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Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1844 Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:19:22 2017 No.17649093 [Reply] [Original]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>17630447

まったく、小学生は最高だぜ!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:23:26 2017 No.17649103 Post last 10 mined words 絶句要出典該当ひねくれる一斉に非難囂囂任期満了与党衆院候補

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:23:51 2017 No.17649104 File: 350 KB, 1534x2048, 1468883601_5754491c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649093 >まったく、小学生は最高だぜ!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:27:22 2017 No.17649112 File: 16 KB, 240x240, main@2x.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649103 >まったく、小学生は最高だぜ!! >絶句 >通報 >非難囂囂

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:50:02 2017 No.17649163 File: 377 KB, 927x554, 無題.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What does たってことも一緒に mean here? I think I understand it as "We both forgot about it", but the following after it makes me feel like that interpretation is completely wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:52:01 2017 No.17649172 >>17649163 ～ってことを説明した～ってことも一緒に

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:53:15 2017 No.17649173 File: 275 KB, 1450x2048, a22f269e019d8ad2be5a9bd331eb39c4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649103 数分後繋がり尻尾天下安らぎ茶番物真似運び屋風貌厚切り

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:54:50 2017 No.17649181 >>17649173 Why do you mine nominalised verbs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:55:26 2017 No.17649184 >>17649103 動機気軽宣言書庫後回し仕業短剣蘇る弄る切ない

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:56:24 2017 No.17649189 >>17649181 I mine every word I look up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:56:57 2017 No.17649192 >>17649172 I don't really understand what you're highlighting, besides possibly meaning that they explained it together. できるだけ面白く still confuses me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:57:34 2017 No.17649194 >>17649192 the 一緒に means it was を説明した'd at the same time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 01:59:30 2017 No.17649207 File: 230 KB, 1600x1071, ba2202f3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] どういうmemeなのですか

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:00:44 2017 No.17649216 >>17649163 図書館に新刊が入るのを忘れいたって(バイトで遊べないということと)一緒に(説明した) do you need the English translation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:01:15 2017 No.17649222 >>17649207 Stop posting pretty underage girls, they go against my morals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:02:50 2017 No.17649236 >>17649103 感嘆符マドレーヌ言語道断心得る鬨の声わんさか泰然信管度が入ってるメガネ水遁

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:03:32 2017 No.17649241 File: 382 KB, 854x481, namasensei your kidney is going to explode please stop doing this to yourself.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How does Namasensei have the body of a skeleton if he drinks this much beer in just one month?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:05:49 2017 No.17649249 File: 255 KB, 600x800, 1444340803652.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649222

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:06:05 2017 No.17649250 >>17649241 the kcal in ethanol might be around 7 per gram, but there is little of it in beer. He evidently monitors the kcal of other things he eats, like sensible people should.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:06:42 2017 No.17649254 File: 312 KB, 515x852, 1494130500173.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649222 >they go against my morals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:06:48 2017 No.17649255 >>17649241 Probably not eating anything else. Not surprised if he has anemia, he kind of looks it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:07:58 2017 No.17649260 >>17649194 >>17649216 Thank you, how I regularly see 一緒に threw me off a bit. Also, できるだけ面白く here is just noting how it was a funny situation right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:16:44 2017 No.17649289 >>17649254 Nice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:20:10 2017 No.17649295 >>17649254 Whoa! That image is indecent! Who's the artist?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:22:03 2017 No.17649299 >>17649295 https://nhentai.net/g/113709/ https://nhentai.net/g/185518/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:24:09 2017 No.17649303 >>17649216 >>17649163 *図書館に新刊が入るのを忘れいたってことも(バイトで遊べないということと)一緒に(説明した) I think: I explained I forgot to take books back to the library in addition to that (being not able to play with her), as funny as possible >>17649260 above

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:33:11 2017 No.17649328 >>17649303 Thanks for clarifying. I think I have a clear picture of what it means now just from rereading it. I should really spend more time trying to figure it out myself before asking stupid questions anyways (できるだけ面白く was painfully obvious).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:53:47 2017 No.17649371 File: 73 KB, 630x1042, chino02-16-0406-12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649173 数分後尻尾繋がり安らぎ風貌チノ a so cute

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 02:55:43 2017 No.17649374 >>17649103 上回る燃焼車座炎上核燃料原子力研究所複合放射線事情通脳細胞

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 03:08:04 2017 No.17649402 >>17649374 t. north korean

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 03:13:34 2017 No.17649407 >>17649374 Someone's playing Root Double.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 03:33:09 2017 No.17649430 File: 212 KB, 978x259, 意識がないチノちゃん.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649371 >>17649173 チノちゃんめっちゃかわいいやな

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 03:41:41 2017 No.17649443 File: 412 KB, 2000x2000, 1488982852114.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649103 手招き背負い込む末代律儀爆笑出頭苦笑交互咄嗟に襟巻き

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:04:03 2017 No.17649479 >>17649430 チノの瞳が怖い

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:06:17 2017 No.17649486 >>17649103 I only mine from djt threads.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:06:30 2017 No.17649488 >>17649479 死んだので当然やで

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:08:02 2017 No.17649491 you are the one. これはすてきなえいごだとおもったよ

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:15:55 2017 No.17649503 File: 488 KB, 500x285, megumin.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649374 上回る燃焼炎上複合放射線事情通脳細胞頭のおかしな爆弾娘 >>17649491 we are the one we are the world we are the children https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AjkUyX0rVw just hypocritical

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:17:43 2017 No.17649506 weにするとうすっぺらくなるね

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:37:09 2017 No.17649542
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>>17649093
Just wanted to drop into the thread to say thanks to whoever was responsible for the automatic clipboard inserter addon and html template linked in the resource guide.
After a little bit of fucking around I am now able to play older visual novels via VM and the hooking/auto pasting process works flawlessly. Trying to get it to work on Windows 8.1 was a nightmare but this is perfect, so, um, cheers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:44:10 2017 No.17649557 What's the difference between primitives and radicals in layman terms?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:44:14 2017 No.17649558 File: 129 KB, 416x370, 1480012977301.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >洋子 >Yoko >Youko >Yanjiya >Hiroko >Namiko >Kiyoko How do we fix Japanese names?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:47:19 2017 No.17649565 >>17649558 Is it so hard to read the furigana or use the normal reading?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:54:08 2017 No.17649585 >>17649565 That's like slapping band aid onto a hole in your boat and calling it a fix.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:55:45 2017 No.17649589 >>17649585 That's a terrible analogy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 04:56:33 2017 No.17649592 >>17649558 We don't, deal with 'em.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:07:03 2017 No.17649606 File: 1.33 MB, 472x419, 1493631417170.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649093 Reminder to do your reps diligently and don't slack off for a single day in your studies, you'll surely get better. >>>/wsg/1882241

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:13:27 2017 No.17649623 I tried to guess the reading of 秀逸 by pulling similar looking kanji from memory, and those happened to be 透明 and 免許 (I memorize in compounds). Fuck this gay earth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:16:44 2017 No.17649634 >>17649623 And that's why people learn radicals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:19:48 2017 No.17649645 キングコンガめまったくくちほどにもないやつだたおしてやったぞえんきょりぶきで

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:32:57 2017 No.17649670

>>17649634
I know their radicals. According to my sources the characters 秀 and 逸 are not phonetic in any way and have never been, so I had no chance at guessing them from similar looking characters. It does occur to me now that I know both 優秀 and 淫逸 (of course I would know that) so I could have solved it on my own, probably.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:38:04 2017 No.17649677 >>17649103 >要出典 Really?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:50:46 2017 No.17649709 >>17649103 賭け歪む題材見当たる尚且つ黄昏兼用巻末掴む連載

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 05:51:16 2017 No.17649712 だれもボムでベースボールはしないピッチャーもバッターもキャッチャーもデンジャーだからだせんそうもまたそうだらう

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 06:44:47 2017 No.17649821 File: 76 KB, 381x314, 1479804604664.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649103 膣子宮恥丘卵管産卵蜜壺愛液受精孕む

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 07:24:37 2017 No.17649901 >>17649241 I remember reading a few years ago that alcoholics tend to be underweight. I guess they make up for the amount they drink by not eating much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 08:41:38 2017 No.17650064 >>17649821 Why 壺? Does that have some slang meaning?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 08:58:51 2017 No.17650101 ふたばの漫画版がないの?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:05:01 2017 No.17650114 >>17650064 蜜壺、肉壺、等。

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:08:27 2017 No.17650123 >>17650114 memeとしての 2ちゃんねるの蔑称を壺っていう言い方を聞いたことがある

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:10:51 2017 No.17650128 せや、memeって日本語でどう言う？

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:14:28 2017 No.17650140 >>17650128 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/インターネット・ミーム

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:15:00 2017 No.17650144 >>17650128 メイメイ

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:15:09 2017 No.17650145 >>17650128 >コピペ >○○用語 >スラング >語録ミームはつうじないよ

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:16:19 2017 No.17650151 >>17650145 さよか、おおきに！

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:32:07 2017 No.17650224 >>17650151 事実なら大き

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:38:17 2017 No.17650265

If Anki is mostly a tool to remind us of words and not to actually learn words, wouldn't that be a case for mining whole sentences, or putting example sentences on the front with the word?
I guess you could include example sentences on the back, but does anyone actually bother reading them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:42:49 2017 No.17650293 File: 803 B, 92x84, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sakubi lesson 12. Fix this please. >>17649093

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 09:59:40 2017 No.17650360 >>17649558 Their own government tried, twice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 10:18:08 2017 No.17650437 >>17650293 you gotta put the word lesson in quotes or people might get the wrong idea

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 10:38:52 2017 No.17650543 >>17650293 >sakubi

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 10:39:22 2017 No.17650550 >>17650360 cool story, link?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 10:47:40 2017 No.17650596 >>17650550 here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FMkgXH5xO0

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:36:13 2017 No.17650755

>>17650265

>If Anki is mostly a tool to remind us of words and not to actually learn words

What

Anyway, I only put the sentence in the front if the word has many different usages depending on the context, especially if it's not the common usage. For example having just "かかる" in the front isn't very useful, so I instead have a few different variants of "かかる in the context 「sentence with かかる in it」".

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:37:59 2017 No.17650764

>>17650755
I've seen quite a few posts that claimed that Anki is not a tool you use to "learn" words, and that's what reading is for. There was also a post in the last thread that said Anki is mostly a tool to remind us of words so that we don't forget.
That's what I was referring to.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:38:40 2017 No.17650766

Anyone know of a reliable/trustworthy (free) Japanese proxy?

I want to access the radio stations on radiko.jp but they're blocked outside of their specific regions within Japan unless you buy a premium account, and I don't know if even a premium account lets you use the service outside of Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:41:28 2017 No.17650776 >>17650766 >reliable/trustworthy (free) [...] proxy There are none.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:44:02 2017 No.17650781 >>17649606 Now I want to watch FMP again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:44:56 2017 No.17650785 >>17650781 FMP is shit.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:52:58 2017 No.17650799

>>17650764

Committing things to memory (which is what Anki exists to assist in) is part of the learning process, they're not some kind of separate and unrelated phenomena.

