/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Fucking finally. That brony faggot OP fucking pissed me off.

>>9314525
So anyone know how to get Fight Sticks like the Hori RAP 3 to work? tried xpadder and joy to key, to no avail.

>>9314492
Thanks for the games, Desuwa.

>>9315253
Yeah they were good, but you were too far above me. I should have asked you to stick to one character so my predictability (pretty sure after the first half hour you knew exactly what I was going to do in every situation) would hurt less.

Oh well, it was good experience, and I felt myself getting dominated less horribly near the end. I need to learn some proper blockstrings or whatever, right now I need to block on your wakeup to stay safe because that's how bad I am.

Bump for some host.

This game plays really great with a 360 controller

>>9315919
2/10

>>9315919
How do you even manage to do anything with that d-pad?
I mean the stick, maybe..
>2d fighters with a thumbstick

>>9315919
>>9315928
Why would that be considered a troll?

While i dislike 360 controllers (i spent a good portion of my teen years with playstation controllers) i hear them get a lot of praise from people.

Are they bad for fightan games or something? I hardly had any opportunities to play them on the 360

>>9315958
>Why would that be considered a troll?
My opinion

>>9315978
Fair enough
>>9315936
I play Hisoutensoku using the analog. Now, due to being so used to it, i just can't switch to d-pad ;_;

>>9315958
The dpad is terrible anything that makes extensive use of it, let alone fighting games.

It's certainly possible to be competent with it, hell, I play Marvel with it, but you'll have to spend a ton of time learning how to get around its awfulness with shit like TK motions and anything charge related.

If you want to play on a pad basically anything else is a better option. Or you can always use the analog, it's a viable option.

bump

Anyone who can host in/near East Asia?

71.61.153.198:10800 EST/EDT North America

Shinku-colored-Sakuya tier

>>9316808
Too laggy, but thanks for connecting, I guess. Coulda been my connection. Oh well, EST only this time would be preferrable.

>>9316808
Sorry for that unbearable slow mo game, guess I'll have to wait for someone from EU.

>>9316808
GGs to whoever that was. Didn't know why you tried to Bobman me though, that stuff doesn't work lol.

>>9316808
dat sakuyarrr
ggs, was fun.

>>9316982
>bobman
not sure what means

>>9316983
GGs indeed, hoping to play against you again some time.

Oh you mean rocket okuu.
Yeah I don't know how to okuu. My best characters are probably between Patchy, Marisan, and China. I just like to jump around characters because playing one is boring.

98.199.132.146:10800 US Central.
Half-asleep-tier.

Bump for host.

>>9314546
That's not very nice, I'm not a brony at all. I didn't even know the picture was pony recolours until it was pointed out in the thread

108.212.78.209:10800
US West
Lunatic Tier

>>9317817
Why aren't you from Europe? Silly you.

>>9317261
GGs, whoever that was.
Aaah, I'm beat. Off to practice some more..

>>9317902
Thanks for the games, Arisu.

Training your Reimu?

>>9317915
Yup, and probably my scrubby Yuyuko too.
Neutral feels really weird with Yuyu.

>>9317817
Rehostan

206.248.165.78:10800
Southern Ontario
Low tier

No lunatics/extras.

>>9318991
Sudden onset massive lag. Rehosting. Feel free to rejoin.

76.99.56.19:30800
US East

Player aoko is hosting at 128.230.72.213:10800 (US EDT)

>>9319202
GGs. I think I saw you on lobby before. But yeah, sorry for quitting. I'm getting serious lag spikes on my end. x_x

187.127.3.69:10800

South America, Brazil.

Congratulations Duckator for the first place in Skullgirls at EVO

>>9319371
>>>/vg/

>>9318991
GGs. Damn I am too predictable. I'd keep playing but I need to go cook.

>>9319349
Hey man.
How have you been?

>>9319483
Hey man that's offensive.

>>9319490
I only posted that because I'm pretty sure you were the one who gave this to me when I asked you if you were okay when the Northern pavelas were rioting. You had given me this as a sign to the riots not being anything big.

I wanted you to recognize me.

* I mean that O Sad gave to me

>>9319513
I was just joking, don't worry. I'm not him, though, but he's probably alive. I hope.

>>9319462
>Damn I am too predictable

go with the flow of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm-b2gpHGCA

>>9319483
>>9319490
>>9319513
>>9319525
>>9319526

I have no idea what you gentlemen are talking about.

...but I'm still hosting!

>>9319483
HUE
iirc the police had to cancel the first raid at the last second because of judicial matters... the blancos got so happy they even threw a party thinking they were safe only for the police to come back in a second raid a few days later and kick everybody's asses...! Lol

>>9319526
I am sure he is fine. A rich Brazilian girl I knew was really worried about her family when the riots were going on though. That day she was allowed to call her Mom's Cell phone. She hadn't heard from her family since the riots had started either. She got a hold of her mom and family during class; she balled her eyes out. Her family was fine, but they were in a fortified police station waiting out the end of the riots.
>>9319540
Oh okay.
I will be in Brazil to study abroad soon. Maybe you will see me on the T.V when I go to a World Soccer Tournament match.
I look forward to Brazil
How easy is it or how large of a following is there of Otaku things in Brazil?

pic related.
Emperor Akihito's visit to Brazil

>>9319618
There's literally nothing but favelas in that area. What would a rich family be doing there?

>>9319638
Take advantage of them through industry and drugs.
Pretty sure the girl's dad was a dirty political member of some kind, who ran a mafia like drug ring.

Her mom came to surprise her for her birthday. The Mom said she just felt like coming up to visit and had the surprise birthday idea only two days before, so that means she had to have had advanced cash or federal access of some kind.
>>9319595
haha.
They have to get the areas cleared and up to civilized world to a certain degree for the World Cup and Olympics, so how is that going?

anyone shit tier hosting?

>>9319698
Otaku culture sucks pretty bad. It will be very rare for you to find /jp/ers amidst the guys that label themselves as otaku and only know about a few anime. Here, the shonen anime are a fucking huge success, like Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Bleach, Naruto, One Piece, Dragon Ball, Saint Seiya, etc. There are very good cosplays once in a while on cons, but most of them suck. One of the major differences between Brazil and USA on the otaku culture topic though, is that the fujoshi subgroup is relatively small, and most of them are not landwhales. You may be able to find a few diamonds amidst the mud, though. Also, almost no one knows about VNs these days. And pretty much no one will hate you for being a weeabo, only if you dress like one.

