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The theme between each boss in Touhou 16 seems to be about the progression of life.
>Etanity Larva
>She doesn't just embody grown butterflies, but also caterpillars and chrysalids;
>She can be said to be a fairy embodying insect growth, rebirth, and metamorphosis.
> growth, rebirth, and metamorphosis.

>Nemuno Sakata
>In the Human Village, it's generally assumed that people who go missing in the mountains were dealt with somehow by a yamanba.
>But in reality, it seems that they often send lost adults back with a warning, and take custody of lost children, who they raise into upstanding human beings. The reason for this is unknown.
>raise into upstanding human beings

>Aunn Komano
>The name Aunn (あうん) is representative of a traditional characteristic of komainu statues. Komainu generally come in pairs; one will have their mouth open, and the other closed. The open mouth is said to be pronouncing Sanskrit "a", and the closed one "un" – together forming the sound Aum / Om (ॐ), which is a syllable sacred in many religions including Buddhism and Hinduism, signifying the start and end of everything.
>start and end of everything.

>> No.17114323

So will the next bosses be about something like death, afterlife, reincarnation, and englightment?
This reminds me of the Flower Incident and Yukari's short story about her involvement in it.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Seasonal_Dream_Vision/A_Beautiful_Flower_Blooming_Violet_Every_Sixty_Years
>"After the three lights come the well known 'four seasons'. These are Spring, which symbolizes birth, Summer, which symbolizes growth, Autumn, which symbolizes maturity and decline, and finally Winter, which symbolizes death. The four seasons symbolize the flow of life. Even you should know that much, Yuyuko."
You could say, Etanity represents Spring, Nemuno, Summer, Aunn, Fall and whatever else next, Winter.

>> No.17114537

>>17114323
>>17113839
Woah! What a cool fan theory!
Too bad the first three bosses are always misleading, and the final boss has never been truly predicted.
That said, stage 4 being a Winter stage is likely, if only because we've had the other three seasons clearly represented.

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>>17114537
Zun left us a hint, jerk.

>> No.17114625

>>17114323
>You could say, Etanity represents Spring, Nemuno, Summer, Aunn, Fall and whatever else next, Winter.

Eternity is in summer region, Nemuno is in the center of fall and Aun is in spring.

>> No.17114641

>>17113839
It's always fun reading these wall of text theories because they're always wrong.

The best one is Ten Desires about being the stages of Buddhism and being focused on that crap while we got basically the polar opposite with Byakuren hating Taoists.
I wish someone saved all the demo theories we got along the series.

>> No.17114653

>>17114641
there's archives if you feel motivated enough to search for it.

>> No.17114864

>>17114592
Well, someone did remind him that Letty existed.
Man, imagine if that fan question actually inspired ZUN to give Letty a final boss position? Wouldn't that be crazy?

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>>17114641
I can't wait until we get the cover art. That's when fan theories really start to get fun.

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>>17114864
that would be cool, but a new winter-related character will be introduced, ZUN rarely recycle characters outside of extra-stage/first stage and the fighting games

>> No.17114906

>>17114899
Sure. But ZUN also rarely uses stage 4 and 2 bosses as playable characters as well. He's not exactly known for being predictable, you know?

>> No.17115044

>>17114906
>stage 4 and 2 bosses
Aya was a playable character BEFORE she was a stage 4 boss. In fact she was a playable character twice before that. She's a stage 4 boss in the same way Reimu and Marisa are stage 4 bosses, considering how many times she's been a protagonist vs the amount of times she's been a boss.

>> No.17115057

>>17115044
>PoFV and Side games
wow that really counts you sure proved me wrong

>> No.17115068

>>17115057
>MoF and side games
wow that really counts, she's totally a boss character and not also a protag in SA besides PoFV, the main games immediately before and after the only time in the main games that she was ever a boss.

>> No.17115112

>>17113839
It's weird that Sanae isn't in the game. Is she on shrine maiden break? Or is she somehow involved? Will the game just be an allegory for global warming and climate change and Sanae's group uses this to push harder for clean fusion energy?

Or did Reimu killing Yukari throw Gensokyo out of whack and this is the lead up to her ressurection?

>> No.17115120

>>17115068
If you count Aya as a main protag because of PoFV, then Medicine is totally on the same level as characters like Reisen and Youmu as well.

>> No.17115328

>ZUN inserts her wife into Mamizou
>Playable in fighting games, and had extended roles in manga
How long until we get an EX boss based on ZUN's kid thats going to be always there in the official works for few years?

>> No.17115344

>>17115328
>ZUN inserts his wife into Mamizou

lewd

>> No.17115714

>>17115120
Point being? Aya was still a protag in SA and two of her own games, one of which was before she was a boss, and playable in the fighters. It's not a boss becoming playable, it's a playable becoming playable. Cirno has been in just as much.
Reisen is the odd one out, if anything, and is as valid a choice for a protag as Medicine. Medicine is arguably not even a boss and only a protagonist if you don't want to count Aya's games for them not being integers. PoFV is an integer game though, like it or not.

