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Elona Thread - Perhaps we should move to /vg/ EDITION? Anonymous Tue Sep 29 11:51:19 2015 No.14159388 [Reply] [Original]

>Slightly Stale Pasta
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pls update

>Previous Threads
https://archive.moe/jp/search/text/Elona/type/op/

>Wiki
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki

>Previous thread
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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 12:19:32 2015 No.14159488 >>14159388 >perhaps we should move to /vg/ I don't see a problem with this

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:02:59 2015 No.14159641 Whenever you feel the need to add ``edition'' to your thread's title, it's due time to FUCK OFF to /vg/. You're the cancer that killed the spirit of 4chan long ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:22:35 2015 No.14159736 >>14159641 >``edition'' >`` >" Your lack of consistency bothers me

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:33:05 2015 No.14159772 >>14159736 You wouldn't happen not to know about ``EXPERT'' quotes, now would you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:36:54 2015 No.14159787 >>14159641 I only added the 'Edition' because the last OP added 'Edition'. Should I not do so next time? Would that be A-OK with you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:38:06 2015 No.14159792 >>14159488 No please Elona is a Japanese doujin roguelite

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 13:46:07 2015 No.14159808 >>14159792 That doesn't mean it can't be in /vg/. Now if nobody else likes the idea then we just keep it here and everybody is happy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 20:59:23 2015 No.14161132 I was inspired by the anon in the last thread to make a Yerles strike force team for my next go around. But I was gonna have a unique sprite for the waifu soldier. Anyone got tips on making sprite art?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:06:12 2015 No.14161530 >>14159388 The /vg/ crowd has a different atmosphere and there is twice as much shit posting over there. Just saying.

Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:09:47 2015 No.14161539

>>14161530
To add to this. Just visit the ragnarok online general in /vg/ as an example of what I'm talking about. I love going to that thread for laughs at people going ape shit and throwing their shit at each other. I'd rather keep the Elona thread here on /jp/ personally.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 29 23:33:23 2015 No.14161573 Elona threads have been a part of /jp/ since 2008. Why would you want to move them to /vg/ now? Also, the other thread is still alive. And on page 8.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 05:14:42 2015 No.14162309 >>14161573 It's also on Auto-sage. I thought it would be a good idea to be pro-active.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 08:39:56 2015 No.14162790 >>14159388 This is embarrassing to say but could someone cut the pccs in OP? I'm struggling with blue outlines on my end..

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 17:24:11 2015 No.14164592 ded as fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 17:47:24 2015 No.14164677 Someone mentioned about food resists in last thread. So what do you think about creating a ranch for each type of monster that gives resist and just supply from it when needed?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 18:01:02 2015 No.14164734 >>14159388 >Perhaps we should move to /vg/ Yes please.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 18:28:02 2015 No.14164856 >>14159772 ''ENTERPRISE,, quotes are the new hotness. Get with the times, grandpa.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 18:46:24 2015 No.14164940 New newfags from /vg is not allowed to play such elite weeb game. Don't be ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 19:53:03 2015 No.14165159 File: 397 KB, 802x695, ss+(2015-10-01+at+01.48.35).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What do. It keeps dodging everything and even if I hit it I deal minimal damage. Don't have poison on me.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 19:57:37 2015 No.14165180

>>14164677
I suppose you could do that. Although I think it might be more work than its worth. There's a cap to how much resist you can get with eating resist food and you'll be fighting off dreams that take away those resists. You certainly can make it work though but wouldn't just getting resist gear and being done with it work better?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 19:59:43 2015 No.14165185 >>14165159 Can you cast create wall and wall it up so you can corner it and kill it? Any weapons on you that can inflict bleed?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:02:10 2015 No.14165195 >>14165159 you fucked

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:06:11 2015 No.14165226 >>14165159 >>14165185 >>14165195 I gave up and reloaded the save, it brought me back to the start of the arena and I think it died in a chain explosion of Kamikaze Yeeks or in Slime's acid, not exactly sure.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:23:31 2015 No.14165312 >>14161573 There was elona general on /vg/ at some point and it was doing well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:28:40 2015 No.14165342 File: 102 KB, 600x600, 44107042_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] New player here, around lvl 10 juere thief. Someone told me to enchant my gear, how do I do that?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:31:35 2015 No.14165358 >>14165342 Go to the blacksmith, he has options to enchant weapons/armor. The costs increases for each upgrade.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:41:53 2015 No.14165389

>>14165342
>>14165358
Also keep in mind that attacking acidic creatures or being attacked by one (such as slimes) will reduce the enchantment or your weapons and equipment not resistant to acid. Acid resistance can be applied to equipment by using acidproof liquid on it. If you want to kill a slime and your weapon is not acidproof, either use a disposable weapon you didn't want to keep anyway, or use ranged/magic attacks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:54:17 2015 No.14165420 File: 175 KB, 244x244, 40381010_p0.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14165358 >>14165389 Great, thanks! For some reason I've never gone to the blacksmith, hah.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 20:59:36 2015 No.14165435 An elona general on /vg/ would just be told to fuck off and join the Rougelike general. It's happened to a couple other games, they all just got assimilated into larger and more general generals.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:41:40 2015 No.14165532

>>14159388
>slightly stale pasta

It's already been updated last thread ya dip.

Anyways I think these threads should take a break honestly, I feel like they're running down and not much is really gettting discussed. Give it a few weeks or whenever the next update is out maybe? I definitely feel like /vg/ is no good for elona in particular, but I dont like /vg/'s culture in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:45:28 2015 No.14165536 >>14165435 T-The generals start converging?! Will their hunger ever be contained

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 21:55:48 2015 No.14165561 Elona+ is already in /Roguelike/ As a matter of fact, I found out about Elona there. /rl/ moves a lot faster than than /jp/. So if you ask "How do I shot web?" it will be answered quickly too.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:10:39 2015 No.14165592

>>14165435
>>14165536
Actually a lot of generals diverge, there used to be a JRPG general, and still separate neptunia and SMT general, even persona general is separated from SMT general.
Elona general used to be a thing for a while as well, it moved faster and had larger threads than these in /jp/.

If the threads can't keep up, then they die out and fuse with another general, in this case it would be rlg.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 22:17:26 2015 No.14165605

>>14165561
This, if you want a quick answer the guys at /rlg/ can help out. I remember when that general was almost entirely DCSS posting, so it was pretty bizarre to see Elona+, a weeb rpg-roguelike hybrid, take over the thread for what must've been 2 or 3 months. The game still seems to get peaks of popularity during some weeks but last time I checked it was mostly Poschengband and C:DDA. I'd recommend anyone who really enjoys Elona+ to try out any of the games at /rlg/, that is if you can digest the ascii interface. I think it's fine that we have the Elona general here in addition to it being included by /rlg/, and I don't think it needs its own thread in /vg/. Both threads supply enough information and discussion in my opinion, and this one's pretty great for the roleplaying aspect of the game, albeit slow.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:21:13 2015 No.14165739
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How am I doing? I picked up the cooking skill for my loli and I've been having breakfast everyday.

I was originally going to make a ranged character but I picked up a really nice sword. Should I focus on ranged for now and get the traveling skill next or should I go for 2H/tactics?

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:30:00 2015 No.14165759

>>14165739
The experience from travelling is really useful early on, specially once you get to move between towns often. If you really like that sword you should perhaps stick to it and get tactics, but ranged is pretty good too (I find it less tedious to fight with too) but it's up to what you like more, really. You can always go hybrid too. If you feel things are hitting you too hard then I'd suggest training ranged first and melee later.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:34:38 2015 No.14165769 >>14165739 Accuracy is kind of low. 93% hit for range isn't reliable. Are you wearing claws? Doesn't have to be claws, as long as it have hit bonus it will help. Dual claws for gunner works too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:39:45 2015 No.14165782 >>14165739 >age 22 >age 22 >age22

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:42:06 2015 No.14165786 >>14165739 >>14165782 >you enjoy using violence

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:43:25 2015 No.14165791 Shit I really want this cute profile stories too but don't want other custom things.

Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:45:23 2015 No.14165795
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>>14165759
Yeah I don't really want to spend the plat on converting to melee but so far I've found this sword + Hiryu-to but no good guns.

>>14165769
I wasn't aware the hit bonus on melee weapons applied to ranged. That's useful.