>>9319778
I mean, otaku culture on brazil.

187.145.17.106:10800
Central Mexico
Extra tier

>>9319785
Victor?

>>9319618
The biggest concentrations lie either online, in Japanese association buildings and model schools that teach Japanese and offer a number of other services, Liberty block in São Paulo or in conventions all over the country.

>>9319778
Pretty much this. All of the "otaku" people I used to know didn't had any idea of what a VN was, or Touhou even. They were mostly wired on shonen anime and manga. I've been a /jp/er for quite a while and lost contact with all of them, today I rarely spend any time outside of my room, am on several antidepressants and avoid all Brazilian anime communities.

Makes me think that all /jp/ers in our country are actually doing their best to get away or hide their cultural traces, instead of showing them off like said otaku. Those must be truly the cream of the crop.

Brazilian friends, please take it easy. ;_;

>>9319778
That is a little rough, but you should be happy about no one giving you crap for being a weeboo Otaku in Brazil though.

>land whales
Do you mean those who own a lot of land?
I want to own land in Brazil one daay.
But our teachers tell us guys won't or don't have any water in your country and will dry up soon.

>>9319808
No, like, landwhale means a fat girl. Most of the fujoshi, as far as I know, are fat girls. I generally dislike stereotypes, but I used this to imply that physically the weeabos here are completely different. Anyway, yeah, I'm happy about it, but it makes me also sad because when I go to cons to buy stuff, there's almost no one that will actually have enough knowledge to be actually interesting to talk with.

>>9319808
>But our teachers tell us guys won't or don't have any water in your country and will dry up soon.

What the fuck? Brazil has one of the greatest water reserves of the fucking world.

Although we shouldn't be talking about this in this thread.

>>9317817

>>9319540
Oh well, guess nobody's coming. I'll try again tomorrow.

Whoever joined, i'm sorry. South America is just too far away. It's too laggy even from the screen select. I'm dropping it. Sorry

>>9320776

76.76.161.114:46318
EC low tier

>>9320776

174.6.132.72:10800
NA West
Shit tier

>>9322703
missing dragon meteor made me lose all reason to live ;_;

>>9323104
..what is that?
i know, im terrible

>>9323127
I belive its one of marisas master park spell cards

>>9315936
>>9315958
>>9315996
I use the stick because it wont let me use the pad.
The stick works very well since the inputs are incredibly simple and you don't need rapid fire direction inputs like some faster 2D fighters.

80.221.90.172:10800
North EU host

Winding down from ST tournament of legends hype

>>9323347

ggs Ganondorf
time to go sleep

anyone hosting

187.127.3.69:10800

South America, Brazil.

65.128.20.245:10800

US west/central, continental divide.

>>9324729
Rehosting.

>>9327228

ggs. Wish it was less laggy.

>>9327568
Thanks for the games, 御坂美琴.

My internet is terrible.

>>9327575

Better than the people who live only one state away from me and have 20 FPS 8 delay matrixsoku. It's just typical east coast to west coast delay, can't help it.

>>9319807
We're rooting for you buddy.
>>9320396
Oh I see.
I suppose that's why we're all here.
Good talking to you.
I don't like fat girls.
Most here are really wierd, unless they are middle age women who've had kids.....but even then most of those are crazy after all the years of weirdness.
>>9320403
That is awesome to here. I know our media tries to make Brazil out to be this 4rth world country, when you are probably a 2.5 world country. I keep trying to tell my parents that, but they think I will be kidnapped, sold, raped, then murdered.
I'm fucking sick of it.
I'll join the army to go down there as embassy work and then they'll have to deal with it hhmmmm
>>9317817
Well I'll be in the South where one of Brazil's state capitals is.
As long as we meet in a really big mall when I'm in the south maybe we could do it, but fuck I would be really nervous since I am in another country. I would still be really nervous, just because of being in a foreign land.

Im guessing nobodys hosting. Im kinda low teir but i want to fight somebody thats in the professional teir, i may get my shit slapped, but i want them to show me places where i need working on so i can be better

>>9329685
What is your location.

>>9329713
Nevada

>>9329715
65.128.20.245:10800

I'm not professional tier, but.

>>9322703
Rehosting

>>9329732
Ok i was laughing at myself when i ran into that last attack, well great games, by the way.

>>9329896
Thanks for the games.

So, what, do you want me to tell you what you were doing wrong or something.

>>9329902
Well, just where i need sone work. So yea, i guess.

>>9329820
GGs.
Teching every once in a while on wakeups (and maybe some simple combos) would help you out a lot.

>>9329912
It's difficult since you're at a stage where there are plenty of basics you still need to go over. First, you need to learn to recognize when you're at a disadvantage. Yes, pressing buttons will work against bad players and may surprise a good player, but anyone half decent will just punish you for it. This also includes using spell cards randomly. Either use them defensively (cancelling unsafe moves, reversals if you're good at mind reading) or combo into them. There are a handful of specific situations where you could also use them, but for now, stick with that until you know what you're doing. Block on wakeup. Block in the corner. Escaping is almost always more successful than mashing or countering when you're under pressure.

Play more. Bonus points if it's with people that play the same character as you, so you can see what they do. Unfortunately, we only had one character in common.

>>9329964
Playing with the same character huh? Damn, thats a pretty good idea! thanks for the advice, i appreciate it.

>>9329957
GGs
Thanks for the advice. I will try to work on those areas, especially combos, I know next to none currently..

Is there anyone whos good at useing suika?

bamp

Thanks for the games, Birdget. Sleepy~

Huh, I didn't even make a post that I was hosting.

>>9330830

I WILL DESTROY YOU

Seriously though, those games took forever.

Invisibump.

aoko is hosting at 128.230.52.215:10800 (United States - New York)

108.212.78.209:10800
US West
Lunatic Tier

65.172.52.287:10800

Aria the Scarlet Ammo is hosting at 128.230.52.215:10800

>>9331987
>>9332790
Who are these faggots anyway?

