Dungeon Crawlers thread

[Anonymous No.]

Why was the dungeon crawlers thread deleted? Was it because of the post image? Or too many download links?

In any case let's continue to talk about them here and not do whatever it was we did that we weren't supposed to do.

What have you been playing lately? What are you looking forward to? For newcomers what should we play what should we not.

Instructions for a Generation Xth 1-3 / Students of the Round / Meikyu X Blood pack (site won't let me post the link)
Google "Meikyuu Cross Blood pc download -360 -xbox -xbox360" without the quotes, in the first page there's a bts.ph link with a torrent that is still seeding.

[Anonymous No.]

This doesn't look like a point-proving-counter-shitposting thread at all.

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Does anyone know how to launch Meikyuu Cross Blood in window mode? config.exe is obviously in Japanese and I can't find it.

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>>10439688
A what? I don't know what that is (I'm new here) I just liked the previous thread and it never went overboard with anything which is why I was confused when I woke up and it was gone.

And I've seen people making new threads when the old got deleted, the rules/board culture doesn't seem to frown upon that.

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>>10439695
>I'm new here

>What have you been playing lately? What are you looking forward to?

Clever.

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>>10439702
? You need to chill with the conspiracy theories. Not everything is done with some kind of hidden agenda. I got months and months of games out of the last thread, I wrote that so newcomers can get them too. Please leave if you don't intend to contribute to the thread.

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>>10439690
Have you heard of google? You can also kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks for the link OP, I couldn't find those games at all.

>>10439690
I would also like to know this.

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>>10439711
I tried Google and there's no guide.

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>>10439781
Dude there aren't that many options, just pick stuff until you get windowed mode.

[Anonymous No.]

The nigger never answer what this game was

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>>10440306
I can answer that for you.

It's secondary shit.

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>>10440306
Labyrinth of Touhou 2

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>>10440306
I'm excited for Parsee.

>>10387138

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>>10440306
Looks like Labyrinth of Touhou 2.
http://www.geocities.jp/aaa_3peso/THL2/top.htm

Looks like the site offers the first one too, though not in English so I don't know.

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Is the artist who did art for Touhou Labyrinth 1 also doing the art for Labyrinth 2? Because he really improved a lot if it's the same one.

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>>10439682
That torrent is on nyaa too.

[Anonymous No.]

Finishing up the remnants on my VH chaos run of Gears of Dragoon and I'm starting to wonder: are there some sort of non-obvious extra effects on abilities I am missing on the characters Jill, Alma, Maria, Kaora, Ninja that seem to make them the backbones of most parties? or is it just for their flexibility?

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>>10439690
Doesn't it start in a window? It's ウィンドウ anyway.

It's kind of weird how the neutral gender player character in Students of Round is forced to have this super manly voice.

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>>10441465
Thanks

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>>10439682
those aren't translated right?

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>>10441807
They aren't. I'm playing them for the mood, the art and the gameplay. The story would just be a bonus at this point. (an english patch is being worked on somwhere for the first Generation Xth game)

[Anonymous No.]

Playing through Unchained Blades right now and really liking it (it's my first dungeon crawler). What do you recommend I play next? (in English preferably)

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>>10442112
On the PSP? There's Class of Heroes.

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>>10442134
Or on PC too. I'm all for a good story but great art would be my priority since I'll be staring at it a lot.

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>>10442112
In the same situation

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>>10442134
That one sucks

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>>10447146
The ps3 versions of 2+ and 3 are way better than the first shitty one we got. That's why it sucks Monkey paw dropped the ball completely instead of releasing it during a drought.
If you are looking for 'authentic' nothing is going to beat the XTH stuff.

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>>10447146
Well it's not like you have a huge selection of stuff in English.

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of CoH

http://www.gaijinworks.com/

[Anonymous No.]

I'm apparently not the only whose first dungeon crawler is Unchained Blades (thank you Xseed) but I have a question:
My MPs and HPs drain super fast and I keep having to go back to town, heal it all, and go back to the dungeon (i'm only at the start on the second floor of the temple of trials). Is that normal or am I doing something wrong?

Also I feel like the game never told me how to recruit new followers. Off to google I go.

