/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Normalfags are mostly like that, they do it because of their herd mentality.

>>9442645

>projecting

Nice one, anon.

>>9442647

Who's projecting? Elitism still exists on some boards of 4chan because we don't want idiots from /b/ and /v/ running around the place. Normalfag elitism stems from just repeating what you've heard others say to fit in.

>>9442645
Not normalfags also do that though. Just look at people on /a/ and /v/
They're a hivemind, ready to cull anything that does not align with them.

>>9442663

/a/ does it because they don't want people who've only just watched toonami to hang out there. /v/ just calls everything "weeaboo" to fit in.

>>9442664

>Everyone's elitist except for the group I identify with

Sounds pretty elitist to me.

It's the reason why this place is doomed, that and moot making the topic of this board unclear.

Shut up, nerd.

>>9442672
They shit up threads about currently airing anime just because they don't like it. The Muv-luv threads are full of retards who never even read the VN, or are even watching TE

>>9442689
Yeah, that tends to happen on every board.

>>9442663
>Just look at people on /a/ and /v/
Why go there when you are already here? This shit is rampant here.

>>9442692
I'd like to say it's not as bad, but it really is awful. Shitposters just don't want anyone to have fun. I think it's been getting better though. We just have to stop being pussies and stand up to them already instead of just rolling over and letting them do what they want.

Maybe we should make a /jp/ guidebook.

>>9442704
Rule 1:Get out

>>9442704
You and I both know that's not going to help anyone.

>>9442679
Why do you have issues with not having a clearly defined board topic?

Do you need clearly defined rules and routine to feel at ease? You may be autistic.

Everyone is so fake here. I wish people would just take it easy.

There is a reason

Our board's main topic is quite specialised. First of all, most people believe it or not can't be bothered becoming well-acquainted with Touhou canon. It's a big universe. Much easier to be a secondary. Secondly, untranslated VNs have an obvious entry barrier. You need to have learned Japanese, which dumb nerds view as some incredibly difficult achievement, as well as be well-versed in an obscure (for Westerners) subculture.

Furthermore, subjects like dolls and figs require money and effort.

So yes, the reason is that we are essentially the board with the highest power level and we don't need subhumans invading us and bringing that down. By the way, only peasants use "elitist" as an insult. What exactly is wrong with being part of an elite? Or of having high standards? If you're calling someone "elitist" in order to make them look bad you're probably just jealous that you're not part of their elite. That's fine but please deal with your self esteem issues by yourself instead of shitting up the board.

>>9442737
Translated VNs are fine here.

>>9442737
We don't have to actively try to force people out. We might as well be like /a/ and boku no pico if we do that. We should leave the pruning to the natural barriers that you mentioned, like Touhou and untranslated VNs.

>>9442720
Because the userbase IS autistic, so now we have a board where people are trying to keep rule in a rule-less board, it's retarded to be honest.
>>9442737
>yes, the reason is that we are essentially the board with the highest power level and we don't need subhumans invading us and bringing that down. By the way, only peasants use "elitist" as an insult. What exactly is wrong with being part of an elite? Or of having high standards? If you're calling someone "elitist" in order to make them look bad you're probably just jealous that you're not part of their elite. That's fine but please deal with your self esteem issues by yourself instead of shitting up the board.

I don't have a problem with that.
The problem is when others mimic the behavior and they don't know the exact reason behind it.

This board needs more elitism if you ask me, or it will turn into a slower /a/.

>>9442737

Oh and of course there's also the problem of people like this >>9442679

The topics aren't unclear at all. First and foremost /jp/ is the Touhou and VN board. Other than that, the "problem" is that having an initially unclear title meant /jp/ had to define itself, which it has done over 4 years. There are plenty of very clear /jp/ topics, as well as plenty of non-/jp/ topics. You don't get a nice little guidebook to hold your hand in learning these like other boards. You learn them by lurking and reading and if you don't know whether your thread fits the accepted topics then you shut up until you're sure.

The lack of lurking on the part of pretty much everyone on 4chan nowadays is is our biggest problem because it's what invites nerds to see "Otaku Culture" and instantly assume they can make random anime/manga/jdrama/here's something that happened in Japan lol threads. No one wants to be quiet and learn a board's culture, everyone just wants to add their own gay little opinions and make their voice heard. How very Web 2.0.