You discover words by reading, but you don't "learn" a word by just reading it once. You obviously learn OF words by reading, but learning the words themselves means memorizing them and their usage which is what Anki is designed for.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:55:04 2017 No.17650805

>>17650265
No it wouldn't. The front of your card should contain no more than the information which will be available to you in EVERY recall scenario, this applies to any deck you ever make in anki Japanese or otherwise. It's bad enough for the integrity of the test that the spacing algorithm itself sometimes becomes a clue, if you add an entire sentence there's no way of knowing if you'd ever recall the word without that sentence and it's context being there to help you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:55:04 2017 No.17650806 File: 197 KB, 800x548, 16482979_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anki should be renamed to "remembering the vocabulary" so people understand what it's for.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 11:58:45 2017 No.17650816

>>17650799
So you'd argue that Anki, or systems similar to SRS in general, is vital to the learning process?

>>17650805
Isn't every word you encounter within context, though? However I do agree that you could fall in the trap of remembering a sentence instead of the actual word, but couldn't you argue that the sentence itself becomes a mnemonic? Barring words with multiple meanings depending on context such as the aforementioned かかる

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:00:46 2017 No.17650818

>>17650816
If you need to recognize something in context you can block the context out and recognize it anyway.

If you memorize something with context that isn't always there you're very likely to depend on that context to help read it.

That specific context will almost never happen in the wild.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:03:11 2017 No.17650831
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>>17650776
Figures.

Can someone try going to this link for me and clicking the button in pic related? Whenever I try it, it just gives me a 404 page. I want to know if it's a problem on my end of if there's a problem with the site itself.

https://tunein.com/radio/TBS-Radio-954-s9081/

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:04:40 2017 No.17650836

>>17650816

>So you'd argue that Anki, or systems similar to SRS in general, is vital to the learning process?

No, when did I argue that? It's a powerful auxiliary tool for making the learning process easier, but not a necessity.

Think of it as the lube when you're getting fucked in the ass, the dick will eventually go in fine without it but having it helps make the process smoother and less painful.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:05:03 2017 No.17650838

>>17650818
So you are saying association with a specific context would diminish your ability to recognize and understand the word in other contexts?
What if the example sentence on the front of the card, for example, had a context that helped define the word? For example, 図書館で読んだ for the word 図書館

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:06:15 2017 No.17650845

>>17650799
>learning the words themselves means memorizing them and their usage which is what Anki is designed for.
>and their usage
That would mean having sentences on your cards giving examples of the words you're learning in use, and hardly anyone here does that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:06:27 2017 No.17650847 >>17650838 That would make it hard to recognize the card outside of that context. Most words do not have single contexts like that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:10:27 2017 No.17650866 >>17650845 I always have the sentence I mined the word from on the back. I always read it when I first see a new card.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:11:58 2017 No.17650869 >>17650845 In most cases they're the same thing anyway. But I do mine all my words and include the sentences I mined them from on the back.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:15:49 2017 No.17650884 So why is it that the radical deck linked in the guide only countains the character and English meaning? Wouldn't it be better to also learn the usual Japanese meaning right off the bat?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:16:27 2017 No.17650885 >>17650884 there is no japanese meaning

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:17:10 2017 No.17650888
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I tried translating something for the first time. r8

＞１．お姫様抱っこ
Princess carry
＞２．抱締める
Tightening hug
＞３．掻き抱く
Power embrace
＞４．抱寝
Lying-down hug
＞５．膝抱っこ
Baby on the lap
＞６．抱留める
Detainment hug
＞７．抱える
Under-arm carry
＞８．抱付く
Grafting hug
＞９．背負う
Reverse back carry
＞１０．膝を抱る
Carry the knees
＞１１．担ぐ
Shoulder carry
＞１２．抱合う
Close embrace

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:19:51 2017 No.17650899 >>17650885 On the wikipedia page they all have an associated meaning and reading, are they irrelevant?

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:22:27 2017 No.17650907
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>>17650899
Radicals have associated reading groups, but it's not something you can memorize 1:1.

The associated Japanese text on the wikipedia page about radicals are just popular names for them. Those names don't have anything to do with their "meaning", though they're equally valid if you want to go full weeb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:22:55 2017 No.17650908 >>17650888 sucks ass you ruined the motif

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:25:50 2017 No.17650920 >>17650907 Alright, thanks for the clarification.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:28:56 2017 No.17650924 >>17650908 What so my translation was too literal and there's some joke I missed?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:36:59 2017 No.17650945 >>17650924 theres no joke theres nothing witty about it you just screwed up well a couple of them completely individually and the thing as a whole suffers from how you wrote most of them which leads to a lack of continuity or meshing between them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:37:53 2017 No.17650948 >>17650907 >Those names don't have anything to do with their "meaning" They do, actually. Sometimes the names are based on a certain character in which the radical appears though instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:39:02 2017 No.17650951 >>17650948 I mean, you could say that some of them do, individually. But as a system, they're just called whatever is useful. It just happens that it's related to the meaning sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:39:17 2017 No.17650953 >>17650945 oh congruity is the word not continuity

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:44:43 2017 No.17650966

>>17650884
>So why is it that the radical deck linked in the guide only countains the character and English meaning?
Because that's all you need to know.

Some notes about that deck though. ⺍ is incorrectly listed as being a variant of the "small" (小) radical. ⺍ is actually a sort of fake radical with no meaning invented for the purpose of simplifying characters during the post-WW2 kanji reforms (e.g. 學 -> 学). Also, this is somewhat subjective, but you should change the meaning of 歯 to something like "biting" or "chewing" (in the deck it appears as "teething" which is something only babies/young animals do).

Can't remember if there are any other problems with the deck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:48:21 2017 No.17650968 >聞いた事があるようなないような言葉だった。 Not a complex sentence and I do get it, but for a moment there I had no idea what the fuck I was reading.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 12:50:20 2017 No.17650976

>>17650966
⺍ sucks. It's obviously a simplification for tons of unrelated stuff, but you can't sneak it into a kangxi radicals system without making it a variant of something else. And 小 is what it's "said" to be a variant of.

I was not observant enough to explain this in a note when I was working on the deck.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 13:30:29 2017 No.17651099
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>>17650976
>>17650976
>but you can't sneak it into a kangxi radicals system without making it a variant of something else
I don't see why you have to sneak it into the kangxi radical system in the first place. You can just include it in the deck with a note saying it isn't a really a radical but a means of simplifying characters during the kanji reforms following WW2.

Teaching people that ⺍ is a variant of 小 is a horrible idea since there is an actual variant of 小 which looks almost identical (⺌) and people will end up confusing the two if you put it in their heads that they are both just "small".

It would be best to include it with the same way of calling it that the Japanese use. In Japan, it's known as ツ because, well, pic related. It almost is ツ, just with a shorter final stroke. If you know ⺍ as ツ then you will never mix it up with ⺌ because ⺌ doesn't look like ツ and isn't written like ツ either. Anyone who is learning kanji radicals should already know kana, so this name should not be a problem.

>And 小 is what it's "said" to be a variant of.
By who?

The only place I've ever seen it noted as such is on the "List of kanji radicals by stroke count" Wikipedia page, and English Wikipedia is hopeless when it comes to radicals (Japanese Wikipedia isn't great either).

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 13:32:11 2017 No.17651106

What's the verdict on studying radicals?

I'm now seeing kanji in my reading and core deck that are too complex for my tiny brain to quickly differentiate. I've started to notice different sections of kanji naturally, but is deliberate radical study better?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 13:33:05 2017 No.17651111 >>17651106 do RTK

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 13:36:27 2017 No.17651124

>>17651106
It's good to learn them because sometimes they relate to the meaning of kanji and if you knows radicals it makes it easier to figure decipher terrible handwriting and retarded fonts. It's also handy for when you want to write a kanji you don't know into Google Translate. Knowing the radicals will let you write it correctly and thus increase the chance of Google figuring out which kanji you're trying to look up.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 13:51:13 2017 No.17651217

>>17651099
>I don't see why you have to sneak it into the kangxi radical system in the first place. You can just include it in the deck with a note saying it isn't a really a radical but a means of simplifying characters during the kanji reforms following WW2.
The deck was based specifically on the kangxi radical system, not radicals in general, right down to the numbers, and had a strict rule that any radical with a given number had the same name.

>By who?
Unicode considers it an alternative to ⺌, which is an actual variant of 小 (when it's not a simplification, like in 肖). I know, it's stupid, just like how Unicode called an "e" hentaigana an archaic "ye" hiragana for a long time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 13:58:44 2017 No.17651263 >>17651217 quite literally "CJK RADICAL SMALL TWO"

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:01:54 2017 No.17651282

>>17651217
>The deck was based specifically on the kangxi radical system, not radicals in general, right down to the numbers, and had a strict rule that any radical with a given number had the same name.
That seems to me to be putting the cart before the horse.

What's more important - teaching people the truth about radicals or orthodox adherence to a several hundred year old dictionary?

Where kangxi fails to be adequate for the modern reality of kanji, it should be ignored. It isn't some sort of infallible holy book that you will be damned to hell for not following.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:02:30 2017 No.17651284 >>17651282 No shit sherlock.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:05:31 2017 No.17651296 >>17651284 Then why make the deck the way you did, deliberately adding misinformation for the sake of sticking to the kangxi list of radicals?

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:07:40 2017 No.17651301

>>17651296
People were very upset about W*nik*ni's useless radical names at the time, especially because W*nik*ni forum members were trying to astroturf and someone was playing up the paranoia.

The deck had to avoid anything that could be used as an argument that the deck was full of made-up nonsense, even if it was slightly detrimental. This radical deck is the product of a very short, very obscure piece of cult history, not autismal ideals.

Calling ⺌ and ⺍ variants of 小 isn't """misinformation""". It's a compromise, based on an actual view on where their shapes came from. I already said myself that it was a mistake that "I was not observant enough to explain this in a note when I was working on the deck."

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:09:07 2017 No.17651303 >>17651301 >The deck had to avoid anything that could be used as an argument that the deck was full of made-up nonsense people still complained about how it wasn't a 1:1 rip of the wikipedia radicals list so lol >>/jp/thread/S16644222#p16644714

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:18:44 2017 No.17651339

>>17651301
>The deck had to avoid anything that could be used as an argument that the deck was full of made-up nonsense
By including made-up nonsense?

>This radical deck is the product of a very short, very obscure piece of cult history
That period of history might've been short, but the deck itself has been around for years and has seen several updates in that time.

>Calling ⺌ and ⺍ variants of 小 isn't """misinformation""".
Presenting something you know to be incorrect as fact is exactly what misinformation is.