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>>10448674
Short trips are normal in many of these games. You're not usually a self-sustaining army, though that is the case in some games.

Hit enemies over and over at under 50% HP to unchain them.

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>>10448395
Seem like cool guys, with trying to get a game out with only an expectation of very low thousands of copies and all.

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>>10448783
Yes, back row characters work well for this. If I remember right the status spells that deal no damage also count as a chance to proc chain.

>>10448792
Yeah, seems cool. I'm thinking I'll buy a physical one and lend out the umd while using the digital one on my unhacked vita since I don't usually carry my hacked one.

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>>10446829
The music is great too.
http://www.demongaze.jp/special/caaign_50000.html

It seems that it has been quite successful in Japan as well.
Sold out completely at launch. Then they re-stocked and it kept selling like hot-cakes.

>>10446845
>Too lewd
Hopefully its success will make them have a go at it anyway. Let's just hope that they don't edit/censor it. Mugen Souls was a disaster.

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How the fuck do you recruit followers in Unchained Blades. I need 5 to progress in the story.

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>>10451329
You need to slap their shit then you can randomly get an unchain chance.

You hit the unchain buttan and they get trapped.

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>>10451329
It's kind of like catching pokemon in pokemon, except you keep torturing the poor bastards before capturing them, instead of throwing an orb of some sorts at them.

The higher the charisma ranks of your party is, the higher the chances of the enemies being put in the "unchained status".
The lower their HP is, the more likely you they are to be inflicted with the "unchained status".
Every time you attack an enemy, it has a chance to be put into the "unchained status".

In short, have them be at approximately 50% HP or less. And then just beat them up with as many attacks as possible without killing them.
How much damage you inflict doesn't matter, so you could go at them with consecutive 1damage attacks from the 50% mark and then just keep on chugging at them until they hopefully submit.

And the higher your charisma rank, the easier it is.
And the lower their HP, the easier it is. That is to say, a 1damage attack at 50% HP can put them in unchained status, one at 25% is more likely, and one at <10% or <5% would be even more likely to put them in unchained status.

So be free to attack with your backrow mage for 1 damage each turn, or unequip the weapons of your party. Good armor/high defence helps so that you don't suffer too much damage as you hit them.

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>>10451445
>>10451545
Thanks a lot anons. I've managed to capture one and unlock the Titan Darius area. I usually kill them in one blow so I had to lower the health bit by bit with the healer medusa girl.

Question though: she just leveled up, and on the skill map I'm connected to [Area Heal] but it won't let me activate it with my SPs. What is that about? Unless this is a story thing/a part of the gameplay I haven't unlocked.

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>>10451670
If you haven't realized yet, the skills in the center of every grid are usually big skills that are worth a lot of SP. They ripped off that grid system from FFX if you didn't realize that either, you might as well learn how it worked in FFX and then you'll know how it works in Unchained series.

You're supposed to learn the surrounding skills in order to unlock them. It can be tedious and misleading, giving you crappy surrounding skills for a decent/mediocre mid one, or the mid one itself could be shitty and pointless to take.

Certainly not a semi-linear game I would play without a lot of planning.

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>>10451696
I thought about that but I unlocked other center skills without doing everything around it and just 1 sp so I thought that wasn't it. It doesn't seem to say how many SPs you need though, oh well. Thanks.
(and no I didn't play FFX)

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>>10442112
I'm playing that too! On chapter two now and just met Ariel. Dohohoho, that was hidoi...

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>>10448674
Yeah, once your level is about par with the area (as in your exp bar gains aren't really high anymore) there are often many shortcuts you can unlock, such as opening a previously jammed door from the other side or turning on power to the elevator.

Also, an alternative is to have Mari (loli 4th character in first chapter) make a beeline to the top right corner of the skilltree where she gains two passives to automatically heal your party a little for free (while you walk and after every battle), making her like Princess from Etrian Odyssee III. However, this is up to you, because that means you will be avoiding good skills and making her comparatively useless in combat.

[Anonymous No.]

While it's too bad they completely botched the timing, there is a chance for a physical and download combo release on Class of Heroes 2. Check out http://www.gaijinworks.com/ if you are interested.
Hopefully the company can get its act together and pursue some of the other small dev games that would never get localized.