>>14165782
I've heard there's an item you can get later to lower your age. Even if she started younger she would get old anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:47:44 2015 No.14165800 >>14165739 Your character's BMI is 17.3

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:49:49 2015 No.14165805 >>14165795 use a blessed potion of slow to reduce age

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:50:48 2015 No.14165809 >>14165795 >I wasn't aware the hit bonus on melee weapons applied to ranged. No, it doesn't. Only gloves, claws, shields, do. Melee weapons don't count towards ranged hit bonus.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:51:27 2015 No.14165810 >>14165795 There is. Blessed slow potions reduce your age as well as Age Return Lunch. The wiki says Age Return Lunch will bring your age all the way down to 6 so you can be a true Loli

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:52:46 2015 No.14165813 Saimore did nothing wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:53:09 2015 No.14165814 >>14165795 >>14165809 If you ever plan on going unarmed, it's good to know that claws aren't considered weapons. They only supply bonuses. Same goes for tonfas, though those are rarer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 30 23:58:50 2015 No.14165826 File: 834 KB, 806x724, ss+(2015-10-01+at+05.51.56).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Am I doing all right so far? Never actually gotten further than level 20 or so.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:02:26 2015 No.14165837 >>14165826 Looks good to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:05:49 2015 No.14165843 >>14165837 Is it normal that my potential is bad in nearly everything, though? Also, how do I get rods of domination/potions of potential?

Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:11:53 2015 No.14165862

>>14165843
You can get potions of potential by investing in magic vendors and checking often. They don't always appear but it increases the chance to do so.
Rods of domination can be obtained here http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Miral_and_Garok%27s_Workshop
I'm not expert with rods but I think you should only attempt to use one if your magic device level is high. They cannot be recharged.

At your current level it's normal to have somewhat crappy potentials, the stuff required to boost it is harder to get at that point of the get compared to later on.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:25:08 2015 No.14165920 >>14165739 >dwarf I laughed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:32:58 2015 No.14165951 >>14165826 The boss probably already rekted you by this time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 00:38:51 2015 No.14165968 >>14165951 The boss of the pyramid? It did kill off my pets except one, but I managed. I used up a hell lot of potions though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 07:23:29 2015 No.14166990 There's no reason to move elona generals to /vg/ when they have roguelike generals, even though all they discuss is DCSS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 07:34:51 2015 No.14167008 Was there a way to play Elona in borderless windowed mode? It's annoying having the top tile of every map hidden while playing in windowed mode.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 07:50:28 2015 No.14167041 >>14167008 That has to do with resolution, not the borders. Try playing on the smallest resolution.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 08:18:55 2015 No.14167092 >>14167008 1296X704 do the trick for me, try it. Config file in main folder, windoww windowh. Could not work if you got a bigger or smaller monitor, i don't know.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 09:48:43 2015 No.14167226 Is there a way to reset the timer after incarnating? Tried looking at elosnack but I don't see it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 15:23:59 2015 No.14168158 >>14167226 No, instead use that timer as a motivator for your new character to get shit done in half the time it took your previous character. You can do it anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 16:36:37 2015 No.14168385 File: 58 KB, 460x640, 09f8a09f086c779a8f0cc819e898717e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >wandering merchant selling a ring for 1b >taking it from his trunk for free

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 1 21:36:54 2015 No.14169283 >>14168158 It isn't really fun, though.

Anonymous Thu Oct 1 23:22:34 2015 No.14169706

>>14169283
Fun? Did you just say fun?! Yaca nyou talk funnying tect almighty. Yacatect is beside herself with the notion that some people are having fun instead of working their ass off slaying monsters and selling their crap in stores! Stop having fun and get back to work!

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 07:43:03 2015 No.14170982

In all honesty I don't think a thread on /vg/ would help, the thread would die out many many times and the poster amount/count/quality would not increase in the slightest.

Elona doesn't even seem to have a general on /jp/ that much because we have one constant thread over the weeks if not months, unlike threads such as monster girl general or the bazillion phone games which already have threads on /vg/ and /jp/ both.

Anonymous Fri Oct 2 20:50:39 2015 No.14173716
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>>14169706
Not him obviously but I was just about to quit Elona a few weeks back but then I whimsically decided to start over except this time in overdose mode. All of the tiring grind has been reduced and has even become enjoyable and my interest in the game renewed as if I just started playing Elona. It was getting stale but overdose literally saved me. I've been getting less time I could spend playing since I have a job now and I'm very thankful that overdose exists, wish I found about it sooner.

Then you experience mid-late game, which brings you back to the slow grinding days. Even if it's 20 times the exp the game "catches" up with you at one point.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 21:48:16 2015 No.14173881 >>14173716 How's keeping up potential in overdose? Seems like you'd just level everything so fast that you couldn't grind plat fast enough to keep anything up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 21:51:19 2015 No.14173894 >>14173716 I just rely on my pets late game My stats level like shit in the normal game mode, but my pets are rocketing up. I'm cool with it, let them do all the grinding while I fuck around.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 2 23:09:14 2015 No.14174251 >>14173894 Pets are basically the linear to your logarithmic. The boosts they get seem a little overdone, to be completely honest.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 07:28:16 2015 No.14175574 How do I even train swimming? I've been walking around a pool for a day and resting in it and the skill points didn't even budge.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 08:26:39 2015 No.14175663 >>14175574 Skill points.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 08:39:20 2015 No.14175689 >>14175574 Also make sure you're not carrying a magaqua. It makes you permanently wet but does NOT let you train swimming while carrying it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 08:56:30 2015 No.14175729 >>14175689 Ah that was my error, thanks for pointing it out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 10:23:44 2015 No.14175842 Is there any way to move hostile monsters from the wilderness to your owned properties? Sandbags would let you capture them, but then it's impossible to pick it up as an item, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 10:56:18 2015 No.14175919 >>14175842 Rod of summon monster

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 11:12:57 2015 No.14175982 >>14175919 I was hoping to be able to move specific monsters, but I guess that is impossible. I'll just have to try and get lucky with summoning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 14:49:59 2015 No.14176489 Can a snail (player) be viable if I try to imitate a mutant and give myself as many hand slots as I can? Also is there anything I can do to survive better when cleaners try to kill me with salt?

Anonymous Sat Oct 3 14:55:46 2015 No.14176504

>>14176489
Snail has good speed and is viable. Multiple hand slots is definitely the way to go.

Cleaners are an absolute menace early to mid game and there's not much you can do about it. Just keep ways to teleport/move away quickly when you see them. Later (much, much later) you can basically shrug them off and kill or ignore them entirely.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 18:04:45 2015 No.14177141 WHat are the requirements for pets cooking breakfast? The wiki only says "Wake up at morning", but nothing is happening. Is there an affection requirement, or satiation requirement, or is it just random chance?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 18:08:33 2015 No.14177156 >>14177141 The relationship level should be at least "Fellow", and you need to wake up between dawn and morning(second and third quadrant of clock)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 18:10:03 2015 No.14177165 >>14177156 Ah, so there is a requirement. Fellow isn't too bad. Guess I've just been letting her die a few too many times. Thanks.

Anonymous Sat Oct 3 18:27:08 2015 No.14177208

>>14177165
>>14177156
Nope, still not working. I gave her a ring to get her to fellow, woke up at morning (about 9 am according to the clock). No breakfast. Is there a random element too, or should I be getting breakfast every time if I meet the requirements?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 18:35:18 2015 No.14177229 >>14177208 Does your pet have the cooking skill?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 18:35:49 2015 No.14177232 >>14177208 Should be each time. Is she in your line of sight when you go to bed? Does she have cooking?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 18:37:20 2015 No.14177236 >>14177229 Yes. But I already had it trigger once on this save file before I GE'd it onto her. >>14177232 Yeah, she was standing next to me last time I tried. I'm savescumming to try and get this, at least to better understand the requirements.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 18:51:20 2015 No.14177274 >>14177236 I think the time requirement is more like 4 to 8 rather than "displayed as morning" or "the second and third quadrants".

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 19:10:23 2015 No.14177316 >>14177236 In my personal experience it frequently does not trigger when the clock hand is right on 9 AM.

Anonymous Sat Oct 3 19:13:18 2015 No.14177323
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>>14177274
I finally got it to trigger a few times. First clock is the first time I got it.

Second clock I did not get it. Then I got it again in the third clock.

So there has to be some random element involved, since I missed it between a window of 2 successes.

It does seem fairly common, though. Just not guaranteed. And yes, my pet was right next to me for that failure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 19:39:49 2015 No.14177403 Why do my pets refuse to use the Shadow step skill from Leold? I don't even get the "Magical field prevents teleportation" message. I thought it would help us run down dungeon bosses in bone-out mode.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 21:34:36 2015 No.14177739 >>14177403 That skill rarely, if ever, activates. Have Leold refund your skill and pick a new one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 21:43:52 2015 No.14177763 >>14177739 Damn, are there other AP skills that also don't work nearly as well as they should?