Why are /jp/ers so elitist that they force themselves to like slightly less mainstream things like Touhou and VNs just to distance themselves from anime, manga and game otaku?

I imagine a lot of people are just here because /a/ is moronic and none of them can cope with Japanese.

>>9442765
Uh, anyone into these hobbies is likely into a few of or all of the things you mentioned. They're pretty closely connected after all.

Though I'm sure there are some miserable folks who stop liking things because of the people associated with it.

>>9442765

You just sound mad that someone didn't like your epic anime thread. Touhou is mainstream as fuck these days, didn't you know? Doesn't matter to me, I still enjoy it more than the topics of any other board.

>>9442737
You realise nobody thinks you're cool or special, right? You should probably stop caring so much.

>>9442765
>less mainstream things like Touhou and VNs
>less mainstream
Please check the number of views for bad apple in youtube.
It is even on fucking CNN.
It is mainstream.
People just dont want to talk about anime or manga on /jp/. Use >>>/a/ for that.

>anime, manga and game otaku
Are you proud to wear the otaku tag? I dont think I am obsessed enough to say that I am one. I just like cute girls.

>>9442737
When someone acts elitist because he sees someone else do it, that is an obvious problem. And I am getting that vibe from you too.

>>9442762
>The topics aren't unclear at all.
Oh really? Because people seem to think that this is /cgl/ and /hm/. And even the mod fucking supports them.

>>9442779
>Are you proud to wear the otaku tag? I dont think I am obsessed enough to say that I am one. I just like cute girls.
No I am proud to be truNEET lol

>>9442755
>We should leave the pruning to the natural barriers

Sure, I agree.

However there is one kind of aggressive "elitism" I wouldn't want to see end on /jp/ -- we need to continue to keep the greentext and reaction image shit in check. That's not even elitism, honestly. Some imageboards even have it as a specific rule. Posts typed in a deliberately retarded style is not something we should have to read. Unless it's funny. Which it's not.

>>9442762
Stop complaining. /jp/ would be a very slow, boring place with a lot of regurgitated discussion if everyone kept to such a restricted set of topics. If you want a board to serve multiple topics you don't get the right to cherrypick what is and what isn't relevant.

If you want a board solely for Touhou there is one.

http://may.2chan.net/40/futaba.htm

Just like there are dedicated boards around for VNs, dolls and figs.

>>9442781
See, you think you're talking about me but you're actually telling us more about yourself than anything else. You might think that having obscure interests makes you "cool or special". That's not my motivation, I just enjoy these things and don't want the board dragged down by people who don't understand them. There are so fucking many places you could go and talk about the anime airing this week or whatever. I don't get why you have to come here.

>>9442798
Why do you think the residents jokers came up with all those joke portal, gloryhole and floorshitting thread?
Too bad those kind of threads attracted people that actually do those things.

>>9442774
Touhou is and always was mainstream. That's why I said "slightly less mainstream". It's amazing how people can keep talking about it though, It's as bad as /vg/ having hundreds of KS threads despite it only lasting a few hours.

>>9442798

>/jp/ would be a very slow, boring place

Slow, yes, boring debatable. If all our threads were on-topic and thoughtful then who cares if there was only 1 post per week, it would be worth reading more than 5000 shitposts per day. But that's a utopia anyway, so why argue.

>>9442806
Why are you still here? We are all waiting for you at /bun/.

>>9442793
>Posts typed in a deliberately retarded style is not something we should have to read.
Ironic shitposting has been a great deal around here for a few years, and no, it's not kept in check. I get a feeling that we are browsing two very different /jp/s where I get shitty flan threads with over 100 replies every night and you get an on-topic one. Can we trade?

>>9442806
An "offtopic" thread isn't the same thing as shitposting though.

I get that you're saying that sticking to a narrow range of topics keeps morons from other boards out, but that seems like an unhappy compromise to me.

>>9442804
>It's amazing how people can keep talking about it

No it isn't. It's a huge series. There's more than 10 official games alone. There's more than 100 distinct characters. It has by far the largest amount of fanart and probably every other kind of fanwork of any Japanese series ever. There is almost nothing you could think to discuss that doesn't have some Touhou work related to it. Tons of music, manga, games -- all collected under one umbrella. To have a board dedicated to talking about that is not "amazing" at all.

