Elona

[Anonymous No.]

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>1.69 and prior versions changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Elona Custom Discussion:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014

>Chat server back online:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:19535#107

>Previous Thread
>>17330651

Current Version: Elona+ 1.69 (6/25/2017)
Latest Custom: E+C 1.69.3

[Anonymous No.]

>>17348275
>Your little girl is amazing"
As always

[Anonymous No.]

Mani was here
Lulwy a bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>17348294

[Anonymous No.]

Mistakes were made

[Anonymous No.]

>>17348326
Rod of bubble ball. Or you can force reinitialize the map if you can't salvage it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17348332
Once the fire started spreading I just stopped fighting it and began to watch out of morbid curiosity as an endless army of little sisters threw themselves into the grinder until they smothered the baptist in their bloody burnt corpses.

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>>17348275
This game is keeping track of prostitution numbers?
How do I check?

[Anonymous No.]

I've seen damage comparisons for stuff like two hand vs martial arts, but how do other options compare like magic, dual wield (mutant), and ranged weapons? Just curious because even if I may never get to the point where it matters I tend to obsess over stuff like this. Reposting since last thread is likely dead.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, i done my tour of Lost Irva.
Got all the divine goodies, except the one of jure because you need to do the cradle of chaos and i don't want to trigger the story just yet.

It have gone as expect, overbuff myself, make the godling hostile, and keep out of sight while crying while the monsters duke it out.
Of note is the opatos' godling managed to actually kill the monster. I rezzed and it immediatly slaughtered the goldling of course, but A for effort.
I did got scared when the black cat godling shadow stepped me and missed when gone hostile. Never teleported out as fast. Maybe could have survived the hit, but fuck if i don't want to check it.


Now, on to make me weak as a kitten.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346593
>>17346600
So this is the "borrowed" sprite I've been working on. The only part I really need to mess with here is the border, I think.
First one is no border, second one is black border, third one is a slightly lighter border, fourth one is red borders for the fire while also chopping the border out from between the ears.
Any suggestions? Also Issun came off in the 3rd and 4th ones.

This is for an NPC, no way I'm trying my hand at a PCC yet.

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>>17348356
Game Setting -> Game Setting -> Record to "Show Max"
It should then show up in your journal.

[Anonymous No.]

Already got every present from Jure, Opatos and Kumiromi. Who should I worship next, Ehketal or Lulwy?

>>17348828
Either far left or far right. Far right would be best with a slightly thinner outline.

[Anonymous No.]

Do pets keep E+Custom-taught spells/abilities through soul spindle? Still working on Operation Shell Japan (name tentative)

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>>17348866
The problem is finding a middle ground between "no outline" and "sorta outline." I can't really make it thinner since it's already 1 px.

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>>17348941
Then make then half a pixel wide.
Or you can try making the border even lighter. Another option would be giving the red outlines from #4 to #1 only, see how that looks.

>>17348866
Went with Yacatect, free coins sounds sweet.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, it is finally done. The lowest possible INI possible.
Two important note : one, you only need 12 doomed hermes potions. The 13th is wasted as you apparently can't go below 2 speed.
Two, don't forget to bring potions of potential, after reducing your stats your potential is at 0%, and it seems rotten food gives no negative exp due to that. For pet, it means going to Melugas and letting them train to bring the stats back up ( i thought it was due to blessed potions of restore, nope, it was due to 0% potential )

And now, the funnest fun part : climbing back up ! Hahahahaha i have the dumbbell and a training machine and 500 blassed potions of potential hahahahaha !

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>>17349052
>And now, the funnest fun part : climbing back up ! Hahahahaha i have the dumbbell and a training machine and 500 blassed potions of potential hahahahaha !
I can't believe I dont have a little girl training montage video on hand

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>>17349192
Is this good enough?

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>>17348956
Red outlines only on #1 worked well. I just burned the head and paw outline slightly and I think it's good to go.

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>>17348828
>>17349397
cute

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>>17348766
>>17348840

So, reposting the question: how bleeding works, is it a viable damage sourse vs lv300+ monsters, is drain blood and ivy whip a viable tools for stacking bleeding?

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>>17348275
>Nia

Eh? Dare?

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>>17349783
One of our brave brothers playing on loss mode sadly passed away, but he is trying again for the 8th (?) time

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>>17331708
>A cursed rod of speed can be used to alter a characters age.
Not anymore it seems, I could only lower it with blessed POTIONS of slow, or this rod was bugged as fuck but I doubt that.

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>>17349052
How do I reset the life and mana? doomed cheese/fruit?
I can't find the relevant data in the wiki.

Would a large picnic work for the pets instead?

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>>17349892
You can't reset life and mana, it always use the base for your race. This also means you don't have to not eat the cheese/fruit.
I started the game as a quickling, so 3 life 40 mana as a base.
Why quickling, because for the INI calculation, if you are below50 life and 50 mana, it used as a default 50 for life and mana, and only quickling and bomb race have both life and mana below 50.

The biflag found on pet are much more useful that life/mana though, metal alone trumps whatever is found on quicklings/bombs... That is, unless you count the grass killer/dancer and their reselem bit :^)


I love games that give me the opportunity to be weak for a large payoff later so much.
Magikarp, onion knight, science-focus in civ, the monk class in the 3ed cRPGs, etc.

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>>17348866
Objective god tier list: Yacatect early, then it literally does not matter.
Objective.

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>>17349915
I see... I was scouring the wiki like mad, considering how wildly different it was from me, no wonder.
My life/mana is huge comparatively as an Elea...
I'm going to astral copy your quickling and do terrible scribbling on her face while she sleeps.
That'll teach her.

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>>17349052
>>17349192
>>17349373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NubH5BDOaD8

[Anonymous No.]

Recruit endlessly op Karatas and pray that Ano wont nerf him in the future, or get some adorable gokichas a bit later with their guaranteed resEle and give them some -phys damage equipment instead?

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>>17349991
Whatever you like, follow your dreams

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>>17349991
Whichever seems more fun to you. Even if he's nerfed he'll still prolly be as strong or stronger than the average pet, which is still absurdly broken with pretty much effectively infinite every resource, faster charge bar filling than the player, set cast rate regardless of equips, faster scaling and the ability to use money rather than plat to gain potentials.
You really can't go wrong with pets right now.

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>>17349991
You could get an harpy.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_Evolution#Harpy
They get a cute sprite and super regene.

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>>17349052
What do undead corpses do?
And would you write a short guide how to do this? I sure love reading guides for Elona.

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>>17350040
My negro, harpies a best

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>>17350040
I want to spam meteors later, if my loss char will ever live long enough.
And i hate tossing my lovely pets for the sake of min-maxing later.
>>17350044
they wreck your attribs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17350048
Ah another loss brother, let's do our best to not die

[Anonymous No.]

>>17350044
Basically NPC called Maile the marionette shaman
have a service of halving your attribs down to a minimum 50 AND recalculate your ini after that. After you get to 50 via Maile's service, simply eat/drink bad, bad stuff to get the minimal attribs possible and make her re-calculate your INIs again. Works with pets as well.

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>>17350073
>to a minimum 50
20, the lowest is 20 per attribute, then you need to eat undead meat.

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>>17350107
Right. My bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17349915
Found back in warosu.
He seems to have managed a LIFE reduction, I wonder how.

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>>17350183
Dr. Gevala's service, adding limbs substracts some life.

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>>17350190
So one should reduce life to 1 with this then recalculate again?

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>>17350281
Ｎｏ，　ｔｈｅ　ｆｏｒｍｕｌａ　ｔａｋｅ　ｔｈｅ　ｂａｓｅ　ｌｉｆｅ／ｍａｎａ　ｏｆ　ｙｏｕｒ　ｒａｃｅ．
So for example you gave 10 hero cheese to your harpy and she have gone from 90life/100mana to 120life/100mana, when reseting her her life would only contribute 90 life not 120.
Same thing for negative life.

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So this means with the new ini reset thing Golems are actually below average if you put in the effort for scaling? Also fuck these captcha's the ''click all the X'' ones are taking 5 years to switch pics

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>>17350281
Supposedly. Gevala and Mad scientist are the only ways to reduce life that I can think of.
>>17350302
His life is (2), and as far as i know, () precisely shows base life value of the race.

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>>17350281
Okayyyy, so I rushed gavela as a test in wizard mode, then back to icolle in a loop.
You can actually get a super low life.
Time to reload and actually do it.
>>17350190
Couldn't reduce under 2.
>>17350302
Gonna test oblivion before reloading, would be annoying if it wasn't counted.
...
Doesn't seems like it worked.

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>>17350343
Elea got a base 90life/110mana
90life=180statINI 110mana=55statINI
180+55=235statINI
20stats*8=160statINI
160+235=395, exactly what you got.

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>>17350343
20*8+2*2+113*0.5 doesn't add up.
>>17350357
Yep, this confirms that it is the base race only that count.
Science is fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Can you teach pets Run Wildly with E+C?

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>>17348941
You can use more than one color for borderline to make it look thinner.
>inb4 this is worse

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>>17348275
Can see OP image thumbnail. Clicking it says image no longer exists.
No one else seems to be having this problem and it had me confused.

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>>17350473
I can expand and open it in another tab just fine. Didn't delete it either. What extension are you using to browse? I use appchanX.

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Trying to get into this for the first time, it's quite overwhelming I must say.

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>>17349801
It causes people to age, I thought.

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>>17350491
That's a good word for it.
One could easily write a goddamn book on Elona and its mechanics.

[Anonymous No.]

So if you can't buy seeds reliably or wish rods at all anymore, what's the point of gold? Just for pets?

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>>17350581
You've never been able to buy rods of wishing.

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>>17350590
https://www.reddit.com/r/Elona/comments/3q2bmp/brainstorming_on_gain_attribute_wish_sox_and_pet/

false flag?

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>>17350581
Scrolls of growth, material kits, treasure maps, evolution hearts, investing, enchanting equipment, black market gear...

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>>17350605
I didn't realize any of that was important, aside from kits. Well alright!

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>>17350605
>evolution hearts
Not with the drastic raise of rare drops.
Are market gear really worth the invest?

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>>17348275
considering how long this game has been a thing I'm surprised there aren't any lewd mods for it yet.

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>>17350640
Yeah you're right, but you can get one early if you don't want to wait. About the black market gear, I check my black market vendors on every refresh and have gotten quite a number of elemental/defender weapons, gear with good attributes/resists and even some godly pieces. While not essential I'd say it's worth investing into.

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>>17350581
Nice things from souvenir vendors:
Growth scrolls, material kits, treasure maps, to name a few.
Especially growth scrolls, they're 3.5M each.

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>>17350604
leddit is garbage. The lines where the guy thinks he bought them were crossed out because he was wrong. It's true that you can get wish rods from magical seed farms however, I got a stack of them that way. Chance of getting one is low but with enough seeds you'll get em

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>>17350650
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elm (never tried that shit)
You can say that Elona had porn mods when it was a thing for real, all of them are dropped by now, i guess.

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>>17350450
The ultimate problem, I think, was that it already had a bit of a border to begin with, so my adding one there just ended up being overkill.

[Anonymous No.]

What a way to go.

(playing on permanent death mode)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17350794
Yeah that's how I lost one of my guys too. Just don't read any books until later on. You can train literacy with scrolls.

Post character sheet

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>>17350794
Never spam read, kids.
That's how you end up dead or with new family members.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17350673
I meant the comment below where the guy said he was getting 2-3 rods of wish an hour. I guess that's bunk then. Yes I know, 1.50 Elona.

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>>17350801
Already deleted my file

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>>17350483
That's the weird thing even opening in a new tab gives me a broken image.

I'm just using 4chans mobile site. All the other images in the thread load fine too which makes it even weirder.

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>>17350813
No screencaps before you died? Gimme your portrait then

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>>17350662
Ah I gotcha. Gold is useless until you can reliably make 20m/day, and gold doesn't beget more gold because you can't buy items and sell them back anymore, cargo aside. This game might just be way over my head.

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>>17350821
>Gold is useless until you can reliably make 20m/day
Least intelligent comment posted so far.

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>>17350821
Nonsense, gold allows you to buy more deeds and a huge variety of items, and you can spend to grow faster and thus gain money faster using your skills.

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>>17350833
"In Elona+ they got a nice boost: 20-25 blessed scrolls of growth => all skills 400%. Needs confirmation but it seems to boost potential for a relatively high number of skills by a relatively small amount (about 100 times for 5%). "

20*3.5m = 70m, usually, and 2-3 days seems about right to drop all your skill potentials back down to zero. It's not like I'd see a big increase on my gains by buying a scroll every week making 500k/day. It just appears to me that if you aren't making a massive amount of gold then there's no point doing anything with it aside from stockpiling flying scrolls and potential potions, from what I am reading here.

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>>17350847
Obviously I do not understand this game very well. Oh well!

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>>17350863
Nah your pretty much right that if you don't use pets there really isn't much worth buying once you have your farms and the like setup. I just invest into shops that are already consistently giving me what I want and buy scrolls of growth which don't really feel like they help much because anything else (scrolls of potential and the like) cost such an incredibly small amount they may as well be free.

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Is there no MonsterGirl spritesheet for 1.69?

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>>17350854
Even buying every potential and flying scroll I see, and at income similar to yours, I can buy a growth scroll every few days or so.
I'm not using them yet. They're for when platinum costs get high. I don't see why I wouldn't want to stockpile them now.

Also, you pretty much can't buy that many per day. There's a whopping two vendors and they'll stock usually one on a good day.

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>>17350854
-Upgrade house
-Get (multiple) deeds of every type (+discarded ranch later)
-Get the million for the maid mansion
-Souvenir vendor goodies
-Furniture
-Enchant every piece of gear of you and your pets to +10 (couple hundred K per piece?)
-Buy exceptional gear from wandering vendors/black market (can be cheap or cost up to millions)
-Give your pets money with evochat so they can spend it to train(up to 500k/chat)
-Invest in every vendor
-Buy flying scrolls, potential pots, healing pots, repair kits, books, items for crafting recipes all on a regular basis

Biggest moneysinks are probably investing and pets. Maybe they will add more stuff for rich players.

>>17350898
Did they remove getting multiple of the same vendor by renaming them?

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>>17350906
I could fill my house with magic vendors and it wouldn't make a difference.
At ~750k/day I can loot them all.

If you're talking about souvenir vendors, you can't hire those.

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>>17350906
Okay, I see, I'm not prioritizing things correctly. You get limited (>>17350898) as to how many of these sheets of paper you can buy, and a lot of things I don't think are important are actually probably important (buying treasure maps). I think I am slowly getting it. Still don't see why I should invest in every vendor ever but I will do it and see why people do it.

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>>17350913
I'd say buying treasure maps is a luxury.
If you can't easily afford them, it's not worth worrying about.

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>>17350919
So stockpile anything that could ever be useful ever and fill a strip mine of storage units when I run out of 4d pocket slots, and eventually I'll thank myself when it costs 15p to increase Riding and I've never even ridden anything before. This I can do.

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>>17350910
Could return to maid mansion and drop by Arcbelc for a third souvenir vendor.

>>17350913
You don't have to, but it will train your investing skill (large amount of exp+cha) and allow you to buy more stuff. If you travel around a lot it helps too.

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>>17350932
Fortunately for you all this stuff stacks with itself, so it'll be a long time before you run out of room in, say, a dungeon.

>>17350937
Arcblec is the second vendor I was thinking of.
Is there another one besides in Larna?

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>>17350932
Also platinum costs are proportional to that skill's level.
Training my investing costs like 10p per training at ~150 skill (not that I would since it's effectively capped). Now imagine the cost for a level 1500 skill.

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>>17350942
Ol-dran, though that might be out of the way.

[Anonymous No.]

Made an elonaup.x0.com userscript that automatically opens a Save as dialog and closes the tab in the bg after it's done. Thought I'd share.

https://pastebin.com/Uqjkwe60

[Anonymous No.]

>>17350951
That's on Lost Irva, right? I'm not there quite yet I can't let myself progress without Light Penning Anubis.

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>>17350949
> Now imagine the cost for a level 1500 skill.

Still 10.

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>>17350987
Oh, it caps at 10? That's a relief.
Still, once everything starts costing that much growth scrolls start being a much better way of spending your time instead of in a million jobs.

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Apparently at high investment Moyer starts selling craft repair kits. What else can he sell besides speed/aurora rings?

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>>17350949
It caps at 10.

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>>17350988
just use them when you have too many skills low, save plat for manuals

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>>17350988
Since you don't actually train most things at the same time and you get more plat in higher fame quests and dungeon crawling its still pretty easy to keep potential high even at 10. I personally can afford to spam scrolls of growth but don't because its more of a hassle to go to the souvenier vendor and buy them, bless them and use them than to keep playing the game the same way I did to get this far.

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>>17351013
Manuals?

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>>17351013
>save plat for manuals
How do you use them? Keep them as close to 400% as possible when reading?

[Anonymous No.]

http://imgur.com/a/qUJOQ
Mongirl updated (with vanilla sprites) for 1.69.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, hard question: How do I into interior decoration? Show me some examples of your very pretty homes and storage units.

[Anonymous No.]

Is the gunner class okay? I'm making a second character after doing a plain jane boring warrior for a bit.

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>>17351106
Everything works except probably sword & board.
Even that probably works if you just want to be the tanky party leader.

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>>17351119
Sword & board works too and is somewhat competitive, unless you're at the point where dual wielding or two-handing would get you one action kills.
From my testing compared to two-hand, you get modestly better performance against things that depend on physical damage, noticeably worse performance against things that use elemental attacks, and are screwed against things that use piercing weapons.

