to keep myself from falling asleep, then I try to be as calm as I can.

Anyone else have rituals they do when going for a very difficulty run?

Can I ask about the fighters here? Or is that too unrelated?

>>8397634
It's probably most frustrating to newer players when they see the better players rubbing it in their faces about getting 2-ALLs and Lunatic clears effortlessly while they're still getting fucked on Stage 3-4.

>>8397814
Not only new players.

>>8397809
You can ask, but there's no guarantee you'll get an answer.

What's an 1-all?

>>8397823
As a shit tier player who can bomb spam through the first loop of DDP, I have to agree. Playing this game for ~6 years and only having done that, while seeing people who have only been playing for a little over a month or two are doing first loop no-miss no-bomb runs REALLY discourages me from playing shmups.

>>8397838
In older CAVE shmups, there's loops. So 1ccing the first loop of DDP would be a 1-ALL. 1ccing both the first and second loop would be a 2-ALL.

>>8397844
>Older cave shmups

More like older shmups in general, not just limited to CAVE.

There are people that are better than you at everything. It is a fact of life. If it bothers you that much, go find the nearest portal thread and ask them for some advice. Otherwise, stop being silly and getting upset over what people say on anonymous imageboards.

>>8397764
I don't prepare myself or grind for difficult runs. I usually put in one or two hours a day (no memorization, no path, only pure sightread runs), until the 1-ALL/achievement eventually comes. I know it's terribly casual, but it's less stressful, and getting burnt out of shmups is last thing I want to happen.

>>8396462
How come most of /jp/ is this good at touhou?
Most of /jp/ couldn't beat Easy mode if their lives depended on it.
>>8396470
Most of /jp/ doesn't play Touhou.
>>8396513
>Practice, or there's also some fucks that are just naturally talented at the games and clear everything on the first try.
Name one.
>The touhou games became a lot more fun when I stopped paying attention to elitist faggots that dickwave over what difficulty they play at.
Name one. Saying "I beat xyz on Lunatic doesn't count."
>Now, I find it most fun to play just to increase my own score and skill at the games in general.
Name someone who doesn't.
>>8397265
>I doubt any of the good players are having fun, or taking it easy, for that matter. From experience, it's frustrating bullshit. They just like to dickwave. Also, practice will lead to frustration.
Good players revel in the frustration, and they know to how to take it easy. Even if they sound frustrated, they are really having fun.
>>8397814
>It's probably most frustrating to newer players when they see the better players rubbing it in their faces about getting 2-ALLs and Lunatic clears effortlessly while they're still getting fucked on Stage 3-4.
Here we go again.
>>8397844
>Playing this game for ~6 years and only having done that, while seeing people who have only been playing for a little over a month or two are doing first loop no-miss no-bomb runs REALLY discourages me from playing shmups.
Calendrical time is irrelevant, it's all about the actual playtime, and I'll guarantee they have more time than you.

>>8396462
>How come most of /jp/ is this good at touhou?
Most of /jp/ couldn't beat Easy mode if their lives depended on it.
>>8396470
>Most of /jp/ lies about how good they are at touhou. Don't feel bad.
Most of /jp/ doesn't play Touhou. The people that say they are astronomically good show no knowledge of the game mechanics and never provide proof of their achievements.
>>8396513
>Practice, or there's also some fucks that are just naturally talented at the games and clear everything on the first try.
Name one.
>The touhou games became a lot more fun when I stopped paying attention to elitist faggots that dickwave over what difficulty they play at.
Name one. Saying "I beat xyz on Lunatic doesn't count."
>Now, I find it most fun to play just to increase my own score and skill at the games in general.
Name someone who doesn't.
>>8397265
>I doubt any of the good players are having fun, or taking it easy, for that matter. From experience, it's frustrating bullshit. They just like to dickwave. Also, practice will lead to frustration.
Good players revel in the frustration, and they know to how to take it easy. Even if they sound frustrated, they are really having fun.
>>8397814
>It's probably most frustrating to newer players when they see the better players rubbing it in their faces about getting 2-ALLs and Lunatic clears effortlessly while they're still getting fucked on Stage 3-4.
Here we go again.
>>8397844
>Playing this game for ~6 years and only having done that, while seeing people who have only been playing for a little over a month or two are doing first loop no-miss no-bomb runs REALLY discourages me from playing shmups.
Calendrical time is irrelevant, it's all about the actual playtime, and I'll guarantee they have more time than you.

