/jp/ - Otaku Culture

link pls

I've heard of this book. If you want to scare a NEET into the workforce, this seems to be a fairly effective resource.

Read it and the book has a valid point in presenting the reasons why people become hikkis, though some "healing" methods are questionable to say the least, e.g., the doctor that forcefed his patients with pills.

>>9563445
>forcefed
As in, the doctor just walked up and shoved the pills into his patients' mouth when he wasn't looking?

>>9563458
as in, people in his psych clinic were tied down and had medicine shoved into them

don't remember exactly but I think it cost him his license

>>9563409
I'm not going to buy a book. If you want me to discuss it then give me a link to the whole thing.

>>9563458
as in, people in his psych clinic were tied down and have medicine shoved into them

don't remember exactly but I think it cost him his license

>accidentally misread that as "shitting out the sun"

OP here

I'm actually trying to find a download link atm.

It's not as easy as it may sound.

>>9563480
Same.

I couldn't find any links either. Shame, this thread made me interested.

Well I downloaded the reader guide from OP's link and I found one of the questions interesting since it seems to brought up a lot.

>8. Birthrates are falling in many developed nations around the world, including Italy and France. The author argues that the feminine rebellion is a major cause for the rapid decline in Japan’s birthrate. Is this argument credible? What policies should the Japanese government encourage to stem the tide? Does it matter, or would you be happy to see your country transition from positive to negative growth?

>>9563507
I would love to see all countries slip into negative population growth. However, it seems more entertaining to watch the disaster when global population hits critical mass...

Isn't this the book about the glories of Korea and Jesus?

>>9563522
I'm pretty sure the fractional reserve banking pyramid scheme is going to fail before we hit the point.

>>9563507
>developed nations
>Italy

>>9563522
When global population hits critical mass, what'll happen is probably war. We've had that many times in the course of history with many records of them.

For me, it'll be more entertaining to see human beings die out because of negative population growth, sort of like Calhoun's mouse universe experiment.

Does anyone know any good books about Japan? After reading some Amazon reviews I don't know if this book is any good. A lot of major complaints I've heard for many books written about Japan is that they are written from a western prospective, that may or may not misunderstand and misrepresent things.

I'm not going full weeaboo here, I'm just interested in the subject because Japan seems so enigmatic in ways.

>>9563622
>When global population hits critical mass
That will never happen.

And saying "critical mass" is so gay.

>All jobs are taken and new openings rarely appear, most teenagers/young adults aren't even sure if they'll get one at all
>Niggers in africa have so many children and so little resources that 9/10 don't even survive the first year
>Cities are cramped, it's virtually impossible to walk around in daytime without someone invading your personal space. If you live in a big city like NY or something, you're pretty much going to swin in a river of people
>Housing is insufficient, we live in fucking towers for gods sake, and lack of space on earth for more houses is no longer a ridiculous joke, but an outcome possible in a few centuries or even decades
>China has so many people they're not even treated like humans buy anyone, even themselves

>STILL NEED TO MAKE MORE MANS, GET TO WORK JAPAN

I don't want to sound like an edgy teenager, but there really ARE too many people on earth. And drastic birth control is probably the best solution.

>>9563628
We are all friends here. No need to worry about your Japanese spirit!

(*･∀･)／♡＼(･∀･*)

>>9563653
>And drastic birth control is probably the best solution.

Only if it's through violent culling. The westn doesn't need any more estrogen pollution feminizing the male population.

>>9563480
ARE YOU ME?
I was going to type that until I saw your post

>>9563653
There are too many people in your city, not on earth. Not everywhere on earth is as population dense as your shitty city.

>>9563653
Too many people gathered in big cities. Try going to rural areas in under developed nations, and you'll notice you can still fit many people.

>>9563658
I was just quoting the person above me.

>>9563653
Absolutely fucking right, on all accounts.
And it's just going to keep getting worse, even ignoring more people being born. Japan lost a generation? Good, keep it up!

>>9563653
The thing is, even with overpopulation, Japan doesn't want a declining birthrate because it helps everyone else out but themselves. It would destroy the nation, and I think the nation doesn't want that.

>>9563622
Edgy post of the day award.

>>9563689
You do realize this has negative social impact right?

Depopulation, especially in the demographic it's happening in Japan is going to end up being exponential the way it's going. You have to understand that these people will grow old and die without any offspring. At all.

>>9563692
Something's got to give. To bad nobody wants to be that something.

>>9563701
I didn't consider that...maybe if it was more widespread?

>>9563723
No, we just need to kill everybody after they lose to ability to reproduce.

That'll help a LOT.

>>9563732
excuse i'm retarded

i meant after they've retired.

>>9563732
Swell. Got a realistic idea?

>>9563739
Old scenario : work hard -> enjoy life during retirement
New scenario : work hard -> gets killed afterwards
Now, why would I want to work hard?