187.127.3.69:10800

South America, Brazil. KOS-MOS tier.

83.248.13.8:10800

I break my fingers doing DP-motion tier

>>9332827
Probably faggots who are better than you.

>>9333242
Half the people just starting out are better than me. I've been consistently beaten by someone who'd only been playing for 20 minutes. It wouldn't make these guys any less faggots.

Aria the Scarlet Ammo is hosting at 128.230.52.215:10800 (United States - New York)

>>9333571
Who is that? Some big player? Tourneyfag?

>>9333581just play the faggot to find yeesh its not that hard

>>9314525
93.199.106.129:10800 Europe
Play with me, /jp/.

>>9333747
I can't if he's in New York, lag would be crippling

i don't really understand the consept of playing online, i want to, because the com. in lunatic stopped being difficult, so someone explain me with your words how to, and how.

> inb4 newfag.

>>9334320
http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Netplay

Would anyone like to host?

>>9334320

Greetings, newfag! It appears that you have the misconception that the computer in Lunatic was actually difficult at some point in time. I should warn you in advance that the difference between the computer and actual human players is going to be so ridiculously large that it will feel like running into a brick wall for the first couple of days. Or weeks. Or months. Depends on how willing you are to learn.

>>9334544
US East 98.221.131.10:10800 meh tier

>>9334588
phone brb

128.230.52.215:10800 (United States - New York)
meh tier

suika is the best character, proff me wrong.

>>9334790
We all like diffrent characters dude

>>9334800
you win

>>9334588

Thx for the games. Was fun. Learned a lot about playing against / playing as komachi.

>>9334320

Did you know that if you play Patchy and just hit C nonstop, you'll beat almost every lunatic computer?

>>9334845
*Did you know that if you play any character and just hit C nonstop, you'll beat almost every lunatic computer?

Fix'd.

Thanks for the games also. Wish it wasn't 6 delay though.

>>9334854
Yeah I felt a little lag. Couldn't do a few combos correctly. But its not as bad as when I play with a few of my friends so I'm used to it.

>>9334845
Well thanks for reminding me about patchy, can somebody give me a few pointers going against patchy? I find her the hardest character to play against. Her danmaku gets to me and when ever i fight someone playing as pachy they spam that powerful sun move.

>>9334904
Punch her in the face

>>9334845
>>9334854

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bveplpcUTus&feature=plcp

>>9334904
Play lunatic story mode and you'll know what grazing is all about. As someone who is quite proficient as Patchy I can tell you that her shining finger is pretty much the only real threatening melee attack, which is largely avoidable. You're really not going to beat her in firefights most of the time, so you should try to take the fight to her. Just gotta be good at grazing and attacking, since she's going to zone with a lot of spirit attacks.

If you're in a firefight, use lasers or bullets that are really dense. Her 6C and 236B/C are really fast and dense so you need something to bust through that.

187.149.73.43:10800
North Mexico
Blade-rang Tier.

Player aoko is hosting at 128.230.52.215:10800 (US EDT)

who is your favorite char. and why?

>>9335223
Sakuya
still don't know the reason why
I just love her

>>9335223
I dont have a favorite, but my favorite person to play with is suika. Who wouldnt like a drunken loli with immense power

Bah, that's easy. She's one of the best-characterized characters in Touhou - which isn't saying much, true, but still. On the surface she's a cold ice-bitch, but the way she minds her loli vampires - even going out of her way to surprise them with puppet shows and shit - shows that she's got a 3D personality.

She's human, but with great power - a rare minority in Gensokyo - and on top of that, she's competent, level-headed and dutiful, which few Touhous can lay claim to And she's cute.

So she's interesting!

108.212.78.209:10800
US West
Lunatic Tier

>>9334955
>Lunatic Story Mode
>Help with graze

It barely helps except let you know that you can 66/44 through any bullet.. which really isn't much. Play someone who's good, and they'll show you how your movement can REALLY be used to go around bullets and do gimmicks (ie: triangle grazing). Story mode barely teaches you anything except the fact that AIs will fall for boring bullet spam.. and the story ofc.

But other than that, it's via sheer experience.. and lunatic story or the CPU for that matter offers next-to-no help at all.

GG DireDireRabbit, thanks for the games.
You might want to respect the opponent's string a bit more, and actually mind your zone a bit. A lot of the times, i was just able to read your rush downs because they were blatantly obvious. Trying being a bit more patient, because it was your recklessness that really got you killed (ie: immediately trying to follow up the offensive after a defensive BE)

On the other hand, one of the certainly better udonge's around US. I haven't played vs a good one in a while. :P

And it was kinda spikey :/ Where did all those come from anyways. GGs nevertheless.

>>9336064
GGs.

Lagspikes came from my rental wifi... sorry about that but it seems the only way I can play. Maybe once I unrust I can break out of autopilot offense... and while I was gone it seemed you picked up decent pressure, you used to only do that one mixup, haha.

>>9336080
Hmm? For some reason, i can't recognize your name despite that it seems like we've played long ago.

Anyways, yeah, i just use the basic AAA as a test to read your BE habits and how often you like to mash the BE. Then i just proceed to doing other stuff and shenanigans.

Anyways, yeah. Was fun to play vs another udonge in a while haha.

>>9322703
Rehosting

>>9336748
GGs. Was going to chase you a bit with Cirno's freezey thing til you started teching a bit, looks like you're improving with that. As a general rule if the other guy is *right* next to you on wake up, you want to be teching out of there (even though the highjump works against freezing technique as well)

Also some basic Reisen combos:
66A -> 236B will net you a ton of damage, there are finishers for it too once you get more comfortable
5AAAA 236B in corner will work better than the 5AAAA. But check the wiki, there are much better ones, these are just basic stuff.

>>9336893
There are a LOT more you can do with these.
For the 66A, you can do
66A 236B hjc9 j.2A
OR
66A 236B hjc9 (j.6D) j.A j.6A

From AAAA, thats one of the weaker choices.
You have practically these:
AAAA 236B hjc j.C j.44 j.6A (requires a bit of execution)
AAAA 236B hjc9 TK j.6A (The lazier one of above)
AAA 6B 6C hjc (j.A) j.8A j.B (3hits) j.C (the one i tend to use)

Also, if you're grinding udonge combos, you should really learn her BnBs as well.
ie: off f5A B hjc j.B j.6D[2] j.A AAA (lead with finisher)
or her aerials which tend to revolve around her Bs
ie: j.A j.B j.66 (j.A) j.8A j.B j.66 j.8A/j.44 j.6A, etc.