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>>10450858
DG lasted a bit longer than I expected. A few hours of grinding for the last boss but I never really idled.

Still have to finish the post-game dungeon and then it's onto the boss rush.

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Is Elminage Original worth my time?

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>>10454905
I say it is. It's not as good as the other Elminage games, but it's still solid.
The world presented is also vibrant, and it's quite good for a Wizardry game.

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http://www.gaijinworks.com/

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>>10455757
You guys already posted your site like a zillion times.

[Anonymous No.]

After reading what X-Blood is about, I was so hyped for it I figured I could learn the gameplay via trial and error as I go along, like all the Japanese games I've played so far.

Impossible. There is too much text and too many sub menus.

Could anyone here who understands Japanese provide a rough translation of the different options? (on a screenshot would make things much easier).

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>>10446845
there any sexy scenes with the red head with the scar like this?

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>>10457047
Anyone?

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>>10458693
The game is getting a fan translation soon, and beyond that there is a PSV port coming with some potential for official localization.

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Does EO count?

I'm excite for EO4.

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>>10459238
wheres the fan translation? is this for pc?

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http://www.nyaa.eu/?page=torrentinfo&tid=184074
is this the torrent for the pc version of Meikyu X Blood? also where is the translation website and is it almost done?

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and i just found out this game has a fantranslation almost out too
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508152
is this the first game? is there one for Students of the Round? I cant find the Meikyu X Blood translation project.

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how is Elminage /jp/? also i heard something like the translation is bad, is this true?

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>>10459373
>>10459360
Anybody? I need some info on what going on with the translation of these games and which ones are getting them..

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>>10459406
http://iwakuraproductions.wordpress.com/2013/01/26/generation-xth-code-hazard-pc-fan-translation-2/

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>>10459449
>http://iwakuraproductions.wordpress.com/2013/01/26/generation-xth-code-hazard-pc-fan-translation-2/
thanks, this seems to be also his project form
http://kudomuramasa.foramu.net/
Any idea on if its gonna be out soon?

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>>10459449
This isn't for Cross Blood though. That's what I'd really like a guide for.

[Anonymous No.]

If someone could at least help me with what the hell I'm supposed to do for the first mission (picture related).
Or how one uses items/buys gear (if that's even a thing). I'm not sure how to heal my party once their health gets low. I found a way to pay the ICU to heal them but I can't see that being the only option: I already don't have enough money to do it a second time.

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>>10459981
Would also like to know. I've explored all of the two floors and read all the stuff there was to read. The only thing I can't do is defeat the two minibosses (one per stage) which I don't think I'm suppose to fight yet. They one hit kill each of my character.

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>>10459981
says something about an unusual hidden facility in a old school building, and the fact that CPO themselves didn't know about the existence of it is strange.

[Anonymous No.]

You guys probably missed the secret door at x:7 y:9 on the first floor. It's pretty straightforward from there.

http://spoiler.sakura.ne.jp/srv/xbl/E694BBE795A52FE382AFE382A8E382B9E38388.html

That's a quest guide

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>>10460318
>http://spoiler.sakura.ne.jp/srv/xbl/E694BBE795A52FE382AFE382A8E382B9E38388.html
>>10460325
THANK YOU SO MUCH THANK YOU

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>>10460325
Now that I've regained my composure, I'm not sure how I was supposed to find this hidden door.

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>>10460325
And since you seem to understand the game, what's the "BRAVE/MAGIC/ACADEMY" thing about?

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>>10460341
Well Noriko tells you about the search function as you enter that area.

>>10460382
Different union attacks. Brave is an attack, Magic is a barrier, and then I think Academy lets you always run.

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>>10460416
Ah okay. Thank you a LOT for that since there's no guide nowhere in English. You are a lifesaver.
I'll reask the question from above if that's okay: how does gear work in this? Is there a shop where you buy stuff, can anyone wield anything, etc?

And as a sidenote, the number of MP is really low (like 3 or 2 for characters that have magic abilities).

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>>10440526
No. Art is being done by eho_(icbm).

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>>10460450
Your job and what weapons you can equip is determined by the Blood Code you choose when making your character (those 20 demon type things you could select from). That site I posted has a list of what's what.

And this is where you craft, buy, sell, and manage your storage (データバンク). You can probably figure it out from messing around.

