/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Why are rape and mindbreak Touhou doujins so popular? Do the fans and artists of these doujins even like or care about the characters?

[Anonymous No.]

It is perfectly normal and healthy to want to have sex. Combining it with your fun stg hobby is just a bonus.

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>>17422623
i just disregard any touhou doujins involving men in the first place, including rinnosuke of course.

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>>17422695
Yeah, sex is fine, but what about all the rapey stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

We need more happy sex doujins.

[Anonymous No.]

You can't rape touhous they aren't real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422717
I saw this comment on a doujin the other day, thought it was pretty funny.

[Anonymous No.]

Alice is the rape 2hu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422973
Why, huh?

[Anonymous No.]

It's literally propaganda drawn by the human village's Secret History Society to try to get people to believe that the youkai are beatable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422712
it's hot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423067
They ARE beatable. No one can beat the cock, my friend.

[Anonymous No.]

I never understood the joy of those rape/abuse doujins either, why the fuck would you do such bad and horrible things to your favourite 2hus?

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>>17423139
The question I'm asking is this: if you like the characters, why do you enjoy seeing her suffer?

[Anonymous No.]

Men typically enjoy dominating women. Women typically enjoy being dominated. The intense fusion of emotions created by forced intercourse not typically demonstrated in life can be interesting to those who live in a boring, busy workplace and in turn experience the same bland emotional responses to situations over and over. Fairly typical theories on why rape is 'hot'. Nips tend to live hard working lives and so the last theory I mentioned is especially prevalent.

Curious why you ask here though. Especially when it's obvious they care about the characters to some degree, otherwise they would draw KanColle instead. Makes me think you want an argument from a controversial topic that will have no outcome when discussed. For that, sage.

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>>17423240
You can dominate somebody without hurting their feelings, and isn't intense happiness more appealing then intense fear and sadness?

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>>17423150
No one can beat the youkai cock yeah

[Anonymous No.]

Japs are repressed psychopaths, news at eleven.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh god that one doujin where sakuya makes baby for remi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423363
Says the 4channer.

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>>17423367
I like to think that during the regular 9 months timeskip she takes during pregnancy, she's fully conscious and diligently raising her baby. Adds to just how insanely devoted she is to Remi

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>>17423367
>>17423595
...Did futa Remi impregnate Sakuya or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423367
Could I have a link or a name?

[Anonymous No.]

Because deep inside we're still fucking animals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423945
I'd say we're a little bit above that, though. Well, those of us who aren't niggers, at least. Not that you're a black person.

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>>17423168
LOL my favorite touhou is not for lewd, I only read abuse doujin about the worse touhous.

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>>17423972
Yeah, like white/arian/whatever people don't act like animals. True human nature can only be seen in times of crisis.

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>>17423169
I don't think it's that people like seeing characters suffer, but more that their dicks like the scenario. It can't be controlled.

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>>17423168
I just like rapist Kaguya raping other 2hus.

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>>17423996
Yeah, to be fair the Toybox Killer, Peter Scully, Guy Fawkes, and Ted Bundy, those guys are white. Although not to be racist or anything, but being a serial killer/rapist probably takes cunning and intelligence, not to give these sorts of people praise or anything.

>>17424001
It can be controlled though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424030
The urge can't. Masturbating can, sure. The question is why refrain? It's fiction and it feels good

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>>17422623
I will try and explain.

I love Touhou and I love Reisen but I would never hurt her. Sometimes though I like to pretend to have a rape fantasy. It's really tame though and if they get hurt its a total turn off. I know the Touhou characters are powerfu. It's just a power fantasy although I bet some of these hentai artists don't care for them that much. Think of it as sexual roleplay with your wifue. That said I don't like to much story either.

When it comes to the more intense parts I don't know what to say.

[Anonymous No.]

Those people just know they never can get a girlfriend and they are too much of a wuss to ever dominate anyone. So they have to do it in fantasy. But why they just go one step towards rape and not their original goal of a happy relationship in their fantasies, I don't know. Maybe they are so pathetic they would even get jealous of a happy couple in fiction.

[Anonymous No.]

MORE FEMDOM MORE FEMDOM MORE FEMDOM

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>>17424213
Are you really that passionate about femdom or is this post satirical?

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>>17422695
You are totally misunderstanding the question. Please have some sort of empathy.

>>17424067
You just inadvertently admitted that they and you don't care about the characters at all. People who care about these character do not disregard them as "fiction," unlike you. The best artists and writers are those who see characters as humans; as people. Touhou became popular because of love and passion. What you talk of is the death of passion itself, disregarding characters as just character designs to toy around with.

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>>17424254
This. But why would you use a picture of the guy who is fairly often the perpetrator in these rape doujins?

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>>17424301
I don't know anything about that, but I'd say it's because I don't care about some loser's interpretation of my favorite characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424311
I like your style. You're pretty good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424254
Well, I have no passion so I can't say what you said is wrong. Whatever goes I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

Because people like Touhous and people like rape.
Don't try to understand other people's fetishes. You've either got it or you don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422623
There's probably a connection between frustration in real life and fantasies about taking that frustration out on someone else. The idea of other people feeling their pain is probably appealing. On the other hand, rape fantasies probably become less appealing the moment those frustrations are resolved.

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>>17424213

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>>17424215
I was exaggerating a bit, but I wish there were more Touhou femdom doujins. Especially because it makes the fantasy more believable: An ordinary woman couldn't overpower and rape an adult man, but a youkai could.

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>>17424320
I believe in myself, that's all. OP's question is easily answered because the question answers itself. Basically, they don't care. People who imagine people suffering and crying in the dark don't care at all. So, no one should care about them either. OP's love and feelings are better spent on creating even better things than those heartless trash.

>>17424345
Yeah, you're an apathetic person. You'll only understand when you find your passion or love.

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>>17424376
She could with a gun. But yeah I know what you mean.

>>17424384
I am OP. Trust me, if I could draw, I would make Touhou doujins so vanilla they wouldn't even involve premarital sex.

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>>17424394
You can draw. You just need need an environment where you can learn how to draw. Unless you cannot physically move, you can do anything that makes you the happiest. The only thing that's impossible to do is doing nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

It's just a fantasy. Don't make such a big deal out of it.

