Elona

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>Previous Thread
>>17995007

Current Version: Elona+ 1.73 (10/29/2017)
Latest Custom: E+C 1.73.1

Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to WINDOWS 7.

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>>18026403
wait what why is my screencap in there

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>>18026441
OP anon combs through posts and cobbles together an OP image every thread.
Congrats, you're famous now.

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>>18026441
The image of a happy family staring straight at the viewer in abject confusion while Goda is doing funky dance moves behind a catsister made for the ideal celebration of the holiday spirit that the upper right corner needed

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>>18026463
ok

>>18026498
what?

[Anonymous No.]

am I supposed to just grind for resistances through equipment consumption? Afraid to go to dungeons because I have no sound resistance, and a pack of hounds killed my pets and brough me down to near death in a turn.

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i heard harvest time quests train stats... is farming harvest time quests at yowyn after eating special couse at the inn a good way to train all stats?

>>18026515
for sound ressistance, equip the blue shell

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>>18026521
dunno much about all stats but I'm certain that it trains gardening.

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>>18026521
Yup. It boosts STR, CON, WILL, PER, LER, and gardening.
Make sure your stat potentials are good and spent plat to get gardening to 400%.
Then drink the inn's magic meme juice and go to town.

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>>18026535
Keep in mind that gardening quests still spawn enemies, so you'll be training combat skills as well.

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you proudly wield <the whore>

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>>18026545
amazing

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>>18026539
my pets do the combat for me in harvests
>doesn't train dex
bummer. as a marksman i care much about it. mag can be raised at the wizard and cha can be trained with investing, but dex... ill have to find a way to individually train that.

[Anonymous No.]

How can I make Elona not break my screen size when its full-screen and I need to alt-tab, also how do I make sounds stop while alt-tabbed?

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>>18026535
>gardening to 400%.
does it affect stat gains?

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>>18026739
Yes it does, the faster gardening levels the faster do stats

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>crowd throws a 'tough lute' while watching ensemble
>turns out it's a shield
>even lowers performance
is this Al'ud shileld a good equipment?

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>>18026739
Potential for stats and skills acts as a multiplier to exp gained, which is what the percentages are for

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>>18026755
Lacking in resists but excellent for defense, if you get it early you'll be practically invulnerable for a while.

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>>18026755
>shileld
Oh god i must sleep

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>>18026797
Goodnight sweet prince

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I haven't played this game in a long time.
Does E+C run on Vista?

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>>18026801
Why did you make me laugh? Damn son

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>>18026863
Custom is fixed on Windows 7 service pack as far as I know, just test it

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>>18027027
It seems to run. I haven't tested it extensively yet though and only got as far as the starting town.

[Anonymous No.]

r8 my party

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>>18027517
That's absolutely adorable, anon.

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>>18027517
Cute.

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>>18027517
10/10

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>>18027517
('w')b

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how do you view how many cards are in your deck for that witch quest?

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>>18027642
Buy a deck (laptop computer looking thing if you're using vanilla sprites) at the embassy, north of Palmia.
Use it and it'll show all the cards you've collected.

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>>18027542
>>18027545
>>18027577
>>18027634
T-thanks

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>>18027517
Me on the left.

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>>18027517
Cute wizard hats.

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>>18027681
Left from my perspective or from yours?

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>>18027517
Miku, Reimu and Lilly White.

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>sorting things out after clearing a dungeon
>see this
what is this

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>>18028628
They summon little girls, not the ones you turn in for the quest

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>>18028628
nvm I read it and got a younger sister. figures, should have expected it after reading other diaries
gosh the party is getting real crowded now. some diaries don't summon people while certain ones do. this is confusing.

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>>18028638
It's time to abandon your sister, anon.
Diaries that summon will always have a spellbook sprite, whereas regular diaries will always have the generic red book sprite.

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>>18028638
Red books just have text in them. All other diaries are rather valuable.

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>>18028628
It's trash, I don't even pick them up anymore.
Once you have fox bro, which takes up to 12, I think.
After that diaries are 100% useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>attacked by rogue boss
>while escorting 3 extremely weak npcs
>manage to kill his backup easily while hes pounding away at me
>he suddenly does a ball spell that kills all the escorts

how? he didn't even drop an item with an invoke

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>>18028675
Diaries are for saving in your bookcase for the day when you turn a discarded ranch into a cute little town, and summon all your sisters there to give them a home. When you like you can drop by sisterville and give them headpats, perform for them or convert them to the one true god Sophia and raise an army for a holy crusade

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>>18028777
>>attacked by rogue boss
>>while escorting 3 extremely weak npcs
>>manage to kill his backup easily while hes pounding away at me
>>he suddenly does a ball spell that kills all the escorts
>how? he didn't even drop an item with an invoke
1) He might not have droped every item.
2) He might have simply used a spell.
3) It might have been one of the specials that look like spells.
4) Someone else did it.
5) ?????
6) lose everything.

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>>18028828
>Gathering all your underage blood relatives into your own private Jonestown so you can induct them into your fanatical death cult centered around the worship of a frumpy librarian
Only in Elona.

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Which evolved god pet is the best?

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>>18029340
The defender can save you from death.
All the other stuff pales in comparison on a fundamental level, an extra life in a roguelikes is always the holy grail.

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>>18029430
If I evolve my pet goose, does she keep her platinum laying ability?

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>>17996137
I don't like the major changes so I don't plan on using it, but if you modded the game to be more fun for yourself, more power to you. There are some things I have to comment on, however:

>Monsters can always use gauge attacks. I've got no idea why only level 130 or higher monsters would be able to do so
Very likely to make normal easier and challenge modes harder, no?

>it could mean losing a sentient weapon that took hundreds of hours to level
Pretty sure you can use the little sister quest to also recover miracles and godlies such as those.

>has been replaced with a different bad dream that greatly increases ether corruption
I feel like that changes game balance more than you think.

>the "re-enable savescumming" tweak doesn't do it for me, because it means that any accidental slip on the F2 key reloads the game from the last save. And there is no confirmation. Again, why would anyone design a game like that???
The game's design is that it saves automatically every so often, so that wouldn't happen. I don't like how that Custom option turns auto-saving after sleeping (among other occasions) off either, and even asked them to undo that but was rejected, but don't confuse the base game's design with changes made by the Custom team.

>I asked the developers about it once and they said "nah the sound must be enough".
I saw that and I say that maybe you should take the matter directly to Ano instead of Custom. Maybe he'll agree.

>"rare" drops can also generate right after starting the game, not only after it was running for 10 minutes
Common misconception. The rare drop trigger does not turn off if you close the game properly. That is, for everyone who don't savescum, the trigger stays on indefinitely after the first 10 minutes on the very first time they play.
You should also keep in mind that the increase in rare drops has only affected those that were already relatively common (original rate of 1 in 200 or more often); notice how people only mention having happy beds and unknown shells in surplus. The truly rare stuff didn't get a rate increase and is still rare.
The new stardust and weapon crafting elements are also based on the player finding frequent rares, and lowering rates is going to break them.

>Curased coffins are spelled correctly again (hint: "curased coffin" is the correct spelling). Same for Yerles conbat planes and Snail thr android rider.
>It just has that unique ring to it, IMHO. And I "grew up" with the version where they were spelled that way and really liked those spellings, so "fixing" them feels like an obvious regression to me. Therefore I decided to keep the Engrish charm of the game that makes it stand out compared to most other games.
That's retarded.

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Anyone know why window height is capped at 768? Is that just some arbitrary limit the devs set in code, or a hard limitation of hsp? Window width doesn't seem to be capped at all.

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>>18029449
They all keep their unevolved ability don't worry.

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>>18029611
Awesome thanks

[Anonymous No.]

so im kinda wanting grind for stats and i have a few questions...
1. does blessed food restore more satiation?
2. does blessing affect stat gain from {herb}?
3. do cursed jack- lanterns still give the same pariod of 35% stat gain boosts?
4. does +# on food affect {herb} stat gain?
5. does cooking level affect {herb} stat gain?

if you got an answer to any of those problems please share...

[Anonymous No.]

Should I drop out of school, live with my parents, and get a part-time job? I don't really want much in life other than play video games and read visual novels.

No girlfriend, no children, no responsibilities. Instead, I can do that in Elona, right?

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>>18029759
herbing appears to add a large static boost to stats regardless of what food you do this too and herbed food will always fill you to bloated from any hunger state.

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>>18029819
some how my post cut off but

herb is independant of blessed, + and cooking status and the only herbed food I have ever eaten is blessed stacks of curia as it doesn't actually matter what you eat.

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How does somebody grind dungeons correctly if Hounds are so common and powerful? I'm currently level 28 yet whenever I enter a +15 dungeon I get gang banged by these demonic dogs. My golden bell gets poisoned to death, my little girl gets paralyzed, I get blinded and my goose screams in agony.
I've travelled around, looking for armor that could block these pesky elemental attacks and charms that would stop my team from melting away, but nothing seems to be working.

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>>18029851
heres what you do
1. make sure all your pets are on a lease
2. keep a astack of teleport scrolls nearby
3. explore normally till dogs
4. when you find dogs, just teleport away. you can fight them later at smaller numbers, dpends on terrain.

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>>18029857
Well, that's something which I already do. I have the dimensional move and the string assasin skills which helped me oneshot and escaped from most enemies 'till now.
Tp scrolls aren't that reliable anyway since blindness and confusion doesn't let you read 'em, but Dimensional move is also unreliable since 4 out of 5 times it gets me in close to the hounds.

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>>18029819
>>18029826
i see, thank you
in that case, in order to train stats i need to
1. go to yowyn
2. eat cursed jack o lantern
3. eat herbed rice
4. start farming, eat herbed rice any time i can untill run out of time or out of herbed rice.

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>>18029878
>blindness and confusion
1. you need to read scroll before you get sourounded
2. i think either knowledge or concentration protects from confusion
3. i know gem protects and cures blindness

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>>18029340
I had this same internal debate myself few days ago and decided to go with the Black Angel as my God Heart recipient mainly for pic related speed. She's basically has the potential to be a bell without cMetal but can still earn AP. It's even easier to roid up her speed with custom AI so she won't spam her useless Slow like a retard.

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>>18029814
Are you (me)?

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>>18029927
Can you post you AI for her, I use her as well but she doesn't spam slow in my case, more like get in 1 tile to opponent and then start shooting with a bow and if enemy gets close she fights with a melee weapon which isn't that great just for bonus stats.

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>>18029917
>1. you need to read scroll before you get sourounded
That would be cool if possible, but most time my limited view gets me in range of one of these creatures' breath range which most of the timed results in me either getting 3/4 attacks from a group of houds or in loosing quite a few turns thanks to debuffs...