But yeah, she requires a good load of grinding though.

OSad, are you here?

>>9335223
Suika is my favourite character, but Marisa is my favourite to play as

80.221.90.172:10800
North EU host

Also, the best Reisen corner combo is clearly 5AAA 236B 236B

>>9337478
Best Udonge corner combo is 236B 236B 236B, if someone tells you otherwise they are lying.

the best reisen combo for any screen position is TK j2A TK j2A TK j2A. If you disagree you probably have AIDS.

91.45.241.182:10800 Europe
sanic aya tier

93.100.52.2:10800 EU
relativly new aya tier

>>9339193
ggs, but delay makes those games impossible to enjoy.
hosting for another 20-30 minutes in hope of getting 6- delay game

>>9339017
Still hosting.

>>9339017
>>9339193
>>9339407
>>9339463
one of you guys can just join the other guy

94.86.659.287:10800

>>9339193
gg good sir. Sorry; I wasn't much of a challenge.

Out of interest, I haven't really figured out how to check the delay - is there some option I didn't see yet or are you using external programs?

Fellow Okuu players - did any of you figure out a way to incorporate Hell Wave Cannon into your combos to make a significant difference in damage? It's a cool looking skill with very good screen coverage, but Break Sun still seems way better.

>>9339193
ggs Hexagon.
Do you know about groundtech? It should help a lot.
I suggest actually learning border escapes if you really want to stay that defensive. And, btw, both yukari and sanae aren't great in defense.

Can't say anything about everything else. Hope you had at least some fun.

>>9339592
Hell wave cannon will never give you damage increase over any half decent combo. Damage/limit rate of this skill is awful. Screen clearing thing is also overrated: HWC throws 4xB1 bullets when 5C is B6 and 2C is B10. Add big and obvious startup to everything i mentioned before and you have one of the worst skills in the game. The only good thing about this skill is that it is good if blocked, so you can incorporate it in stagger blockstrings.

>>9339569
Host can see delay in the bottom left corner if he has FPS enabled in game options.
We had 8-10+ and that isn't good at all. Id say that everything beyond 6 is bad

Sorry for my bad English.

>>9339686
Only blockstrings? Meh, screw it then. I haven't even figured out any decent blockstrings on Okuu, so it's definitely not for me. Break Sun still remains my skill of choice on 22B/C i guess (though i might experiment a bit with shooting sun or whatever the name was)

Btw - would you mind helping me out with some blockstrings of her blockstrings? I'm having a hard time coming up with good ones, so i just end up doing random shit that's easy to escape

>>9339770
Well, it can be used. I just see no reason to do so. Sadly, okuu has a lot of nearly useless skills: 236 default 214 signs 623 grab 22 HWC
Some people use 236 blade, 22 pillar and 214 default, but i think that other options are just better.
Some thoughts on this topic. Remember that this is my opinion, not something you should accept without thinking.
http://pastebin.com/3XcguqUg

>>9340106
Than you very much!
And as for skills - i go with default 22B/C, default 214 (which is indeed useless, but i sometimes change it to the green orbs one (Retro Atomic Model i think?), which is okay), Hell Geyser 236 (though i have yet to learn fully when are the best times for using it) and Melting Pummel Kick 623.
Oh and assuming you're the same guy as>>9339686
Don't be so modest - your english is good.

And one last thing - do you (or anyone else in this thread for that matter) have any other useful linkls related to Hisoutensoku? It would be helpful for newer/less experienced players if we just put a collection of them in the OP post each time we make a thread.

>>9340334
>And one last thing - do you (or anyone else in this thread for that matter) have any other useful linkls related to Hisoutensoku?
http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Main_Page
I think that's all there really is to say on the matter.

or uh http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Links if you're picky

>>9322703
Rehosting

>>9342173
Thanks for the games. I should have went to bed 4 hours ago.

Reisen is weird.

>>9342612
Yep, good games. That was some scary stuff you were pulling off but it was fun

>>9340106
Get a load of this nerd not putting 4 rods on Okuu

>>9342759
I always imagine that whenever Okuu uses the control rod, she equips it. And since she already has one on her arm, i wonder where the 5th one would go.

>>9340106 here
@ >>9342759
I am tired from hearing anything about Control Rods. Let me do some math and convert each rod into percentile health advantage just to compare them with another buff type system card.

Each Rod increases damage done by 10% and damage taken by 7.5%. So, without further ado
Life advantage with CR = (1 + 0.1 * k) / (1 + 0.075 * k) , where k is the amount of CRs used
~2.3% HP advantage at level 1
~4.3% HP advantage at level 2
~6.1% HP advantage at level 3
~7.6% HP advantage at level 4
Dolls give you 3%; 7%; 12% and 20% on levels 1-4.
That means only one thing: SDs are ALWAYS better than rods.

Conclusion:
Simple math proves that Control Rods are suboptimal and should be replaced by Sacrificial Dolls in any deck. There is absolutely no point in adding rods to the deck unless you already have 4 dolls.

If anyone wants to argue with math then you should add something to back your opinion (statistic, math, etc).

>>9343185
want me to add stattistics to you?
ammounts of times you get hit with okuu: a lot
amount of times you hit with okuu: few
Damage receive each time you get hit: low, mid
damge inflicted each time you hit: huge

There you have it.

>>9343341
>>9343185
Okuu's Dial A gives 2539 damage, while Aya's Dial A gives 1277 damage.
Of course we are not going to combo into Dial A, but it's only an example.
The calcs should have been done considering the actual damage of the BnB that you use and the one that your opponent uses, not in HP Adv. in my opinion. Doesn't matter that you have 2.5k more HP than me if you lose more than 1.5k of HP in a combo while I only lose 1k.

>>9343341
There is no contradiction with my math in your statement.