>>9442804
You dont see people going to /vg/ asking ksfags to get the fuck out with their feel or posting mugen oelvn in ks general.
Why are you acting like such a hypocrite?

Offtopic but what is the exact function of Auto Watch
in 4chan X anyway?I made a thread earlier and enable it but nothing seems to happen?

This board is good as dead. On-topic threads barely get any responses. I am part of the problem too but I don't care.

just checking to see if im banned

pls keep cool and carry on with ur autism aneurisms nerds

>>9442820
I thought you guys hated secondaries, but your entire argument revolves around existence of the secondary scene. It's no different from the shitty Hetalia subculture.

>more than 100 distinct characters

Yeah, there's a lot of dimensionality in the designs. Maybe four dimensions of creativity even! (dress, design gimmick, several lines of speech, hat)

>>9442860a>>9442820
I thought you guys hated secondaries, but your entire argument revolves around the existence of the secondary scene. It's no different from the shitty Hetalia subculture.

>more than 100 distinct characters

Yeah, there's a lot of dimensionality in the designs. Maybe four dimensions of creativity even! (dress, design gimmick, several lines of speech, hat)

>>9442820
I thought you guys hated secondaries, but your entire argument revolves around the existence of the secondary scene. It's no different from the shitty Hetalia subculture.

>more than 100 distinct characters

Yeah, there's a lot of dimensionality in the designs. Maybe four dimensions of creativity even! (dress, design gimmick, several lines of speech, hat)

>>9442631
We should have been more elitist from the start.

>>9442871
>I thought you guys hated secondaries
How new are you? This thread is full of excellent replies which dig straight to the problem and propose good solutions. It's like nobody bothers to lurk. People just stumble here and start posting shit because the front page is already full of it.

>>9442915
I've been here for years.

/jp/ is the closest thing to an English speaking Nijiura when it's not shitted up with nothing but Touhou threads.

>>9442921
I didn't know Nijuura spammed threads about Ron Paul, jews, /pol/ conspiracy, slavs, etc. Honestly, Touhou spam has been on /jp/ since the beginning, and if our board went shit recently, it's surely not mainly because of Touhou.

>>9442762
We have one of the highest percentages of shitposts on 4chan. And don't give me that shit with /v/ as an example of a worse board, that board moves fast and it doesn't matter if an off-topic thread gets posted there since it will be removed from the first page in a matter of one refresh. Shitposts on /jp/ stay on the front page and no one bothers to clean them up for hours. Even the userbase here doesn't ignore it like it should.

>>9442929
Still, it's extremely important for us to mail moot and put on the rules what is and what is not accepted here. I know, I know, if you lurk, you can find by yourself, but you see how hard people try to make excuses about what is and what is not acceptable.

>>9442871
We have official manga and books which give a lot of detail and interaction between the characters.

That doesn't matter anyway though, content is content, official or doujin. There is a ton of content for Touhou; a lot to discuss, with more content every year. You can't compare it to KS.

>>9442664

You missed out /a/

Oh wait, that's because you're an /a/ user who thinks they're accepted here. You're not, go away.

Here's the story of how 4chan turned to shit:

1) /b/ went mainstream and attracted everyone to 4chan
2) The idiots it attracted liked the whole '/b/ culture' meme shit and thought it applied to every other board
3) They go to every other board thinking 'I wonder what culture this place has :D' and try and force a 'culture' onto it by looking at it's memes and archived threads and spamming them all over the board.

4) They've been distracted with the bigger boards like /a/, /b/, /v/ etc. for a while now and they're now bored and want to spread this same shit to the other smaller & slower boards which are content with being small and slow.

5) They post all over the small, slow boards because they're used to /b/, /a/ and /v/ speeds normally posting shit which doesn't belong here or asking 'is ____ /jp/ related?'

6) In an attempt to survive against being drowned out by retard 'i wanna be a 4chan' kids, original members of the slower boards suddenly have to be more active else they get taken over.

7) shitposting is born as a form of ironic trolling and spamming intended to deter these kiddies by showing them how retarded their behaviour is. Kids trying to fit in think it's a meme and spread it all over 4chan accrediting /jp/ as being 'that shitposting place'.