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>>10460727
Ah okay. I'll Google translate my way through the site you posted. I hope you check back in this thread sometimes, you seem to be the only other english speaking person playing this game.

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>>10461389
Sure. I don't know how far I'll get since I kind of want to wait for the vita version.

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>>10460727

Where does one acquire this game?

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>>10462637
Read the first post

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>>10461616
Ah okay. I don't have a Vita though so I'll be sticking with the PC version.
I'm a bit confused about why psy and tran do though.

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>>10462878
what* not why..

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>>10462649

There is nothing about where to get the game in the post...

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>>10463506
Then I guess you can't read English.

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>>10463506
Read it again, but this time read it up to the last word.

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>>10463526
>>10463555

You guys are faggots; there is nothing in the post that says where to get the actual game.

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>>10463587
It literally does.

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>>10459332
>I'm excite for EO4.
Everyone are, but it's region locked.

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Do the EO games have any story or character interactions?

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>>10468135
each game has a story, but it's not really at the forefront
and there are fun character interactions with npcs, stuff like that

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>>10468135
no

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>>10468135
There are cute and helpless Kouhais who get in over their heads all the time.

But if I were to sum it down, I guess I could say that you don't interact much with other NPCs, but it's always entertaining when you do.

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>>10448395
How long have they been running this? And how long has it been advertised?
I remember that their kickstarter ended about at the same time I heard of it.

They should do a better job at marketing themselves.

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Did they skimp out on giving the 'Ninja' of EO4 the ability to attack from the back row with full damage on melee? That kind of sucks. I guess I'll just be hoping one of the unlockable damage classes is a back row one.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know where to find Touhou avatars for Elminage? I'm surprised I can't find any packs on Google.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't been on /jp/ in a long while but it's nice to see a dungeon crawler thread.

I'm really looking forward to EO IV (the demo was fantastic) and Soul Hackers. Just finished Wizardry - Tale of the Forsaken Land on PS2 and playing Wizardry - Labyrinth of Lost Souls on PS3 at the moment. I've never really gotten into the doujin dungeon crawlers to be perfectly honest.

Unchained Blades was alright but the Class of Heroes game on PSP was pretty bad. Elminage was awesome but localization was terrible.

But yeah, EO IV demo was fucking fantastic. Looking around is an extremely nice touch and unbelievable the 3D effect is also great.

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>>10476581
What elements made Class bad? Is the upcoming English release of Class of Heroes 2 worth getting excited about?

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These threads are still here? I remember starting up Busin 0 again a while back because of these threads, but I got bored around the third floor and put it away. That game probably has the ugliest female dwarfs I have ever seen.

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>>10476645
CoH is a standard wizardry clone with some bits of polish. The game difficulty itself is either average (or slightly leaning towards easy) for that type. The endgame wasn't impressive. it was easily breakable.
2 is better in most respects except for that race limitations on classes though it is still just as easy to break.

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>>10476687
Also what made Elminage awesome?

I put both that and Class off just because they have random stat gains, which I really dislike in a genre where part of the appeal is to have ultimate characters as payoff for all your grinding.

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>>10476710
What? It has the standard wizardry gains. You have a certain 'target' based on your level+race+class that the game is working towards. There is no reason to scum for gains. You can hack 99 str at level 1 and you'll lose str every level until you get within +5 or so of your target.
Stat maxing is endgame grinding, just like it is everywhere else.

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>>10476581
how is Wizardry - Tale of the Forsaken Land?
also which original Wizardry games are the best? how is 8?

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>>10476514
>Does anyone know where to find Touhou avatars for Elminage?
Not Touhou, though I have this link.
http://www.speedyshare.com/dve29/over-200-elminage-compatible-etrian-odyssey-portrait-icons.7z

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>>10476752
Different guy, but it's pretty good. I played through about 50% of it on the emulator after the Wizardry Online CBT ended.

Somehow my computer was too crappy to continue emulating it beyond the floor with lots of ninja enemies. I'm not sure why but ninja enemies utterly destroy my FPS, dragging it down from like 40 avg to about 0.3. On the floor I gave up in, there were often groups of 4+ ninjas, so I just had to quit. There's something wrong with the emulator and those ninjas, or maybe the build of it had, other people reported the same problem on other poor computers, and people with better computers reported no issue.

