Elona

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Elona+ Custom 1.55 General Information (for newer players): http://pastebin.com/Zcavai8x

Elona+ Custom 1.55 Mods: http://pastebin.com/vZ8Hfw6C

Previous thread: >>14855527

You pat the younger sister's head.
You can't help but smile when you see the younger sister.
The younger sister cranes her neck to look up at you.

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>>14881260
Yerles master race.
Even with the hiccup named magic unleashed upon the world, technology will win in the end.
Praise Mani, ok.

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The Secret treasure of Itzpalt is interesting for a Wizard, but is Itzpalt a good god for the class?

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>>14881850
Some of the gods are getting buffs in Elona+ soon. Stay tuned. Itzpalt is fine, not the best, in his current state.

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dead game

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Who f12 type wizard here?

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>>14881960

Which ones are looking bad in particular? I don't remember the last time I played and I just went Jure for the pillow.

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>>14881960
Do you mean the rewards for worshipping or the npcs themselves?
What happens with saves for new versions by the way, I've played older versions of Elona but I've never played for long enough to stick between versions.

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>>14882144
Kumiromi is the defacto best god as of 1.55 because of his absurd stamina boost. This is going to change in an upcoming version (see below).

https://arch.b4k.co/jp/thread/14806719/#q14810101

This is someone translating part of the Japanese changelog - hasn't yet been implemented in the English version.

>[Changes and additions]
>- Added 6 high-level members to the Shell race. Added 1 evolution pattern.
>- Doubled the effectiveness of the passive ability from worshipping Mani.
>The ability from Opatos has been made to affect more than physical damage.
>Yacatect's ability will now also increase the drop rate of regular items.
>Speed increase and speed cap for worshipping Lulwy also increased.
>20% of max health added to formula for Prayer of Jure, but only for the player.
>- Made it so that Mist of Silence effect will not show up even when out of sight."

There's good reason to believe, in my opinion, that the other god perks will get buffs to put them on par.

>>14882151
The rewards for worshipping. Saves between versions work just fine, although if you move from Elona to Elona+ there's a bit of a gameplay power gap because Elona+ is like steroids for a vanilla character. Always backup just in case.

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>>14882203
Addon to this is the Kumi nerf incoming:

From the changelog:
>- Changed stamina recovery from 2 sp/10 turns to 2 sp/4 turns.
>- Made stamina regeneration from worshipping Kumiromi recover 1 sp/2 turns. [from 1 sp/1 turn]

[Anonymous No.]

If anyone is interested, up5563 contains a map with a cat god custom NPC and a summoning crystal. I've summoned her into my game a while ago, but I haven't seen her yet. She's near the center of the map at the dirt patch and follows you around. She has superb resistances against mind, darkness and nether with little against all other types except magic — the usual no resist. She's proficient in swords, martial arts, bows, evasion and medium armor. The summoning crystal is top right where I'm right now. The map is build like maze. Just mine your way.

www.elonaup.x0.com/sozai/src/up5563.zip

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Is there any way to get the young fox brother's excellent spell loadout on a pet with less speed / INI?

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Do you guys think if a team of these + my pets would be able to take on Amurdad?

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>>14882421
Wow, my leash broke when I used it on the dragon. Never seen that before.

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Goddamn, I can never settle on a fighting style.
I have three different characters I keep bouncing between because of this.

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>>14882434
lol same

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>>14882376
Do what the snai- slime does and have it drink cursed hermes blood and from the well, then inherit the gimped fox brother with a soul spindle.

I do wish there was some official way of lowering INI in game though. Not sure how that would be balanced.

>>14882434
You could use the same character and switch fighting styles on it...

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>>14882203
Oh
Itzpalt isn't getting any change?
That's a shame, is the absorb mana ability actually worth it though?
It seems like it only recovers a tiny amount of mana for the sp cost that it has.
I'd prefer if it was just a mana regen buff rather than a bulk amount given.

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>>14882203
>>14882220
>kumi nerf
>most others buffs
Fug :DDD
ehekatl should of got a buff or some

At least I have a high regeneration spell

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>>14882444
INI is pretty weird to begin with. It's effectively a hurdle that, unlike everything else, never goes away.
I'm not a fan of how it encourages inheritance shenanigans.

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>>14882478
Absorb mana gets stronger as you gain favor with Itzpalt. It actually can restore quite a lot of mana later on. Speaking of favor., I'm surprised a lot of people don't realize that the god bonuses scale with favor. Like if a god gives you bonus to magic attribute the bonus increases as your favor increases.

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>edit character into the clothing slot so that I can actually see the horse when I'm riding
>the horse's face is some scrambled mess of pixels
What the fuck?

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>>14882111
Unless you're just testing stuff. Being an F12 wizard is extremely shameful. I'd say they're even below Lomias.

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>>14882528
>they're even below Lomias
Rude.

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>>14882529
The truth hurts.

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Is there anything more boring and annoying than collecting AP for a pet which is too weak to fight alone?

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Did a test, ammo can't be used for artifact fusion, in fact when using the hammer of garrok on an ammo, it does not gain any bonus, though still gaining the miracle quality.
Both work without issue for non-ammo items.

Disappointing.

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>>14882545
How do you get that skill tracker to appear?
Help me please

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>>14882766
What skill tracker? You mean the life and gauge bar under the pet?

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>>14882772
Under the time compass. On the left side of the screen.

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>>14882766
Oh these. Just go to your character skills and press * over one to track it.

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>>14882630
I have an energy cell with timestop, magic and rapid. Is it possibly to find one with all of those but also explosive and pierce?
Pretty much every single bit of ammo I've seen from adventurers, loot, rewards wherever have all just have either no special ammo or just 1-2. I sort of feel like I've currently got the best ammo I can find until late where I can only assume the artifacts step it the fuck up.

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Mmmmmmmmm can't beat Amurdad. This is so frustrating.

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That dead emperor in Chaos Fort <Hell> is no fucking joke. Goddamn. I said I wanted a challenge but this is ridiculous. Oh well, back to the void. We will meet again Ussyrail!

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>>14882545
Could you please post your item sheet? I'd like to get those buff icons.

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>>14882994
But the buff and debuff icons are the standard icons from 1.55?

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>>14883007
Ah, so it was just an icon I was unfamiliar with. What was the debuff you had on before?

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>>14883012
I think mist of frailness.

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I can't seem to trigger sleep sharing with my companion holding a sleep sheep.
What am I doing wrong?

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>>14883034
Make sure {s}he's in sight before you go to bed and, yeah, just wait.

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>>14883043
She's always in sight when I go to bed, I gave her the sleep sheep for 3 in-game months now and I haven't gotten the event to trigger yet.
So it only occurs randomly and once in a while?

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>>14883050
Yeah but even if it doesn't happen often don't sweat. It's at best a mild inconvenience since the only reward is a blood. If it showed better flavor text then my opinion would be different but it doesn't, so...

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>>14883050
Even with the sleep sheep it rarely happens.

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>>14883055
>>14883058
Ehh, I was trying to get our relationship to soul mate from fellow but looks like I have to grind her up.
I was planning to let it reach to soul mate eventually by sleeping and I'm too lazy to grind but oh well.

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>>14883065
Take her to the puppy cave and teach her shadow step down there. Give it thirty minutes, and hour tops. Could even go to the void.

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>>14882869
I have come to the conclusion that I am currently unable to beat Amurdad. It's always that super regen.

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>>14883141
Can the scissors be obtained through pet inventory?

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>>14883293
Is he actually carrying the scissors in his inventory or is it a drop?

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>>14883303
Carrying.

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Why not just astral pen him then? You can get the sickle too.

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>>14883312
Dunno. Rovid's not carrying the amulet. I'll hop by Amur in a bit to check on Amurdad himself.

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He's not carrying it. Good idea though, never thought of doing that.

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>>14883323
I think that's what most people do.

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>>14883334
All the people here I've seen in the last weeks have fought him.

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>>14883342
How else would you recruit him to your party? It doesn't drop upon death? Do they have like 2000 CHR and levels in Domination or some shit?

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>>14883353
Astral light pen.

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Hey, I found kitty god.

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>>14883868
Do I have to bring my own summon crystals or are there crystals in the .pum file that I can use to download the ket?

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>>14883882
There is one in the top right of the map.

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>>14883886
Cool thanks.

So anyway I recently used AP to teach my dragon Attribute. Amazing skill, really. Everyone should teach it to their Martial artists; well worth the points. Anyway, right now the main element I'm running with is Chaos as the default. I, of course, use the element eyes to change the attribute element when necessary but should I keep it as Chaos or should the default instead be raw magic?

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>>14883055
If you give your pet a custom text/dialogue file, you can make your own flavor text for sleep sharing that your pet will say when you fug them

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Oh yeah, the god recruiting penalty. Well the INI is more manageable now. Also her superb resistances against darkness, mind and nether are still there.

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>>14883868
>>14883913

I hate navigating that horrendous map. I even gave the maze an honest try, at least I would have if it wasn't for the stupid cat following me everywhere.

Where'd you find her?


>>14883902
What's the %txt command for the sleepsharing?

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>>14883922
I said pretty much everything in this post >>14882372

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>>14883928
Where'd you find her in your world, I meant.

Used my one and only insight lens on her and saw she was level 30 with 800 speed. Yours is not.

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>>14883942
I just visited the lvl 34 dungeon which popped up right next to my home. Thought I could give it a try and lo and behold I found her. You find summoned custom NPCs in dungeons relating to their own level. As for the speed, yeah. Since her race is catgod the god recruiting penalty applies. It reduces their stats to make them less overpowered. Forgot that one. If you plan to get one use a monster ball. I've casted domination around 30 times and always got the "nothing happens" message. I just squeezed her almost to death and used a monster ball.

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>>14883899
Pretty sure nether restores HP upon hit, so it basically makes them into a vampire.

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Are there no real drawbacks to whoring yourself to several gods? Punishment hex is only 10000 turns.

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>>14884422
None but imo that and the Karma "penalties" need to change.

>>14884154
What % of damage does Nether restore as HP? Also, nether seems to do the least damage to void mobs.

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>>14884444
First quads. Damn.


Does anyone have a skirt PCC like pic related?

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>>14884422
The real punishment is having to do the favor grind all over again.

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Pastebin slave!

I found some interfaces in the ZIP files on the uploader. Add 'em to the 'bin, please.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8dcb55kfy2gs2mi/Interfaces.zip?dl=0

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>>14885316
Thanks for the find! Have a putitoro.

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>>14885349
There are more, I suspect, floating around in zip files. I just got sick of editing my sheets.

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>>14885316
Thanks for the find! Have a putitoro.

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What's the quickest way of training up Element scar to level fifty?