>>8398608
>Most of /jp/ couldn't beat Easy mode if their lives depended on it.
define beat
I could 5cc Normal PCB in the first time i tried Touhou

>>8398617
A 5cc is meaningless, with that many continues you can probably just sit in one place bombing and shooting.

Beat means 1cc with the default number of lives.

>>8398608
What would be the point of lying about your achievements on an anonymous board? I don't understand.

Those touhou game threads we have once in a while have a bunch of people 1ccing games and posting screenshots of the result screen, isn't that proof enough? Sounds to me like you're just angry at something and taking it out on /jp/ for no reason.

>>8398608
Actual playtime isn't all that important either - it has more to do with what you're actually doing with the time you spend playing. Identifying problems, finding (or copying) the solution, and practicing until you have decent consistency speeds up the learning process tenfold.

Protip: You can be one of the best western players in a shmup in less time than it takes to complete an RPG if you're practicing efficiently.

>>8398646
>Those touhou game threads we have once in a while have a bunch of people 1ccing games and posting screenshots of the result screen, isn't that proof enough?
People like Riz are of course not lying about their achievements, but if you actually read his posts he's put HUGE amounts of time into the games, far more than any person who still finds themselves struggling. And it's not like he's rubbing it in anyone's face, he's just happy he's been able to do stuff like that and wants to tell other people about it.

>Sounds to me like you're just angry at something and taking it out on /jp/ for no reason.
What part of his post looks anything remotely like anger?

>>8398779
>Protip: You can be one of the best western players in a shmup in less time than it takes to complete an RPG if you're practicing efficiently.
There's RPGs that take 300 hours to complete? Dude, what?

>>8362030
Today i beat Great Fairy Wars on Lunatic difficulty
Feels awesome also i think it's one of the best touhou games

>>8399044
Nice, which route did you do?

I'm assuming it's not either of the star last ones.

>>8399044
first i took Route A then choosed to go to Misty lake and final was springpath.
It's probably the easiest route.. I also almost managed to 1CC route B too but screwed up in stage 3

>>8399044
I like how it's possible to still go a long way even at 0 motivation.
0 motivation is what I had when I confronted the final spell of the three fairies on lunatic. I got 200 half-way during clearing the card.

also DAT EXTRA STAGE

I'm completely new to Touhou and was hoping that some of you would be able to answer my questions.

When you "Get a spellcard" what exactly does that mean? What are spellcards?

About Imperishable Night, I've read something about having a human and a phantom form. (Pairs, slow ones being phantoms I assume?)
What exactly is the difference between human/phantom form?

>>8399197
hold shift for focused movement

>>8399197
>When you "Get a spellcard" what exactly does that mean?
In most games, this means successfully shooting down a spell card attack without dying or bombing.
>What are spellcards?
The named bullet patterns that bosses will use that are generally fancier and more gimmicky. Alternately, these can refer to the players bombs.

>What exactly is the difference between human/phantom form?
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Gameplay#Phantom_Gauge
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Imperishable_Night/Strategy#Phantom_Gauge

>>8398608
>Name one.
Half of the people form the #PoFV.

>>8399034
I've only played one shmup for more than 50-60 hours and I have (or had) several western records (in games that people actually play as well).

There are some really gross exaggerations about the difficulty of shmups and how much dedication is required to be good at them. That's partly why I started playing them more than multiplayer games.

>>8398608
The funny thing is, I probably played more DDP than anybody I knew at the time. (3 to 6 hours a day.) And they only play for maybe 15 to 30 minutes every couple of days. They were still getting 1-ALLs and no-miss no-bomb runs.

So yeah, "practice makes perfect" is a bunch of bullshit. You're either born with the innate ability to play shmups, or you aren't. But you know, you're probably just going to go on and post about how they were practicing efficiently, or you're going to post your 710M score and dickwaver it all over the place or whatever you egotistical IRCfags are doing these days.