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>>18029927
>>18029952
why the hate of slow? speed only benefit herself, slow benefit the entire party.

>>18029953
holy vail protects from debuffs
find a narrow corridor and fight them there
find an empty room, close the door and start dimensional fishing

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>>18029952
Nothing fancy, just a basic "if <no buff>, then <buff self>", get into (& stay at) range 2 for optimal crossbow damage, and keep attacking after all that. Great thing about custom too is you can teach spells; in my case, Attribute Shield so that's less resist gear I need to worry about scrounging up for them.
>>18029962
Slow has a chance of not being applied, and her spamming slow trying to get it to apply is less turns spent attacking. I might eventually get a dedicated debuff spell pet though; maybe the Exile? On that note, anyone know if Exile loses their multicast ability if you use custom AI for them?

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>>18029977
so basically she will fight only ranged mode but shy does she get closer when when target is less than 2 tiles away?

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>>18029977
>doesn't check for mp before casting speed
i hope you gave her magic capacity.

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>>18029990
If the target is less than 2 tiles away ie right next to her she runs away. Basically these 2 ifs for movement keeps her at range 2, which is where crossbow gets 100% damage
>>18029997
It hasn't been a problem yet since she only needs to cast it once per fight. Still will fix it someday in case of longer fights or MP draining enemies

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>>18030013
I thought they will cancel themselves out, btw will she be constantly spamming buffs when not buffed?

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>>18029977
the last time I tried altering pet AI the exile's multicast only worked with dart spells, that was in 1.50ish version and could have been fixed but I doubt it

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>>18029977
>>18030092
rapid magic bitflag only works on dart spells

[Anonymous No.]

How do I keep my potentials up like "early" game, around level 20~ and such. Getting potions of potential still seems far out of my price range. I have a little sister cooking me breakfast almost every time I can, but my character seems to an insomniac or something and doesn't get sleepy until the most bizarre ass times.

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>>18030418
Pet cooking and simply sleeping.
Consider eating rare herbs directly since they were buffed recently.
And of course, just keep playing, getting a consistent supply of potential potions is not really late game, just always raise your investing potential before investing 50 and you'll have all magic vendors to rank 100 in no time, especially if you make it your absolute focus.

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>>18030418
if you have a maid at home and have joined a guild, the guild trainers occasionaly will visit you and train one of your attribute potential for 3 platinum.
drink from the holy well in noyel everyonce in a while
the traiing machine in the cyber dome (and in shalters) will increase your str potential

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>>18030433
>Consider eating rare herbs directly since they were buffed recently.
Should I just eat 'em raw or is it better to make Herbed food if I can. I have a kind of full farm with 50 Gardening and some herb plants. I mostly get Currarias/Stomafilia's though.

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>>18030458
Ano raised their potential restoring effect to make them attractive, since before it was a no-brainer that herb-in was plain better.
Well, it's still statistically better, but the gap in effectiveness is a lot closer.

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>accidentally press F11, some window pops up
>read down fascinated
>realize that the black angel is older than the the rest of the party member's age combined, including the one at the shop and the ranch
>yet she's only above 140cm tall and weighs less than 50kgs
should I be giving her milk or something?

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>>18030739
you should give her YOUR milk *wink wink*
she is a child of the wind. leave it at that.

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>>18030793
ok. but how do I get milk of my character? the wiki says drinking one myself won't work.

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>>18030811
>drinking one myself won't work.
wait, that's a mistype, I meant 'drinking a love potion myself'

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what should I get for the reward as completing the little sister quest? I was thinking about getting a cooler box but want to ask just in case.

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How many pets is too many?
>>18030871
I usually only do the little sister quest to get more Statues of Kuriromi

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>>18030871
I would save your precious rewards for statues of kumiromi, which give herb seeds and thus will be a huge help improving your stats later. Also kumi gem stones of rejuvenation. You can repeat the quest but need an extra little sister every time up to a max of 10 per reward. After getting the artifact swimsuit, you will also need to do the sister quest three more times in order to be able to trade in the suit twice and get it back after.

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>>18030889
*two more times

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>>18030886
one >:-)
anyway i usually stop expending after the fourth one. i want to make it seem like a dnd group you see. complete with balance. but its for personal taste- if you are asking, you probably have too many.

>>18030871
i aim for stuff like hero cheese, because there are only so many ways to paramently increase life force. i also once took the swimwear, just so i could get both upgrades from gevala.

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>>18030889
I never had a statue of kumiromi so that would be hard. Also I have no idea on what the latter half of your post is saying so I guess I'll abstain for now.

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can i just steal the tax box from the embassy instead of buying one for medals

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What items do you guys keep in your inventory?
What items do you guys keep in sstorage?

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>>18030886
I have eight pets in combat with me at all times, they're tagged and take up 4 spaces. Two melee+ranged duos, one tank team, and one wizard duo. We've made it to act 3 and are training to be able to survive five head gods and doggo. They've gotten to the point they almost never die. Take some time to balance the party and don't let one get too far ahead of the others, every once in a while check their resists, defenses and AP and focus on powering up the weakest one. More would be difficult (got 1 in shop, 2 in ranches, leaving 4 slots which I leave open for little sisters since max = 15)

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>another heart drops
so... which of the two evolution for the little sister is better?

>>18031041
Bunch of negative potions, one or two scroll of return, food, utility items(fishing rod, stethoscope, lockpicks, sleep sheep, cooking tool, etc.), 'junk items' that is used for fusion pot, and finally items that pets can sell(which will be handed out whenever I visit a place with an informer)

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>>18031025
I think it's precious, which means you can't steal it.

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>>18031068
>one or two scroll of return
Why not just carry around a full stack for convenience?

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>>18031068
>little sister
fug
I meant younger sister. keep getting confused.

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>>18031072
they're there just in case I run out of spell stock on return by forgetting to keep an eye on it

[Anonymous No.]

Why do my pets keep vomiting immediately after eating a stomafilia? I saw you fags in here saying this doesn't happen, but they're snacking on them from their inventory and apparently getting filled up too much because they immediately spew vomit everywhere. I have been tricked

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>mani wants to machenize the world so people will never hunger and won't need to sleep
but how will i train my staaaaaaaaaa-ts

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>>18031267
Don't worry, everything will be just fine.

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>>18031267
Machines in elona still seem perfectly capable of eating and sleeping.

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>>18031382
i know, im playing a golem.
i wonder what excatly mani have in mind.

[Anonymous No.]

Any other games like Elona?

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>>18031396
i heard good stuff about dwarf fortress on sandboxness.
in wackiness, katamari damachi maybe

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>>18031396
There's always Prospector and Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead if you want more sandbox roguelike stupidity.

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>>18031403
Dwarf Fortress is pretty Sandboxy in Dwarf Mode, adventure mode not nearly as much. You're still pretty restricted to just killing stuff in Adv. Mode though you can build structures you can't do anything with it yet.
>>18031409
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead and UnrealWorld are much more Elona like than DF in my opinion. I don't know enough about Prospector to really make a judgement about it.

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>>18031396
Rune Factory has some of the elements that make this game so enjoyable (crafting, grinding, farming, selling, beating ass, building your lil base, wife hunting) and is very comfy

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>>18031403
>>18031409
>>18031414
can you open a museum, or even a shop, in any pf those?

>>18031428
i like rf like any person with taste but be serious.

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>>18031434
In dwarf fortress you can open up museum or artificats and a tavern for adventurers to visit your fortress.

If you like your shit enough they'll petion for citizenship.

The games used to have economies in fort mode, but I think toady axed that since it was legit broken(Dwarves couldn't afford food and starved because by the time your fort could establish an economy all the chefs would make expensive masterwork dishes that no one could afford to eat).

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>>18031448
Oh, you can make zoo's in DF too as well as libraries that will attract scholars and stuff too.

And DF does have the trading depot, which is basically a shop where you trade goods you've made for other goods caravans bring in. The masterwork Dwarf Fortress human faction specializes in making hops to buy and sell help. The Orc faction in the mod has a similar system involving buying and selling slaves. This is all fort mode though.

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>>18031434
Decorating can be an important part of Fortress mode of Dwarf Fortress, since a masterwork table or a caged troll can help your dwarves forget about the hardships they face.

>>18031448
Economy was removed even before Elona existed, in the 2D era.

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>>18031459
>ince a masterwork table or a caged troll can help your dwarves forget about the hardships they face.
Also mist generators when you go down the rabbit hole of autism.

Or just exposing them to so much horrible shit they go dull inside.
>>18031459
>Economy was removed even before Elona existed
I'm pretty sure 40d jad economy and was 3D.

[Anonymous No.]

If Elona had the "morale" systems from Dwarf Fortress or Cataclysm it would be the comfiest game ever.

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>>18031534
It feels like it would just be another hurdle you'd overcome in initial stages of the game, like the lack of skills and low charisma. You'd likely stop really caring about anything before you even get your preferred weapon skill to 20.

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>>18031571
But imagine how happy your character would get from eating blessed steaks or sleeping in the best bed.

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>>18030055
Yes, she will keep trying to reapply her buffs once they run out
>>18030404
Interesting, so I could teach it Chaos Eye and have it shit out status effects out the wazoo then. Does chaos resistance affect the status effect application in any way?

[Anonymous No.]

How rare are rods of wishing? Haven't gotten any all September~October

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>>18031834
I've gotten 2 of them a few days ago, I think one from dungeon floor and one from magic seed

[Anonymous No.]

Someday I'll be motivated enough to get a mutant to Gavela before reaching level 3.

But not today.

[Anonymous No.]

What kinds of characters are most fun to play solo? I already figured that melee with support magic is probably the most involved playstyle, as ranged and magic users tended to devolve into spamming f/some spell to clear rooms. I like to play fairies (last character was a fairy caster, but my pets made Zeome so easy I wanted to restart solo), but that basically limits my weapon options to dual wielding daggers. Then there's the problem of finding a good PCC to match the character.

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>>18032911
Think I'm going with a predator with catsister PCC and roleplay some kind of catgirl, probably settling on long swords. Haven't decided if I will use the catsister race or a standard race with the class name changed so I don't miss a racial feat.

Also trying to think of some interesting "conducts" or restrictions I can follow on top of petless. So far I've decided not to kill NPCs, and not to use gene engineering (not using pets for combat but I will still use shopkeepers and probably keep a cook/tailor/carpenter as well once I get call familiar).

[Anonymous No.]

I had a dream where Jure was my girlfriend. I told a black angel right in front of her that I wanted to touch Jure-sama's legs. The angel asked "where" and I said "everywhere". Jure looked at me with an angry face and puffed cheeks.

[Anonymous No.]