Anonymous Sat Oct 3 21:54:24 2015 No.14177798

>>14177323
From my own observations regarding pets cooking for you, it seems to require two things for me:
- You need to wake up 'Hungry'
- Sleep between 9pm - 11pm

That time frame seems to apply with pets making equipment for me over the night, although I'm not sure if the kind of equipment they make is determined by their race/class/sex (my female Wizard of Elea seems to only make things that go into the Arm slot).
The stuff they make is pretty high Godly tier though, which is a lot better than much of what you'd find early on, so having pets get up to Soul Mate a soon as possible early on can really help out (one of the arm equips the Wizard of Elea made for me was made out of dragonscale, for example).

Anonymous Sat Oct 3 22:11:23 2015 No.14177850

>>14177798
I got it to trigger when I wasn't hungry upon waking up. I wasn't bloated or anything, but if satiation is a factor, you don't need to be strictly hungry.

I was also going to sleep after midnight. While that's probably a good time to go to bed, I think when you wake up is the bigger factor. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it's impossible to control how long you sleep for.

Anonymous Sat Oct 3 22:27:02 2015 No.14177890

>>14177763
>>14177739
>>14177403
I should have checked out the comments on the wiki before posting, but I've already been trained not to read any comments anywhere on the internet.

>pure melee pets will always 100% move to within 1 space of the target before doing anything, including using special abilities like shadow step and remote blow! The more you reduce movement probability the more often you'll see Shadow Step with those melee-only pets.

There's probably something similar for Zero Shoot because I can't get that one to activate either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 22:29:23 2015 No.14177895 >>14177798 >random slave girl can make godly artefacts >living god of grinding can't This is dildo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 23:07:35 2015 No.14177995 When I update from an older version, do I need to step through all the intermediate versions or can I got straight from, in this case, 1.45 to 1.50?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 23:19:29 2015 No.14178024 >>14177995 Don't think there will be any problem with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 23:20:28 2015 No.14178028 >>14177995 You can just shoot straight to 1.50.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 23:45:40 2015 No.14178131 >>14177895 technically you can with carpentry/tailoring. I think if you have enough luck you get a pretty decent chance at it too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 3 23:49:40 2015 No.14178152 >>14177895 Clothes made by the strongest girl are not the strongest clothes.

Anonymous Sun Oct 4 04:10:48 2015 No.14178777

>>14177798
My little girl only makes shields. She's using carpentry, how would I go about raising a different one of her crafting skills so she'll make something useful instead? It seems like a bit of a trap because she keeps using carpentry so she keeps getting experience in it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 06:07:07 2015 No.14178933 >>14178777 How do you get carpentry?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 06:10:00 2015 No.14178937 >>14178933 gene engineering

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 08:11:27 2015 No.14179144 >>14177895 It's because of love, anon! You can craft miracle artifacts with high enough crafting skills. Not sure about godly though

Anonymous Sun Oct 4 08:38:19 2015 No.14179187

>>14178777
My Little Girl recently hit Soul Mate as well, and all she does is make gloves as well (other than being the main chef). As far as I am aware all my pets have the same skills via gene engineering - due to this I have no idea how to influence a pet into using a particular skill/make a particular equipment.

On the note about my Little Girl being the main chef - she was the first to hit Fellow, and the first to start making breakfast after waking up at dawn. Even while my Wizard of Elea hit Soul Mate before she did, my Little Girl continued to be the only one to make breakfast - perhaps in this aspect it looks at whose Cooking skill is the highest out of all the pets you have active? Her meals are currently 'so-so', but it makes me wonder if she'll eventually start making stat/potential-tier food.

Anonymous Sun Oct 4 09:03:24 2015 No.14179242

>>14178777
Pets can craft different types of gear every 10 levels of tailoring/carpentry, up to lv90. My black cat usually crafts gear of the current tier (magic hats @lv40), but sometimes makes stuff of previous tiers.
That's why it's reccomended to have only one pet having either tailoring or carpentry, otherwise it's hard to level them. You may consider to drop your little girl somewhere beore using another pet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 09:05:44 2015 No.14179245 >>14179187 According to the Ally page if you have multiple pets that can cook the pet you acquired earlier will cook. And you need to keep her potential up to keep leveling her Cooking skill to make better breakfasts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 09:58:03 2015 No.14179367 >>14173716 Wannabe tryhards aside, glad that worked for you. Maybe I'll try it sometime.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 10:48:25 2015 No.14179470 Given plenty of investment and survivability, would a Hungry Demon make for a good cheese pet? Or will starvation not easily kill bosses?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 13:00:31 2015 No.14179846 What font should I use for displaying Japanese characters?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 13:28:34 2015 No.14179911 >>14179470 I don't think starvation can affect npc. Or it can?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 13:36:19 2015 No.14179940 >>14179911 Pets at least definitely have a hunger level, even if they can't naturally starve. And I believe starvation is what makes (made?) cursed booze so powerful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 17:08:34 2015 No.14180709 If I lose stats from jail do I get equal amounts of potential refunded?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 17:22:41 2015 No.14180785 >>14180709 Of course not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 17:27:20 2015 No.14180803 File: 793 KB, 1287x801, qqqgegegw.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Time to chug

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 17:49:06 2015 No.14180917 >>14180803 Grats on 2000 speed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 17:59:41 2015 No.14180969 >>14179367 Tryhard 1. A face-saving insult used by someone who is feeling inadequate. Basically accuses anyone who is better than them at anything of putting in effort. Doubles as an excuse for sucking by implying lack of effort on the speaker's part.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 18:03:12 2015 No.14180989 >>14180969 i don't get it

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 18:09:25 2015 No.14181014 >>14180989 Someone seems angry at another person for using an insult that probably shouldn't exist. Since when was working hard towards something a bad thing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 18:13:53 2015 No.14181037 >>14181014 He didn't say it was, he said other people in the thread were going to say it was like they usually do. They didn't though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 18:20:33 2015 No.14181074 >>14180785 Karma is a fag.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 4 22:45:22 2015 No.14182036 Anybody have a (composite) screenshot of the new "palace" house?

Anonymous Sun Oct 4 23:17:02 2015 No.14182143

>>14180989
Not him but: Anonymous said "Wannabe tryhards aside" because he predicted someone was going to call that faggot out for playing on easy mode like a little kid. Obviously anon also plays easy mode and he wants to imply that people who don't are only trying to impress others rather than enjoy the game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 00:41:38 2015 No.14182371 File: 113 KB, 643x141, Screenshot (198).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why the fuck are these so heavy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 00:48:59 2015 No.14182401 >>14182371 They're big aliens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 00:54:30 2015 No.14182412 >>14182371 Why are you farming aliens? Can't imagine it's worth the time and effort just for slightly easier than normal favor generation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 01:28:20 2015 No.14182480 >>14182412 I wanted easier traveling/eye of mind/greater evasion for my gene engineering.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 01:31:44 2015 No.14182485 Is there some sort of limit to the amount of hand slots I can add to my snail character? I keep re-rolling and I'm not getting anymore beyond 4 I made my snail thinking I would be able to play with 16+ hand slots or something.

Anonymous Mon Oct 5 01:50:35 2015 No.14182517

>>14182485
No limit, just keep rolling.
And you shouldn't go beyond 10 hands if you don't want the complicated body speed penalty.

You can also achieve the same by levelling a mutant to 9, resetting slots with icolle the biologist, and then levelling as normal; if the cleaners prove to be a pain in your mucus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 01:51:05 2015 No.14182518 >>14182480 I always forget about that. You have to dominate one every time, right? There's no way to automatically turn a ranch offspring into a pet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 01:53:07 2015 No.14182522 >>14182517 I imagine he wants to do snail to see if the AP generation makes up for all the inherent snail penalties, not because he wants to do the 20-handed mutant thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 03:32:20 2015 No.14182749 >>14182522 What's the use of AP farming beyond 800 speed?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 03:48:24 2015 No.14182788 >>14182749 You must not have looked at everything Leold offers you for AP if you're asking that question. Go and see him. He has a couple of stuff you'll want than just speed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 03:52:31 2015 No.14182795 >>14182788 What like obstinate and courage? Won't those take even less AP to buy than the 800 speed will?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 03:57:18 2015 No.14182802 >>14182795 You're missing the AP to skill bonus anon. Does 100 bonus skill points appeal to you? Then you'll want to keep farming AP for like forever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 04:06:02 2015 No.14182829 >>14182788 No, I've looked upon it. Those are all trash traits for grinding tbh and that bonus 100 skill points is just for people who's too slow to farm and grind plats and skills

Anonymous Mon Oct 5 04:16:42 2015 No.14182854

>>14182829
Yeah sure, just ignore a free 100 bonus skill points for doing something you normally are doing such as killing monsters. The AP to bonus points is a repeatable thing you can select but nah, I shouldn't include it in my routine when I grind for plats and skills.