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>>17424417
There's a lot of fantasies that someone can have that wouldn't bug me too much. I would think less of a person if I knew they had a rape fantasy. It's different.

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>>17424417
You're just a piece of talking flesh. Why should anyone care about you? Piss off.

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>>17424403
Thanks, this is a surprising amount of positivity.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.strawpoll.me/13626643

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>>17424445
"can" being the working word. My penis functions, but I dislike the comics so I don't do it.

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>>17424459
I get you, but does it function more if the characters are getting raped?

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>>17424464
If it gets too mean-spirited I go soft. Some of those artists have problems.

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>>17424434
Your welcome. I like reminding people that it's all going to be okay and seeing them happy. Touhou inspired me to pursue a lot of my talents, so I don't want to see anyone having a bad experience with it as well. Touhou should always bring people memories of a loving world that everyone loves.

[Anonymous No.]

The series grants leeway into grim subjects, that with a large cast of primarily cute girls, a large number of them even being pretty fleshed out in story and personality, makes the idea of rape and mindbreak for pleasing to the viewer.

I'd say that people who just get off to them is due to the battling nature and our deep desires for domination work out well. Some disgusting fat fuck defeating a literal god and enforcing his seed into her orifices is something that any guy with high teste and an unquenchable lust wants. This is just for the sexual part, though. What really makes me enjoy those doujins is when they ring true to the setting, characters and I guess motives. The amount of mischaracterization done on characters in order to satisfy a secondary who just wants to see a generic smiling anime girl is a behemoth in comparison. There's no real good conflicts with these fan materials, so the reward feels worthless when you read about, say, cheery Alice doing a handheld mating press with self-insert man. The shit you complain about is just the opposite effect of these doujins, catering to a demographically small people with niche tastes. If you actually cared for the characters, you'd make them experience tragedy, feel emotions of grief or genuine pain, making them resort to solutions that provide a happy or sad ending, depending on the message given. But they're doujins, so you're always going have rape, mindbreak and snuff. While at the same time we also have to deal with yurishit and a lot of baseless headcanons that would fit your vanilla tastes.

tl;dr Stop being a little bitch, based on what I've read I'll take it that a few of you are visiting from a subreddit of some sort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424484
Ok manly man enjoy your fat fucks.

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>>17424484
>Some disgusting fat fuck defeating a literal god and enforcing his seed into her orifices is something that any guy with high teste and an unquenchable lust wants.
Well not really, just look at the Straw Poll. And the 'high teste' part is you insulting people who hold opposing viewpoints because you can't think of more than one argument. Same with the 'little bitch' and 'visiting from a subreddit' comments.

And regarding the rest of this post, I'm sorry you feel that way.

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>>17424498
You didn't even read, probably just went with the tl;dr because mouthbreathers can't deal with large clunks of unedited text. Also, not an argument. If you didn't even bother taking the effort to reading the opposition you're challenging, then they have no reason to give a shit about your complaint.

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>>17424484
I'm pretty sure "any guy with high teste and an unquenchable lust" would rather have sex with real people than fap to Touhou porn

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>>17424527
Oh I did read it and only one sentence you wrote directly addressed the question OP asked. They asked "How can you enjoy seeing a character you like being raped? Do the artists even like the characters?" You said
>If you actually cared for the characters, you'd make them experience tragedy, feel emotions of grief or genuine pain, making them resort to solutions that provide a happy or sad ending, depending on the message given.
Which is an opinion I disagree with. I think those are things you can do and are certainly good things, but not the only things you ought to do. You then said
>But they're doujins
And suggested that doujins are doomed to be crap, which is just not true even when there's no accounting for taste.

The rest of your post is whining about secondaries which is irrelevant to the question at hand. Calling people who don't like what you like little bitches from reddit is a good way to ensure you get a one line reply telling you to fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

started terrible, got even worse

[Anonymous No.]

https://exhentai.org/g/1034731/4f802a4cc7/

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>>17424544
Fucking slammed.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm part of the "enjoys 2hu rape doujins" faction but I don't see the problem with caring about the characters on one hand and enjoying seeing them suffer on the other.
I think it's a similar situation like with the cute/sexy dichotomy, where there's people that can make sense of combining these two characteristics and still hold them separate (finding cute girls sexy but not wanting to stick their dick in a cute cat) and people that just see them as mutually incompatible things.
In a similar vein, there's people who can, on the one hand, really care for their favorite character, but on the other find pleasure in seeing her being degraded. To me, it's the context that makes the difference - I see the relationship between canon and doujin stories similar to the relationship between real life and stories: Every time you go down a step of "realism" or whatever you wanna call it, you drop certain aspects of a character's personality or circumstances in order to achieve something you couldn't with the restrictions placed upon you by real life / canon / etc.
So the Yuuka that ZUN describes and the Yuuka that gets raped in my favorite doujin aren't the same, in a way. Obviously the rape never happened in the canon story, and just as obviously, I'll never meet Yuuka in real life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424558
Nyuu's shit is too much.

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>>17424566
Yeah, there's a difference between the canon and fanon, but isn't the fanon a large part of Touhou? And if you repeatedly see Yuuka being raped over and over, won't that view of her leak into your opinion of canon Yuuka?

Also I'm just reposing the link so that more answer it:
http://www.strawpoll.me/13626643

[Anonymous No.]

Post your guilty pleasures
https://exhentai.org/g/909214/235b678cd1/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424606
>scat

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>>17424603
Usually, rape doujins don't have a lot of characterization going on, so there's not a lot of influence they can have on the viewer's opinion of the portrayed character. In the case of more story-heavy rape doujins, it's usually easy (at least for me) to point out where the "real" Yuuka would've acted differently (usually just, y'know, killed the guy). Good pointers for situations like these are:

- "Magical barriers" that take characters' powers away
- 2hus who aren't Cirno falling for very obvious traps
- "Noone can beat the cock"
and so on. Fairly simple to spot most of the time.

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>>17424646
>"Magical barriers" that take characters' powers away
This stuff right here takes away the "realism" that this is really happening.

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>>17424646
Yeah, it does tend to be pretty contrived stuff, but I feel like it eventually will change how you feel about the characters.

>>17424660
And contrived as it is, it's more realistic than a normal man tricking or overpowering a goddess who's been alive for centuries.