It's also a giant survivability boost in early game.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm lacking inspiration for my museum.
Would only having unique statue be enough to reach rank?
I think organizing by town would be the best, but someone might have a more original idea.

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>>17351149
That's the problem though. You're effectively trading out your ability to do appreciable amounts of damage for improved resistance against a single damage type sometimes.

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>>17351154
I just dump whatever shit in there, really, my only rule was that wing snail gets to be out front and Raphael gets to be in the back in a far-off corner.

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>>17351154
I usually make a separated sections for unique and common NPCs. This is for easier sorting, because lesser commoners stop giving ANY contribution to your rank if it is high enough already. Nobogy going to care about chicken statue in midst of gigant, god and dragon statues.

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>>17351576
Remember that unique NPC cards count as well.

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>>17351035
>>17351036
Art of () books, you get expierence for skill by reading them. If i recall correctly, they consume potential on leveling just like any other xp source.
Read them in bad weather outdoors. Anons here mentioned that snow counts as bad weather, feel free to exploit.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Books

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>>17351149
Board is great if you rely on non-weapon damage source. New gardening skills work really well with sword&shield char - you need some tankyness to get most mobs in your sight. Sometimes nullifies damage enhancements are great as well, personally i'd just go good shield+tonfa+violent garden for early/midgame. Or you can go with MA grenade attack skill. For lategame its easier to simply rely on your pets for dps nowadays, especially for loss mode.

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>>17351154
After you kill all the gods, dont forget to put Mani and Lulwy next to eachother in some cozy environment.

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>>17351874
>Board is great if you rely on non-weapon damage source
Also non-magic, unless it's a Tonfa.

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>>17351874
See it's this kind of thinking that I wish wasn't so predominate that it was taken as gospel. Pets get 8x stat gains and get potential from raw gold, so any pet at all is much better than the player, especially with E+Custom AI scripts. But why should that mean that you can ignore differences in playstyle for the PC, or that you shouldn't bother ever getting out of midgame damage? The question isn't "Can i do sword and board in north tyris and give up later," I'm pretty sure the question is, "Will this ever even come close to any other playstyle, including using Atomic Launcher as your main dps?" And the answer appears to be, as far as we've seen so far, is somewhere between "I'm not sure" and "No". Is shield bash good enough lategame? Dunno, I don't think anyone's gone to Kai levels of sword and board. But Violent Garden is not Sword and Board, and it also does not scale to lategame, unfortunately, because it is admittedly super fun early. The meat of the question as I'm seeing it here (and correct me if I'm wrong) is, "Can I sword and board forever without feeling like I'm losing out to any other type of playstyle?"

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>>17350450
>cat thing.

You disgust me, how do you not recognize the sun goddess Amaterasu.

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>>17351919
Are you that guy that spent 5 hours arguing with people

[Anonymous No.]

>>17351966
*ring*

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>>17351966
It probably sounds mad if you don't read the whole thing. I just mean early game isn't an indicator of lategame. I want to see someone who took this style really far into the game talk about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352052
Hahahaaha I knew it was him never post at me or my little girl again

[Anonymous No.]

>Lucky Day
>Go to table
>151 casino chips

Help

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352095
Bet 10 faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17351919
Sword n board is a SUPPORT TANK at it's core, you have to rely on something else to kill lategame enemies, but it compliments some other playstyles well enough - throwing, pet/zombie master, alchemist(complimented by throwing, again).

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>>17352095
>Help
with hauling?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352108
Would only shields or shield/staff and shoot slot rocks work then? Sounds fun, just haven't seen it done. (Staff because ThrowingRock mod comes on staves)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352119
You gave me an idea for an Inferno character.

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>>17352119
I thought about staff and sone or shuri, but not sure if bleeding works for endgame. And aqua sanctio/launchers vs bosses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17351013
>save plat for manuals
Why though? I keep finding 2-4 plat in Derphy's south east corner basically everyday/every visit since level 1.
Hell every time there's an unseen hand or werewolf assassination you can just find the kill spot and there's almost always a plat coin there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352115
JUST HELP ME

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352139
There's a guy at the South Tyris border that hands out 3 plat every day.
Too bad he's not translated so I can't tell what the fuck his deal is.

[Anonymous No.]

This will make it possible to have separate sprite for your shop keepers and to change their portrait.
https://mega.nz/#!G48yWSKZ!vPO4fuxXfZcgvYhQsvlZhIbCxwwtyjyJDdBH8Lez8vk

I do not know how to mimic the cnpc sprite though.
Any tip is welcome.

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>>17352127
i hate onscreen kayboards, with passion.

Anyway i'm slowly looking for pcc with bat/glove for staff+stone & shield style, for my next loss chara. 70% pierce and a bunch of skills that use throwing promise plenty of fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352156
>i hate onscreen kayboards, with passion.
What does that have to do with throwing stuff?

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>>17352127
The more I see Throwing-based build ideas the more fun it looks. You do get extra damage on crit from heavy stones/shurikens right? I think that must be the case, last thread (thread before?) someone (BloodyShade?) posted crit code, said ranged weapon weight doesnt matter, just ammo. But rocks are their own ammo... lost the link, but maybe this can be an exceptionally nice build. Shuriken for bleed damage, follow up with aqua sanctio for real damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352144
I think the idea is that he's happy you're doing work around the towns (he only gives it out if you've completed a job).

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>>17352167
Rocks go in the range slot, but they act like melee weapons that you put there which is that you throw them and not whatever is in the ammo slot.
So it should run off the rock's weight anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352174
Ah, makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

Trying to copy the permadeath Fairy style to take a break from hopping between two identical characters on Essential and Overdose, turns out the bug with blessed scroll of gain material wasn't the only thing, and was just first to surface among many fuckups my game apparently has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352177
Excellent. Heavy shurikens is such a bad idea for a weapon that it's probably a great anime premise. Little girl throwing windmills at people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352177
Real question is: do you get bonus damage from strength multiplier on throwing.

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>>17352189
I really have no idea how damage calculation for throwing works. I don't think Marksman affects it.
One thing to note is that all thrown weapons are 1dX, which means that they have pretty variable damage but benefit greatly from crits (which always roll max damage.)

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>>17348766
I'm probably dealing with creatures in the void with max resists since I haven't seen it change for like 1000 floors. Baseline is superb in everything except magic which is normal. Depending on the enemy they may have traits that make them a bit stronger towards certain elements or weaker but usually most enemies hover around the baseline.

Currently my meteor is slightly above lv 1000 and does around 900k with divine wisdom and magic equip running. Against enemies that are pretty resistant to fire it's about 500k and against enemies that are particularly weak to fire around 6 million. If I were to get meteor to lv 2000 I predict the damage to be around 1.4 to 1.7 million damage against enemies that have the baseline resists above.

Meteor is the strongest damaging spell casters have and while it does less than what melee can do, melee could do around 2-3 million, the fact that meteor hits everyone on screen imo makes up for it. Against bosses melee will take it down quicker than magic but magic certainly is good against large crowds.

Can't speak about dual wield mutants as I don't have much knowledge about mutants. Range I can talk a bit about though. Range depends on its special ammo to do good damage. If one doesn't take advantage of special ammo then the damage is going to be lacking compared to other types. Max amount of attacks range can get each turn after stacking increase range attack is 2. Definitely nothing to write home about but if it's combined with special ammo like rapid your attacks per turn get bumped up to 5. Fortunately rapid ammo is plentiful and one of the more easier special ammo to find on ammo. One of the rarest special ammo with low stock to find is burst. That can allow a range user to do around 35 attacks per turn. Other special ammo like pierce, time stop, and explosive can help in certain situations.

While the damage without special ammo is nothing to write home about, the damage with it can be pretty good as long as special ammo stock holds out. To help crit damage out increasing bullet weight through cursed flying scrolls sounds like a good idea. Unfortunately I don't have any real hard numbers to offer up as I'm not a dedicated range user but with what little skill I have in that department the above is what I've observed and predict.

>>17349726
Each hit you have a chance of applying bleed and stacking it if the enemy is already bleeding. Highest bleed tick I got was around 10k on lv 2000ish void enemies. I welcome all additional damage sources but if I had to choose between other options and give up stuff, bleed isn't very good compared to other options. When element damage and invokes are hitting for 100k+ I'd rather have them than bleed.

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>>17352183
My first 4 fairies died to yerles machinegunners in puppy cave, beware.Oh, and 2 others to traps.

Current farmer one just oneshots whole rooms before they get a chance to act, though.

>>17352199
I know that you use tactics for throwing, just dunno about strength. Probably gotta check with elosnack later.

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>>17352146
These are my shopkeepers.
Edited through the .snack provided in this post.
Please, use and abuse it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352207
Can you stack bleed inifinetly? I kept wandering about possibility of making a bunch of young ladies passionately bleed enemies to death with drain blood and shuris.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352250
I'm not sure. I remember bleed got nerfed in some fashion because people were cheesing Siva with the shield that applies bleed to the enemy on hit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352256
Only bleed on hit from shields got nerfed, Ano placed a cap on this type. Other sources shouldnt be affected at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352256
Oh, wanted to ask - do you get anyhing from potions of descent after hitting levelcap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352207
*imagines 10 pets with burst ammo firing a volley*
*nosebleed intensifies*

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352225
Interesting home you got there. Can you post your .pum?

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>>17352225
>>17352309
Time to "borrow" some house ideas.

[Anonymous No.]

With all this talk about throwing it reminded me of 2 questions I had.
1. Is there anyway to maximize the use of grenades late game? I love walking into a room full of enemies and just throwing grenades wildly but I know sound resist will trivialize them in maybe act 2 and definitely 3. If there is no way how do the crystal bombs you can craft stack up?

2. How do I make my golem stop throwing his drake rod? I have him a custom script that is literally just move forward if distance > 1, punch if =1. But for some reason he will start throwing the drake rod while in the enemies face every other dungeon and I'll have to reinitialize his ai.

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>>17352373
Did you actually enable the AI?

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>>17352250
From what I've observed between with an enemy down in the void and one that I sandbagged there is a limit to how many stacks of bleeding you can apply to an enemy. Like the enemy that ticked for 10k I couldn't get a bleed tick higher than that and as the bleed stacks disappeared the damage came down. I sandbagged an enemy down here and again found there was a max amount a bleed tick could get up to. Like I sandbagged another enemy and couldn't get past 10k bleed ticks despite hitting him like a hundred times. Not all enemies I can make bleed for 10k either. Like some I could only make 4k bleed ticks.

>>17352278
I don't know what the level cap is if there is one. Currently level 6,667 and I'm still getting exp. Definitely not a lot of exp for stuff but some nevertheless. I've already capped my MP so that's not raising on lv up but my HP is. Even if my HP were to cap I'd still enjoy the bonus points from level ups. Have a bunch of skills I can still level up through bonus points and in turn level up attributes through them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352373
Make your mount spam nightmare?

And if AI is enabled, its a bug, report @ wiki blog

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352400
I've read on wiki that lv cap is around your current level, 6666 or 6667

And 10k seems pretty pathetic. Probably only useful vs belll-alikes.

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>>17352373
You can temporary decrease sound resist with nightmare spell, but this is hardly suitable for crowds...

Crystal bombs stack, if they are of same powerlevel.

If your golem "throws" a weapon, then you definitely put it into "range"d slot. Take it off and put it in "hand" slot instead.

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>>17352309
>>17352322
When it's done.
I only changed 25% of the palace.
And it's a fucking messsssss.

[Anonymous No.]

So I decided to start as dwarven farmer and took a bear as first pet.
Got any tips besides grinding harvest jobs?

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>>17352395
Yes I checked. He stops throwing for a while after I reinitialize and set the ai but then he starts randomly.

>>17352403
Alright. I'll report it.

>>17352418
I put it in range for the extra attack chance since the golem uses ma.
Guess I'll make more crystal bombs when grenades stop working.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to get specific monsters to spawn? I want to find a dark elea but so far no luck dungeon diving on the corresponding level dungeon.

And what's the cap on extra ranged/melee attacks attribute? I seem to recall reading it was 2000 but I'm not sure.

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>>17350309
I wouldn't worry too much about INI resetting as long as your INI score is reasonable. Reasonable for me anyways is an INI score the default races start with. So the Golem should be fine if you're referring to the player race Golem. Don't know what INI score pet golems can have but as long as it's around the default race INI scores it will be fine. If not you certainly can lower its INI score through the NPC people are talking about. You can min max this if you want but it's not required. Just get it low enough.

There is a cap to the amount of AP you can earn and both my character and my pet Saya have reached it. It's a bit higher than what the wiki reports but both me and my first pet reached it hundreds of hours ago. Haven't tampered with the INI of my character or pets and I didn't really have a problem earning AP for them since their INI scores are reasonable.

From what I can tell the people that min/max their INI scores will probably be able to hit AP cap sooner at least. I will say though that once one is done buying up speed and maybe special actions that one should not count on AP to bonus points alone to cap their skills. For the player there is not nearly enough bonus points from AP to cap a single skill. For a pet though you might be able to cap about 1 through AP to bonus points alone but you must put all your points in that skill. Regardless of INI min/maxing you'll still be doing a fair share of grinding. That's a fate you cannot escape in this game.

>>17349937
Well depending on your playstyle Yacatect might be best for some. I went with Itzpalt first myself. Rods are pretty easy to find in any dungeon and by offering them up I was able to boost my fire,ice, and lightning resist. The god reward staff which I put in my shoot slot since I was a martial artist also helped my resists.

Didn't exactly have to spend a lot of time finding good enough element resist gear due to Itzpalt. Due to this I was able rush the tower of fire and the rest of the story related places. Got the static artifacts from the bosses of those places along with the Palmia Pride. Only really had to focus on getting the resists to deal with Zeome.

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>>17352550
>I put it in range for the extra attack chance since the golem uses ma.
Pets also tend to use throwing/ranged attacks against things that hurt to touch (such as slimes, hedgehogs, iron maidens, etc.). Did he start throwing at all monsters or only at specific ones?

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>>17352778
Huh. I didn't know about that.
That could have possibly been it. It still seems a bit strange that would override the custom ai, though I suppose that could be to avoid pets killing themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352777
Did you tamper with your karatas ini?

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>>17352913
Kai mentioned he didn't because when the feature was first added it looked like it did weird things to bit flags.
He even talked about the ludicrous amounts of money and time he spent paying trainers for potential and void diving for ap.

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>>17352913
Akeno is my pet that I used Karata as a base and no I didn't tamper with the INI score. Karata is a good candidate for lowering its INI score through Maile and I would recommend it but it wasn't something I was willing to do at the time in my case. When the INI resetting feature was introduced Akeno had capped attributes already and fairly high skill levels in regards to her focus. Since INI resetting cuts things in half I wasn't willing to go through with that and do the extra work to bring her back up to cap. I was also already killing things deep enough in the void to give her AP so there wasn't enough incentive for me to do it.

Resetting a pet's INI score ideally should only be done when you first get a pet and before you do any work on them. So in the case of Karata I would definitely take it to see Maile as soon as I got him since his INI score is pretty high. By lowering Karata's INI score you'll have an easier time getting AP for it as you won't have to kill as hard of enemies to start gathering INI for it.

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>>17352982
>start gathering INI for it.
*AP

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>>17352511
Do not listen to Lomias ever. Work on your gardening skill and cooking skill. You should already have it since you're a farmer. Harvest and cook would you get. Sell what you cook for lots of gold and use gold to invest in vendors and buy property at the embassy.

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>>17348275
Updated pastebins. I have to ask: if someone says something and you think it should be in the guide (probably as miscellaneous tips), please quote it to the OP.

>>17351085
Sorry, but can you reupload that somewhere else? Imgur converted it to jpg.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352207
Mainly considering working on spell casting since it seems like the main thing pets can't do as well (I think)

Will melee pets end up pretty much equal to a PC in terms of pure damage wielding two handed weapons?

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>>17352511
Take magical plants feat.
Get a couple of mage slaves to handle bats and crabs in farming jobs
Focus platinum usage exclusively on gardening, then cooking once you hit 25-30 gardening.
Cook only on good kitchen if possile! you wont level cooking without this.
Rush building farms lnce you hit lv20-30 in gardening. Sow all seeds aside from maybe magical, artifacts. Use herb seeds after hitting some lv50 gardening.
Cook right after harvesting your veggies and fruits, at least cook lecho, lol.
I'd recommend investing a bit in charisma for 4 pets - bear, 2 mages, any trader. Eng. rings give 10 CHA alone.
Literally, ANY trader will do for shop. Convert it to food shop and get phat bux for your harvest. Food is great for leveling your trader.
Personally i surround palmia with farms, 2-3 farms then shop next to it. Yowyn is great for quests but i leave for palmia as soon as i beat all harvest quests here - it got no kitchen.
Hunt for inferior material scrolls to haul your paper kitchen with you. Or else, equip your farms with local kitchen.
'you didnt take little girl slave?! time for lynching!

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>>17353457
Keeping weight lifting and negotiation above 100 potential will help quite a bit early.
You can do hunting quests after getting beggar pendant from crabs on harvest tiime quests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17353440
You're correct. Pet spell damage formula is inferior compared to the player so the player would make a better caster. Melee damage for a pet will be the same as a player if skill levels and attributes are equal.

[Anonymous No.]

Killing a bard has no karma penalty.
Resurrecting the bard gives 2 karma.

Like the game needed to give me another reason to torment bards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17353572
On top of that, it seems that this bard has a case of Stockholm syndrome.

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>>17352793
Update. Turns out that when fighting hedgehogs, slimes, and other enemies that deal damage when melee'd even if you have a melee custom ai script the pet will throw any items equipped in the ranged slot to avoid hurting itself.