Anonymous Mon Oct 5 04:32:10 2015 No.14182900

>>14182829
I don't know anon. That barrier trait looks pretty good. Looks like both wizards and warriors can benefit from it. Wizard has a ton of mp so they can use it to soak up a lot of damage I guess and pure warriors don't even use mp so it's like a secondary life bar for them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 04:48:09 2015 No.14182936 >>14182854 Idk, I think I'll start grinding AP if there's any trait buff/updates. No way I'm wasting it on a mediocre 100 sp

Anonymous Mon Oct 5 05:07:29 2015 No.14182974

>>14182936
Not that anon but why do you feel it's a waste? Once you've gotten everything else from Leold what else are you going to use it for? You're forced to spend AP once you hit 2000 or you won't get anymore. You do understand that you can select AP to skill points multiple times right? Meaning if you turn in your AP like 5 times you'll have netted yourself 500 skill points right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 05:17:01 2015 No.14182989 >>14182518 Whut. You (I)nteract with one and choose 'Bring Out'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 05:48:37 2015 No.14183039 >>14159388 People still play this shit? Go the fuck away to /vg/ already faggots

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 06:03:44 2015 No.14183070 >>14183039 You've watched anime to fap off to scrap metal boats and powerpoint porn

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 06:04:40 2015 No.14183074 >>14183039 Jokes on you. Elona+ is also in /vg/ /rlg/. As a matter of fact, I find out out Elona+ in /vg/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 06:14:54 2015 No.14183110 >>14183039 How are your boat sluts treating you anon? I hear carrier chan can have 5000 or more people up in her.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 07:12:04 2015 No.14183245 File: 97 KB, 528x341, shotty.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The apprentice/expert quartermaster feats turned out to be more useful than I expected. Also got a potion of cure corruption.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 07:48:55 2015 No.14183328 >>14183245 The apprentice quartermaster can be pretty good. I've gotten rod of wishing, speed uppers, and other nice goodies. However, the description for expert quartermaster implies you only get more salary and not better items than apprentice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 08:36:56 2015 No.14183431 How should I spend my gold, invest? I'm about lvl 30.

Anonymous Mon Oct 5 08:58:38 2015 No.14183505

>>14183431
Do you have a shop? A ranch with rabbits/putits? Is your equipment upgraded? Are your pets equipped propely? Anwser that and invest if you have leftover gold. As a rule of thumb I always keep vendors in my 'main' city at at least twice my level.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 09:14:43 2015 No.14183518 >>14183505 Well no... this is my first character so I don't really know what to do. I'm just running around doing quest and some level 17 dungeons. I guess I'll start with a ranch or shop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 11:10:22 2015 No.14183734 >>14183518 Shops are really nice if you do a lot of dungeons, because you can haul all the loot fyou get and drop it off there and get good cash(way better prices than at usual vendors).

Anonymous Mon Oct 5 14:48:49 2015 No.14184167

>>14183431
Do you have a castle or better yet to serve as your home? If not that's what you should spend your money on. Then after that load your home with magic vendors and invest in them. Shop level 150 should be good a start. You want to invest so you can start getting potions of potential off of vendors.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 15:57:10 2015 No.14184327 >>14183039 Stop doing this every thread, you faggot, go play your shitty mobages.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 17:02:13 2015 No.14184563 What spells do good damage late game to monsters/bosses that have various resists?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 17:06:45 2015 No.14184579 >>14184563 All the ball spells in general.(elemental or just plain magic) Use spells that decrease resists if you have to such as element scar.

Anonymous Mon Oct 5 21:01:05 2015 No.14185405

>>14184563
Lightning bolt is the best single target damage spell thank to the wet status ( and elemental scar ).
Leveled enough any spell, even magic dart, can do the trick though. But none will beat ligntning bolt for damage, if spell levels are equals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 21:03:16 2015 No.14185412 >>14185405 What's the highest you can grind spells? I was half planning on grinding hero up to ridiculous levels so I could transform into a super saiyan whenever I wanted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 21:11:38 2015 No.14185453 >>14185412 Spell are like skills as far the game is concerned, so 2000.

Anonymous Mon Oct 5 21:29:24 2015 No.14185532

>>14185405
One gimmick I've been toying with is Alchemical Rain - Potion of Weaken Resistance - Thunder Vortex. Itzpalt's feat is the icing on the cake. Hopefully Alchemical Rain inflicts wet status on everything, and Weaken Resistance gets double scaling off Alchemy and Magic Device. It pisses me off that Alchemy can't craft any useful potions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 23:28:03 2015 No.14185942 How do I get the goose to give me plat? I'm feeding it cooked fruit and it hasn't laid a coin once. I've slept twice since I got it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 23:33:25 2015 No.14185952 >>14185942 Try some other food. Fruits may be too low class for the goose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 23:37:50 2015 No.14185960 >>14185952 I got lucky and made some Peperoncino. That did it. Maybe there's a minimum cooked quality requirement. A sandwich didn't work when I tried it, nor an api nut bun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 5 23:54:08 2015 No.14186006 >>14185960 Goose coins is such a joke. Bet even irl gooses not so annoying. I mean to have this bastard around just for getting 1 coin per sleep don't worth the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 00:04:51 2015 No.14186032 >>14186006 Yeah, even if the laying was reliable when I feed him it'd too annoying for me to bother. But I need to grind faith to get Yacatect's gem stone, so I figure I might as well try to get a few plat out of him.

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 00:17:11 2015 No.14186055

>>14185960
Cooked corpse "roast" or higher (so anything not grotesque, charred, etc) works. Any fish not Bony or lower works as well. Vegetable and fruits don't tend to work regardless of quality. Flour/noodle cooked foods work at higher qualities. All herbs work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 00:18:39 2015 No.14186061 >>14186055 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 00:33:02 2015 No.14186092 This monsters summoned by ragnarok it is possible to get AP from it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 00:50:55 2015 No.14186136 >>14186092 I don't see why it couldn't give you AP if the monsters are sufficiently strong enough. Just understand that eventually you'll have to move on to stronger creatures as that's part of the nature of farming for AP.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 01:53:56 2015 No.14186299 >>14174251 I think it's supposed to compensate for the fact that they have barely have an AI and you have a brain, but they have so much raw firepower later on it gets ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 02:19:44 2015 No.14186352 I am a bit disappointed that unique items held by your pets count toward the 1-item limit, thus, you can't build an army of catsisters identically equipped with a twin edge, claymore, crimson plate, hero cloak, etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 02:25:19 2015 No.14186364 I was struggling to raise my karma back up after nuking palmia. Then I walked to Noyel and gave Pael's mom 5 potions of cure corruption. I can't believe I didn't think of that sooner.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 02:27:18 2015 No.14186370 Anyone know where I can d/l the source code of the original Elona?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 02:33:07 2015 No.14186378 >>14186364 >didn't kill or sell pael's mother

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 02:41:09 2015 No.14186387 >>14186370 What are you going to do with it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 02:45:34 2015 No.14186395 >>14186378 Whom are you quoting? Not the poster you replied to it seems.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 02:59:27 2015 No.14186412 >>14186387 I'm trying to learn LUA. Looking at games made with LUA helps me learn things quicker. Plus I like these types of games and want to make one myself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 03:26:32 2015 No.14186462 >>14186395 >being this new

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 03:40:24 2015 No.14186493 >>14186462 Not him but this misuse of quotes is stupid. I'm fully aware you're not the only one who does this but you're all retarded just the same for continuing it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 03:53:23 2015 No.14186516 >>14186493 It's been a thing for several years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 04:01:55 2015 No.14186533 >>14186493 How is this misuse of quotes? In most languages, you quote something using these quotation marks : 'Quote' / "Quote" <<Quote>>, nobody ever said that a greater than sign is used for quoting, you retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 04:05:36 2015 No.14186541 File: 55 KB, 491x405, UNBELIEVABLE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] WTF? Are you guys serious arguing over proper shitposting format?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 04:07:03 2015 No.14186544 >>14186541 shitposting is a art

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 04:13:55 2015 No.14186568 >>14186541 You merely adapted shitposting.

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 04:15:53 2015 No.14186574

>>14186533
>nobody ever said that a greater than sign is used for quoting, you retard.
So people in this thread haven't been on the internet before 2008?
Hell, most email providers still automatically reply by adding a > to every line of the message you were replying to, and the single BBS boards and such still use > for quoting purposes.