Looking to get into Elona, the pastebin says custom spritesheets are optional, but recommended; what are some of your favorites, /jp/?

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>>18033709
Monstergirl, the one where everyone is naked.

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>>18032911
>dual wielding
there is also shield wielding (with shield bash maybe) and MA. or you can try some of the feats and rely on them for playstyle.

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>>18033709
Look in last thread and find the one Kai posted. It's probably a good spot to start since it's up to date and you won't have to do much. After that you can just do updates yourself as versions change and new monsters get added.

[Anonymous No.]

Living weapon at level 3 from a wandering adventurer for less than 10,000 gp.

How.

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>>18033801
Are living tonfa something that exists in the game? I'd assume not, since they only appear to be static artifacts but it would be neat

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>>18033709
>>18033778

Thanks for the recommendations. I hope to have a fun, prosperous time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18033811
I don't think so. Even beyond being static artifacts, they don't count as weapons - they're more along the line of shields. And only weapons can be living, I believe.

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>>18033801
Weapon price is based on how much shit (resists, stat/skill bonuses, special attack/spell procs) is on the weapon, the weapon's material, and the to hit/damage bonus.
Level 1 living weapons have pretty much no bonuses unless you get lucky, so adventurers will practically give them away. Apparently having the "living" attribute on the weapon means fuckall in terms of price.

[Anonymous No.]

I like Elona+. What are some games like Elona+?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18034101
what do you like in elona?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18034101
See:
>>18031414
>>18031409
>>18031428

[Anonymous No.]

>>18034104
The open world, role playing, D&D-like stat system, all the classes and species, the art style, the setting that's not quiet high medieval, the combat
But the combat can get a bit competitive at times

marriage is nice too

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>>18034108
>didn't include>>18031403
what do you have against DF?

>>18034115
try playing final fantasy 6 :P
anyway, most rpgs have plots. rune factory is close in terms there are rpg stat building elements but you are free to ignore the plot and just focus on your farm. not much for open world tough.
can you be more specific?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18034136
This is harder than I though.
I just want a game that I don't feel too locked in, have a decent amount of character customization, and waifus

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>>18034136
The first two words in one of those posts are "Dwarf Fortress".

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>>18034152
Cataclysm has it all except waifus, but you might be a little too free there, since you are left entirely to yourself in a world part dead, part undead.

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>>18034155
by that logic,
why include >>18031409
if you already included >>18031414
?

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>>18034152
might & magic was pretty open. not much in waifus tough.

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>>18034165
???

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>>18034188
the one who included df only did so by dishing it and saying how it hardly fits.

[Anonymous No.]

Can I wish for hermes blood?

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>>18034354
you can buy them for medals so I dont see why you'd want to but yes you could

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't notice I was "Poisoned bad!" instead of just poisoned... That was close.

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>>18034415
i have been on the verge of death before but never this close.

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>>18026403
Updated pastebins. Plenty of new stuff. I also rewrote some parts of the guide.
For now I just put a few videos in the new section, so people should post more links if they have them.

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>>18034415
What's the difference between poisoned and poisoned bad? What can you even do once poisoned. I had my fire dragon pet die from full health because the poison DoT wouldn't go away

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>>18029927
did you also give her a gamma core?

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>>18034429
I didn't realize surviving at 0 was possible. Must be a rounding error or something.
>>18034473
Poisoned bad! takes a long time to go away. In my case here it actually brought my hp down from the 90s all the way to 0. I recently just equipped the Ivy Spine so the weakened poison resistance certainly didn't do me any favors.
You can get rid of poison with Heal Light spell (or any stronger ones) or any hp healing potions (cure minor, cure critical, etc..)

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>>18034115
>>18034175
I second Might & Magic, specially VI-VIII. They're aren't super similar to Elona but should still be interesting. World of Xeen is also good if you end up liking those.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to lower the chance of ambushes on the world map? I'm only on North Tyris right now, and it's always a lv 1 ambush. It's just annoying

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>>18034787
Your chance of ambush increases the more cargo you have on you, and their level scales to your fame.

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>>18034802
I'm talking about the random monster ambushes, like being surrounded by putits and snails.

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>>18034787
1. remove cargo. sell it to traders.
2. remove cargo food. (eat bread instead)
3. raise travelling speed. training traveling will help in that regard, but seven league boots are optimal.

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>>18034833
I'm pretty sure that is influenced by the weather and whether or not you're on the roads.

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A guide on proper blackjack strategy, Elona style:

1. I'm going to assume all you want is the cure corruption potion. Frankly most other rewards are lackluster. At 8 wins or so you get a potion of potential, but desu it's too rare to matter, if you want potential you should just buy it from the magic shop after investing.

2. always play on lucky days. I'm going to assume you do this for the rest of the guide.

3. take a look at House's revealed card. Add 10. This is the number you're trying to beat.

4. stay on 18+. This is absurdly high in normal blackjack, but here with the luck redraws it's not so bad.

5. if you have 100+ dexterity, cheat when you need to. Note that the difficulty goes up for consecutive cheats, and it's never at 100% even if you have 2k dex. You can cast Hero before playing to get some extra dex.

6. bet 1 chip. 5 chip with surrenders isn't as good, I think.

7. if you get exactly 4 wins, cash out, and don't get a potion of cure corruption, change to a different table. There's a 1/3 or so chance of this happening per table, so just switch when you notice.

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>>18034429
One time I survived Loyter's stone with 0 HP after he ambushed me in that house with the trainer, informer and wizard. That was quite a surprise.

[Anonymous No.]

>sleepy in midnoon
>decides to stay awake till 9pm
>take a delivery quest
>overworld map
>"you take a nap"
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME

[Anonymous No.]

So has anyone found out what happened to the artist Haruekn or if they have a twitter?

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>>18034985
>lvl 46
>have only had 1 lucky day

[Anonymous No.]

Did claws ever get to the point where they can be rolled comparable to or better than tonfas or are you still going to just be using shield tonfa all game long as a martial artist?

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>>18035370
>shield tonfa
>0 bonus to hit
>20 bonus to damage
an adamantium claw of miracle quality can supress that.

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>>18035306
Dunno, but I recall saying that most elona art exists on pixiv rather than on places like danbooru, so I guess try pixiv?

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>>18035370
Considering it's like any other random gear it should be perfectly possible to get an earth claw {Gay Bandit} with multiple ####+ resists and huge dice. The hit/dmg rolls can be quite good. I don't know which special attributes claws can have though, haven't ever seen one with ''it decreases physical damage'' for example. Might be worth spending a lucky day on claw crafting.

[Anonymous No.]

what is 'it disturbs your growth' good for?

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>>18035417
In vanilla difficulty would be influenced partly by level and so it could be handy to keep your level low using disturbs growth gear. This is no longer the case, and even if it were you now gain levels so fast it'd barely have an effect.

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>>18035306
There is an artist by the name "haruken" who was active very recently, but all he draws is Love Live! with occasional FF14. Are you looking for somebody who was doing Elona art?

[Anonymous No.]

I just found my first Evo Heart, should I go ahead an evolve my little girl into a Valkyrie or try to get another heart and try to make? She's like level 28 and has been a physical specialist so I'm leaning Valkyrie. Is there any reason not evolve right away?

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>>18035696
Unless you really want a witch, no go ahead.

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>>18035696
afaik the earlier you do the evolution, the better, unless you have something planned.

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>>18035696
>float bit and 10 life
>vs rain of sanity and crystal spear
honestly i donnu. id go for the witch cuz thats more moe but... well, hows your current party balance? valky makes a better tank against melee enemies, but witch crystal spear is better offensively and rain of sanity can help against mind damage.

>>18035782
i disagree. evolutions can't be undone, and if there are multiple paths it might be wise to wait.

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>>18035793
>unless you have something planned.

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>>18035798
so, unless he has something planned he has to do the decision which path right here right now?thats wrong desu.
if you have something planned, than the decision is made now, weather to take or not.
if you have nothing planned, you can stave off so you won't regret it later till you make up your mind.

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>>18035816
I meant that in a way that unless he is envisioning a specific party and needs to wait for another heart to fit the little girl in that role, there isn't much to worry about evolving unless you have a lot of branching paths(since most allies have single evolution routes anyway) which significantly changes how it performs.
he said the little girl was a physical specialist so it would be fine to focus on that route and augment her with float and stat boosts, no?

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>>18035793
>>18035845
I mean, I already evolved her so it's a moot point now. I'm not sure how magic pets even work as my current character also doesn't know magic and apparently you kneed to be good at the spell to teach your pet shit anyway and my guy probably won't be able to cast competently for a LONG time.

Currently, she's my only other party member though I do have the Kaenada Bike+Goda warming the bench.

Granted, I should try balancing stuff out now. Since both me and the girl are melee with my only range being Distance attack from a living sickle I have in the ranged slot(character is specced into Axes)+potions.

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>>18035845
we waren't talking about this specific case, but on the general picture. evolving her to a path just because its the one avaialable right now isn't always the best course of events.

[Anonymous No.]

<Breakfast>
You come across a strange feast
a. Eat
b. Leave

what's this? Also, trick-or-treater appeared yesterday and threw molotovs in my kitchen, barely had enough potions to kill fire.

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>>18035868
When you get a ranged attacker, you could tag them with the lilgirl so they can catch up and one will always be attacking (gaining exp for both) even when closing in on the enemy from afar.

>>18035915
If you go to sleep between 8-11 and have a pet that loves you, they will make you breakfast in the morning which increases all stat potentials for everyone. Always eat it and go to bed on time.

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>>18035924
That's cute.

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>>18035915
im kinda curious. if you got this, it means one of your pets have cooking, but most don't have it unless you gene engineer it into them, and cooking pets to gene engineer are kinda rare so unless you were aiming for that.... which pet did cook for you? did you gene engineer it cooking or did it come with the skill?

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Can i change my race or still impossible?

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>>18035868
Yes, you do need 50 levels on a particular spell to even start teaching that spell only, but abilities are different. It requires a pet's particular stat to be enough to learn it. so if you have shadow step and raise will of your pet, the option to teach it will show up eventually.

>>18035894
oh. okay, that I can concede to some extent later on. but I still believe that at very early parts of the game this still has some stand. because unless you get really lucky you won't be getting machine/magic hearts faster than the standard evo heart(which can literally be bought out should one choose, regardless of costly payment)

but you objectively can't go wrong with little girl to valkyrie evo especially if she was the starter pet
fite me

>>18035924
wait, wasn't it 9-10 pm for guaranteed breakfast?

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>>18035951
Philosopher stone mask, but it's purely cosmetic.