>based on an actual view on where their shapes came from.
...by some unknown unicode developer.

You had the chance to break away from the made-up nonsense about radicals which plagues every other English-language resource out there, then you decided to take your deck down the Wikipedia/Wanikani/etc. route with this. I just don't get it.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:19:14 2017 No.17651340

>>17651339

Any collection of more than a hundred or so facts is going to have an oversight or two unless it's been edited for several months straight or several people were paid to work on it simultaneously. >>17650976 is basically a transparent admission of that. I have no idea why you're arguing. Eat a dick.

You're entirely free to modify the deck and redistribute it if you ~actually care about this~ and aren't just arguing for the sake of arguing. It inherits Wikipedia's license after all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:23:42 2017 No.17651352 can someone tell me what hes saying here http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=TOB-TKNVbJA&p=n#/457;458

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:25:00 2017 No.17651359

>>17651339
>Presenting something you know to be incorrect as fact is exactly what misinformation is.
except it's not objectively incorrect you're just an idiot

>...by some unknown unicode developer.
you have no idea how unicode operates

>>17651340
>Eat a dick.
not helping yourself bud

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:25:27 2017 No.17651361 >>17651340 >I have no idea why you're arguing. Eat a dick. Your deck contains a mistake and your excuse for it makes no sense. I have no idea why you're getting angry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:26:13 2017 No.17651365 >>17651361 if you couldn't follow his "excuse" (admission of guilt) then you might be literally retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:28:02 2017 No.17651373 >>17651365 I'm talking about the excuses he made since that first post.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:30:45 2017 No.17651390 Uh oh, it's Dr. Capitals and mr. lowercase again.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:31:46 2017 No.17651395

>>17651361
My deck contains something you personally find intellectually offensive and you refuse to make sense out of any explanation about the circumstances surrounding why it contains that instead of what you want it to contain. Treating ⺍ as a variant of 小 is, in fact, completely normal, because of the one traditional hanzi where it shows up, and it doesn't have a coherent meaning as a simplification in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:32:17 2017 No.17651397 >>17651390 chill bro take your crazy pills https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGUyMTSEzes

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:40:09 2017 No.17651419

>>17651395
>Treating ⺍ as a variant of 小 is, in fact, completely normal
Something "normal" is something which is commonly done. Besides a single page on Wikipedia, no other resource teaches people that ⺍ is a variant of 小. It is therefore, by definition, not normal, and you yourself admitted earlier that it is wrong and you shouldn't have done it.

Trying to have a discussion with you is impossible. You change your position on this issue with every post you make.

Anyway, it seems neither of us (nor anybody else) is getting anything out of this, and that doesn't seem likely to change if this goes on any longer, so I'm calling it a day here. I won't be making any further posts about this.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:43:04 2017 No.17651429

>>17651419
>Besides a single page on Wikipedia
Okay, so apparently you have no idea what you're trying to use to back your argument. Please look at the ⼩ radical section of any han dictionary. You will find coundless characters that use ⺍ and ⺌. Dictionary indexes are, in fact, exactly what "radicals" are.

>and you yourself admitted earlier that it is wrong and you shouldn't have done it.
I said it was wrong to not explain what the deck was doing, not that it was wrong to do what the deck did.

>Trying to have a discussion with you is impossible. You change your position on this issue with every post you make.
No, I don't, you just read way too much into what I post. That's your problem, not mine.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:48:00 2017 No.17651443
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>>17651429
>Please look at the ⼩ radical section of any han dictionary. You will find coundless characters that use ⺍ and ⺌. Dictionary indexes are, in fact, exactly what "radicals" are.
KKLC, which was accuracy-checked by a list of scholars in its preface.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:52:17 2017 No.17651459 >>17651443 Were you trying to prove him wrong? I may not be in parentheses, but check out teh examples.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:53:45 2017 No.17651466 >>17651459 He's turning an omission I made into an error, and I'm personally offended.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:54:43 2017 No.17651471 File: 77 KB, 599x719, 1440854094378.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17651459 >>17651466 Nevermind, I'm retarded. No, >>17651443 and >>17651429 are both me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 14:55:42 2017 No.17651477 >>17651471 Oh sorry, then you were just proving your point. I'm retarded too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:13:15 2017 No.17651533 >>17651471 >>17651477 hahaha fucking retards

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:14:41 2017 No.17651539 >>17651533 Well what does it tell about you if you just got proven wrong by a retard? Let it sink in, my good man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:19:22 2017 No.17651551 >>17651539 ? ? ? that was my first time positing ITT

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:19:51 2017 No.17651553 >>17651551 yeah that was weird just pretend he was making fun of a third person

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:20:29 2017 No.17651556 >>17651466 >and I'm personally offended Get over yourself, bro. Here isn't the place for egos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:21:10 2017 No.17651557 >>17651556 thanks mister important-enough-to-give-advice

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:28:30 2017 No.17651588 >>17650293 Should be fixed. Fixed it the other time the same mistake is made too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:36:14 2017 No.17651623 The first two volumes of One Punch Man (commercial version) don't cost any money to read online right now. It has full furigana. http://sokuyomi.jp/product/mrse_wanpanman/CO/1/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:46:37 2017 No.17651640 >>17651623 It never costed any money though? http://www.tonarinoyj.jp/manga/onepanman/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:47:45 2017 No.17651644 >>17651640 I don't know anything OPM, I just thought it was cool. Thanks for the correction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:48:57 2017 No.17651648 File: 72 KB, 640x879, Smug_4c6167_5762907.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17651553 さすがretard ｔｂｈ

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:55:07 2017 No.17651671
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>>17649103
I don't mine words, just read and words just stick after seeing them a few times.
Right now I'm reading 千恋＊万花 and what I remembered the most is something like
汚れを祓う, 幽霊 and maybe 呪詛
Am I doing it wrong?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:55:45 2017 No.17651675 >>17651671 That thing you happen to be doing, if and when it works, is the best way to learn a language.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:56:40 2017 No.17651677
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Is the dog's owner introducing the middle product as his new product and then asking her to pick her favourite? I'm trying to think of a way to link it as a coherent sentrnce, but it's reading to me as two separate sentences.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:57:50 2017 No.17651683 >>17651677 What is ムーコ in this context? That can affect the grammar of the sentence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:58:28 2017 No.17651686 >>17651677 Between these new products...

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:58:43 2017 No.17651687 File: 624 KB, 1280x720, Muco-3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17651683 ムーコ is the dog.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 15:59:31 2017 No.17651690 >>17651687 It's what >>17651686 said, then. Specifically, the どれ・どの words can change the nuance of general conditions like たら to do this, depending on whether it's logically possible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 16:01:13 2017 No.17651694 File: 269 KB, 680x415, 1388577367020.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17651686 Damn, I forgot 中 could be between. I was thinking of it as なか since he had his hand on the object in the middle. Thank you to you and >>17651690!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 16:21:36 2017 No.17651764 おはようおにいちゃんれんきゅうおわっちゃった

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 16:32:32 2017 No.17651795 >>17650836 Finally, an analogy I can relate to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 16:35:18 2017 No.17651801 Why do manga have +es/ナs when characters laugh?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 16:36:37 2017 No.17651806 >>17651623 Thanks. Guess I'll take a break from reading news

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 16:36:55 2017 No.17651808 >>17651801 I genuinely have no idea what you are trying to say.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 16:46:51 2017 No.17651830 >>17649207 Keep posting pretty underage girls, they make my dick hard

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 17:27:28 2017 No.17651965
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>reading manga
>there are furigana readings for all the kanji I already know
>there are no furigana over any of the kanji I don't know

What the fuck is wrong with Japanese people? Why do they do this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 17:31:58 2017 No.17651980 I can't work up an interest in any of the LNs I've tried reading for study material, and looking up vocab from video games is just exhausting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 17:33:31 2017 No.17651986 File: 288 KB, 904x1205, premium_quality.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17651808

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 17:35:58 2017 No.17651997 >>17651980 Read VNs then. There are even ones with gameplay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 17:41:14 2017 No.17652011 >>17651965 they learn different Kanji at different times in their lives, hence why it happens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 17:44:38 2017 No.17652016 >>17652011 So do they just learn all the random kanji that never show up first and then learn all the kanji they actually need not until later or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 18:08:04 2017 No.17652081 >>17651997 I'm seeing Baldr Sky recommended on a few different "VNs for beginners" charts. It looks interesting, but is it really a safe bet?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 18:14:36 2017 No.17652100 ほら、犬のように跪けば見えますよ >Here, kneel like a dog and you'll get a look.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 18:17:04 2017 No.17652105 >>17651694 keep in mind it is still なか

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 18:21:48 2017 No.17652117 File: 104 KB, 743x206, メアリイ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Guys I want to marry メアリー. Do you think she moved back to Arizona after her time in Japan? She'd be pretty close by if so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 18:24:49 2017 No.17652131 >>17652117 She fucked Takeshi already dude it's too late

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 18:29:24 2017 No.17652146 >>17652081 It's my favourite VN of all time

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 18:49:11 2017 No.17652227 File: 308 KB, 835x707, stood up.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17652131 I want to believe. Don't tell me they get back together in the sequel?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 19:11:40 2017 No.17652294 >>17652146 Downloading now. Do you know if it works with ITHVNR from the guide?

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 19:12:21 2017 No.17652298

>>17652081
What do you mean, "safe"? The worst case is you don't like it, if so then you can just stop and pick something else.
I will warn you that it requires some significant suspension of disbelief, but from the anime style and hacking theme you ought to have guessed that from the moment you saw the cover.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 19:24:11 2017 No.17652332
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I would like to ask those of you that are further down in their studies for advice.
Recently I've been falling behind on my reviews in anki or rather they progressively start to get more and more tedious. The amount of time it takes me to complete them laves me with almost no spare time to engage with real Japanese. Combine that with my low retention rate makes me consider deleting my current decks and starting over with a new sentence based one like advocated by that AJATT guy.
Nevertheless I feel that doing that sort of drastic thing would be a step backwards and I would forget the much of the things I learned by now. That brings me to the main point I wanted to ask about.
How do you make successful use of SRS when learning Japanese and how do you keep yourself form being overrun with reviews?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 19:26:38 2017 No.17652342 >>17652332 Radical freedom

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 19:38:56 2017 No.17652390 >>17652342 What's that supposed to mean? Dropping anki altogether? I would probably do it if I weren't that I know from experience it's hard for me to memorize vocabulary just by reading.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 19:39:50 2017 No.17652396

>>17652332
>How do you make successful use of SRS when learning Japanese
I don't give up and answer truthfullly
>and how do you keep yourself form being overrun with reviews?
I only do 20 new a day, changed my starting ease to 200%, installed the timeout addon and set it to ten seconds.
You're spending a long time per card and its not helpful.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 19:41:51 2017 No.17652403

>>17652332
Don't be too harsh on your answers in anki. You will have to read any given word multiple times in the real world to learn how to recall it properly anyway, anki is just there to kickstart a bare minimum foundation for you to build on. I'd say even if it takes you 15 seconds to recall a word that's fine.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 19:55:51 2017 No.17652446
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>>17651671
Same here. I have strong verbal memory so I take advantage of it by not doing flash cards and thus probably slowing myself down, but at least I only do the compelling content.