>>8399507
>So yeah, "practice makes perfect" is a bunch of bullshit. You're either born with the innate ability to play shmups, or you aren't. But you know, you're probably just going to go on and post about how they were practicing efficiently, or you're going to post your 710M score and dickwaver it all over the place or whatever you egotistical IRCfags are doing these days.
Thank you. It's a big relief to know that I am not the only one that believes this and has experienced it.

>>8399274
I really don't find the posters from #PoFV showing off here every time they upload some lunatic clears. Do you?

>>8399507
Alright, you. I don't know what to do with you.

In just about every thread, you let us know how much you hate it when someone says a variant of "practice makes perfect". When people ask for advice, we tell them to practice. Since that upsets you, what would you rather hear? "Oh, you're having trouble? You'll never get it. Give up now. Get out." How quickly you improve doesn't matter if you're having fun. And if you're not having fun, why are you still here?

And yes, us "IRCfags" are going to come to gameplay threads to dickwave our gameplay achievements. What, you want to kick us out of the threads because were too good by /jp/'s standards?

>>8399274
Ok, I'll post you my list of awesomely cool and splendid achievements. And stuff. Mostly the latter.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=17409 -- I have calred IN easy modo. :O
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=17369 -- Twice!http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=16660 -- I've timed out a Spell Card! (it was hard)
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=16112 -- I've tried new playing methods
(did not 1CC the game, but boasting anyway.)
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=15930 -- I've 1CC'd MOUNTAIN of BOMB
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=15926 -- I bombed, then I bombed again. And guess what, then I bombed again. And again. And, maybe again. Watch the run to see. (don't actually watch it, it's boring)
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=15909 -- Hahaha.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=15736 -- NOT A 1CC
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=15519 -- And, I suck at TD scoring.

>>8397688
Mostly how you make it sound like you completely winged it, since the mid-level replays I've seen get around 1.1 to 1.4 with both cash-ins and I presume those were well planned and practiced. Maybe you didn't lose as many points on 5 & 6 as I'm imagining. I haven't spent that long scoring it so I'm not sure what's possible given a certain point value.

>>8399984
By "no practice" I mean haven't played in weeks, and haven't played UFO on Normal in months, probably. I'm very familiar with all of UFOs individual stages, but I've never put together a full run outside of Extra. I "winged it" in that I didn't have a fully planned route, but I knew where all the important cash-ins were (despite missing out on Stage 5's entirely). I spent my resources stupidly and had some accidental deaths, but I knew where all the UFOs were and how to bump my point item value up early on. I would show you the replay, but I didn't save it because it was silly.

>>8399983
Keyword was half. You must clearly be part of the shitty half, honestly.

>>8399507
you sound upset. maybe competitive games aren't for you.

>>8400059
Yes, I am. Want to challenge me over scoring, survival or something?

>>8400142
No, you would win, honestly.

>>8400033
Ah, ok. Just with all that, especially how you must have gone into stage 5 with < 50k point value, it seemed impossible and I was getting mad trying to figure out where the points came from. But I guess the random UFOs just add up at that point.

>>8400163
Who are you, I'm curious.

>>8400334
Huh? Am I supposed to be someone you know?

>>8400362
I'm assuming you use #PoFV.

>>8400362
I think he's trying to be friendly or something. Maybe he wants to fuck.

>>8400376
No.

Well I beat PCB on easy, so I feel pretty good about myself.

>>8400455
Good work. Now challenge a higher difficulty.

>>8400455
Congrats!

>>8398617
>define beat
1cc, default starting lives.
>>8398646
>What would be the point of lying about your achievements on an anonymous board? I don't understand.
What would be the point of trolling on an anonymous board? I don't understand.
>>8398779
>Actual playtime isn't all that important either - it has more to do with what you're actually doing with the time you spend playing.
Obviously, everybody is always trying to make the most out of their practice time.
>>8399274
Why don't you come over and tell us who you are, then?
>>8399507
Have fun with your game.

....I just realized after 100 hours of UFO that Nueball's midboss pattern is red and blue in alternating directions like her wings. Could be unintentional I guess, that's basic stuff.

>>8400384
Then how do you know it's full of egotistical assholes?

Bum... huh? Whassup guys?

Fix my keyboard/controller input lag, /jp/.