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 04:17:10 2015 No.14186578

>>14186533

It's a quote you faggot. Read the fucking 4chan FAQ.

From the 4chan FAQ:

How do I quote somebody?

To quote a portion of text, simply place a pointer (">") in front of the text you wish to highlight (ex. ">This is a quote").

Also, It's a misuse because you're not actually quoting anyone. When you said, "Didn't kill or sell Pael's mother." Who exactly were you quoting retard? Nobody said that. Obviously you're saying that so there is no need for the quote.

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 04:34:42 2015 No.14186613

>>14186578
He was using it to designate a short description, a use-case which has become popular across 4chan in the last, oh, five years or so.

>Obviously you're saying that so there is no need for the quote.
The way you wrote it, it would be a fragment, and also grammatically incorrect. Thankfully nobody cares.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 04:37:57 2015 No.14186625 >>14186541 Shitposting is serious business. It has memes and whole strategies dedicated to it! It was only a matter of time before people started developing rules and proper etiquette for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 04:59:48 2015 No.14186679 Ahem, back to talking about Elona...is riding any good? Do I just keep dumping mounts for faster ones? Would a bell of termination be the best mount?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 05:21:45 2015 No.14186724 >>14186679 Not even close. Bells are shit mounts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 05:29:55 2015 No.14186749 File: 400 KB, 816x638, damn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Should I just give all my herbs to my pets since they seem to have a far stronger effect on them?

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 05:33:04 2015 No.14186758

>>14186679

Riding is good. But limits your melee weapons choices early on. As in, riding reduces your accuracy significantly the heavier your weapon gets. Spell casting and ranged take less of a penalty from low riding.

You can replace mounts as you level up or invest into one.

>>14186749

If you are okay with them stronger than you, then go ahead.

>tfw got killed by my Brainwashed little girl once.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 06:00:58 2015 No.14186862 >>14186724 To expand on that, Bells have a NoHorse flag, which gives a huge speed debuff if you ride them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 07:19:21 2015 No.14187149 Can I relocate a building after I put it on the map? I notice I can pick them up, is that a complete removal?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 07:22:27 2015 No.14187154 >>14187149 Deed of Removal Deed. The pick up is a delete function. IIRC it's quite costly, so it's probaby not worth it early game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 07:33:57 2015 No.14187181 >>14187154 Thanks. I'll put everything near my house for now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 07:44:02 2015 No.14187207 >>14187149 >>14187154 Pretty sure that only works for your home and no other building. There's no option to choose a building when you read it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 10:09:24 2015 No.14187557 File: 392 KB, 820x641, you are wishing for it.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Five minutes into a new game. I haven't played Elona in years. Juere Claymore here. I want to be a pickpocketing caster. What should I wish for?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 11:25:00 2015 No.14187805 >>14187557 Pickpocketing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 12:25:12 2015 No.14187990 >>14187557 happy bed is always my first wish, helps a lot early.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 12:34:38 2015 No.14188015 >>14187557 seven league boots for that speed

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 14:39:13 2015 No.14188414 >>14185532 >Hopefully Alchemical Rain inflicts wet status on everything It does

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 14:42:28 2015 No.14188423 >>14186758 Magic Kiss action removes brainwashing when used on an ally if your relationship with them is at a high level

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 15:17:50 2015 No.14188511

From a few threads ago someone raised the point about magic device being a possible build, so I messed around a bit to try it out.

It is absurdly easy to level compared to magic since you don't have to grind individual spells. Might be the easiest skill to level out of everything.

Get yourself some stacks of potions, get yourself a populated ranch, and spam alchemical rain amidst all the ranched pets. Watch your MD and Alchemy skills shoot up.

Damage is comparable to spellcasting at higher levels - especially with the Quick Use hex giving you free turns. However, as far as I've noticed "Enhances your spells" equipments don't seem to help MD damage, so regular spellcasting can beat it in damage if you've got gear like that.

You don't have to worry about spell stocks but you need to be on constant lookout for carpentry materials. This is a fairly significant problem early on but becomes inconsequential late game where you'll be swimming in materials. Generally it's best not to waste carpentry materials crafting rods to level your MD early on - use the potion method instead.

Downside is the increased baggage you'll have to carry because you have to carry stocks of rods with you.

A MD-focused character or MD-only character is definitely viable, and in my opinion might be the least grindy way to get some high damage given how broken the Alchemical Rain training method is. However it does get outclassed in damage later on. I think it's a solid alternative to spellcasting for anyone looking to do a hybrid but don't want to grind spells or just looking to do something different.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 15:20:10 2015 No.14188518 >>14185532 My only problem with Alchemical Rain is it pisses off my pets when I use a healing potion like that. I really hope this gets fixed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 16:01:24 2015 No.14188613 File: 18 KB, 596x25, delicious.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My favorite cheese flavor.

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 16:45:36 2015 No.14188634

>>14188511
Sounds pretty interesting. Is it really that easy to train MD? Rods are easier to use than spells, but I've noticed that some buffs (like speed) are also more powerful than the level 1 spell counterparts. If MD also raises quickly, then it can become indeed quite useful.
Can you elaborate a bit about how MD gets outclassed by spell damage later on? Is it just because of enhancing spells equipment, or MD levels poorly in terms of damage output?

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 17:03:23 2015 No.14188704
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>>14188511
Are you sure that "It enhances your spells." doesn't help MD damage? I ran a test and reached a different conclusion.

Currently I'm playing Elona Custom 1.50.1. Character has 616 Magic Device Skill and 681 for my Magic attribute. I decided to sandbag a rat and to take off all my equipment so that I can narrow down what's affecting my damage. Fully unequipped I was doing 12-15k damage with a rod of magic missile. When I equipped the Otogiri, which enhances spell damage, I noticed my damage jump to 22-24k damage. Finally, when I added the Mag Abyss my damage jumped to 34-40k damage.

Both equipment didn't give me any bonuses to my magic attribute so I think all my extra damage was coming solely from the "It enhances your spells." thing. Is my conclusion wrong/is my test flawed somehow?

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 17:21:13 2015 No.14188762

>Reading Party
>Adds up to a 1/5 of your Party members in view's Literacy skills to your for calculating spell book failures and completely negates any would of happened.

Is there any downside to this? It's still giving me spellstocks and training literacy. Does it reduce the gains?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 18:16:10 2015 No.14188970 >>14188762 It seems to take longer to finish reading than reading alone.

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 19:15:39 2015 No.14189145

>>14188634
Yes, MD is really easy to train with the alchemical rain method. At MD around Level 200, I was still getting about 0.15 to 0.20 every cast of alchemical rain. I generally tried to have potential on it above 300% at all times.

I made a generalization regarding MD damage based on observation that "it enhances your spells" modifier didn't seem to affect MD. Since another anon pointed out that his tests see that it does help the damage, I did a retest and seems like I was wrong before. Must have overlooked something last time.

>>14188704
You're absolutely right. I have to admit I didn't test it very extensively or so thoroughly. I had all my equip on and I just ran a few quick tests against some monsters. All I did was save/reload and use a rod against the same monster with/without my weapon, and it seemed to do similar damage across ~10 tries.

I just did a test on a sandbagged rat and MD ice bolt and magic missile damage goes up when I equip Mag-Abyss.

I guess that's what I get for being lazy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 19:17:37 2015 No.14189147 >>14188634 >>14189145 Forgot to add, in my initial post: One problem with the alchemical rain method is that it seems to lag really, really badly. Turning off animation is a must, and helps a tonne, but it still is quite laggy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 19:27:32 2015 No.14189163 >>14188762 I think it's pretty cute to have a reading party with my pets

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 20:40:09 2015 No.14189396 >>14188613 How do eggs make cheese?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 22:51:40 2015 No.14189923 Is there any way to manipulate dungeon levels without sacrificing fame to do so? It's making Gene Engineering really difficult.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 6 23:10:57 2015 No.14189976 >>14189923 Statue of Opatos which you get from the Pyramid Invitation quest lets you shake up all the dungeons (but has a really long cooldown timer). Alternatively I've found it much easier to just spam scrolls of ally for gene engineering.

Anonymous Tue Oct 6 23:40:05 2015 No.14190025

>>14189923
>>14189976
Scratch that about the statue, I realized you probably meant you want to LOWER the dungeon levels since you mentioned sacrificing fame.

There isn't really a good way to do it. Are there specific skills you are looking for? There are higher level substitutes but you'd have to dominate them rather than monster ball since higher level balls are really hard to get.

