/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Sex is incredibly overrated. It's no wonder men is starting to hate it, especially when women are bitches about it.

>aged 16 to 19
Sounds about right for /jp/.

I love how they're talking about Japan and they show a huge US flag in the background of the statistics.

Sex is for queers.

>>8521394
This. It's good, but I don't understand the obsession with it. I have not had a "bad experience" or whatever but I would much rather do something else. I think Japan's problem is that there are a lot of better things to do, such as watching anime or playing computer games. Assuming the total fertility rate stays the same, they should be able to survive for a few more generations. That's enough media producers to last me several lifetimes, so I'm golden.

Actually the same thing is happening more and more in most developed countries. Even the US has a problem with males giving up on women.

>>8521416
And no wonder.

>>8521416
But on the whole it's not so much of a problem. The total fertility rate in the United States is 2.06, which should be just enough for a generation to replace itself. Though it could benefit from being a little higher.
In Japan it's 1.21 and dropping, which means there's a real risk of there simply not being enough people to keep the glorious Japanese master race alive.

I'm a masturbator so I don't really give a shit about sex.

Of course it would be sweet to have my own anti-social non-normalfag -fanatic -tribalism-programmed woman to jerk me off of course, but it's not like my arm gets tired.

get a load of that homo normalfag guy in the video!

DAMN OTHER COUNTRIES FOR DOING THINGS DIFFERENTLY ARGHHHHHH

FUCK YEH AMERICA AMIRITE GUYS?

You realize this is a poll about what people have said, right?

Many men are in denial or think it makes them more "intelligent" to hate sex. In reality, most of them simply can't get it. You see, it's destructive to be actively "interested" in something you can't get. But that doesn't mean they actually aren't interested.

I guarantee you if most of these men had the chance to get what they really wanted they would take it in a flash, regardless of what they say. There isn't a male in the world who doesn't masturbate.

This is like saying 36% of males don't think about sex when masturbating. Do you really believe that? Maybe a small percentage of that really is sexually dysfunctional, but most of them are lying through their teeth, for whatever reason.

>>8521407
>Japan's problem is that there are a lot of better things to do
This sounds plausible. They have a huge fucking entertainment industry, not to mention all the technology they have. Of all the options they have to have fun, sex must be one of the least entertaining ones. Besides you have to work hard for it? Fuck it I'm buying some <fun shit here>.

>>8521416
This. Japan's reality is like the rest of the world's reality 5-10 years ahead. Same thing with shut-ins and suicide rate, work stress and whatnot.

>TYT
You might as well as post a sankaku link.

>>8521435

Masturbation doesn't equate to actively wanting to have sex in real life in the same playing violent video games doesn't imply you want to kill people. I'm sure they do beat off, and I'm sure it has absolutely no relevance to their answers in the survey.

>>8521435
>I guarantee you if most of these men had the chance to get what they really wanted they would take it in a flash

It's said in the video that the main reason for it is because you have to work too much towards a relatively small reward. Better spend that time doing other shit like, you know, actually having fun.

Increasing human lifespan would solve many problems.

It's say to assume most of /jp/ isn't Japanese, and look how we turned out. Yes, I'm blaming Japan for being a 21-year-old kissless virgin.

I can safely say if touhou, doujins, h-games and etc didn't exist, i'd probably be a normal member of society.

>>8521451

Japan seems to demonstrate otherwise.

>>8521453
Have fun at your minimum wage job.

>>8521453
>I can safely say if touhou, doujins, h-games and etc didn't exist, i'd probably be a normal member of society.
You'd probably forcing yourself to, though.

>>8521440
>This. Japan's reality is like the rest of the world's reality 5-10 years ahead. Same thing with shut-ins and suicide rate, work stress and whatnot.
So /jp/ is the future of the Western world.

>>8521435
I will note, however, that while I say this I do believe it is possible a large number of men are effectively not interested in sex, meaning, not interested in sex with a normal woman. But believing a poll that says 36% of men are uninterested in the idea of sex of any form is ridiculous.

For example, I'm uninterested in sex with a normal woman as well, or any sex that I'm ever likely to have in my lifetime. That's because my standards have risen too high; give me 2d/VR or maybe an absolute dream girl and it's a different story, but that's never going to happen, so you could say I am uninterested in sex.

>>8521435
Again, the proof is in the numbers. Obviously people lie in these sort of surveys--compare the results of early penis size surveys where men measured their own penises to more recent studies where their penises are measured by other people. The average penis size magically dropped an inch or two. If there's one thing people are dishonest about, it's sex.
However, the problem is there. Even if this seems to be an exaggeration, fewer and fewer Japanese woman *are* having children. It takes one person to replace a person, and if the average woman isn't having at least two kids (to replace herself and the father) then each generation won't replace itself and the population will drop exponentially.

>>8521440
> They have a huge fucking entertainment industry, not to mention all the technology they have. Of all the options they have to have fun, sex must be one of the least entertaining ones. Besides you have to work hard for it? Fuck it I'm buying some <fun shit here>.
Yeah. In fact the sex toy industry in Japan is huge. Why waste time on a 3D female when you can buy an Onahole and save yourself the effort?
> This. Japan's reality is like the rest of the world's reality 5-10 years ahead. Same thing with shut-ins and suicide rate, work stress and whatnot.
We'll have to wait and see whether this becomes a problem in other countries. For example in the United States, the fertility rate is still at a comfortable level. It seems to be more of a social "problem" in the U.S. than anything. Besides, promiscuity is all over the place now. Even if the middle and upper classes reverted to some sort of Victorian prudery and sex became incredibly shameful, the kids in the ghettos would keep on fucking each other and having eight kids.

>>8521464
We're fucked.

>>8521460
You're yourself and the stack of your experiences, it may be forceful when starting but people will get used to it or die trying.

Civilized males have sex for procreational purposes at best. Only niggers and nigger-level savages have any care for it beyond that. God damn kikes ruining everything for everybody else.

Anyone who can think ahead more than a week would see why chasing after women is a complete waste of time. Supporting yourself is difficult enough as it is, where the average daily salary for a person is barely enough to pay for somewhere to sleep when you're not at work, a car to drive to work, and food to eat so you can work. Then your ACTUAL salary that doesn't go to supporting yourself for work is a $20 a week. Cut out the hours you need to sleep and travel, and that would be around 8 hours at the absolute maximum of free time if you lived right next to your workplace and had only six hours of sleep a day.

You'd have to cut out many hours of your day to chase after a girl that might reject you later on, and she would hardly invest herself both emotionally or financially. If you got past the whole initial time and money sink, you might get to sex with a girl who is 98% likely to already be a used up burlap sack of shit because our current system has "empowered" her so.

What kind of fucking idiot would go that far to get their dick wet, when you could get ten times better from specialized ona-holes for much cheaper.
If we take time to be a factor involved in value, women are tremendously low in price/performance. You can't blame these people for being smart enough to do a quick cost benefit analysis of the situation and see it would keep you in the red.

The only people who benefit from more kids and higher population is big businesses that need more free labor at a lower price point. No wonder you see this being waved around in media to serve corporate interests.

sex is overrated and comes at a cost every time, you never get it free unless it's rape or you're 9/10 in looks

>>8521470
To be honest I think that was what the poll was about, or at least how people will have inferred it. Nothing really suggests these people are anti-masturbation or would not have sex with their 2D waifu given the opportunity. I am sure it just means "sexual intercourse with [real world] women." Even if the survey just said, "Are you interested in sex?" that's exactly how I would interpret it.

>>8521464
Autism is the next step in human evolution!

In the third world countries, they are fucking like rabbits and producing children like there is no tomorrow, then they immigrate into first world countries, where average families have less than two children as an average. Isn't it great to live in today's world?

>>8521382

>Are you part of this percent?

No, because I'm actually an adult.

>>8521490
Or you have no standards.

>>8521508
I'm guessing OP copy-pasted this from /a/, where the "aged 16 to 19" part is a lot more accurate.

I don't live in japan, and I'm 21, but aside from that yes. I have zero interest in 3dpd which means zero interest in sex.

Why the fuck is there a american flag in the background of the japan statistics?

This isn't really a problem for Japan, seeing as how they're making robots to replace themselves instead. Warmly waiting for mind uploading to become a reality.

>>8521500
Even if I outright hated whichever race/religion will take over my country next, I would not care. Perhaps it's irresponsible of me, but I simply could not give a shit
a) what happens in the outside world;
b) what happens after I die.

I don't despise sex as such, I just

1) am not prepared to jump through ridiculous hoops to get it,
2) do not consider it a huge disaster if I don't get it, and
3) do not know how to go about getting it in a socially acceptable manner that doesn't involve groveling or the fear of rejection.

>>8521523
American news source, it's probably their default backdrop. Plus America likes to play world police, so I'm sure some congressmen somewhere are debating how to "solve the crisis facing Japan".