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>>14885453
Use a strange diary to summon a monster in your home, then pen it in with fences. Make sure the monster doesn't have cursed items (teleport/assassinated by unseen hand) or abilities that can cause damage (like any kind of fire/ice spell), etc etc. Then just stand outside the fence and hold down the key you assign the curse to. If you can silence yourself, this goes by even faster because you won't have to deal with the animations at all.

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>>14885488
>items (teleport/assassinated by unseen hand) or abilities that can cause damage (like any kind of fire/ice spell), etc etc. Then just stand outside the fence and hold down the key you assign the curse to. If you can silence your
That sounds monstrously cruel. I'm probably just tired though.

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>>14885488
Is it best to train spells at 400% down to a set number like 100%? Or does it not really matter.

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>>14885498
>cruel
>video game
what

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>>14885501
The higher the spell potential, the quicker the spell levels up. If you need to conserve stock like with meteor and summon spirits, then best to cast at 400% so you don't waste stock. If you have unlimited stock (most other spells) then train as much as you want, on the understanding that it will take more casts to gain each spell level the lower your potential falls.

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>>14885767
Okay, thank you.

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>>14885501
For me I just train until i'm not satisfied with how fast the spell is levelling. The exceptions, of course, are meteor, summon spirits, and harvest, where I will only cast them when they are at 400% potential (unless I absolutely need to cast them)

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[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if 3 plats was worth feeding that guard a heqet steak for.

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Does the "Invest 50" option only show up if you have enough money for it? If so, whats the average amount for a low level shop? I just found out about investing to get better scrolls.

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>>14886107
Only shows up when you have enough money. No idea about the average, too much variance. Once you clear dungeons reliably, levelling an unlevelled shopkeeper is incredibly cheap, so don't worry about the cost too much.

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>>14886107
Invest 50 is investcost*20, since invest raise rank by 2-3.

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>>14885501
I always start at 400 and train down to 200. Won't actively train with less usually for sanity reasons.

There is also one spell that I have that doesn't allow me to train below 200 potential curiously enough. This spell is magic dart and this happened around lv 800 or so of it. I'll get to like 210 potential and whenever I cast magic dart I won't get any exp like I would with other spells. Have to raise the spell potential above 210 to actually level the spell and start getting exp again.

My highest level spell is magic storm at lv 1002 and that doesn't have the problem of magic dart insofar as it can go below 200% potential. Makes me wonder if certain spells are easier to reach higher levels than others and the existence of soft caps.

On a side note I see that my pet Akeno has been thinking the same thing with proximity assist. Good job Akeno in making yourself deadlier and crafting something that doesn't just end up on the shop shelves.

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>>14886250
Magic dart gives 40 exp, and after making it go through the experience formula, it gives 0.99 ( 0.00099 in ingame value ) at 200% potential and 800 spell level, i.e. rounding to 0, so there's nothing wrong.
Also, the maximum level magic dart can be is 1590, since after that even at 400% potential it gives 0 experience.

Well, that's not correct since if experience is 0 you get a 1/(SkillLevel/10) chance to get 0.001 experience ( 0.005 if high learning proc ).
But just going from 1590 to 1591 would require something like 150000 on average, so it's effectively the cap.

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>>14886250
>level 966 oracle
Do you use it in every single room?
I mean maybe I should be doing that, I missed a fluffy tail by not being observant.

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>>14886355
Thank you for the heads up on what's going on and what to expect later.

>>14886356
I'm not using it for artifact information. I'm actually using it to train the magic attribute. It's an easy spell to stock because you can reserve it at the mage guild and most important, it's one of the easiest spells to spam. Spamming oracle trains your magic attribute so I'd suggest doing it for that.

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>>14886382
>Spamming oracle trains your magic attribute

WHAT

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>>14886596
Yes, spamming oracle is a great way to increase the magic attribute. As you cast it it trains the magic attribute and you should see a couple of increases in magic until the potential tanks. Simply hot key the spell and hold the key down and watch.

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Is there any difference between 200% and 400% attribute potential? I always hear people say to keep potential at superb, but potential displays as superb at 200% and upwards.

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>>14886686
400% is twice as good as 200%. It's just that the "Good" "Superb" etc labels obfuscate the true values.

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>>14885767
I think what anon was asking was, is there a sweet spot?

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>>14886628
How much literacy do you need to be able to read a Golden Bough?

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>>14886718
In a perfect world, the most efficient way to level spells would be to gain one spell level, sleep two days so potential reaches 400 again, and gain another spell level. That would use the least amount of casts and stock to gain 1 spell level.

That way is very time-wasting for the player, though, so you have to consider whether you want efficiency or if you want speed. If it takes you 1 hour to pass 2 ingame days for that spell level, it might take you 5 minutes for 5 spell levels, it's just that your potential will go way down and you'll end up using a lot of stock and MP to do it. As you keep doing that, it will become more difficult to gain spell levels, but then again, you'll have more power earlier.

Especially in the early game as a wizard when you need spell damage, don't hesitate to cast just because you want to be efficient.

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>>14882220
>>- Changed stamina recovery from 2 sp/10 turns to 2 sp/4 turns.

I can finally cook properly and do party quests without having to suck all the blood of my little girl.

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>accidentally plucking an herb plant

FUCK

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>>14887320

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>>14887320
>Exit
>Reload from farm border
fuck da police

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>>14887517
F2

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>>14886810
Don't know the exact amount but considering it's the second highest scoring ancient book I imagine quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

Mia the Cat Freak gives me a weird boner. I think I might have to astral light pen her so we can bump bump together no matter where we are.

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>>14888567
There's a short-haired version with a hair pin on the uploader.

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>>14888567
Gross dude. She's like that token tryhard catgirl every anime fan club has. I'm absolutely sure the magic vendor and the goods vendor regret opening up shop right next to her home.

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>>14888576
She's retarded and has a pretty face, isn't that every guy's dream?

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>>14888584
I certainly wouldn't enjoy waking up every day next to unknyown TRU-BULL~
Kudos to you if you could.

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>>14888584
I'm pretty sure "not retarded" is a significant factor in most guys' dreams.

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Speaking of which, M girl finally decided to engage in bump bump.

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>>14888673
You didn't fuck it up, did you?

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>>14888768
Let's say she had more fun than I had.

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>>14888673
>Sleeping next to you indistinguishably

....


Anyway could you post the bg_re# file please?

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>>14888584
I don't want to deal with anyone whose title is "the cat freak" and speaks like she does.
You can keep her.

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>>14888788
You know, you can find truckloads of these kind of images on pixiv and the boorus if you search for the right tags? Maybe I should just upload all my bg's, since everytime someone asks me to upload one.

https://jii.moe/V1lIk0Ihl.bmp
https://jii.moe/4y2CA6U3x.bmp

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>>14888819
So, uh, what would be the pixiv tag(s) for Elona stuff happen to be?

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>>14888840
Elona?

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>>14888859
What, you mean it's not エロナ or something?

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>>14888878

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>>14888819
Thank you warmly.

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Anyone know where the sprites for the cNPCc monsters come from? And are there any cNPCc I shouldn't bother putting in? (From Miyana's pack)

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>>14889519
And are god pets worth raising, what with the penalty and all? Sorry for all the questions.

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>>14889519
> (From Miyana's pack)

This is what?

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>>14889541
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/h2gm44wuxgom1yg/Miyana's%20CNPC%20Pack1.1.zip?dl=1

The cNPC pack.

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>>14889569
Who is this Miyana also which tiles do I use to keep NPCs penned up?

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I was savescumming, and just as I had managed to get the worst result possible, just after accidentally hitting alt+f4 when I got exactly what I wanted might I add, that fucking "You have discovered some garbage materials: junk, garbage, dog shit" event came up and auto-saved. Now I'm out of a ton of money, and left with literal dog shit. Thanks Ehekatl.

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>>14889519
I BELIEVE the .npc files use the default character sprites. I BELIEVE this but am afraid to test it.

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>>14889540
God pets like the one you get from earning enough favor with a god? No penalty and most if not all are useful in some way. They make good pet candidates.

As for an actual god(Lulwy, Itzpalt, Mani, etc) or a pet of the race god with good attributes then the god penalty applies and it really destroys their attributes. They'll be just a fraction of what they were in regards to power. Up to you whether you want to raise one.

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>>14889660
Monsters of God race. Even if raised from a low level(lvl.3)?

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>>14889660
On the other hand, the penalty to God race pets makes their INI not completely miserable.

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>>14889683
They're god race so the INI values should be ludicrous but that aside? You could do far worse.

[Anonymous No.]

Does Big Daddy have a chance of dropping <God Heart> items?
He is a god race right?

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>>1488958
Don't know. It's the name of the file. And around where the arrow is are the fence tiles. Just use a house board on property you own. Or if you mean other places, Spell or Rod of Wall Creation.

[Anonymous No.]

Getting multiple pets from the insane book: confirmed.

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>>14889709
Machinegod Gunner, yep.

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>>14889720
for

>>14889580

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>>14889632
I'm sorry for that. That's what you get for savescumming

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>>14889642
cNPCs use custom sprites that are inside the .npc files, no need to alter the character sprites. Just pop it in your user directory and the NPCs will start showing up as hostile enemies.

>>14889580
>Who is this Miyana
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User:Miyana
From the wiki. His/her cNPCs went unnoticed, so I asked pastebin anon to add it to the mods list.

[Anonymous No.]

If I create a new shop then destroy my old one will I have to start the rank over from 100?

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>>14889632
You hit enter after that message popped up. You had your chance. It didn't have to end like this.

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>>14886810
The golden bough has a base difficulty of 4080 because the reading difficulty of ancient books is

50 + 50*Index + 20*Index^2,

where Index is (Guild Point - 1).

If the book is blessed, then difficulty = base difficulty / 1.2
If cursed, then it is base difficulty * 1.5

When reading,

if rnd(#of party members? * literacy sum * 4 + 250) < rnd(difficulty + 1), then you have a 1/7 chance to fail.

(The rnd function in hsp generates a number from 0 to the given parameter - 1.)

If you didn't fail, but 10 * literacy < difficulty, then it rolls
rnd(literacy * 10 + 1) < rnd(difficulty + 1) to try to fail you again.

And if you still didn't fail, it'll perform two more similar checks if you have 20 times or 30 times less literacy than the difficulty.

So if you were trying to read a blessed golden bough without reading party, it would take 788 literacy to read it 100% of the time... if I didn't get the formula wrong.

Other base difficulties for comparison:
Dominate: 2000
Wish: 5250
Magic storm: 1400
Oracle: 1500
4D pocket: 750
Water bolt: 350

By the way, turns to read = difficulty / ( literacy + 2 ) + 1
If in a reading party, then turns to read is 1.5 * [ difficulty / (literacy + 2 ) + 1 ] + 5. In other words, it takes 1.5 times as many turns +5.