Incidentally, would anyone like to test their verbal memory? The test I did was this:

https://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/verbal-memory

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 19:57:44 2017 No.17652455

>>17652396
>>17652403
Thank you for you answers. The reason each card takes me so long is that I type out the answer in a notepad window that I've got open next to anki. Otherwise I find it somewhat difficult to judge myself accurately whether I got the meaning right or wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:07:26 2017 No.17652479 >>17652455 Stop doing that. Honestly, I'm not sure if you are baiting.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:13:25 2017 No.17652495

>>17652332
The key for me is to do it the morning while my mind is clear, and do it on my mobile device (tablet) laying in bed which is more comfy than a chair and harder to multitask. You want it to become a routine that you simply have to do at the appointed time rather than something you can put off till whenever and dread all day. Make an active effort to finish it as quickly as you can too, like you're under a deadline.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:14:07 2017 No.17652496 >>17652446 You're good, I only got 105, but it's still 96% so I don't feel too bad about myself. Or is the site lying to make me feel good.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:22:53 2017 No.17652515

Can someone give me a straightforward explanation of how I should be learning kanji? I looked at the guide and it sounds like any method is fine but I constantly see people in here saying that by learning the kanji with RTK you aren't actually learning words and can't actually read. What's the point of RTK if you can't actually read anything after finishing it? Can someone please clearly explain how all of this is supposed to work?

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:27:06 2017 No.17652527

>>17652496
I have no idea. I had a few of my friends take it but only one scored above 100, and he got 144. He's completely bilingual, has a degree in comp sci, all the stuff.

Because I was surprised by being in the 100th percentile, I tried to search for what results people have had on this but what little I could find suggests that most score below 100, excepting some autist with 217 or something, and finally some guy with 275. I had a chance at beating that, but "cordless" and "cordlessly" came up as distinct words, and "cordlessly" finished me off because it was the end of my streak and "cordless" had come up somewhere in the beginning, so I confused them. I was shaking from the concentration from doing this test so I never repeated it. That was one take. Anyway, I only have N2 in Japanese, so laugh at me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:27:34 2017 No.17652530 >>17652515 the guide is the end result of autists fighting over correctness, not holy truth RTK is unconditionally worse than basically any other kanji resource

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:29:48 2017 No.17652538

>>17652515
"Kanji" and "vocabulary" are not the same thing. Kanji on their own aren't too useful. When they combine with other kanji, or with hiragana, etc, they gain actual meaning. That's why you either download core or learn words from reading.

Tldr kanji isn't vocab and it's only recommended to learn kanji in isolation if you're having trouble with remembering vocabulary.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:30:15 2017 No.17652539

>>17652530
I think my current plan is to learn the kanji individually using a JLPT kanji list while working through a vocab deck. Is that a reasonable approach? With just the vocab deck I don't feel like I'm learning individual characters, just compounds.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:37:40 2017 No.17652574

>>17652515
I have kind of the same question, except my KKLC has just arrived in the mail. I already know the first 50 or so entries from exposure, but for the rest I'm not sure how I should be learning the -kun and -on readings.
I've been doing what the book suggests and learning memorizing one -kun and one -on reading for each kanji I learn, but it still feels like for each kanji I come across a bunch of sentences I can't make sense of.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:38:20 2017 No.17652579

>>17652446
I took it a few times.
>36. You're currently in the top 63 percentile for this test!
then
>You scored 14. You're currently in the top 49 percentile for this test!
>You scored 39. You're currently in the top 56 percentile for this test!

Wew. Didn't have any problem learning Japanese though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:39:53 2017 No.17652585 File: 25 KB, 724x298, stats.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17652446 Shit, I didn't know my visual memory was this bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:49:31 2017 No.17652611 >>17652585 What are other people's attempts on the visual memory game? I suspect it's one single user that skewed the statistics by playing it repeatedly for fun.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:51:06 2017 No.17652620
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>>17652479
Why would I do that?
Actually typing out the back of the card is a bad habit I picked up since when I started going through Core2k/6k. I thought I would allow me to understand a word better. I know memorizing the English translation isn't something I should do but still. I dropped it for my mining deck but even then I still type out the actual word.

>>17652495
I guess my main problem is how I do my reviews and the sheer amount of them. I already try to do them early in the day since late at night by brain kind of refuses to work properly. I guess I'm myself at fault for adding almost everything I could to anki.

>>17652515
I did RTK and what people are saying about it is true. It won't teach you how to read at all. What it will do is teach you how to write and familiarize you with the characters so that you'll be able to differentiate between them. Like >>17652538 mentioned I would only recommend it if you struggle learning vocabulary and confuse even remotely similar looking characters like I did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:53:07 2017 No.17652623 File: 237 KB, 376x3449, top100.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17652611 やっぱり

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 20:57:44 2017 No.17652641 >>17652620 Just don't add new cards for a week and your reviews will become decent again.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 21:05:57 2017 No.17652659

>>17652620
Just stop writing the answers you nigger.
Holy shit, man. Are you unable to remember your answer for one second, or are you unable to compare your answer to the correct answer? Whichever it is you should qualify for autismbucks.
This will at least make the reviews take less time, I can easily do 600 in an hour and I'm hardly the fastest drone in DJT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 21:07:09 2017 No.17652662 >>17652446 I got 141. That was pretty interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 21:08:12 2017 No.17652663 >>17652620 Please tell me you're not one of those retards who introduces every new card as soon as they mine it, even if it pushes the review workload way out of their comfort zone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 21:08:32 2017 No.17652665 >>17652620 >7 hours Is anki your job

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 21:10:15 2017 No.17652673 >>17652665 This is /jp/djt/. Half of us are weeb neets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 21:13:19 2017 No.17652680 >>17652665 >>17652620 Jesus fucking Christ. I'm not even the type to moan about anki, but I would kill myself if I had to do it for that long.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 21:23:01 2017 No.17652719 >>17652446 169 I kinda fucked up

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 21:23:12 2017 No.17652720 File: 27 KB, 736x305, scores.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17652611 I guess I can't be good at everything.

Anonymous Mon Sep 18 22:28:22 2017 No.17652921

>>17652332
I did ~500 reviews today and it took me ~20 minutes. My average per card time for the last year is 4.0s. My total count is 20k cards. Your review counts aren't high at all but you take way too long doing them. Please let this stats chart be a very elaborate trick.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:34:11 2017 No.17653133 Is there a resource that exhaustively lists all the uses of て form? I keep running into uses that aren't in Tae Kim or Japanese the Manga Way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:34:36 2017 No.17653134 >>17653133 https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:40:57 2017 No.17653150 >>17653133 https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A6-573101#E5.A4.A7.E8.BE.9E.E6.9E.97.20.E7.AC.AC.E4.B8.89.E7.89.88 Really though, just read more. You'll get the hang of it quickly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 18 23:43:03 2017 No.17653154 >>17653134 >>17653150 Thanks buddies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:12:08 2017 No.17653241 >>17652446 what's your iq?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:26:55 2017 No.17653267 When should I start reading? I'm almost finished with an N5 vocab deck. What's a good book to start with?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:30:58 2017 No.17653282 >しかも、月明かりの下で毛皮に包まって寝ている娘はまだまだ年若そうなものの、恐ろしいほどの色気がある。 muh dik

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:57:45 2017 No.17653356 >>17653267 >When should I start reading? now >What's a good book to start with? Whatever you want to read. Most people like reading Yotsuba early on. I certainly did (and do).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 00:59:33 2017 No.17653365 >>17653267 No book. Just gloss over NHK Easy News

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:02:56 2017 No.17653374

>>17653267
now

Everything you're interested in. It doesn't matter if it's articles or manga or VNs or doujinshi or a mixture of all of the above. It doesn't matter if the pronunciation is laid out for you or it's easy to use dictionaries or you have to go full OCR.

You're going to find that the first few pages of literally anything are going to be hell on Earth. This is normal. Put things on hold if they feel like torture, switch to something else that you're interested in. The moment something stops being interesting, switch to something else that still seems interesting.

Remind yourself that this isn't because reading is impossible, but because you're bad enough that nothing is as compelling as it should be. Things get boring very fast when you move through them slowly or with great effort.

The #1 most important thing is to make sure that you continue to expose yourself to interesting things and that you use them as reading input. As an actual beginner at reading this is the most important thing. It has to be interesting, you have to seek interesting things out, you can't force yourself to continue X when X stops being interesting.

This stops being good advice when you graduate to intermediate, but as a beginner there's no shame in making sure that you're learning instead of grinding.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:08:27 2017 No.17653399 I'm drunk and don't feel like doing my reps.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:09:36 2017 No.17653402 >>17653241 I've only done the one on iqtest.dk back in 2013, and my score was 132. I mentally converted it to 102, which I thought was more fitting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:13:07 2017 No.17653408 >>17653399 Read something easy and fun. At least you'll be getting exposure. I no longer drink alcohol, but when I did I loved reading anything fun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:13:49 2017 No.17653411 >>17653399 すきにしろ

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:19:38 2017 No.17653431 >>17652720 I'm in the 95th percentile of visual learning, what do I do to learn this fucking language?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:37:13 2017 No.17653476 >>17653431 give up cuz that doesn't mean shit in learning a language

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:42:20 2017 No.17653483 >>17653476 fug

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:45:11 2017 No.17653486 >>17650806 Ankidrones should mine the word anki itself

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:45:32 2017 No.17653487 >>17652446 I can't get better than 80% FUCK!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:47:54 2017 No.17653491 >>17653402 Correction, it was 133. I had to rummage through my old logs. (I need to be exact, yo)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 01:49:42 2017 No.17653494 >>17653487 Don't worry, you're still going to learn Japanese. The whole bell curve in Japan has learned Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 02:02:58 2017 No.17653525 >>17653491 Your score was so high that I became curious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 02:05:27 2017 No.17653531 >>17653525 Well, I'll feel superior about that to you nerds whenever I become fluent in Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 03:03:39 2017 No.17653624 >>17649093 How stupid would it be to start with an Anki deck made from the words in the Genki books? words are words right? I read Genki before but blitz through it and forgot most of the marital/ did not understand it I was rushing

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 03:09:36 2017 No.17653633 >>17653624 If you are planning on studying Genki again, then it is a fine idea. If not, then do a Core deck instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 03:14:32 2017 No.17653642 >>17653624 Sure, why not. Actually I myself made a grammar deck at one point, with things like "Particle だけ" or "Past tense verb + ばかり" on the front and the explanation and examples on the back. Helped me a ton.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 04:32:11 2017 No.17653776 えいごでいいたいんだけど >腰痛なにエイクでつうじるの？ウエストエイク？