>>8521523
To make people remember to procreate like proper US citizens!

Completely uninterested in sex for the sake of sex. If by some miracle I found someone I really loved, then I would probably be interested in having sex, but that's looking less and less likely as time goes on. Otherwise, onaholes and doujins are perfectly adequate substitutions, and are far less work and money.

>/jp/

test

http://www.psy.fsu.edu/~baumeistertice/goodaboutmen.htm
"The Most Underappreciated Fact" is probably the most interesting section. Maybe just skim the bits in bold.

>>8521544
Only sluts sleep naked.

>>8521545
Oh no you don't delete your bump and make it look like my noko+sage post was the one bumping it.

>>8521533
>3) do not know how to go about getting it in a socially acceptable manner that doesn't involve groveling or the fear of rejection.

This is a pretty big one.

Feminists of various sorts have done a good job telling us of all the inappropriate ways to try to get to know girls, but what was left unclear is, what the fuck are the acceptable ones? Ones that let me keep my own dignity? I honestly don't know these days.

I only know a few situations where it's both possible to meet a girl and acceptable to talk to her: bar and family meetings. The former leads to the sort of girls who think going to bars is a good idea, which I'd rather avoid, and the latter leads to incest.

>>8521594
Parties. Possibly now Facebook, though I don't know how that works. The only remaining option is to just know people by chance, e.g. they're friends with someone in your network of friends and you run into them one day.
What complicates this situation even further is that nobody has told me how to do anything. There are plenty of "pick up" guides written by authors trying to make a quick buck, but I don't know how to talk to people or kiss or have sex or anything in between. I understand some of it is instinctual, but I don't understand how I'm supposed to "just know" things I haven't been taught.
Though I have Asperger's syndrome and I'm told this is a common complaint from Aspies. Maybe non-autistic people have some sort of psychic grasp of social interactions I just can't understand.

America:
>16 year olds are little children and should not have sex no matter what country they are in!
>Jap 16 year olds don't want have to have sex, there's something wrong with them!

who gives a shit reported

>>8521549
Thank you for posting this. Especially the comment. If you didn't include that I'd probably put this in my "read in future" folder.

>>8521661
>"read in future"
Tomorrow never comes...

>>8521594
>and the latter leads to incest.
Is there a problem with this?

>>8521382
>666 KB

HEIL SATAN!

I only think about sex because everyone tells me to

Why do they care so much whether I or they want to have sex or not? It's my and their own damn business.

>>8521670
> HEIL

This is just a sign that we're undergoing another sexual revolution. Men will reign supreme (as we always do) and after this we'll hurry up and invent impregnable sex robots.

>>8521382

I'm guess men are getting sick of the bullshit that women do, shit if you get her pregnant your life goes to dhit then you'll have to serport her and the baby, if you have sex and piss her off she can say you raped her dont forget if they lie about their age and the police find out she can easy mode out of it and your life gets fucked up.

>>8521382
Women are fucking monsters they can easily ruin your life by manipulating anyone.

The internet and easy porn has damned humanity forever.

Before, it was just playboy, or crappy VHS porn, but now, with a click of a mouse and a run-over the keyboard, you can get hardcore anal fisting or lesbian rimjobs or dragons with three dicks in an instant.

Who needs sex? The most powerful sexual organ is your mind.

>/jp/

>What kind of fucking idiot would go that far to get their dick wet, when you could get ten times better from specialized ona-holes for much cheaper...If we take time to be a factor involved in value, women are tremendously low in price/performance. You can't blame these people for being smart enough to do a quick cost benefit analysis of the situation and see it would keep you in the red.

Yes and yes, but a willingness to be satisfied by masturbation alone, I think, is extremely rare. Sex involves things aside from physical pleasure – finding out what that is, and finding out why Japan’s inhabitants have turned their back on it when most others haven’t yet, is what we need to find out. Indeed, why was the concept of 3D being PD founded by Japan and spread then to us at /jp/, as opposed to being founded the lower-class ghetto-folk? Is it because VNs, anime and other "otaku"-related hobbies have successfully created character templates so beautiful and elaborate we'd willingly pledge our whole lives to them; as opposed to the conventional pornstars who are just viewed as sacks of meat? Maybe from this perspective, opinions like >> 8521453 aren’t that invalid after all.

>I can safely say if touhou, doujins, h-games and etc didn't exist, i'd probably be a normal member of society.
>You'd probably forcing yourself to, though.
You might not be the most sociable, but you’d be a member of society nonetheless. Why the hell not give it a shot; who’s to say you won’t succeed? Not to mention the definition of “normal” is arbitrary anyways. Personally, I love my VNs, Touhou and everything else, and even though I find myself very satisfied with them, I just find the idea of writing off all 6 billion people on the planet as being not worth meeting quite a crying shame!

>>8521702
We are the 16.67%.

because the japanese realized women are boring, uninteresting parasites who think they're highly valuable and should be worshipped but in the end men only care about their baby holes because the rest of their being, including mentality, is unappealing at best and repulsive at worst

i solved the mystery. the only reason the rest of the world hasn't caught on is because half of it is inundated with feminist propaganda indoctrinating men to enslave themselves to pleasing women, and the other half still functions in a medieval society where children are vital to one's livelihood

>>8521702
>/jp/

>>8521707
>>8521707
i fucking agree, the internet is a fucking gate way to the most sickest shit in the world so why would would one need sex in the first place? to make children or for "fun"? no why would i bring a child into a fucked up world like this and if i wanted to have fun there is million upon millions of other things to do than to have sex.

>>8521767
>I wonder why the americans haven't?

Because they're taught from childhood that women are perfect and flawless and always right and you have to do everything they say.

I don't even masturbate a lot. I think it has to do with my medication against depression.

I hear depression rates are sky-high in Japan as well. Maybe there's a link? Maybe because we're all high on dopamine we don't feel a need to work for happiness that, when analyzed, requires too much effort for too little result?

Modern women are entitled and the worst kind of people imaginable, at least in America.

The Japanese are realizing this, I wonder why the americans haven't?

>>8521717
Who needs this sick porn shit when I can have my pure 2D.

>>8521767
Oh man, do you have the older one from /b/ with the girl that was raped by a drug dealer?

There's not a single reason for this phenomenon, but rather a shitload of factors. I'll list some:

- Welfare states have made it economically less of a necessity to form families, both for men and for women
- Easy availability of porn makes actual sex both less satisfying and less urgent to get
- Men have been "educated" to be, frankly, pussies
- Women have been "educated" to be less pleasant, and thus less desirable
- Terrible economy makes it hard for men to land good jobs, from which to gain wealth, with which to impress women
- Feminist reforms have done the same as above
- Socially acceptable dating opportunities are fewer
- Surely we have been cursed by a cruel and vengeful god of some sort
- Etc.

The point is that a large variety of factors that reinforce each other have made it both less desirable and less convenient to form couples. There is no one things behind all this.

What bothers me much more is that in a few decades the mudslimes will have taken over my country because of their breeding program.

>>8521797
Poland is the whitest nation in Europe. If you're in Germany you can move to Austria and be a bit better off.

This is something that's bothered me awhile.

>breeding rate is down

OH NO THEY'LL ALL BE GONE IN A YEAR

>minorities out breeding us

OH NO WE'LL ALL BE GONE IN A YEAR

Neither of these things are necessarily permanent. Say for example, in Japan. Once the population is no longer a future crises, but something that's already passed and the people are struggling to deal with, don't you think attitudes will change?

Won't there be even better incentives for those who breed? Don't you think after all these years at social manipulation, that the media could alter culture in such a way to make it more desirable? Don't you think people who are in a crises are more likely to do something about it, than people facing one?

As for the rise and fall of ethnicity. If one falls, it's because they let themselves, either weakened from within or outside forces it makes no difference. People let it happen. But if a minority can come to prominence, than so can which ever majority that was displaced.

It's all a matter of changing cultures and attitudes.

>>8521836

This idea of automatic compensation hinges uncomfortably on the people in charge of steering the culture (media moguls, trendsetters, etc.) being able to admit their own error and changing the course. I don't see that happening.

But I agree that there will be a counter-reaction, just not of the kind you think. When the minorities start being a real threat to the majority and their culture, the majority will most likely put them in camps and fire up the ovens.

>>8521549
My god, this is incredible. This makes me feel so powerful and capable. This makes me want to stop being NEET and go pass on my genes, if only to not disappoint my ancestors.

>>8521850
Every country that has groups of people of different ethnicities so large they are a threat to each others existence are pretty much in civil war. If mudslimes become too big in Europe (and they are close to being so) we'll soon see another Kristallnacht.

>>8521915
I felt similar for a few minutes, until I realized the only reason I would want to father children is to spite the rest of the world.
Do I really want to bring in a person sired by anger and a thirst for some sort of primal "revenge"?