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>>17424645
You can ignore that panel.

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>>17424646
>where the "real" Yuuka would've acted differently (usually just, y'know, killed the guy).
I wish more people did this.

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>>17424660
If someone faps to rape doujins feeling like they're really happening, they're probably not quite right in the head. Even with your average porn video, most people will say fapping to those is a different experience than actually having sex themselves, and you just gotta be in a different frame of mind for it.

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>>17424681
I like the one where a guy "rapes" Flan, but then she admits she was just playing along and kills him.

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>>17424667
I think I'll ignore all of them, thanks... the whole thing is rather... niggery.

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>>17424707
Is there niggetory at work?

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>>17424707
Find me a better Seija doujin.

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>>17424692
Yeah, it's got to be something to do with how removed touhous are from real people.

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797610394660
In this study the men showed less physical arousal from sexual assault than women. Every source I'm seeing agrees that men are far less into rape than women. But that's with real women and we men all know well that it's our responsibility to make sure things stay consensual. Clearly there's something different about magical cartoon characters getting raped by faceless fat guys. I doubt many of us would be able to get it up to a well characterized and well drawn young girl getting raped by some guys.

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>>17422623
It's only draws guys, fantasies and morbos of those who draw them, don't influence or affect in nothing the real characters, so, the only thing that you need to worry is if you have the enough maturity to live without be affected by something so simple like this.

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>>17424714
Yes XD

>>17424719
>I doubt many of us would be able to get it up to a well characterized and well drawn young girl getting raped by some guys.
So why are doujins of proper character getting raped so popular? (Not that 2hus are bad, they just aren't that fleshed out.)

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>>17424681
Why is Wriggle Bugbug a macho dude?

>>17422623
Do tentacles and stuff count as rape and mindbreak?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424967
Because doujins can appeal to niche interests.
>>17424958
I wish I were mature enough to enjoy ape man shitting in byakuren's mouth.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you feel about 2hus raping other 2hus? This is without help from faceless men.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424976
That's just one of his bug friends. Yuuka has something prepared just for Wriggle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424986
Still depends on the degree of consent and how it's portrayed. I won't deny that I'm more uncomfortable when it's men doing the deed.

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>>17424976
>Do tentacles and stuff count as rape and mindbreak?
That's a silly question. Are the tentacles raping them? If so, yes. Are the girl's sanities deteriorating? If so, yes.

>>17424986
It's not as bad, probably because it feels less like a representation of something horrifying. I mean, in real life, a man raping a woman can seriously damage her body, but I feel like a woman would do less damage... eh, it's still not great seeing beloved characters in peril or committing heinous acts.

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.strawpoll.me/13627631

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424958
Nice English.

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>>17424427
No, it's not. You fantasize about happy sex, I fantasize about rape, and nothing changes either way. They're both equally harmless fantasies. The difference here is you.

Not saying that that's a point against you. I'm the same way; I think mind break is literally the single worst fetish and think less of people who like it. It's perfectly ordinary to be predisposed against people with tastes that you despise. It's called being human. Just realize it for what it is.

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>>17425016
>That's a silly question.
It's not really. The question is more about whether it feels the same for it to be some random dude vs some magical plant/octopus thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17426303
Oh. It's still not great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423823
it looks ugly anyway, so i dont recommend it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17427255
Right, haha.

[Anonymous No.]

this thread made me realize that pandain arguably loves satorin more than much more tamer artists

[Anonymous No.]

They deserve it if they're a whore.

[Anonymous No.]

What about touhous bullying touhous but not in a "fun" way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17431761
ouch

[Anonymous No.]

The thing is, if you like a character, why would you want to see her being mind-broken? Surely, her becoming a brain-dead sex slave would just take away from her personality.

Take this doujin for example: https://nhentai.net/g/190851/
It apparently stars Reimu, but by the end, she's so mind-broken that she isn't even Reimu anymore.

These people aren't Touhou fans.

[Anonymous No.]

So am I not getting an answer to >>17435588? Because I'm genuinely curious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17435588
Delete this

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>>17435735
This is a slow board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17435735
/jp/ is a slow board. You can't expect replies right away.

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>>17424394
>I would make Touhou doujins so vanilla they wouldn't even involve premarital sex.
Lewd as fuck
I bet you would even draw long lasting loving relationships with healthy bonding and dates to extravagant places, where both lovers are perfectly in tune with one another all resulting in a romantic build up to their first time having sex after getting married
and then holding hands while in the act
I made myself hard typing this

[Anonymous No.]

>>17431761
Please don't tell me she's gonna rip off that earring straight from her ears.

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>>17435806
I know you're just meming, but this is the general idea. It would be Liquid Snake and Flandre having beautiful, romantic sex after getting married, with hand holding and everything, just like you said. There would even be strong eye-contact, and Liquid would even let Flan call him by his real name, which he hates most people using.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17435752
Delete what? The doujin, or my post?

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>>17436099
Oh it was for the doujin, I share the same opinion as yours anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17425016
>in real life
Thats your problem. Stop mixing cartoons with real life, and fan works with canon. Grow up.

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>>17436104
I swear, you teach niggers how to draw and write for one second and this is what they produce.

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>>17435588
The easy answer is because that's their kink. Mindbreak/"rape, but the girl likes it" are pretty standard maledom fantasies. Given how well kindleporn with those themes sell, they're standard female fantasies too. It's ultimately a fantasy of the surrender to pleasure. For the men, they can quench their lust and show their success in mating. For the woman, they can enjoy their lust in a way they aren't culpable for. Femdom flips the energies of the lust, but the idea is the same. NTR is the fantasy of successful sexual competition: an alpha male out competing other men (the one doing the NTR) and being the mate to a coveted female (the one being NTRed). There's also a meta reasoning of having an audience/being an audience, which is why the girl always talks about the NTRed guy to the NTR guy and usually is filmed or otherwise broadcast.

The harder answer is there's a difference between liking a character as a fictional concept and liking a character as a friend. You don't want to see your friends suffer, but character drama is built upon struggle and suffering. A character that has nothing to work for or against is boring. The greater hardships one faces, the more engrossing their story. So it goes with doujins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17435806
w-who would do such a thing? i'm asking for a friend.