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 04:45:10 2017 No.17653802 I learned Kana and went on learning 15 Kanji a day with the RTK, in meantime I watch Japanese TV shows w/o subs. Am I doing it right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 04:59:24 2017 No.17653826 >>17653802 The point of RTK is to end it as fast as possible... With your system you'll finish RTK vol. 1 in 2200/15=147 days. It's rather long imo

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 04:59:29 2017 No.17653827 >>17653802 How the fuck do you expect to understand Japanese TV when you don't know any words?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 04:59:48 2017 No.17653829 >>17653802 Why not read something easy as well?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 05:00:58 2017 No.17653831 >>17653776 >ウエストエイク waist ache is close but 'back pain' is better 妹さん今腰痛のことある？

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 05:02:47 2017 No.17653837

Just started using MorphMan v4(Kaegi's fork) for my japanese Anki decks. It's really good, by I don't know how to turn on highlighting the morphemes I know/don't know. I've already tried {{morphHighlight:Expression}} and the CSS with [#type=seen] etc. but it seems not to work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 05:11:04 2017 No.17653858 >>17653826 >>17653827 >>17653829 I'm following advice of a fluent Japanese speaker https://youtu.be/62r8m3JyEwg?t=2h11m49s

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 05:12:32 2017 No.17653864
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>>17652659
>>17652663
To bad I can't get any money for being retarded. The problem is my core6k deck which I continued doing for too long and in a retarded manner. You see I'm checking myself of course for the reading of the word and the exact English translation on the back. It's probably the most stupid thing I could do but I somehow kept doing it thinking that I'm just lazy for considering to drop it and I should continue until the end since quitting is for losers.

>>17652663
I am one of them but considering how long I spent doing anki I don't get to mine much word which makes the workload for my mining deck quite manageable. Of all the deck I'm using it is the easiest and fastest to get thorough.

>>17652665
>>17652680
That day reviews took me some 2.5 hours longer than average because I've had to do leftover card from the previous day.

All things considered should delete everything apart form my mining deck? Or just simply cut the time I spend on each card? Still in core there are these example sentences that I keep reading along with the audio. Makes the card take around 10 seconds. Would it be OK to ignore them? I know that these questions might be kind of stupid and what I've been doing until now is might be insanity but I'm genuinely trying to get on the right path.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 05:29:35 2017 No.17653906 >>17653831 >いもうとは今腰痛？ I have a little back pain right now. aがあるとないとでどっちがひどいのかわからなくなった

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 05:53:36 2017 No.17653940 >>17650968 >It was a word I thought I had heard of, but hadn't. R-right? I don't get it at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:12:23 2017 No.17654061 File: 8 KB, 252x220, 0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17653906 >I have a little back pain right now. いいんです aの位置はひどくないと思うよお大事に

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:20:59 2017 No.17654077 >>17653864 Where do you get those extra stats from? Is it an additonal addon?

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:22:00 2017 No.17654082

>>17653864
>Or just simply cut the time I spend on each card?
This is the best option. No writing the answer, no thinking longer than 10-15 seconds, just fucking do it quickly and efficiently.
Anyway in a week or two reviews from the deck you have finished should drop a lot, so no reason to delete it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:33:26 2017 No.17654116 >>17654077 True retention addon

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:34:52 2017 No.17654121

>(大和):恋をしている女の子の顔をしてるなあって思ったの
>(矢矧):あっはは！
>随分とおかしなことを言うのね！
>(大和):なんで笑うんですかっ
>(矢矧):ごめんなさい　だって　あまりに　抽筒子（ちゅうとうし - rifle extractor）もないことを言い出すんだもの
>恋っていうのは人間の男女がするものでしょう？私には関係のないことだわ

I was just wondering what Yahagi was going for in that analogy. As I understand she's pointing out how Yamato is making remarks as if she's missing a rifle extractor, because... Yamato is saying silly things? How does that make sense? I'm trying to understand this but I don't know if I'm missing japanese or gun knowledge here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:34:57 2017 No.17654123 >>17654061 aがない I have little なになにとのちがいがよくわかんない

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:35:10 2017 No.17654124 >>17654116 I meant the extra mature cards graph.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:47:22 2017 No.17654153 >>17654123 I have little back pain = I have almost no back pain (confident, assertive)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:49:20 2017 No.17654159 >>17654121 "突拍子" では？

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 07:59:53 2017 No.17654182 >>17654159 Perhaps I'm going retarded. Just went back to the page and what you wrote was on there. As for how I misread that, I have absolutely no clue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 08:04:20 2017 No.17654198 >>17654159 そこはまあいいとして人間じゃないほうのなまえがよめないよね

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 08:15:22 2017 No.17654234 >>17654082 It's probably the best option. I'll go with it and see how it goes. Thanks for advice. >>17654116 >>17654124 https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/266436365 I'm using this add-on in addition to the true retention one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 08:17:28 2017 No.17654240 When you read "誘う".... is H implied (is it a bit like "seduce") or is it somewhat neutral (like "invite")

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 08:19:55 2017 No.17654248 >>17654240 depends on the context

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 08:23:35 2017 No.17654265 >>17654248 I think it's supposed to mean the former (it's in an H game) but I am still learning and just want a confirmation that "seduce" is a reasonable way to translate it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 08:40:41 2017 No.17654307 >>17654265 If you're still learning you shouldn't translate.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 08:53:27 2017 No.17654329

>>17653940

Nah, it conveys vague uncertainty and isn't strictly grammatical. The あるような doesn't modify the ないような, the two are separate and simply show that one is wavering uncertainly between them and that both are possible. Sort of like "I may or may not have heard about it before, but I can't be 100% sure one way or the other".

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 08:54:12 2017 No.17654331 File: 32 KB, 821x336, my_comprehension.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] my comprehension of Japanese you can still understand quite a lot with sheer kana

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:07:38 2017 No.17654365

>>17653858
I watched the latter half of his video where he explains how to learn Japanese and much of it is the same things written in the DJT guide except for starting with RTK and doing sentence cards.
Actually I've got a bit curious about them. That is sentence cards. One of my acquaintances studying German in university told me one of their professors told them to study whole sentences and not single words. Not only that, I've seen resources for learning other langues that also recommend them. But at the same time I've seen many people argue against them.
Are they really better than ordinary single word flashcard or are they a meme? I guess that with i+1 sentences you get a lot of repetition of the words you already know so it should improve retention but I'm not sure about it.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:16:45 2017 No.17654395

>>17654365
Of course sentences are better because you instinctively know how to put them within certain context. Learning German I knew A LOT of vocabulary, but I couldn't utilise it because it was just crossword-type of knowledge where it had no use in regular speech. You are better off getting bigger scope of things than just a mere word.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:23:14 2017 No.17654416 >>17654365 Studying sentences is good, but making them the subject of a spaced repetition system doesn't make any sense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:25:41 2017 No.17654427 >>17654416 this SRS works when the information presented is as simple and concise as possible a sentence helps to make the word more simple and concise in its usage IF there is confusion

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:25:55 2017 No.17654429

>>17654416
but sentences are about the WORD, they are just a layer for the word to be understood by and within the context itself
you put just 1 word that you learn and rest of the sentence is understood by you

as I said it's a battle between: understanding a mere word vs understanding that word + being able to use it within certain context and as implied knowing its use and nature more than by sheer single word out of context

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:26:43 2017 No.17654432 >>17654365 You study whole sentences while reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:34:47 2017 No.17654469 File: 98 KB, 800x1131, 148f5dc5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649677 要出典=出典を要する:Citation needed → source! >>17649821 lewd >>17650128 ネット・スラングやで

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:38:37 2017 No.17654478 File: 177 KB, 1280x720, kakegurui.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649709 賭け歪む題材見当たる尚且つ連載

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:42:43 2017 No.17654489 File: 105 KB, 920x350, bombing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649712

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:44:29 2017 No.17654494 >>17654365 It's clear that both methods work, but I think normalfags recommend whole sentences because they don't want to read anyway, and wouldn't get enough exposure to them otherwise.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:52:13 2017 No.17654516

>>17654416
>>17654432
>>17654494
So would you agree that while reviewing vocabulary items in a SRS one should focus on the reading of the word followed by a vague understanding and let the precise usage and meaning be refined by reading?
The alternative of making sentence cards where specific context is included seems too much work for me, especially for words with multiple different usages.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 09:57:24 2017 No.17654524 >>17654516 > focus on the reading of the word followed by a vague understanding and let the precise usage and meaning be refined by reading That's exactly what I did and it worked.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 10:26:54 2017 No.17654631 Does anyone have any anki card styles they can share?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 10:36:35 2017 No.17654678 File: 10 KB, 1121x758, anki.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17654631

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 10:41:38 2017 No.17654700 how do you write "whoa" in katakana

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 10:43:54 2017 No.17654710 >>17654700 >whoa ウオア

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 10:45:54 2017 No.17654720 >>17654489 あなたひにくのわからないフレンズ？

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 10:48:33 2017 No.17654731 >>17654710 I thought it might be ウォー

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 10:51:17 2017 No.17654739 >>17654720 相手は、一方的にボールを投げてきて、しかも核のデッドボールを意図的に投げると宣言しているこちらが、防衛のために、投げ返さない理由は全くない

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 10:51:56 2017 No.17654741 >>17654720 君こそは漢字の使わないフレンズだね？

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 10:53:06 2017 No.17654745 >>17654678 前衛美術

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 10:58:01 2017 No.17654756

>>17654478
I don't know what this post is implying but these words were taken from a thread about how Moe Harukawa is such an enigma.