It won't happen otherwise I am certain of that. I have hardly the motivation to get up and eat as it is...

What percent of glorious Nippon is into 2D shit anyway?

>>8521544
FTFY

50 years ago if you wanted your house to be clean, your food to be cooked, your clothes to be washed, and your children to be raised, you got a wife.

now i can vacuum and 409 my home once a month. I can prepare food with the press of a button. I can wash and dry clothes the same way. no one can afford children anymore anyway so need to worry about raising them.

and to add to all of this, women have been brainwashed into believing that their value is far higher than it actually is.

marriage is not some necessity at all. it was always a matter of CONVENIENCE. now it is far, far, FAR more inconvenient to be married than it is not to be. the only men still getting married are IDIOTS who deserve to lose half their income and pay income to a kid they are only going to see every other weekend when they get divorced.

<--- the only wife i need

>>8522586
>lose half their income
It's 2012, women work.

>>8522603

not when they get alimony they don't. in the US if you get a divorce the woman is still entitled to half the money you make

>>8522616
Not only that, but our present household income estimate for a stable family is 80 hours a week of work. Decades ago a 40 hour output from a male would be enough to support a family.

Now who is the only one who gains from more free labor? Who are the only ones who are pushing for this, and who has benefited from having a dual income household and the fall of the nuclear family?

Gott strafe Juden...

>>8522586

Yeah, come back to me when women actually hold most positions of power, and make more money than men for the same jobs. Men also don't have to put up with things like the glass ceiling. There's unfairness on both sides, but people who complain about women getting the fairer deal are clueless, not to mention the inherent misogyny in reducing a wife to your personal maid.

>>8522616
Why do the States have to be so archaic and backwards with so many things?

>>8522668
Here come the trolls.

>>8522668
> make more money than men for the same jobs.
Women make more money than men in sectors like child care. This is because women are better than men at these jobs.
Men make more money than women in most other jobs. This is because men are better than woman at these jobs.

This isn't even sexist--it's as real as our differences in genitals, and it's something I fully support.

>>8522668
Will you ever share a picture of your tongue for me? A nice view down your love tube would be perfect.

>>8522586
And when the woman works, she makes you help with that shit. And her income is probably lower. Women don't have anything to offer these days.

>>8522668
Incoming shitstorm

according to the video 59% of women in japan are not interested in sex, curious how he still buts all his criticism on the men.

I still feel a faint interest in women, as I still have a semblance of hope that I may find someone worth living with.
External factors are the least of my concern as it isn't particularly difficult to have any attractive external qualities. The chase however is tiring and something I hope to be worth it in the end.
The payoff will only be worth the effort and time if she's nothing less than perfect as a person, although the possibility of that is slim enough that I should not have to worry about working for two anytime in the foreseeable future.

>>8522707
> Women don't have anything to offer these days.
Frankly this is the core of the matter. Women are quickly becoming obsolete, and even the liberal feminist movement is struggling to keep up. Men are quite simply the superior sex in just about every regard. That's not to say there aren't intelligent or strong women, but they are outliers at best.
The only reason women still exist is because we need them to have children. Otherwise women would have died out millions of years ago. But now that technology is improving and we can "create" babies in test tubes, it won't be long before we can synthesize ova and replace women altogether.

>>8522668
I know I'm being trolled, but the gender pay gap is bullshit and it makes me mad. It makes women out there who actually just want to do their jobs look bad.
Compare how much a female engineer makes compared to a male engineer when both:
-graduated from the same school with the same experience
-are in the same field.
-work the exact same hours.
-have the same passion for their job.
Comparing all males to all females is stupid for all sorts of reasons but the most obvious factor would be that men take more jobs with danger or stress pay, are expected to choose their jobs based on income, and are more apt to work long hours.

Companies love women who don't have a stick up their ass about being a woman, aren't afraid to take risks or work long hours, and who can keep a calm head on their shoulders when shit gets rough even more than an equivalent male. Why? Because it makes them look 'diverse'.

The problem is that many women force people to handle them with baby gloves otherwise they threaten to cause a shitstorm.

>>8522754
Next you're going to tell me overpopulation is a myth.

>>8522766
http://overpopulationisamyth.com/

>>8522768
But... but... what about global warming!!

>>8522778
http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/

>>8522778
http://globalwarmingisreal.com/

still havent given up on sex, as i fap to it like HELL

>>8522768
Oh wow, the math for that is such simplistic shit.

If the same logic would be used in 1804 we would be back at 1 billion in 1879...

I like sex, but like most things I do, I prefer to do it alone.

>>8522809
How did you come up with that argument? It's not saying "populating is decreasing" it's saying the rate of change is decreasing. View the SCIENCE bits which address what I think you're saying.

>>8522668
If you really honestly want to know why guys do not like sluts:

Imagine if you met a guy with a special power. Lets call him "Carl". That power is the ability to have consensual sex pretty much every woman on the planet with little to no effort. Carl just has to say a magic word and instantly the girl would be his for the easy fucking. No effort required. In addition to this, he practices using the ability regularly. He fucks around so much that he has lost count of the amount of girls he slept with.

Now lets say Carl wanted to become your boyfriend. Can you really trust him to not fuck around on you while you are not looking? Maybe for some temporary fun, but what about marriage? What about long term? In addition to this, pretend you live in a society where if a married man has a child with another woman the wife will have to pay child support to the child that isn't even hers.

So, can you trust him? Is it wise to trust him? If you have understood everything to this point then...

CONGRATULATIONS!!! You now know what it is like to be in the shoes of a man when looking for a girl he can be in a long term relationship with.

Literally everything about Carl is true for any girl that isn't a completely hideous landwhale when you reverse the genders in this story. A woman simply has to ask "Wanna fuck" for her magic phrase and 9 times out of 10 the fucking begins.

Hopefully you should all understand now why it can be hard for us guys to trust a slut in a long term relationship.

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>>8522836
yeah but how many of those are sage posts?

>>8522842
That doesn't make it okay, Anonymous.

>>8522836

To be fair, it didn't really turn into /r9k/ until... like a tenth of the way in.

Yeah, fuck this.

The Young Kebabs. No.

>>8522844
What do when we want to discuss with /jp/ers something that is not /jp/ related *question mark*
We are even being civilized...

I really don't think sex with an actual woman would be more pleasurable than masturbating to 2D. I like my hand more than I could possibly like one of those disgusting vaginas.

so do those tenga eggs actually feel good or not, the site says its just a novelty item

All boards on 4chan have something in common. They all reek of cultural Marxism.

>>8522891
hey Athens

>>8522692

Yeah, and conveniently there are far more jobs that men are supposedly "Better" at, with no real evidence backing this up. Encouraging women to stay in stereotypical roles with higher pay is hardly progressive either.

Nice try.

>>8522754

Can you please link to actual proper documents instead of Sweet Bro & Hella Jeff quality Jpgs? That way I can click on the links and verify if they support the claim or not.

http://equalpaynegotiations.com/2012/01/11/the-gender-pay-gap-as-myth/

This makes some pretty good points though, either way.

Those points also ignore the fact that a gender can't make a choice - there have to be reasons why women don't take those careers, and a lot of it(especially in areas like construction) is due to how they're treated. Many people make the mistake of thinking feminists want to be mollycoddled, which doesn't make sense.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2011/04/12/on-equal-pay-day-busting-4-top-myths-about-the-wage-gap/

Really, it's missing the point if you have to dismiss a claim of sexism by backing it up with further sexism, claiming that women are somehow simply bad at these jobs so "choose" not to do them.

Another good takedown -

http://mommyceo.wordpress.com/2011/03/30/gender-pay-gap-more-than-meets-the-eye/

The problem is that even when you factor in all those things, if you actually read some of those studies, the wage gap *still* stands somewhere between 5-10%. The wage gap being exaggerated does not mean it's a "Myth".

The only reason I'd ever have sex is due to scientific curiosity.

>>8522917
I have not seen athens for a while. he doesn't even post on /new/ anymore.

>http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/

Are we really getting into this shit now?

This is a pretty good site for getting into what the science really says, it takes on the claims presented there and then some.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Deniers are pretty dishonest people either ways, as they never seem to be able to settle on whether it isn't happening, isn't bad, or isn't caused by humans. The only constant is to resist having to do anything about it.

>>8522871

Most sex toys are classified as a novelty item to circumvent restrictions and testing requirements.

As for the Tenga eggs, I guess they're ok.

>>8522942
Sex toy tester is my dream job.

>>8522923
Why should a woman feel any displeasure while perusing this fine board? After all, this is a place for discussion for little girls about fine things such as drinking tea, dodging danmaku and sucking cocks. Does aging a few years really make it suddenly so unenjoyable? I think you are the one who is frustrated, because there are plenty of little girls here that are having a ball. Labeling your frustrations as a "feminist issue" to make your autistic self feel less alienated is unproductive and ultimately self-destructive, because it encourages dependence on others. Fix yourself.