Partial source: http://jbbs.shitaraba.net/bbs/read.cgi/game/45610/1221134129/
(Vanilla elona)

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>>14889540
Black cat is nice to have if you want the best equipment (If she kills an enemy, there's a chance she'll bless an equipment that drops from it with a random attribute, so you can tack that onto a fully crafted fully levelled living weapon, if i'm not mistaken.) Also they get browbeat when they evolve, which is nice
Fairy is great for seeds, evolution has a nice ability to root multiple enemies.
Exile does a lot of magic damage, but Elona custom makes melee so much better than ranged or magic for pets.
Protector has the Lay Hand ability, if I'm not mistaken, which will save an ally from death and is recharged by sleeping (Basically, is fairly useful if you're squishy and you want to have a backup in case something happens). Evolved form has absolute protect, which protects all allies from harm.
Golden knight has the ability to carry a lot of stuff, and can carry furniture, which is nice early but quickly becomes obsolete.
Golden Goose has platinum song, casting a bunch of buffs on allies, so definitely worth considering if you're going pet based (you can self-cast those buffs though, so if you're running with only one pet it might not be worth it).
Black angel has boost. When evolved it gets lulwy's trick, which will make it one of the fastest pets around
Android has the armor tag, which is nice, but plenty of pets also have it. When evolved, they get an ability that allows it to have all allies in range perform a ranged attack on its target, if they are capable of doing so, which I imagine would do a lot of damage.

Basically, consider
Protector (if you don't like dying)
Fairy (seeds)
Golden Goose (Platinum song)
Black Cat (To make the best equips + browbeat)
Black Angel (lulwy's trick)

The rest are only if you like their design, or if you're like me and are specifically going for an army with one of each divine pet.

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>>14890930
>Protector has the Lay Hand ability
This is an absolute god send heh for protecting my super squishy pumpkin kid.
She so does enjoy getting murdered.

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>>14890930
>>14890967
Lay Hand can also revive the player if they die.

[Anonymous No.]

How immoral is it to reload shiva's fortress over and over again to farm god hearts?
I need more for my pets!

[Anonymous No.]

>>14890999
You may as well cheat engine it and give yourself a nice stack of 999 hearts.

But that's just my opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14890999
Not gamebreakingly immoral. God pets aren't super wow amazing either way, so it's a little peculiar in the first place that they require god hearts, which are ultra rare and one of the few items just plain unavailable until you reach a certain power threshold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14890999
>>14891020
This dechi. If you gotta have all the cute evolved pets, you gotta do whatever it takes to get them. Personally, I think the moral quandaries only come up if it's helping you get through the story dungeons, a big boss, or the Void, if only because you're cutting out the biggest part of the game (grinding for these encounters). There's a lot more questionable stuff you can do legitimately.

You can keep things legitimate by Astral Penning the South Tyris demigods. You'll get the second-best weapons in the game, more body part customizability, a different (maybe better) set of abilities, and a strong pet that has wallet-sized holes in their pockets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14891133
Because they make perfect petfus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14891133
>it's a little peculiar in the first place that they require god hearts
Being cute AND rare is what gives god pets their value.

Would ypu want them as much if they were level 1, looked like yeeks, and spawned like yeeks?

Cheating for god hearts isn't immoral. It's not like you're raising the price of daraprim or anything. It's just... not impressive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14891880
*evolved god pets

[Anonymous No.]

>>14891133
I wish I could buy them from a souvenir vendor or something
I even have the millions of gold it would take, god hearts are just rare drops, but at least a quest and fortress will give you two no matter what
I just use a lot of pets

>>14891160
>>14891880
Being a cute girl is essential to being my pet
Bonus skills, attributes, and fighting styles are a bonus that I utilize

Many god pets just happen to be both useful and cute/unique

>>14891020
>>14891134
Would rather not recruit the demigods, raising pets from scratch is more satisfying. Also that INI, AP training makes my original pets way more powerful and easier to train than the evolved pets in the lost continent. I think they will all eventually get quests to gain their unique items. And just kill them for accessories.

At this point I think I will just become a deity slayer and start killing them for their hearts. I'm at least thankful for a steady supply, just need to get that good.
I'm at that level in the game where I can start training to do just that, but fuck the inner NPCs

[Anonymous No.]

>>14891958
Too bad that delicious metal bit and garbage INI go hand in hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14890999
I personally don't understand the rush to get the hearts that you and others have. While the bonus to stuff and cosmetic difference is nice, I don't think evolutions are so critical from a game mechanic standpoint. Most of the time, an evolution isn't going to provide a night and day difference to the performance of a pet. With Elona Custom new abilities from an evolution might not be as amazing either since chances are, you could of probably taught your pet something if you really wanted to. Also, if you really wanted your pet to look different you can take matters into your own hands without the evolution system.

Since I don't view evolutions as truly amazing I'm under the impression that one can afford to just wait for them to come.

[Anonymous No.]

What is your absolute favorite generated alias?

[Anonymous No.]

Guys help, i was triying to save scum to get the female insectoid from itztapal and in one of my atemps an event happened and auto saved. How do i change my insectod from male to female?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14893510
Give them a blessed Forbidden Meat (created under the recipe called "Sex Change" in the Pot for Fusion.)

[Anonymous No.]

I cant move in the world map beacuse my cargo is too heavy, and in the world map i cant drop items and eating wont lower it enoght, should i kill myself with acid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14893537
Enter the area you're standing on, drop stuff there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14893556
Oh i am fucking retad, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14893510
>>14893524

Or use Elosnack. Go to cdata.s1 tab, go to index 1 at the top, then change the number by gender from 0 to 1.

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone installed cNPCs from Miyana's pack yet? What are your favorite NPCs that you've encountered? For me it would be the Mind Breaker or that little-sister snail. The former because I'm at the level where even my pets can't one shot her making magic burst a real and deadly possibility. It's also interesting because I'm super resistant to all her bolt spells meaning I have a chance to decide whether to risk a death for some AP. The snail because seeing that stupid thing spam dark ball is funny especially since I'm resistant, have attribution shield and she can be one-shotted by my pets.

I'm tempted to just add all the early level NPCs then make a new character to experience them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14894380
Once you start Elosnacking it's hard to stop.
Not even once.

[Anonymous No.]

After throwing two love potions at her there is now an adventurer in Palmia that wants my head. My pets want her dead too now after she beat me up, I just want to be friends. What do I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14894902
Cast incognito, then give her gifts until she no longer hates you. Alternately, kill her over and over until she gives up adventuring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14894949
What kind of gifts can i give to npcs? they always refuse evering, i dont know why but the store clerks hate my guts.

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>>14894949
I just hope I don't get sued for this. By the way have you ever wondered how the PC and co. carry around their stuff? Do I need to have my pet hold a grenade before she can Bakuretu?

[Anonymous No.]

How can i recover an ally from the dojo?

[Anonymous No.]

>From this version on, the stat-increase feats will be gradually exchanged for feats that give abilities and passive effects that can be used for roleplaying.
Neat

[Anonymous No.]

>>14893422
I like the one I'm currently running with, "The Virgin".

It's funny for roleplay purposes... especially since I rolled "Whore Princess" for the name of my house.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14893422

[Anonymous No.]

>>14894985
[i]nteract with them and select the "Bring Out" option. If it isn't showing up, leave the map and come back.

>>14894458
So far I've only met the Bow Maid, Blade, and Rouge Blade (low lvl). Excited to see what new npcs lie ahead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14895052
Only 14 hours consecutively? I'm guessing you just picked up Elona?

[Anonymous No.]

What's the point of reaching the Rank 1 of Adventurers? And how could some guy show up out of nowhere with hundreds of thousands of fame?

[Anonymous No.]

Page two: #####( five #) extra damage to gods and negate paralysis. Keep for a quad-wielding pet or dump?.

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>>14895187
1. No point right now, but something might be implemented later.

2. Because game hates you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14895215
Forgot. Damn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14895250
Imo dump unless you've got nothing better for pets.

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I get kitty banks other than Noyel and the Thieves Guild?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14895323
Sometimes sold by vendors. I've found most of mine in dungeons.

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>>14895250
Heh, my first lightsaber my pet Akeno is using is similar. Probably could do better yeah but if you do decide to keep it like I did just do what another anon suggested me to do. Use a blessed superior material scroll on it to increase the damage dice. Can make a nice stack of them using gem cutting to make scrolls.

I have two living lighsabers waiting for her but I haven't touched them and won't for awhile since I'm saving up mats for artifact fusion which I'll apply first before leveling them. Might want to do the same and try aiming for living lightsabers too.

[Anonymous No.]

Have you ever found one of these?

If so, post it! Mine's ass, I wanna see a good one.
Only one I've found through all my characters and long hours of playtime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14896046
Randomly generated equipment is ass as usual. The picture is ass too, because I forgot to turn off the smelly ass scaling in Windows. I'm too much of a lazy ass to do it again. Everything is ass.

[Anonymous No.]

I couldn't resist doing it, after all.
My ultimate meshera.

Now, the most difficult task of them all : find her a name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14896630
Semen Demon

[Anonymous No.]

>>14896647
N-no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14896661
Prostate Apostate

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>>14896630
How did you do that?

[Anonymous No.]

so, like a real murderhobo I killed a fellow adventurer for his zantetsu. How do I make up with him now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14896994
Kissu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14896994
Giving him drugged food of course.

[Anonymous No.]

How should I level this? Should I bother?

>>14896994
If you can still talk to him, use booze.
If you can't, incognito and booze / drugged food.
Might just be easier to repeatedly kill him until he realizes his limitations and leaves.

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>>14896968

I'm not >>14896630, but as far as I could tell it involves a lot of cursed AND rotten undead dishes and well/fountain drinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14897023
If you have access to Lost Irva you can fill it to the brim with enchantments then kill stuff with it to get a crap-ton of attributes. Or if you don't you can just kill things. U2U.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14897040
Thanks, but it'll be a long time before I'll be ready for Meshera.
I meant what should I pick, like for pure damage?
Will stacking marksman be better than element?
Is magic damage as good on a firearm as it is on a melee weapon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14897088
Marksman affects your ranged multiplier but IIRC skill boosts don't do much. I recommend Lots of element ###s and if possible then magic damage b oost. You could also try to save-scum for proximity assist or interlocking weapons and additional chance to get attacks like on the Gemini. I heard some people also go for #### bonus damage on common enemy types. You could also maybe try to make the thing a status-negation stick. Like try to save-scum for everything from null poison to see invisible enemies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14896968
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Soul_spindle
You use it then make a gene, then with that gene you reduce her to 1 attribute through wells ( don't forget your rods of fire bolt ! ) and with 12 doomed potion of hermes ( buy/keep all empty potion you find and use them on well, but farming small medal is still somewhat mendatory ).
Once reduced to 1*8/2, make a gene, and with the second gene, or third character, you get any possible NPC with that type of INI.