Actually, i think that you don't exaggerate average damage from Utsuhos hitconfirms. Consider following:
1) 4A/3A anti-air midscreen can't be comboed into anything that isn't 2C/alt 22 pillar (<2k damage)
2) midscreen aerial can't be comboed in a lot of situation.
3) 66A hitconfirms for ~2k midscreen
4) Bullets hardly can be confirmed for decent damage
Okuus big damage comes from near corner combos and decent opponent won't be willingly going there.
Because she sometimes hits you with 4k damage stuff doesn't mean that her average damage is high
Which leads me to the point - average damage from okuus hitconfirms isn't that high. I'd give you the estimation of it being only 15-25% higher than average Aya combo and being less that average Tenshis confirm.
Another food for thoughts: have you seen good JP okuus use rods? I haven't, but there was one aya that used them (at lunatic+ level). You can start "Rods aren't bad, JP uses them" thingy, but his deck also had 4xSD.

So, unless you have actual statistics (average amount of damage per hit in around 100 matches vs people that actually know the matchup) i don't think that your "arguments" prove anything. I can hardly call those opinions arguments anyway, so next time back your claims by numbers.

Give me decent explanations/statistics/math to discuss next time.

oh my god it makes me feel so good inside to see a soku thread... I thought they were gone for good.

I might jump on later if someone doesn't mind playing against maximum rust tier.

108.212.78.209:10800
US West
Lunatic Tier

>>9343341
There is no contradiction with my math in your statement.

Actually, i think that you exaggerate average damage from Okuus hitconfirms. Consider following:
1) 4A/3A anti-air midscreen can't be comboed into anything that isn't 2C/alt 22 pillar (<2k damage)
2) midscreen aerial can't be comboed in a lot of situation.
3) 66A hitconfirms for ~2k midscreen
4) Bullets hardly can be confirmed for decent damage
Okuus big damage comes from near corner combos and decent opponent won't be willingly going there.
Because she sometimes hits you with 4k damage stuff doesn't mean that her average damage is high
Which leads me to the point - average damage from okuus hitconfirms isn't that high. I'd give you the estimation of it being only 10-20% higher than average Aya combo and actually being less that average Tenshis confirm.
Another food for thoughts: have you seen good JP okuus use rods? I haven't, but there was one aya that used them (at lunatic+ level). You can start "Rods aren't bad, JP uses them" thingy, but his deck also had 4xSD.

So, unless you have actual statistics (average amount of damage per hit in around 100 matches vs people that actually know the matchup) i don't think that your "arguments" prove anything. I can hardly call those opinions arguments anyway, so next time back your claims by numbers.

Give me decent explanations/statistics/math to discuss next time.

>>9343545
What will bnb damage change in my calculations?
If the game is balanced then amount of combos multiplied by combos damage is the same for every character.
Everyone that argues about CR usability should do math against SD. Ofc providing us with mathematical model that were used.

[spoler]I am pretty much sure that this conversation isn't very interesting for average /jp/ player. Probably we should stop and continue it somewhere else.[/spoiler]

>>9343618
There's always a thread up. Just add it to your bookmarks or something, they don't die that fast.

77.233.108.254:10800
West EU
Rapisttier

South East location
Hard Tier
112.204.133.3:10800

12.3 anyone?

>>9343729
Also Raymoo on lunatikku tier

>>9343700
I seem to remember a good year at least where soku threads were nowhere to be found. The response was pretty much "go to the IRC channel if you want to play."

>>9343729
>South east
uh?

>>9343774
why the fuck is that hitbox so fucking huge

>>9343667
I've already mentioned to people countless times that control rods are dumb. No one listens because they're like children who got excited over big numbers showing up in Runescape.

What a control rod does, in essence, is hurt both you and your opponent at the same time, hurting your opponent ever so slightly more than yourself. Lemme copypaste from the wiki real quick: (link at http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Spellcards#Hisoutensoku_System_Cards))

__________

Equivalent Control Rod effect on HP:

Level 1: Self: 9302 Opponent: 9091 Change in HP advantage: 211 Mutual Damage: 698
Level 2: Self: 8696 Opponent: 8333 Change in HP advantage: 152 Mutual Damage: 606
Level 3: Self: 8163 Opponent: 7692 Change in HP advantage: 108 Mutual Damage: 533
Level 4: Self: 7692 Opponent: 7143 Change in HP advantage: 78 Mutual Damage: 471

Equivalent Sacrificial Doll effect on HP:

Level 1: Self: 10309 Opponent: 10000 Change in HP advantage: 309
Level 2: Self: 10752 Opponent: 10000 Change in HP advantage: 443
Level 3: Self: 11364 Opponent: 10000 Change in HP advantage: 612
Level 4: Self: 12500 Opponent: 10000 Change in HP advantage: 1136
__________


As you can see, Control Rod is very inefficient compared to Sacrificial Doll.

You might argue "But if you use it with no HP left it makes comebacks easier!". While that's true, if you're down by a lot of HP in the first place, it's highly unlikely that you're in any position to use a system card.

thanks for the game anon-san

I'm still hosting

112.204.133.3
>>9343729

>>9343774
Move for those who rushes in while airborne

Thought I'd chime in with my opinion on rods, I do agree that when you just look at regular combos, rods are not all that great.

But, what rods excel in is making high damage spellcards more potent. It's not just an increase in damage, but it makes the game unforgiving for the opponent, they know that if they get hit they die. They can't as readily take risks anymore. Characters with easy confirms to high damage cards can rake in good profit from rods.

>>9343835
It makes your opponent's spellcards "stronger" too.

All the card basically does is shrink your HP slightly. Being at 5000 HP with 4 rods is no different than being at 3572 HP with no rods. If you play any differently because control rods are active you're a silly goose.

>>9343801
I run 4 dolls and 4 rods. I use all default cards anyway.
What now?

>>9343627

>>9343860
Well, you'll lose more quickly than usual. Not quite the most intelligent of all decisions.

209.59.101.183:46318
EC low tier

>>9343860
Good luck getting them all levelled up before losing really hard.

>>9343857

The opponents deck is not necessarily built to capitalize on it though, nor do all the characters even have cards that can do it that well. The main point to rodding is that it reduces the amount of hitconfirms you need to seal the match, a 6k spellcard combo is more likely to kill than a 4k one

>>9343883
ggs, rehosting

>>9343860
Now get 8 opportunities to use them all without getting your face smashed on the ground.