>>8522748

Athens Quality post.

>>8522728

Also, since this more directly addresses your post, mothers are less likely to be hired and are offered lower salaries than fathers and women without children.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/gender/cgi-bin/wordpressblog/2009/11/motherhood-penalty-remains-a-perv
asive-problem-in-the-workplace/

>>8522927
Anyone else here not a racist, but wishes the Nazis had won?

Theirs was a truly effective fascist government that took a nation on its knees from a depression and turned it into a military, technological and economic powerhouse within the space of thirty years.

It was a social experiment in the way that many reformed or new nations are. America was an experiment in democracy and (eventually) egalitarianism. The Soviet Union was an experiment in Communism. Nazi Germany was the grandest experiment of them all: a rejection of the gentle side of man and a wholehearted pursuit of our more teutonic side: The glorification of the strong, the self-sufficient, and the dominant. It was to be the beginning of a bolder and more uncompromising global civilization that would bring discipline where before there was only coddling; that would harden the soft, and that would not be afraid to say that equality means equal opportunities, not that all men regardless of education or skill are inherently equal to one another. It was a call out to all men to transcend their passive, mediocre existances and aspire to become the heroic and unstoppable species that mankind always had the potential to become.

Nazi Germany was the combined hopes, dreams and ambitions of all who dared to dominate; but in the end, these dreams were quashed by weak, subversive men who would rather hold their superiors back rather than attempt to catch up.

>>8522954

I don't take issue with things like that. I take issue with things are quite clearly feminist issues in the first place. If people are going to go on about how women are supposedly useless and obsolete, I think that's fair game for me to intervene because given the nature of this board, a lot of people are going to believe it(and not just sociopaths like athens).

>>8522965
>Strong
>Fighting a land war in Russia in the winter

Pick one.

>>8522668
>not to mention the inherent misogyny in reducing a wife to your personal maid.
this is the thing I hate most about feminism. why do they have to see it as servitude rather than a woman wanting to do what she can to support her loved ones? it's no wonder women seem useless when they're constantly being told that the things they should be proud of doing are shameful.

>>8522970
I think most of us believe it anyway,
in any case wouldn't it be in your best interest not to bump this to the front page?

>>8522930
I miss that guy

>>8522958
>mothers are less likely to be hired and are offered lower salaries than fathers and women without children.

Well gee, I wonder why.

>>8521435
Ever knew how getting off to Touhous feel?

Well, that doesn't mean you want to have sex with a real woman. Now please get out of /prog/.

>>8522970
But women are useless and obsolete for the /jp/ demographic.

>>8523020
He also has not logged on steam in months.

>>8523008
On the flipside, you paying for everything and maintaining the house is not only acceptable, but expected.

I wish we could have another good old fashioned war so I could die horribly while doing something tangentially important. Get it together, North Korea.

>>8523008

If they want to do it, sure. And the same should be said of stay-at-home dads. But that's not the implication here, and being more offended at my post than one reducing women to servants is insanely telling. Why should it be women that do those things anyway? If the "Father's rights" crowd want to tackle the issue, they should be dealing with this too, because frankly I think a lot of women would be only too happy.

>>8523014
>wouldn't it be in your best interest not to bump this
she's not very bright, as you can tell from most of her posts in the archives.
Why she can't be a peaceful unobtrusive female like me is beyond me. I'd try to see her reasoning for it but I might catch the stupid

>>8523055
The Middle East not enough for you? Become a doctor and go get shot while you help starving children in Africa or something.

>>8523056
well he is in law school right so hes probably too busy now

>>8523065

I think posts like this justify my views in of themselves...

It's a two way street here. I am not going to nor should I have to compromise on things like this. If someone is going to make dumbass remarks about women, I'm going to respond. If you don't like it, you don't have to keep up with the thread.

How would you envision it if you went to a board where a bunch of people were shittalking you, you tried to refute the bullshit, and got blamed for "disrupting the peace"? Sure nobody was fighting before, but at your expense.

My very presence here makes it more comfortable for women here. A good half of the Touhou & VN fans I know are female, so I think people are probably more than a little mistaken as to /jp/'s true demographic. Or what would be it's true demographic if you hadn't Kenji'd all the girls away.

>>8523075
You're right, law school would be more important. I miss him. I never got to give him a Christmas present either.

Also, just to point out, I actually make the effort to get on with people most of the time and I don't tend to talk about things like this in completely unrelated threads. So if you post or find yourself amused at the posting of a sage in my name, you're being a bit of a hypocrite here. It's not just my job to be "Peaceful" because I'm a woman.

>>8523089
>How would you envision it if you went to a board where a bunch of people were shittalking you, you tried to refute the bullshit, and got blamed for "disrupting the peace"
i wouldn't go to the board anymore or I wouldn't bring up the issue,
I mean is that really just too straight forward and logical for you?

>>8523089
I think half is a stretch. For Touhou it's expected, maybe even more women than men, specially in Japan, but with the western VN community I just can't see that happening, what with most translated content being male-oriented.

>>8523089
I don't really care about your beliefs and whatever, but there is no "true /jp/ demographic" othen than the one you see here. If we scared them away they weren't supposed to be here in the first place.

Touhou and VNs demographics, maybe.

so /jp/ I'm not really a regular here I usually visit every few weeks or months so umm who the hell is this cunt?

>>8523115
Just ignore her. Maybe that way she will go away.

>>8523103

Regardless of what you *would* do, would you be responsible for "Breaching the peace"? When they attacked you, they were creating an environment that was inherently hostile towards someone.

The same is true of places that are sexist/racist/homo/transphobic that have no reason to be. It's not the fault of the person challenging it. You can't say bullshit like "Women are obsolete", even in a mocking capacity, and expect it to not upset anyone at all. If you want unobstrusive, peaceful female posters, you have to tackle that.

I like Touhou, I like VNs and I like a lot of the things /jp/ talk about it. I just don't like when these things come up.

>>8523115
A (probably male) troll. Just ignore her.

>>8523115
Who are you?

>>8523127
/jp/ is a hostile place. Oh, no.

Why are you making such a big fucking deal about this, tripfag?

We all came to a consensus that women are a waste of time and no one wants to bother getting with one.
It looks like you got angry at >>8522586, for pointing out that fact, although he wasn't the first in the thread.

I don't give a fuck, and most others don't either, about your feminist or female power garbage. It doesn't affect us and is not part of our lives.

What exactly are you angry about? That none of us will follow you around and give you attention?

I'm actually curious now as to why you're doing this, other than trolling of course.

Recently /jp/ the thought of sex has made me sick...i try and fap to porn but i just end up getting bored. Does anyone else feel this way?

>>8523136
Welcome to our world.
It's called "Depression".
You might have heard of it.

>>8523124
well that really only works if EVERYONE ignores an unsavory and unruly poster, but due to the nature of this board or really imageboards in general ignoring them is pretty pointless at least a few people will give it attention and thats all it needs.

somehow I feel like I've typed this before

>>8523132
just a guy who visits /jp/ irregularly

>>8523137
From past experience, the best way to treat a troll (besides ignoring) is to take them ultra-seriously, and be helpful when they weren't expecting it. I know it did throw me off more than once.

>>8523131

Really? Read back over your own post.

It's one thing to be sexist, but are you really susprised that it would make a woman angry?

I very much doubt I'm the only female here but a lot of them are probably too afraid to speak up given the reaction. It may not be of concern to *you*, but there are female posters here, both current and potential that would like to feel more comfortable here, and it may help a lot of male anons to understand where they're going wrong with women in the first place too.

There might be a reason why women seem like "waste of time" to you, anon.

What people chose to do with their romantic or sex lives isn't my business. But don't take your frustrated virginity out on women.


>>8523127

Hostile against women - that's the important part.

>>8523146
It's probably not a troll, just someone who can't leave /jp/'s bitter heart well enough alone.

>>8523153
Frustrated that we won't worship your smelly cunt?

>>8523064
but they don't want to do it because everyone has told them that it's a menial job that you can't take pride in. consider that there are plenty of men that feel they can be proud of dying while charging a pillbox just because they were told that it was an honorable use of their life.

>>8523127
>You can't say bullshit like "Women are obsolete"

But it's not bullshit. It's an objective fact.

>>8523153
I would assume that the women on this board feel exactly the same as the males, and have no interest in the opposite sex. Otherwise it doesn't seem like they would belong here at all, and be better off in another board such as /a/ or /cgl/.


If I were a female, I'd actually be insulted that you would do a blanket statement like that of all the females by implying they come here to find hookup threads or something.

>>8523153
So you're angry because we don't want to fuck you?

Get a load of this shit...