If you have the resources and charisma to allow it, you can maybe try to summon the lower level mobs you need with summon monster or something and then put them on a ranch.

Anonymous Wed Oct 7 00:13:29 2015 No.14190079

>>14190025
I'm actually past the skills stage and am looking for monsters of a specific level. Puppy Cave/miners/fishermen/bards/thieves/farmers get all the skills covered. Rerolling the map is easy enough by switching between North and South Tyris, but the dungeon levels have always been far beyond what I need.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 00:39:35 2015 No.14190112 >>14190079 Why are you hunting for monsters of a specific level?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 00:50:34 2015 No.14190141 >>14190112 He probably wants to increment the level by one each time and is having a hard time finding some of the intermediaries.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 07:57:46 2015 No.14191141 >>14188762 When do you get Reading Party? I've leveled up since having more than 20 Literacy and I still haven't gotten the skill yet. Is it one of those 'beak main quest to get' skills?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 08:04:46 2015 No.14191169 >>14191141 I believe I got it at 40 or 45. Somewhere around there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 09:22:11 2015 No.14191345 >>14191141 I currently have 34 lit, so probably at 30. I haven't beaten the main quest, so that's definitely not a requirement.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 13:48:02 2015 No.14192145 File: 22 KB, 1095x33, 1444240082916.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14191480 Delicious!

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 18:36:30 2015 No.14193182 File: 5 KB, 124x85, uh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just noticed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 18:37:31 2015 No.14193185 File: 2 KB, 88x66, oh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Wed Oct 7 19:19:16 2015 No.14193292

>>14193185
Yeah anon, it's a double-sided hammer with a smaller-than-usual handle.

On a side note, is it possible to become the in-game player with the highest fame (you know, in that list with a bunch of NPC adventurers) or is the game programmed so there'll always be some faggot that surpasses you?

Anonymous Wed Oct 7 20:32:30 2015 No.14193487
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>>14193292
I was number 1 for a very long time. Then out of nowhere this adventurer showed up and topped me. I don't even remember her being number 2 or three and she absolutely crushed me in fame. I don't think I'll be able to beat her anytime soon either.

Anonymous Wed Oct 7 21:45:17 2015 No.14193702

Let's talk mounts.
I did a bit of research the other day to find what creature had the best potential as a mount. We are talking potential here so stats/skills are not important since they can be ground.
Instead I focused on uniques tags and abilities that gives what I look for in a mount (in order of importance): speed, durability, damage/support (buff,debuff)

cResEle (near immun elem except magic)
cMetal (90% physical res)
cArmour (75% physical res)
cLayHand (big ass heal)

synchro hearts (boost+heal+regen)
gold rush (tons of buffs)
megid flame (cast elem scar)
run wildly (speed buff)
browbeat (debuff 50% dmg)
lulwy's trick (speed buff)
boost (speed buff)

After checking a fair amount of mobs on the wiki those 2 stood out:

xeren electric tank (and evo): cast speed, cMetal, cFloat, cHorse

black seraph (black angel evo): cast speed, boost, lulwy's trick, cFloat, cHorse (i think)

Both have pretty good combos and decent gear slots.

Do you guys know other good ones / did I overlook something ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 22:29:26 2015 No.14193858 >>14193702 Those two pets definitely look like pretty good choices for mounts. I like it. You get to ride a tank, mech(tank evolved), or lewd.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 22:43:49 2015 No.14193897 >>14193487 Can't you just murder that dude?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 23:01:01 2015 No.14193943 >>14193897 I've never tried killing any of the adventurers before. If you kill them do they just respawn? If not, I have a bullet with her name on it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 23:11:22 2015 No.14193982 >>14193943 If you kill them repeatedly, they will leave forever and the new, stronger ones appear.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 23:33:42 2015 No.14194061 >>14193982 Hmm, might be something to have some fun with. I just wonder that if I do go through with it, will the new one have just as much or more fame.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 7 23:50:20 2015 No.14194107 >>14191480 I'm sure this is a dumb question, but how? Astral pen?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 00:11:14 2015 No.14194158 >>14194107 Not sure how he did it but one way I think you can do it is Astral Pen Larnneire at a party. You would need to come prepared beforehand with love potions and presents though. Also need to meet the lv requirement.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 00:17:05 2015 No.14194169 How hard is it to roll with Nyaruko and Cthuko? What kind of dungeon/void levels will I bee looking at to farm AP for them?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 00:20:36 2015 No.14194177 Is there any limit to the number of guests that can be in your home? I'm collecting all the gods but I won't bother if the six I've got in there now is going to be the limit or something.

Anonymous Thu Oct 8 00:30:36 2015 No.14194209

>>14193702
Are you sure Xeren Electric Tanks actually get cMetal? Doesn't seem to make them tougher when I fought them.

>>14193943
Adventurers are actually the LAST remaining way to get levelled pets. When you kill them a few times they are replaced by stronger versions possibly dependent on your lowest-nefia-cleared stat. Then you can hire them, though you need to be higher level.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 01:12:59 2015 No.14194303 >>14194209 The wiki entry for the tank suggests that it does but then again, a wiki isn't infallible.

Anonymous Thu Oct 8 05:01:54 2015 No.14194720

>>14194209
I might be wrong for the Xeren electric tank, I assumed it has the cMetal flag because of the name.
Xeren satellite unit has the flag but its a different race from xeren tank (Metal vs Behicle).
If it has anything that's more probably the cArmour flag.

Some other candidates:

gokiburi: just for the cResEle
hyper yacatect: cast gold rush (does she cast it often ?)
the element: cast element scar & bunch of other stuff
machine dragon flame (fire dragon child evo): cast boost, megid flame, cFloat

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 05:46:14 2015 No.14194794 >>14194720 Jure and Opatos, and their inner versions, for the uber gauge abilities.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 06:19:16 2015 No.14194850 File: 345 KB, 1002x783, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don't think I'm ever going to start a new gene if it means I need to get lucky enough to find this super lure again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 07:36:50 2015 No.14195001 >>14194177 The invited gods don't seem to count against your total head count, guests were still showing up with 6 servants and 6 gods hanging around the palace. Only servants and visiting guests count against the max head count.

Anonymous Thu Oct 8 09:51:47 2015 No.14195326

>>14193702
I tried riding a Xeren Electric Tank and I'm pretty sure they aren't cHorse.

The numbers I got:
The Xeren electric tank's speed 405->218
and I'm at 275

This was with a base riding score of 63; no idea if I had items to boost it. I don't think the tank had any (major) items to boost speed or str.

Anonymous Thu Oct 8 11:22:35 2015 No.14195532

>>14195326
Wiki gives

Speed = MountSpeed * 100 / limit(100 + MountSpeed - MountStrength * 1.5 - PlayerRidingSkill * 2 - 50 * cHorseBit, 100, 1000)

I dont really know wtf is going on with the limit and numbers without operator but toying a bit with it i got

speed = 405 * 100 / limit(100 + 405 - 149 * 1.5 - 63 * 2 - 50 * cHorseBit, 100, 1000)

speed = 40500 / limit( 155.5 - 50 * cHorseBit, 100, 1000)

Now let's ignore the weird stuff, and assuming the creature doesnt have the cHorse ( meaning 50*cHorseBit = 0)

40500 / 155 = 260 speed

I think we can assume the xeren tank doesn't have the cHorse flag. My error was to think that since it's from the behicle race it automatically has the flag.
Maybe was it like that in vanilla ? But again there was only 1 npc in the bike race.

Also the cHorse flag gives a flavor message when you use riding if you want to quickly check.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 15:34:36 2015 No.14196303 Do I really have to drink soma every time some maggot weaken me?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 15:52:36 2015 No.14196358 Can a full team of rock throwers be extremely powerful if I load them all up with grenades?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 17:17:43 2015 No.14196586 >>14196358 They'll be pretty good for awhile but I wouldn't stay with grenades forever though. Might want to look at other thrown weapons too.

Anonymous Thu Oct 8 17:32:59 2015 No.14196614

>>14196358
>>14196586
I gave my kaneda bike Shena's panty while I rode around on him and it was pretty awesome, tons of trash mobs died the turn they came into my view. I can only imagine a team of bells with panties and shurikens would be hilarious as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 17:56:34 2015 No.14196670 >>14196614 >shurikens Imagine the bleed. Isn't time stop annoying to deal with though? Except when you're using it, unless you turned off animation.

Anonymous Thu Oct 8 18:07:10 2015 No.14196711

>>14196670
I've never really noticed my bike getting time stop; I play pretty slowly so maybe it's more obvious when rushing through a dungeon. I have my auto-turn set to Highest and I do get stuttering as my pets swarm things but I seem to have gotten used to that.