Shitposting is basically now a meme, /jp/ is over and in the future it'll be a meme board for touhou and VNs used by a few /a/ and /v/tards before being closed by moot and replaced with a 'Japanese Games' board.

>>9444227
Imageboard expert coming through.

>>9444244

I know what moot's hair smells like, you bet I'm an expert.

4chan was always shitty/great.

People actively complained about newcomers as far as back as early 2005 and possibly (probably?) earlier.

/jp/ is old /b/ minus the 3D. I wish most of the shitposters weren't so terribly boring though, many of them have transcended "shitposting" and just make simply shitty posts, such things that are completely devoid of humor or wit or irony.

>>9444227
ur mum is a meme lol

>>9444282

>Minus the 3D

You're new here, aren't you?

>>9444227
>replaced with a 'Japanese Games' board.
But will it get rid of the translation threads?

>>9444290
Remind me where the porn threads are on /jp/? You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>9444314

3D != Porn.

We have idol threads all the time.

And stop bumping you fucking ignoramus.

>>9444327
I really don't know how to deal with people like you. You can't understand context, and you don't understand board functions.

Here, have another "bump". Welcome to 4chan.

>>9444282
I've felt the same, too. I think /jp/'s rules should be an unwritten Anime/Random-style none. Obviously, we don't want everyone coming in and ruining the place thinking it's the new /b/ (like with /r9k/'s original incarnation. it actually did start out interesting for the first few days), so it can't be official. I like Touhou and VNs but there's just not enough to talk about to keep the board from stagnating. Some of our best threads are actually off-topic ones that somehow don't get deleted and have insightful posting.

If I like on-topic (deemed by the OP) threads with discussion so much, why don't I go to a normal registration-required forum? It's simple. They don't have the benefits of loosely moderated, anonymous posting. They have the common mentality that post count is equal to credibility. Most proper forums also don't get nearly the activity of even the slowest 4chan boards. There's many reasons I'd rather stay here than move to some other site, despite its failings.

>>9444357

Just go back to /a/ where you can enjoy all your le epic memes and talk to other kids about how 3DPD etc.

>>9444384

This is what A-san preached, too bad the mods are /v/ kids nowadays.

No, they are just retards.

>>9444357

>makes a retarded post
>tries to defend it as shitposting

>>9444400
>anonymous-san

HAHAHAHA

Stupid fucking faggot.

>>9444393
I don't even know what you're trying to say, nor why you've instantly fallen back on ad hominem instead of trying to understand something or merely not responding initially. Why would you even bring up "3DPD" or memes?

"bump".

>>9444400
I don't think it would work anyway. Current board culture, without an official announcement especially, would just have everyone arguing over what content is acceptable without anyone actually posting anything meaningful. It's been happening for a long time and I see no reason it would stop without moderation, suddenly. An official announcement would just spread news around that we're /b/ 2.0 and then suddenly we're spammed with 3D porn, 3D porn, the same rehashed memes from 4 years ago, and whatever else gets posted on /b/ these days. I go back once every few months when /jp/ is exceptionally slow and I'm bored just to see if maybe I could find the rare gem of a thread. All I ever see are the same things these days.

Semi-off topic: I never cared much for memes, but has anyone else noticed that in the past 4-5 years especially they've gotten worse? It's all advice dog spinoffs or stick figures. It seems like the prevalent mindset is to take one of two established formulae and add some new text or a new variation of the picture and suddenly, it's original content. Memes were always spammed on the active boards but at least you got actual new things to see spammed every so often instead of just [square image with alternating rays of color in the background and a picture framed by some text] or [black and white stick figure expressing an emotion].

>>9444697

Yeah memes have gotten worse, they all use that same Advice Dog Format. Even non-4chan memes like Nyan cat is just rip offs of older memes like Caramelldansen etc.

4chan doesn't even have anything worthwhile for me anymore. I post on /jp/ because I'd rather be an actual /jp/ poster than some shiteater that came from another board. Aside from that, 4chan is dead - welcome to what happens when something gets mainstream.

>>9444697
No, the definition of ``meme'' just changed. ninegag and the likes hijacked the term to refer to a set of reaction faces and advice dog spinoffs. Those guys have never seen a meme unless you count #YOLO.

Way too much crybaby internet argument shit in this thread, this is the sort of shit we should be reporting.