>>8402052
http://www.mediafire.com/?oilva1a4f06l3vy

Does anyone know if Kefit or any of the old school players still bother playing?

>>8371389
Truth. I'm more impressed with someone who can get a billion points out of DOJBL's first loop, than someone who can get a cheesy 2-ALL with a shit score.

Then again maybe that's not a good example, seeing as the world record for DOJBL is 3+ billion, so most scores I've seen for that game are shit in comparison.

>>8403471
Now that you mentioned it, I don't think -any- of them is playing anymore.

11 and 12 completely fuck themselves in fullscreen for me. I'm using Windows 7. Help!

>>8371389
Not all shooters are from the scoring system era you twat

What a Gradius III 2nd loop clear or INAGE FIGHT aint impressive to you?

Yeah right...

>>8371389
Not all shooters are from the scoring system era you twat

What a Gradius III 2nd loop clear or IMAGE FIGHT aint impressive to you?

Yeah right...

Not every game is DFK 1.5 clear wise.

>>8403471

All of them around that era have quit (Kefit, FallenAngelV, Elixir, Drayen, etc), with the exception of Drayen who still plays whenever one gets released. At least, judging from his Youtube channel.

In secondaries, Jaimers is probably the best.

Also, lol @ this survival vs. score debate. Especially in a Touhou thread, where the games are almost entirely survival based.

>>8403802
>Also, lol @ this survival vs. score debate. Especially in a Touhou thread, where the games are almost entirely survival based.

Not really I just detest these pseudo hardcore poser fuckers" LOL I DONT HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR CLEARS LOL I MASTERED PINK SWEETS THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO THE GAME" wanabee Icycalm niggers thats all.

I should stop resetting whenever I die...

>>8403802
Elixir is not good at shmups, while Jaimers is. I don't even know who the other people are, but if they're mentioned alongside Elixir, they're probably no good either.

>>8403829
>doesn't know Kefit
Must be new, etc.

>>8403850
No, I just couldn't care less about Touhou.

>>8403829

Haha, look at you. The top western Hitogata Happa player is "no good"? And you don't even know who the others are. Cart it back to Shrinemaiden, please. Thanks.

>>8403883
Maybe he does not give a fuck about doujin shooters?

>>8403883
>Cart it back to Shmups forum
FTFY. The players listed are pretty much superstars of Shrinemaiden.

Hahaha Kefit. That brings back memories. I'm not surprised he quit - you can only get so much out of Touhou before getting sick of it entirely - if the games don't burn you out of it, the fanbase will.

>>8403883
Being good at one game that nobody plays, while being shit at popular games that lots of people play (ie. Cave, Touhou, other doujin games) does not make you a good player.

Mentioning random forums individuals

Please start discussing EOJ,CAVE STG,AO;KERNOW,NEO GEO FOURMS,JAPJAC,INSOMNIC ARCADE ,ICYAUTIST fuck let this shit stay at whatever fucking forum its from fuck

Mentioning random forums individuals

Please start discussing EOJ,CAVE STG,AO,KERNOW,NEO GEO FORUMS,JAPJAC,INSOMNIA ARCADE and ,ICYAUTIST let this shit stay at whatever fucking forum its from fuck.

>(ie. Cave, Touhou, other doujin games)

But all of those are shit

Autism at its finest right here

>>8403915
I only mentioned games that I know he plays.

>>8403901

But, according to your logic, being good at a bunch of games, while still only playing primarily for survival (Jaimers), makes a good player.

Fuck, how did I get into this survival vs. score shit? Leave me out of it. I don't follow Touhou any more but those were the notable players back in former days.

>>8403921
We need more of the real shit in here.

>>8403984
>>8403915
Wow I just noticed this was a Touhou gameplay thread

Never mind pardon my error I will cease and desist from here on.

/v/ HERE

Y'ALL CAN SUCK A DICK

>>8403915
>>8403984
All you can do is image posting. Never talking about the gameplay itself.

>>8403987
>Wow I just noticed this was a Touhou gameplay thread
These used to be Touhou gameplay/STG general threads. Also, honestly, posting pictures of other games is more on topic than arguing about "western superplayers" that don't even play for score.