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>>18035948
I went to Derphy not long ago and used gene engineering to upgrade my old and new pets, so they all got all that slaves have. I remember there being cooking slave too, who I bought several times. I think my little girl might have cooked the food for me, since I have "peer" relationship with her. It doesn't say in the log.

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>>18035967
Yes, the number of hours that you sleep is random (something like 8-12?) and you get breakfast from 5-11 I believe, so if you went to bed at 8 and happen to sleep the minimum of hours you'd wake up at 4 and miss it.

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>>18035984
>5-11am
I believe it's 5-9am, I slept over that time and woke up at 10am once and didn't get breakfast. did get the armor gift though.

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>>18035997
No wait, scratch that, I think it extends to 4am as well, I think I recall having breakfast at that time.

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>>18035967
ok i will
witch is better at dps and crowd control and is cuter.

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>>18035984
>>18035997
>>18036022
All this guesswork because nobody bothered to put the exact numbers for sleep and bfast on the wiki page. We love to complain when info isn't up to date but even when some code diver finds the answer, taking like half a minute to copypaste it onto there doesn't happen.

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>>18036036
>better at dps and crowd control
Which is fine since that's what the evo is aimed at, different specialization for different evos
>and is cuter
Maybe, but Valkyrie looks cooler than the witch
>shining armor and fluffy wings
>oh and she also literally floats in the air

>>18036088
Cute bird

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>>18036112
>that's what the evo is aimed
in other words, rather than valky being better, each got its charm points.
valkyrie looks cool and protects you as frontliner
witch looks cute and kill stuff from the back.
personally, i;d like to be the one protecting my little girl. but thats just me.

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>>18036036
>>18036112
Witch better dps? Not only does a witch split her attention between magic and melee, lowering the rate at which relevant skills level (so a valkyrie will always deal more damage in melee), she also starts with a low casting and will have to do major training in order for her magic damage to catch up to the melee damage she already had. But with the same amount of training, the valk could do even more damage. Crowd control yes, especially by teaching more spells, but dedicated caster pets would be better at that. Witch can fill more roles but doesn't excel at them like a specialist.

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>>18036148
physical damage is inferior to magical damage, since armor exists. also, raw damage is part of the crowd control thing. a witch can kill whichever critter in her sight, valkyrie has to close in on it to kill it. by the time valkyrie has closed in to deal her resisted physical damage, witch could cast 2-3 crystal spears and even if none of those catches more than one enemy, over all she wins the dps.

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody tried hiring adventurers? How much worse/better are they than regular pets?

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>>18036179
Incorrect due to the low initial casting. When I changed my little girl into a witch, she was doing 80 damage with her spears while she did thousands with her sword. Now let's say it takes 10 hours to train her spears so they also do 1000 damage. If you had spent those hours on her melee, she'd have multiplied her damage several times over. What you're saying would only apply if upon evolving, her casting was at a level that even remotely approached her melee. Also she and her enemies will always close into melee, and she will not cast spears that often unless you change her AI. So a large portion of the time she will do subpar melee with a lower skill level due to time spent playing catchup for her magic.

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>>18036221
since when does casting affect damage from spells ? well, its correct that after you spent your gametime with her basic form her melee related stats will be greater while stats lke mag, assuming you didnt give her fruits any time she got hungry, would be lower, but that only assuming. if you bought 2 little girls at the slave market, gave them both plenty gifts and evolved on lvl 1, the one turned witch will be the stronger one. and in the long run, if you made a copy of your current little girl and evolve each twin difrently, the witch will win out simply because she will be using crystal spear much more often than valky using melee.

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I just found the <Nightmare> during while doing a quest. I read on the wiki it can also be used as a throwing weapon. Should I use it as a short sword or a throwing weapon? Do pets able to do throwing?

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>>18036363
it isn't a short sword any more than stones are clubs.
depending on AI, some pets will use only ranged attacks, some only melee and some mixed. if your pets don't use their ranged weapon, they won't throw nightmare either.

on a side note, mixed attackers should use throwing rather than bows or guns since both melee and throwing rely and train tactics.

>>18036210
yeah, they are great at the begining but eventually your pets will supress them.

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>>18036361
Casting is the only thing that affects spell damage for pets, unlike for the player where it affects success rate (which is static 95% for pets.

Regarding armor, for melee pierce % and crits also exist and armor will never fully protect them. Enemies have magic resist that raises at a constant rate as enemies level too, so it's not like magic bypasses that unless you're at very low levels where most enemies don't have resists (in which case discussion is moot). About closing in, that's why melee pets can really use shadowstep from Leold.

By the time all skills are at the cap you will be right, because a mage will simply be hitting more enemies more times per combat. But melee multi-hits are also a thing and last I heard martial arts reigns supreme with timestop twohanders behind, making them the best for single targets.

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>>18035392
>>18035669
I think he means Harusame, also known as Rueken, his pixiv one day simply vanished, and he was one of the best elona artists out there.
Most of his works can be found in danbooru.

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>>18036414
shadow step isn't used as often as one would like, ,agic damage supress everything melee besides MA, yet MA isn't that great early on either, and is still not as usefull as aoe attacks for pets. if you kill an enemy in a single turn and aoe kills everything ina single turn- not cuz its as strong as meelee but because melee is overkill than aoe is overall doing more damage.

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>>18036524
That's true, that logic is universal in this game. As long as you put in enough time, any pet with attack type can defeat anything so it's really a matter of hitting as many enemies as possible at once. However as you get to mid level dungeons and later the void, you will start bumping into more and more enemies that take a hefty beating to kill and only get stronger.

Really the main point of the discussion is 1: Switching over from one attack type to another requires you to train from the ground up making the pet weaker than they would have been if they had stuck with a single thing
2: Most players stick with the little girl until they find their first heart, so she will have high melee skills and stats and low magic and casting, making point 1 a problem for the witch

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>>18036574
point 2 is kinda depends.
1. evo heart can be turned into another heart so players can go that path as soon as they get heart, and magic heart from fort of chaos isn't that hard to acuire.
2. str will build up if she gets to kill alot, sure, but some players don't really let their pets much time to display their skills. if you give her a diet of fruits and candies, give her control magic to better survive your own AoE spells or even throwing random potions on her and her mag stat is trained. you can even (magic) kiss her for rp porpuses. if your little girl doesn't get to polish her combat skills because either you or the rest of your pets are taking all the action, a chearing littler girl might actually be a wiser choice than a charging valkyrie that isn't cheering as much- which is why you might be getting a littler girl.

i guess that when facinga single powerfull enemy, valkyries will bring it down faster than witches.

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>>18035379
>>18036382
>>18036524
>supress
Not usually one to knock a guy for a typo but that's three times, man. The word you want is ''surpass'' as in to rise above it, suppressing something means keeping it down or subdued.

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>>18036757
Noted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18036123
>implying that you would not smile proudly at the little girl as she shadow steps into the enemies face buffed up as hell and turn into a whirlwind of gore

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>>18036825
im not saying a devilish girl isn't moe, i just prefer a loli that looks upon me in admiration when single handadly kill any monster that dare approach her.
...so i say, but the only loli in my current party is me.

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>>18036845
Aren't little girls lolis? Or are they a bit older?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18036882
I'm the guy who started it an my Valkyrie is like 13 after one year of play, so I'd say definitely

[Anonymous No.]

>>18036845
You know what you must do, Anon.
It's time to conquer the world with your loli army.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18034802
>>18034840
Cargo does not affect ambush chances.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is tailoring garbage now

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037188
Ano decided to fuck crafting because fucking living weapons wasn't enough for him.
RIP the good ol' days of holding down enter and shitting out a million artifact lightsabers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037209
I wanted to craft armour for my pets honestly

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>>18037109
On Ano's blog a long time ago he mentioned that cargo increases the chance of encountering bandits although even without cargo you still could meet them. A bunch of people were trying to find ways to avoid encountering them because they were tough. Not until recently has there been a direct change to their actual scaling where they will be capped at lv 50 from the sounds of it next patch.

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>>18037214
Hope you've got a good stock of evo hearts and stardust (what the fuck ano), because otherwise that shit isn't happening.
I am so fucking mad. Why is Ano going out of his way to fuck what isn't broken?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037109
They're talking about bandits while the person they're responding to is actually talking about just random encounters with random monsters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037188
Tailoring is great. Need stardust for it but you can make any armor you want now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037214
You could massacre people at party time quests or ranch a creature that drops an artifact in order to get stardust, with the rare loot trigger the drop rate was increased by an obscene amount after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037268
Cargo doesn't affect any of those.

>>18037255
Bad post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037330
fucc u

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037330
It does with bandits. Ano made mention of it awhile back on his blog that it increases the chance of meeting them but even without cargo you could still meet them. People were talking about how bandit encounters were tough and trying to find ways to avoid them. There scaling is being addressed next patch where it sounds like they're going to be capped at lv 50.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037344
>There scaling is being addressed next patch where it sounds like they're going to be capped at lv 50.
Shame, stomping high level bandits is fun.

[Anonymous No.]

For those who don't use Custom AI, when you teach your pet special actions with Leold and they don't seem to use them, lower their movement chance (also at Leold). When in combat they will usually move towards ideal range and then use innate abilities/attack. However if they don't move, they will roll for an ability (including new ones). So basically if you reduce movement chance to 30% on a little girl you only gave shadowstep, 30% of the time she will walk towards her target, and the other 70% she will shadowstep towards it if she can. My axeman pet had movement at 100% and thus never used it, now he is shadowstepping all over the place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037488
>My axeman pet had movement at 100% and thus never used it, now he is shadowstepping all over the place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18035395
I have one

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037307
>>18037323
Didn't know that thanks
guess I'll try the ranch option, which pet would be the best for that?

Only thing I remember off the top of my head is Silver Eyed Witches and Rouge Archers (which I can get from the Slaver Master in Derphy).

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037850
Crabs drop the shell

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037856
Shit I'm retarded, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037867
Also, drakes drop the blue rod and asura drop something, but I forget what.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone comment on how well (or badly) dual wield compares in damage to two hand in the late game on average? (As in, not on an 8 armed mutant or something)
I seem to remember Two hand handily wins in damage output but I've been away from the game for about 2 years so I'm not sure if anything's changed since.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037816
>It decreases your investing skill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037884
dual living lightsabers were better than two handed with multi attack and crits/a good invoke

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037884
Surely dual wield would be better just for the ability to have the effects of one more piece of equipment on regardless, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037988
Nope. I did my own testing and didn't see that. Wonder what Kai has to say about it with the enemies he killed in the void.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037951
So?

[Anonymous No.]