One theory is that she doesn't really exist, but is the collective consciousness of the fanbase somehow being levied by ZUN to create one of the most controversial official manga in Touhou history.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 11:15:04 2017 No.17654804 >>17654739 にぶーい

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 11:35:05 2017 No.17654851 guys I write down kanji to remember them better but would you regularly practice kana writing? I can't find reason for doing so but it feels like such basics that would be nice to get down to

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 11:39:12 2017 No.17654856 >>17654851 いいえ、平野は難しくありませ

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 11:43:21 2017 No.17654868 File: 54 KB, 976x638, image.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17654631

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 11:44:06 2017 No.17654871 Scotfag here. Just started recently. It seems that their word for the UK is also synonymous for English. Am I incorrect? If I am: Where should I say that I'm from? I'm not English, I'm British.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 11:48:06 2017 No.17654884 >>17654871 If they call the British the same as they call the English then logically you should name yourself following the convention. イギリス人 or スコットランド人

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 11:48:30 2017 No.17654885 >>17654871 Hi British, use a dictionary.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 11:51:02 2017 No.17654892 >>17654871 introduce yourself as ブレイブハート

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 12:27:00 2017 No.17654990 Does it makes sense to use RTK/KKLC for only kanji in words I'm having trouble with?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 12:28:02 2017 No.17654994 >>17654990 Yes, but keep in mind that they're designed to be used as courses, so you might be confused by the mnemonics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 12:54:46 2017 No.17655087 和服が好きあなたはどう思うかしら

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 13:01:10 2017 No.17655114 >>17655087 セーラー服はええと思うやけどあれは別に和服じゃないでな

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 13:06:33 2017 No.17655135 基本的には洋服のほうがいい。ちなみに漢服と韓服なんかの違いは会話でどのように区別されるのかな

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 13:35:19 2017 No.17655217 how does one go and remember military ranks correctly? I dont even know them neither on japanese nor english and not even on my native language 大将　少将　参謀　二等兵　大佐　少佐　中佐

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 13:46:06 2017 No.17655238 >>17655135 韓国の服＝チョン服中国の服＝チャンコロ服

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 14:50:56 2017 No.17655440 File: 44 KB, 260x203, 2017-09-19_20-47-22.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What does this mean? Is it 匠ころん? I can't wrap my head around this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 14:54:58 2017 No.17655460 >>17655440 Are those names？

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 14:59:29 2017 No.17655482 >>17655460 Fuck. I'm a moron. Yeah. Name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 15:00:15 2017 No.17655487 >>17655217 Read some military manga/LN/VN.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 15:06:32 2017 No.17655508

>>17655217
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%99%B8%E8%BB%8D%E8%BB%8D%E4%BA%BA

These seem to be the basic ones, and they are pretty easy to remember once you notice the pattern. I originally looked them up when I was watching Fullmetal Alchemist because I was hearing them all the time.
大将中将少将大佐中佐少佐大尉中尉少尉

I've watched lots of military TV shows and movies in English, but I don't know the order of the ranks, so it probably isn't really necessary to learn them. You can tell from context who outranks who.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 15:21:30 2017 No.17655572

>>17655508
I feel like it's something you pick up naturally. I know the order of ranks the us armed forces use but have no idea how I learned that. I'm sure Japanese ranks will fall into place with reading(naval"ranks" certainly did as I read one piece)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 15:50:52 2017 No.17655716 It's so weird to me that Japanese has so many special words for counting items. But when I was thinking about it, English has a lot of stuff like that too (ex: sticks of dynamite, sheets of paper, etc).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 15:51:52 2017 No.17655724 >>17655716 Normal nouns in English are countable but normal nouns in Japanese are not. That's all there is to it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 15:53:19 2017 No.17655731 I finished 2k/6k and really enjoyed all the voiced content. Does anyone know of a 10k with good voice work? Also, I think I'm ready to start attempting some reading, any personal recommendations?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 16:25:57 2017 No.17655890 I finished 2k/6k and really enjoyed all the voiced content. Does anyone know of a 10k with good voice work? Also, I think I'm ready to start attempting some reading, any personal recommendations?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 16:27:16 2017 No.17655896 >日本 >本日悔しい

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 16:41:44 2017 No.17655934 灰汁 If you can read this I'd like to eat some of your home cooking.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 16:57:01 2017 No.17655989
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Can someone name examples where Japanese differs greatly from European languages?

I mean what are some common grammatical expressions that you can barely translate, or stuff where Japanese is working completely different than English for example, be it either unnecessary long weird sentences for saying something simple or the opposite Japanese being extremely efficient saying something rather complicated with barely any words.

Stuff like that.

I personally can't really think of anything right now, knowing English, German, Spanish as well I would even go so far and say that they are all equally different to each other safe for the writing system.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:04:16 2017 No.17656025 File: 40 KB, 338x66, Screenshot_3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/14/firefox_57_to_disable_all_extensions/ Is this the end?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:05:00 2017 No.17656028 >>17656025 switch to yomichan or spark reader, no reason not to

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:07:12 2017 No.17656035 >>17656028 >no reason not to Let me name one then, they fucking suck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:08:05 2017 No.17656040 >>17656035 yomichan is going to stop sucking next update afaik

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:09:03 2017 No.17656046 >>17656025 It's the end of firefox, yes.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:09:42 2017 No.17656049

>>17656028
>>17656035

I've never used them, but even if they didn't nothing can surpass the rikai+clipboard inserter combo. Now we're going to be forced to use firefox 56 to read VNs, and a separate browser that isn't run by cucks to do everything else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:10:05 2017 No.17656050 >>17656025 Just stop using rikai and learn Japanese, lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:13:54 2017 No.17656065 >>17656050 Using rikai is the most efficient way to learn japanese.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:19:58 2017 No.17656087
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I'm a bit confused on the 「普通に聞いた場合の5分間分しか頭に入らなかったけど」 part. I think I understand the gist as he felt like the explanation was thirty minutes long, but in actuality it was only five (as he zoned out while listening). But I don't think I'm entirely right, any help?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:21:21 2017 No.17656092 >>17656065 It's just a reading aid which makes you lazy and dependant. Not involved in the actual learning at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:23:58 2017 No.17656104 >>17656092 Yeah drawing every fucking kanji you don't know in google to look it up is clearly superior and totall doesn't kill your time better spent on reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:32:02 2017 No.17656138 >>17656104 Just use the radical search function.

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:34:44 2017 No.17656147

>>17656092

>It's just a reading aid which makes you lazy and dependant

It's true, we should actually abandon this whole internet thing altogether and go back to looking up words from paper dictionaries to really enhance and speed up our studies.

Quit spewing nonsense, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:35:33 2017 No.17656151 >>17656138 If you're using anything other than a paper J-J dictionary sorted at random you're using a crutch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:40:23 2017 No.17656170 >>17649241 what happened to namasensei?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 17:56:08 2017 No.17656236 おはようおにいちゃん >>17655934 >あくいろんないみあるよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 18:13:51 2017 No.17656301 >>17656087 It reads to me like he received an impressive 30 minute's worth of explanation in 5 minutes, but in the end only a normal 5 minute's worth actually stuck in his head.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 18:31:13 2017 No.17656353 >>17656236 >いろんないみあるよそうけ？妹が知ってるわけねえだろう。

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 18:31:35 2017 No.17656354 >>17656301 But how do you make sense of 「５分間のブリーフィングで完了させてしまった」 then? I thought that was just stating the actual time of the briefing/explanation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 18:34:45 2017 No.17656363 >>17656301 >>17656354 Never mind. I didn't realize what you were saying at first. That probably makes the most sense anyways

Anonymous Tue Sep 19 18:45:27 2017 No.17656382

>>17655989
Pretty much everything. If I had to pick something that's especially different from English, I guess it would be the passive voice. Expressed as a conjugation instead of a sentence structure, much more flexible in what it can apply to and just generally has a very different feel from the way it is in English (not to mention the ambiguity with potential form).

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 18:54:47 2017 No.17656417 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJLA5kcKNf4 ハレルヤ！

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 20:54:10 2017 No.17656819 I'm making my first foray into niconico. Am I interpreting this correctly that you actually have to pay a membership fee in order to skip through certain non-advertisement videos? What the kek.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 21:17:34 2017 No.17656906 >>17656049 yomichan is a level above shitty chan and next update will be on the level of sama

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 21:22:37 2017 No.17656927 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvYuf4r-8xk Is it from some animu? I feel like I know it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 21:29:19 2017 No.17656957 Added a bunch of donated scripts to http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats Thanks for donating.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 22:44:50 2017 No.17657216 >>17656819 >what is youtube red

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 22:55:42 2017 No.17657243 >>17656819 >what is adblock The worst part about not paying is they completely shit on the video quality if you aren't watching at late night Japan time

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 23:02:55 2017 No.17657268 >>17657243 >using adblock on a japanese site

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 23:03:21 2017 No.17657270 >>17656957 Thanks for your work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 19 23:36:29 2017 No.17657368 >>17656927 Isn't this from Bleach?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 00:29:33 2017 No.17657540 >>17656927 You didn't think to check the youtube comments first? Pretty much any song that's ever been in an anime will have dozens of "xDDD bleach brought me here c::::::" comments

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 01:26:14 2017 No.17657720 after 3 months i still cant read LNs for shit. what is GOING ON!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 01:34:48 2017 No.17657745 >>17657720 I'm at 4 months and I can read NHK Easy articles.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 01:35:18 2017 No.17657750 >>17657720 ガンバ

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 01:42:06 2017 No.17657764 >>17657720 Why do people think LNs are different from books?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 01:47:59 2017 No.17657775 >>17657764 Because exoticism.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 02:01:16 2017 No.17657817

>>17656104
Personally I only started remembering them properly after I uninstalled rikai. Because drawing them was too much of a bother, I just forced myself to remember at least one reading, usually the kan-on, and that has been enough to look anything up. Oftentimes if it's a hitherto unknown to me on-yomi compound I don't even look anything up because I can read it and guess the meaning from context and the constituting kanji.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 03:31:41 2017 No.17657980 >>17655989 It differs greatly in nearly everything. Japanese makes English, German and Spanish feel like they are the same language with small differences.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 04:07:19 2017 No.17658056

>>17655989
>Can someone name examples where Japanese differs greatly from European languages?
Japanese is basically the polar opposite of almost all European languages, especially English.

>I mean what are some common grammatical expressions that you can barely translate
Translating, making sense of it, and making the translation sound good are all different things. You can make sense of it and translate it literally relatively easily, but you can't really translate it and make it sound good in the target language. For example, お邪魔します doesn't sound good or natural no matter how you translate it because we simply never say something like this in English.
As for expressions, there are simply tons. Most can be translated, but there are some like 頑張る and 我慢 which aren't very intuitive to someone non-Japanese.

>or stuff where Japanese is working completely different than English for example
The sentence structure for starters. English is SVO, Japanese is SOV.
English: "I opened the box."
Japanese: "[I] box [direct object particle] opened." No "the" because Japanese doesn't have articles to specify THE box, A box, or even if it's A box or THE boxES. The "I" can also be omitted in almost every scenario.
Though it's not really as simple as that either. Technically Japanese doesn't really have a sentence structure system as long as your particle usage is correct. You can rephrase it in almost any way you want and it'll make sense, even if it means dancing around the topic a lot.
Technically all that you need for a proper, grammatically correct Japanese sentence is either a verb or an adjective. "Ran" and "beautiful" are both complete sentences in Japanese.

tl;dr:
Japanese is just too different from almost all European languages to list all the differences. You're better off listing the vaguest similarities between the two instead.
For instance, as far as European languages go, Japanese and Swedish both have a pitch accent system. A handful of European languages also utilize compound wording, like Japanese does.
Finnish and Japanese are both very phonetically simple with few complex sounds. Spelling also almost always correlates 1:1 with how the word is pronounced in their respective languages.
Those are about the closest similarities I can think of between Japanese and European languages.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 04:11:36 2017 No.17658067

>>17658056
>Finnish and Japanese are both very phonetically simple with few complex sounds. Spelling also almost always correlates 1:1 with how the word is pronounced in their respective languages.
I get that you just mean kana, but in practice Japanese is quite possibly the last language on earth that I'd call phonetically spelled, even below Chinese because Chinese has more consistency.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 04:19:05 2017 No.17658086

>>17658067
Well yes, I obviously was just talking about kana.
But even with the multiple readings taken into account, if you mean 生 as in なま then it's always pronounced なま.
In English you can write "record" and mean either the noun which could mean 4 different things or the verb which is pronounced differently from the noun form and could also mean 2 different things.
Furthermore, the "re" in record isn't pronounced the same as the "re" in "retard."