>>9343857
>>9343908
I'll have to agree with the former. Both players get the same benefits of needing fewer hitconfirms, so the net effect is that each game is shorter while the person who uses control rod loses oki every time they level the card during a knockdown. Not exactly something that benefits the user significantly.

>>9343957
With the massive amount of dial-a and generic knockdowns its not hard.

Heck, if you're feeling special you can use them on launch and if they airtech theres still a chance they wont have enough time to retaliate before you can enter block.
This is like #hisouten tier meta going on.

>>9343953
ggs

>>9343883
Thanks for the games.

108.212.78.209:10800
US West
Lunatic Tier

>>9344063
Good luck landing a dialA against even a competent player; they dont give you easy opportunities like that. Against someone good, you might have a chance to level up your dolls, but for a rod, you're not gonna get that far. And levelling up like that is throwing away your okizeme, which imo, is a lot more valuable than the level ups themselves.

>>9343980
If one player wants to do most of their damage off a five-card and the other wants to grind them down with complicated technical crap that doesn't do very much damage, it's in the interest of the person who wants one good hitconfirm to use rods.

128.230.52.215:10800 (US EDT) low tier

>>9344589
>competent player
>/jp/

>>9344828
"Competent" is synonymous with "IQ greater than fifty" over here.

108.212.78.209:10800
US West
Bored Tier

69.251.111.68:10800 ec us
low tier

ggs, profile1p

>>9346276
rehosting

128.230.52.215:10800 (United States - New York)
low tier

>>9346390

ggs
128.230.52.215:10800 (United States - New York)
rehost

98.199.132.146:7500 US Central.

Half-asleep-tier.

>>9346762
GGs, "Johan".
I believe I've fought you somewhere else before. I didn't do much better than I did last time..

128.230.52.215:10800 (US EDT)
low tier

>>9347044
GGs, yes maybe we have played before

ggs. I hope I can do better but really lag

>>9347052
GGs i think you should not use low tier as you are much better than the most

>>9344589
Why do you think so? Basicly yes, you won't hit competent player with dialA out of nowhere. But punishing unsafe moves, confirming guard breaks, combo followups, hj9 D2 crossups and staggering dial in pressure tends to work on any level of playing. Anti-air 5AAA/5AA(depending on character) are happening even on the relatively high level of play.
Don't underestimate the power of the dialA.
>>9344598
Unless your 5-card hitconfirm kills the enemy rods are still suboptimal. And good luck with 5-cards when you need to level up Rods first. Actually i don't suggest running 5-cards at all in this game, unless you can hitconfirm them from nearly anything.


And, returning on topic of leveling 8 cards. It's quite possible, i myself run 20 skills+buff systems decks a lot. Sure, that tactic is probably suboptimal (mainly because sometimes you really don't have time to level everything up), but it's fun to play this game that way. You can use your big 4+-card and still lose the round, but persisting bonuses will never betray you.

On the "losing okizeme in order to level up card" topic - it's just wrong. Most combos that provide at least decent okizeme opportunity give you time to level up card and still react to the groundtech direction of the opponent. Let's take Okuu for example - any limiting combo(except for RD ones) allows her to level up card and still recover faster then opponent. Yes, you won't have much time to rethink spacing and probably you won't be able to force groundteched enemy into the same corner he just escaped. But you will get oki on him.

For example, that JP Aya i was talking about earlier (the one with both SDs and CRs) also used Tengu Fans. Ofc he couldn't level everything up, but it didn't hinder him. When there was no time he just used some of his systems to fuel spellcards.

>>9322703
Rehosting

>>9348524
gg
I think you were best when you were being more aggressive, though that might've just been my stubborn decision to not tech away on recovery.

>>9348720
GGs.
The latter is likely the case

74.80.60.238:10800
US only please
Still awake for a bit tier.

>>9348059

No, it's not just wrong. There ARE cases where that happens, and most of the time, that is the case. Of course, i wasn't saying that you lose okizeme all the time, but you lose more often than you don't.

We're talking higher level play here, so lets take in a very common sakuya combo for example:
3A airunblockable into j.A j.2A (j.2A) 66 623B.

Combos like these won't really give you enough time to level up a system card and an okizeme. And if you try to chase them after a failed oki, all you're doing is setting yourself up for punishment. Most combos have this kind of result because you usually risk a bit of okizeme for your system cards.

However, if you're talking about those like yukari's j.A j.6A j.C j.66 j.A j.8A, of course that gives you plenty of time to level up and okizeme because of the launch and/or speed of the character. But that'll be like.. only about 50% of your combos. Theoretically speaking, thats just enough to level up one set of system cards to max provided that you are steamrolling them. But running both dolls and rods, you're risking too much okizeme for your system cards and it's just not worth it, since getting the offensive against a good player isn't very easy.

Aya can get those both up because of her speed and abnormally good f5A/j.A.

But when you're talking about those like Suwako or Reimu, you're not gonna have an easy time setting up a strong oki to keep the opponent in check.

>>9348734
Learned a lot about Sakuya. GGs
I think I gave you at least 2 or 3 combos every match because I was stupid and tried to mash from a ground tech. Unfortunately, even though I noticed I shouldn't, its too much of a habit to break tonight. Will work on it.

>>9348769
Adapt your combos to suit card leveling needs then. In that Sakuyas combo, for example, you can easily substitute 66A 623 with another j2A. Yes, you will lose some damage, but not that much.

Let's see what i said:
> Most combos, that provide at least decent okizeme opportunity, give you time to level up card and still react to the groundtech direction of the opponent.
What you said:
> Combos like these won't really give you enough time to level up a system card and an okizeme.
I don't see any contradiction.

>But that'll be like.. only about 50% of your combos.
Different opinions.
>But running both dolls and rods, you're risking too much okizeme for your system cards and it's just not worth it, since getting the offensive against a good player isn't very easy.
That is actually true. You are risking a lot of okizemes for system cards. But the "is it worth it?" question is up to player to decide. Some people, like you, think that it isn't worth it. Some think otherwise.
Deck building was implemented to make game more diverse and this discussion makes me feel that tasofro actually succeeded.