Do NPC mutants get level up limbs like the PC does?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037884
Magic, two hand, and MA can hit for 2 million or more damage deep in the void rather consistently. Dual wield on a normal two hand person can reach those numbers but is very inconsistent about it. Normally the damage is lower than 2 million. The problem with dual wield is that it is very dependent on whether you proc your invokes whether it be time stop or some other sort of invoke like gravity sphere or darkness bolt. If you don't proc them your damage is really going to suffer for it. A multihanded mutant however can get around this by upping their chances of procing stuff due to the amount of hits it can do so dual wield shines with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038183
All mutants do, including Little Sisters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038229
Is there any hard-cap on slots whatsoever or can you create some kind of supreme abomination by feeding it dozens of mutants?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038269
>create some kind of supreme abomination by feeding it dozens of mutants?
Good fucking lord.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038278
Wiki says that mutant slots are engineerable after all, and you can now have pets ride you, so you could create a little sister with like 15 in every growable slot (before she grows her own slots) and then have her ride you around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038302
Now that I think about it, gene engeering will probably level her up so getting all the slots might not be possible, even with tons of Descent pots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038302
>create a little sister with like 15 in every growable slot

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038269
There is. I read somewhere before that 30 is
the hard cap for slots.
27 is the max archievable number of slots in game (without explicit cheating).
And for pets, there is little reason to go over 20, since their inventory accept only 20 items.
I don't know if making last 7 to be fists and fighting unarmed is feasible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038424
>absolutely no fun allowed
God damn it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038187
Thank you. This is what I was looking for. Seems to be consistent with what I remember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038424
Shoot and ammo don't really contribute much on their own unless you use them, so that's at least two slots you could leave empty. I have no idea how the unarmed thing works, but isn't one of the strongest mutation stategies to stack timestop weapons anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a mutation that lets you see invisible enemies? I am not wearing any gear with the see invisible attribute, yet I can see pumpkins. I don't see anything relevant under my feats, under the mutation or equipment sections.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038466
Is it raining, is there a water floor, or did they get hit by a potion, step on a puddle or get hit by a water bolt/spell?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038466
Enemies that have the "wet" status will be visible to player regardless of whether or not they have innate visibility.
If you suspect that a pumpkin is on a tile, toss a potion on that tile and douse the pumpkin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038466
Being wet cancels invisibility. Is this a water-filled floor?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038480
>>18038483
>>18038486
I don't remember. It's happened a few times, including in a dungeon, but I didn't think about that so maybe it was a flooded floor. I'll try to remember next time I see it.

[Anonymous No.]

>Get pumped and go fight Yerleswood
>It blows through my 4000MP barrier in one turn
There is no shame in running away to fight another day

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038492
Yerleswood is a bastard.
Thankfully he has only melee attacks, so abusing emergency evasion on top of your usual layer of buffs really helps.
The real problem is that the fucker builds rapidly builds meter. Yerleswood's meter release attacks don't give a shit about DV/PV and will almost always send you into crit health if not outright kill you, so don't forget to manage his meter appropriately.
Yerleswood's melee hits (and meter releases) also get hugely boosted by Boost, which means that he'll be shitting heavy damage whenever he lands a hit. Remove Boost with megid flame or that one buff remover item (looks like an orange rectangle) to prevent him from taking a big shit.
Yerleswood's biggest weakness is that he's a slow fat fuck with only 350 speed (further boosted by Boost). Use every speed buff (speed spell, lulwy's trick, gamma core, etc.) you can to stay on top on him and layer damage. Outspeeding Yerleswood also gives you more breathing room to heal and reapply buffs.

Good luck, Yerleswood ain't easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038536
Also, Yerleswood has the cArmour bitflag which reduces physical damage by 75%, so don't bother trying to win a melee duel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038549
Also, bring a shitload of fully charged mana rods. At least ten.

/autistic rant

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038536
>>18038549
>>18038562
Thanks for the briefing boss, this is good intel

I can use pressure to take care of his meter but it will take a lot of MP, possibly sending me in the danger zone (barrier offline). The buff remover item I believe is called Ohuda, and is supposed to be one of those paper talismans except orange? I got a large group of big guys (female), we can run circles around him and took him to 3/4 health, but when I took a bad hit I bolted outta there. We're evacuating to wife base for now, I'll come back for his fat ass later

[Anonymous No.]

What should I be adding onto this living weapon? This month the noteworthy choices are
>enchant +4 (thinking I should use this until I've maxed out the enchantment through normal means)
>chaos damage
>STR +11
>increased piercing attack chance
So far I added nerve damage and massive damage to dragons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038603
>thinking I should
*shouldn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038603
Stick with one element. I've mixed elements before and realized it was dumb, your combat log just gets filled with tiny amounts of damage as they all get resisted. With all upgrades stacked on one element however, the damage multiplies and gets way higher than even that of the weapon itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038579
Pressure should be a last resort. Abuse the fuck out of Disturbance to keep his meter below 100%.
IIRC, he can't pull out the big dick instant death meter release if he's not at 100% or more, so you can stall his meter to be just under 100% so he can't take a shit.
With Disturbance, you usually want to use a 100% bar Disturbance to take a big chunk out of his bar, then use smaller 30% - 40% Disturbances to keep his bar manageable.
Ohuda/Megid Flame is very important, you want Boost off the fat fuck ASAP whenever it shows up. An unboosted meter attack is dangerous, but a boosted meter attack is almost always lethal.
Again, I can't stress enough the importance of mana rods. Magic is your shield, your biggest source of utility, and your main source of damage in this fight. If you go into the fight without rods, you WILL run out of momentum and Yerleswood will start raping your team.
This is just personal preference, but I feel like barrier might be a bad choice for this fight. You can easily come back from a bad hit to full HP with a well leveled healing spell (Cure of Jua, healing rain, etc.), but replenishing your mana to full MP after taking a heavy hit to your mana bar is much more difficult. Like I said though, that's just personal preference. Changing AP traits is a big hassle, so don't feel as though you have to do it just to beat a specific boss.

The reward for beating Yerleswood is pretty nice, so nail that fucker as soon as you can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038629
That makes sense. Nerve is fine to stick to, right? Magic is good in early game and I've heard nerve is good later, but by then I'll probably have moved onto a better weapon.
Having to wait an entire year to add more nerve (if I understand the way living weapons work now) would be silly though, so I guess I should go for the +STR or +pierce chance for now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038665
You don't always have to wait a year, you can +enchant to change the selection to the next ''in the list'', which goes through all of them and loops around. You can only do that a limited number of times though unless you somehow disenchant, so if you're doing that better level it all the way to Lv10 in that month or be forced to wait anyway.

I wouldn't recommend stats like STR, they mean less the further you get. I'm not sure how the pierce stacks up against just more elemental damage, since it's an invoke that only has a chance of activating giving you one good hit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038466
>>18038480
>>18038483
>>18038486
>>18038491
I assumed you guys were right about it being wet, so I went ahead and got the Sage's Helm. Just ran into a pumpkin in a hunting quest, confirmed it is not wet and nothing has happened to it so far (it spawned on screen), took the helm off and... I can still see it.

Can someone try doing the same the next time you find an invisible enemy? If it loses visibility when other people take their equipment off, then I guess I really do have some kind of undocumented mutation and just wasted my medals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038690
Triplecheck your gear, you might have sInvis on the second page on one of your randarts or something, or might have forgotten your lucky dagger perhaps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038690
Proof.

>>18038705
Checked once again. No gear with see invis, nothing relevant listed in the feat menu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038313
give potions of descent to whatever you are engineering into her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038690
That's weird. Invis functions normally on my side. Cute cat

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038726
is that a puppy or a pumpkin? puppys are not invisible

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038787
You mean pumpkins. Puppies are the invisible ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038726
low level pumpkins aren't inherently invisible.

[Anonymous No.]

i noticed that in pam and noyel there is an empty altar during panic/challange quests, but in valm the altar is gone during those quests. why is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18038787
>>18038794
Forgot about that, I'm an idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do puppies look like pumpkins?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039002
What makes you think it's not the opposite?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039002
Why are they the only one named after a mammal? Why are they invisible? Why are pumpkins NOT invisible, but greater pumpkins are? How do what are essentially large fruits pick up and throw potions? Where do they get their potions? What are they trying to accomplish? I am not going to sleep tonight

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039232
>mammal
i think they wanted to type 'poppy' but it was lost in translation
>greater
its an upgrade. they got an upgrade after evolving.
>how
they spew them from their mouth.
>where
they mix them inside their empty head with the haloween spirit.
>what
revenge probably.
>sleep
its a game anon.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm missing some skills on my little girl. I think I have all the ones from slave trader but might be missing some.
Mining, Carpentry, Tailoring, Sense Quality, Fishing, Greater Evasion, Anatomy, Gardening, Magic Capacity, Riding, Control Magic, Swimming
Anyone know who I should get to gene engineer these skills onto my little girl?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039362
swimming at least can be gained from frogs and varios amphibians.
also, you missed some like tailoring and riding
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Slave_master
my suggestion, take your gene machine, a rod of domination and go hunt for test subjects in the puppy cave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039377
>http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Slave_master
Thanks for the link. Must have been pretty recent that table got added to that page, I never saw that before.

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of slave master, how come some of the slaves don't contribute their skills when I try to use them as fodder? Does it depend on whether they have their skills from a "natural" source like their class or race? Specifically why Nurse doesn't give her Cooking to others, but Rogue Wizard dies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039592
nurse has cooking?
no, don't tell me shes a cleric so she has cooking. show me it from informer eyes.

[Anonymous No.]

I just saw a fallen soldier get drunk, annoy an old lady and get killed by said lady in palmina

[Anonymous No.]

I have a few random questions.
How high should I invest in shopkeepers? The magic vendor, general store, and the blacksmith in Vernis are all over level 100 right now. How high should I get them? What should I do with all this money, if not to invest in shopkeepers?
How many pets should I have? I currently have 5 pets, 3 melee and 2 ranged.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039721
>How high should I invest in shopkeepers?
this could be helpful.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Investing

[Anonymous No.]

Wow this might be the best non-miracle item I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039721
no shop really needs to be more than 100ish rank black markets used to have a use but they max out at 200 rank

the best money sink after your stores are ranked up is probably treasure maps from souvenir shops, waiting for a lucky day to read and dig up the staff has a pretty good chance of giving you godly gear

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039812
does blessed maps / treasure mchines have better equipment than regular ones?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039823
for blessed maps I am unsure but if you dont read them they stack up like anything else so its trivial bless them

For treasure machines I believe it only matters where you use them, you will get better stuff if you take them into a higher level dungeon than if you use them in a town

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039844
what about my home?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039846
likely the same as using them in a town, not great

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I find rod of wishing? Dungeons?

[Anonymous No.]