>>8523103
women don't really understand logic
its like kryptonite to them

>>8523146

I don't know why you're so convinced I'm a troll. I spend plenty of time in the IRC(though I know that's probably as damning to some here as feminism), nothing what I'm saying is remotely surprising, and if I was a troll I wouldn't have linked to things I'd made, etc.

Though I often have a similar tactic for dealing with trolls. To be honest, the real way to deal with a troll is to not care if they're a troll or not. If someone is such a convincing "troll" they may be a real bigot or asshole, what does it matter? An discussion is an exchange of ideas anyway. By saying "that guy is a troll, don't react to him", you're making a big deal out of it and the "troll" is already disrupting things by people having to work around him than just treat his remarks as they normally would.

OMG YOU RESPONDED TO A TROLL LOOOLL - those are the kind of comments that are dumb in this situation. If you make an environment where nobody cares if they're a troll or not, you remove all their power.

>>8523153
>Hostile against women - that's the important part.
Also hostile against slavs, jews, wetbacks, niggers, chinks, the underaged, students, jobholders, gays, sexhavers and unvirgins, offboarders, politicians, ponyfags, furries, idolfags, the bloggers and the depressed, but nobody fucking cares.

>>8523173
Please don't assume all women are like her.

>>8523176
I've made a lot of assumptions about people in my life, almost everyone of them wrong
but I have good feeling about this one

>>8523127
The way I see, what you do in these threads is like a black guy going to Stormfront to refute them.

And keep down the PMT rage. I'm starting to think that the "tone" of your posts contribute as much as the content to cause these shitstorms.
But you enjoy them, don't you? To know you are making some frustrated virgins angry over things on the internet?

Good luck with that, hahahah

>>8523089
>implying you aren't making things very uncomfortable for me as a female
you really don't know the damage you do, huh?

>>8523175
it's particularly hostile against women/feminists, and it's not like being hostile towards other marginalised people makes it better.

It's not really equal treatment when straight(or 2D-sexual, whatever) white males, as usual, aren't on the receiving end.

>>8523175
I almost forgot to mention towelheads and sandniggers, gooks, aboriginals, liberals, Republicans, fanfiction writers, Deviants, murrikans, and Christians.

>>8523202
>It's not really equal treatment
No fucking shit it's not.

>>8523200
You're on the internet. Why the fuck would he care?
If it hurts so much, close the window.

>>8523200
Since you use '>implying', you probably do not belong here, regardless of gender.

>>8523202
But no one cares, cumdumpster. Women are inferior. Take your cultural marxism elsewhere.

>>8523153
>>8523177
>woman
>poster
>tripfag
Never has this image been so relevant.

Please answer the posts in;
>>8523162
>>8523167
>>8523172

>>8523200
it's quite possible that thats athens trolling on the other side of the fence, from what I heard he admitted that some posts over /cgl/ that were disparaging toward male virgins was just him pretending to be a female /cgl/ just to stir up shit.

>>8523194

I think you're seriously projecting the "tone" of my posts, I'm pretty stoic most of the time. It's pretty blatant when I get angry about something. I actually find it hard to get angry 99% of the time on /jp/. Athens was probably the only person who had me close to losing it.

Also, Stormfront for whatever other nonsense they may say about their existence, exists entirely to reject multiculturalism and be generally racist. And to be fair, it'd still be kind of brave and cool for a Black guy to do that.

/jp/ isn't intended for any one kind of person. It's meant for people, apparently, that like things to do with "otaku culture" that aren't specifically anime & manga.

You should get at least as miffed at the people posting dumb stuff like that in the first place. If they're entitled to their views, so am I. I'm also curious as to what global warming conspiracy shit has to do with /jp/ in the first place.

>>8523218
>athens
Is he still posting elsewhere these days? I haven't seen him post here recently.

>>8523225
athens changed his name to Princess of the Crystal.

Why do you guys waste the effort in arguing with hostile people like this?

Just ignore her and go back to taking it easy. It will just make you upset and ruin your evening if you pay attention to her.

>>8523225
some people from /cgl/ claimed he has been starting shit there, dont know how valid those claims are.

>>8523218

It's pretty much impossible since I actually have an established presence elsewhere. You're just going to have to deal with the fact that you have an actual non-doormat female tripfagging on your board. You can either be a little bitch about it, or you can just accept it and move on.

>>8523242

I'm not "Hostile". If someone makes anti-woman comments, I'm going to respond. Making those kinds of comments creates a hostile environment in the first place. Getting this upset over your little boy's club being "gatecrashed" is amusing but ultimately something you need to get over. If you really care about everyone getting along, that can still happen.

Post tits or GTFO.

>>8523221
/jp/ is still part of 4chan. You should know what you're getting yourself into by coming here. It doesn't exactly have a reputation of being a paragon of acceptance of diversity. If coming to this place makes you upset, you have no one to blame but yourself.

>>8523266
Nice doubles!

>>8523245
You're not trying to accomplish anything. I would take your "no trolling nonsense" post seriously if you answered the concerns brought up in >>8523216


It really seems you're the one who doesn't belong here. A female on this board would find other males worthless just like the males find females worthless. The one who can't come to fact that they would not be desirable by the opposite sex is you. Hell, the thread and the video in the OP were started on that same premise.

>>8523245
Athens you are a masterful troll, perhaps the best troll to have ever graced this land
you've not only made trolling a science but an art as well
as such I can not discount how far you are willing to go for your craft.

>>8523221
>/jp/ isn't intended for any one kind of person
Yes, it is.

/jp/ was specifically created for the kind of archetypal (male) person who liked Touhou, eroge, and all things concerning little girls.

The fact that you come here toting a tripcode and stating your female just screams that you are trying to put yourself above the populace of this board.

If you really only come here because you like this board's subject matter you wouldn't feel the need to distinguish yourself, or even post at all for that matter.

>>8523266
The only person who views the atmosphere as hostile is you. /jp/ isn't interested in women that have more than 2 dimensions. The entire board has no obligation to change because your feminist pride was hurt.

>>8523266
Not accepting that we have no interest in fucking you is the reason we can't get along.

>>8523225
>>8523218
he is in law school. He has not posted anywhere recently, not even /new/. Nor has he logged on steam in months.

>>8523266

but you're wrong, and everyone here knows you're wrong. you can keep trying to defend yourself like a rodent with his back to the wall or you can give up.

>>8523275

I ignored that post since you were linking to comments like -

>So you're angry because we don't want to fuck you?

>Get a load of this shit...

And I'm the troll?

"Please address these misogynist, baiting comments or else you're a troll".

What?

And no, I don't think females would in the same way. The issue just isn't that they have no need for a romantic partner, it's that they fall back on sexist clichés to make their point.

>Frankly this is the core of the matter. Women are quickly becoming obsolete, and even the liberal feminist movement is struggling to keep up. Men are quite simply the superior sex in just about every regard.

I don't think a /jp/ female would make the same remarks about a men like that. It's also a false equivalence, as it ignores how much more significance sexism against or objectification of women is in a male dominated cultured.

I'm a female and I'm interested in a partner. I am primarily interested in women, but not because I believe men are inferior or obsolete or anything.

>>8523221
I'm sure I'm not. Your posts on the subject reek of anger, or something like that
.
And you missed the point about Stormfront(though you'd be surprised at how many people go there to "challenge" them, and it's hardly brave or cool).

There more to a board than the established content. There's the whole board culture, made by the people who frequent this place, and mysoginy is part of this culture, valid or not, whether you like it or not. And so are many other kinds of xenophobia.
Of course, you can go against the flow of the board, just don't expect to do anything other than piss people off.

And a lot of dumb shit get posted here, much dumber than that, I won't get mad specifically at this.

>>8523221
>I'm also curious as to what global warming conspiracy shit has to do with /jp/ in the first place.
because global warming conspiracy theorists are crazy people, like Kenji, who was in an OELVN, which is basically just a visual novel made by westerners.
Oh wait this is the exact fucking argument you made for that shit thread last month.

Fuck women.

>>8523305
I think we've firmly established by now that that is a waste of time and money.

>>8523305
That's a terrible idea

>>8523299
I once went to stromfront to ask if it was ok to eat mexican food, their answer was a surprisingly yes.

>>8523305
Clever pun.

>>8523298
When you can provide hard facts that women are on the same level as men, you can take pride in being equal.

Living in a world that has been male dominated since the dawn of time, it seems that the odds are against you.
Sorry for being so superior~

You and your dyke friend can be obsolete together.

>>8523314
I love going to stormfront, it's like visiting a foreign country.

Their threads on anime are always funny. When Dragon ball comes up they don't know what to do, as the legendary super aryans also have monkey tails and turn into giant apes.

It's funny how "she" thinks that by coming here and posting her bullshit, it will somehow make us want to be less sexist.

I'M A SMOOTH PIMP THAT LOVES THE PUSSY! AND TUBBY HERE IS MY BLACK MAN SERVANT! WHAT!?