>But when you're talking about those like Suwako or Reimu, you're not gonna have an easy time setting up a strong oki to keep the opponent in check.
I don't think that Reimu has any problems setting strong okizemes, but well... Maybe certain playstyles suit certain characters more, don't you think so?

>>9348734
Rehosting.
>>9348795
GGs.

The oki in this game is actually not that important, sure it's good to do but in most cases being able to chase with melee will still keep you at advantage. Due to wrongblocking there are very little oki mixups that would lead to quaranteed damage (spellcard oki doesn't count). You do lose some setup potential on oki when levelling cards but you don't get automatic disadvantage for it.

And what annoys me the most here is the assumption that you always have to max them, this is not true, with buff systems, each of them helps,. you don't have to level them to max in all games. Even if you have 4 of them in a deck the rest can be used for spellcard fodder depending on situations.

>Typhoon

I hate this shit.
It sucks to get defeated in a typhoon, and sucks even more to win cause of one.It's zero satisfaction.

78.148.24.173:10800 EU

Oki helps you win the current round, leveling dolls and Rods help you win the current and upcoming rounds. It's not rare to be far enough ahead to stall for cards, levels etc, and sometimes I find myself in situations where I'm so far behind that I just give up on the round and prepare my hand for the next one.
That's another interesting aspect of the game, because levels and cards carry over within a match you can plan ahead to get the most out of you recourses. It would be boring if everyone had the same strategy.

>>9348873
Quite conceited are ya? It seems like you're the type who doesn't budge even if they could possibly be proven wrong; no point in posting here.

>>9349166
Then maybe you should learn how to manipulate the weather and use it to your advantage. Manipulating the weather is a HUGE part in this game and can make or break some KOs, ie: force phoon at the last second. Sometimes it really comes in handy.

For example, when i play wako, i love to force Snow, Mt Vapor, River Mist, and Scorching Sun.
Snow because people like to run 9001 reversals 4~5 card reversals, and snow usually forces them to drop a few of those. Same with Mt vapor.
River Mist because of the strong bait potential
Scorching sun because her 4card frog split does like.. 1~2k more damage in it.
etc etc etc. If you don't like phoon, just wait for the Mt Vapor to pass by, or if the counter is on phoon, force a knockdown whether its you or your opponent. Use a card, force the weather counter to change. That's how you should deal with it.

>>9349124
With the type of deck someone said above involving 4 rods and 4 dolls and only default skills, one would assume he's trying to reach max level with all of them.

at that
108.212.78.209
US West
Lunatic Tier

71.61.153.198:10800 EST/EDT North America

Average-tier Sakuya player

187.13.94.57:10800
South America

Requesting the troll flowcharts that have been posted in the previous threads.

Also hosting at

77.233.108.254:10800
West EU
Hard tier

>>9350681
GGs P1p
I hate those invicibility frames.

>>9350681
GGs wp.

I don't have much to say, since you adapted pretty well over the matches (mostly DP baits and better ground tech). Still, I'd recommend you try to use j.6A and 2C/j.2C more during neutral. Tenshi's j.5A is kinda poor, and you're not going to win the Youmu match-up if we trade j.5A all day long. It's still fun to play against some aggressive j.5A rush-in play!
Also, if I were you, I'd put more 5-cards DP in your deck. Dunno if you noticed, but every time you had one in hand, I was shit scared. I'm oftentimes aborting my press trying to bait it. So even if you're not going to use them (or scarcely), it's good to have them often at hand... that's how I'd do it anyway, each one with his own style.

>I don't have much to say, since you adapted pretty well over the matches (mostly DP baits and better ground tech).

Yeah, after around.. 15 matches...

>Also, if I were you, I'd put more 5-cards DP in your deck.

I won't do that, tenshi's 5cards aren't really powerful, compared to her 4card, and they are also harder to sort.

96.24.124.154:10800 North America US CST/CDT

Preferably Central to East, unless you got God Net.

Mid Low Meiling Tier.

Bump for host

>>9353631
98.221.131.10:10800

>>9353492
Do people still play efz on efnet?

>>9353649
Rehosting. ggs to whoever I played (was another profile1p), please pick a unique profile name or something.

24.98.130.155:10800 US Southeast Mari/Ali tier.

>>9353918
can't connect :(

Whos hosting? Im not at all great but im not the worst,
Low teir, i guess

71.211.144.189:10800

US west/central. Until I fall asleep tier.

108.212.78.209:10800
US West
Woke up at midnight tier

>>9356309
Thanks for the games.

Don't play on wireless internet.

>>9356309
Well at least your not kicking my ass as fast as usual, GGs. I take it i still got to work on my defence? Btw, which character do u think im the best with?

>>9356441
We didn't even "play". I have nothing to say about your skill level.

>>9356389
Thanks for the games

GG thanks for the games MD1032(i think that was the name?)

Sometimes, when you pressure, try not to run away after one loop. I'm assuming you're fairly new atm? Keep working on it. It seems you're somewhat good at adapting to the opponent, which many people here cannot do unfortunately.

>>9356629
(not the guy you played with) How do you 'adapt' to an opponent? I find it kinda hard, since players often do random shit.

>>9356959
Adapting is being able to find patterns in what initially seems random. It also means being able to see when your opponent has adapted to you. If they counter your patterns, you have to either change them (negate their advantage), or counter their counter (take the advantage).
Obviously, that's only against decent players.

187.13.77.86:10800
South America
Everyone is welcome, but expect some lag depending of the location.

>>9356984
Pretty much what he said. It's yomi in a nutshell. You read the opponent and look for habits/openings.. some more obvious than the other; it tends to be less obvious the higher the level of the opponent and thats usually when the tactic of 'forcing damage' is crucial.

Most people in /jp/ (sadly) will constantly fall for the same bait or be stuck in the same string because won't ever wait patiently to look for openings. They always try to mash or hj out of the first loop without ever considering what comes next, and thus you're able to read the opponent a LOT less, if you can read them at all, that is.

>>9356389

>>9357356
We seem to have desynced. Regardless, duty calls. GG's Mr.Brazilian, your corner pressure seems to be too much for me.

>>9357452
Sorry, a neighbor came here and I was alone home, so I had to stay afk for a minute.

128.230.52.209:10800 United States - New York
not very low tier
If we have delay more than 5, I only play one game.