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>>17435806
After thinking about it for more than two seconds, I like this artist exactly because they don't write their characters like moe blobs or as if they can't figure out how to have a relationship.
https://exhentai.org/g/1034439/1f00ef51a5/

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>>17436429
>The greater hardships one faces, the more engrossing their story. So it goes with doujins.
I think you're looking at this wrong. (For the most part) hentai doujins are porn, they aren't 'art', and therefore they exist only the gratify sexual desire. A character drama is enjoyable on a fundamental level, because you see people working through their struggles and coming out stronger. The example I linked shows Reimu struggling, becoming weaker, and by the end she is nothing, she doesn't find a light at the end of the tunnel. Most of these types of doujins end the exact same way. Nobody who wants to see the characters succeed is going to enjoy these doujins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436500
Jesus fuck, my exhentai isn't working. I have so many vanilla loli doujins bookmarked... Do you think they would revoke my usership for saying 'nigger' in the comments of a gallery?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436583
I duinno.
https://dynasty-scans.com/authors/tatakai_no_kiseki

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436523
>they aren't 'art', and therefore they exist only the gratify sexual desire
You can make artful porn 3D or otherwise, but I imagine the companies that make 3D artful porn are dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436646
I'll admit that that part of my argument is subjective, but it isn't my main point

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436523
>they aren't "art"
Fuck right off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424997
this is not good...
Sauce plz

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436669
You're missing the point. And also I'm right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422623
Because they are fucking hot and satisfy my darkest sexual desires

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436729
So do you care about the characters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17435588

I tried reading that doujin, the story is so soft, its outright vanilla.

Reimu is not being tortured until she is begging for her own death, there is no blood, all the guys does is use some light mind control and have Reimu say some dirty words and they have sex, the end.

Compared to what is out there, that's baby first mind control/rape doujin tier.

>These people aren't Touhou fans.

Perhaps you think I sound like an hypocrite for saying this, but for me the "Reimu" inside the game and the "Reimu" in the doujin are two different entities.

The Reimu in the doujin can be raped, impregnated, fucked by 99 dudes at once, it does not matter, because nothing that happens with her will stain the true Reimu inside the game lore, only official works can change that Reimu.


Are you new to doujins? I am not asking this to make fun of you or anything, you sound exactly like I did years ago, when I still got angry at hardcore works with violence or rape, I get the feeling that you want to read romantic stories with touhou characters, and there is nothing wrong with that, but human sexual desire is varied as they come, sex, even sex between a happy married couple, is never free of power dynamics or fetishes, some people enjoy the feeling of dominating others, and thus touhou mind break/rape doujins are born, some people like the feeling of being dominated/being made to feel worthless, and thus femdom touhou doujins are born, others dream of being raped by touhou with big dicks, and thus futa touhou doujins are born.

>The thing is, if you like a character, why would you want to see her being mind-broken?

This is hard to explain, but most characters in doujin dont react like humans beings, one dicking, even without mind control, and the girl falls in love with her rapist forever, it frees the reader to enjoy the feeling to dominance without feeling guiltily about the character suffering, sometimes I think mind break/mind control exists simply so people can enjoy rape without the crying and suffering that comes with it.

If the characters reacted like human beings, you can believe a lot of people would dislike reading those doujins, try reading "Geiger counter 2" if you can, a little girl is raped and reacts like a normal little girl would react, is not a fun read even for people who like hardcore stuff.

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>>17436733
what the fuck do you mean, "care about the characters"? you mean do I follow the canon 2huverse and have personal stake in how all the characters do in their danmaku? they're fictional beings, I just save images of them and jerk off to them sometimes

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>>17436735
>you mean do I follow the canon 2huverse and have personal stake in how all the characters do in their danmaku?
I think most people here do. I enjoy fanworks, but the canon is the main appeal of Touhou for me.

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>>17436734
Now THIS is a response. I genuinely can't argue with most of it, these are some valid points you've made. Err, not that I'm going to start masturbating to rape hentai any time soon, though. I provided that doujin as an example because I'd just found it. The main reason I don't like it is because I see Reimu as a badass who slays gods and doesn't take shit from anybody, and this doujin is showing the exact opposite of my outlook on this particular subject to be true, which I can't help but take personal offence to. Plus, I do have some attachment to Reimu on an emotional level, and I don't like seeing representations of humans being hurt and degraded in general.

No, I'm not new to doujins, I know there are way worse things that people have drawn happening to Reimu.

Also Geiger Counter 2, holy shit. That's just too fucking real for me, even when I'm having a bad day. I sometimes feel like lolicons who don't want to see lolis suffering are a minority, but if you say that it's generally disliked, I'll take your word for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436791
>lolicons who don't want to see lolis suffering are a minority
Reporting in

[Anonymous No.]

You sound exactly like me from a few years ago. Like, word for word. Stop this at once, you impostor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436824
So where are you now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424681
>>17424997
Source please

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436791
Geiger Counter is pretty funny and unrealistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436791
>I take fanmade pornographic content depicting my favourite characters seriously
Either you are pretty immature or very new to the doujin scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436951
I take it as an insult to my ideology.

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>>17436957
So you're both immature and new to the doujin scene? There will always be some fan works and doujin made content you wont like, you have to learn to only enjoy the ones you like and ignore the rest. You cant and wont police people's fetishes. Listen to yourself, you are angry on just some masturbatory content.

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>>17436977
I'm sorry you feel that way. I think you should calm down a bit.

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>>17436933
What's funny about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17437104
facial expressions

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436733
I do and I love the canon lore.
That's why corrupting it is so temptating.
And it's also why I have a hard time finding a good rape doujin that's good but also believeable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436429
>You don't want to see your friends suffer, but character drama is built upon struggle and suffering. A character that has nothing to work for or against is boring.

But what is there to work for or against in most mindbreak doujins? They tend to end with a deep sense of finality. The character is "mindbroken," forever changed into someone who basically can't function beyond having sex, everything they were before gone and with no hope of recovery.

Also, isn't it true that doujins where the man is raped often end rather differently? Sure he may now be having sex at the whims of the girl, but he tends to be able to continue to live and function pretty normally more often than the "beyond being a sex toy she has basically died" ending seen in a lot of mindbreak stories.

Obviously there are exceptions but "man rapes woman, woman continues to live a happy, fulfilling life" doujins seem like they are a lot rarer than "woman rapes man, man continues to live a happy, fulfilling life" doujins.