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>>17353572
Also bards seem to think that all this abuse is because their music skill is not good enough. Ressurected npc (not pets) bards (at least ones that revive naturally, don't know about forced ressurects) gain +1 to their performing skill.

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>>17353686
Forced resurrects do not get the +1.

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>>17348275
Probably a good idea to include information on INI and maybe reset services/art of () books reading in bad weather.

Personally it took me a while to understand why 1 pet spent 2k gold for training while another spent 10, nevermind the ap part

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354145

Spaghetti Monster ini 2464/250

Yadonashi ini 215/61

Metal Slug ini 271/25

[Anonymous No.]

>>17353132
>>17353457
>'you didnt take little girl slave?! time for lynching!
Wanted to try something different. Bear turned out to be female, btw.
>>17353481
>after getting beggar pendant from crabs
You mean Unknown Shell, right?

Thanks a lot guys!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354226
>Bear turned out to be female

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>>17354226
>Wanted to try something different. Bear turned out to be female, btw.

You're kumatan's daddy?
I'm glad I could finally meet you!
You're daughter is very cute, she really take from her mother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354226
Oh right, wrote it while falling asleep.


So, is there any info on ALP'ed gods/inner gods and which unique skills do they keep(if they keep any).

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>>17354225
Did you encounter any instances of salt attack from cleaners on your pet slug?

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>>17354240
Yeah, if there was a decent sprite for her...

Other question: people recommended getting a shop, but this is pretty expensive... I'm supposed to make money via harvest jobs?

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>>17354240
Thank goodness Elna's world isn't THAT silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354323
After selling a couple of harvests from 2 farms you'll get enough money. Probably.
My current fairy farmer got roughly half of the gold for shop from fascinating dances in partytimes, but her CHA is high enough for that. But i didnt sell half of pricey food and none of the gems(and i've got roughly 20-25 ore pieces from harvests, those seeds are rather common.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354323
Also, I recommended getting shop after 2 farms is because your gardening and cooking should be quite high by the time you get second harvest from second farm, i've had around 60 gardening and around 15 cooking by that time. With occasional unknown seeds you can get hundreds of gold per harvest if you sell it via shop after cooking. And you need to start increasing shop fame as early as possible to support growing harvest values in following months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354274

nothing yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354240
All this monster girl bs but where are my monster men versions of every animal ever whos lives invariably revolve around sex?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354393
Ask furfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354393
We're playing elona, not corruption of champion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354463
? CoC is almost entirely female monster girls too. Or chicks with horse dicks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354481
>chicks
>dicks
Purge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354481
No female emit semen, not even hyenas with thier horse sized clits..

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354507
They do in CoC. You can even have a talking demon penis

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>>17354490
Here is how it goes in Elona:
You wouldn't mind a dude, but you pick a female PC because girls are cute. Then you pick a pet to marry. A lad would make it an ordinary husband/wife combo, but girls are cute so again you pick one. But now in order for the couple to be able to JAM IT IN and NAKADASHI while still maintaining cute girl levels, you have to give one of them a dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354567
PURGE

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345735

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354567
>But now in order for the couple
>http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Forbidden_meat
Don't try to explain your filthy fetishes in this pure thread, just go make a surgery if you have a burning desire for a generic transvestite - girl body with a working dick.

>>17354655
Godlike level of scut!

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>>17354681
A transsexual doesn't have a girl body though, he has an altered man's body. A transvestite is just some dude wearing girl's clothing. Both are not the same as the fantasy of magically having yuri combined with normal sex. It doesn't translate to real life much like how loli doesn't. If you'd rather look at a hairy man's ass fucking a girl than a girl fucking a girl, well I have bad news for you.

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>>17354567
>You wouldn't mind a dude, but you pick a female PC because girls are cute
Playing a chick PCC because of this lol. Male on char sheet, but is a chick in appearence. I never really think of it like that how you describe though since far as I'm concerned gender is entirely malleable in elona what with everyone being able to lay eggs and all pets being able to make a gene with you regardless of gender

[Anonymous No.]

10/10 armor would wear

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354723
if you place yourself on girl's place who's only difference from the other girl is her artifical dick(because true hermaphrodites are rarer than albinos), i have a bad news for you.

Also, man in girl clothing is a crossdresser, not trans. If you want to argue on topic of 3rd gender fetishes, at least learn some basic facts first.

Anyway i'd rather do a proper roleplay with any gender than some weird-ass self-insertion fantasy play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354844
>Also, man in girl clothing is a crossdresser, not trans
Yes that's what I said, you should have told the other guy. Transvestite, while it does have the word trans in it, means crossdresser and not transsexual.

>if you place yourself on girl's place who's only difference from the other girl is her artifical dick
You don't place yourself in the girl's place, because it is a fictional character. Again it doesn't translate to real life. That kind of reasoning would bar you from ever playing as a non-male or non-human character. Self-insertion is the realm of kids or people that have no imagination, like people that name every character in a game their own real name.

[Anonymous No.]

Bit tired of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354883
That's the only reason i'm not playing in that mode.
Everything else seems a huge pain in the ass, which is to my liking, but this is just straight gamebreaking due to the hunting/panic/challenge quests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354890
Nah it basically means that you have to spam incognito for every town visit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354890
I thought it would be a huge issue but so far everything else has been a bit worse.

[Anonymous No.]

My Inferno/Loss throwing/unarmed guy has survived the early early game.
Had a close call with a public performer but Dimensional Move saved me.

P.S. Dimensional Move is how you don't die with early Loss characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355048
unarmed? not staff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355076
I'll probably end up using a staff, I just don't have one yet.
Rocks are a bit easier to find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355085
I'm curious whats the limit on multiattack for throwing. You don't get special ammo with it, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

Dwarf farmer here.
22 gardening and 20 cooking
Level 8
Got a one farm and just bought second deed of farm. Planting mostly fruits and veggies, but planted some gems and magics for test
Hunting for barbeque set, but I think I may need to invest in shop to get this.
Bandits are surprisingly often robbing me, so far they're too strong for me to defeat them (1.64 version)..
Started worshiping Kumiromi for stamina regeneration, so I can cook more.
Food quality still in the middle, so money isn't that great from this yet, but Iahppened to get ~600GP for cooked meal.
Got a wish before, so I wished to seven leagues boots, makes harder escort jobs doable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355117
>Hunting for barbeque set, but I think I may need to invest in shop to get this.
You can just steal one once you get to the second continent. This is what I did and I'm also a Dwarf farmer. They never appeared in shops no matter how much I invested or how often I visisted.
I'd suggest getting ranches. I have 8 but if you actually use pets for combat less is fine. You can cook the corpses and eggs to raise cooking and profit. You should easily get more money then you can ever feasibly use for anything beyond the extremely inefficient money sinks that seem to exist just for rich people to waste money on.
Apparently fairies now drop experience of Kuro pretty often so those would be good to ranch. Not sure how fast they breed though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355117
with SLB you could loop yowyn-palmia-vernis-port-derphy-yowyn for gardening quests, only taking escorts enroute.

I had 40'ish gardening by the end of level 7 on my farming fairy, no idea why yours is that low. You seem to get much more gardening xp from picking big veggies in harvest time quest, other than that idk.
And i've been robbed only once, just zapped teleport rod and left the map. RIP little girl. It seems that escort quests increase chance of robbers event.

You can steal BBQ from party time after you kill everyone.

On my normal game i had BBQs from general vendor at 100 investment level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354655
Oh hell yes this is the best and the most cute, I am extremely excited holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17352208
An update if you will, as it turns out besides having fame in negative billions of numbers and letters, first time my CON increased it also went into few thousand negative, effectively killing my fairy and crashing the game and rendering the save file unusable.
Prior to this I also had materials drop in hundreds, on every event of tripping on some materials the log would say the ususal (1) but inventory would be increasing by triple digit amounts.

Completely wiped the game except the save files and starting over again lets see how far does this guy live.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355233
What the hell happened to your game dude?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355137
Thanks.
>>17355150
>I had 40'ish gardening by the end of level 7 on my farming fairy, no idea why yours is that low.
I didn't invest much platinum into raising potential, maybe that's why.

>And i've been robbed only once, just zapped teleport rod and left the map.
Yeah, I should get the rod, so obvious.
>You can steal BBQ from party time after you kill everyone.
It will take a while before I get to kill the whole room.
>On my normal game i had BBQs from general vendor at 100 investment level.
Man, that's a lot of cash.

Thanks for tips!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355318
Its very important to rush violent garden (lv30 gardening + feat) for farmers, so i literally dumped all plat til 300-400% potential before taking harvest time quests. Ten you could simply oneshot those puny robbers if they dare to stand between you and yet another unharvested farm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355381
Okay, didn't know it was so powerful.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355386
It's pretty damn good.
Next to nothing has poison resistance until level 26 (and you should still kill everything at half damage after that), it has a larger radius than ball spells, and it prevents everything it hits from moving for a turn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355386
>>17355405
It's basically like "what if Poison Nova was good?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355252
Fuck knows, but my little girl no longer has the infinity blessed scroll of gain materials. Would be a shame if I didn't go full on jew and have her use it a bit more than thousand times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355437
At this point its no different from simply using EloSnack and putting 99999 everywhere.
>>17355386
It started from around 150 damage to everyone on screen and now at 70-80 gardening ot deals 400 damage to all, for 22sp or something. Its not OP, its simply ridiculous for early game.

[Anonymous No.]

Talk about OP skills, how good is giga gravitation special action?

[Anonymous No.]

Hm... Why can't I take escort quests with no pets in my party? (I usually have 2 pets, so it's not charisma?)
Is it bugging up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355514
Pets not immediately with you but at the inn or whatnot still count against the limit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355514
>>17355525
To elaborate, every pet you own counts against the limit no matter if it's with you, absent, dead, or whatever.
The only way to remove a pet from this count and still keep them is to drop them off at a Discarded Ranch property, which you can't get until Act 2 (or maybe a wish?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355525
>>17355533
Oh, yeah, clearing my little girl stockpile fixed it.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355533
If you have a CHA score that only allows 5 pets and actually have 5 pets, but then you park 2 at the doujou, you can get 2 more. But does the doujou observe the absolute 15 pet limit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355533
Doujou doesnt do this now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355555
I thought Doujou counted like how pets left at a store still count, whoops.

>>17355551
If the doujou lets you take more pets it's because it's "removing" them like the ranch does.
So yeah, you can probably get around the limit that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355562
>The Doujou can hold a maximum of 150 pets.
according to wiki
techically it completely removes pet from your party list, in save file i still works like that in 1.69

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355562
Please note that if you put a pet in the doujou it loses its custom -taught AI. Thus my question earlier if they lose it when soul spindled. Apparently the way pets get taught in Custom is sort of kludged because altering an npc's moveset is very hard to do, and I'm assuming instead of using unique NPC ids they're stored as lists of generic NPCs in areas, with skill levels hard coded in to be tracked, but otherwise it looks like teaching only works because the spells/abilities are linked to the party member's slot in your party. It must be really tough working with this source code, if i'm reading this right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355735
Although, kai's pet guide says nothing about this. maybe this has been fixed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17336418
did this little girl just make a carpentry and tailoring item in one night? I thought only one could be made per night.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355455
>At this point its no different from simply using EloSnack and putting 99999 everywhere.
Well to be fair it's a character on Overdose with main purpose of fucking around whilst following what my essential one does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355796
You can have both now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355735
custom ai uses party id as far as i know. everything that removes npc from this list makes his ai data invalid as the result.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355810
was this recent? fuck

[Anonymous No.]

Dorf plant breeder here.
Got 30+ gardening and feat, yet I don't have Violent Garden, I have Misteltein, so I have good game version. I slept, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355883
Last couple updates or so, yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355859
Gotcha. That's pretty fair anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355886
You have to level up with stat reqs to actually get a skill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355886
You only get new abilities on level up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355859
Of course that also means I can't teach my death maneki Holy Veil and soul spindle it... Gonna have to have aromalocarisgrill teach it after she learns it. Gonna be an exciting adventure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355891
>>17355893
Okay, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355896
Custom AI is not quite the same as the taught abilities though.
I would really test it out with a discarded ranch first. I feel like taught abilities may stay.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else having trouble connecting to codepad.org?

[Anonymous No.]

So I've been playing around with an INI-reset formless spawn in E+ Custom, because formless fetter seems fun. The update states:

>All enemies in sight that are on any map effect (including floating enemies) will have 1 turn of Bind applied to them (Bind does not stack), and be dealt Magic attribute and Control Magic skill-dependent magic element damage.

So you get funny interactions if you turn off its constant acid ground ability, or if you spam web. When it gets stronger and more fireproof I've got to test if it works with burning tiles. All in all, 10/10 pet good flavor.

[Anonymous No.]

Someone in Vernis has monster attracting equipment on. Someone near Sir Ragnarok.
I think I'll steer clear of Vernis for a while, it's only a matter of time before it happens.

Figures this happens on my Inferno mode character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357307
Speaking of which, is it possible to just get instagibbed by ragnarok out of nowhere if a random NPC spawns with a weapon that brings an end?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355919
Nope, taught abilities do disappear.
I guess they're stored separately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357361
Possibly?
It's a vanishingly rare attribute. I don't think it would show up randomly before a certain point as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357366
Yeah I swear I read a post stating that the custom-taught abilities reside in some data segment linked to party slots, wiped when a party member is removed. Good news is I don't have to train 4 different crabs before making a gene, bad news is I don't get to hand-deliver a soul-spindled holy-veil death maneki. Too bad holy veil is one of the harder books to read, as well.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone have an updated sister ui, a cute monster spreadsheet? does the /v/ music pack still work?

[Anonymous No.]

Do +s on rice balls actually do anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357563
They restore more stamina.

[Anonymous No.]

Mist of dazzling works with formless fetter, as does fire, however curtain of smoke does not. Not sure why. Maybe there's a fun combination here, too bad mist is flat 1/4 chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357563

on tea and rice balls get more stamina back

[Anonymous No.]

Someone on the south side of Port Kapul has monster attracting equipment.
It has been a war zone on and off with pretty high leveled enemies compared to what I am at.
Saw that the food vendor was bleeding occasionally and put two and two together. I couldn't pickpocket him since I just got the skill, so I decided a mercy killing to stop the terror was in order.

...Immediately after I murdered him I went to the in and then more monsters were summoned by something not the food vendor. Woops.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357696
It's Raphael. Fuck him up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357703
He isn't anywhere near the incidents.
Not that I need an excuse to murder that guy, but still.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is character.bmp in the elona graphic break unless you resave as 256 bit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354883
>>17354890
>>17354901
Can't you change monster them into somewhere else before killing them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357817
I meant someTHING else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357820
mutate target? should be a way to go as well, i wonder if it works with hunt quests. But its hard to get big enough stock of potions to do that even with rare drop boost, and wont help much from accidental kills by pets with AOE abilities

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone explain now shopkeeper feats?

[Shopkeeper feats]

TraitElegance

Increases Charisma by 30 when acquired.
Increases the amount of money that visitors to your shop carry by 75% and 2,000. This does not apply to NPCs that are generated with 0 gold.

TraitAestheticSense

When trading items, items are worth 33% + 300gp more.

How do you capitalize from money carried by visitors?
And whats the purpose of second skill? To make pets sell ores and stuff at premium prices?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357681

[Anonymous No.]

Finally got a lucky day after an ingame year. Are scrolls of wonder and gain material best used during lucky days or does it not matter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358084
Is it just me or damage looks pretty pathetic for those stats?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358116

Then we look at violent gardens damage

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358004
The second skill means more books/rods of wish.

[Anonymous No.]

Getting a really weird problem when I try to use custom graphics. With Elona+ on its own it works fine, but when I try using Elona+ custom with any custom portrait or body selected it crashes after the intro cutscene.

Anyone got any ideas what could be causing that? I tried resaving the files to see if it was a format issue.

[Anonymous No.]

Coming back to play Elona+ after a 3 year or so break. Thinking of playing a mounted character this time, anything I should be careful of compared to 3 years ago? Will be playing Essential. I've heard magic is less grindy/unwieldly now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358503
Magic practice means you can level up all your spells without spamming them for a modest platinum fee.
It's pretty much what convinced me to actually bother with it, since now switching damaging spells isn't incredibly crippling.

[Anonymous No.]

I might not be Kai but I have a story I'd like to share, A story about how I got my fifth party member. Bear with me since I am a horrible storyteller.

So there I was, dungeon diving mindlessly without a care in the world, when suddenly I'm surprised by quite the uncommon sight. An elf, some might say, an elea, would others; this one, however, had something no other had. She was delicious brown.

I immediately raised the flag, signaling my pets to stop wrecking havoc, so that I could approach her without endangering her, and as soon as they confirmed the command I rushed towards my new found love without hesitation, taking step after step in a continuous stride with no consideration to the possibility my feelings would be unrequited. Seems my approach was a tad too direct however, since as soon as I reached my newfound object of admiration she split all over, leaving nothing but a thin red mist where she once was. I was heartbroken, but not defeated. I knew if I kept crawling through the many dungeons and labyrinths that plague South Tyris I would eventually set eyes on my beloved once more.

Day after day, night after night, floor after floor! I dove and I roamed and I crawled all over, hoping to once again set eyes on my caramel candy, so that I could once more try to get her into my balls. There were many hardships however, as time and time again my mettle was tested by numerous villians, from the darkest of magical birds that wouldn't stop farthing magical mists all over, to even a hidden ninja village, which I couldn't see coming until it was too late. Alas I didn't surrender, for I had a mission, a purpose, a goal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358582

The months passed, and not a single time I was blessed with the lucky day I would eventually meet my beloved in. I feared for the worst, I feared she'd never enter my field of sight ever again. Dungeons came and went, and the many halls and corridors seemed to have no end, each merging with the others inside my mind. Different sights and different walls, made from blocks, tinder, dirt or wood. Many of them different from each other, but all of them the same, none seemed to hold my obsession within. I despaired, feared I would fail, my conviction was crumbling.