>>17115344
>ZUN inserts his wife into Mamizou
He didn't say that.
>ZUN inserts her wife into Mamizou
>her

>>17115328
ZUN's kid is based on Cirno. That's why she's a tomboy, so the child's gender doesn't matter. PLease be kind to Cirnosuke.

>> No.17116537

>>17115714
See, I ignored you when you said SA the first time because it's probably the most pants on head retarded thing you've said yet in this discussion.
She was a support character, she literally doesn't appear anywhere but the endings, and she's basically just a disembodied voice giving Reimu advice the entire duration of the game.

Anyway, when people say "Main Protag", in the context of a Touhou game, what they usually mean is someone who falls under the following criteria.

>Playable in a standard (which is to say, non-Phantasmagoria) style integer game, as a stand alone character (which discludes characters such as Yukari and Remilia).
Aya had never fallen into that category, nor did she fit in with the rest of the "Main Protagonist" girls (who, aside from Reimu, had all been penultimate bosses who were servants of some sort to the main antagonist.)

But then again, that's what makes Aya and Cirno being playable in this game so special, because they don't fall under the usual trend, and they're the first main protags to really break this trend since PC98. Though, of all the characters to break the mold, ZUN's daughterfu and old waifu make sense.

Oh, but please do go on about ZUN's choice of main characters in standard games don't usually follow certain trends, or how support character = main character. I enjoy laughing at dumbasses.

>> No.17116597

>>17115112
Sanae doesn't have to be involved in everything, you know?

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エタニティ→マタニティ
ネムノ→ムネノおねショタ
あうん→輪姦であうんあうん
-Anonymous

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>>17125970
Lewd

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>> No.17126293

>>17115044
I'd count Aya and Medicine as the equivalents of Stage 4 boss of PoFV. Also Komachi and Yuuka as the Stage 5 boss equivalents.

>> No.17126301

>>17113839
Someone posted this on MoTK

> So, here's a bit farfetched theory. The story of TH16 will allude to the story of Momotaro.

> In case you don't know (shame on you, you not-weeb!), Momotaro is a boy who was born from a giant peach. Then together with his companions a dog, a monkey, and a pheasant, journeyed to defeat a bunch of troublemaking oni.

> Now, at the end of the HSiFS demo, Reimu thought about her previous opponents "a fairy, a yamanba, and a komainu", as if there's something linking them. Let's look at the bosses.
> Komano represents the dog, obviously.
> Nemuno represents the monkey, because a hag looks human, and human is somewhat closely related to a monkey
> Etenity represents the pheasant, because fairies have wings and can fly. Pheasants also have wings and can fly. ...I did say this is farfetched
> So, later bosses may include an oni or a peach-girl. Or less likely, a surprise appearance by Ringo (in the story, Momotaro tamed the animals with dango).

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>>17126301
Peach-girl you say?

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>> No.17127223

>>17115328
Do you think ZUN will appreciate it seeing his a character based on his kid being used in Rule 34? Think of the children!

>> No.17133864 [DELETED] 

>>17127223
The littlest ones always suffer the most in porn.

>> No.17133900

>>17126301
I'm still holding out for Etarnity as the final boss.

>> No.17133903

>>17127223
This is probably why he'll never make a wife/child expy in Touhou. Porn of them is a guarantee.

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>hidden star
>evil power behind fairies growing stronger
This is it...!

>> No.17135179

>>17116537
No one said main protag, what was said is that Aya was playable before she was a bosses which is true and I'm not sure how you could argue against that.

>> No.17137905

>>17134054
Final boss is ChouDaiYousei in a wizard suit!

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Suppose I'll dump some art, starting with Etarnity.

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Moonraito Buttafurai

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>>17138709
I really like this It has great "sit on my face" potential.

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Now Nemuno

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For some reason Nemuno attracts yandere artists!

>> No.17139638

>>17113839
Ok but who is the more fuckable?

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Friendly reminder that large tits are a blight on humankind

>> No.17143554

>>17143545
Nemuno is a youkai not a human

>>17139638
Etarnity Onahole

>> No.17144066

>>17143554
They don't need to be attached to humans to be a blight

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Letty's finally found a place where she belongs! In a six foot hole in the ground where stage 4 used to be!

>> No.17153870

I like Larva's head things when they are drawn to look like an ahoge

>> No.17153898

I swear to god, Aunn already exists. She's in some anime somewhere.

>> No.17153904

Which newhu is the most popular?

>> No.17158496

>>17153904
At least on pixiv Etarnity > Aunn > Nemuno

>> No.17158562

>>17139712
What is she so grumpy about?

>> No.17159606

Stage 4 Boss - Alice or Letty (those hints means nothing)
Stage 5 Boss - Someone who protects the Hidden Star
Stage 6 Boss - The Hidden Star
Extra Boss - Etarnity 200% mad

>> No.17159624

>>17159606
Etarnity, at best, can be the mid-boss in the extra stage or maybe even Aunn or Tenshi. Extra stage boss is gonna be a Celestial who motivated the stage 6 boss to fuck up the seasons since boredom struck.

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