I do echo the OP's desire to understand how someone can enjoy seeing a character they like genuinely suffer for no reason other than a fetish, especially since in said scenarios the character tends to lose everything about themselves that made them appealing other than their looks.

I myself could explain in depth why I am attracted to certain fetishes, so the dismissive "you're immature if you don't understand" or "you can't understand if you don't have the fetish" replies rub me the wrong way.

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>>17437347
Life is always happy go lucky
We need some struggling and pain to make the good times look even better
Touhou's innocent nature is just very temptating for people who want to corrupt it
Even ZUN is guilty of this in some his works, even though he never goes as far for the sake of ambiguity

[Anonymous No.]

>>17437379
*life isn't

[Anonymous No.]

I love mindbreak but only when it doesn't involve one of my favorite characters. It's a good thing that Kana is unpopular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17437379
But again, my point is your average mindbreak doujin doesn't really have any struggling beyond what meager resistance the victim may put up at the start. By the end there is a finality, all indications being that nothing good will happen for the character afterward, that she is effectively dead.

I just have a hard time believing mindbreak doujins are motivated by a desire to explore hardship.

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>>17437405
Basically I understand it to some degree if the person doesn't actually care about the characters and just for whatever reason enjoys the idea of breaking attractive women to their wills and removing everything but the desire for sex. But if you actually like the characters themselves then it seems like that should get in the way of enjoying seeing their mind destroyed.

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>>17437405
who cares lol, every touhou is the same boring smug bitch. get over yourself, white knight

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>>17437447
I don't even like Touhou much, just found this topic's question to be of interest regarding mindbreak doujins in general.

And since when does not liking seeing women get mindbroken equal being a "white knight"?

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>>17437655
Because they are cartoons and not real people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17437886
So its reasonable to be sexually attracted to them but not reasonable to care about them? Seems both could use the "they're cartoons" argument against them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17423240
>For that, sage.
Sage is not a downvote

[Anonymous No.]

>>17431743
i hate you

[Anonymous No.]

I like rape. Not only because of the domination aspect, but because it brings out emotions and expressions you wouldn't normally see. If you truly love someone, you gotta see the appeal and beauty of them regardless of their emotional state.
Rape is a fantasy, a harmless thought, and most rapefags acknowledge it as such. I've talked to many, many people into non-con, and most of them have argeed that while it's hot in their head, they'd never actually want this to happen to someone, by their hand or anyone else's. Hell, that's true of most nastier fetishes.

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>>17436923
Just search doujins that have both Yuuka and Wriggle in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17438067
who said sexual attraction had anything to do with reason?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439027
So you're saying that this fetish involves no sexual attraction? Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

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>>17437447
>every touhou is the same boring smug bitch
Why are you even on this board?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17437296
But in your mind, are the canon and mind-break shit separate? Also 'realistic' Touhou rape doujins would be pretty difficult to find, considering how powerful most of the cast is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17431743
source please

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439071
Try thinking about what it would mean if there were no (conscious) reasons for someone having a certain fetish. Maybe then you can figure out what I meant.

If I say "I'm sexually attracted to this, but fuck knows why.", and you try to argue "But they're cartoons!!" this is a fundamentally weaker argument than if I said "I want to protect this character, but I don't know why!" and you responded in the same way. One sentence basically says "I can jerk off to this", the other basically says "I want to interact in some fashion with this character", to which the only appropriate response is, indeed, "But they're cartoons"

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>>17439315
I see, but what if someone doesn't want to protect them so much as they don't want them to suffer for the sake of a fetish, and doesn't see why anyone who does like the characters would enjoy such a thing?

Basically I don't see myself as wanting to interact with fictional characters, I just may appreciate/like/admire them.

[Anonymous No.]

Take somthing like this: https://hitomi.la/galleries/720978.html
Flandre only suffers in this.

[Anonymous No.]

I really don't understand how someone could give a shit what happens to a character in a fan comic and/or throwaway porn comic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439393
They don't "suffer". They're cartoons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439504
I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but that's a fucking ridiculous argument. Have you really never felt bad for a fictional character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439138
>are the canon and mind-break shit separate?
Of course, why would you ever mix the two?
Rape doujins usually invole hax tier hypnosis or other shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439520
That's not my point, though. It's one thing to empathize with a character being hurt in an anime and another to empathize with someone being hurt in real life. In one case, you'd maybe turn off the TV in disgust at most, and in the other, you'd call an ambulance, offer help, etc.
That's because, for fictional characters, the word "They" in "They suffer" doesn't refer to the same kind of entity that it does when you're talking about real human beings. The point here is that, going back to >>17438067 , there's a difference in requirements for reason when you say "I care for this character and don't want her to suffer" and "I'm sexually attracted to seeing this character getting beaten up, raped, and chopped up into coarse pieces before being tossed into the garbage bin". One of these people needs to argue for some sort of existence of the character (besides being ink blotches on paper) if they want to defend the point that "the creators of these doujins don't really care about these characters" while the other doesn't really need to justify anything as long as they have a clear grasp of the distinction between fiction and reality.

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>>17439570
>One of these people needs to argue for some sort of existence of the character
The character might not be real, but the emotional impacts are real. You and I are definitely real, but we've had a way smaller emotional impact than God (but let's not start a religious debate), Santa and most popular or iconic fictional characters have had on people, who are definitely not real. In a way, fictional characters exist.

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>>17439641
Oh, absolutely. But the solution to "looking at this doujin distresses me greatly" is not "nobody should be making this kind of doujin" or for some reason thinking you can say anything about the artist's attachment to the character they portray, but simply "I shall not look at it any longer". Even though you might not be capable or wanting to think of a character in derivative works being a different entity than that character in the canon works, perhaps others can, and as such, don't even encounter the dilemma you are.

[Anonymous No.]

If rape is so bad, then what should I fap to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439687
Vanilla and snuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439693
But that's an even more unrealistic scenario for my fav 2hu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439687
straight shota

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439708
Who is it, then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439763

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439770
ah well, carry on then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439770
I don't understand, could you explain this for me?

[Anonymous No.]