"- Maybe I don't need a fifth party member." It was all over.

But then, just then, the unimaginable happened. The waist, the clothes, the melanin. Eureka! I had found her! I quickly rushed to her side and with a swift blow to the solar plexus delivered onto her all of my love. She knew it was fate, and soon after she was residing in my pocket, ready to become one with me, one of us.

I promptly invited her into my home, making sure to pass through one of my many ranches on the way to grab a couple of guests, invited them for a welcoming party in her honor hoping that one day they'd teach her the skills she'd need to be part of my posse. My party was full halfway there but it was fine, I'd just have to throw two parties, or even three, I'd spare no expense for her. Once inside, it's when *that* happened, however.

I opened her ball carriage to let her into my home, ready to surprise her with all of gifts that would soon be hers, but what came out of the sphere was something else, something different, something with it's own spheres.

"-That's a penis." I knew my character was to be tested once again. But I wouldn't quit, I had gone too far for too long to give up. I knew it was only a matter of time, I could have the undesired male just sleep in the ranch, eventually he'd bring my beloved to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358468
24 bit windows bmp without alpha channel. only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358616
Break his mind and body with forbidden meat, get a waifu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358616

Days turned to weeks, which turned to months. Seasons came and went without signs that my desire would ever be fulfilled. I figured there was something wrong with the bait I had set, never before had one of my ranches taken so long to give fruit. I feared the worst.

Hoping patience would be all that was necessary, I set out on yet another journey. Many more hardships were met, but eventually something that hadn't happened in years fell into my lap onces more. I knew it in my bones as soon as I woke. It was my lucky day.

I set out with renewed vigor, reading as many partchments as I could to get all sorts of new spells and materials. I set out to craft all sorts of wonders, magical swords that grew in power the more they were used, the confiest of undergarments that could drive a man insane, all in preparation to my future encounter. Excellent business opportunities more than tripled my coffers, and lastly but most important, I heard rumors of a mythical place under the sea legend has it the flow of time was different from ours. Surely this place was was I needed for my plan to bear fruit.

Maybe it was part of the surge of luck, but I actually managed to score an invitation to the mythical underwater palace from one of it's inhabitants. All they asked in return was that I entertained the princess with stories of my travels. Stories that I was more than happy to share.

I delved into the ocean, ready to share the tales of my fancies, but saddened that I knew they lacked a happy ending. However what I didn't expect was that I'd find just that in there, under the waves. Fate sure is a fickle mistress.

Ok, I'm tired of this. Basically the fucking dark elf was male so I set a ranch hoping to get a female one, though I know chances are 50/50 and what's worse the guy has a breeding power of 12. Anyway, while I was wasting time I got two lucky days in a row, made around 80 millions cash just crafting panties and lightsabers, but wasted most of it feeding presents to the princess because why not? What I didn't count on was that apparently her relationship status resets every time I left the place. Ended up wasting a lot of money and around half an ingame year just showering with presents unsuccessfully, but fuck it, I finally got her. I think it'd just be faster to find another dark elea on a dungeon that wait for that asshole to finally give birth to anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358663
There are still male flags in the character left though and the game will sometimes refer to your "girl" as him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358663

Eh, I already have a transmale on the party. I hoped the game would be more magical about sex changes but nope. It even refers to the targets as a him still.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358654
Yeah, they're saved as that. None of the other cutscenes seem to crash after so I just saved after waking up and switched exe files back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358686
You have to bless the forbidden meat to completely change to the opposite gender you baka.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357703
>>17357738
Do you get any sort of penalty with his besides a relationship drop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358670
There is no male elves, this is anti elea propaganda.
https://exhentai.org/g/1019722/af5aca025b/
Why don't you accept his love?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358699
Cleanse, purge, purify.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358704
Gay is a specific american subculture based around consumption and limited life.
The long lived Elea cannot be considered "gay".
This is comfort and petting between very close comrades.
This is such a misunderstanding, thinking that non superior Elea culture apply to Elea.
I, Lomias, will not stand for that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358726
Saimore is at it again

[Anonymous No.]

I finished character creation and accidentally made my female character 187cm tall and 76kg

She's a big girl.

I know I can put her on a diet, but how about height, can it be reduced? Otherwise I'll need to reroll, since I noticed it early.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17359093
Cursed milk reduces height, but you will vomit. Watch out from getting the anorexia condition from vomiting too much

[Anonymous No.]

>>17359093
Cursed milk should make you smaller. Or soup of wonderland dropped by little girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17359093
one soup of wonderland from little girls will do

[Anonymous No.]

>>17358084
No idea why it didn't work for me. Cool though

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to raise your stat potential in the early game other than by sleeping?
Most of mine are bad/hopeless and the sleep only gives me ~7% increases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17359240
blessed potions of potential, having a pet with cooking skill, having multiple pets with cooking skill, picnic baskets, sometimes wells

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else notice ore not stacking together when they should?
Specifically, the new diamond jewels do not stack with the very old ones that were in my castle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17359285
Yeah this also keeps happening to me. There's always just one odd ore that doesn't want to stack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17330312
Does the buildings without greenry below them always like that, or appeared after a map refresh ?
I want to make my base near the mirage tower, and greenery in the desert is wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17359307
I tested with a throwaway storage room, and the greenery stays even after removing the building.
It makes me think the green goes away after a map refresh.

Ah what the fuck, it's not like i care, i just want my damn desert base near the cat and bird birls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17359315
You can always make a custom sprite for the overworld map and change the building's to it with a houseboard.

[Anonymous No.]

Farming 78
Force of nature, my ass. Ano sucks at balancing.

[Anonymous No.]

What kind of sprite is the most needed for elona?
more monster variations?
more item variations?
more map variations?

What do you personally miss?

>>17359760
the guy blanket raise rare drop * and you think balance is something he can manage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17359779
Considering this isn't an MMO I don't think raised droprates are a bad thing.

As for the sprites, it's probably the face art that's in more need for an update.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17359779
overland map tiles>greenery map tiles>non-mostergirl mosters

And drop is ok, he successfully fights savescumming without making players drop the game.
>>17359798
probably the only face art that somewhat fits Elona style and its still lacking a bit in many instances.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17355318
Or you can simply use it. Another reason to encircle palmia with farms, town got plenty of party time quests for you to cook muskmelons and other expensive stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17359816
You ever check the tieba pack? There is a large number of world map sprites you can use

[Anonymous No.]

What are some ways to teach skills to my pets if it has nonstandar body parts? Yith comes with 4 hands, 4 rings, shoot and ammo slots, but most other pets seem to want to give him a neck and head slot.

I guess there's 3 more slots I could add without losing speed, which would be best? Torso, legs, arms or more hands?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360147
transfer skill to some human-types that are sold at Derphy, they don`t transfer limbs, only skills.
Slots depend on specialization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360162


Hm. Guess that'd be magic. What would that translate to? Extra hands for more magic enhance weapons? Feets for more speed? I guess at least a torso for some kind of armor wouldn't be bad, though in my experience resistances are so much more important than DV/PV these might as well be useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360185
4 hands is enough for 3 spellpower weapons + shield, i'd go torso or slots for specific training gear from god rewards.

[Anonymous No.]

How do mutations work on multi limbed characters?
Would character with smooth voice get higher charisma bonus from having more than one head?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354655
Finished! Added ready to use sprite, parts, and portrait to sprite folder. Download: https://mega.nz/#!FmhiCLAK!4jWDx-hb806XJuaXcmRGjswt1yBJ_fwIC2_8hc0rkjs

I wish crab bro good times and a lot of fun with his playthrough

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360208
Mutations are statics bonus.
>>17360229
Not crab bro, but 'Ill be damned if I don't try this.
A static sprite for the monster Aroma-locaris when?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this as good as I think it is? I'm level 50

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360262
its okay

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360229
>https://mega.nz/#!FmhiCLAK!4jWDx-hb806XJuaXcmRGjswt1yBJ_fwIC2_8hc0rkjs
Heck yesss thank you!! Looks adorable, just trying to get my crabs soulmate status for soul-spindle then it's off to the races.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360235
Here you go

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360366
>megusta.jpg.tifff

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360427
If you marry that then we're canonically married, just sayin

[Anonymous No.]

I spent half an hour shifting the entire palace layout down so that I enter closer to the house and have more of a backyard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360795
I mean one can also keybind teleport but

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360809
That's unreliable though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360795
Why don't you design a new home? Isn't it boring to use the stock home?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360853
I have the stock home up until I redesign it, and even then it's nice to have a skeleton to go off of.

[Anonymous No.]

Does this ring anyone's bell?
That would be a very useful software to have.

[Anonymous No.]

>Before I trained performance:
>There's like 15 performance quests in Palmia alone
>After I spent like an hour IRL training it up while doing other stuff:
>There's barely ever even one party time quest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360865
What's wrong with the one you've shown?
I mean, I could make one in a tad, but "muh viruses".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360865
I use GIMP.
Set Grid Size to 48 and Turn it on, and it makes it really easy to tell where graphics packs have fucked up.
Which is surprisingly frequent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360874
>>17360875
This may be optimized to automatically load correctly named chip in the correct spot.
Or not, which I would only know by locating it.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any good reason to have the meido house? The quest rewards for the cockroach deal don't seem very great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17354264
From what I've seen they don't keep their unique special actions or some of them get changed/nerfed hard making them useless. Unless you want to keep one around for rp reasons, they're pretty bad if you were looking for some strong pet to add to the party. The god penalty for recruiting destroys their attributes and skills leaving you with a very high INI pet with nothing remarkable about them. You can probably reset their INI so you can raise them like any decent vanilla pet though.

>>17355487
>>17359760
They're nice special actions when you get them early but they suffer the same fate shining wave has. Excellent damage early on but doesn't scale well enough in damage later on. Ordinary melee attacks, most spells, and ordinary range attacks end up doing more damage than them by a large margin later. Violent garden and the gravity special actions also start seeing problems against later story/dungeon bosses, scaled enemies such as the ones found in the void and awakened dungeons, and in the case of violent garden anyone that has good poison resist.

>>17358582
Well I was entertained by the story at least. If you're still looking for a dark elea you may want to give the slave master in Derphhy a visit. Eventually he sells higher level slaves and dark elea does show up as a potential slave for sale. Dark elea is a lv 78 wizard so catalog A needs to be chosen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360959
not really anything you cant get elsewhere for less time and effort and money
its just a minor money sink

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361010
That's about what I figured, cool.

>>17361003
And too bad about the special actions, the gravity sphere gauge release is particularly cool-looking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17360959
>>17361028
It's a location you can choose for Return.

[Anonymous No.]

Dwarven Farmer here.
Level 13 , 47 gardening, over 28 cooking
Got the shop and put the Yerles machine soldier in it because I have too little charisma to get more pets.
Other pets are bear, wild horse (mount) and wizard of Elea, slowly getting them a better equipment.

I haven't change the shop type because I'm trying to sell stuff I got from robbing traveling merchants (VIOLENT GARDEN FTW), I hope it will soon make up for 150k I put into it.

Question: Does anybody know where the treasure is? I cannot find the rgiht place on the map.
Pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361132
Don't stolen goods sell for extremely shit to anyone but a fence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361144
I don't know, does it? Where can I find the fence? At Thief Guild?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361144
>>17361154
When you kill a travelling merchant, the goods you take from them aren't stolen. It's the same logic as killing somebody in cold blood and taking their stuff, the ONLY way an item gets the "stolen" property is via pickpocket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361132
Try here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361154
>Where can I find the fence?

Are you a narc

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361173
Thanks mate! Somehow I couldn't notice this earlier, maybe I assumed, that Fearful Fort would be on treasure map.

>>17361175
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361208
>that Fearful Fort would be on treasure map
Yeah. You're not the first one. Dungeons and other locations like cities don't appear on treasure maps. I once had a treasure right below Yowyn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361003
Wouldn't 500k damage from violent garden be enough to oneshot everything non-void, bosses aside?
>>17361132
Better change shop type to blaccksmith then. t doesnt cost anything and you'll get 20% on top of the stuff you plundered, nevermind the most basic faster sale time.

It seems that without shop fame you wont sell much anyway, so be ready to wait months til it gets actually profitable.

>>17361208
Thieves guild next to treasury

[Anonymous No.]

Are custom item a thing in Elona+?
If so, how do you create/edit them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361385
Custom item appearance and names are possible.
Adding your own new items would be incredibly difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361357
>It seems that without shop fame you wont sell much anyway, so be ready to wait months til it gets actually profitable.
What if I sell food first (because it's cheapier, so it will faster) and then changing it into blacksmith shop after gaining some shop fame?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361408
Selling cheap thing in high number is a good way to start.
Use it a s an opportunity to raise your fishing and cooking skill.
Growing veggies to sell their cooked self is good too.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me, or are rare items way more common?
I just got 2 rabbit's tails in a row, and had 3 shells on the same screen earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361438

>>17332202

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361438

rabbit tails farm

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361449
Wait, the changelog said that the flag turned off for the day if you find a rare thing, did they change it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361357
Don't expect it to get that high. My gardening is higher than 1,200 and learning is 1,333 and pic shows it used on normal enemies in a random dungeon. 30k is pretty bad when my other stuff is doing millions. Don't really need to be as powerful as me to eventually eclipse the damage you do with violent garden.

It happens much much sooner. If you level up your spells or if you're melee/range get additional attack chance and grind up your skills it will happen. So for me I questioned shining wave, violent garden, and the other special actions in why I was using stamina for those things when I can just kill them with other attacks. If violent garden is all you have though as you poured everything in it I'm sure you can do just fine with the story and regular dungeons but it's poor compared to everything else if you want to take on some of the NPCs in say Act 3, gods, and certain bosses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361492
I don't know, but I have been finding way more rare things than I should if that were the case

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361492
That was undone in the same patch that tied it to not savescumming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361497
I'm not really experienced with high level stuff at all, but it seem that Violent Garden is more to clear the place of weaker enemies that come in greater amounts, after all it reaches everywhere you see.
And it has no way of damaging your allies, so you can spam it no problem.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't had the default game music enabled in years.
The starting cave music is giving me nostalgia tears jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361522
If you use it for that I agree with you that it can be great. It's certainly an alternative to someone that doesn't want to use magic but if you're a wizard a decent AOE spell, meteor might be overkill, should do a good job as well in clearing mobs. Melee can kinda deal with mobs with the special action swarm. As you've said, it's great that it doesn't damage your allies so it's good for that early on when you're still trying to build resist suits for pets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361575
It doesn't hit your pets and it's bigger than ball spells.
Now if only I had an AoE Nightmare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361604
Yeah AOE debuffs would be very nice to see. Happy to see that new studly/sexy buff that's getting introduced next patch. Increases constitution and charisma. If it works the way I think it does, charisma gain will help out fascination dance and other things and constitution buff will grant some temporary extra HP. Might be a good spell when leveled up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17357948
Rod of change monster

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361643
If we do see an area Nightmare I imagine it'll be pet-specific much like Megid Flare is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361571
You mean the MIDI? Elona's MIDI music is very nostalgic for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361571
>>17361708
Likewise.
I eventually came back to the wild arm pack though, I spent most time playing with it and I feel more at home with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17361765
Please no worship of the juvenile sister thank to you.

[Anonymous No.]

You're a bad onichan, I won't gift you my lunchbox.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok. I asked about this before but got no answer so I'll ask again.
Do the extra attack attributes cap?

I'm reading the formula on the wiki, and if that's true I should be doing a lot more hits that I actually am.

I am using a generic shotgun, I am wearing the griphon and the gemini on each melee slot and the arbalest. That should leave me on a total of 4600 extra ranged attack.

Following the formula , the first extra hit would be:

RNG (0-99) < RGN (0 - 4600/15*2+1) [so 0 - 614 for the second value]
Assuming a 99 on the first roll, that'd be around 5 in 6 chances to double attack, and that's assuming the first roll is alway 99 so the chance of a double should be much higher than that.
It certainly feels like it happens less than 83% of the times.

The tricky part comes from the third and 4th attacks. I won't paste the entire formula but assuming 99 again for the first roll it'd look like this:

218 < 614 third attack.
327 < 614 fourth attack.

The wiki actually says the third and forth attacks use the raw calculated attribute strenght and not a multiplication with a RNG value. Assuming this is correct that'd mean that with my current value a third and fourth attacks should be practically guaranteed. Since this is not the case, I can assume of the following:

1.- The formulas are wrong.
2.- The values don't stack.
3.- There's some sort of undocumented diminished return.
4.- Attributes from weapons placed on the melee slots have no bearing on the ranged attack attribute value.

Anybody here capable of clarifying this please?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362240
You have 10 hands?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362240
Scratch that I have no idea where 218 is coming from...

random number(0 to 99) + (number of hands + 10) x number of extra attacks have already occurred < calculated attribute strength x 2 + 1

assuming 13 hands:

99+ (23*1) = 122
99+(23*2) = 145

[Anonymous No.]

And then 4th attack is 168, if i'm reading the same literature as you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362283
The value is number of hands + 10. The wiki states that when you have 2 or less hands the nunber of hands value becomes 0 so it becomes 0 + 10.

The formula is RNG (0 - 99) + (Hands +10) x Numbers of previous attacks.