It's... Not something that you want to do more than once, though. Ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14897088
>>14897208

Marksman affects your ranged multiplier but IIRC skill boosts don't do much. I recommend Lots of element ###s and if possible then magic damage b oost. You could also try to save-scum for proximity assist or interlocking weapons and additional chance to get attacks like on the Gemini. I heard some people also go for #### bonus damage on common enemy types. You could also maybe try to make the thing a status-negation stick. Like try to save-scum for everything from null poison to see invisible enemies.

ELEMENT RESISTANCE, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14897399
Can you even savescum artifact fusion? Pretty sure each tear you get from dungeons has a set bonus you can't change.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14897501
I meant the living weapon and I read that there is a message that appears when the weapon level sup. So,.. just save before then and track down the exact moment when the weapon gains a level. Save. Check the attribute, accept or reload, repeat as needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>No longer a Lady Killer

[Anonymous No.]

What melee weapons should I give a pet which only attacks with a ranged weapon. I was thinking two daggers for the juicy hit bonus they provide. But I'm not sure.
The hit bonus from melee weapons counts also for ranged attacks, i.e. ranged weapons, right? Therefore, the decreased accuracy which comes from dual wielding should also affect the accuracy of ranged weaponry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14897981
Claws are nice, since they give both offensive and defensive stats. Pretty sure weapon stats are local, in that a weapon with a lot of to hit won't affect a ranged weapon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14898026
Could've sworn that the hit bonuses of all weapons stack and affect all weaponry. That may have been the case in older versions.

>They do not attack on their own, but use their offensive statistics to improve the damage from every other melee or ranged attack, adding both accuracy and damage.
So claws it is.

[Anonymous No.]

Rubynus provides the biggest bonus to accuracy from all materials, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14897342
>you get any possible NPC with that type of INI
Whoa, wait, how does that work?
Wouldn't the third gene just give you the straight-1s Meshera?

[Anonymous No.]

>Vindalian Jiu-Jitsu
>Increases damage from squeeze special action. Other effects are unknown.
HUGS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14898047
Well if you have anything that provides an interlocking shooting mechanism, I think that would take priority. Can claws even provide that in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14899060
>It provides an interlocking shooting mechanism. - Rank 99, melee, feet, back(Elona+ attribute only.)
I think claws fall under melee.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14899282
No, they're reskinned shields, which I don't believe count as weapons

[Anonymous No.]

>>14898142
Well, if you do it with a meshera, sure.
But if you do it with hyper yacatect for example, you'd still have her reduced to 50 all attributes and 50 speed at the second generation, and at the third generation after reduction of stats during the second have a 458/2 INI hyper yacatect.
From 3116/2000 INI at the start of the process.

Be warned though, the well and medal farming WILL take around ten hours of your time, for each character. Do it only if you really like the NPC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14899999

[Anonymous No.]

I was under the impression that leaving the chaos fort bosses alone would prevent them from spawning in the void. I thought wrong.

Siva popped up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14900399
Interestingly, you can encounter bosses at lower than their natural dungeon levels. I beat Yerleswood this way and got the Piledriver a little earlier than expected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14900415
Oh right, I remember that.

How's the fleshy shrine coming along by the way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14900419
That's not me. Hopefully it all worked out for him though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14900433
Oops, beg your pardon.

[Anonymous No.]

Gardening quests are such a draaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag

[Anonymous No.]

The black cat can bless items. What is the action called?

[Anonymous No.]

Some weak shit mob just one-hit killed me with a grenade. It wasn't even miracle quality. What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14902992
Better work on that sound resistance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14902985
It's not a special action. It's hard-coded in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14903029
Bollocks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14903038
It's a fixed 1/3 chance to lick a drop. I think.

Even if it were a special action, it's not a good idea to make the cat lick everyone and everything with custom AI. It'll get herpes.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it a waste to herb curarias? Is that 800 attribute exp on top of the exp that curarias give, or does it overwrite it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14903259
Not at all. It's the best herb in combo if you want to train all your attributes.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>14900399
Did it drop a god heart?
That's the important part

[Anonymous No.]

I have another to post. I actually kind of want to get a bear pet after this but I'm not sure what kind of pet I'd raise it to be. Can I use a business card to change my pet's class from Warrior to Thief then to something customized like KittenEater and still get the Thief class feats? Also if a pet is a dual/tri/quad wielder and has high stealth is the Warrior feat still better than the Thief one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14906982
I'm actually pretty sure I have a bear one, not sure where I saved it though.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone here know moon? I think I may have stumbled upon a thing that can fix the casting in the Starlight Magical girl.txt

You know how no pets that use the .txt use the text for the spells? Maybe someone could test out the skills here in this .txt that I found on the uploader.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/jc0vo49k4hsquaj/ChalloteJP.txt?dl=0

[Anonymous No.]

Bump what? You target the elona thread. Elisard the citizen notices you. "Guards! Guards!" You are found bumping. Karma(-5)

The thread seems to have slowed a lot this week. I guess all the new players realized their limitations and left.

>>14906877
Yes.

>>14907068
What variant of Elona is this custom npc for? I see flavor text for just about everything - from eating raw noodles to sandbagging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14907558
I'm taking a pause from the game since for now all I have is a routine of mindless grinding without real objective

[Anonymous No.]

>>14907558
I too tried to bump it by dumping pics.

>The thread seems to have slowed a lot this week. I guess all the new players realized their limitations and left.

Maybe, maybe.

>Yes.

Do you mean this in relation to the business cards or the Warrior > Thief for dual-wielding part?

>What variant of Elona is this custom npc for? I see flavor text for just about everything - from eating raw noodles to sandbagging.


I never even considered that different elona variants would have varying levels of support for talk files or CNPC. I want to test it but I don't know what spells are being used and since I can't recognize moon I'm not sure if she'd even be rendering the text properly. This doesn't even take into account the fact that my game only renders Japanese as gibberish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14907577
>Do you mean this in relation to the business cards or the Warrior > Thief for dual-wielding part?
?

>I don't know what spells are being used
It's the numbers in the AI section.

aiHeal. "403"
aiAct. "410,410,405,405,414"
aiActSubFreq. "50"
aiActSub. "621,621,404,646,459"

You can find out which ID numbers correspond to what spells in the table at the bottom of this page:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spellbooks

But some are special actions and the wiki doesn't have their ID number listed, so here they are:

403 cure of jua
410 short teleport
405 healing touch
414 magic dart

621 harvest mana
404 healing rain
646 death word
459 crystal spear

I looked it up, and this seems like it was created for elona_omake or omake overhaul. There's the transmissivity value and stuff in it.

Here's the wiki page for elona omake custom npcs:
http://wikiwiki.jp/elonatxt/?%A5%AB%A5%B9%A5%BF%A5%E0NPC%A4%CE%BA%EE%C0%AE%A4%C8%B3%C6%A5%F4%A5%A1%A5%EA%A5%A2%A5%F3%A5%C8%A4%C7%A4%CE%BB%C5%CD%CD#s18d9950

[Anonymous No.]

>>14907606
>?
Does the 'Yes' apply to:

Can I use a business card to change my pet's class from Warrior to Thief then to something customized like KittenEater and still get the Thief class feats?

OR


Also if a pet is a dual/tri/quad wielder and has high stealth is the Warrior feat still better than the Thief one?



>I looked it up, and this seems like it was created for elona_omake or omake overhaul. There's the transmissivity value and stuff in it.

So there's no way of tagging text to spells used by pets in Elona+? Why then are there so many cNPCs and talk files with those properties? Like:

%txtRegeneration, EN
"Eating dogs gives me unlimited strength!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>14907558
Well, they haven't really added much stuff to end-game Elona, which is where I'd imagine most of us are at by now. I'm just grinding up my pets whenever I have free time, not much to update you guys on.

I am working on updating the monster girl spritesheet, so if you guys have any sprites you'd like to see in it, I'd be happy to take requests

[Anonymous No.]

>>14907677
Yes as in Siva dropped a god heart.

I don't know anything about custom class names or dual wield, sorry. Maybe you meant to reply to someone else?

And I just realized that help_npc.txt has all the spell and special action ID numbers.

>Why then are there so many cNPCs and talk files with those properties
Elona omake is popular. I think the only flavor text conditions supported by elona plus are those in npc_template.txt.

Can't find any template that supports %txtRegeneration. %txtcast<skill> is indeed supported by elona omake though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14907677
His yes wasn't in response to your post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14907558
Stardust Crusader Joan here, I've been lurking since I've been on my shitty laptop that doesn't take pictures as fast. Here is a status update I guess

>tfw no hearts at all

My little girl will never grow up into the Valkyrie she was born to be

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908289
Evolution hearts sell for peanuts (expensive, golden peanuts) in Larna.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908289

>I get asston of evohearts
>meanwhile, I can't even find a spellbook of mutation

with that, rephrasing:
My little girl will never grow up into the Littler Girl she was born to be

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908308
You say that like I got gold to do that

[Anonymous No.]

I've been out of the loop since 1.44, what's Elona+ Custom exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908441
A little patch that improves pet AI and adds little convenience tweaks like being able to quite harvest quests as soon you meet the quota.

[Anonymous No.]

Have any of you tried a Snail-Tourist run yet?

I'm doing one currently. I must admit, I'm a little new to this game and I was a little afraid to do it but so far it's a lot of fun. I got pretty lucky and managed to find a really powerful gun pretty early on, so I've mostly been building my character around that. I bought a Yerles Machine Infantry slave in Derphy and it's been incredibly helpful, ironically, Hunting quests have become a breeze because the combined gun power can stop most enemies before they can get anywhere near me. My biggest mistake so far was picking the cat as my first pet, although I have only myself to blame because I wanted to make the game more challenging. I'm making decent amounts of gold just walking between the numerous settlements and doing all the Hunting quests I can do.

My biggest problem so far are the street cleaners. It's easy to avoid them as long as you remember where they generally tend to be and you abuse teleport scrolls, but I find myself using a few too many teleport scrolls and end up wasting my money on them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908507
Street cleaners kill?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908598
They throw salt at snails.
It hurts just as much as you'd think it would.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908598
they throw salt at you, which is a near instant kill.

It sucks, to say the least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908507
Surround the cleaners' spawn position with doors? The doors don't disappear ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14907685
Have you killed the gods yet? Don't think anyone is truly in end game until they do that.

[Anonymous No.]