>>9563739
>>9563732
Sure. You first. Report to Population Control Execution Center as soon as you hit 60. You won't puss out, will you?
Oh and don't worry, I'm SURE that the goverment won't abuse the power of such an institution.

>>9563701
Why? Japan is already overpopulated. A shrinking population will be troublesome for the first generation, but after that it will be an improvement for everybody.

>>9563745
>Swell. Got a realistic idea?

Sure I do.

First, start a public awareness campaign about how there are insufficient resources to support people who don't pull their weight, and that the old and useless should just kill themselves. You'll see an increase in suicides.

After a while of this, the only old people left will be the selfish and unlikeable ones. Then, it will be very easy to convince the rest of the population to eliminate social services for the elderly. The problem will solve itself from there.

>>9563773
Good. Import the third-world to fill up the spots and watch an entire industrialized nation turn into fucking Detroit.

>>9563784
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM

Stop being retarded.

>>9563784
>>9563784
And what reality is that realistic for? Could you come with a plan for ours, please?

>>9563800
Of course its not TRUE that our resources can't support the population, but that's how I would do it. The lie is quite widely believed, and it is very easy to convince old people that they are a burden.

>>9563801
Our reality. It is too bad that you lack the vision to recognize my brilliance, but I am used to being unappreciated by lesser minds.

>>9563784
>start a public awareness campaign about how there are insufficient resources to support people who don't pull their weight, and that the old and useless should just kill themselves
Whatever politician initiates this can say goodbye to their hopes of a successful future considering the political clout the old and useless have.

>>9563814
>Whatever politician initiates this can say goodbye to their hopes of a successful future considering the political clout the old and useless have.

It wouldn't be the work of an individual politician -- holding a political office doesn't give you any particular ability to purchase commercials, unless you're also independently wealthy. It would be a job for a political action committee, which has no obligation to disclose the identities of its donors.

>>9563814
Anyone who says that elderly need to retest for their driving license will say good bye to their political carry, proposing something like this would just get you killed.

I dunno why people pitch these solutions, if the world would listen to this kinda shit then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

>>9563841
>I dunno why people pitch these solutions, if the world would listen to this kinda shit then we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place.

That's not true at all. That's like saying, "If it were possible to incite racial hatred against the jews, there wouldn't be so many jews around to begin with."

The reason there hasn't been a pogrom against the elderly is that no one really wants to start one. But if someone did, it could have legs.

>>9563814
Isn't this a central plank of Ishihara's administration?

>>9563855
>But if someone did, it could have legs.
Nah.

>>9563855
>But if someone did, it could have legs.

Son, those are gonna be the days Jesus comes back.

Just you wait.

>>9563855
well you can't incite enough racial hatred against the jews to stomp them out, and you can't people to kill their parents.

i read it a few years ago
part of it was good
other parts i skipped over like the economic crap
the stuff about women is stuff like them wanting careers (don't want to give up career to be a housewife, weird because in america you do both career and have a kid by paying for a sitter or whatever) and stuff about freeting (live with parents rent-free while making money at a job, spend it all on yourself). i think there was also some stuff about how all the women want louis vitton bags but that might have been another book.

check your local library because that's where i got mine. that does mean you'd have to leave your house to get there though. scary, i know.

>>9564820

>>9563790
Do they get Robocops?

>>9563628
Modern Japan: A Very Short Introduction from Oxford University Press.

>>9563409
Funny. I stumbled upon and ordered this book a few days before this post.

>>9568290
Has it arrived yet?

>>9568299
Nope. Sometime early-mid next week. From the reviews and comments here seems like it's not godawful at least. Oh well. There isn't exactly an entire library worth of books on hikkis in the first place.

>>9568350
God damn it /jp/.

>>9563800
Now this was the most wonderful piece of information I've encountered in ages.
"It's not happening because it isn't, lel"

>>9563653
It's not the number of people, it's the lack of proper resource management.

>>9563480
Yup.

http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/7108731/

here's a related thread of sorts

As much as the author seems to want this to be a particularly Japanese "problem", it's happening more and more in middle-class America as well. People are living with their parents more often and the average age of marriage is at a record high. Maybe in Europe too; I don't know much about what's happening there.

>>9569090
I thought every gets married at 20 and divorce a few months later.

I am disinclined to read a book about the hikikomori problem. What could I find interesting about that?

>>9569132
www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005061.html
www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr049.pdf

It's up to about 28 for men and 26 for women. But yeah, the divorce rate is about 50% within 20 years. Just in case anyone needs more discouragement from trying.

>>9569090
Post-war baby explosion has caused a major problem here too, in a certain North European country. Middle-aged people cling to their jobs, heavy industry is being transferred to China and youngsters are competing for low-skill jobs with cheap foreign laborers. It's getting quite absurd and increasingly many just refuse to play.

>>9569214
Maybe hikkikomori is the inevitable result of modern society.

lol I thought the title of the book said ``Shitting up /jp/ using /q/''

>>9569214

Don't forget women working. Half of the jobs out there are going to them.