Assuming rng of 99 thats 99 + 10 * 2 forbthe third strikr. I added before multiplying to assume the larger number. If you multiply before doin the addition the numbef would be 119. But that only makes getting extra attacks easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362311
But why would you add before multiplying when it was written to include parentheses for good parsing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362311
Full disclosure:

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362331
wrong part sorry i have brain poblem

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362339
Although this means your chances go up exponentially if you have more than 2 hands... I feel like we all learned something today

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362318
Because it doesn't matter either way. Doing it the other way around would actually increase my chances further which maked me think the formula in the wiki is wrong.

>>17362339
To be honest I have no clue how to read that, but if extra hands give more cuance instead of less it means I was rihht and the formula on the wiki is wrong.

Unrelated, but goddamn is 4chan going down the crapper. My posts take forever to go through, and when they do it tells me I'm banned. I go verify why I'm banned and I'm banned and it redirects me to a page that says I'm actually not banned. Then it eats my post again. Fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362240
Not sure if the extra attack enchant has a cap but there is a limit to the amount of attacks you can do depending on the weapon skill(s) you are using. Assuming not a mutant though. You can have 10,000 in extra melee attack but will only see 4 attacks with two hand but 8 with dual wield for instance. You can have like 4000 extra range attack but will only see 2 attacks assuming you don't use special ammo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362371
Okay, let me read it out and I'll just hope that I am explaining it right.

if ( rnd(100) + (handkazu + 1) * (handkazu + 10) * extraattack < rnd(cdata(88, cc) * 2 + 1) ) {
extraattack++
ele = 0
goto *act_attack
}


First, to make things easier, I'm going to call # of hands - 2 by the name "adjusted hands" because the line
if ( handkazu <= 2 ) {
handkazu = 0

I'm going to use * instead of x, because it will help yous ee what's going on in the code. * means multiplication of integers here.

means "if there are 2 or less hands, there are zero hands for the purposes of this calculation"

Let's break this down. Here's our if:

if ( rnd(100) + (handkazu + 1) * (handkazu + 10) * extraattack < rnd(cdata(88, cc) * 2 + 1) )

If (random number from 0 to 99)+( (adjusted hands +1) (adjusted hands + 10) * (how many extra attacks have happened so far)) < (calculated attribute strength x 2 + 1 )

Then we get our extra attack (extraattack++ means increment the value "extraattack" by 1).

Else, we continue on to doing the rest of the function.

So basically, we take random 0 to 99, then add this: (hands - 2 +1)x(hands -2 + 10)x(# of extra attacks so far), then compare to the calculated attribute strength x 2 + 1 .

So really you should be getting
(0 to 99) + (1 x 10 x 1 ) = 109 maximum for first extra attack,
(0 to 99) + (1 x 10 x 2 ) = 119 maximum for second,
and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362371

IGNRE LAST POST, HAD A MATH MISTAKE.


Okay, let me read it out and I'll just hope that I am explaining it right.

if ( rnd(100) + (handkazu + 1) * (handkazu + 10) * extraattack < rnd(cdata(88, cc) * 2 + 1) ) {
extraattack++
ele = 0
goto *act_attack
}

I'm going to use * instead of x, because it will help yous ee what's going on in the code. * means multiplication of integers here.


First, to make things easier, I'm going to call # of hands - 2 by the name "adjusted hands" because the line
if ( handkazu <= 2 ) {
handkazu = 0

means "if there are 2 or less hands, there are zero hands for the purposes of this calculation"


Let's break this down. Here's our if:

if ( rnd(100) + (handkazu + 1) * (handkazu + 10) * extraattack < rnd(cdata(88, cc) * 2 + 1) )

If (random number from 0 to 99)+( (adjusted hands +1) (adjusted hands + 10) * (how many extra attacks have happened so far)) < (calculated attribute strength x 2 + 1 )

Then we get our extra attack (extraattack++ means increment the value "extraattack" by 1).

Else, we continue on to doing the rest of the function.


So basically, we take random 0 to 99, then add this: (adjusted +1)x(adjusted hands + 10)x(# of extra attacks so far), then compare to the calculated attribute strength x 2 + 1 .
Or (adjusted hands +1)x(adjusted hands +10)x(# of extra attacks so far), then compare to the calculated attribute strength x 2 + 1 .

So really you should be getting
(0 to 99) + (1 x 10 x 1 ) = 109 maximum for first extra attack,
(0 to 99) + (1 x 10 x 2 ) = 119 maximum for second,
and so on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362415
Mutant blobs truly are monsters then.
Anything that trigger an exponential curve is a monster in my book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362471
Yeah, I had not realized that I was getting a lot of 3 attacks off using a ranged weapon, arbalest, and one +50ish ranged strength ring, but it's probably because I have 3 fucking hands (I'm an idiot)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362479
>>17362348
Wait. Fuck. The math is right but I'm reading this backwards. Your chances go exponentially DOWN. You want smaller numbers on the left hand side of the inequality not bigger numbers. Goddamn I need to get my brain evaluated. Having 3 hands means instead of 109 max, you get max 99 + (3+1)*(10+3)*1 for an extra ranged attack,so 151. 151 is WORSE than 109 for our purposes. Got damn. I'm gonna rip my damn arm off. Never listen to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362506
Well don't feel bad anon. Mutants are just complicated no pun intended. Someone playing a mutant should post their extra attacks and have them chime in on what they're seeing and explain it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362506
Does hand number even do anything for ranged? Shooty things to into the shoot slot, not hands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362655
From what I am reading here, first it calculates the chance of the first extra attack, using two separate instances for ranged and melee, checking if user is classed as Gunner or Warrior.
Then there is a completely separate check right after, that only goes off if there's already been an extra attack. So essentially, it shouldn't matter how you get that first extra attack, the ones that follow work the same way. I guess that means it's best to find out which one gets the advantage on the first extra attack.

However, gunner/warrior both give the same bonus [ +5 on right hand side of inequality for first check; that is, "if ( rnd(100) < rnd(cdata(88, cc) * 2 + 1) + 5 ) " ] and they're both calculated using these two values rnd(cdata(88, cc) or rnd(cdata(89, cc), depending on range or melee. An informed guess tells me those are ranged and melee extra attack mods, as mentioned in the wiki.

Therefore, neither is better than the other, and extra hands are exponentially... worse, for both.

I think.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm glad I was able to spark this conversation, yet saddened it let us where we began.

[Anonymous No.]

Basically 15-hand mutant eats around 50 + 400* # of multihits total of multihit bonus, 8-hand one eats 50 +162, while base needs to only roll more than 10-179 for 2 or less hands for 8th extra hit.
This is for 50% chance of extra attack.

TL;DR: dont use anything but DW for mutants. And you need every piece of extra attack attribute gear you could find on your mutant, so dont go for plain max # of hands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363046
Griffon pistols alone still give average roll of 2000, supposedly, so capped 2 extra attacks should be rather reliable for any number of hands

[Anonymous No.]

>>17362873
Okay I just did some math and I was about to post it but I think my conclusion is faulty. From my understanding you should be getting 3 attacks 5/6 of the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363046
And another thing is - the only way to get decent multi-hit bonus on weapon now is Garrok's hammer, which gives +250 on weapon. Thus, DW mutant is the ultimate grindfest in this game and requires by several orders of magnitude more investment in gear than any other chara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363122
I mean you knew what you were signing up for when you made a gene with a soul spindled pro-jet, stacks of disturb growth equipment and living lightsabres, and descent potions to get yourself to act 2 while still Lv1

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363122
Artifact extra attack bonus
head 200
neck 600
back 250
arm 700

Randomly generated extra melee appears only on rings and amulets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363147
I wonder how big the bonus on amulets and rings can be for the lategame.

[Anonymous No.]

So, with all this mutant musing, I have a question. Does gene engineering little sister's gene into my pet count for little sister kills counter? Or i can safely evolve them until i get desired bodypart composition to throw them into biogrinder later?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363174
And, does dr. Gavela's extra bodypart count for maimum donated bodypart limits of that type?

e.g. I have 8 ring slots from Gavela and 2 from evolving a mutant. I can donate up to 2 ring slots or up to 10 ring slots via gene-engineering using this mutant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363210
Not sure what you mean, can't you only donate one part?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363218
I mean can i donate one more ring slot to target that already got 9 ring slots, or i can donate only 2nd ring slot to target.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363230

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363267
Little sister with 10 ring slots, 8 of which gained from dr. Gavela and 2 gained from mutation gives the gene to Younger sister. Younger sister already got 9 ring slots.
Will my adorable Younger sister get 10th ring slot after filthy artifical Little sister donated her genes, or i need all-natural pure Little sister which got all 10 ring slots from mutation to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

Any way to reduce friendy fire from swarm attack?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363431
Aside from the dead obvious like "get them better armor" or "stand where you won't hit them," I don't think there's really any tricks to avoid damaging them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363471
I've had some hope that control magic will help, too bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363159

331 on a amulets i crafted

>>17363147

range attack for rings too.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying out a Warmage, casting for the first time. Are these assumptions correct?:

- Exact weight carried doesn't matter for spell chance, only which category you fall into (light, med, or heavy)
- Shields and non-staff weapons don't seem to interfere with casting

That said, as a Warmage is it feasible to wear heavy armor and still get high casting chance, or should I just stick with light armor? Maybe medium as a compromise? I only have a few beginner spells now to reference, so I don't know how bad it will get later.

[Anonymous No.]

Food shop was full of fish and cheese.

[Anonymous No.]

Crab Tactics skill level 818 MA Skill level 785

Golem Tactics skill level 630 MA Skill level708

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363546
1. Correct.
2. Shields do have a penalty. There is also a penalty for dual-wielding.

The way casting penalties work is that they are applied after your spell cast rate but before the Warmage feat.
This means that you will never get better than an 80% cast rate for every spell while in heavy armor (85% for Warmages), even on the simplest spell.
The warmage feat is enough to completely negate the Shield penalty (which is 5%), but the other penalties can't be negated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363174
You can easily check yourself if you have two little sister at hand.
Save, make a backup, fuse one sister, and handover the other.
When you handover the sister, the scientist tells you how many you killed and saved, which hopefully will be 0/X.

I procrastinated answering this question myself for quite some time now. Be the productive person i can't be !

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363546
The best option for warmage to go either medium armor for 20% spellpower later, OR shield for extra survivability. You can use tonfas instead of shields to avoid penalties but still get some protection, not sure if tonfas give shield skill bonus as well now, though.
>>17363564
I can test so many things with elosnack'ed wizmode chara but i couldnt bring mysellf to do this for years now.

[Anonymous No.]

At first I thought the ''Good grief, is somebody trying to cop a feel?'' message I saw in screens was somebody's self-written talk file, but then I started seeing it in dungeons. Who is the creature being copped and going yare yare?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363563
>>17363596
Thanks for the spell info - so I'm hearing that as a Warmage, my max casting in heavy armor without a shield is 85%, with a shield is 80%...how about medium armor with and without shield?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363633
Medium is -8%, shield is -5%, warmage is +5%.
So 92% maximum cast rate.

Also note that tonfas do not count as shields and have no penalty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363543
Means for minmaxed multi-handed chara only one arm, and then neck and ring slots matter, after weapons. And some reduces phys damage attribute on chest to make pet unstoppable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363633
>http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells_(Elona%2B)/Technical

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363548
Wait, you can have more than 1 shop at the same time? Yowyn Special 24/7 grocery store chain is no longer a dream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363677
You can have any number of shops, and up to 15 shopkeepers since that's the pet limit.

[Anonymous No.]

This might be the only normal one I have seen in my life

[Anonymous No.]

Is this my punishment for savescumming out of death? It was normal just a little while ago.

[Anonymous No.]

Using formula, provided by anon in this thread, i decided to increase the precision of my guesstimations using science. This is for hypothetical 30-slotted chara.
Conclusion: Ano hates mutants.

WHY

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364051
My brain stopped working at average value formula(clearly wrong one), but the whole picture is pretty damn sad anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363865
You should also have lost about 5 points in Life and Mana

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364051
https://pastebin.com/sdD5Gfqb
I don't really get how this formula works with the one spreadsheet is based on.
And HSP source is absolutely unreadable.

Do I get it right that its a chance to start first extra attack and is not used after first extra attack started?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364286
Nope, I have a screenshot of my starting stats and they're 90/110, same as they are now.

So is the negative timer an anti-cheat thing? Should I start over (character is only a few hours old) and go clean this time? I had heard about the 10 minute rare item flag, but this seems more like "fuck you cheater, your save is now permanently corrupt".

iirc, around this time I had savescummed my way out of deaths in some hunting missions and an urgent escort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364332
I just started a character to test it and he lost 5 in life and mana after ALT+F4, only other things I know are savescumming prevention are negative karma gain and the 100 turn debuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364366
Thats valid for loss mode only. -80 karma, debuff and permanent life/mana loss.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364366
>>17364371
Yes, sorry, forgot to mention I'm playing Essential (previously known as Advancing) Mode

I don't get any of that killing the process in here. I have no idea what triggered the negative time though, was just wondering if anyone else had seen it or knows if it's an intentional anticheat thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364379
There's no savescum prevention in Essential only in Normal and Loss

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364371
>>17364379
Here's the character sheet for one ALT+F4, I forgot to include the "It's a nosave penalty" on the mainmenu loadscreen but it doesn't really matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17363600
Silver-eyed witch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364390
That's weird, then. I have no idea what caused this bug. I can't even find the time transpired flag when I load the save up in Elosnack, in gdata.s1 or any other files.

I mean, if going straight will fix it next time then I'll go straight, but if not then maybe I'm better off starting on 1.68 or waiting until the next version if it's a 1.69 problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364332
I'm pretty sure the negative timer thing is just a bug. Several people have reported it even before Ano's save-scum crusade. Besides, I believe the rare-flag timer is independent of the in-game time. So you have nothing to worry about, if you don't mind not being able to tell your play time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364572
I see, thanks. It does still bother me on an aesthetic level though, I wish I could find it in elosnack to set it right, since I worry about the timer being used in the future for other things and it's nice to see how long you've been playing anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364051
these numbers can't be right. I got 83% chance with your gear to get 2 Extra attacks, and even that seems high.

[Anonymous No.]

Like here, tell me if I'm crazy. Chance of first extra attack given not warrior or gunner should be (probability that first number is less than second number) times (probability that second number is between 0 and 99), which is (0.5 * 100/614 = 50/614). then we add to that the probability that the second number is >99 (instant success), which is 514/614, so 564/614 total. About 92%.

You can only get asecond extraattack if there's been a first, so here's the calc (I THINK) for a second extraattack:
Given your stats, ends up being (probability that first number is less than second number) times (probability that second number is between 10 and 109), which is (0.5 * 100/614 = 50/614). then we add to that the probability that the second number is >109 (instant success), which is 504/614, so 554/614 total.

That means probability for two extra attacks is (564/614)*(554/614) = about 83%.

Am I going wrong here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17364846
With my gear? It assumes that chracter has 250 extra attack enhancement on each equipped weapon, 2 artifacts that give more than 250 extra attack bonus magnitude, and the rest of the body is filled with rings/amulets with extra attack attribute, up to slot 27, with the 3 slots til the cap of 30 being used by ranged, ammo and bodyslot.
I have no idea how you get only 83% with extra attack bonus of 7690 magnitude. Its fucking seven thousand. 1-109 vs 1-15380

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365058
Oh I thought you were the guy who had 4600. I was operating under 4600/15. My bad!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365058
also you're calculating that incorrectly according to the wiki. it's not 7690*2 +1. it's (7690/15)*2 +1. I know it says "cdata(88, cc)" but I think that already takes the /15 into account. "cdata(88, cc)" is illegible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365083
I've used latest source code, dunno about wiki. Could you explain where did you get this /15?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365103
I'm looking for that. Wiki says
>Calculated attribute strength = sum of extra melee/ranged attack equipment attribute strength across all equipment pieces / 15.

cdata(88, cc) and cdata(89, cc) are the melee strength and ranged strength bonuses, respectively. This source is as long as the xbox is huge.

Aha, here we go:

if ( rp2 == 50 ) {
cdata(88, r1) += inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, rp) / 15
continue
}
if ( rp2 == 51 ) {
cdata(89, r1) += inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, rp) / 15
continue
}

Okay so there's something being divided by 15, let's go for the full monty. It states a bit earlier than this that
rp2 = inv(40 + cnt * 2, rp)
...Nope, still not sure what I'm reading yet. This is an illegible mess. Hwoever, SOMETHING is being divided by 15 and being stored in those data slots, I assure you. What that is (probably how ranged/melee strength is summed up) I can't tell at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365178
This source is officially the least readable I've ever seen, nevermind the part of me not knowing a thing about this language.
What do you use to read HSP? Basic highlighting doesnt work well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365271
I use notepad++. It helps a little. For reference, it's good practice (or whatever) to name your variables legible things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365314
This mess looks like a product of a decompilation rather than an original source desu.
Notepad doesnt help much. Probably easier to simply google translate original jp manual.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any particular rank fire proof blankets become more available from general shops?
I am swimming in cold proof blankets but haven't seen a fireproof one in a store or dungeon in ages and I'm not even that high leveled.

Also
>Damage for Shining Wave, Smash Ground, Blade Strings, Golden Storm, Rocket Fire, Nuclear Fire, and Hyper Dash special actions is now divided by the sum of PV and DV.
Does ano just want special actions to be crap? Or is the small chance he adds better scaling to make up for this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365341
Is it? I was under the impression that Noa released the source and it was taken over. In that case, my bad. I'm not familiar with decompilation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365351
There appears to be some kind of propensity to make special actions scale linearly, or exponentially but only based on two values that are capped at 2000. Not sure why this became a thing. Maybe it's because they weren't sure if it would be too broken otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365354
I have no idea actually, I only know that i wouldnt be able to work with a commentless code of such size, its simply a major headache coupled with pain in the ass.