Hello
Please listen to my story. I'm a fan of touhou since 2004, amateur of shmup, I find a site that offer to try the doujin game “Perfect Cherry Blossom”. At first I thought it was strange, a shmup with badly drawn little girls. But the music and patterns hooked me.
The years pass, we are in 2012 now and I’m a Touhoumaniac. My favorite on is Sakuya, a quiet and elegant maid.
Maybe i’m strange, but when i love characters, i do not like to think of sex has their respect.
But I’m a man, i spoke earlier of Sakuya, and just recently I was like "Come on, let yourself be tempted by an erotic doujin about her, it can be arousing"
I try the first one I found with Sakuya on the cover.
And there it’s begins:
The story of that doujin is that: I do not know why but Rinnosuke is with Yukari and Eirin, and theses seem to be sort of slaves subject.
Rinnosuke blackmail Sakuya by threatening Remilia, the maid has no other choice but to be raped by him. And there are comments like she’s going to broke. Oh my god it’s awful…
It's horrible ... I know, some people like this kind of stuff, but I did not think the dream world of Touhou was touched by this kind of thing
I cry, it’s a fictional character, and some could laugh by saying that characters of Touhou are poorly written and developed. But I cry.
It’s now hard for me to think about Sakuya, I always disgusting pictures coming into my head.
I feel a kind of sadness since.
Sakuya is an important part of my life is nothing will ever be the same.
And yet I know that this is just stupid doujin! But I cannot do anything about it.
All I wanted was a little blush before a slightly naughty Sakuya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439811
I know the doujin you're talking about. It's not too pleasant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439789
She's a contrarian, nothing you do will maker her love you

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>>17439880
So she has to get raped to be happy? That's pretty sad.

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>>17439903
I doubt she'd enjoy getting raped either, because she'd still be making the rapist happy, which is the opposite of what she's looking for

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439922
Would there be any way to make her happy with sex?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439924
Have a small dick and ejaculate prematurely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439924
She's truly pure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439924
I'd say no, but we don't know that much about her or even how strong her contrarian nature is
She's a mistery, the exception to the rule, the absolute impossible and that's why I love her

[Anonymous No.]

A classic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440063
This had potential but the guro was very distasteful and out of place

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440142
>the guro was very distasteful and out of place
And rape isn't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440156
There's a difference between fucking a character against her will and splitting her in half

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440174
I guess, but it's still not that nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440182
It's nice for my dick

[Anonymous No.]

What about doujins where the 2hus are the rapists?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440257
You mean like this?
https://exhentai.org/g/703559/523888ba2a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440262
I like it much better when cute girls do each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440257
Just don't let the mind break and abuse be too much. Like those Mokou and Kaguya doujins.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any doujin about someone being force-fed the Hourai Elixir? That's the most fucked-up thing ever if you think about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't group rapefags with those mental snuff dipshits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440325
>mental snuff dipshits
?

[Anonymous No.]

I think a cute girl's tears are especially cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440351
I think that moment when she finally loses all hope and collapses on the ground with a blank stare is especially powerful.

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>>17440340
Mind break. It's THE worst fetish.
It's mental death. That's what it is. The victim's mind is mashed up by dicks to the point that their original persona and self is completely gone and irrecoverable. They're gone, erased, dead.
And no mind break fans see that, neither artists nor readers. Fuckers act like it's no big deal. At least gurofags and death fetishists are honest about what they're fapping too, but these special shits can't even manage that much.
Disgusting. Absolutely god damn disgusting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440384
Does it get you hard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440390
What are you into then?
Scat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440390
>And no mind break fans see that,
Why would it even be appealing if they don't understand this simple thing? You make no sense.

>>17440392
Y-yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440390
It's one of the worst, yeah. I feel like extreme sensory deprivation + latex suit/amputation stuff is slightly worse, but that might be because of my claustrophobia.

>>17440407
If you like the 2hus, why would you want to see that happen to them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440406
Non-con, obviously.

>>17440407
That might have been the wrong way to put it. They don't acknowledge it? They won't admit to what it is they like? You know what I mean, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440419
Because it's fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Eiki-Sama will send you all to hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440422
Seeing something you like suffer is fun? You might have a screw or two loose...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440428
Uh yeah. I figured I was in good company around here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440424
I'm gonna mindbreak the judge!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440424
We'll see about that.

>>17440419
> but that might be because of my claustrophobia.
It is.

>If you like the 2hus, why would you want to see that happen to them?
How many times are you going to ask this?

[Anonymous No.]

Any good "rape and revenge" doujins?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440428
>>17440438
Think about it like this, people like to watch stuff like dramas where people lose their parents and stuff and they cry, right? It's like that sort of emotional spike, but bigger.

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>>17440453
Like where the girl gets raped then murders the rapist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17435588
damnnn

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>>17440473
Yeah, like some I Spit on Your Grave shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440460
I like the fear in her eyes. Very good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440483
This guy gets it. The emotions are probably the biggest aspect of a rape fetish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440452
>>If you like the 2hus, why would you want to see that happen to them?
>How many times are you going to ask this?
When I get an answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440527
You already got a bunch of answers, didn't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440533
Yeah but none of them were good XD

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440574
>XD

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440578
>>XD
I come from the Roblox scene, nigga. We'll fuck you up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440586
>nigga
"kudasai"

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440593
Sorry, I'll try again: "I come from the Roblox scene, black person. We'll fuck you up."

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440384
What about if they roll their eyes back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440759
I think they're hilarious. Kills the boner, but absolutely hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440768
haha dead people

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440407
>>17440421
I think I understood what he meant.
when you have a death in a doujin, that's it. your character is gone, he/she will not react, you will not see them smile cry, and I believe it's a important part on these type of stories. of course, it's just a drawing/ text and you could make some more, back to stage zero, but it's played straight.
now in mind-break is often used in doujins as an excuse to make a out-of-character situation. logically speaking a "person who just lives for the cock" is unfit to be a funtional member of society, only a few steps of a vegetative stage (excuse my stretch here), yet this is taken lightly in most of the cases. at least for me it's a situation less of "just draw another story where she is fine" and more of a "she's completely retarded, but just for an hour or 2". It (often) doesn't play it true on what implies. of course there's lots of doujins and manga who tread on this side, but it's just not that common.
the problem with all this is just a complaint about unrealistic scenarios for a fetish and the disregard with suspension of disbelief. some prefer "autentic" rape and others "No means Yes" situations

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439811
Dont worry dude, Sakuya takes care of the visitors, by offering sexual favours because she's addicted to cock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440770
>ahegao = death
Hmm...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440790
>she's addicted to cock.
No you goddamn piece of punk ass shit, unless we're talking about Remilia's cock.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440832
I would prefer if Sakuya was addicted to Remilia's bean

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440846
Her beanis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440832
Are vampire cocks barbed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17441183
Probably not. If you're making a joke, it's gone over my head because I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17440790
The hand

[Anonymous No.]