Any way to see all adventurers inventory? I know one of them has the Shield of Thorns but I don't know which one

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908650
Either find them in person or Elosnack.
I'm pretty sure adventures show up in towns far more often in Elona Custom, or a recent E+ update improved it. It seems much easier to find them now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908680
Wait, old elosnack works on Elona+?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908702
It has as far as I remember. Maybe not all the new slots have been labeled, but the data formats have never changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908650
Just go to the informer, see where they're are in the world, and track them down.

[Anonymous No.]

So just picked this up (Elona+ custom) after years and years of not playing.

Are there any "you'll wish you knew this" approaches to character design and upgrading? (Do you save all plat for new skills rather than boosting potential still?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908441
In addition to >>14908483, also adds support for cutscenes and translates said cutscenes and also adds a tonne of translated Act2/3 content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908762
Get all the new skills first. New skill plat cost is a lot cheaper now. You'll still have to plat grind after that for potential gains though.

Also pets got massive buffs, so it's good to play with a few pets you like. Feed them good food as they get much higher bonuses from foods than your PC.

[Anonymous No.]

Does the character backstory do anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908844
Makes RP slightly better. I even changed my character and party's story in head-canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908762
Speed is still god.

The only thing you're really permanently stuck with is your race choice.

Buy cooking and gardening early on. Stat bonuses from cooked food is ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

Any environmental hazards to be wary of besides standard etherwind and getting pregger'd from wells?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908993
Also follow up, are the classes fairly well balanced now, or does one tend to dominate the end game a lot better than others still?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909024
Classes only affect the earlygame now, with starting skills, attributes and inventory, as well as a class feat that can be easily changed. Playstyle matters much more - no matter what you plan on going, it's a good idea to have your buffs levelled, as well as maybe a few curses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909024
Class doesn't really matter but a few threads ago someone made the observation that Professional Herb farming Spell-casting Pokemon master is the best build. Or something to that effect. It's not that you can't clear the game 100% with other builds. The thing is this, let's say you've just started up Elona as a Claymore and you find that you have enough literacy to read Holy shield. After some leveling your casting rate for the spell is at ~75%. Not bad, right? Extra DV for super low prices. Then you stumble upon Hero which is even easier to cast. Why not? It only benefits you to buy ten books. Then Feather. Then basic heals. Those spells plus Shining Wave/Pets should be enough, more even, to get you to South Tyris easy. THEN Element dragons start popping up. Shit you can't one shot that also start using Bolt, Ball and other shitty spells. Good thing Attribute exists, right? Pets don't have Superb#####++++++? Healing rain starts to look more and more attractive etc etc etc. Not to mention the fact that pets quickly become and stay 2-3x more powerful than the PC

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908993
Snow really sucks when you're doing escort quests, just press 5 a bunch of times if you're caught out in hard rain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909024
Classes tend to only matter at the beginning of the game as they determine bonuses to attributes, starting skill, and maybe special traits that may help you out a bit. End game classes don't mean much of anything. The truly powerful are the ones that end up with every skill and ALL of them trained up well. They also aren't pigeonholed into one kind of attack style. As such, end game characters don't really have a class. They're just a blob of high everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909145
>Superb#####++++++ Resistance to everything*?

>Not to mention the fact that pets quickly become and stay 2-3x more powerful than the PC

I've also heard of people going petless with great success. Not to mention that this only applies if you are investing in AP, gear that suits the pet and herbs. Basically pets are just the PC but better. Treat them like you would the PC and fights quickly stop being fair. Though South Tyris punishes mediocre pet trainers brutally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909142
>>14909145
>>14909155

Nice. For me, if I grind one class too long the game can start to get tedious, so being able to switch things up sounds great. And thanks for all the help so far guys.

Okay, two last questions and then I'll stop badgering you all with questions. Firstly, any outstanding mods that I should know about? The mod listing gives little to know info on what each does, so I might not realize how good or bad a mod is from reading it.

Second, any go-to preferences for wishes or gods? I've only played basic Elona, so I don't know if Elona+ or Elona+ custom has added anything new I should be wishing for (or worshipping, for gods) that isn't detailed on the wiki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909198
>Second, any go-to preferences for wishes or gods?

Ehektal is 1) the most tedious god to max and 2) imo the least useful. She goes last. Once you have some farms up Kumiromi is stupidly easy to level but most people go for Mani first.

pcc mods allow you to add a large amount of cloth/body/hair etc customization to any and all characters. Item.bmp files change the sprites of items and the basic interface is hideous so you might want to swap it for something else. With enough creative you could even make it so that your game consists only of Edo period NPCs fighting strange and evil creatures.

That said, after installing a shit-ton of pcc (260 pcc_cloth and nearly 300 pcc_etc) files my game has started to lag heavily on startup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909304
I always go Opatos first.
Gotta get waifu knight with 2 tons of carrying capacity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909304
I got the PCC packs from http://vkyo.web.fc2.com/index.html . Some of them contain individual sprites rather than a sprite sheet... are these supposed to be edited in to the main character.bmp spritesheet, or is there an override folder these can be put into?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909420
pcc_X files go into the pcc folder. Not the 'Old PCC ' folder, mind. Keep some things in mind:

Not every cloth/etc is compatible with every base body. I recommend adding the bodies from the 'OLDPCC' folder to the other one without overwriting any existing ones.

If files are ordered pcc_x_1, pcc_x_2 and pcc_x_5, the game will only allow you to select up to pcc_x_2. Fill the gap with anything named pcc_x_3 etc.

[Anonymous No.]

Does elona+ work well with wine?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909507
I think... I got it. What about the portait pack, are those supposed to be trimmed and re-named, or are their gaps in the naming sequence because they're supposed to overwrite NPC/pet portraits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909592
Loose sprites with black backgrounds need to be edited to either item.bmp or character.bmp

Portraits, if you want to replace the portrait1 file in graphic need to be the same size as the original portrait 1. Custom portraits that go in the /user/graphic folder need to be named face1, sized at 80x112 and saved as .bmp.

You can also save loose sprites here as char# but they can have green backgrounds too I think and the size can be 48x48 or 48x96.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909522
Test it and report back.

>>14909647
>>14909592
Face1 or higher in an ordered list with no gaps.

>are their gaps in the naming sequence because they're supposed to overwrite NPC/pet portraits?

??

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909655
x.x Don't have wine installed, thats why i asked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909675
>>14909522
Elona+ Custom works in Wine for me, so yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909675
Install wine and test it. Most of us, based on the fact that most people are running Windows and this is the first time I've seen someone ask your question, are on Windows and thus don't use Wine. If you're on Mac or LinuxBSD (if that's what it's called.) you'll need to test it yourself.

>>14909691
Beat me to it but this should be added to the FAQ in the pastebin even though it's not really a FAQ.

[Anonymous No.]

I found:

・カスタム口調において、txtDialog（会話時のセリフ）以外でも、
{you}、{sex}、{player}、{aka}、{npc}、{onii}、{syujin}といった変換語を使えるように。
{ある}、{が}、{か}、{かな}、{くれ}、{だ}、{よ}、{だな}、{だろ}、{る}、{たのむ}、{のだ}、{な}、{くれ}
、{しろ}といったNPC個別口調も変換可能。
・調教鞭をNPCに使うことで対象NPCの個別口調を変更することが出来る。

▲ ▼
ElonaPlusの拡張書式－{}置換文 Edit
タグ名 備考
{npcc} 行動を起こしたキャラ名。{npc}の代わりに追加された
{nptc} 行動の対象となったキャラ名。{npc}の代わりに追加された


on http://wikiwiki.jp/elonatxt/?Elona%2B%A4%CE%B3%C8%C4%A5%BD%F1%BC%B0%A4%CB%A4%C4%A4%A4%A4%C6

Does the JP text mean what I think it does? You can have the pets refer to themselves and the pc by name?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909693
It is in fact GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909145
>>14909183

I've seen this notion that pets are much stronger than the PC over quite a few threads now and I guess I'd like to share some of my own observations.

Pets benefit much more from herbs than the player does. I would definitely give pets herbs to increase their overall power however, attributes alone isn't always indicative of damage potential.

For instance, my character Kai has lower attributes than his strongest pet Yuki but I consider much much stronger than all his pets. The damage I shove out is either equal to her power or leaps and bounds higher than hers despite lower attributes and comparable skill/spell lvs (My lv 1002 magic storm to her 1000 skill lv in two hand and tactics). Yuki's average damage is around 50k and her crits are in the 100k+ range. My damage with spells is either as low as 10k or as high as 20 million damage. Also of note, due to how spell damage is calculated for the player compared to how pet spell damage is calculated the player will win. So far I'm under the impression that if you go the spell casting route at least, none of your pets can surpass you in the damage department assuming you take the time to grind out the spells.

Pets get more bonus skill points out of AP exchange than players. A melee or ranged only oriented character can match a pet in power but due the AP exchange rate a pet can probably become stronger faster. The picture becomes strange if you are a hybrid melee or range caster though in regards to skill points.

You see, pets don't necessarily have a trick to level up easily after lv 250ish. The player however does through killing off the high level spirits he/she summons through spells. Due to this, the AP bonus thing of pets does not compare to the player who can make 1000 bonus skill points through level ups in a short amount of time assuming his/her summon spirit stock holds up. Since no level up trick exists for pets, I don't see my pets having more HP or MP than my character for a very long time too.

So in short, the easiest way for a player to become stronger than his/her pets is through magic. Although having said that, a non magic character can certainly control the power of his/her pets whenever they wanted to. It's not like you have to give your pets herbs or take advantage of AP. You can always slow it down. Also, I actually highly recommend you don't let your pets become much stronger than you because a lot of problems result from that. Lastly, you don't need to play with pets and people have done amazing things without pets. The god slayers that came before me that I saw in past threads didn't even run with pets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909717
Yes. Putting {you} or {me} in the text will result in Japanese though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909777
Hypothetically speaking if all else were equal and a PC was around your level MINUS all magic but was a Melee gunner would the difference between the PC and his/her pets be as great as that of castersPC v pets?

>>14909788
Do you mean that if a PC is named Janice and the text is:

%txtDiscipline
"SHUT UP, {player}!"

The whole text would be Japanese or just the {player}?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14908854
>Makes RP slightly better. I even changed my character and party's story in head-canon.

Only if you reroll a lot. Some of them are just hard to work with, like, "You have no gag reflex," or "Imprisonment is your hobby." Damn it Japan, stop making me think this is an H-RPG.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909803
It would show up as "SHUT UP, Janice!" The only ones that show up in Japanese are {you} and {me}. If you were to put in "SHUT UP, {you}!" the SHUT UP would show up in English, then the {you} would be in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909811
What are {me} and {you} for? Do you mean if I put in {me} to whatever phrase it would render as watashi or some other variant of 'I' in Japanese? Same-ish for 'you'?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909823

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909847
Grammar. That's the purpose of the other {items} too, right? They serve no other purpose? Why do they even exist? Don't most people past the age of five write 'I' or 'you' or 'and' reflexively when writing as characters or themselves?