More annoying for me is when I'm trying to repeat the same action like harvesting an entire farm and my pet kills something, throwing off my rhythm and causing my char to miss a harvest action.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 21:04:41 2015 No.14197269 I haven't played this game in 3 years or so. Do we know if the online has extended outside of Japan yet? I still appreciate that this is the only game where I can roleplay a bard that lugs around a grand piano.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 21:21:56 2015 No.14197331 >>14197269 yeah, japanese and english servers are seperate as of E+

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 21:27:43 2015 No.14197347 >>14197331 Amazing, thank you. I'll have to get my friends back into this. Had a pretty great 3 or 4 months where each of them would discover something completely new each day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 8 22:50:16 2015 No.14197613 >>14196303 You're going to need to get some 'Maintains' equipment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 02:23:43 2015 No.14198241 >>14183245 I got a blessed hermes potion from salary chest once.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 02:26:38 2015 No.14198253 >>14186092 No you don't nor do they give any worthwhile exp.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 07:06:42 2015 No.14199146 How do you split up a stack of curaria for herbed herbs?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 07:08:30 2015 No.14199154 >>14199146 Bless half of it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 07:11:58 2015 No.14199162 >>14199154 I blessed all of them!

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 07:26:23 2015 No.14199196 File: 24 KB, 250x332, 1375519314849.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14199162 Don't bless those you get until the blessed stack is gone.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 07:27:24 2015 No.14199197 >>14199162 Wait, antiseptic or acid/fireproof potion should do the trick.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 12:03:41 2015 No.14199966 what's a fast way to kill zeome to access south tyris on a new char ? i was testing with bells but it looks like without a good weapon for them i'm not gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 13:39:01 2015 No.14200260 >>14199162 Curse half of it then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 15:09:19 2015 No.14200527 >>14199146 Drop half of the stack, bless what is still in your inventory, and then pick up what you dropped.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 18:08:49 2015 No.14201166 Is there any point to the Disarm Trap skill? I seem to disarm with 100% success without it. Is that just cause I'm still in <30 dungeons?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 9 18:31:54 2015 No.14201244 >>14188511 This is a great find, thanks anon. I tried it out in the sister mansion - if only I had enough skill potential to keep up with such speedy leveling, and it's a million times easier than leveling actual combat spells.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 00:52:37 2015 No.14202568 >>14199966 You play fast and solo. If you're too slow in doing things or just depending on a shit pet you'll end up wasting more time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 00:53:42 2015 No.14202571 >>14201166 Even if you activate traps they don't really matter unless you got unlucky on that random teleport. That disarm trap is basically a joke skill.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 01:41:49 2015 No.14202749 File: 241 KB, 617x411, 10d8.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Didn't know ether material provides highest damage. Or not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 05:20:46 2015 No.14203195 File: 93 KB, 617x383, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this really any good? It hardly ever activates and I'm having some trouble weighing its value over putting consistent damage like the Smash Tonfa in the shoot slot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 05:31:44 2015 No.14203221 File: 146 KB, 639x429, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this really any good? It hardly ever activates and I'm having some trouble weighing its value over putting consistent damage like the Smash Tonfa in the shoot slot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 09:24:43 2015 No.14203664 >>14203221 Saber Tonfa activates pretty often on my vampire girl and it deals a shitload of damage. Are you actually using the gun? Try giving it to a fast pet and see how it goes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 14:24:02 2015 No.14204499 File: 23 KB, 632x54, super lure.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14194850 So it's worth picking up and leveling fishing for this thing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 19:15:49 2015 No.14205532 >>14204499 I've seen an anon using a char named Yuzuho with ridiculous amount of stats and even killed an inner god many threads ago. He claimed most of it were done by fishing and I guess <Super Lure> would be one of those that helped him.

Anonymous Sat Oct 10 19:18:16 2015 No.14205542

>>14204499

I've seen an anon using a char named Yuzuho with ridiculous amount of stats and even killed an inner god in only 200 hours many threads ago. He claimed most of it were done by fishing and I guess <Super Lure> would surely be one of those that helped him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 10 23:02:46 2015 No.14206592 >>14205542 and the guy was debunked for being a lying shit

Anonymous Sun Oct 11 00:32:13 2015 No.14206882

>>14206592
I think eventually an anon figured out how the stats could be theoretically gotten via fishing with Super Lure, since you could grind everything except strength given enough money.

It did seem like a very min-maxy play style so it's not clear how attractive that would be for a typical player over the usual herb farming but at least it suggested that no herbs is doable for raising stats.

Anonymous Sun Oct 11 02:09:26 2015 No.14207181

>>14206882
I think it's very misleading that he said it was fish though because it's not really the fish that's increasing his stats. It's everything else that's increasing it such as grinding out skills. When you get down to it, you don't even need fish to start the process. It could be anything that generates gold. Hell it could of been his dreaded enemy, the farmer, selling cooked produce from his farms.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 03:18:24 2015 No.14207388 >>14203221 I'm not absolutely positive, but I think proximity assist weapon and interlocking shooting mechanism only occur on melee attacks. At least that's the case with Saber Tonfa.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 03:59:32 2015 No.14207481 >>14207388 I have the Metal Wing of Vesda which is a static artifact with interlocking shooting mechanism. Both melee and ranged attacks can and has activated it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 05:52:27 2015 No.14207710 >>14207388 I think what actually happens is that proximity assist will not acivate outside of point blank range.

Anonymous Sun Oct 11 06:10:50 2015 No.14207750

>>14207710
Doesn't necessarily have to be at point blank range. I've had it activate several tiles away from an enemy I was shooting. Point is you'll probably see it happen more at melee range if you're a melee kind of person and more at range if you're that kind of person.

Anonymous Sun Oct 11 06:32:11 2015 No.14207798

>>14207750
You're woefully mistaken if you think I posted that without doing my homework. I took the gun from >>14203221 and spent a few in-game hours going at it with a sandbag. Proximity assist works with melee and ranged, but ONLY at point blank range.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 12:36:54 2015 No.14208705 >>14203221 If anything you could use it as a club in a melee slot and put the smash tonfa in the shoot slot. It actually looks like a pretty decent melee weapon oddly enough. Maybe try to reroll the material.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 15:45:57 2015 No.14209339 It won't make a difference if I eat a "maintains speed" food before I drink a speed upper will it?

Anonymous Sun Oct 11 17:08:40 2015 No.14209705

>>14203221
I'm shaking my head at that proximity assist weapon mod. Unless the weapon wants to be used as a bayonet or a club a ranged weapon should have the interlocking shooting mechanism instead. Get your act together <Nation Hair>! You call yourself a gun? Sadly proximity assist weapon damage uses tactics skill which a pure range user doesn't care about. Interlocking shooting mechanism uses marksman instead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 17:14:17 2015 No.14209730 >>14207798 I think he's talking about interlocking shooting mechanism anon. You're right though that proximity assist works only at point blank. Makes sense though because proximity assist seems to be for melee users.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 11 22:01:41 2015 No.14210701 >>14206592 >>14206882 >>14207181 What? People are still doubting me? I could do 600 stats in everything with an 800 will in 200 hours if I was any less sane but fortunately I'm still sane and not a masochist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 01:01:08 2015 No.14211246 Why ranged criticals do lots of damage but melee damage stays the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 01:24:57 2015 No.14211298 >>14211246 Why do you say that? I see both doing pretty good damage when they crit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 02:22:21 2015 No.14211479 >>14211298 Don't know about you but my melee crit damage is the same as normal attacks for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 04:16:34 2015 No.14211773 How do you guys whittle away the time farming wonder scrolls and spell potential? Lose the seven league boots and dance around the continent?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 04:43:32 2015 No.14211820 >>14211479 I have that problem too, but weirdly enough it's only with certain weapons. I used a Lightsaber once and crits hit as hard as my normal hits. I don't have this problem with some other weapons.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 05:50:03 2015 No.14211886 >>14211773 Who knows. Just play faster than a snail and all will come into place. No one can really teach you how to play fast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 05:53:49 2015 No.14211892 >>14211773 No, keep running around and train that traveling skill!