>>17365351
its always on sale for me, must be rng

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365381
Yeah I have no idea how they do it. I'd die from neurofibroma.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365406
http://www.onionsoft.net/hsp/v34/doclib/hspprog.htm
Still no idea what exactly inv() do.

[Anonymous No.]

Nothin personnel kid

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365529
Let me add that it went just as you guys said: Early on playing on inferno you will die and lose the character quickly and often, but when one of them gets past that phase and gets the ball rolling, chances of dying keep getting lower. By now it'd take something special like a oneshot (grass dancer could probably do the trick), a special ability/situation (ailment at a bad moment, getting cluster bomb rocked), or sheer stupidity on my part (starvation/crushed by backpack) to kill this one. I got a defender as insurance

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365351
Does being blessed do anything for cold/fireproof blankets?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365529
Congratulations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365661
Never noticed any difference. When it works charges are properly consumed for blessed as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365492
Can't find any documentation for it, but I think I've caught on to the gist of it. Consider the following:

if ( eqtwohand ) {
if ( inv(7, ci) < 4000 ) {
if ( cnt < 14 ) {
inv(0, ci) = 0
continue
}
}
}
if ( eqtwowield ) {
if ( inv(7, ci) > 1500 ) {
if ( cnt < 14 ) {
inv(0, ci) = 0
continue
}
}
}


Now read this:

>. Wielding a normal weapon (1.5s to 4.0s) in your off hand gives a large penalty, but may be overcome by a high Dual wielding skill.

Somehow, inv(7, ci) means "weight of current weapon being operated on" Inv must be some special inventory data function from elona.dll .

i.e. BloodyShade come help

[Anonymous No.]

>>17365745
i want to belive that its a very straightforward processing of related bonus for equipped items, it adds (41+2*bonus value of each item)/15 after checking all equipped items 1 by 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366199
I hope so. In that case, yeah, take 7690, multiply by 2, divide by 15 (in which order, I dunno - order matters here because its integer division) and add 1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366239
rather, if its true, the formula is ((41*(#of items with this bonus)+(sum of extra attack bonus from all items)*2))/15 or (41*27 + 7690*2)/15 = 1099.13

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366276
Thus , the initial conclusion that Ano hates dw mutants is proven* to be true yet again. Fuck.


*maybe

[Anonymous No.]

What do the guys that feel bad about gene-engineer-murdering slave little girls think about shades? Shades aren't even the actual creatures, they're just mindless ghost copies like D&D shadows.

[Anonymous No.]

Does the bed material affect sleep quality?
I swear I've had better better bonuses on my happy bed before I turned it into paper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366299
I think that shade's sprite should be changed to a giant 50d die to represent my thoughts about this creature class.
>>17366333
Nope. 90% of Elona population got paper happy beds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366339

keep my bed heavy to train my lifting/str stat

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366276
That seems wonky though, because that would mean with 0 bonus you have a shot at getting 2+ extra attacks only by being a gunner/warrior, and i've never seen that happen.

>>17366333
Pretty sure no. Paperwork bed/bbq set here, like most, don't see any drawback.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366339
>>17366359
Oh, yeah, my bad, I was thinking about sleep events, just read up that those aren't even affected by bed quality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366356
Carry around your wife to get swole

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366359
It adds 41 only if you have this type of bonus on a piece of equipment. warrior and gunner only got their bonus processed when # of extra attacks = 0. I dont see any controversy yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366449
I carry food to keep my wife's booty abunant enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366474
Yeah I dunno for sure. I don't know precisely what inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, rp) means because I don't know what inv() does. I can't tell whether the first argument, that is, in inv( argument1, argument2), is the item slot, or all item slots, or something beyond imagining, or if the other is the item slot. For all I know, it's binary flags adjusted by 1, 32, and 8, to get 41. It probably isn't, but I just don't know. The definition of "rp2" was impossible to follow for me. As for "rp" I've seen this written in multiple places:
rp = cdata(cnt, r1) \ 10000 - 1.

What is rp, what is r1, and what is the exact function of cdata or inv?
No fuckin idea. I've seen cdata memcpy'd into userdata, so it's an information block of some kind.

Even though it says add 41, I can't prove for 100% what we're really adding 41 to. 40 + cnt*2 +1 could mean anything. It could be a pointer to a certain part of an array. Maybe rp is the value. I have less than half an idea.

tl;dr: More hands = worse, but can't read exact formula here.

[Anonymous No.]

About how much height does a single blessed milk give a player/pet?

Wanted to make my wife a little taller and was wondering how much milk I needed to stock up to make her grow 1972cm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366627
Dunno my dude, try it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366631
I suppose you're right. Wanted an idea so I could just stock them up and bless a single stack, but I guess I could just waste a blessed water on a small stack for testing purposes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366658
If you wait long enough at a ranch you end up with blessed milk naturally anyway (and cursed)

[Anonymous No.]

Retried Loss fairy style, got ambushed right off the bat as I left the cave by someone faster than myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366623
rp = cdata(cnt, r1) \ 10000 - 1
.
99% that it means (total number of bodyparts) - 1, since bodypart types use 10k increments

Yeah, any assumption you could build is rather far-fetched. I want to ascertain optimal number of hands for DW mutant, though.

TL;DR: BloodyShade, halp!

>>17366758
RIP

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366777
Ohhhh interesting! Very helpful info. Weird as hell that it's -1 though. This source is like deciphering an actual ancient book.

[Anonymous No.]

My fairy just started 3rd farm, but my shop is already overstocked - single Little Girl cant satisfy such a hardworking master, it seems.

Unfortunately, I got stuck at <hopeless>ness for attributes I care about, and grinding cooking takes forever. But I'm very close to <herb in>'s lv30 cooking now, probably need only a couple more harvests to get there. Got stacks of herbs ready for that happy moment.

Despite getting traveling boots from Yeek king quest I wont get enough favor for Kumiromi's summoning this year. Oh sadness. Fairies love Kumiromi, and Kumiromi loves fairies.

Debating whether I should start getting cheese and aim for Lesimas already or go and get another shop.
My gardening went past lv100 already, farming is awesome, and so is violent garden. Too bad I'll die from accidental sneeze
Probably gonna try go wander around the world to capitalize on nefia fewer, and let my Little Girl train her business smile for a bit longer.

(I hope endless farming wont melt my brains and I'll abstain from rushing into horde of monsters with no stamina again. Barely survived Yeek king after sacrificing Cute Fairy and Very Cute Golden Bell. Had to teleport around waiting for 50 stamina, got there on last teleport rod charge. Scary, scary.)

>>17366901
You don't say. I tried reading it on tab and its downright impossible. There was a genre of a quest book popular back in the day, you had to read the paragraph and then it linked you to another page depending on your choice. Reading this source very much reminds me of such books. With an occasional encryption added for shit`n`giggles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366777
>rp = cdata(cnt, r1) \ 10000
Not Bloodyshade, but that doesn't seem to be it, that's residue ("\", not "/") from dividing cdata(cnt, rl) by 10000, whatever that means. 95% though that "rl" here is an id of character (0 is player), and cnt is *probably* the id of a bodypart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366983
Herbs don't fix "Hopeless"ness, you realize.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367015
I could also see this being the case, yeah. The other person said it was in 10k increments, so the residue operation seemed legit. There's just so much to go through, without knowing exactly what these functions even do it's sort of a crapshoot.

>>17366983
You've got a palace already? Get those magic vendors running

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367018
Curaria - maybe. Other types of herbs provide some potential, though. But I guess I'll really stay at <hopeless> in the end, too much attrib xp. My only hope is that Ano increased potential 'tank' in recent patches.
>>17367015
Oh, right, my bad there. Seems like it takes item IDs, then, since residues from 10k increments is equipped item IDs.

>>17367098
No I'm too poor, waiting for the shops to get popular(and cooking to get high enough). I kind of got spoiled by my old normal mode character and completely forgot how to make early cash. I hope 8 farms+2 shops will do the job in next...err, 3 months, I guess? Gotta put fairy's class name to use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367180
>Other types of herbs provide some potential, though
It's like 2-5%, which is a whole hell of a lot less than you need to beat out the exp from the herbs themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367193
Even now?
Oh, just noticed the second and the most important part of
1.60 changelog:
Rare herbs now recover 20 times as much potential. The amount of potential recovered by food infused with herb remains the same. This is to buff the option of eating herbs as they are.

I guess I only have to herb'in curaria now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367227
Rare herbs does not mean curaria though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367254
Exactly, I planned to herb'in rare herbs as well, good thing I checked changelog on herb changes first.

[Anonymous No.]

All those shop feats for non-shopkeeper seem to be rather useless. I'll most likely simply evochat money to pets instead of bothering with gems.
Anyway, first pair of potential/flyscroll merchants is gonna arrive sooner than i anticipated at this rate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367180
They are indeed, but you seem to be looking at the wrong direction here.
>if ( rp2 == 50 ) {
>cdata(88, r1) += inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, rp) / 15
This is the game checking the inventory for items with "It increases the chance of extra melee attack" (id 50), then adding 1/15 of value of the enchantment to cdata(88, r1) (meaning if you have a sword with this enchantment of strength 300 and no other extra chances, it'll give you +20 to that cdata-88)

Then, if you're dual-wielding (this I'm not sure about), the chance is boosted by dual-wield skill:
>cdata(88, r1) += int(sqrt(sdata(166, r1))) * 3 / 2 + 1
where you'll get an additional (sqrt(dual-wield)*1.5) to cdata-88.

On an attack, you'll perform a check of this cdata-88 to hopefully get a second strike:

>if ( rnd(100) < rnd(cdata(88, cc) * 2 + 1) )

or, if you're a warrior:

>if ( rnd(100) < rnd(cdata(88, cc) * 2 + 1) + 5 )

As you can see, second strike is not guaranteed even at very high values. And after that, there are two additional checks:
1. whether amount of extra attacks is lesser than 3 (or in case of MA, 7), and
2. this:
>if ( rnd(100) + (handkazu + 1) * (handkazu + 10) * extraattack < rnd(cdata(88, cc) * 2 + 1) )
Where handkazu is indeed amount of hands, and is indeed penalizing you, as well as the extra attacks you've already amassed. I presume this was made to prevent mutants from easily getting all 4 hits on every hand.

[Anonymous No.]

Does performing have tiers of instruments like cooking does? Or does it not matter at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367369
>I presume this was made to prevent mutants from easily getting all 4 hits on every hand.

Must be the case. How should we read inv(x,y) and cdata(x,y) , for future reference? I only know what these are referring to by using the wiki and guessing. That is, I was pretty sure what "inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, rp) / 15" does because the wiki said it, but inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, rp) means nothing to me. Hope that's ok to ask!

Thank you very much, by the way, this is a huge help. Now we know we're calculating things right, and we can do some prob/stat as before to nail down some breakpoints (though it seems pretty clear that >2 hands is always bad).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367400
It does matter, however, I think the performing special abilities don't even use an instrument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367438
That is, we know what enchant strength is proper, and we can apply some prob/stat to get a good chart going. There's a pretty good chance that I fucked it earlier; even 83% chance for 3 attacks with 7690 bonus (my attempt) seems high.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh right, and also I didn't even take into account your line

>Then, if you're dual-wielding (this I'm not sure about), the chance is boosted by dual-wield skill:
> >cdata(88, r1) += int(sqrt(sdata(166, r1))) * 3 / 2 + 1
>where you'll get an additional (sqrt(dual-wield)*1.5) to cdata-88.

Wonderful, this is good and complex. Hopefully eventually we'll have charts in this thread reminiscent of Diablo 2's attackspeed breakpoints.

[Anonymous No.]

Elona does not support transparency in character.bmp or item.bmp, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367438
y - is id of item\character, x - really depends on the number, it could be anything from id of the image an item is using to enchantments it has.

>inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, rp)
Is the value of enchantment, and
>inv(40 + cnt * 2, rp)
Is the id of enchantment. cnt is the incremental variable the loop is using in HSP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367369
Oh, it finally makes sense to me! Thank you, sir.
So 2k in DW skill gives +68 to formula, and since, as you pointed out, it really compares to simple 1-100, DW skill gives a massive hidden damage boost, comparable to other melee styles.

Stuff like that reminds me why i keep returning to this game again and again. So silly at times yet as complex as top-tier MMOs.

>>17367538
Can you recommend anything that would help reading elona code? Docs, editors that properly highlight syntax maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367538
Cool, excellent. Wow, now cnt makes a lot more sense. These are just stored pairwise in inv? id, value are just like pointers situated next to each other? That's pretty efficient. Anyway, thank you so much! This should make it easier to understand the next time we have one of these discussions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367573
I'm using notepad++ myself, it has nice search options, which are required in such massive pile of code.

About the only editor I know which can highlight HSP syntax is HSP editor itself, but it's in japanese, it's a bit of pain in the ass to install, and it lags on massive files. Like the elona source!
On the other hand, you can fuck around with code and compile the game with some *debug* functions. Like no ambushes, or making every single artifact weapon generated as living.

>>17367619
>These are just stored pairwise in inv? id, value are just like pointers situated next to each other?
Just like that, except they're not exactly pointers. Game even saves the data like that, so you could elosnack in, find a proper file\offset\id and see the values for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366449
Reminds me that having your pet ride you is actually an option. Actually trains your riding skill as well.

>>17366983
Work on getting potions of potential. Possibly by investing in magic vendors or creating them yourself through alchemy. Save your herbs for leveling the attributes instead of raising their potential.

Herbed in curaria only recovers like 1% potential to all attributes. Rare herbs restore potential to the attributes they specialize in and an almost barely noticeable amount to all others. Like the morgia eaten alone recovers like 40% potential to constitution and strength. Herbed in Morgia for example recovers 40% potential to strength and constitution and 1% to all other attributes. Blessed potions of potential recover 100% potential to all attributes except speed so you only need like 4 of those to cap potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367661
Except i need around 1 mil gold to start getting those pots reliably. I estimate that it would take 1 to 3 months to get there, kind of a waste to stay at 0 potential til then.
Or, maybe i should simply get proper shop managers and force my lovely little girl to fix me a sammich every morning instead of pleasing customers with her charm.

>>17367647
Good to know, thank you. I assume that the only way to read docs on HSP syntax is to machine translate onionsoft's site

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anyway to wake up NPCs when they're sleeping or do I have to wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367704
Either (b)ash them (-1 karma IIRC), or use a whistle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367704
use whistle, play some music, [b]ash the NPC. Dont forget that after bashing you need to interact via [i] key instead of movement, moving on bashed target will initiate attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367709
>>17367714

Thanks, didn't know about whistle

[Anonymous No.]

Well I wasn't aware that could happen. She's stuck there too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367692
Well whatever works for you given your circumstances. You know your character best and what you can accomplish. I'm guessing you're making gold from cooked goods. If not ignore the following. If you need to move your cooked goods quickly to raise quick funds for something don't be afraid to skip your pet run shop for the time being and just go straight to selling them to town vendors. You can still make a good amount of gold that way in a relatively short amount of time without waiting for your pet to sell everything off. Especially if your cooked food comes with plus bonuses from using fertilizer on your veggies and fruits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367714
>Dont forget that after bashing you need to interact via [i] key instead of movement, moving on bashed target will initiate attack.
Not true for sleeping NPCs you can talk to, you can just bump-walk them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367731
Thanks for the advice. It'll train negotiation quite a bit as well.

I wonder if i should lean fishing to maintain fertilizer stock on all farms(since i avoid dungeons for now due to low hp)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367757
While waiting for plants to grow I usually hit up dungeons and all the monsters I kill that drop meat I collect for fertilizer, to feed myself, or to cook and sell. Fishing like you said can also be a good way to get extra food which in turn can be used for fertilizer. Other players like to steal an apple or some sort of fruit tree and then plop said tree on top of the fertilizer bin. They just bash the tree to drop apples or whatever fruit over the bin to make fertilizer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367728
She's just going for a swim

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367774
>They just bash the tree to drop apples or whatever fruit over the bin to make fertilizer.

Holy fuck how did I not think of doing this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17366627
This answer is a little late, but it's based off of the height you currently have in some way.
If you're at a normal human height you'll get somewhere from 2-10 cm out of a single milk, but if you're really tall it'll scale up to match.
I don't know the formula however, but that does mean that getting an appropriate weight to match is a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367774
Stealing trees and farming dungeons is left for later. 42hp! I'll probably get a couple of karatas(if its possible to get multiple in the first place) and defender(as a farmer i get a lot of gems to rush it) first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367774
Doesn't the stack of apples stop turning into fertilizer until you've removed the latest apple-turned-into-fertilizer? I put stacks of shit onto the bin, but only one per stack ever became fertilizer until I moved it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367661
Pet ride you and you ride pet? How does that look? Trying to imagine how that looks with two humans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367839
weird. i've dumped around 10 types of rotten food on one of the compost bins. It got recycled eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367841
1: Little girl sits on your back (all fours) or shoulders (standing up)

2: You sit on little girl half your size and she still runs at 20km/h and swings a sword twice as tall as both of you combined

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367848
All on the same one without coming back in beteen? Maybe I didn't wait long enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367849
1: She mounts you from the front, being held in position by your throbbing meat lance
ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367839
I don't really do it myself as I get plenty of meat from just killing creatures in dungeons but I imagine the others just throw the excess into the 4d pocket or a container like the freezer and just dump them in the bin when they need more fertilizer. That or they take the excess and just cook and sell. That's not a bad idea though. Stealing so many apple trees that your farm also doubles as an orchard. Now if we could only use the pot for fusion to make various wines and ciders.