>>9569233

It should be.

with robots doing all the work, the government should just go full socialist and gives us all welfare so we can pursue our own hobbies and not have to go outside and interact with people we hate at jobs we hate.

seriously, it makes the most sense.

in b4 hurr durr obama

I'm just curious /jp/, what makes you interested in material like this?

The majority of you are hikki's yourself, so wouldn't reading something like this technically be discouraging? Maybe it's on the completely opposite spectrum - maybe it's encouraging to you?

Are you just looking for answers for why you're a hikki? Maybe a way to stop being (assuming you want to stop)

Just curious.

Pic unrelated, I just love you.

>>9569917

probably because hikkis are pensive, brooding people. thinkers rather than doers.

im speaking for myself mostly, for me, reading something about hikikomori lifestyle, even if entierly negative, wouldn't be enough to stop me from my hikki inertia.

>>9569917
I mostly just want to criticize it to justify my lifestyle. If someone wrote a book about being a hikki in a positive light it would be better, but I don't think anyone has ever done that, so this is the next best thing.

>>9569917
The book isn't about "How to cure hikkiism 101", it just describes hikkis in Japan, reasons behind it (economic, social, medical, etc.), what's their impact on society and the way the Japanese government is (not) dealing with it. Far from "hikki bad, overachieving member of society good".

"My generation is the worst one ever, we are so doomed, the world is going to end because of all these social problems going on!"

-Every person ever since the beginning of time

>>9565736
I'll check it out.

>>9569961
``You do sound like a retard when you misuse quotes to create a strawman like that"
-Recovering shitposting addict

>>9569975
"Shitposting isn't a problem."

-/jp/

Hikkimori = feminist problem.

empowered WOMYN = death of society.

>>9570009
If men are hikkis, then women might actually have to earn money instead of just spending someone else's. This is a disaster for the feminist movement, since they get their funding from white knights and men they cuckhold regularly.

>>9570008

Shit just noticed somebody already did this.

>>9570010
Ok you're not forcing your faggier than faggot quotes shit on me, fuck off and die.

>>9569961
The world doesn't end, but shit happens occasionally. The world has changed a lot and often. It's almost as if you'd like to curb thinking and discussion in general with comments like that.

>>9569890
It's even more upsetting realizing that 75% of the workforce can be replaced by robots if the governments of the world invested in such an initiative. What a messed up place this planet is.

>>9570027
That could never work.
If no one needs to work there would be no more ranking, crime and consumerism.
What the fuck are normals supposed to do with their life, then?

>>9570052
I often want to kill myself from the absurdity of it all.

>>9569917
>wouldn't reading something like this technically be discouraging?
Discouraging from what? I'm already at the bottom despite having always been a learner more than anything else.
>Are you just looking for answers for why you're a hikki? Maybe a way to stop being (assuming you want to stop)
I know exactly why I'm a shut-in NEET. I got alienated because I was too different. First from my peers, then from my family. I don't want to spend my life doing something that doesn't add any value to anyone's life so that I could buy shit I don't want or need. I'd rather die.

>>9570027
>It's even more upsetting realizing that 75% of the workforce can be replaced by robots if the governments of the world invested in such an initiative. What a messed up place this planet is.

You are overestimating our technical habilities. We are not quite there yet. Maybe in 20 years, who knows.

>>9569917
>The majority of you are hikki's yourself
No. I find it pretty difficult to imagine the vast majority of /jp/ being NEET/truNEET - even the people in this thread. They may be rather reclusive/anti-social introverts but all the ones that I've ever talked to are in uni or working a professional career. Some don't even care about maintaining the truNEET shit-on-floor facade here anymore. Personally I'm just interested in learning more about the phenomenon especially since I can relate on a few aspects.

The problem with lowering birthrates is that the global economy is pretty much based on growth. If the workforce shrinks, so will the economy.

>>9570195
Not the vast majority perhaps, but there's probably a fair amount of dropouts living with parents, people on welfare and so on.

>>9570208
don't worry, niggers and arabs are still there

>>9570213
Still not sure I'd go and call the majority hikkis though. True permanent shut-ins are rare. Oh well, no point in splitting hairs and it's off-topic anyways.

So Is Hikikomori the same as agoraphobia or something different?

I was professionally diagnosed GAD agoraphobic for 13 years (I wear 12~ year old clothes and shoes from high school) I am 26 now - don't leave room unless its for a doctors appointment when something is bleeding or festering

>>9563764
Men remain fertile throughout their entire lives. The oldest man to father offspring in the Guiness book of records was 93 years old.

>>9570027
McDonalds tried that. Their workers already follow a robot-like list of instructions on food preparation, so they tried with building a 100% robotic restaurant. The cost of running that is still higher than manual labour.

Though I should note that they tried it in China, so maybe the local price of manual labour was just ridiculously low.