Could also use the rabbits for rabbit tail farming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909803
Without any magic I believe you can match in power eventually but the pet will grow faster. Pretty much both can reach the end 2000 skill and at that point both of you should do equal damage but the pet will get there faster if you let it. I will put forth you don't let it run too far ahead in the race to 2000.

If someone can't handle the dungeons that their pets can handle the game will force correct the situation where progress for their pet will hit a wall until they catch up. From what I've seen, this looks like a pretty painful situation. If they reached the point where they have to actually wall up and hide inside their bunker until their pets hopefully clear the dungeon floor they really need to cut their pets off. Redirect their efforts into growing their character. Make the herbs go to their character instead and solo things by themselves until they can look their pets in the eyes again and tell them that they got their back if things go wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909869
>If they reached the point where they have to actually wall up and hide inside their bunker until their pets hopefully clear the dungeon floor

I..don't do that. I fight too, I would, but they're just too quick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909857
The various {tags} are meant to be used for pet talk files and NPC dialogue. Like when a NPC doesn't want to talk to you, the dialogue that shows up is (NPC) glances at you and steps back. In the text files, {nptc} is used so that the NPC's name displays there instead, so the line can be reused for all NPCs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909803
Yes, I think it would be a bit different. Mainly because of what I outlined in my post about the level up trick available to casters which leads to lots of HP, MP, and bonus skill points. However, I will say that whereas I don't really need to actively keep my pets in check since I'm a gunner/mage hybrid. A pure melee/range user can still keep his/her pets power in check by purposely redirecting resources. If your pets are getting too strong you can always do what other anon said with redirecting herbs to yourself and traveling around solo for awhile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909886
Would

"Soul eater eats {player}'s soul"

be {npcc} or {nptc} in the Soul eater portion of the sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909910
It would be {nptc}.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909777
The wiki says damage die are calculated as x * y +z.

Yuki's attack is already 27k without Z (150 * 183.3). Is a flat 358 really useful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909976
You want the highest number possible before the multiplier kicks in to do the most damage so Z is helpful. Also, what wiki page are you referring to? I've always been under the impression it's xdy + z * multiplier. So for her, random number between 1 to 150 add 358 then times 183.3. So she's capable of a lot of damage but the PV down in the void eats a lot of that damage. In normal dungeons she gets 100k+ non crits sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14910043
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Weapon_stats

>xdy + z * multiplier.

I too thought that actually, which was why reading the page was a bit of a shock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14910056
I might be blind. I'm not seeing x * y + z on the wiki. That formula can't be right though. It's saying her cap damage(non crit) is around 27k which is a farcry from xdy + z * multiplier which indicates a max non crit damage of around 93k. Sorry was accidentally adding the lightning damage her weapon does when I said 100k non crits.

Anyhow, the numbers in this pic shows xdy + z * multiplier makes sense. This is her in a lv 590 normal dungeon. A normal hit from her did 69k and later 83k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14909976
>>14910056
>>14910172
(xdy + z) * multiplier

[Anonymous No.]

Haven't played in a while and the wiki says Elona's chat is down so this question is dated.

How does the chat even work? Like who runs it and where is it? I know the ingame command and elochat.exe and all that, but the original dev quit a long time ago. Did some Japanese guy just buy it up and run it for a long time? If it's still dead, could someone buy it up and run it today?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14910400
The original dev kept paying for the chat and forum servers, until December 2015. Then he made an announcement on the Elona main website saying he will stop paying for the server.

That's why chat and forums went down. jdestroy worked to get the forums back up now, and he's supposedly working on getting the chat back up too.

[Anonymous No.]

So, any thoughts on wishes i might want to look into in terms of Wishing now that I've gone from Elona vanilla to Elona+ (with Custom)? Or are the best wishes in Elona vanilla still the best wishes here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14910450
You may want to read the pastebin for new players. Aside from wishes it can also get you up to speed with Elona+

http://pastebin.com/Zcavai8x

A lot of people usually go for seven league boots or happy bed as their initial wish. More wish suggestions are in that pastebin too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14910450
Seven league boots, happy bed, after that it's really up to you what you need.

Miromi for more feats, treasure map if you want some good gear, rare scrolls, hermes blood for stockpiling and training speed later, etc..

[Anonymous No.]

>>14910473
>>14910489
So basically the same stuff as in vanilla. Shame, I was hoping there were some cool trinkets that might be even more powerful, but the regular stuff is okay too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14910493
Elona+ added several neat precious items, but you can't wish for those. You can't wish for evolution hearts as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14910493
You can get some neat pets from wishing, but only after you finish a certain quest.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Insane_book

[Anonymous No.]

Anna, do you mind if I send your bug list to Ano?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14910927
Something something about Ano not acknowledging "mods" of his mod.

[Anonymous No.]

So I'm making custom NPCs right now. Anyone got a good idea what a caster pet should be using once it reaches low health? Preferably something that isn't healing since I plan on making a healer pet later on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14911288
Some kind of teleport maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14911308
That could backfire pretty hard. The thing is, the pet keeps using that action till the enemy is dead or it's HP has replenished to the point it uses the usual routine. It should be something offensive. I thought of mana burst, but that is usually a death sentence from my experience with the M Girl. Then I thought about giving it Over-Ray or MP breath, but those actions need 50% or 25% gauge from the special bar to work and if the pet doesn't have some gauge it keeps running around like a headless chicken with the message "nothing happens" till it dies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14911288
I make every pet get the hell away as soon they go lower than 50% HP, how does contingency work? That could be usable

[Anonymous No.]

>>14911357
It keeps spamming it. It won't work, unless it dishes out damage and kills the enemy or restores HP to get out of the routine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14911377
Nether dart would work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14911337
Shadow Step > Teleport Other

[Anonymous No.]

>>14911394
Yeah, I was thinking of using the ball variant of nether, but it doesn't fit with the theme I had in mind for this pet.

>>14911401
I tried teleport other, but it also targets me.

I think I just go with mana burst. Make it a loose canon once it reaches low health.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14911407
Web? Meteor might make your pet a nice aloha Ackbar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14911424
Yeah no, meteor is not really convenient. I'll check out the other special actions. Maybe shining wave, but that is strength based.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone knows what this action is or does? It's called actPSY and enemies die because their brains go poof. Is it based on mind damage?

[Anonymous No.]

Nevermind. It's probably Psychic wave.

Psychic Wave
1 turn restraint and 1.5-2x the level of the user as fixed damage to enemies within sight

[Anonymous No.]

There's also the perception based homing lazer the mobile communications equipment uses. But I would like to know how exactly the damage for that action is calculated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14911236
It's not related to custom. I'm just hoping that the bug fixes in custom will make it to e+.

[Anonymous No.]

Are the Yeles (sp?) still the best in the long-run for the extra skill points, or do racial damage resistances from others tend to outweigh it by the end-game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912266
I heard Fairy is pretty based but I'm not sure why races even matter at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912313
You mean they can be changed, or just that the bonuses are so tiny by the end-game it doesn't matter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912323
Granted getting seven skill points instead of six can be nice but the things you can do at the late game...

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912328
Eh, guess I'll probably go Elea for my caster then. Or maybe Lich for the good spread of resistances.

Does eloasnack still work with elona+ custom? In case I want to change races later on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912351
I believe so, yeah. If ever you get bored you can always use the extra races. Beware 1000/1000 INI, however.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912353
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912364
In the .config file there are debuf races. Set it to '1'. Not all of them come with the usual default slots. Some only have four Arms and nothing else, some have no waists, others yet have none. This is typically made up for with crazy high stats, life, mana, speed and skills.


1000/1000 INI is the tradeoff.

[Anonymous No.]

Did anyone ever figure out what the "You moe." feat in the original game did?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912436
It does nothing. It's just there to say that the little sister is cute.

Very cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912536
Those attribute sprites. Wew lads.

[Anonymous No.]

Does PV and DV both only effect physical (melee and ranged) attacks? Or do they have any bearing on spells or special abilities?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912672
Element Resistance reduces spell damage. It would be cool is every point above 100% resistance to an element healed you for that amount when getting hit by the element.

Like if you had 105% resistance to fire and got hit by fire bolt you'd heal for 5% of the damage if you had 0% resistance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912693
You don't get above 100% resist though, I'm pretty sure. Can't even hit 100% at all

[Anonymous No.]

What does the little pair of orange wings beside an an item attribute mean when inspecting a piece of equipment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912898
Old artifact fusion system. I think equipment with winged attributes could be destroyed and the attribute transfered to another piece of equipment. It was never implemented.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912924
Any decent way to carry around a happy bed, or does everyone just use something lighter for dungeons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14913017
Use scrolls of change material to transform it into spirith or dawn cloth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14913017
I died to an unlucky crit in the puppey cave in my early days and dropped my first happy bed. I never carried it around with me again.

[Anonymous No.]

Do rotten corpses still provide potential increases like fresh ones when consumed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14913054
If you wear equipment with the " It allows you to digest rotten".

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912896
That's correct, since the way resistance works is that damage taken is inversely proportional to resistance.
Also, for anyone who doesn't know: magic resistance also acts as a little bit of every resistance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14913322
If you have zero dark resist but a lot of magic resist, do you get blinded by dark spells easily?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14913341
I'm... not really sure how status effects interact with resist, actually.
From my experience you get pummeled with them a lot no matter your resistance unless you get immunity from some piece of equipment.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know what folder you're supposed to put graphics in to make them available for shapechanged pets?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14913829
/user/graphic

[Anonymous No.]

>>14913843
Hmmm... what does the chara_eXX.bmp and chara_pXX.bmp labeling for sprites refer to? (Where XX is a number value). Are these adventurer sprites, or pet avatars, or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14913975
Do you mean in the /user/graphic or just in general? The numbering is so that the game knows which files to use and where.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14913980
Well, I downloaded a sprite pack which had files with those labels, which is supposed to go in the user/graphics directory. But I'm just trying to figure out which sprites they would override on the character.bmp sprite sheet, if any.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14913991
'i'nteract -> Shape change -> Scroll until you see empty slots. You could probably safely overwrite too. Probably.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way for me to gene-engineer hands onto a cat? What about bodies onto bears? Which is better between them for a dual-wielder?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914138
A regular cat? Because if you mean the black cat pet, it should already have all the standard human-shaped slots for equipment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914149
Regular cat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914138
>>14914151
Doctor Gavela in South Tyris can add slots to pets (randomly, so you may want to savescum) at the cost of a bit of Life.
Bear in mind that going over the normal human number of slots imposes a speed penalty like for Mutants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914149
>>14914151
>>14914138


Two hand wielder is what I meant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914160
Well the Two Hand bonus actually applies even if they only have one hand I think.
It just requires you only be wielding one item in your hands.