>>17367841
Probably something like pic.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to have my little girl poke head out of my backpack

[Anonymous No.]

>Explicitly prevented the game from connecting to the new third-party Japanese chat server meant for vanilla Elona that was set up with Noa's permission. The game will not connect if the address for that server is specified in the server.txt.
>NB: the following line was already in English:
>[Please don't make it possible to connect to noaneko.squares.net% by modification.]
So someone set up a new server for vanilla Elona, completely unrelated to Jdstroy's server? And people in Japan playing Elona+ have been connecting to it? Am I reading this right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368130
Do not want weebs ruin geimu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368130
Yes. Change makes sense. Don't really want Elona+ players to confuse vanilla Elona players about content and game mechanics since they're very different games in feel now. Doesn't effect our server though.

[Anonymous No.]

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:26103

<Harakiri>

Reusable unique artifact. Not a weapon.

Randomly generated, and has a rare-loot trigger dependent 1/30 chance of dropping from kamikaze samurai.

If used, you will commit seppuku, setting HP to 1/8 of the current value and causing bleed. All characters in sight (including unique NPCs) will then cease to be in combat mode. NPCs that were not originally hostile will no longer be hostile, and hostile NPCs will overlook you for 15-50 turns and will not have discovered you yet.

Duels will also end.

This means you can escape from combat, or heal up and stab characters in the back.

The disadvantages of using this are significant, but you can pair it with the Blood Stream attack below to deal a large amount of damage.

Be warned, however, that using the Harakiri again in sight of NPCs currently overlooking you (including pets) will proc kaisyaku, i.e. decapitation to help with the suicide.

[Anonymous No.]

Does killing <Whom dwell in the vanity> have any impact on the story? Doesn't he show up for some part of it?
I only ask because his wiki page indicates he does not respawn if you kill him, unlike pretty much every unique NPC.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368412
He move on from Vernis but still appear in party quest.
He is important to act3 according to the wiki
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Vessel_the_white_hawk

Don't look if you don't want to be spoiled.

[Anonymous No.]

Pets have a vision range of 5, right? Trying to set up custom AI after nabbing a few more spells.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368328
Only useful for Loss players, marginally perhaps in other case but I wouldn't waste a spot on this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368328
>Items harvested from crops will no longer be blessed nor cursed.
This is awesome, and actually it gives an incentive to put food farms a little everywhere on the maps as pit stops.

>tax certificate
>Taxes you incur each month will be deducted from the amount that you have pre-paid, and you will not receive any bills when there is a balance remaining.
Wow, that makes time-skipping super convenient now !

>>17368432
Yeah but i can easily think of situations where it's dangerous to add bleed, like if a teleporting/shadowstepping mob is active on the map.
Still worth a permanent slot in my inventory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368448
>This is awesome, and actually it gives an incentive to put food farms a little everywhere on the maps as pit stops.
Not sure I follow how what you said relates to the change you quoted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368448
>>17368511

I don't get how that make it a thing.
How receiving less cursed food and will change where it is optimal to install a farm?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367805
Thanks for the reply!
Well at least the scaling is based on current height so it won't take as long as I thought to make my wife into a giantess. But I didn't even think about weight, so that will be pretty annoying making sure she isn't 60 feet tall and only like 140 lbs.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone spoonfeed me a file with some cool mods and up to date? I just started and I'm too much of a retard and don't know moonrunes well enough to go around downloading resource by resource.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the easiest way to train pickpocket other than dead trees in hunting quests since I am not strong enough to steal them yet?

I have a food vendor with doomed monster summoning equipment. I don't have enough pickpocket skill to steal it so I just killed him hoping he would spawn with other equipment.
Turns out he didn't and now the monsters are worse.
Where before they stayed in the south and were slaughtered by guards and npcs he summoned a Gagu that proceeded to wipe every npc in Port Kapul before I made a stand at the fighters guild entrance. I can only take solace in the fact Raphael was among the dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368552
This guy need a 1x2 pic_# of his waifu towering over the biggest monster in elona.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368574
What kind of mods do you mean? Graphics? Music? If those are what you are looking for just poke in the pastebin for 1.69 stuff. Clear instructions and most you need to do is just drag and drop files to replace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368582
You could try stealing things in the arena after you've won a match.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368511
>>17368522
You guys never got anorexic due to eating cursed crap from your farms ?
I have. Three times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368603
I hadn't even thought of that. Will give it a shot to end this reign of terror.
Until then I am gonna try and duel him when he and the most of Port Kapul respawns to see if I can get him to drop it that way. Or hope for the miracle he is involved in an I want It quest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368598
graphics mostly. I did read it but since it says that I'll need to mess around with the files if they are not up to version 1.69. Well, I guess I will give it a go anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368607
I make it a routine to farm everything I can and warp to my house, then use wizard to identify all. If I want to stay on the farm I hold 1 and enter... There really needs to be a mass identify spell. Make it cost an arm and a leg to read, I'd love it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368618
Addendum: I also carry like a stack of 40 blessed uncurse scrolls so I don't accidentally eat a cursed curaria

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368607
I id everything.
Everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368589
I would love that, but sadly I have no artistic talent (even with spritework) and I'm not gonna pester someone who does just to fulfill my supreme giantess elona waifu fantasy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368628
I pet-ID food.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay but why isn't there a Mass Identify spell, would that be broken?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368618
>>17368628
A mass identify spell would sure change my habit of identifying absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

just started playing recently, where the fuck can I get lockpicks? I bought a gamble chest and got cucked out of my hard earned money

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368896
>I bought a gamble chest and got cucked out of my hard earned money
You cucked yourself, even if you could open the chest, the odds that you'll get your money back are ridiculously small.
You'll have to get lucky with a vendor to find a lockpick, but I think some of the early floors in the puppy cave actually spawn a lot of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368649
Because ano rarely develop horizontally.
He should add some nice feature from other version of elona.
There must be a reason most japanese play omake overhaul modify over elona+.

[Anonymous No.]

Wiki says spell enhancement caps at 2x but how much attribute value does that translates to?

It mentions the scythe of void gives 1.44x and looking at it it has 450 spell enhancement. So am I right to assume it'd cap at 1000?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369072
It caps at 2.5x actually spellpower * (1+ limit(spellpower bonus, 1,5))

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368896
I'd buy the chests even if they gave nothing, just for the lockpicking exp.
Also, you can only get the jackpots if the rare trigger is on, so don't open any in the first ten minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369123
I'd rather dread art of lockpicking instead of fucking around with random chest levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369108
Can't really understand that formula. What's the limit thing mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368913
I'm not even mad that the gamble may not be worth, I knew that was a very big possibility, I just baffled that some stupid cow sold me a locked chest.

>>17369123
well, I don't have a clue of what you are talking about but you can be darn sure that I won't be opening shit without lockpicks.

Also, as far as my base stats (str,dex, etc.) will keep rising as long as I play and sleep right? I'm a little bit too overwhelmed still by the amount of things the game throws at you at the start so it feels like it's pretty unforgiving to new players. My HP is shit and I get easily rekt by rangend stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369207
Spellpower bonus is capped at 1,5. your total spellpower is multiplied by 1+bonus, up to 2,5x
You can boost spellpower on top o that with Magic Equip special action, 1.2x bonus on top of 2,5x from equipment, resulting in total 3x boost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369209
You can get into vernis mines and let putits nom you til your shield/armor/evade stats are sufficiently trained.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369247
thanks for the tip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369247
by the way, I assume that vernis mine is that downstair on the house on vernis. The door is locked, do I just bash it open?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369273
No, they are talking about the puppy cave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369276
Not him but the mine in town is the one with all the putits, not puppy cave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369240
Ok, and at what spellpower enhance attribute value do I reach the cap for equipment bonuses? 1500?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369285
And how do I get there? tear the door down?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369288
Yes.
Your best bet for hitting that is with the Vital Flayer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369285
Acid slime mine?
If he's new he's going to hate you for this tip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369292
I don't remember. Did you accept the quest associated with it? I don't remember having to tear down the entrance.

>>17369308
This anon >>17369247 talked about letting the putits hit you. No need to go all the way to slimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369295
It's ok. I'm prepping a couple of living lightsabers and panties just for this.

Thanks for the answers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369209
after 10 minutes of playing the rare drop rat is boosted

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369292
entrance in the house next to room with trainer npc, across blacksmith. if its blocked talk to girl next door in house with stuffed toys. Its been open for me at all times though. Also, yeah, its a bad idea to go further inside without floating equipment. Its a stic locationso you could summon monsters here for training as well, they'll stay here after you leave. Pretty useful to train pets as well, especially with custom ai

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any skill that can be used by custom ai'ed pet to deal remote melee attack?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369487
Or maybe anyone got Renai, Regulus or Ether Generator pets(maybe wing snail too, not sure)? do you get distant attack in Custom AI allowed actions with them?

[Anonymous No.]

half dead form all the bleeding

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369563
The concept is great, but the fact you can't heal yourself without removing bleeding kinda makes it... Shit.
Wait, if you pair it with nether damage it could work. In fact, that could be one damn themed playthrough, bloodmancer/vampire/FUCKING ALUCARD kind of thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369579
Start Imp race character
Spam/level Regen spell.
Tame performaid bloodress.
Enjoy bloodmancer roleplay.

Too bad drain blood doesnt scale at all.

Enjoy bloodmancer-style gameplay.

[Anonymous No.]

>Damage for Shining Wave, Smash Ground, Blade Strings, Golden Storm, Rocket Fire, Nuclear Fire, and Hyper Dash special actions is now divided by the sum of PV and DV.

Badly scaling things are worse now?

[Anonymous No.]

Just got secret of kumi, kinda confused about how it works.
Does it give you a feat for every 10 levels you have (ie. 10 if you're lvl 100) once, or does it keep giving you an extra feat for every 10 levels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17367018
Non-herb'in`ed rare herbs are pretty good for potential. Used one for each stat.

>>17369981
Seems like you need to get it again for next extra feat, so 9 secrets of Kumiromi for lv100

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369994
I'm failing at fetching elona1.22 to try out the mma addon.
Would anyone know where to look?

[Anonymous No.]

I don`t get how to whip my slaves when they try to eat unapproved food. All I get is moans but (s)he still doesn't grow obedient at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw I'm still in the early game and have 3 storage houses
Can I even use the random scrolls/rods/pots/etc I find for anything important?
...Am I a hoarder?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370076
Imagine game mode where PC can hold only 20 items. That would answer your question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17369998
http://ylvania.style.coocan.jp/file/elona122.zip
Official website?

[Anonymous No.]

Feels weird going into a dungeon and not having prayer of Jure as an emergency button. I can't get through these other gods to get back to her fast enough.

>>17369968
I'm holding out hope that this is the first step in balancing them to scale reasonably, but I'm probably just fooling myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370049
Whipping actually toggles their behavior, I think.

[Anonymous No.]

> high potion of wisdom
I haven't found any of the recipes for the first high potions ... naze..

>>17370187
I think if you're not using melee, magic, or ranged+special ammo, you're intended to have a bad time. I feel that special actions are supposed to be a good and proper way to play the game, but they keep getting worse. I thought, for instance, golden storm couldn't get worse. What's next, atomic launcher damage gets divided by (enemy's will)^2 ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370260
I've only ever seen high potion recipes on the souvenir vendors like in Larna, after investing.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, "nuclear fire" means same as atomic launcher damage. Are you not supposed to use these items? Why not delete?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370260
Yeah it seems that way. Heck I'd be happy if they were made to at least have rare instances of relevance after early game. Heck I wouldn't even mind having things like shining wave be powerful but take you straight to very tired when used.
All these actions seem really fun for rp but just aren't worth the effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370425
Would be nice if some special actions consumed % amount of stamina, and then scaled in damage along the amount of stamina consumed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370480
Could easily be modded in, if there's enough support and someone hooked me up with the source code.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370527
Source in HSP is in your download, good luck

Also no reason to mod anything unless you're going to start your own flavor of Elona and keep it updated

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370547
Welp, the edit's probably like 2-5 lines of code.
While making my own flavor seems like fun, I thought maybe I could just get it into Custom as an optional thing.
Their pet ai thing changes stuff drastically, so this could also fit in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370557
I like how you think there's some specific function governing special action damage for all special actions. That would be the case if the original code was written with other developers in mind. For instance, here's the damage for the atomic launcher in E+Custom 1.69.3 :

dmg = 1000 + (sdata(176, 0) + 50) / 5 * limit(sdata(175, 0) + 50, 50, 1000) + sdata(189, 0) / 40 * sdata(189, 0) - prot * (prot / 20 + rnd(prot / 20 + 2))
if ( dmg < 1000 ) {
dmg = 1000
}
dmghp tc, dmg, cc

This is part of one big ol main loop function. I don't know why anyone would smart off and say oh I'm sure it's just 2-5 lines without actually reading the code.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370591
Fair enough, wasn't trying to sound smug, my bad if it came out that way.
I just assumed it had a data area that stored the parameters (it does have this, from what I've seen), and one unified function for activating the skills.
It's probably possible to make a script that searches for all the special actions and adds the modifier for stamina, but yeah, it'd have to be maintained for every version, and would probably be hard to just integrate into custom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370619
It did, but probably only to me, so I'm sorry for countering with a lot of aggression. Full disclosure: Open your source.hsp file. Search "if ( _switch_val == 781 | _switch_sw ) {" or "shot the nuclear" to see what I mean. Many of the checks are (or appear to be) sort of jammed into a big main loop. "_switch_val" is engendered by this:

_switch_val = animeid
if ( 0 ) {
_switch_sw++
}

(Source: 1.69.3 custom) and if you read earlier for animeid it makes even less sense. Anyone who can parse this without studying it I fully believe is on another level, honestly.

It's really not unified. If anyone took 5 months to rewrite a somewhat recent version of E+ or custom to be categorized and to use actual well-named and documented functions, they'd be a hero on the level of Pheidippides.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370651
No problem, I guess it did sound kinda smug, even if it wasn't intended.
I'm just somewhat used to dealing with shit code (it was kind of my job for a while), but Elona's codebase is way worse than what I had to deal with, now that I look at it.

Also, even if someone did rewrite it all it'd do is cause a split, or in the worst case just get ignored to death, since I doubt the dev team would use it.
A lot of effort for a very low chance of actually doing anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370679
Agreed, and whoever worked on it would die of mind damage, becoming a timeless wraith who haunts indie game development studios and basement programmers with warnings and curses

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370686
Aye.
If anything, I'm surprised the dev team's getting anything done with the source code in this state.

Or is what we have just something we got from a decompiler?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17368328
>Roran (male)
What did Ano mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370718
>Or is what we have just something we got from a decompiler?
This question keeps bugging me since i took a first glimpse at the source code.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370718
I'm told the original developer released the source code to vanilla Elona to those who asked, but as I am not one of the ones who asked, I can't say for 100%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370772
Dont think that source allows free redistribution with the game, if i recall correctly this is the reason why its not uploaded on any of the opensource code dumps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370787
Not sure, I wasn't a recipient. Never saw the original.

More to the other point, why do we keep getting bad special actions? We have so many cool options that we're being inundated with, but they all scale very badly. The blood stream is a step in the right direction. Releasing Gem at the same time as a damaging special action that uses non-damaging stats (will, con) and giving it to a couple npcs that needed help, while using it as an excuse to add a RORAN BUFF NPC (excellent, super cool A+, bound in blood is great), all of this together is great. But why make it scale badly? It's so strange.

[Anonymous No.]

I forgot my gene machine in town, what's the quickest way to get a new one so I can put cooking on my little girl? There's a way quicker than just starting over right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370816
Little sister Lv30 quest 5-10 times

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>>17370771
What we have is indeed the code from the decompiler. It was even worse before: older version of it, instead of giving names to variables, gave numbers, so you'd be trying to read var_522 doing gosub *label_1843 to change var_39(var_778, 0) (I can't recall exact numbers, but you get the idea).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370824
Haha wow. All this time I thought the developer was taking classes in ASM and figured this was legible. Thanks for the insight! Were you one of the ones who had to go through and rename things? Sounds awful, how are you alive?

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>>17370824
Oh, dang, so someone found out what most of the variables did manually?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370830
>Were you one of the ones who had to go through and rename things
Naaaah, it's a work of an updated decompiler. I'm not touching this steaming pile of code besides reading it.
>>17370831
Pretty much.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if Ano/Noa would share the source with Custom team if asked nicely

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370863
They probably asked.
I doubt they would have worked with the decompiler output if they didn't have to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370873
Fair enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17370591
It's really a miracle that this game works at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371136
Yeah, I see questions like "how come meteor makes graphical glitches on the text boxes" and I'm thinking "because instead of calling functions and manipulating offsets, the developers and modders actually have to invoke the devil to get the game to run"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371209
I'm really impressed how the meteor glitching stays on the text when you pull up the log.
Like it's saving the log as an image or something.

[Anonymous No.]

So what am I supposed to do with those scrolls nowadays? Its too easy to give all skills to pets now, and you can even reset ini after inserting high level genes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371239
It supposedly saves the log in some kind of buffer as an image, yeah. Welcome to 90's coding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371252
Artifact fusion dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371136
It's common problem with most indie games, especially if they're made on free engines with custom languages.
t. former BYOND game "developer"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371266
Oh! Thank you, i totally forgot about this feature.

For some reason I've never used it, too many perfect miracle artifacts to bother with this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371282
What if I told you those artifacts could be more perfect?

>>17371270
>BYOND
Jesus christ you have my sympathies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371299
>What if I told you those artifacts could be more perfect?
Too many means i constantly got better one which looked perfect, then the next one was even more perfect. Well, you know how it goes.

[Anonymous No.]