Bumping before i go to sleep, don't like to see those threads die.

128.230.52.209:10800 United States - New York
not very low tier
If we have delay more than 5, I only play one game.

189.136.60.235:10800
Central Mexico
Extra tier

108.212.78.209:10800
US West
Lunatic Tier

187.13.77.86:10800
South America
Everyone is welcome, but expect some lag depending of the location.

128.230.52.209:10800 United States - New York
only play when delay<6

>>9360104
Rehostan

>>9361110
Can't connect :(

>>9362057
You're 3 hours late son. Try this.

98.221.131.10:10800

ggs DireDireRabbit.

Lag was getting too high so I decided to call it quits. Are you west coast? I'm EC US. We were getting 7-8 delay.

>>9362296
I'm west coast with horrible wifi, sorry about that. Still, GGs, thanks for the games.

>>9322703
Rehosting for a short while

71.7.224.171
EC Canada
Gonna be a noob forever tier.

71.7.224.171:10800
EC Canada
Gonna be a noob forever tier.

­­­­­

>>9363763
bump

71.7.236.110:10800
EC Canada
Please respond tier

>>9364176
Seems like you're not on anymore. Oh well, haven't played this in a couple of years anyways.

If you're still on I'm up for some games though.

>>9364440
Where are you? EC NA?

>>9364476
Also EC Canada.

>>9364508
Not the same guy, but I'll still play you.

98.221.131.10:10800

>>9364546
Yeah, I barely remember my character's moveset even. Sorry for wasting your time.

ggs lolwat

Been a while since I last saw somebody semi-competent play on /jp/. Most people die in like 30 seconds to basic oki and blockstrings :s

>>9364698
Yeah, I might be okay if I actually played the game regularly (or at all), or if I remembered anything. But Soku is almost a niche within a niche, can't really dedicate time to that. Probably going to be playing GG/BB/P4A.

>>9356508
What an ass.

>>9350681

>>9360104
Rehosting again

If Taxi smooth or dorf see this please post the hamachi network info, my computer died and I lost it.

>>9365232
Name is HisouT
Password is ensoku

71.211.144.189:10800

US west/central, continental divide.

GG DireDireRabbit thanks for the games.

There's only so many drops I can handle. Feels bad when i eat 2k BnB because a cross up forced me to hop forward due to delay block on the crossup. GG nevertheless.

Also, just wondering, do you ever respect the opponent's strings? I noticed that i'd always get some sort of CH or just plain out punish you after 1 loop, and you never blocked enough to go even past one loop. All i'd do is stagger and you'd try to autopilot dash out + get hit easily.

You should maybe try to block a bit and analyze the strings first rather than trying to hope every dash out would work.

>>9364176
hostin
>>9365348
ty

>>9365528
GGs, sorry about spikes, again, I'd love to have a decent connection for once...

You're right about the dashouts being autopilot, like 90% of my play is. It gets better the longer I unrust, but oh well. And no, I don't usually block a whole Suwako string because there's so many variations after the flutterkick. When I took one in the face that was usually a misinput/lagdrop 623, haha.

Counterhits: doesn't Suwako have one flutterkick followup that can be mashed out? I could've sworn it was the dive but apparently not. I used to play imluc a ton and he'd use it constantly and now I have no idea what it was.

>>9365696
imluc usually doesn't have much of a strong pressure. He was more tree-neutral based and you really couldn't get much out of it. Her j.A is one of the WORST places to try and even mash because of how many options she has after it. In fact, suwako is just hard to mash out from in general. You should be trying to look for BE points or hj points instead of trying to mash/dash+dialA out. The only spot where i can see a LONG ranged melee (Not like udonge's melees, but stuff like yuyuko 2A/3A) is after a mistimed TK'd j.8A land.

idk about imluc, but my pressure is much more of the style that punishes carelessness than going for the guardcrush. Moreover, i make sure you can't mash out of it, because i've had enough people do that to me. If anything, i always force you to resort to neutral and if you try to go into the offensive, i just set up to punish it.

But yeah, vs suwako, you shouldn't have the mindset of "when can i mash out?" but the mindset of "Wheres the opening so i can force the neutral again."

Like several times, as you tried to go back into the offensive, all i needed to do was catch it, and in certain cases, guard crush you via aerial strings. I don't allow easy escapes, but at the same time, suwako can't really crush either. You gotta be a LOT more patient vs suwako, because she really punishes careless movement due to her zone.

>>9365386
ggs

I was surprised to find that you play a whole bunch of different characters at around the same level.

>>9365973
>I was surprised to find that you play a whole bunch of different characters at around the same level.
Yeah, badly. Thanks for the games.

201.29.8.52:10800
South America

>>9365348
fuck sakes says its full.

easiest character to use?

>>9366830
I'd say it's tied between Marisa and Youmu. Easy aerials, flowchart for the most part, and really straight forward.

>>9366830
Yuyuko. I don't even know what I'm doing and before I can spent my desired spellcard the battle is already over, the other guy is dead.

>>9366854
I'd say Marisa is easier thanks to her B/C attacks being far more versatile.

*yawn*

98.221.131.10:10800

US East

>>9364176
hostin

>>9368052
bump

>>9368599

>>9368052
>>9368599
>>9368769
You're not getting any games because nobody can connect, but nobody is courteous enough to let you know that.

>>9368823
I was trying to connect but it wasnt working
I thought it was my soku since i couldnt connect to this other ip i was specting before going to kosmos

Just checking if this still bumps

>>9368823
Well shit, I thought aspergers was just a terribly over used meme. Thanks for letting me know.

>>9364176

hosting

>>9371650
not working.

71.7.227.53:10800
EC Canada
Please respond tier

80.221.90.172:10800
North EU host

>>9371685
Gg's honky

>>9371685
GGs Kosmos, it became a lag fest on the last match.
You should totally run alt 236 btw.

>>9371776

Looks like a silent sunday, I shall try again another day

>>9371685
hostin


Can who ever the host of HisouT hamachi network please remove my name from the list, when ever I try to join it says the network is full.

>>9371685
ggs kos-mos. Game freeze at the end?

>>9372628
Nope shameless rage quit,ggs.

108.212.78.209:10800
US West
Lunatic Tier

>>9373331

>>9373199