PotC is such a liar.
She, on many occasions, proclaims herself to be a champion of making /jp/ a more comfortable place for women, but every time she posts, she makes me uncomfortable, and wary of ever posting as anything other than a genderless anon. I one day hope to emerge from that horrible state of hiding, but it will never happen as long as she continues to stir up the waters.

>/jp/ was specifically created for the kind of archetypal (male) person who liked Touhou, eroge, and all things concerning little girls.

Who ever said this, really? Again, most of the Touhou fans I know are female and some of the biggest perverts I know are female as well. Why shouldn't that audience be catered to? And having seperate boards for both would be hilariously immature.

>The fact that you come here toting a tripcode and stating your female just screams that you are trying to put yourself above the populace of this board.

Or maybe that I just like posting with a tripcode, and am interesting in discussing issues of gender as it's clearly one that's been skipped over here and needs to be addressed for a lot of people to feel comfortable here.

In particular, this isn't the only thing I post about by a long shot. I want to show that someone can still post defending their gender and partake in regular discussion as well. As an anon I couldn't do that. You may not be "interested" in that, but I don't care, because I am.

>If you really only come here because you like this board's subject matter you wouldn't feel the need to distinguish yourself, or even post at all for that matter.

Take it up with every other tripfag then. Some people like to have some kind of persistant identity, want people to know what they've made(I've posted /jp/ related comics and music before) or don't want to be associated with the anonymous label, or the idea of pure anonymity in general. There are many reasons why someone might choose to post with a trip/name.

>The only person who views the atmosphere as hostile is you. /jp/ isn't interested in women that have more than 2 dimensions. The entire board has no obligation to change because your feminist pride was hurt.

That's not the issue here. The issue is with remarks like the one I posted in my above post. Also, according to the stereotype, women are meant to be less logical, but people seem to have no problem using logical fallacies like appeal to the majority/common practice to defend things.


>>8523284
>Not accepting that we have no interest in fucking you is the reason we can't get along.

If you're not interested, stop replying to me. Not going to do that? Then, on some level, you're interested.

>>8523294

No it isn't. If there had been several VNs with that as a theme, and it was also a prominent issue to discuss within "Otaku Culture", then you'd have a point. But it isn't.

Meanwhile mexicans and blacks will continue having 10 children per family.

>>8523330
I used to be pretty misogynistic, but that eventually dwindled into apathy since I'm just too depressed and tired to hate anyone much less a group of people I'll never meet. but his posts are sparking my old misogynistic flame, I don't want to give it into though since I have a suspicion that perhaps that's his intention.

>>8523335

I mean for real women, not imaginary sock puppet ones.

Also, there are always going to be instances of internalised sexism; "I shouldn't defend myself in the wake of people attacking my gender", etc. Unfortunately, that's how women have to survive in male dominant nerd circles.

And largely they've been the only voice until now. Suffice to say, it hasn't helped women in general feel more comfortable.

>>8523338

>anecdotal evidence

>it's ok for me to trip because other people trip

>complaining about anonymity on 4chan because it is the only environment where people feel safe enough to say how they really feel about feminazis such as yourself


you may go

I totally agree with you princess! Can you do me a favor and post some pics of you as a little kid? Thanks.

>>8523338
>>8523341
Get off the fucking soapbox, Rocky Horror.

>>8523338
>want people to know what they've made(I've posted /jp/ related comics and music before)

shitty SBaHJ-ripoffs filled with kuso-tier secondary memes does not respect-deserving quality content make

>>8523330

You say that, but merely from me being here I've defeated a lot of the common arguments against feminism.

"All feminists are humourless, hate men & sex". That's clearly not the case, and should it come up I just need to pop my head in to disrupt that discussion. It might not change your mind, but it helps stop the idea spreading.

Plus, if people can put up with athens, I'm fairly certain they can learn to put up with me.

>>8523298
>I'm a female and I'm interested in a partner. I am primarily interested in women

Now you're just being too blatant.

>>8523338
For the first part, moot himself fucking said that. Get the fuck out.

Tripcodes are for people contributing something besides conversation such as artists, translators etc, so that we know who they are, not as a little vanity tag showing that your super-special opinions are entitled enough to have a unique little snowflake name besides them.

If you're uncomfortable with being anon then that means you're uncomfortable with expressing your most honest opinions and actually manually restrain yourself so that you watch what you say. Such behavior signifies a complete misunderstanding of what 4chan is all about in the first place and what makes it at all useful/good (anon posting). That's why people are fucking mean here, because we aren't afraid to step on each others' toes because no one's reputations are at stake here.

Erecting a reputation (which no matter what seems like an act of trying to assert superiority) among a sea of people who are used to addressing each other as equals, inevitably makes yourself a lightning rod. You'll get the attention you want alright, you'll get it all you want until you're either banned or you shut the fuck up and learn to take off the trip.

Princess has had a bad experience with men.

OMG ISN'T JAPAN WEIRD GUYS? THAT ONE GUY MARRIED HIS DS ISN'T THAT FUNNY? ISN'T THAT SO WEIRD AND STRANGE? SO DIFFERENT AND EXOTIC? LET'S MAKE A MILLION NEWS REPORTS ABOUT IT LOLOLOLOOLOLO

>>8523355
But you're a transvestite.

>>8523355
would you look at those DUBS

Hmm, I'm not seeing like half of the posts here. Let me guess, 'Princess of the Crystal'?

>>8523347
Oh no! I don't agree with you! Therefore I am not a real female!
okay makes sense to me

ad hominem a shit

>>8523355
Don't kid yourself, you haven't debunked anything. If anything, all you've proven is that feminists are attention-whores with a stick up their ass.

>>8523355
Just because we had shit shoved down our throats once doesn't mean we liked it and that we want it again.

>>8523362
Ingest my nutsaxxx, nіɡɡеrlоvеr!

>>8523373
fuck off back to your faggot nightclub

>>8523380
Fuck you, ``faggot''.

>>8523354

Others disagree. As long as some enjoy it, it's valid content.

>>8523319
>>8523299

>There more to a board than the established content. There's the whole board culture, made by the people who frequent this place, and mysoginy is part of this culture, valid or not, whether you like it or not. And so are many other kinds of xenophobia.
>Of course, you can go against the flow of the board, just don't expect to do anything other than piss people off.

Of course I expect it to get a bad reception. But it doesn't validate their reaction. I don't think misogyny helps the culture here at all, nor do I believe every /jp/ poster is sexist. I would imagine the *truly* misogynsitic are a more vocal minority here, the rest are just poor at dealing with women.

Some feminist presence is better than none at all, either way. Some will bitch and moan and claim it only makes them hate feminists more, but that only shows how much they don't like their views being challenged. There's no reason to believe them, either way.

>"All feminists are humourless, hate men & sex" That's clearly not the case, and should it come up I just need to pop my head in to disrupt that discussion. It might not change your mind, but it helps stop the idea spreading.
>I'm a female and I'm interested in a partner. I am primarily interested in women

yeah not conflicting at all. nope

>>8523376

But the claim here was one of the "Feminazi" nature, not attentionwhores. If that's how you view me, it's an improvement. You must accept, by my presence at least, that there are feminists that don't want to shut down all of /jp/s interests, tolerate men(as long as they tolerate women) and aren't completely humourless. For me, just being here, and not being an archetypal radfem is a victory for me.

People have a habit of just directing any and every derision towards something they want to oppose without even caring if they contradict.

(Ironically this is especially true of Climate change, which we talked about earlier)

Anyway, if you don't like my posts? Just step out of the thread. I'm talking about issues I feel affect me personally. Others have told me to shut up precisely because it doesn't affect them. So if it doesn't - you can safely leave without consequence instead of pulling this rather uncharacteristic alpha behaviour of comparing dicks in the form of how little you supposedly care about me.

in my ideal world, i am the mangaka of a stereotypical story about feminazis being feminazis

at comiket, there are many doujin of where my characters get captured, restrained, drugged, and brutally raped

that would be a wonderful life, as i would get to inform the public about the feminazi agenda, and also be rewarded for it with fap material

>Anyway, if you don't like my posts? Just step out of the thread.
Don't like our posts? Just step out of the board.

See? This argument works both ways.

>>8523408
A new /jp/ project? I'll go see if I can flesh that out.

>>8523391

No, not at all. How does me primarily being interested in women prove anything? It doesn't mean I hate men any more than you do for not wanting to fuck them quite as much as women.

I should say I'm also primarily interested in *feminine women*, which definitely offsets the stereotype somewhat. I appreciate Tomboys, but don't tend to find them attractive.

>>8523406
>pulling this rather uncharacteristic alpha behaviour of comparing dicks in the form of how little you supposedly care about me.
that is sexist and hurtful
we need to organize a group against hurtful comments like this

>>8523386
No it's not. Feminist presence is not needed at all.
Why would it be? To challenge their views? Give woman a voice? Most /jp/ers are borderline faggots, apathetic about woman or completely frustrated about them, no amount of arguing will change that.