Also Wizardry 8 is a fair bit different from the older ones. The Japanese Wizardries are more like the early Wizardry games (and things like EO etc).

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>>10476792
Is there any point to play the older Wizardry games? Wizardry 8 looks really good so im gonna try that. Im gonna burn the ps2 game and play it on my ps2 with swap magic so i should be able to play it fine.

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>>10476752
Tale of the Forsaken Land is fantastic, assuming you look the Wizardry "theres some dark shit going on in this dungeon" fantasy theme. Which I happen to love.

Wizardry VIII is good too but sort of different than typical Japanese dungeon crawler stuff. Wizardry IV is also very good, to me.

And obviously if you guys haven't played them SMT 1&2 are classics.

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>>10476805
Play the PS2 game first and if you like it go to the older PC games. If you like them there is a point to playing them but I daresay they will be quite dated to a lot of people.

The Dark Spire on DS is also awesome and has the old school cRPG vibe and humor but has all the things that make these games seem dated, intentionally, for better or worse.

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>>10476839
>The Dark Spire
thanks, the Dark Spire looks really good.

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>>10476839
I forgot about the Dark Spire, I need to give that a shot sometime. Will probably put it off for now though because I finish Unchained Blades recently and EO4 is coming in about 2 weeks. I'm so glad Japan is keep this older style alive.

Some of the Western "updates" to the style are kind of neat too. Grimrock was a neat attempt at an evolved dungeon-crawler.

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>>10476994
Sure, Grimrock was pretty alright. There are many, many good first person dungeon crawlers out there but aren't so similar to the style Japanese like.

Might and Magic VI- The Mandate of Heaven for example is fantastic.

[Anonymous No.]

I wish there was a Dungeon Crawler game with fucking third person battles. I mean come on even smt 5 is first person again. I want to see my characters and weapons and different amour. they are making even 3d enemies, but they cant show your character? the only Dungeon Crawler i can think of with third person battles is persona 1 and 2.

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>>10477002
You're right, I guess Grimrock was probably more like the half-way point between (Japanese Wizardry) and things like Might and Magic.

And yeah, M&M6 is one of my favorite games ever. I wish I had my giant oldbox still, but in poor foresight, I threw them all away because of their bulk.

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>>10477020
wii version of baroque
also it's smt 4

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>>10477032
you think them going third person in nocturne would stay, but there going backwards.. I'm kinda pissed off about it. Hopefully persona 5 will update the rpg system and make all the moves actually look different, instead of the same moves over and over again, but you know how atlus is with effort.

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We already know SMT4 will suck due to the save anywhere bullshit.

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>>10477052
I mean i really dont get it, for smt 4 they went to the problem of actually making a 3d third person view for traveling around, yet they still have the person lame battles. For etrian odyssey they fucking made 3d monsters , but they didn't make it 3rd person? why?I just want to see my characters with all the weapons and amour you buy....
>>10477032
baroque is not really a rpg though.

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>>10477052
I think it's more of a budget thing to be perfectly honest.

But let's look at this logically for a second, Persona 5 is in development for what we assume will be HD platforms. Kaneko isn't working on SMT IV. Atlus and Intelligent Systems are co-developing an RPG for the Wii U.

Kaneko is probably working on new demon assets for HD platforms.

I prefer first person battles anyway, they are much better pace for me. People speak about perspective changes being barring but then Devil Survivor had the same extreme perspective shift.

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>>10477072
Because it takes more work and therefore more money. Many traditionalists in the genre (really big in Japan) also like the first person view more anyway.
Basically it's a lose/lose.

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>>10477064
Is that seriously a thing?

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>>10477086
save anywhere, easy mode, pay to revive and lose nothing after death
can't wait to see what else they'll announce

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>>10477064
Also lets not forget we will get shitty altus English dubs and no jp audio. even fire emblem did it yet altus wont because they are gay.
>>10477078
but its reallky not that big of a different, i mean etrian odyssey has 3d monsters, they couldn't make your characters 3d? also smt made full 3d environments, they fucking couldn't make the battles 3d? the one thing that actually counts? I would rather have a 2d world and 3d battles.

