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9140488 No.9140488 [Reply] [Original]

ZUN isn't as creative as we think he is

>> No.9140498

He made games about things he seen in Gensokyo.

>> No.9140500

Creativity is extremely overrated.

>> No.9140506

Nobody thinks his work is creative. It's a typical shmup with typical characters based on typical mythological archetypes. It's riddled with cliches and you could even say it's generic.

But it's also very cute and very fun.

>> No.9140508

>>9140506
fucking buzzwords. get out of /jp/ and go troll /v/ with that.

>> No.9140510

>>9140508
``Buzzword'' is a buzzword.

>> No.9140511

>>9140508
it's not really a troll

the only redeeming thing about 2hu is the music

>> No.9140518

>>9140506
>very fun.
Only people that have never actually played Touhou say this.

>> No.9140524

>>9140518
But if all the people who played it found it not very fun, why would they continue to play it?

>> No.9140528

>>9140524
why do people play horror games despite not being fun

>> No.9140540

The only creative things ZUN has ever done is StB and spellcard system. But i'm not so sure about the spellcard system.

>> No.9140544

wwow when did snan died her hair black

>> No.9140563

>>9140528
Because being scared is fun zOMG PARADOX

>> No.9140843

>>9140544
LOL

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9140853

sauce on this pic?

>> No.9140858

Yeah yeah he plagiarized a beenthoven song.

>> No.9140859

The fanbase is easily more creative than he is.
Without the fanbase and all their creations, Touhou would seem a lot more shallow.

>> No.9140863

>>9140858
>beethoven
>song

>> No.9140866

>>9140853
gamestop

>> No.9140868

>>9140866
how clever

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>>9140488

But if you think he's creative how could think he's less creative than you think he is?

It's like saying that x=x-1

IMPOSSIBRU!

>> No.9140876

I do think he's a pretty good character design, not just because of their frilly dresses but all the shit they reference in their bios and in the spellcard names are pretty damned cool.

Maybe he's a good designer exactly because of how simple and shallow his work is.

>> No.9140889

>>9140858
incidentally, so did every composer that came after him.

>> No.9140909
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9140909

http://youtu.be/k7xl9_gD360

*le WHEN YOU HEAR IT

Same with Liszt or Mozart or whoever else you can name.


The point is that we ran out of simple melodies that can be made into arcade-style music forever ago. Just sit back and enjoy the public domain ``plagiarism''.

>> No.9140915

>>9140909
The comments, they make me cry every time.

>> No.9140924

>>9140915
>Thumbs up if you came here because of Remilia Scarlet (anybody?)

Holy shit. I honestly didn't notice that, nor did I even know someone else made the connection. It was just the first link I found.

Guess it really is that obvious.

>> No.9140928

>>9140889
and he did the same with the ones before him

>> No.9140930

>>9140924
Ok /jp/, you must thumbs up that comment or else you would be lying.

>> No.9140933

It's a pain when you're a peon like me who knows nothing about classical music but occasionally listens to it as background noise, because you always pick up little tunes and think OMG ITS "BELOVED TOMBOYISH DAUGHTER" then start humming along to it before it diverges into something else.
Also kind of shameful because it shows just how uncultured I am.

>> No.9140935

>>9140924
Somebody uploaded something to Nicovideo (which was later reupped to Youtube) a while ago that compared ZUN's music with similar music that came before it. I doubt most of those upvoters would have come up with it on their own.

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>>9140853

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>>9140938

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>>9140951

>> No.9140970

where the girlu comes from

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>>9140960

>> No.9140980

>>9140938
>>9140951
All I have to say is that you are an ugly and annoying bitch, now get out of my sight before I hit you.

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>>9140975
>>9140970

>> No.9140993

You cant go around starting the tsundere without starting from the beginning.

>> No.9141007

On the whole, "we're out of melodies" front, I mentioned yesterday that I found parts of these two songs really similar, but the only person who responded said that the other song was a generic ballad tune. I'm just curious if anyone else is as crazy as me.

Fairy Tail (童話), by Michael Wong (王光良), 1:10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2L0d31BvZ8&feature=player_detailpage#t=70s
Crimson Tower ~ Eastern Dream, 0:15: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=l9AoReAqJyk#t=15s

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>>9140993

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>>9141089
Laffo.

>> No.9141118

>>9141089
is this a game?

>> No.9141122

>>9140540
Inventing a new motherfucking genre of videogames - creative.
Significant addition to an existing genre - creativity debatable.
Everything else - fucking rip-off.

Am I getting your logic right?

>> No.9141188

>>9141007
It does seem to me that they randomly converge for a few notes. But it's so insignificant, you can probably find thousands of other songs who share a few notes with it at one point or another.

>> No.9141203

>>9141089
Is there a youtube video of this? i think i can make a gif out of it

>> No.9141232
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9141232

Who cares. He's still accomplished more than you and most other people ever will, so shut your fat fucking face nerd

>> No.9141302

I think Touhou would be better if that ZUN dude would just stop meddling with it.

>> No.9141373

So this zun is the guy who ruined /jp/ forever?

>> No.9141386

The dresses and hats that ZUN creates are creative.

>> No.9141391

Nah, he is. But i have to agree that he is overrated as hell. The fact that his work is doujin is the main fact that make him overrated.

>> No.9141421

So who is this Zun guy exactly? What does he contribute to the Touhou community?

>> No.9141432

>>9141421
I don't care if you're trolling or not, but ZUN is the creator of the Touhou series.

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