And there is need to give anyone a "voice". If they have something to contribute, then post it, if you are attention whoring or shitposting, get out. It is simple as that. You don't see other "undesirables" of /jp/ asking for special rights. Why should it be different with women?

>>8523417

Thanks for reading the part that comes after that. I guess it is true that constant masturbation can affect your eyesight.

If you're not affected, you can leave. If you think you are, put up an argument. But if you call back on "feminazi" nonsense, don't expect me to take you seriously.

>>8523429
because women are weak and fragile both physically and mentally and need to be defended and specially catered to.

>>8523406
>(Ironically this is especially true of Climate change, which we talked about earlier)
I'm pretty sure you're the only one who's been talking about that in this thread, outside of a couple of tongue-in-cheek replies to a tongue-in-cheek post?

/jp/ you should know better than to reply to attention whores

>"The entire board has no obligation to change because your feminist pride was hurt"

>"That's not the issue here."

>"Getting this upset over your little boy's club being 'gatecrashed' is amusing but ultimately something you need to get over"

I can deduce the following:

1.You are indeed attempting to transform the culture of this board, and will fail hard at doing so.
OR
2. You are a troll.
OR
3. You are fruitlessly spewing resentment because you are butthurt over the opinions of a few denizens of /jp/.

Which is it? My guess is three and that's only because i'm assuming you aren't stupid enough to try #1 or tenacious enough to try #2 to such an extent. I can understand #3, but it will get you nowhere - waste of words. /jp/ isn't about making people feel welcome and happy and it sure as hell isn't about being moral or politically correct. It doesn't need to be either. Nobody is exempt from these effects.

>>8523433
I did read it. My post still applies.

>>8523417
It actually works in our favor because trips can get banned, but anon can't.

That's why tripfags don't rule the boards, but are rather the occasional doormats for people to shit on if they are acting like they're above us just because they gave themselves a name. If good posters were awarded with becoming trips then that'd be different, but it's more like the opposite, bad posters knight themselves as trips because they think that that makes them good.

>>8523429

Why should it be different for the undesirables?

Another mistake idiots make about feminists, or any advocacy group, is that talking about women's issues means that other issues don't matter.

I see things with women come up more often. If I saw racial or homosexual issues come up more often, I'd probably deal with that.

You're deciding, as someone not affected by these issues, a feminist perspective is not needed. I disagree, again, based on personal experiences of how many people into /jp/'s subject matter have been female in my social circle, and felt uncomfortable coming here.

>>8523434

No, someone else brought it up.

Also, should I point out that if my feminism in otaku culture related threads(which I posted like twice and haven't since) aren't /jp/ related, then this thread sure as hell isn't?

Honestly, I don't mind threads like this discussing the cultural aspects of Otaku culture. I think it's interesting, but only if people can be somewhat adult about it.


That's not the case and really I shouldn't even need to prove it if you've nothing to back up the claim that it's otherwise.

>>8523350
Princess of Crystal has escaped from the Island of the Harpies!

Only Quads can send her back!

>>8523435
Once someone replies, there is no stopping. And someone always replies.

>>8523444

Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien : Latest Edition

BAM

>>8523433
>I guess it is true that constant masturbation can affect your eyesight.
look she is resorting to ad hominems!
keep going guys, she's losing!

>>8523460
perhaps they should't be here then?

>>8523444
What I liked about this video (and is kind of related to this thread) is how much his girlfriend didn't care. Like he said she wasn't very interested in sex and they both seemed fine with it. Look at typical Western relationships where sex is essential. People will literally break up with each other if they refuse sex, because it's an "important part of a relationship."
Of course I'm sure they've had sex, but that just makes it more surprising to me.

>>8523468
Dat filename.

>>8523460
>Also, should I point out that if my feminism in otaku culture related threads(which I posted like twice and haven't since) aren't /jp/ related, then this thread sure as hell isn't?
To be fair, I reported this thread long ago.

this thread has revived my once dormant misogynistic flame. I can feel it flowing through my veins like fire, perhaps I should take advantage of this new found vigor and continue athen's good works.

The dividing river between amateur trolls and professionals is changing the subject and holding it. Purincess of the Crystal is not even talking about gender equality now: just about her "right" of defending her cause or whatever.
OPEN YOUR EYES ANON SHE IS DEVIOUS

>>8523460
>felt uncomfortable coming here.
NEWSFLASH- /jp/ is an uncomfortable place for uncomfortable people.
if you feel bothered by being uncomfortable in /jp/ (completely different from being made to not be able to take it easy due to people stirring stuff up) then maybe you don't belong here.

People on /jp/ who spend so much of their time bitching about 3D women are closet normalfags who secretly want sex. Those of us who are truly happy with 2D don't need to go around crying about women being whores or whatever because we don't care about 3D.

>>8523460
most people from other board feel uncomfortable coming here

>>8523482
it wasn't obvious from the very fact that she is the only one AGERUing the thread?

>>8523359

>For the first part, moot himself fucking said that. Get the fuck out.

Link. Specifically to the "No girls allowed" part. Even if he did, it's still BS.

>Tripcodes are for people contributing something besides conversation such as artists, translators etc,

That's your opinion. I disagree. And my reasoning for taking a trip is not the same as your explanation for why others take a trip.

>If you're uncomfortable with being anon then that means you're uncomfortable with expressing your most honest opinions

Actually, it'd be really easy for me to post anon and samefag agreeing with myself. Since I was anon, if I toned down my posting style, I probably wouldn't be recognised.

I like having an identity, even if it's hated.

>Such behavior signifies a complete misunderstanding of what 4chan is all about in the first place and what makes it at all useful/good

I don't think 4chan is "about" anything and it's kind of hilarious you're trying to put down some kind of standards here.

>>8523460
>Why should it be different for the undesirables?

It is not. What changes is that they usually attention whore to their status thus bringing onto them shit slinging.

Racial "issues" come up here very often.

And I'm not deciding anything on basis with "my issues", my agenda, or anything like that. I'm deciding it on basis on the content of the board.

And we are not accepting nor tolerant. If your friends felt uncomfortable here, they surely could have went to other communities about the subject, which surely would welcome them, and probably would be better places to discuss those subjects too.

>>8523501

This thread is clear proof otherwise.

>>8523502
in all honesty I do it because it fun, its like being in a riot and smashing car windows.

>That's why people are fucking mean here, because we aren't afraid to step on each others' toes because no one's reputations are at stake here.

I get that people are mean here. I've probably been on 4chan long enough to remember even when it wasn't *quite* as mean as it is now, or at least more intelligent on average.

But people are also entitled to their view if they think there are ways in which it should be less "mean".

>Erecting a reputation (which no matter what seems like an act of trying to assert superiority) among a sea of people who are used to addressing each other as equals, inevitably makes yourself a lightning rod.

Personally, I think this sets a horribly anti-individualist sentiment which really makes me want to continue tripfagging. If you disagree, fine. But that's my view on the matter. Personally while I like the format of 4chan somewhat, I don't like the idea anonymity should be forced on everyone through the social pressure you describe. I think it's great it offers you the opportunity to do so, but the idea that you're "Better" for doing so, is where it becomes anti-individualist.

>>8523502
This. I grew out of my /r9k/ phase years ago (before /r9k/ existed, even). Blah blah women are whores and whatever, I don't care. They're outside and outside has nothing to do with me.

>>8523355
>Plus, if people can put up with athens, I'm fairly certain they can learn to put up with me.
This is pretty much what people think of you, except worse.

>>8523517
>remember even when it wasn't *quite* as mean as it is now, or at least more intelligent on average.

Quit fooling yourself.

>>8523502

Even if that's the case, I think people do it so this so this board won't end up like /r9k/.

>>8523486

Cracking a joke is not an ad hominem. However, not reading someone's point past the first sentence is really bad debating.

>>8523464

Perhaps unwelcome is a better word. Either way, men are more welcome here than women, and I think it's an issue.

Either way, I don't think there would be an issue if people just toned down the stupid remarks. Or in fact, even if people just didn't pile on me for retorting them.

You may claim I'm not helping things, but I'm doing a lot to highlight the issue.

>>8523530
>I'm doing a lot to highlight the issue.
Perhaps you'd like to highlight next that there are a number of posters here who play visual novels, because that's not obvious to everybody already.

>>8523508

There are very few communities for this and it's very difficult to set up a successful new one. Also it wouldn't change /jp/'s significance within that field.

Either way, there's nothing wrong with me opposing sexism where I see it.