>>17436523
>>17437347

>>17436429 here, getting into an argument about art notwithstanding, a story does not need to end in triumph to be engrossing. There does not need to be a happy ending, merely an ending that fits the tale.

Even if it must, the story not being a happy ending is a matter of personal perspective. There are readers who see themselves as the hypermasculine male triumphing over the bitchy/powerful/unobtainable/perfect object of desire. The 2hu is not the protagonist in these doujins; think of them as a JAV Idol cosplaying as said 2hu. They're a fetish object, and the audience cipher owning the object of their desire in the most primal sense is their catharsis. It's a happy ending in no less than two senses of the term.

The tl;dr is this: you root for the 2hu, they root for the faceless guy.

>>17440786
But this is interesting. It is not distasteful because of the sex, but because of the loss of reason. It's taking the (somewhat) figurative concept of being fucked stupid with grave seriousness. Given the connection that one anon had between hating deprivation bond age and claustrophobia, perhaps they hate mindbreak because they fear their own wits leaving them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17441255
Claustrophobia anon here, I hate mind-break too but it's not really a personal fear of mine like being trapped in a tight space is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17441255
I sure hope I never turn into one of those people rooting for the faceless guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17441660
Amen to that.

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of rape, that Reimu tickle rape doujin now got scanned.

[Anonymous No.]

itt children "arguing" with adults

A fanwork by definition can only be made by someone that "likes or cares" about the source. This thread should have died with one reply.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17442268
Not really. They could just be in it for the money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17444225
Is this fetish really that lucrative?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17444310
Yeah, look at this: http://www.strawpoll.me/13626643/r..

[Anonymous No.]

>>17444368
But it looks like 'No' won the poll. What do you mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17444395
36% would be able to get into it, so it's not as if artists would make no money from publishing these.

[Anonymous No.]

Sometimes when I watch something, the momments I want to look up for doujin is when I want to see an event that wasn't the cannon just to satisfy my passion

like when I watch kimi no nawa and then go look up for works where they do vanilla sex, and stuff like that

do rape enthusiasts look up at some show and think "I wish she was raped in that part" so they look up for rape doujins for that?

If so do other people who enjoy rape/mind break and more sick stuff keep that sick stuff has they 'normal' at sexual stuff when thinking erotic events with characters they like?

don't that makes them pretty sick too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17444933
That's

a very interesting

point

my dear friend

thanks for sharing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17444948
pls don't bully my writting manner

[Anonymous No.]

>>17444933
It's fun so it's all good

[Anonymous No.]

>>17444933
Is this satire?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17444933
I didn't watch CCS and think at some point "I wish Sakura was putting increasingly huge things up her magically expanding ass in that scene" but I enjoyed that series of doujinshi. Ero manga has nothing whatsoever to do with scenes in a series to me. I'm not sure how I feel when the scenarios do take from that but it makes it feel more like a fanfiction remake than just porn with that character, I guess.

I do see characters in a series and want to see them be penetrated by like 20 dicks or something sometimes though. Like I saw a preview for made in abyss and I want to see that cute furry thing be covered in semen until its fur is all matted. I should probably watch it and see if it's even female.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17445521
Thanks, anon. I laughed.

[Anonymous No.]

I like to pretend that fictional characters are real, so I stick to reading books that they'd like (or at least be able to come to terms with) if they were real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17445544
What if the character is a canon pervert?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17445546
Sky's the limit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17445521
Cute furry thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17445580
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=nanachi_%28made_in_abyss%29

[Anonymous No.]

>>17445665
>cute furry thing
>It's basically just a girl with rabbit ears

[Anonymous No.]

>>17445700
What did you want? A Mimiga or Animal Crossing character or something? Or are you into full on bestiality?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17445781
All of the above, sir! (But only in hentai, real animals are scary.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17424394
Depends on how big her gun is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17445521
>I wish Sakura was putting increasingly huge things up her magically expanding ass in that scene
s-source

[Anonymous No.]

>>17445521
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17447680
https://nhentai.net/search/?q=sakura+taihen+desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17439756
There needs to be more touhou doujinshi with this

[Anonymous No.]

If you actually try playing the games you'll inevitably get stuck on one of the harder bosses and you'll learn to fucking hate that character because they always ruin your runs.

Seeing them get ravagely fucked is cathartic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457341
Since you're fapping to characters that you hate, is it called hatefapping?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422623
because i insert myself as the one getting the drugs and eternal pleasure

[Anonymous No.]

To the rapefags that try to desperately shift themselves from snuff:

Seeing actual brutality and beautifully drawn expressions to said torture is amazing. The only thing distasteful are deaths that were too soon or just a mindbreak conclusion. There's no reason for you to alienate us besides not wanting to be placed in the judgemental spotlight. Primal desires should all be loved and appreciated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17457072

[Anonymous No.]

>>17422623
Betas can't into confidence.
The only way they can feel like they'd have a chance with a woman is if the woman literally can't say "No."
To this end, they feel confident and assured of themselves, which is not something they're used to, so they automatically become aroused.

[Anonymous No.]

As a former writer, my position is simple and I think I can add to this conversation.

You can love a certain character to death, but as a writer, especially for a story that involves the darker side of humanity, it's your duty to put them through Hell. And if you want to reflect life, you can't just throw a happy ending and expect it to flow naturally. Sometimes things just do end badly and nobody deserved what happened to them. The reader is left mourning for the protagonist(s), and resenting the villains who got away with their crimes, just as how a good ending is celebrating the protagonist(s) victory through their ordeal, and celebrating the demise or defeat of the antagonist who caused that ordeal.