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>>10477092
meh, etrian odyssey is a first person series, people who are big fans of those games like the first person
and smt has all sorts of variety, but is traditionally first person
personally, I would've liked everything to be first person, but have 3d animations and stuff like eo4

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>>10477102
I'm with this gentleman.

I would hate for EO to be third person, a lot.

I think a lot has been reasonably explained in this thread. Making 3D models in EO makes sense as it is a decently selling franchise they'll probably make more sequels to. It'd have to be done at some point.

Kaneko is probably doing HD demons for SMTxFE.

I've never really seen SMT as a series where I look at animations, armor, weapons etc and have no problem with SMT IV design choices personally.

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>>10477090
That's not good but I think pay to revive will end up costing absurd amounts and losing nothing at death would only be linked to that I'd imagine.

Meh I'll just force artificial difficulty on myself and only save in town.

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>>10477125
Sadly first person battles make me not want to spend money on them. I might not buy etrian odyssey 4 and even smt 4 because of it. these types of games aren't worth more than 10-15 bucks because of the amount of effort the makers don't put in them. they most aren't worth 40 dollars thats for sure. Ill get them maybe when the 3ds has a fladcart, the same with soul hackers. Also, what with all the fucking dungeon crawlers coming out? what happened to jrpgs? why are they making so many dungeon crawlers for the 3ds all of a sudden?

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>>10477145
why are you complaining about dungeon crawlers in a dungeon crawler thread? these aren't rpgs, they aren't meant to compete with big rpgs
if you don't like dungeon crawlers, fine, but don't come into a thread about them and complain

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>>10477145
Well Soul Hackers is an (old) port anyway.

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>>10477154
No i like them but they need more effort in them. the first person battles needs to move on. it could be an amazing genre if some effort was put into 3d battles. if all the weapons/amour actually went on your characters and such. It just sucks that these games have to suffer with lazy 2d battles even in 2013. I mean even smt 4, man what the fuck.

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>>10477145
You know you are posting in a dungeon crawler thread right?

Most people in here including me think you sound like a fucking idiot. All you are doing is crying over not seeing your characters and ignoring intricate dungeon design, the fantastic soundtrack EO in particular has and the sheer amount of content. To think little effort was put into these games if frankly absurd and childish.

And importantly, a game like EO in third person, the perspective change would kill the dungeons and the way it's played. Instead of being an immersive window into a labyrinth it becomes a barren corridor walking game. The perspective in EO is actually integral to the design.

If you think they made some mistake with SMT IV despite having all of this explained multiple times and the fact Atlus are a very low budget developer/publisher then that's too bad, but you've made no effort at understanding at all.

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>>10477168
They just don't have enough for me i guess. I mean i dont see the point of even getting demons in smt if you cant even see them, they could easily all have the same name. same thing with EO you might as well have all the weapons and amour have the same name. I mean it made sense in 1988 but they could do better now.

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>>10477168
Also atlus made persona 3 and 4 which had 3d battles and so did smt 3. they are just being lazy.

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>>10477168
For EO i get it but for a game like smt 4 where you collect demons, you really should be able to see them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477182
it seems like you're just complaining about some superfluous graphics thing and ignoring all the actual work and content in these games
frankly, I'm glad there are companies out there like atlus who would rather have lots of content, well designed dungeons, nice looking art, etc., then some arbitrary third person models
plus, smt4 has third person models, and you can change your appearance, it's just battles that are in first person

if first person dungeon crawlers aren't for you, that's fine, but please don't shit up this thread with your complaining, it isn't conducive to anything

>>10477196
would you rather have them reuse sprites or 3d models that would look like shit on 3ds? besides, there have been screen shots of battles with dozens of demons at once, something that couldn't be done if they used 3d models

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477163
Sounds like what you want is a normal jrpg preferably with a class system. Well, you are in luck because those are common as hell.
Also, 3d looks like shit unless they put a ton of work into it. making 40 good looking models (for all classes), a good 3d effect system, and a unique armor graphic for each armor and weapon takes money. Lots.

>>10477196
If having a first person view during battle with pictures of the demon instead of 3d models would have ruined nocturne for you, I don't even know what to say. It's such a minor issue that can be nice to have, but by no means does it inherently add much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477185
And both of those games had extremely boring and linear dungeons.