[Anonymous No.]

Are magic hearted rabbits the best melee pets? That time stop spell is crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

Hmm... I noticed on the sprite upload database, a lot of images are paired two sprites side-by-side in a single image. Can the game actually handle variable sprites like that (toggle between the two when attacking versus idle or something), or even use those full sized PCC animated ones? Or is it purely limited to static sprites?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914160
A default body setup(Ex: Yerles equipment slots) is good enough for a two hand wielder. You will have two hands but you will only equip one weapon to take advantage of the two hand skill.

>>14914230
Might want to look at the murder knight as well if you like time stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914250
Pccs go into the /graphic/pcc folder. The game uses them perfectly fine provided they're of the right size.

>>14914269
INI though...

[Anonymous No.]

A few questions I couldn't find answers to on the wiki. What are:

- Taktstocks (The symphony conductor's stick thing)
- Pleasant sleep blankets
- Town management and authority score?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914381
> Taktstocks (The symphony conductor's stick thing)

Let's you control pets' burst gauge, I think.

>Pleasant sleep blankets

Prevents the pet holding it from making items of any sort.

>Town management and authority score?

Unfinished new feature.

[Anonymous No.]

So how do you solve werewolf problems now without just personally lynching them in public?
Every time I accuse a werewolf it just says "X NPC was suspected around" and nothing happens.

[Anonymous No.]

Huh. Wow. I guess you can use those "four-sided" player sprites for companion bodies instead of just static 1-image pictures. Cool.

[Anonymous No.]

Here's a tiny bit of data regarding herbed food.

I know the wiki mentions somewhere how food that boosts stat growth (putitoros, steamed meat buns, etc.) does not affect the herb bit, and so it's pointless to use those before chomping on herbed foods. However, after one test each of eating 50 herbed curarias with or without stat growth boosters in a hunger demon session, the stat growth boosting foods did have a small effect. I think this is because the base stat experience from the curarias, independent of the herb bit, was boosted.

So, if you really want to be efficient and you eat your herbed curarias all at once, do eat stat boosters beforehand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914495
Possible eureka moment!

If you were to eat stat boosters before eating rare herbs straight, would those gains be higher than eating herbed herbs?

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Food/Technical

Herbed herbs give 800 + (original food bonus). In practice, that means 800+100 in all stats for a curaria. The "herb bit" is unaffected by stat boosting foods.

The buff for stat boosters "says" it boosts stat growth by 45. I'm not exactly sure what this means or what the disclaimers are, because 45 seems like a huge number. But if it applies to plain herbs like mareilon, that would be 45 x 800 (average stat bonus for a rare herb) in 2 attributes: 36000. Divide that by 4, since you have eight stats and each rare herb grows 2 stats, and you still have 9000. 9000 per 1 rare herb. That's ten times the growth of plain herbed herbs, or, if you eat stat boosters with herbed herbs, it's a little under 2x as much.

Assuming stat boosting foods actually work as they say they do, can anyone point out where this math might be horribly wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914560
>>14914495
> stat boosters

What is this

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914585
Putitoros, mandrake salads, special steamed meat buns, and puff puff breads. All are made with the pot of fusion, some require particular monster corpses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914604
Not raw 'maintains' equips too, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914610
They have different rates of growth. I didn't do any extensive testing, but a few different raw foods had modifiers ranging from 5x to 40x growth. Problem is, there's no way to know (?) what the bonus growth rate will be until you eat it.

Sidenote to the herbed herbs, also: They train speed, which plain rare herbs do not do, so that's an additional bonus to herbing herbs that you won't find in many other places after maxing out AP speed at 800. My own oversight for not measuring my speed growth when eating those herbs. I'll see if I can dig up an older save and post those results later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914495
>>14914560
Herb bit is unaffected by hungry status is all the page says.
There's no reason it's not affected by attribute growth boost, it's just that the 800 is not lowered if eaten before being hungry or lower.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914698
And after redoing those tests without any stat boosting foods, I gained 3 speed from 50 herbed curarias, going from 956 to 959. This was starting at max potential after quaffing 1 speed upper. Younger characters with lower speed would likely gain more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914730
I respectfully disagree. It's my understanding that the herb bit is calculated separately from nutrition, so it's unaffected by the stat boosters and just given as a flat 800 bonus in all stats at the end.

If it didn't, we'd be looking at 800+100 (the 100 is from curaria) = 900. 900 x 45 (from stat boosters) = 40500. 40500 per one rare herb. and
>>14914495
here, we'd expect far greater stat growth for using stat growth boosters, but it's just not there. You get maybe double the extra points, not 40 times' worth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914864
It's 45%, not *45.
Assuming 300 attribute and 250% potential, 800 gives 51 (0.051) effective exp, and after a 45% attribute boost gives 73 (0.073).

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1p3S16qPZFSdZdQoVF8hjsZf7ovS6H-cpjmSaH2qZn6I/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=921650695

[Anonymous No.]

Is the anon that manages the Elona+ mods pastebin around?

I took the PCC graphics pack linked in the recommended mods list ( PCC Collection: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zfjnqpzx7ej4em2/Elona%20-%20Graphic%20Packs.zip?dl=0 ) from the pastebin. Then I went to the japanese Elona database and added a bunch of the higher quality custom PCCs to the file.

Many of the ones I added were bundled several to an image, meaning the only way to use them was to go into photoshop, manually cut them apart, and save/rename them properly. So if you were too lazy to do so or didn't know how, this might be the only place you can get about 30 of the higher quality ones. I use them for pets, personally.

Download link is here:
https://mega.nz/#!tF5SDCQK!icIdRdrv3SuTvDAIZXUPes0IYaZ_zr8NVHlczuc9ktw

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915051
** If you downloaded it from the first link I posted ~30 mins ago, it's missing an image (#129), so insert a dummy image to fill the gap or download from this new, fixed file:


https://mega.nz/#!VZoBQYrC!726vJ5V9KkzPLgj7f4DzG103aJh8xTnz6XmkriKNvwk

[Anonymous No.]

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Found the formula for pet training cost in the comments of the potential wiki page.

CostCheck = (INI, Stat * 8) + (INI, Speed * 10)
if ( CostCheck > 20000 ) {CostCheck = 20000}
Ending Cost = CostCheck - (Charisma * 5)
if ( Ending Cost < 0 ) {Ending Cost = 500}
if ( Ending Cost < APCheck * 50 / 100 ) {Ending Cost = CostCheck * 50 / 100}

So basically, for INI x/y, it gives a minimum training cost of (x*8+y*10)/2.

1002 for my weak snails, 1642* for my weak meshera, and more relevant for a lot of you 1748 for the starting little girl.
*For comparison, a meshera freshly copied cost a minimum of 10038 per training session ! It was worth the trouble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14914953
Thanks for poking a hole in that theory. Elona mechanics are pretty obtuse sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915177
>APCheck
What is that value?

[Anonymous No.]

Question, anons.

The face1.bmp (default portraits sheet) that come with the game are smaller than the in-game portrait window, so the game seems to stretch them to fit.

Now I'm trying to replace the face1.bmp with one containing full sized portraits (matching the size of the in-game window, the same dimensions as you'd normally put in user/graphics).

My problem is the game still keeps trying to stretch these new, larger images. Even though they'd fit perfectly without stretching, it still stretches them to the point they're too large for the window.

The game does not stretch user images in the user/graphics folder. Only those in the face1.bmp (default portraits sheet).

Does anyone know a way to disable this stretching/expanding for default portraits in the face1.bmp?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915243
Looking at the AP page, there's only one formula that seems relevant or makes sense in context : (Attribute INI + Speed INI) + (total AP / 5).

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915134
One last file before I call it quits: 100 individual profile pictures.. And not those ugly, stretched resolution default ones, but instead higher res.

Note that the game caps custom profile pictures at 40. So you'll have to rename and reorder to get the ones you want.


https://mega.nz/#!sBJWFb7L!7r1-fpoXwu1nPdluIwTbdwS7mhdh3STUEPXtzTiut3A

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to wish for a fountain?
Would like a couple out the front of my palace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915925
Try it out on a wizard mode character first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915931
Don't wizmode wishes let you wish for things you normally can't though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915925
It is but they weigh a lot and as far as I know you can't pick them up even with pickpocket. So make sure you know exactly where you want them or you have to burn them down with fire wall spell/rod.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915941
Correction. You can pick them up if they're your own wells, i.e. you wished for them. They weigh 350s.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915941
>>14915945
Thanks.
Guess it's something I'll have to work towards later.
I do have a rod of wishing but I don't really think I should use it on a fountain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915941
>>14915945
>>14915958
Reminder that the load-bearing knight is perfect for your altar- and fountain-moving needs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915994
Is collecting all the god stuff worth it?
I kind of want to try it but I'm not done with the main story yet so I don't have access to that ranch for holding excess pets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916015
I don't know if it's the best use of your time, but it never hurts to have those artifacts (especially for pet use).
The bigger issue is the cap on the number of god pets you can have gifted to you, which is Faith limited. You can have up to (10/Faith) god pets, minimum 2, so you'll need a lot of Faith to get them all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916025
Er, Faith/10. Whoops.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915941
>don't have access to that ranch for holding excess pets
Place them in the doujou. You'll have to pay some money, but it's inexpensive even in early game.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow, forbidden meats suck.
Blessed meats turn Female to malemale? T-this isn't what I signed up for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916144
Gee Bill.
Two wieners?

[Anonymous No.]

So I got a duplicate zentetsu, can I do anything with it except rerolling a miracle longsword?

[Anonymous No.]

Not really. You could trade it to an adventurer for something...? If you do reroll, do make sure to reroll the crappier zentetsu, as precious artifacts can come with additional enchants depending on your luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916208
oh...
so that's why my elemental staff has a boost to charisma on it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916208
>>14916230
Also, does that mean if you're gonna reroll artifacts you should wait for lucky days?

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>>14916230
Yes. You can get additional stats through artifact fusion too, but that's an entirely different thing.

>>14916234
Yes, though I personally don't do it because I'm lazy. If you're doing that, Ehekatl's feat should also help. Some people used to reroll artifacts at the strange scientist on lucky days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916246
So what, toss your artifact weapon on a pet, throw them in the doujou and hope the little sister reward artifact is better?
Or do you have to toss the weapon?
I have 4 or 5 rewards lined up currently anyway so sort of feels like I might as well try it once.