>>8523520
This is the attitude /jp/ should have. Leave the bitching and whinning to /a/ and /r9k/

>>8523429
>You don't see other "undesirables" of /jp/ asking for special rights.
now that kimchi got banned someone needs to take up the korean shitposter cause

>>8523530
>men are more welcome here than women, and I think it's an issue.
I don't think its an issue, women are vapid cunts like you who expect every place they go to to cater to their sensibilities. of course we are not going to want to welcome those kinds of people, and thats the way it should be.

>>8523530

You're the only one that's making it an issue. Also, if this place is too unwelcome for whatever reason, there are many other forums and sites to talk about these things.

>>8523540
And there's nothing wrong with me supporting sexism in response to your opposition where I see it.

Not that I have to do much. You're plenty damaging to your cause all by yourself.

>>8523546
>You're the only one that's making it an issue.

Once someone makes a misogynistic remark, it's an issue. If you're a black dude working for a company, you're constantly the butt of racist jokes, but you're the only one complaining about it, would you think saying the same thing would make sense?

Or replace "black dude" for "weeaboo" to compensate for your lack of ability to empathise. Do you think it's fair to be blamed for "Making it an issue", when it's an issue for you regardless? People always have the option of ignoring my posts too - they don't. If I *was* a troll, I'd be vastly successful.

It's pretty crazy to blame the person calling out a bigot rather than the bigot themselves.

>>8523507
Oh god your new is showing so fucking hard.
/jp/ was created as a quarantine. we were shoved out of /a/
saying anything else on this matter would be spoonfeeding, which is a bad thing since it would be hospitable to people who don't belong here.

>>8523555
A weeaboo who goes to a forum where weeaboos are ridiculed for their tastes is probably in the wrong forum.

>>8523551

>>8523555
it is if you are knowingly going to a bigoted website dumbass

>>8523550
>Not that I have to do much. You're plenty damaging to your cause all by yourself.

How am I even doing this? It just seems to me like this is an easy thing to put at the end of a post to make me look bad, but I don't think anything I'm saying is changing your views for better or for worse. Anyone who claimed to have their misogynistic spark "rekindled" by this thread is already too broken or are just saying it to be an assholes.

There's nothing more dismissive than to say to a marginalised person "Stop with your activism, you're making things worse."

History shows this is clearly not the case.

Nothing I'm saying is particularly shocking and extreme, either, especially in light of what I'm responding to.

This is a pretty transparent tactic to try and get me to stop posting. But to me, it confirms that my presence here is at least somewhat worrying to the sexists here.

>>8523530
>Perhaps unwelcome is a better word. Either way, men are more welcome here than women, and I think it's an issue.

Why should a woman feel any displeasure while perusing this fine board? After all, this is a place for discussion for little girls about fine things such as drinking tea, dodging danmaku and sucking cocks. Does aging a few years really make it suddenly so unenjoyable? I think you are the one who is frustrated, because there are plenty of little girls here that are having a ball. Labeling your frustrations as a "feminist issue" to make your autistic self feel less alienated is unproductive and ultimately self-destructive, because it encourages dependence on others. Fix yourself.

>>8523559

That goes against what I was told. If I recall correctly, /jp/ was set up to get Touhou out of /a/ just like /m/ and /tg/ have a similar relationship with 40k etc.

Nothing of that qualifies "boys only". And again, half the Touhou fans I know are female.Why do you think it's fair to dismiss that many people?

>>8523568
Usually, /jp/ ignores the topic of women, but when one of them loudly and proudly declares that the board must conform to her wishes, people get irritated.

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>>8523568
>This is a pretty transparent tactic to try and get me to stop posting.
No, it's not transparent at all, it's really visible for anyone with an IQ above 60.

>>8523581
because if we didn't they would come here and expect us to cater to their sensibilities, much like you are doing.

>>8523593
> it's really visible for anyone with an IQ above 60.
What's the cut-off for mental retardation again?
Because I'm pretty stupid. But I don't think I'm retarded.

>>8523581

Fuwanovel is waiting for your arrival PotC. You can take your friends with you.

>>8523584

People were making stupid sexist remarks before I was anywhere near this thread, or this board.

Don't want to deal with me? Don't make them. If those remarks fly, so do my responses. It wouldn't cause a big deal if people didn't choose to make a big deal out of my responses. That could just as easily happen with the sexism in the first place.

>>8523566

You mean 4chan? But 4chan is fairly unique(aside from other chans, which are essentially the same crowd , and mostly relatively inactive now) and has a format of discussion that can be appreciated by anyone. There's no reason why certain people should feel excluded.

Idealistic, yes, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong.

>>8523581
>Why do you think it's fair to dismiss that many people?
There are females who browse /jp/ and are perfectly fine with the way things are. The person being dismissed here is you.

>>8523587
We are basically sagebombing this thread without actually sage"bombing" it. Please continue to post so this thread will hurry up and die.
Make sure to report PotC if she makes a new thread

>>8521382
I like how they quote the percentages (59% females, 36% males), then ignore them completely and blame the males.

>Why do you think it's fair to dismiss that many people?

What makes you think this is about being fair?

>>8523610
Doesn't look like sagebombing looks like serious posting and it's shitty. This was better by comparison.

>>8523600
Again I'm going to be zomgsexist and make a sweeping statement here:
Why are women like this? I don't think we should pointlessly flame people or whatever, but women always ramble on about being kind and treating people "like people" on the internet.
Example:
http://www.linuxchix.org/
I have spoken with some of these people and the second you tell them to RTFM or figure something out for themselves, they get offended. It's as though the past four decades of netiquette development are lost on them. Can some/most/all women not identify simple patterns or solve basic problems in their head or something? Why do they have to reduce everything to humanitarian/emotional nonsense even if it's a technical query? Why do they take things so personally on the internet of all places?

>>8523605
But this is an ISSUE and women shouldn't be unashamed to admit they are girls and you frustrated virgins better accept it!

>There are females who browse /jp/ and are perfectly fine with the way things are. The person being dismissed here is you.

There are plenty of females that don't, and you're less likely to hear from them for obvious reasons.

There is sexism here. That's a problem for females. Just because some don't raise it as an issue doesn't mean it isn't.

This is pretty much the "some gays don't want to get married, so why have gay marriage?" argument. It's stupid. Sexism is something that's highly internalised anyway - ever read a "Women's" magazine?

You can't pretend that a board that reduces women to servants is somehow more hospitable than one that doesn't. Or one where that happens and no voice opposing it better to one that does.


>>8523597

>8523581
>because if we didn't they would come here and expect us to cater to their sensibilities, much like you are doing.

The problem with this is that like all good idiots and Libertarians, you're just turning it around to make it look innocent on your side.

"Cataring" to my sensibilities just means not making ridiculous sexist remarks, or, not jumping on me for countering them by telling me how I'm supposedly destroying the synergy of /jp/.

/jp/ already caters to your sensibilities - why not mine? I suggest you read up on the concept of Privilege and what it means.

http://borderhouseblog.com/?page_id=54

Anyway I'm tired so I'm going to bed. Good night, /jp/.

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Please don't tell me moot raised the bump limit again...

>>8523641
Oh good, it seems he didn't.

Go about your flame wars.

>Princess of the Crystal

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>>8523626
basically real sagebombing is a bannable offense so it has to be disguised as serious replies. Go look at the thread, see the only posts that aren't sage? They are all made by PotC. (even the Anonymous ones)

>>8523636
jesus christ just go be a feminist some were else.

>>8523636
>There is sexism here. That's a problem for females [who really care about it, like I do].
I fixed that for you.

>>8523657
there is also nokosage you dumbass

potc is pretty much the only one bumping this

>>8523636
>/jp/ already caters to your sensibilities
nope /jp/ caters to /jp/'s sensibilities
not yours

>>8523657
Bullshit I spam kopipe or whatever I'm in the mood for in terrible threads and there's been no bans. Lately though they've been getting cleaned up faster so I haven't bothered.

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>>8523636
we all know that you are angry that you don't have a penis. you don't need to keep telling us

>>8523636
>/jp/ already caters to your sensibilities - why not mine?
because you're the minority
so fuck off

>>8523636
>Anyway I'm tired so I'm going to bed. Good night, /jp/.
basically the thread hit its bump limit so now she can't bump this thread anymore so now she is in a dead end and has to leave until another opportunity presents itself

Dont mind me

>>8523693
are those negroes

>>8523704
no just tanned whites

>>8523711
or japs, you fucking weeaboo

I commend Princess of the Crystal for derailing and killing a horrible shit thread.

May you murder many more /pol/shit threads in the future.

>>8523722
japs dont like to fuck, did you miss the fucking OP?

>>8523742
is that what this thread was about? I thought it was the glory of the feminist cause, how any woman on /jp/ who isn't PotC is a doormat, and how men are horrible people.

>>8523739
no. she doesn't deserve commendation for that.
she kept bumping the thread
we were all using sage

>>8523762
There were retards bumping it before she showed up in the thread.

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>>8523782
Lol, check out these newfags using sage in a thread that has hit the bump limit.