I don't know how many times it has to be said, it's probably not laziness but a budget thing. Why are you people ignoring that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477201
they wouldn't reuse sprites or 3d models and they wouldn't look like shit. Its the 3ds not the ds.
>>10477209
no, i want a dungeon crawler wit 3d battles..
>>10477209
you don't see your demons at all, since its all in first person. its really boring and lame. nocture realky fixed this but then they go ass backwards the 3d walking around in smt 4 is retarded and a waste of time. I would rather have nice 3d models and 3d battles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477213
>extremely boring and linear dungeons
All dungeon crawlers have that, even eo 4. its just different rights or lefts, whats the big deal? you really cant make a first person dungeon crawlers not " boring and linear"

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477213
Atlus has more than enough money to make 3d battles. everyone knows they are lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477236
I mean they reused the same attacks over and over for persona 3 and 4 for different moves. the only time they weren't lazy with the battle system was persona 1 and 2 which had all different animations for every move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477220
They would reuse assets because they are only creating new assets now.. And they aren't made of money. SMT IV will be lucky to sell 500K worldwide.

But seriously this is a useless situation because you aren't responding to anyone and just repeating yourself. The only SMT game you can like by your definition is Nocturne so nobody here cares.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477252
Im saying Nocturne was a step forward for the genre, thats all. im just disappointed they went backwards. And the more effort they put into it , the more money they make. the only reason they might not have the funds is there own fault for not trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477236
I find that doubtful. They have at least 3-4 games in development. And even if they have, what will they do? Take Kaneko off of console development? Put someone who isn't Kaneko onto SMT IV?

I honestly don't see the problem here. As someone else pointed out we've seen screens with a LOT of demons that wouldn't be possible in 3D. They could exploit the perspective and add something new to gameplay, but people want to bitch about not seeing some animation.

I honestly don't see the problem here. Maybe because I've been playing games like these too long but I seriously couldn't give a fuck either way apart from preferring first person in some instances.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477281
I think you have no idea what you are talking about.

These are very niche sub-genre of games. Adding 3D battles will do fuck all for making them money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477236
they were nearly bankrupt a few years ago
they can't compete with the likes of se

>>10477281
nocturne is a jrpg
dungeon crawlers and jrpgs are not one and the same

I think you're missing the big picture too, the core fans of dungeon crawlers could care less about fancy 3d models and the like
no one cares about the fringe jrpg players who might want to try an actual dungeon crawler, but will more than likely just end up complaining about one thing or another

now please, give it a rest, you aren't going to convince anyone here and no one is going to convince you, you're just ruining the thread at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477300
the better the game, the more it sells.
>>10477290
they should have so many demons on the screen then, because first person battles with 30 demons you cant see doesn't increase gameplay or fun. its just 30 more of your invisible main character attacking with a white 2d slash 30 more times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477323
>the better the game, the more it sells.
so the latest cod is the greatest game of all time?

>30 demons you cant see
but you can see them, you can see their sprites, and the sprites have animations

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477315
but thats the problem you are just stuck in your genres. you can take a game like eo 4 and give it third person battles. its still a dungeon crawler but with more content and effort. you see a game like smt really needs a third person battle system because then there is just no point in collecting all the demons at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477329
>but you can see them, you can see their sprites, and the sprites have animations
What are you talking about in the trailer it was just first person battles, you dont see your demons at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477330
>you are just stuck in your genres

so the fuck what? there are PLENTY of games with 3d models that you can play instead, let us enjoy our few first person crawlers

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477340
> few first person crawlers
the 3ds is getting nothing but them.
its about time they move up and advance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477339
you can be in a battle against dozens of enemy demons
you see all of their sprites
the one that comes to mind is the shot fighting king frost and he has a ton of little jack frosts with him

and you see your own demons sprites on the bottom screen

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477347
>the 3ds is getting nothing but them.

what? eo4, soul hackers, unchained blades? wow, three whole games, nothing but right?

and don't say smt4 is a first person crawler, because all of the actual "crawling" is in third person

just fuck off already, god
I can't believe I'm still responding to you
we're both just banding our heads against the wall at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477330
This might be hard for you to understand I don't fucking know.