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>>14916251
>4 or 5 rewards lined up
At the strange scientist? Uh... it may be a good idea to spend the rewards on something better. Like kumiromi's gemstone, for example. It's better to just improve the artifacts later on with artifact fusion.

My precious artifacts are all in a pile, and if I get an extra I also toss it in. I then pick the inferior copy and grab it. That's when it turns into something else.

If for some reason you really, really want to reroll artifacts at the strange scientist...

Given the same luck (base + equip + feats) and ehekatl's feat, equipment with the same name on the same day of the month offered by the strange scientist will always have a fixed enchant.

So if you have say 900 total luck + ehekatl's feat, and you check in with the strange scientist on the 5th, then keep rerolling the list until a <Moan of Gay> shows up, it will have the exact same enchants as the <Moan of Gay> that someone sees at the strange scientist. Provided that the other person also has 900 luck + ehekatl's feat and also checks the strange scientist on the 5th.

That's what people say anyway, and apparently it also works on static precious artifacts and their luck-based additional enchants.

Listed here are the days + luck + equipment name + other factors and the extra enchants people saw on some equipment at the strange scientist:

http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/?%A5%EA%A5%C8%A5%EB%CA%F3%BD%B7

[Anna !NwnXkFZetU No.]

>>14910927
Feel free. The preaching thing was already fixed. Leave me a message on the wiki if you want me to give a better breakdown of the few other bugs I have fixed.

[Anonymous No.]

huh, I reached *love* status with my roran, and she won't make me breakfast or armor . I'm on 1.55.1 custom
What am I doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916483
Are you waking up at 4-9am?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916491
And to add to that, does your roran actually have the cooking and carpentry skills?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916491
Yes, just work up at 6am to make sure, nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916505
She does, cooking and both tailoring/carpentry. I think all little girls start out with them anyway
Does she need tools maybe?

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>>14916515
> I think all little girls start out with them anyway
They start out with neither.

>tools
No tools needed. She makes breakfast and armors from nothing.

Does she have a pleasant sleep blanket on her? (She should not.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916526
>pleasant sleep blanket
Thanks, it was this. What is this thing used for anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916532
If you have more than 1 ally with cooking/carpentry, give a pleasant sleep blanket to the ones you don't want to cook breakfast/craft stuff for you. That way the exp is concentrated on one pet and they improve faster.

The idea behind the blanket is to make them nice and comfy in bed so that they oversleep.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I'm ready to kill Zeome, should I bother getting Gwen before she grows up? She's cute, but I don't think I can find an astral light pen easily

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916576
I did, but that's because I get autistic over NPCs I won't be able to see again.
Especially when they are cute

You can evolve her too, and I miss Gwen following me around and singing. At least she still lives on innocently in my discarded ranch

[Anonymous No.]

>>14912266
>Yerles
For extra skill points, certainly.

The racial damage resistances aren't a big deal in end game, especially considering the downsides that come with Fairies.
When you get to artifact fusion, you can just make all your equipment resistant to whatever you want, plus innate resistances from corpses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916144
Bless them next time

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know moving diagonally takes more time? (Since IRL, moving diagonally is 1.4 times farther than moving orthogonally)

Also, besides snow, does terrain affect movement speed at all on the world map? Like roads tiles or forest tiles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916809
The problem is, they WERE blessed.

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>>14917145
And I'll add that there's no way of getting a malemale/femalefemale character back to a proper sex except by blanking the sex by changing the language settings, then using a forbidden meat, then changing language settings again to blank it, then using a second blessed meat. Even then, it'll be "male", not "Male" like a default character.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone explain how the whole werewolf game mechanic works? I can't find any documentation on it. Are there consequences to failing or successfully finding a werewolf? Can you attack a werewolf NPC while they look human, or do you have to reveal them first? And how do you reveal them?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm thinking of making a pure caster with a few pets, but the whole magic/spell stock system just kind of stymies me.

Any hints or anything that someone could offer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917402
Start playing. It's nothing complex. Just buy books, look at your spell stock, read the book and look at the stock again. When the stock <=0, you're no longer able to cast the spell. Books add to stock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917402
Anything specific?

If you join the mages guild you can order on-demand whatever spell book you want, so you never really have to worry about running out of spell stock. Plus as you level up your ability to use each spell, they're more powerful, so you consume fewer uses to take down baddies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917418
>>14917416
Nothing specific yet, but I'll roll something up and report back with any questions.
Time to Magic Dart all the things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917425
This isn't D&D or anything; you won't really get screwed over for playing hybrid builds. I personally play a hybrid shooter/boyer + caster. You can blast away all the weak mobs with ranged weapons and pet assistance, and save your spells for the powerful or high PV/DV mobs. (You can go melee too, but you get a minor spell casting penalty with heavy armor, shields, or dual-wielding, so ranged weapons are usually better.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917399
I haven't seen a werewolf for a long time, so this is off the top of my head. There are two ways of killing one - by confronting it and fighting it, or by voting for its execution. For the former, you'll need to be strong enough to fight it. For the latter, you need to have enough fame in town to reinstate voting.

A werewolf will carry a disguise kit. Check the inventory of the townsfolk with pickpocket. There are werewolf detectives too, however, and these are friendly and harmless. They will also carry a disguise kit.

Alternatively, talk to a detective who arrives in town after a couple of deaths. I think there's an insane detective who will claim that someone is a werewolf when he really isn't, and you can fix that by using a unicorn horn. After that he will point out the real werewolf.

A third way is to look at them with the target key. A werewolf is a lot stronger than a town citizen at level 35, so it'll display a different message if you're at a somewhat low level.

I'm not sure if you can just attack a werewolf when you haven't confronted them about it yet. Try it out and put it on the wiki?

Getting the werewolf killed through direct confrontation or through execution should reward you fame and whatever the werewolf dropped. Alternatively, you could keep it alive, then keep executing the wrong people (like adventurers) so that you get their stuff.

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>>14917450
How do the executions work? Do you just use the accuse function to mark them so you can kill them with impunity? Or does the city perform the execution?

And do you always have to kill them solo, or do the guards ever help?

By the way, it's been so long I have to ask... do quest-related vital NPCs respawn and/or have immortality? Don't want to get screwed over by getting one killed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917459
>How do the executions work?
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Praise#Revival_of_the_right_to_vote

I *think* they change to a werewolf if you confront them head on...? The wiki says they will, but my werewolf just started stammering and... I don't remember the rest. If they transform, any guards in the vicinity should help. They probably won't home in on it from across the map like they do when you have low karma though.

>quest-related vital NPCs respawn and/or have immortality
Everyone respawns after a few days. Except if it's a story-related death. In those cases, however, you can find them on a map in part III of the main quest. In Gwen's case, she grows up and the old NPC is no longer accessible. Adventurers also 'retire' and disappear if they die too much.

If you're impatient, you can use a one-time use book of resurrection, or cast resurrection. Resurrection doesn't work on adventurers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917486
Hmm... so is the vote box automatically turned into an execution vote box, or do I have to talk to someone or do something to turn it into that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917503
... also, is "X the fox" also a werewolf name, or only "X the werewolf"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917508
The fox is a friendly and harmless NPC who will also carry a disguise kit. I think. The werewolf should be someone else. Probably. I don't know for sure.

Talk to the mayor, and choose to reinstate voting.

The wiki seriously needs info on werewolves, detectives, and foxes.

[Anonymous No.]

[Changes and additions]
- Changed mana battery calculation. Spells levels won't be 0, increased the amount of spell stock gained, and made it display what stock was gained or if mana was recovered.

[Fixes]
- Fixed alchemy rain not triggering a flag and causing bugged exp gain.
- Made a sub quest added in 1.55 recognize when the year changes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917521
Man this werewolf thing is seriously broke. Killed the werewolf, no fame and negative karma. Talked to the mayor, "you need more authority". But a voting box has only town NPCs, so I assume it was automatically changed to execution mode? (Or is only having NPC candidates normal?)

Also, from what I understand, there's no real reason to stop werewolves? 1 plat coin and disguise kit versus getting to loot some adventurer every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917633
How can I quickly train alchemy?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have any preferred sites for placing deed buildings? (Both on the old world map and the new one). Also, not sure if it's better to place them all adjacent, or scatter them all over to create teleport points.

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>>14917852
What do you mean old world map and new map? As in vanilla elona and elona+, or as in north/south tyris?

Most people crowd their buildings around palmia or yowyn. In both vanilla elona and e+. (Actually, I'm not sure about yowyn in vanilla elona, because herb seed rewards are a E+ thing.) Palmia because of the embassy and it's near the centre of north tyris, yowyn for the gardening quests. Lumiest can be good because of the 2 magic vendors, but you'll often encounter snow mid-way to palmia. There's also not much space to hold the 20+ farms you'll have in late-game.

It's not really worth moving to south tyris in my opinion, as you'd have to move everything like ranches and stuff, and re-invest in all the vendors. There's also no benefit to do so.

You can only teleport back to your house out of all the deeds you can buy, so nyo creating a teleport network! No bump-bump for nyou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917945
Yeah, meant north-south. And I guess Palmina it is. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14917665
Well it doesn't help that the E+ devs keep rewriting the damn feature every other update so nobody knows what's going on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915134
>>14915515
Nice, thanks for this. Let me know if there are any updates, or if more pop up on Elona uploader.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14916286
Thank you for the info.
I'm still working my way through all of the gods though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14918557
*so I don't have that gemstone.
Premature posting is a serious issue and should not be mocked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14915134
There probably won't be any more any time soon; I already combed the entire Japanese Elona sprite database for (what I considered) the best stuff, and then reformatted and repackaged it for use. But I've already done enough that the game engine is close to its stability limit, and there's already far more than can probably be used (160 PPCs, 100 profile pics), so I probably won't do any more unless the Japanese guys upload something new to the database that I find interesting.

The only other thing I have is a collection of those static, one tile sprites used for pets and NPCs, which I filtered for the largest and highest detail sprites. (Totalling about 100 images, I think the game only supports about ~15 custom pet graphics).


https://mega.nz/#!ZMAFVDha!QAaNrLZy32TD2R6_DpftRQ9luDJJa4VJ9e8WAguN7sY


You can use them for custom pet images or to replace existing NPC/monster images. (Just drop and re-name, no need to edit the character.bmp master sprite sheet).

[Anonymous No.]

>>14918609
>Unicorn is no longer a Unicorn
>Has a rider for no reason
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14918622
Fuck if I know. I only downloaded it and started playing yesterday (that's the default sprite sheet from the link in the elona pastebin, not my sprites). I'm only level 10, so haven't even seen a unicorn yet.