Are fairies and golems still the most popular races by far?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039864
well, i heard that mining is lousy at town but at house it depends on house rank. what about other deeds? if i have a deed of dungoen and fill it with tough monsters, do i get better treasures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039954
Popular maybe but the the strongest players who have posted their characters for some reason don't play as them. I'm also surprised that there is no halfway decent mutant character posted.

[Anonymous No.]

I never really paid attention to what is happening during party time quests, mostly just staring at my character everytime.
I did not notice what exactly was happening until now
>people are literally eating or drinking anything, including things that is downright harmful
>and die to it
>like seriously why are people chugging sulphuric bottles and motolovs
>isn't lomias supposed to be running?
>people barf and starve to death
and these kinds of parties are supposedly held everyday in palmina?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040025
Irreversible, RNG limbs are frankly awful design in a game where you sink as much time into your character as in Elona, even if the idea of a nonstandard limbs player race is a good one. Messy interactions with the body modification NPCs too, like Gavela who can give you an absolute shitload of limbs but only if you beeline the main quest at the lowest level possible, or Icolle who will irreversibly ruin your character for the low cost of 1 life. Also having a halfway decent mutant is practically considered cheating.

But really I think it ultimately boils down to one thing: People playing Elona like to have a plan for their character, and being a Mutant takes away that luxury.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040090
part of the fun in elona is how chaotic it is, and mutants are the most chaotic races.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040110
They're not chaotic enough, really. Mutants are way too permanent, permanent to the point that when you roll a third neck at level 9 you know you're going to be stuck with that garbage for the rest of a potentially hundreds of hours long game, unless you reroll or savescum or character edit. If they worked like a Jiyva character in DCSS, where nothing is permanent and their bodies never stop changing, I think they'd be much better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040136
>neck is garbage
i beg to differ. the arbalast is great for ranged, and the blue shell is my prefered god signals equipment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040069
It's not a party if no one dies, Anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040167
The first one of any given slot is generally good because there are usual key utilities to be derived through that slot, or just like one really good item you may have found that happens to go there. Overall though utilities are something you can switch between, and neck slot is statistically one of the weakest by a wide margin. One neck is fine or even good, a second neck is questionable, a third neck and you're basically taking a loss on the complicated body penalty as a race that has no benefits other than its slots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040167
>>18040192
The point isn't even whether it's good or not though, it's the simple fact that you're stuck with it forever. Having a bunch of necks could and probably is very cool, but having a bunch of necks while you have, say, no boots cloak or ring is probably going to get old.

If I were to make one change to mutants, I'd just give them a dream every week that causes them to gain one random new limb and lose their oldest limb. This way you never have to worry about being "stuck" with a certain set of limbs, and because it's a dream you even have the option of preserving a combination of limbs you like at the cost of not sleeping.

I'd also probably get rid of complicated body for mutants but that's a different issue issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040235
its still the most unique of all playable races in a game that is 50% unique.

[Anonymous No.]

>Elin is becoming much like Elona in terms of gameplay and atmosphere lately.
What did Noa mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040235
One morning, after a lifetime of constant warping of her body, mutant-chan felt off. What an odd dream. She felt herself up. Two arms, two legs, hands, one head and neck, could it be? The dream was real. Today was the day. The day that purely by chance, mutant-chan finally got a normal body. Having become a normal girl at last, she absolutely wasn't going to give it up. She could never sleep again. Some say that to this day she is a NEET drinking coffee 24/7, sitting in front of the computer

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040352
It's definitely the most unique. I'd go as far as saying it's the only unique player race (other than snail), considering the rest are just differences in stat variables. That does not, however, mean that mutants are not in a bad spot nor does it mean that they can't be fixed while preserving their uniqueness.

I mean, you still starve to death as a goddamn lich. That speaks volumes for how little work has been put into the player races.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040529
i think fairies sur[ass snails in uniqeness, but yeah most of the races were normalized

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040069
Sulfuric is a national drink in North Tyris. You are bound to see townspeople drink it randomly even outside of Party Time!

Maybe it's just an extension of Nefian psychosis, since hostile NPCs also do it at times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040501
This just sounds really comfy to me. Being able to just play with what mutant gives me over the years and eventually arriving at something I'm happy with. You could spend like season with a shitload of feed purely incidentally, then mutate them all away before you start missing having access to helmets or aurora rings.

[Anonymous No.]

How relevant is Elea's halved mana reaction? Is it actively useful in any way or just a way to help prevent accidental suicides?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040724
*can still use spells after mana burst
*good way to train healing
*training magic capacity increase will
*has effectibely larger mana pool than other races. races who supress it in mana will still succumb depends on capacity skill
*doesn't fear mp drains as much as other races

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040767
That sounds pretty good. There are enemies that attack you with mana reaction too, right?

[Anonymous No.]

is it just me or is the regeneration buff protects vs bleedong? can regenation completly prevents bleeding?

[Anonymous No.]

If I give my pet some equipment that negates effect of sleep, will it be okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18037513

[Anonymous No.]

Elona music is just so comfy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040529
I wonder how hard it is to actually modify Elona, on a base level as to make an entire new race.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040485
You can even tell from the last video.
I'm not too happy about this, I love Elona, but I wanted Elin to be something different.

[Anonymous No.]

how can i change an ally sprite to another static sprite?

[Anonymous No.]

What race/class should I go when running necromancy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039890
Yes, dungeons. Also sometimes as a reward from anything from the request board that gives a rod as reward.

[Anonymous No.]

>decides i want an older dog sister
>grind a bit in arcbalc
>ok grind a lot, i had little more than half the req tickets
>get diary, read it
>she is younger than me
>thought of eating an age return lunch but decided that readjusting my weight and height would be too much of an hassle
>younger dog sister it is. naming is easy.
>slave master, give her as many skills as i can
>decides to give her the tie up shop feat, buy a shop deed and put her there.
>give her a gift from time to time to raise her affection while she is works on her marchentile skills
>...
>she is an anubis now but still only 3/4 of the way of getting her first shopkeeper skill

fucking shops.

[Anonymous No.]

>got a potion of cure corruption
>travel to Noyel
>Pael is sleeping
>Whistle
I feel kind of bad, but beggars can't be choosers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18041808
You could perform instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18041808
>>18041826
i prefer brainwa- preaching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18041826
I don't usually walk around with instruments.

>>18041834
This would be a better alternative I guess, I didn't know preaching waked up people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18041847
it also trains fate and satisfy people at party time. the only plus i think performer has on it is that preformer people throw you stuff like gems and shoes.

[Anonymous No.]

>just cleared a dungeon, overweight carrying some heavy shit
>walking towards the wizard to identify it all
>He dies by unseen hands
Oh, fuck you too.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys think about this?
https://www.tomenet.eu/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18042014
>multiplayer fantasy dungeon exploration game based on the works of J.R.R. Tolkien
>based on the works of J.R.R. Tolkien
D R O P P E D

[Anonymous No.]

>>18042014
>ascii
I could be playing DF, if I wanted ascii games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18041566
Interact -> Shape change, make sure the sprite you want is 48x48 24-bit bmp with a solid background, saved in elona/user/graphic as pic_1, pic_2 etc up to pic_16. Pic_17 onwards are reserved for 48x96 big sprites. If you did everything and it doesn't show when selecting, restart the game.

General info https://pastebin.com/uAVqeTbz

[Anonymous No.]

Does domination works on percentages, or is it hard-capped?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18042014
A multiplayer *band variant, the ''multiplayer'' element being simply a chat/server messages? Is it related to the series of games that led to that abomination tome4? Why would I play this when I could play PosChengband, or actual Angband?

[Anonymous No.]

37 hours in I don't feel like my character is getting anywhere fast. Gave my little girl cooking and been using that to help get back my stat potential but they're absolute shit so I have a long ways to go. Have a feeling my skills are shit because I'm letting the little girl do all the killing. I get the feeling she barely puts up with me.

See Kai's let's play and decide to watch it to reaffirm that my situation is normal. Skip to episode 6 to see how he's doing. He ends the video with max potential in all stats, skills all near max potential, and his little girl giving him chocolate. Is that normal for 6 hours? Have I been playing this game wrong this whole time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18042321
The more familiar you are with the way everything works, the more efficient you can be. It's only natural that a guy like that, with over a thousand hours played, gets shit done many times as fast. The good part is you can just mimic what he does and save yourself from the long road of trial and error.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18042321
You are just playing how everyone did at first. One thing that took me a lot of time was trying to evaluate the items I got, and the many trips to Wikia to see what is what, even though I have played this game some years ago, but so much changed that I have to keep up with the changes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18041615
The only thing necromancy depends on are the alchemy and anatomy skills.
Try to choose someone with them, although they not that hard to level from scratch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18041473
As long as Elin isn't turn-based, it won't feel like Elona, much like Fallout 3 felt nothing like Fallout 1 and 2.
Same setting different beasts it'll be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039823
>>18039844
Blessed maps don't give better items.

>>18040235
You should propose that to Ano.

>>18041150
That doesn't affect normal sleeping.

>>18042321
He has already played the game for almost two thousand hours before.

>>18042313
At least ToME4's chat is good.

>>18042959
It's more like because Fallout 3 is first-person while 1 & 2 are third-person. Elin looks pretty much like Elona with better graphics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18032151
The Gavela dream is dead.

>>18041387
Best people to ask would be any of the E+C modders, and/or just read their repository, probably. Based on what I've seen said in the archive, game modification isn't that difficult if you know can read/modify the source.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18042959
It is turn based by the looks of the last showcase video he posted on youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043194
>>18042959
It was mechanically turn-based either way, "real time" in this game was simply the turns being automated, I think. Movement definitely still happened on a grid. Also it pauses everything whenever he opens a menu.

For that reason, whether it's turn-based or not could theoretically just be implemented as game setting. I think it would be one way to add a lot more difficulty because people couldn't just contemplate the safest possible action every given move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043224
One thing to keep in mind, though, is that Speed couldn't be implemented as elegantly in an auto-turn type system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043091
>You should propose that to Ano.
I probably would if I could speak japanese. Has he taken suggestions from the english community before? Mutant has been unchanged for so many years that I'm not terribly optimistic without making some kind of proof of concept first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043326
At least 2 anon have posted stuff on the Japanese wiki concerning bugs in the past. They both had to do their submission in Japanese and maybe use a proxy. From what it seems the two submissions were read and replied to by Ano and the bugs did get fixed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040235
Well that's an interesting take on a mutant. Can't really be a spell casting mutant though if you can't sleep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043507
Spellcasters arguably care a lot less about their slot composition anyway, but that's admittedly not something I took into account. Sleep isn't central to the idea though, it's just what came to mind for an elegant and code-light implementation because it simply packaged the entire thing into a different clock that conveniently mutant NPCs don't care about.