For one thing you see your demons in portraits. But more importantly LOOKING at your demons isn't the fucking point. Playing the game is, spending time trying to fuse a perfect team of demons is why people play SMT. Not to look at pretty pictures.

What's next, you want a 5 hour introduction and a story heavy experience?

And whoever was saying EO can be third person with "more effort" another pointless idea you idiots keep trying to force misses the entire point of why EO exists.

3DS has a lot of dungeon crawlers, yes. Soul Hackers is a game we should have gotten 15 years ago. EO is EO for fans of dungeon crawlers. SMT IV is SMT with first person battles.

Atlus actually supports the 3DS with localizations so go bitch to SE about Bravely Default instead of shitting up a thread about these games people like. Everyone here hates the stupid idea of EO being third person because it was made for people like us who want old school dungeon crawler gameplay.

This is getting really stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

Boy. You guys try so hard with the XDFANBOY shitposts that even the real fanboys are left in the dust.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477330
It's a matter of preference but you're really posting in the wrong thread. It's just an appeal that doesn't resonate with you. It's like going on /jp/ or /a/ and saying "Why are these drawings so unrealistic? The artists are being lazy; they should invest in art school and learn how to draw like Gear of War artwork!"

[Anonymous No.]

I like how Shining the Holy Ark did it. They kept the first person view, but it would show your character attacking during battle instead of a just simple weapon effect. I wish more of these game did that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477470
Similar solution to Dragon Quest series. They'll never get rid of their iconic first person battle screen, but show character animation for certain abilities.

[Anonymous No.]

I find it slows it down way too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477470
Sol Trigger did that recently, though it wasn't really first-person as a whole

[Anonymous No.]

>>10477525
I stopped playing DQ VIII after 8 or so hours. It was so slow.

I also can't play Ni no Kuni. I tried but the combat system is just so fucking abysmal I can't put myself through it.

[Anonymous No.]

[(ﾟ 3ﾟ) Onsokumaru !!f6Tejk6TlLT No.]

http://kudomuramasa.foramu.net/t4-releases-latest-english-demo-10
Code Hazard demo is out

[Anonymous No.]

>>10481711
>http://kudomuramasa.foramu.net/t4-releases-latest-english-demo-10
sweet, how is this game story wise any way? does it end with a cliff hanger since it continues with 2 and 3?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10481762
>>10481711
This guy is retarded, hes trying to get legal rights instead if just translating the full game. why even bother. just look what happened to steins gate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10481776
>hes trying to get legal rights instead if just translating the full game. why even bother.
need of money?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10481776
>steins gate
Still waiting for the non-prematurely released patch...
I want to have faith in that it will happen this year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10481776
EXP is actually very open about wanting to break outside of Japan. I still doubt this project will go anywhere unless the translator is willing to handle the entire business by themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10481711
how long is this? I dont want to spend time on something thats only 30 minutes..

[Anonymous No.]

Been playing Labyrinth of Touhou since I heard the 2nd one was announced. I have been using a Sayori art pack for my CharaGraph character art. It's good, but I've been making some alternatives using some different art for certain characters. Here, if anyone's interested:

mediafire.com/?oo614kj77vma2

[Anonymous No.]

Been playing Labyrinth of Touhou since I heard the 2nd one was announced. I have been using a Sayori art pack for my CharaGraph character art. It's good, but I've been making some alternatives using some different art for certain characters. Here, if anyone's interested:

mediafire.com/?oo614kj77vma2

[Anonymous No.]

>>10485883
Oh that's great. Might actually use this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10486194
I'll be adding a few more over the next few days as I play the game.

Here is the CharaGraph pack I was using. It may be helpful as a base since not every character has alternate art. It's what I used to start with, although it's missing a few since Sayori hasn't drawn every character.

mediafire.com/?vy6gvmwv2l62old

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else playing Gears of Dragoon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10490972
I'd imagine that most people already finished it by now. There is an English menu patch for 1.04. Make sure you don't stay on 1.0 since it has some save corrupting bugs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10481776
Would he still release his patch even if the developers disagreed to his work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10487978
mediafire.com/?04zo5xbv3gxsi7b
Updated CharaGraph since Kanako was not correct.