Anonymous Mon Oct 12 07:42:16 2015 No.14212065

>>14211479
>>14211820

It may be the weapon being very light? According to comments in http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Eye_of_Mind the weapon's weight is the main contributor to the crit multiplier, so light items like lightsabers may pretty much crit for only 1x-1.1x normal damage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 12:01:37 2015 No.14212517 >>14211773 I have a stack of christmas trees on my lawn. whenever I need to cycle inventories of my four magic shopkeeps, I pick em up and do a lap or two around my mansion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 13:35:10 2015 No.14212743 Is there a restriction on the number of items you can carry/equip in inferno/no future mode ? I messed a bit in wizard but didn't find any limitation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 20:37:11 2015 No.14213995 >>14212743 There is a limit imposed even in Advancing that you should easily hit while grinding crafting. I suspect the rationale for it is technical rather than balance-related, so it probably isn't different for debug or other modes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 12 20:55:31 2015 No.14214075 >>14212743 200 separate stacks. Number of items in one stack seems to go beyond four digits, and i suspect it doesn't stop at 65535, so practically infinite.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 00:59:41 2015 No.14214844 File: 29 KB, 494x304, 33.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will the stats hit and crit apply to ranged attack?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 01:33:05 2015 No.14214949 >>14214844 If I remember correctly, the crit will and hit won't. I guess you could compare your ranged hit and damage on your profile before and after equipping it. Not really sure about the crit, maybe someone else can confirm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 04:36:34 2015 No.14215334 File: 19 KB, 425x63, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Melee pets aren't that great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 07:15:07 2015 No.14215564 >>14214844 >>14214949 Claws (and maybe shield ?) are the only weapons that apply it's +dmg/+hit to ranged attacks. For the crit idk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:20:13 2015 No.14216153 I feel sad after found out that martial arts has no crits.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 13:38:15 2015 No.14216206 >>14215334 My shooter pets tend to kill monsters before the melee pets even get to land a hit on them. Starting to think the real way to go is just a whole bunch of gunner pets with high speed.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 20:07:16 2015 No.14217610
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>>14215334
>>14216206
My experience has been different. My melee pet, the Valkyrie, probably does the most consistent and, on average, highest damage in the party leading her to steal kill. She does around 90k in normal dungeons and in the void 30-50k. My character can beat her in damage through spells but I have to jump through more hoops to do it. My gun usually does 3k-20k in the void and maybe up to 60k in normal dungeons. I'm currently training up an Exile as well. Her damage is a little bit less than what I'm doing with my gun but she still has lots of room for improvement.

Considering my Valkyrie is a two hand warrior, I highly doubt my gun damage will ever beat out her damage due to how damage multipliers are calculated. The final nail in the coffin is if I decide to equip her with a proximity assist item. Since she's kill stealing from me and my Exile which are trying to train, I've decided to leave her at home. She deserves a vacation anyhow.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 13 21:06:01 2015 No.14217872 >>14217610 And you don't suppose the Valkyrie's killsteals are a direct consequence of her perfected stats?

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 21:38:22 2015 No.14218048

>>14217872
Oh I definitely know that her kill steals are due to how powerful she is. I just wanted to share that a melee pet can do very well. I also wanted to point out that while a range pet can probably do well, I don't think it will match the damage of a two hand melee pet at the very least. Ranged damage sources: Perception, Marksman, and maybe Firearm/Bow skill. Two Hand Warrior Damage sources: Two Hand, Tactics, Strength, and Weapon Skill. The Two Hand warrior has me beat in sources of things contributing to damage. Dual wielding I don't know about but the fact that you are hitting multiple times with 2 or more weapons with their own invokes and abilities. I would think the damage would add up quick and either match range or overtake it.

Regardless, I didn't pick up the gun for the damage. I picked it up for back up damage and not having to deal with some of the problems melee users have to deal with. A pet with a range weapon I imagine would also benefit the same way. What I'm liking about pets is that I can kind of peer into the future of certain builds because they grow so fast. Like I can maybe get an idea of how an endgame mutant would be like if I had a multi armed pet.

Anonymous Tue Oct 13 22:10:20 2015 No.14218225

>>14216206

Gunners are only for your PC for them to be the most powerful than any other weapon types or styles. Guns are not suited for your pets unless you're that insane to switch your pet's bullets when your preferred type runs out every single time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 12:49:15 2015 No.14221391 What is the best way to spend skill points? I'm saving it from level 1 but now I'm 30 and don't know what to do with it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 13:12:37 2015 No.14221524 >>14221391 After a new game I always wait to hoard 100 skill points and proceed to put them all in performer, in order to instantly get Ensemble. All the rest goes to marksman (until I learn zero shoot) and then traveling.

Anonymous Wed Oct 14 13:16:08 2015 No.14221538

>>14221391
Depends what you want, do you want to max your character ?
Then the best is to use the points on things that are a pain to train (like swimming) and when you have like over 1k5 in the skill.
If you dont care about maxing then you should spend them in things that give you a big boost in power (like reaching a certain level to unlock an ability)

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 15:33:16 2015 No.14222165 Is there a reason why skull bows or ballistas exist?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 15:38:00 2015 No.14222177 What does the gather spots for lightsaber materials look like?

Anonymous Wed Oct 14 16:26:00 2015 No.14222344

>>14222165
They were meant to bring bow damage dice closer to firearm damage dice. So far, guns have better damage dice weapons, if you factor in static artifacts, but bow weapons generally have a bit more pierce on them. This is especially true when you look at the ballista.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 16:58:17 2015 No.14222455 >>14222177 Mining spot gets you ether fragments, and the "camp leftover" spot (it's blue, yellow, and white I think, not a log, not a rune) gets fairy dust. Generators are easy to find everywhere. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Sampling_spots

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 17:30:56 2015 No.14222570 >can't wear Shena's panties on your head why

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 19:52:25 2015 No.14223060 >>14222570 Mind Damage [#####]+ >Pervert of Nefia Anon loses his mind and commits a suicide

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 20:01:21 2015 No.14223086 >>14223060 A true pervert do not take damage, but is empowered by it ! And when the times require a perverted hero, he will appear, Hentai Kamen !

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 20:16:44 2015 No.14223119 >>14222570 I was touched by your story so i made this for you. elonaup.x0.com/sozai/src/up7595.bmp I know it's not the same but at least you can pretend now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 21:19:34 2015 No.14223276 File: 46 KB, 253x379, shena's panties.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14223119 Here's a preview now that i can post pics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 14 21:48:50 2015 No.14223353 >>14223276 Nice hat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 02:07:53 2015 No.14224004 >>14217610 Those numbers I'm seeing on Yumeria are very upsetting to me. Basically her damage scales solely on her casting skill, correct?

Anonymous Thu Oct 15 04:27:33 2015 No.14224369

>>14224004
Her casting skill is definitely one of the major factors in damage calculations. However, the spells technical section of the wiki also leads me to believe the magic attribute plays an important role in it as well.

I wouldn't judge Yumeria, my exile, in relation to Yuki, my valkyrie, in regards to damage at the moment if that's what you're doing. They are worlds apart still. Yuki's tactics is 1074, two hand is 1077, polearm is 873, and strength is 2000. Meanwhile Yumeria has 865 magic and only 358 in casting. As stated above, lots of room for improvement for Yumeria. Now that I've recently completed my task of using AP to get her speed to 800, I'm beginning the process of farming AP for bonus skill points. I will use said bonus skill points to boost her casting skill to be more on par with the numbers Yuki is sporting on her skills.

Now, the casting skill is used to calculate spellpower. The wiki states for pets that their spellpower is calculated at Casting * 6 + 10.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells_%28Elona%2B%29/Technical

So for Yumeria, Spellpower = 358*6*10 = 2158. Spellpower, along with the magic attribute, feeds into a spell formula to get your damage. The exile tends to use nether arrow and dark eye so for this example we'll use their spell formula which is (Spellpower/80+1+magic attribute/18)d(Spellpower/18+9).

Plugging in the numbers and hoping I did my math right, her damage looks around 76d129/max damage of 9804. In the picture in my previous post she was doing around 2-6k so 9804 for max damage is believable to me. I'm ignoring the 24k spike damage since my nightmare spell maybe made the Elea fall below no resist leading her to take extra damage.

Now assuming Yumeria gets 2000 in her magic attribute and raises her casting skill to say 1077, her damage will be around 193d369/max damage of 71,217. I'm pretty happy with this and this is even before I add in the what ifs to the damage equation. Such as what if the 2.5x damage from "it enhances your spells" affects pets too and what if it's true that exiles have double cast. I think they have double cast but I'm not sure.

Anyhow, if I'm not missing anything and if I did my math correct, the forecast for the Exile looks pretty promising.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 04:42:24 2015 No.14224403 >>14224369 I'm judging the exile's damage in relation to my own pets with an eighth of her stats. If that's a Panic quest monster and not something you summoned and sandbagged in the middle of Palmia, I'm making a big mistake.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 15 05:04:34 2015 No.14224439 >>14224403 The picture of her damage was taken while me and her strolled through a lv 500ish normal dungeon.

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