That said, keeping a body should probably be rather costly anyway because having a not awful set of slots AND more slots than usual is a very big advantage. The goal isn't just to make high-end bodies achievable, it's also to make playing with an imperfect body less awful (because it won't be awful all the time).

Then again maybe an NPC that will just reroll all your mutation slots for a bunch of cure corruptions or some other rare item is better. Slightly adjusting your equipment loadout every few days would probably get very tedious.

[Anonymous No.]

>equip an artifact bow to get 30 Marksman for rampage
>it already out damages my 2x tonfa
Why is being MA so suffering?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043687
To weed out people that aren't in it for the long run. Those people are better off playing something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043698
That's a good point. As long as MA doesn't get nerfed in the future, it will eventually™ git gud.

[Anonymous No.]

Since we're on the topic of MA, Is there a reason why multi-hit doesn't work with claws/tonfas other than the way they're treated as shields? Would it way too strong even considering the MA grind?

[Anonymous No.]

If I get a second yacatect God medal from the little sister quest, do I get 20 platinum per month or will I still only be able to get 10 coins 1/month

[Anonymous No.]

>>18042257
thanks for the info, tough i decided after all to use the non-static option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18040235
normal mutations already come and go during sleep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043831
They will share a cooldown, so only once a month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043889
That's one of the reasons why it seemed thematically appropriate for mutants to work the same way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043892
Statue of farming god it is, thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043770
Do you want the possibility that MA users on top of all the damage they do also timestop and use gravity sphere? Don't answer that question. No just no. #monstergirllivesmatter

[Anonymous No.]

>>18042321
Use his videos as a learning tool like I do. I'm glad he got around to doing those videos. A lot of the guides out there like on the wiki are obsolete and there's just some concepts you don't understand unless you're shown it.

[Anonymous No.]

Well, that was easy. Fight didn't even last 15 seconds of real time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043961
how did you get their gauges so high so fast?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043972
No idea actually. Usually I have to spam the Taktstock for that, but I didn't use it once this fight. Might've been killing all those infected soldiers at once in the beginning of the fight

[Anonymous No.]

i didn't reazlize how nice duplicane is untill i got a rod of bubble ball.
throwing potions?
sage helm?
fuck you, i got bubble ball!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044042
Wait till you fight the pumpkin that's invisible and likes to cast teleport right after he snipes a potion reducing all your stats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044092
>dimensional fishing

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044114
>It's a bomb rock

[Anonymous No.]

How many people here play other roguelikes besides Elona? And how many only play Elona?
I like roguelikes in general, but Elona has great grinding, even if it's not a truRoguelike in normal mode which I play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044162
>bubble ball!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043961
I'm stuck on the super regen bit. Hopefully rampage helps
>>18044173
I like brogue, poschengband, dwarf fort, very rarely sil and some other small ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044173
Elona is the only one I play. I like (some) roguelike mechanics but I don't like pure roguelikes. I guess I like RPG with roguelike elements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044185
>Summon more bomb rocks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044238
how?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043326
A guy suggested being able to hide spells and it was implemented in the following update.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044173
Absolutely adore One Way Heroics myself. Love the atmosphere and feel which I really like in Elona as well.

I guess FTL counts as well?

Can't really say I play many others as I'm pretty picky with aesthetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044173
I play just about everything /rlg/ plays, but Elona is my favorite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044320
This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044319
Neither of those count

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044173
Maidensnow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044350
I want to play that one very soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044354
Just remember to buy bread from the cat.

[Anonymous No.]

Hours of harvesting vegetables aside, Kai's LP has been pretty enlightening. Speaking as someone who has never successfully made it to the point of sustainable potentials.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044335
Then the closest (I think) I have is mystery dungeon stuff like Shiren The Wanderer.

but honestly, I don't really know what exactly constitutes a roguelike anyways. It seems like a term that's been thrown around more often after recent successes in the genre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044424

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044350
what is this and how will i know when it will be in english?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044512
/hgg2d/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044518
???

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044520
on the videogame generals board, 2d hentai games general

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044499
That's handy, but even Elona is still an arguable Roguelike huh? It's a way stricter genre than I thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044527
mostly because it has a mode where death is permanent but also a mode where death isn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044530
ToME4 has that too, yet it's in roguelikes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044512
Roguelike hentai game that is completely playable just for the gameplay, and it has a pretty good TL already too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044532
well i'm sure there's other deciding factors, i've not played ToME so i have no idea

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044523
...a hentai rougelike?
so now i need to go there as well as here?

...any general idea of a the date where an english version of out?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044559
Ok, This is coming from somebody trying to get into Elona (Keep dying from starvation from them damned hunger demons)- but is somewhat savy when it comes to other Rougelikes (Or an arguable rougelike according to >>18044499 , Cataclysm, Dark Days Ahead).

Go grab MSE over on /hgg2d, just download it and READ the readme included- becuase the developer did 2 things, 1, a test to see if nerds read the readme- and how to enable the partial translation.

Be warned, the translation is kinda wonky (It keeps referring to the character, Eve by her Last(?) name of Roland) But other than that its totally playable. Also a weird example of somebody making a semi- rougelike on RPG maker engine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044527
>>18044527
The defining factor between the two groups appears to be a central victory condition. None of the games on the "arguable" side (except Elona, sort of) are about completing a specific goal and the game ending.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044589
Roland is a better name for her anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

when you guys are looking to grind a small number of skills, do you keep all of their potentials up, or do you focus one and keep it at >%350? for instance, i want to grind eye of mind, tactics, both evasions, and MA, but don't have the coins to keep them all over %300 consistently

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044723
Honestly I've tried keeping every single skill potential up at 200 but after watching Kai's videos maybe grinding a few skills and just keeping those up is a good idea. I mean it's not like I use all of my skills all the time and it's a nightmare to keep everything above 200 if you're putting coins into everything. I just use a couple for things I'm doing at the time. As for when to grind you grind day 1 from starting your character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044746
well, i'm doing a martial arts build, not nearly optimized since I'm following yacatect instead of whatever other god gives bonuses for melee fighters. i don't grind day in and day out, i find breaking it up helps with discovering new things or new ways of handling the game systems. I find it also helps me get platinum to use for grinding, because even with yacatect I run out of coins very quick even focusing on only 2 or 3 skills to keep potential up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044723
Shouldn't three be easy? Kai is like juggling 8 skills and isn't having too many problems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044761
3 at 200% i could do, but i can't do 3 at 300+
>comparing expectations of others against what kai can do
please no, it's too hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>18039377
That would be a waste of a rod when he can just buy stacks of scrolls of ally from the various magic vendors

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044723
I just try to keep stuff at 200. I really should try to create some sort of master list of skills to focus on. I try to save up a lot of platinum before I start spending.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044761
To be fair Kai did his first dungeon in the latest episode and has been doing nonstop quests otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044820
I can see why he does a lot of those job board stuff instead of dungeons. Practically everything else gives you more gold than you would earn in a dungeon. Dungeons are too much risk for so little gain early on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18041791
Why would you waste your tickets on that, dungeons drown you in diaries.

[Anonymous No.]

Uh...is there a number I can call? Like for when your child eats or drinks poison or something in Elona? My little sister ate a nuclear lion. Isn't that supposed to be a nuclear bomb in disguise? She won't just take out half of Palmia one of these days as we walk around right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044878
Not just gold, dungeons suck for plat too. You'll get lots of combat training in dungeons but you get basically no play so you'll blow through your potentials in no time. Inversely, quests give lots of gold and plat but suck for training skills.

Doing a lot of quests is pretty much the right way to play early on. Your progress will very quickly screech to a halt unless you grind quests for both money to pump into magic shops and plat for skills/potential.

[Anonymous No.]

wait, can you two hand a dagger for instance? I mean will it train two handed if you just equip 1 wep?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044899
Don't worry, Palmia will come back, you can nuke it as much as you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044995
You can two hand anything and it will train the Two Hand skill, but a weapon needs to weigh enough to receive the two hand bonus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044173
Played a bunch but main ones are Nethack, PCB, and I used to play a ton of DCSS (only about a dozen wins) but don't really like it anymore. Elona never gets old after all these years, it's the ultimate

>>18044319
>OWH, Shiren
Good taste

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044559
>>18044589
I will strangle an imouto for every time one of you fuckers misspells rogue as ''rouge''

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045151

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a little surprised Kai never bothered with trading quests. You can get a lot of easy platinum coins just by going around giving people crim ales.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045156

[Anonymous No.]

What's your preferred weapon skill?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045164
i was agreeing with you! spare their lives, i know how to spell rogue
>fufu i see you're working hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044723
i have almost 15 skills i constantly keep at 300%, but it means i spend most of my time grinding for coins. hunting is fun and harvest is good for the body, challange is basicly free dough but the others are kinda a pain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044889
because platinum is more usefull than the rest of the stuff you find in dungeons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045090
over 8s?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045183
4s+.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045171
Panic gets a lot easier if you spam the 30 mining skill houzanha (resulting destruction won't affect the actual town). Actually, using houzanha as often as possible is a good move because it trains CON a lot. By binding it to a hotkey and doing that, it became my highest stat. And I also accidentally destroyed my house a bunch of times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045197
>misclick 'q' instead of 'w'
>destroy house
>whoopsie
do you just reload at that point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045203
No reloads allowed, playing on loss. I had to rebuild every time. But while doing that I usually get some ideas and make it look nicer while I'm at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045210
so your save is deleted when you load up your game? what if you get hit with a power outage? or does it only delete your save if you exit without saving?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045215
Save is not deleted, the penalty for not exiting the game properly for any reason is just like natural mode: if the game detects that the last time you played you didn't save and quit through the menu, you get -100 karma, punishment hex, and permanent -5 Life and Mana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045225
oh shit, that's brutal. i should start a second character on loss mode someday..

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045225
If you die on loss, your save of course IS deleted. Strangely enough this doesn't apply to hunting quests (you just reappear in town and fail the quest like in essential mode). This mode is a favourite of dudes like Kai that have already gotten the hang of the game on older characters and now want to try again while enjoying the pleasure of ass-clenching fear

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044173
I mostly play Elona, but I also play other roguelikes, like Infra Arcana, Poschengband, Sil and modded Dungeons of Dredmor.

[Anonymous No.]

Why can't you just join all 3 guilds?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045248
because this, thankfully, isn't skyrim

[Anonymous No.]

You snail!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045250
It's just a bummer to never, ever have any reason to ever join thieves and fighter guilds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044940
I just wish that the platinum reward for dungeons didn't cap at a measly 5. I get the same amount of plat for doing a level 60 dungeon as I get for doing a level 300 one, while the plat rewards for quests do keep increasing as you gain fame. That ain't right.