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 04:24:42 2017 No.17658103

>>17658086
>But even with the multiple readings taken into account, if you mean 生 as in なま then it's always pronounced なま.
Well, that's like saying that if you mean "re" as in "record" the verb then it's always pronounced the same, or something. That's not what phonetic writing is. Phonetic writing represents the bare sound and nothing more.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 04:38:14 2017 No.17658126

>>17658103
>That's not what phonetic writing is. Phonetic writing represents the bare sound and nothing more
I will admit that I might very well be out of my scope here. As one might expect, I'm not a linguist. But nonetheless:

>Well, that's like saying that if you mean "re" as in "record" the verb then it's always pronounced the same, or something.
I'm surprised you didn't just pull the context card on me. In context it will always be clear what record means, be it recordING something or breaking some record, but saying "re" always sounds like "re" within the context of "record" isn't right. Like I said, record is pronounced 2 different ways depending on the context, and even then neither of them pronounces "re" the same way as the "re" in "retard."

Of course, within context it's always clear if 生 is pronounced like なま, just like record. But the point was that なま isn't pronounced "NAHma" OR "naMAH" depending on the context. It's always なま.
But even with that said, I suppose that if you think of the mere concepts as reading introducing ambiguity or not having straightforward readings like pure kana does, then yes, I guess you're right. In which case never mind that part.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 04:54:23 2017 No.17658150 >>17657720 だいじょうぶおにいちゃんならできるよ

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 05:25:29 2017 No.17658205

>>17658126
>But even with that said, I suppose that if you think of the mere concepts as reading introducing ambiguity or not having straightforward readings like pure kana does, then yes, I guess you're right. In which case never mind that part.
Yes, that's what I mean.

With a perfectly phonetic (phonemic) system, the only thing the graphemes distinguish are the phonemes. You see, 生 cannot be used for just any instance of なま, as it has to be something like なまほうそう. You can't use it for the なま in なまけもの or なまえ, as 生 is bound to a specific lexeme. That makes it non-phonetic. An example of such non-phonetic character in English would be &.

I should make clear that I reference phonemes rather than phonetics. Take the word 達人王, the name of a video game. The kana たつじんおう suggests that you should read it as /ta.tsu.ji.n.o.u/, right? Not so. That was the phonemic understanding. The word is actually pronounced as [ta.d.dji.ĩ.o.o]. The つ is somehow reduced to a "d" or gemination, ん is a nasalized vowel [ĩ] of all things, and /ou/ is realised as [oo]. Phonematically, it is still たつじんおう though. The spelling 達人王 depends on your identifying these phonemes with a specific lexical understanding.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 05:38:12 2017 No.17658220

>>17658205
Then it's clear you know much more than I do and outside of pure kana writing the point doesn't stand.
I suppose that even then, people only rarely ever actually do pronounce all words just like they're written. Like you wrote, people sometimes merge sounds like how おう and えい turn into おー and えー respectively or omit sounds like how 機械 is pronounced less like "ki-kai" and more like "KH-kai." That might just be regional though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 05:47:11 2017 No.17658239 Are there any good decks with a bunch of katakana words? I'm bad at reading katakana and would like to practice

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 05:51:49 2017 No.17658247

>>17658220
It's a pleasure to have a civilised conversation.

>I suppose that even then, people only rarely ever actually do pronounce all words just like they're written. Like you wrote, people sometimes merge sounds like how おう and えい turn into おー and えー respectively or omit sounds like how 機械 is pronounced less like "ki-kai" and more like "KH-kai." That might just be regional though.
I won't be able to pull a prescriptive source on you right now, but I think that the pronunciaton of /o.u/ as /o.o/ is standard - with the exception of a few words. According to that, たつじんおう can be interpreted as 達人追う, whereby the pronunciation would change. That makes pure kana just somewhat deficient in terms of representation of phonemes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 05:56:09 2017 No.17658256 >>17658247 だいじょうぶはつおんはちほーによってぜんぜんちがうから

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 06:11:18 2017 No.17658274 >>17658256 私は標準語のみを語っているんだよ。聞き取りは、アニメなどを観ていて外国人の我々が大体それしかは学ばないのでしょう。当然なものでしょう。

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 06:26:09 2017 No.17658304 How do you interpret the TTBJ score? SPOT90 + Grammar90 + KanjiSPOT 50. I can't find anything on the web.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 06:41:18 2017 No.17658342 >75% retention 60%+ correct >day 13 >80 card reviews 20 new >retention falls to 66% and 47% correct Getting a bunch of review cards mixed with new cards that are similar to your review cards really fucks with you

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 06:49:03 2017 No.17658363

>>17658342
You'll get better at it over time. And don't worry about some cards that just never seem to stick, some words are just less useful or make less sense to some people. When you see more words using a particular reading, concept, or kanji, you'll start to build cross connections and it'll be easier to remember.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 06:56:54 2017 No.17658389 File: 35 KB, 1080x872, TTBJ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17658304 It's just the number of questions you got correct, there's no scaling or anything going on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 07:06:35 2017 No.17658412 >>17658342 show new cards in order added, not random it prevents them circling the drain at the end of a session, and you're exposed to them when you're completely fresh

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 07:06:46 2017 No.17658413 File: 43 KB, 836x610, TTBJ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17658389 Understood, thanks. And nice scores!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 07:44:58 2017 No.17658477 is there any website/graphic where I could tick off Jojo Kanji that I learnt? I'd find it very motivating, but can't find anything appropriate

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 07:59:44 2017 No.17658498 >>17658477 You could print this out and just mark each one you know: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/2230_Kanji.svg Or save it as an image and do it in an image editing program too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:09:20 2017 No.17658521 >>17658498 he was looking for some web 2.0 fancy checkoff lightbox filled shit to attach some meaning to his life treading, dreams etc

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:13:59 2017 No.17658532

>>17658521
If that's the case then he can make it himself. Marking the ones you know with a pen or a box shouldn't be that damn difficult.
There's always the plugin for Anki that displays what kanji you're familiar with but if you don't use Anki then there's not much use for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:41:15 2017 No.17658599 「田植人貨金協定。九十銭、一日貨金賄附。女人夫は右の六分」 I've had it with this shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:51:37 2017 No.17658622 File: 872 KB, 1920x1080, 1505687381663.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 妹

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:57:47 2017 No.17658636 >>17658622 罪悪感

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:58:03 2017 No.17658637 new thread >>17658632

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 08:58:14 2017 No.17658638 >>17657540 I have them blocked with uBlock and will not reenable them unless it's vital for my survival (so never).

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:24:55 2017 No.17658734 >>17658638 You are yet weak. I don't look at them by the sheer force of my will.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:29:17 2017 No.17658749 i read yt comments often because they often make me laugh and laughing rules

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:35:29 2017 No.17658771 気持ちが悪い

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:36:09 2017 No.17658774 >my japanese music vid (that is just as much on topic as other japanese music vids ITT) got deleted Fucking neo-mods.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:38:14 2017 No.17658780 >>17658056 >Japanese is SOV That's wrong tho. It can be SOV it can be OSV or just V, a grammatically correct sentence requires only a verb or the (implicit) state of being.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:39:19 2017 No.17658784 >>17658774 just take solace in the fact that modding this thread is akin to sculpting a turd

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:46:34 2017 No.17658805 >>17658774 The "other japanese music vids" are actually not on topic, they're posted by a cancerous shitposter who has been plaguing this thread for months now. We all wish he'd fuck off, but unfortunatedly the mod is too much of a pussy to ban him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 09:57:41 2017 No.17658839 >>17658805 hey dont give me all the credit you do a pretty good job making awful posts too

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:02:17 2017 No.17658851 >>17658780 Latin can be any fucking thing but is still described as SOV because that is the stylistically neutral word order. In Japanese, the tolerance for alternative verb placement is simply much less.

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:13:51 2017 No.17658887

>>17658780
I went on in the same post to say"it's not really as simple as that." But if you want to form a simple sentence saying you interacted with an object, like "I ate an apple" or "I sat on the chair" then I would be very surprised if you did that in any other order than SOV.
Yes, you can word it in other ways, and you can simply say "ate" or "sat" if that's all the information required within the context, but that doesn't matter.
You can say "the apple was eaten by me" or "the action of sitting was performed by me on the chair" in English too, but nobody says that.

For general purposes, Japanese is an SOV language.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 10:53:27 2017 No.17659005 >「今幾時頃なの」 Is this a phrase I don't know about?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:15:44 2017 No.17659077 >>17658532 what's the name of the plugin?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:21:05 2017 No.17659096 >>17659077 Kanji Grid

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:23:38 2017 No.17659107 >>17650907 I like this table. Where could I find the full version please?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:33:27 2017 No.17659133 >>17658784 Modding this website is a more appropriate comparison. DJT is the only reason I come to 4chan anymore as I still find it useful. I'd rather spend my time doing other, more valuable things---like engaging with compelling content!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 11:36:33 2017 No.17659143 >>17659005 Look up 幾時 in a Japanese dictionary and you should understand.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:02:20 2017 No.17659567 >>17659107 It's from KKLC.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:53:10 2017 No.17659757 "いい加減になさい" Pretty sure this is commonly used in anime. Does the expression look correct or is it のさい and I am just hearing it wrong. I havent seen it written, just trying to pick out what I am hearing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:55:01 2017 No.17659764 >>17659757 しなさい not just なさい

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 13:58:47 2017 No.17659775

I have roughly 3k cards (2,500 core; 500 mine)! Are you guys proud of me?
I have a question I couldn't locate the answer to on Anki's help page. How do cards reach "mature"? Is it just through consecutive right answers? And if so, am I fucking myself with my 21 day max interval? If I set the max to 3 days would I be graduating cards 7 times faster?