As a fan, you have a fondness for many, if not all of the characters. But as a writer, you have to set aside any fondness you have. They're your tools, and tools were made to be used, even if the job is very unpleasant.

In regards to the rape/mindbreak doujins, the artist is just using the character as a tool to tell a short story, that happens to involve a character being raped and abused to the point of mental breakdown. They have to sell books to an audience, and playing to your strengths is the best way to do this. I wouldn't know anything about the consumer, but if that's the demand, that's the demand.

tl;dr - Artists have to sell their books to an audience, and they can't let personal feelings about a character get in the way of their audience's demand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17463990
And tl;dr, they actually don't care about the characters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464064
The artist can care about a character a lot, but if it gets in the way of selling books to certain audiences then they're going to have problems.

At the end of the day, for an artist, it's important to remember that they're ultimately fictional.

An artist may love Sanae for instance, but if she wins the pixiv poll that the artist set up of which character to do a rape doujin about next, then he'll be expected to draw it, especially if his specialty is rape doujins.

[Anonymous No.]

Do people really make a living drawing Touhou porn? I thought ZUN only lets people publish doujinshi through a vanity press.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464099
He'll reap what he's sown.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464064
You can like a character and still enjoy seeing bad things happen to them. We've been over this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464565
I'm still not convinced. There's a difference between enjoying seeing a character work through struggles, and masturbating to the death of their identity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464631
Alright fine. You can still like a character and still enjoy masturbating to the death of their identity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464641
But if you like the character, why would you enjoy seeing the character deteriorating?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464648
Because. Why do you enjoy them being happy and succeeding?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464648
It's hot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464648
How many times will you keep asking this fucking question? You have answers for it and they've all pretty much been similar to some way. Are you just waiting for someone to be tired of it and admit you were right somehow? Is that your endgame?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464691
Just ignore him, he's obviously a retard. We've given him way too many chances at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464691
>You have answers for it and they've all pretty much been similar to some way.
None that I've seen have been particularly convincing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464704
Not what you said in >>17436791.

Do you mean nothing's been convincing as nothing's convincing you to like rape? Well no shit, nobody's trying to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464779
That wasn't me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464823
Alright. Still, what do you mean by nothing being convincing? Do you think everyone's lying about enjoying rape?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17464840
I'm 100% sure that some people like rape, don't get me wrong. I'm not convinced that they're actual fans, look at >>17437447, for example.

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>>17464859
"Actual" fans?

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>>17464865
Poor phrasing, I know. I mean caring about the characters. Put it this way: how would you feel if you daughter/younger sister/close platonic female friend suddenly got a black boyfriend?

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>>17464877
Well that's a very telling question.
Please, stop comparing Touhou characters to real people. Being a real fan doesn't mean putting Reimu on the same level as your family members.

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>>17464882
>Please, stop comparing Touhou characters to real people.
I'm not. If you could answer my question, you'd see where I'm going with this.

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>>17464893
Fine. How I'd feel would depend on said boyfriend. His personality, position, tastes, looks, etc etc etc, so many factors. Would depend on who the lady is too. Daughter's more important that close friend, for instance.

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>>17464919
Okay well I can't really do anything with that answer so I'll concede temporarily. Have a nice day, enjoy your rape hentai.

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>>17464942
Sorry. I'm not nearly racist enough to form an opinion on someone from their skin color alone.

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>>17464955
Me neither. I'll let you in on a secret: I use racism to not seem like an SJW.

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>>17464648
Because i have sociopathic traits (Actually diagnosed)
I can care about a character a lot, about it's feelings, ambitions, likes and dislikes, but at the end of the day that doesn't stop me from thinking "Oh gee, i wonder how would It feel to completely destroy this character, to see It suffer"
Why? Just because i can do It through fiction and It will never influence canon continuity

So, i may be just projecting, but i think that also applies to a lot of people that like rape, ryona and/or guro.

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>>17422623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTb-3PKR_Vg

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>>17468990
Never been diagnosed with anything. But in this moment, you are mein neger.

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>>17440390
>mind breaks
>best breaks
>Its something you get used to - a mental mind fuck can be nice

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>>17468990
>diagnosed sociopathic
>even though its no longer in the medical/psychiatric journal
>projecting
>edgy
Yeah

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I don't really understand the appeal of mindbreak doujinshi. I like rape bondage, but what's the appeal if the rapee doesn't resist? I want to see their pain.

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they deserve rape thats why okk?

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What kind of doujins will she have?
She did put her servants under mind control, basically, should put her to justice and she won't act so high and mighty anymore.

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>>17480372
She'll be like Kaguya. Pure dom, lots of mind control and break stuff with her pulling the strings, and she'll never get what's coming to her.

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>>17480707
I want one where she gets the tables turned on her somehow. Maybe with the help of "The Cock".

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>>17480372
She'll have ones like that one where Yukari gapped her womb out and used it as an onahole on some guy, or the ones where Yukari went around assaulting random guys, except she'll be pulling in guys to interview their potential as a toy. Also at least one where someone is going to fuck another touhou but she opens a door on their back and sticks out her lower half and the guy fucks her instead.

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>>17480888
Don't hold your breath. You know how long I've wanted a book like that for Kaguya?

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>>17480372
Fucking other touhous in their backdoor with her dick I hope.

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>>17481263
Your twisted fantasies will never happen to the most unrapeable 2hu, anon.

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>>17444225
>>17444310
>2017
>still thinking comiket makes money
Comiket is a loss for all but the professionals and absolute biggest independent groups aka also professionals. Kindergarten math would tell you that a subset (comiket) of a subset (individual product type) of a subset (individual fandom) of a subset (specific genre) has a virtually zero percent chance of doing anything worh nothing. Children "arguing" with adults.
Hell, the average idiot of today's /jp/ thinks 2hu is mainstream.

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>>17483908
Woah! Look out guys, this guy can do the maths.

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This thread has answered why rape doujins exist but I don't think it has answered why they overwhelm the number of vanilla ones despite most online discussions showing that they make most people uncomfortable.

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>>17489658
This. Just look at the strawpoll.

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>>17489658
Make a new thread about that?

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>>17489658
Maybe it's beause vanilla sex can be found in many more mediums, including 3DPD porn? I imagine it's pretty hard to make 3DPD rape/mindbreak, so the demand is saturated in this and a few other fictional media.