Superb means I'm at max potential right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371701
No, superb only means you're at 200%+ potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371701
No.
Superb is anywhere from 200% to 400%, with 400% being the actual maximum.
I don't recall if there's any way to see the actual value without using Elosnack to peek at them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371701
>>17371723
Yacatect glasses gained from killing an NPC in act 3 will allow you to see attribute potentials along with bonuses. Since superb potential starts at 200 it's best to still keep drinking those blessed potions of potential after seeing superb. I'll probably just need 2 in my case to reach 400.

[Anonymous No.]

Can`t decide whether this xbow is fucking fantastic or a pure failure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371759
Nice for bringing things in for the rest of your party to murderize.
Not so great if you were trying to stay at range.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371773
I guess could give it to golden bell with custom AI routine
player range < 3 move away
enemy range = 1 vanish
enemy range > 5 move forward
enemy range > 1 attack ranged


and use it for golden bell'ing targets

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371754
Clear mind helps with polearm? Also holy shit you're playing loss mode? Probably the furthest person I've seen in that mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371806
What happens if a pet bell vanishes?
Do they even keep the ability?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371815
>What happens if a pet bell vanishes?
>Do they even keep the ability?

Not sure what happens to non-leashed golden bell, but leashed kind of simply teleports randomly. It keeps the ability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371814
Was using clear mind and attribute earlier on with martial arts to deal with an accursed crab and its ability to draw enemies to it and in turn to me. Wanted to defeat it quickly before things got really bad. While clear mind benefits martial arts more I suppose the perception increase it gives can at least help in getting crits with weapons as well.

[Anonymous No.]

Does Noyel holy well have infinite charges storage? Basically if I don't touch it for 10 years ingame would it accumulate 60 extra quaffs?
Are charges depleted when you use empty bottles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371870
It only ever holds one charge.

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>>17371879
So basically make a round trip every 2 months there? Dang, there goes my hopes of just hitting the well every once in a while and chugging like an addict.
Do you happen to know if empty bottles deplete the charge?

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>>17371839
Accursed crab? Also what is your actual class before you renamed it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371909
Empty bottles deplete the charge just like they do for any other well.
I don't even think the Noyel well makes them any better either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371879
I'm pretty it holds more than one, I routinely go to the Holy Well annually just to quaff in one burst and get drinking events all the same.

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good god for a noob?
I'm leaning towards kumiromi, cause the seed granting/cute fairy seem useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371933
Opatos/Jure if you want to focus on close range.
Izapalt/Jure if you're going into magic.
Kumi is still good though, if you go deep into crafting, or use stamina a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371933
Opatos's Heavy duty-golden knight and Jure's survival mode-defender are good pet to have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371910
Went with the predator class. The accursed crab is this:

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Death_maneki

It ranks up there in enemies I don't like to see. Rumors around the campfire with other drunk adventurers talk of a Death Maneki joining the performaids to become the hidden 6th member.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Search?query=performaids

Such tales are nightmare fuel but such a thing could never happen...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371933
Kumiromi(early farming + magical plants is the almost gamebreaking combo), Yacatect (free platinum is always welcome early). Combat pets are somewhat nice but not really important. Jure's pet is great for permadeath modes, Itzpalt 's for ranged support. Golden knight is nice but with good healthy veggies from your own farm your little girl will be just as strong.

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>>17371978
Your little girl isn't going to carry that altar for you until long after it would have been relevant.
Nor the cooler box full of big daddy corpses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371991
Actually I think most pets won't take furniture items at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371991
you can get golden knight by converting to Opatos after Kumiromi, with gem seeds you'll get shitton of crap to donate for Opatos, then convert back after getting reward.
For noob, push-to-win skill at lv30 gardening is much better than crafty usage of high carried weight limit.

Depends on a playstyle anyway.

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>>17372022
I'd actually argue that having a push-to-win that scales poorly is a bad thing for a noob, since they're less likely to know to (and know how to) keep a second offensive method trained at the same time.
Keep relying on it and you'll hit a wall where it simply doesn't work anymore but you don't have anything else trained.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait altars aren't precious. I can pass on an altar to my heir?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372038
Yeah probably.
You do have to make a gene while holding it and everything else you want to pass on, however.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372042
That's no problem, I just didn't think about it before. Here you go, kid, good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372033
It will happen very very late. He wont be a noob at this point, and its a bad damage _scaling_, means it doesnt happen overnight. Its a massive, almost cheating boost for early game anyway.

>>17372038
Yes you can, dont forget to turn it into paper or use some flying scrolls first, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371991
The corpsellection goes in the 4d pocket.
They stay a little warm, just right for a quickie.
This is a strong choice for the st pet

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372055
I'm level 60 now and still continue to forget that 4D Pocket exists.

[Anonymous No.]

Ehecatal is smiling on my tourist.
Never even seen a rod of wishing before and now I found one in a level 6 dungeon AND got one for payday on the 15th.
Not to mention the 7 lucky days I got in less than a year my first year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372060
Forgetting about your pael and gwen lukewarm onaholle
You disappoint me oniichan~!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372055
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372099
Who is a servant with long marvellous blond hair, wrapped in blue like the most regal gift, and gifted by god himself with a bosom wide enough for all that burden you?

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>>17372049
>It will happen very very late. He wont be a noob at this point, and its a bad damage _scaling_, means it doesnt happen overnight. Its a massive, almost cheating boost for early game anyway.
I'm at around 130 gardening and Violent Garden has ceased to be viable against level 120ish panic quests. It's easily enough to get you through Act 1, but I can't see it carrying you through Act 2. Certainly not against the bosses.
And if he does fail to set up a secondary method, he'll basically be grinding from scratch which is boring as sin and causes burnout and dropping the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372120
Still good enough to clear the trash?

[Anonymous No.]

So act 2 is when violent garden gets weak? Damn I'm about to cross over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372163
Depends highly on what the trash is. Poison resist is common, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372120
Its useful vs everythingbut bosses.And vs bosses you could simply train a couple of pets if you didnt train pc. This is pure bullshit spewed with an assumption that this Elona player is literally retarded.
also, I'm at 100 gardening, level 14 and its the second game month. Ofc your garden will be shitty for act 2 if you didnt invest enough in your one and only skill.
that being said,
>>17372114
Sounds like a stack of inferior material scrolls, blue-skirted little girl and all-forgiving Kumiromi's trap chest.
>>17372163
It deals around 800-1k damage at this level. If you focus on gardening it easily keeps up with non-boosted mobs, but requires nightmare vs poison-resistant shit, a major downside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372183
>requires nightmare vs poison-resistant shit, a major downside.
You know since it's AoE you'd be better off just casting it twice instead of wasting time Nightmare-ing everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372183
>This is pure bullshit spewed with an assumption that this Elona player is literally retarded.
It's a newbie who is decently likely to not know any better. There's no in-game indication that their "kill everything" button isn't reliable later on or that they need a backup to transition to.

>also, I'm at 100 gardening, level 14 and its the second game month.
'Grats, but you're also not a newbie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371950
>>17371955
>>17371978
Apart from Kumi/Wealth/Speed gods, the others seem kinda useless, at least from what I've managed to skim from the wiki?
Are their passive bonuses weapons that good, or the pets?

[Anonymous No.]

what the heck, I can't even equip my starting weapon because it's too heavy. what do I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372213
Welcome to Fairy, enjoy your stay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372208
I just go for every god one at a time to get their gifts.
Once I have the full collection I'll settle with one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17371970
Yeah. Such a terrifying creature can't possibly exist... right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372213
Become the Fairy Monk

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372216
I'm just fucked forever? can't I somehow increase my equip load? How the fuck will I kill stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372079
I'm not sure how I feel about what you're implying with the corpses.

As far as >>17372169 this whole deal, I really wish there was some way to make special actions train like spells. Or some kind of "Special" skill you can learn that acts like Tactics or Marksman. Christ that'd be hard to code I bet. There are so many cool and flavorful ways to play early/early-midgame that don't translate at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372217
Fair enough, I guess I'll go with kumi since I recently got a farm going, then switch to something else eventually.
Is switching to jure using the jure festival a good idea, or are there some strings attached?
Not having 10k turns of punishment seems awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372197
Stamina, though. But i' personally' use it purely as a support for my pets. Kill all the trash so that they could focus on beefy targets instead.
>>17372197
You are assuming that newbie will get past act2 while staying completely ignorant. A doubtful assumption.
>>17372208
Yep thats right. But kumi is only good if you are gonna actully farm a lot, without this its wasted. Lulwy's pet is amazing, especially later in the game. And speed boost is really useful at all times. Wealth is a safe choice as a first god - get all the rewards and forget about that onee-san forever, she is useless, gifts aside. Even her last reward after summoning on truce ground is useless, so get a coin, treasure, goose and forget about her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372228
Okay goddamn. You're spoiling me here, gonna add this for Crab Adventure

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372235
That's the tradeoff for Fairies. Godly DV and loads of free resistances, but you can never equip any item heavier than 1s.
This is a little easier later on nowadays since flying scrolls are common as fuck on invested magic vendors, but yeah, it'll suck until then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372241
I kinda already almost all of my skills though, mainly because I enjoy light grinding while listening to other stuff.
I guess it could be useful for training skill aptitudes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372256
I guess I will start again since this class don't seem noob friendly, I just got it because it had high charisma

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372241
>You are assuming that newbie will get past act2 while staying completely ignorant. A doubtful assumption.
No, I am doubting a newbie who relies on Violent Garden will get past Act 2 at all.
And having done the rush gardening spam violent garden playthrough myself, I can assure you that it does not need backup until the point where it's a bitch to grind from scratch, and it does not handle itself gracefully when Violent Garden starts to need backup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372235
smells like a future fairy ninja, wizardry 8 says hello

shuriken,magic,martial arts are your tools, pets are your arms.

>>17372258
Yeah plat always has its uses. Spell training too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372262
Fairy is a good first gene, I feel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372169
Not the other anon warning about the scaling of violent garden but I agree with what they're saying. Back in my day with my character Kai the OP move was shining wave and people used it to kill everything until new enemies started showing up in dungeons around Act 2 along with the new chaos fort bosses and quest bosses like the doggod. A lot of those guys ended up rerolling or quitting the game. Which is a shame because I really like reading about the adventures of other people and looking at other people's characters. I just hope violent garden isn't becoming the new shining wave meme.

Anyhow, I see a discussion similar to this happening which I don't want to see:
Anon1: I just reached Act 2 and I'm getting my ass handed to me what should I do?
Anon2: Have you tried getting AP and talking to Leold? He can increase your speed and make you stronger through bonus points, special actions, and special traits.
Anon1: Yeah but I don't have a lot of AP to spend on stuff. How do I get a lot of AP quickly?
Anon2: Monsters that scale such as the ones found in panic/challenge quests, deep enough in the void, or bosses in high level dungeons are good sources for AP.
Anon1: I've tried the void and doing higher level dungeons but I keep running out of stamina since the things showing up have a lot of HP and take awhile to kill with my violent garden.
Anon2: Don't use violent garden then. Have you leveled anything else up to use?
Anon1: Not really. I feel like everything is taking a very long time and I don't feel like I'm getting as strong as fast as I was in Act 1. Act 2 is pretty boring as I can't seem to do much in it.
Anon2: Well violent garden is strong in the beginning but you really should have been leveling something else as well so you can transition over to it once violent garden diminishes in use...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372208
Once you get to enemies that silence you every other turn prayer of Jure becomes a godsend for healing purposes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372269
You're probably in the best position to talk about game balance. Do you have any opinion on what could be done to work with special actions? Or should there just be a line of NPC advice telling you not to rely on them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372269
>>17372280
I really don't think you need to worry about it because making a VG-centric character requires a very non-standard playstyle which is extremely unlikely for any newb to pick up without also dedicating themselves to something else in the process.
Special actions are pretty goddamn obscure unless you've had a good deal of experience with Elona, in which case you should know better than to put all your eggs in one basket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372277
I learned from one of Kai's posts that holy veil is very important, I'd like to translate that to: if you aren't leveling up Holy Veil at all times, expect death.

>>17372284
Good point. It's just strange to me that there are so many things to do with your stamina that you just shouldn't bother touching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372263
Mhe thats why i initially said it depends on playstyle. Violent garden is a tool for farmers to survive. And farmers cant do shit without properly trained battle pets, since you are gonna fail too many harvest times by relying solely on your skill.

Anyway, if noob can read he'll understand all downsides after reading those posts, its enough.

tl;dr: train your pets if you focus on VG, it will stay useful as a support for pets for a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372277
At around what point does they appear?
As someone who's heavily reliant on spells, this makes me wanna piss my pants.

>>17372294
Yeah, I do. Thanks for the whole discussion, but I really don't mind grinding, so I doubt it'd fuck me up even if I did go for it.

Side note though, and this makes me feel evel more noob-ish, at what point should I move away from magic dart?
I'm level 17 now, and my magic dart is level 30, making it the most reliable and strongest spell I have (I have a decent amount of them).
Everything else is also element based, which destroys loot, so that also doesn't help me move on...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372292
Depending on where you are, like the void, holy veil will not save you as seen in some Kai posts as well. He used prayer of Jure to bail him out when silenced and surrounded by giants.

For me personally prayer of Jure is also amazing because I am going magic device route, but I can understand why most people learn actual magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372316
Silence can go through Lv1000+ Holy Veil? Christ almighty, Jure is legit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372309
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Magatama

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372309
Most reliable combo would be water bolt followed by ice or lightning bolts. Ball spells are more difficult to train. And tame a little dragon if you go mage route, it'll get great ability to amplify your damage later.
And mage should have holy veil active at all times
>>17372325

Maxed holy Veil with 2,5x spellpower bonus should be practically unbeatable.
You need 2,5x HV power vs enemy spell power to stay safe.

[Anonymous No.]

What can i use my emptied chest for?
Drop in wilderness and forget, or is there a second existence for them somehow?
A rod of change wouldn't do shit, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372345
Sell for 1 gp, earn that cash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372326
Oh, thanks, didn't know that even did anything.

>>17372336
Doesn't ice also destroy items?
Or is there a magatama for ice based attacks?
And wouldn't constantly casting holy veil get kinda dull? Not that I can even cast it, considering that I have a 4% chance on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372362
buff durations increase quite fast with spell levels, and HV is not that important for non-permadeath chars. With time you'll end up binding all buffs to hotkeys anyway.

Ice destroys potions only, lightning is completely safe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372280
Probably just a tweak in the damage equation. I'm hoping that as the story progresses and new story related bosses and dungeons show up that special actions will be look at again and have their damage equations tweaked. Having said that, tweaking special actions swings both ways as it not only benefits the player but benefits enemies as well. The game can be a whole lot more dangerous if certain tweaks happened to it. One tweak that scares me is if the enemies started stacking additional attack chance stuff or unique to enemies that once their skill levels pass a certain threshold they multiple attacks in one turn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372375
Oh, didn't know about lighting being safe.
I guess I'll start training that now, even if my 7d20 Magic dart pretty much just instakills everything...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372384
Yeah, you don't want to end up in my position. I was in Act 2 with a level 150 Magic Dart realizing that if I instead had a level 100 any elemental ball spell I'd have way more damage. I'm still recovering.


On the bright side, y'all, check out this gun! All I've wanted this whole save is a living revolver and finally, it's not bad at all.

[Anonymous No.]

For endgame Holy Veil discussion. Assuming PC got 2,5x magic power boost.
Enemies cap at 12k spellpower - casting*6
to safely overcome this at all times, you need 12*2,5 power of the holy veil. If i recall correctly HV has strength of spell level*10*(2/3), means its efectively capped vs non-magic equip enemies at 1800 spell level. Approximately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372410
So at 1800 spell level and full spell enhancement you're as good as you can get vs non magic equip? Just clarifying. Pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372416
assuming npc didnt spawn withspellpower equipment(i have no idea if it works for NPCs in the first place)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372429
If it works for player\pets, it works for npcs too. But the chance of being generated with an item that boosts spellpower is incredibly rare.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit you hit 700 replies already?!

[Anonymous No.]

what are the benefits of hardening your weapon? I did it but didn't notice any change in the stats

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372410
Huh. I have to wonder what Kai's HV level is since I know a week or 2 ago he was being silenced in the void. Seems like with all the grinding he does he would have that.

Kai, if you see this mind letting us know your spell level?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372464
Plus however many enchantment levels it has to hit and damage after dice rolls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372470
capped spellpower is more important. It seems non-fairies better to have a ready set of equipment for pre-buffing, with medium weight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17372470
>>17372494
I don't think he stacks +spellpower to benefit fully from the holy veil. IIRC he was stacking +extrameleeattack so he could get all 7 of 'em each turn.

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>>17372450
Guess ya better start making that thread OP image!

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>>17372494
Ah, so for in dumb terms there is no way to perfectly prepare for silence if you don't have capped spell power? Even with like level 2000 HV?

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>>17372531
2000 HV without +spellpower means only ~13,4k power Holy Veil, which is not enough to auto-repel everything.

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>>17372470
Nah my holy veil spell is poor compared to the levels of my other spells. Raising other skills, spell levels, and farming for stuff have not left me with a lot of time to raise it so it's mostly leveled through magic practice from the wizard NPC. Mostly have covered up my silence weakness using Jure's prayer and punching holes in things. Let that be a lesson though that if you're a wizard to spend more time leveling holy veil as the debuffs in places like the void or awakened dungeon are no joke. I would like to have leveled up holy veil more myself.

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>>17372531
All you need for cap is Vital Flayer + any 300 power (pretty much anything will do, Mag-Abyss even)

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>>17372562
Oh wow. We know his weakness!

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>>17372509
Ho ho I already finished it

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