>>17650805
I can attest to this. When I first started doing the Core deck I used the media files and for some reason it put the images on the front of each card. I only got like 20 words into the deck before I realized I was recalling the images and not the word. I removed pictures entirely, actually. I got the impression, even with the image on the back, that I had far stronger affinity with the image than the word. With just the English meaning and example sentence it might seen brutal to some but it helps me recall the words DIRECTLY.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:06:09 2017 No.17659797 >>17659764 Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:09:37 2017 No.17659808 >>17659764 いい加減になさい works, too. Sounds a bit more grown-up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:18:46 2017 No.17659842 いい加減になさるがよかろう

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:18:51 2017 No.17659843 いい加減にやりたかねぇ

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:21:46 2017 No.17659850 ええ加減にせぇで

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:33:34 2017 No.17659893

>>17659775
A mature card is one with a interval greater than 21 days.
Setting your maximal interval to 21 days instead to the default 100 years will just make you review words more often since they don't get spread out.
For example let's assume that you finish core6k. Even if all words get spread out evenly which is pretty much impossible and you get them all right, a maximal interval of 21 days would mean you'd have to review daily 285 words.
I don't think anyone here changes the maximal interval setting from the default one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:47:58 2017 No.17659958 File: 842 KB, 720x3814, HbFM8zD.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the fuck is this BR monkey going on about?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:53:10 2017 No.17659976 i know you kids like your yojijukugos so this vid reminded me of yall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE_eppxzl-E

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:56:18 2017 No.17659987 >>17659958 I've seen 〆 but who the actual fuck uses that other variant for して in normal sentences. You know it's bad when he has to explain it even when addressing natives

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 14:59:59 2017 No.17660011 私は両親を従って行動します。 ◉私は良心に従って行動します。

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:05:41 2017 No.17660042 >>17659958 mostly about how dorky and uncool he is

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:05:45 2017 No.17660044 File: 81 KB, 720x1280, Screenshot_20170920-160245.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] savage

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:35:05 2017 No.17660195 I'm getting tired of studying. I just want to get better without putting in effort.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:35:58 2017 No.17660199 >>17660195 Move to Japan.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:41:48 2017 No.17660226 >>17660195 Compelling content. I consider studying leisure because it's fun

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:48:40 2017 No.17660254 >>17660044 >once again, but this time in English >savage underb&

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:48:44 2017 No.17660255 はいどーも今日は日本語を学んでみたいと思います日本語がうまくなりたいからですだから早く教えろよこの童貞どもめご検討をお願いいたします

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:50:26 2017 No.17660260 File: 147 KB, 1280x692, screenshot0049.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17660195 >I just want to get better without putting in effort. Watch lots and lots of j-drama. No effort and tons of fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 15:58:54 2017 No.17660286 >>17660260 What's the Yotsuba of dorama?

Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:04:23 2017 No.17660300
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>>17660286
Anything with cute girls is fine.

First thing I watched was Gokusen. Probably anything with a school setting will do. GTO live action wasn't that bad either.
Itazura Na Kiss if you like romance, Switch Girl if you want slice of life comedy.
Detective/Police drama once you can understand better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:04:56 2017 No.17660302 >>17660286 1 liter of tears

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 16:38:59 2017 No.17660426 >>17660255 検討いたします

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 17:08:38 2017 No.17660513 >>17658622 ブリーチするとかみぱっさぱっさになるよね

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 18:48:41 2017 No.17660830 私は寿司と貴方のお母さんのまんこが好き食べる。何がましな風味か。

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:03:05 2017 No.17660890 こいつはどうすればいいんでしょうか

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:15:30 2017 No.17660933 童貞喪失っていいな僕にはわからんけど

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 19:20:04 2017 No.17660951 そうだもんね

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:03:36 2017 No.17661315 Can someone help make sense of the にしても explanation in number 5? Mainly in the 一つにしても construction. It's kind of going over my head. https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/thsrs/17191/meaning/m0u/

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:04:16 2017 No.17661318 >>17661315 https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:11:54 2017 No.17661344 I'm almost finishing Core 2K and I'm just curious. How many kanji have I seen? How many are in Core 2K?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 20 21:30:31 2017 No.17661409 Developer Edition just updated to Firefox 57. If you're using 4chan X, copy your custom CSS out before closing or restarting Firefox or you'll have to use an sqlite database explorer to recover it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:00:10 2017 No.17662196 Ded thred. Everyone's studies must be going nicely.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:01:33 2017 No.17662204 hey guys, check out this cool kanji 蒼氓

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:15:06 2017 No.17662246 >>17662204 みぎのかんじしらないひだりは中二でよくでてくる

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:15:34 2017 No.17662247 File: 30 KB, 200x200, ごめん.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17662196 debating if I should resume shitposting on my lang8 account and if it will actually help

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:37:10 2017 No.17662316
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What does 「どうやったってイニシアチブ」 mean in this context? I'm grasping at straws here, but I'm interpreting the highlighted sentence as "Since she doesn't have a proper schedule, it's hard to predict her movement/initiative."

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:42:43 2017 No.17662330 >>17662196 This thread always dies when the euros go to bed

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:43:16 2017 No.17662332 >>17662330 it's on page 10 dumbass

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 01:44:03 2017 No.17662336 >>17662316 どうやったって、イニシアチブは彼女にあるだとおもうよ。意味はよくわかんないや

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 02:06:10 2017 No.17662398 恋愛の主導権は彼女にあるって事だろう。男はふられた。

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 02:43:01 2017 No.17662505 いにしあちぶってたぶんえいご？えいぶんでつかったことない

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 03:06:44 2017 No.17662585
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確か
1) certain, sure, definite
2) if I'm not mistaken, if I remember correctly

what the fuck is it with 確か. you can never really derive from context wich one of those it really is or am i missing something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 03:08:18 2017 No.17662591 >>17662585 考えるな感じろ

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 03:25:20 2017 No.17662625 >>17662585 このけんぽうはかえてはいけないってたしかけんぽうにかいてある

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 03:30:41 2017 No.17662636 >>17662196 I always think that I must be a dumbass if I resort to asking questions on djt, so I never ask any questions on djt as a result and figure things on my own instead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 03:34:58 2017 No.17662644 >>17662636 if something isn't covered by the guide or a quick google, its fine to ask Even if it might be considered rare, imouto can pull out some of the weirdest knowledge at times

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 03:42:12 2017 No.17662665 >>17662585 >>17662591 １）のいみのときは >この憲法は変えてはいけないと、確かに憲法に書いてある２）のいみのときは >この憲法は変えてはいけないと、確か憲法に書いてあるだよ。くっつきかたがちょっとかわるのかな

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 03:42:49 2017 No.17662670

>>17662636

"Don't be afraid to ask questions" is the number one studying advice given pretty much everywhere for a reason.

Obviously you should try and figure things out yourself first, but being stuck with misunderstandings out of some dumb pride on an anonymous website of all places is silly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 03:47:03 2017 No.17662679 >>17661344 You can probably check with kanjigrid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 04:01:32 2017 No.17662717 >>17662644 >>17662670 Well then. I hope you can take my dumbass questions that this thread is going soon to see.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 04:43:20 2017 No.17662788 Are the others Dogen's pronunciation on patreon worth it ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_s6QqmJd7k

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 04:47:15 2017 No.17662794 >>17662788 See for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeK-ilb1gk6md2oCbjPh4Rl0lnXXOV22P

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 04:51:09 2017 No.17662798 >>17662794 awesome thanks

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 04:53:02 2017 No.17662804 >>17662788 >だい↑が↑く↑ 東京ことばだよ東京以外だと >だい↑がく↑ になったりするよ

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 05:16:37 2017 No.17662839 うしろにくっつくとかわるからややこしいね >わ↑せ↓だ >だ↓い↑が↑く↑ >わ↓せ↑だ↑だ↑い↓がくわかりにくい？

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 06:09:55 2017 No.17663008

Sorry to be a complete idiot asking an incredibly dumb question, but

Could someone give me or point me to some slow exercises for learning the kana? Every guide just says it's easy to learn them all in a day don't worry, but that burns me out quickly and I don't know how much practice to put forward, which kills any motivation I have. I know this probably means I should just give up, but I'd at least like to get somewhere in the attempt.

If I can at least get to the point I'm using Anki and attempting to sound out basic sentences in children's books I'll be happy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 06:21:36 2017 No.17663060 >>17663008 You should be able to sound out basic sentences in children's book in a day. There's really no trick to it.

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 06:22:23 2017 No.17663064

>>17663008

Nobody learns the kana in a day, not properly at least. You just see them so much learning them is inevitable after a while.

But it's not like there's a shortage of exercises if you google around a bit. If you really need to spice things up someone even made RPGs for learning the hiragana and katakana, they're on Steam.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 06:24:04 2017 No.17663070 >>17663064 Or the one on Kongregate. But just writing them out/using DJT Kana/using an Anki deck is way faster in my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 06:46:21 2017 No.17663159 >>17663064 >>17663070 まずイニシエやれば？ http://inishie-dungeon.com/ ADブロックはずさないとできなくなった

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 06:49:36 2017 No.17663171
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Does anyone have any advice on what to do when the kanji's been turned into a squiggly mess?

Normally I try and identify radicals and then look it up in a dictionary, but sometimes it's such a mess that I can't tell at all. I'd like to know if there's another way to do it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 06:59:02 2017 No.17663196 >>17662636 Its a fucking christian imageboard. We are here to help, unless you are beyond helping. In that case you would be burned alive though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 07:06:16 2017 No.17663213 >>17663171 >あっ >離れてもたおおさか言葉で「いけない、離れてしまいました」のいみだよ

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 07:09:10 2017 No.17663222

>>17663008
I don't like memrise but I used it at the time to learn kana. A lot of other resources just have your practice the kana by themselves but this one uses tiny words instead so you get a lot of good practice.

https://www.memrise.com/course/1096566/sgjl-01-remembering-the-hiragana-in-3-hours/
https://www.memrise.com/course/1100073/sgjl-02-remembering-the-katakana-in-3-hours/

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 07:09:21 2017 No.17663225 >>17663213 ありがとうございます

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 07:20:08 2017 No.17663267 ええ加減にせぇ～ほしいやねん、あんた～

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 07:31:22 2017 No.17663298 File: 23 KB, 362x626, dagomb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>17649093 how much grammar does one get to know trough core2000 deck? iam about halfway trough and somehow bored by the rather simple sentence structure.

Anonymous Thu Sep 21 07:40:57 2017 No.17663322

>>17663298
You're doing something wrong if you're even asking that question in the first place.
First of all, C2K just teaches you basic vocabulary. It's not meant to teach you any grammar. You're meant to learn grammar through a guide for the basics and then properly get used to it by reading native material.

The sentence structure is very simple and gets a little better than "X is Y dess" but not by much. The sentences are just meant to give you usage context and more specific meaning, they're not exactly all practical or useful sentences that teach you much about grammar.
You don't need to know any grammar to get through the deck and honestly you should abandon it and start reading as soon as possible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 08:04:26 2017 No.17663412 File: 601 KB, 821x1257, 1505976290337.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 21 08:08:10 2017 No.17663427 >>17663298 Start reading NHK easy for practice. You'll probably have 70% of the vocab already.

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