I read in the next update you're gonna get an envelope full of platinum coins twice a month corresponding to the value of unique cards/statues in your museum though. They're also fixing tobacco (of particular note the bug that gave permadepression when it is used from the ground), and making exp required to level a skill cap at 300 (so a level 1999 skill costs an equal amount of exp to level as a lv 300 skill, which is a tremendous improvement). I am erect

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045279
to be fair, i don't ever join the mages guild either. I joined fighter guild to get discounts on enchanting, and then i just incognito for the skills in the other 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045279
Well the guilds have trainers that can grant a number of skills you can't get at the other trainers. However scrolls of gain attribute and wishes will also give you these, furthermore you can always waltz in there with incognito (as long as you can take on the guildmaster). Other than that each guild has a quest that gives an artifact (thieves guild grand prize is a wooden horse that's supposed to allow you to do depraved sex dungeon activities from a menu to your poor pets, but flavor text isn't enabled in English version. Not sure if custom has fixed it, don't think anybody bothered to check)

[Anonymous No.]

Isn't Ano one person? Why do people keep referring to Elona+ developer as "they"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045330
Ano is one dude, just like Noa. But I don't know whether he's getting help or whether it's even a dude or not.

[Anonymous No.]

Do adventurers make good pets?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18043961
Gibe a char sheet screen

[Anonymous No.]

Can Gravity Sphere be resisted?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045457
magic ressit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044899

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045285
Most people join the Mage's guild because it gives you the spell writer much earlier and way cheaper then the one you get in act 3, which easily trumps discounted enchanting if you ever plan on casting spells, regardless if you mainly use weapons.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to have faster walk speed on the overworld? I want to play with smooth scrolling but the walking speed on the overworld can't be sped up, and I can't sprint on it either

[Anonymous No.]

>lost my cooler box
Fug.
Is it worth spending a little girl quest reward for this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045632
If carrying around 4 meals is important to you. I'm already at the point where it takes 10 sisters for the next reward, but if I lost mine I'd do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045685
thanks. this is my first reward so I guess I'm not losing much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045690
oh. I know what I did. I accidentally used the cooler in a special ammo recipe.
Is it possible to use a rod of wish for a cooler? I have one saved because I didn't know what I should wish for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045850
disregard this post, looks like I can in 'wizard mode'.
I guess this is technically cheating...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045882
oh wait disregard this, apparently wizard mode puts some restrictions for using it
I guess quest reward it is.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a point in doing random dungeons? I have 100+ hrs on this character (lvl38 mage), and pretty much everything else gives better rewards and is 99% safe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045920
gold medals.
training combat skills.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045920
You can mine fort-type dungeons for safes with gold medals.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045920
resource nodes

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045920
Gathering materials from material spots, seeking out stronger enemies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044268
Cluster bomb rocks can duplicate themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046155
oh, in that case ill just oneshot it with some special ability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046245
It's not that dangerous actually. Since all ball spells have the same radius anything that would explode and cause you damage would be caught in a bubble ball.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046155
Don't forget they can draw you next to them as soon as you open the door and it turns out there's a whole room full of them waiting to gangbang you. Their counterparts in the void do a metric fuckton of damage, have a teleport prevention item on you

[Anonymous No.]

So after quipment updating my boots to seven league boots i noticed they didn't gain the 'it enhance your travel progress' attribute that is inherent to those kind of boots. you think ano is aware of this problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046371
It's intended. Updating items does not grant the innate attributes other than pierce/hit/dmg/pv/dv but instead carries over what it had. So an aurora ring turned into a speed ring won't suddenly get speed but will still protect against weather. However if you use the resulting equipment in the creation recipe the resultant items will have the innate attributes the type usually has. So you can make this pair of boots into two others (rare items give 2 instead of 3) that do increase travel speed.

The reason you want to equip update is to either get item types you didn't have to use in creation, or to get better offensive or defensive stats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044777
Yes, this is in fact what I have been doing.
Still haven't got anything that gives tailoring and carpentry yet though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046411
well, when changing equip material the bonuses from old equipment type are removed and the new type are given, i thought that would be the case here- aurpra ring turned speed ring will lose the weather protection but gain the speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046492
Farmer and archer class enemies have tailoring, so something like yeek archer is a good source of it. You can also get it from mushrooms. Carpentry is pretty damn rare, since only ent and giant races come with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046547
To reiterate: from the new type it only gets pierce, hit, damage, pv and dv. It's useful for changing weapons into better classes (long sword into lightsabre which will get the 100% pierce), ammo into a different type, an engagement amulet into a talisman so you can freely give and take from pets, or changing say a godly robe into a bulletproof jacket so its defense isn't shit. But if you want the innate abilities the new type would have had, you have to create it.

Might be handy to know, you can add ''it speeds up your travel progress #####'' to a good/great ring (say a non-miracle aurora or speed ring) with a Garok's hammer to replace 7LB.

[Anonymous No.]

I fucking love my pets. These industrious muffins earned themselves some extra api nut cookies and herbed steaks

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045920
It's fun!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046783
not when you have to teleport for several minutes in fear of being oneshot by boss after all your pets have died.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046831
don't do dungoens that are more than twice your level next time.
...i jest, my prev char could only do 50% stronger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046966
it was below my level, actually! wasn't worth it, in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047001
Level is just a number. Sometimes your character can be weaker than your level suggests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047074
but the whole dungeon was easy up until the boss! And it killed all my pets!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047074
This

[Anonymous No.]

Any news about Elin?

Last video was 8 months ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047001
Well you see, you can meet Vampire bats in lower lvl dungeons, I can easily beat like lvl64 forts etc. but they kicked my ass in lvl 6 cave. It had literally a room with 50 vampire bats, and you know what they can do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047170
I think I will wait until all my potentials and high, and the do some dungeoning again. Stuff's so random I don't think non-guaranteed medals and pity plat is worth it!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047208
You can always abandon if something goes wrong, and if you get high enough charisma you can summon and unsummon pets, use resurrect book if you mess up and blessed potion of restore body/spirit.

[Anonymous No.]

What the hell?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047340
Do it. Throw a chestnut at each and every monster on your way. (but prepare to run like hell next time you enter wilderness)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047353
I don't have any chestnuts

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044335
>Neither of those count
FTL is absolutely a roguelike.

There are arguments to be made for One Way Heroics not being a roguelike; but elona (even on loss mode) is less of a roguelike than heroics is so...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047402
>FTL is absolutely a roguelike
>There are arguments to be made for One Way Heroics not being a roguelike
/v/ is that you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18044173
I used to play other roguelikes, but Elona offered more than just combat, and graphics that weren't ascii.
Between Dwarf Fortress and Elona, I really don't feel like anything else is worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047408
No? I've never used a board outside of /jp/ so i'm not sure what you're getting at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047426
"Roguelike" refers to a genre, not merely "like-Rogue". The genre is represented by its canon. The canon for Roguelikes is ADOM, Angband, Crawl, Nethack, and Rogue. They're a specific sub-genre of role-playing video games characterized by level randomization, permanent death, grid and turn-based movement.

Just go to the roguelike general and repeat what you said. Yours is the game journalist/steam user's interpretation of what the term means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047463
I completely agree with you about what roguelike is, which is why I was disagreeing to the person saying neither of those games counted. The only reason I specified arguments could be made for One Way Heroics and elona are because of the type of people you listed in your last sentence. I understand how it may have come off that way in my post, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047480
FTL is not turn- or grid based my man, so unless you meant ''is absolutely not'' we're still in disagreement over here

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047480
But you said FTL is absolutely a roguelike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047500
>>18047501
Ah, I see the discrepancy now, and why my post seems contradicting.

I guess I just don't consider the turn-based aspect a make-or-break mechanic of modern roguelikes. Considering ftl is driven by RNG and permadeath among other common roguelike elements, I think of it as a good example of a roguelike; albeit without a turnbased movement system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047543
I guess I just don't consider the ''motorized'' aspect a make-or-break mechanic of modern cars. Considering this shopping cart is driven by wheels and a person among other common carlike elements, I think of it as a good example of a car; albeit without an engine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047120
http://ylvania.org/jp/devlog/post/16/-1-7

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047559
The difference here is that shopping cart manufacturers don't call them cars or roguelikes, while one of those is true for developers of FTL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047607
So because they call it a roguelike, it must be a roguelike?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047607
Half the developers on steam call their game a roguelike, and none of those games are roguelikes. The mechanics you so easily waive off are as integral to the definition of the genre as jumping to a platformer. You don't get to change the meaning of a word based on your own ''considerations''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047622
>>18047637
Who do you think sets industry standards, the industry, or those who have nothing to do with it? Because if it's the former, then the industry participants have spoken and it's a roguelike. And if it's the latter then it will be decided by a popular consensus. And just like >>18044499 doesn't think that Diablo is a hack and slash, you will have to accept that Binding of Isaac is a roguelike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047657
>you will have to accept that Binding of Isaac is a roguelike.
No. That's the kind of talk people who are responsible for the decline of the industry make. Binding of Isaac isn't a roguelike like Dota 2 isn't an RTS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047657
>industry participants
Gaming journalists are a bunch of kikes and cucks tho
Why listen to them, instead of the people actually playing the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047657
This was an existing genre with an existing definition >>18047463 before it was hijacked. The term sounded hip so faggots started using it liberally to describe anything with randomization and permadeath, rendering the term meaningless. What you're essentially saying is you don't care about it, and will just agree with whatever you're told by the majority. Much like a large influx of new users exceeding the capacity of an existing board to absorb and integrate them into their culture will end up destroying it, you want to get rid of the old to make way for your own newspeak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047695
>This was an existing genre with an existing definition before it was hijacked
So just like my example with hack and slash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047706
>And just like >>18044499 doesn't think that Diablo is a hack and slash
According to that graph diablo is a hack-and-slash. You misread it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047738
According to the chart it's an ARPG and not a hack'n'slash, because you control your character from an isometric viewpoint and not from the third person perspective, since those two terms are mutually exclusive. Since it's okay to redefine not only pointless subgenres, but also very real terms used in more than just videogames. Just not "roguelike".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18046764
How do you get two pets to craft for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047769
The subgenre is only pointless when people like you start including anything they want in it. Using the actual definition it's perfectly utilitarian and describes a specific set of games. Namely games that share the common gameplay mechanics with the cornerstones of the genre.

Permadeath and randomization are not enough to make a genre, much like playing the role of a character is not enough to make an RPG. There is an overwhelming amount of games that feature both. Why there's another meaningless term, RPG.

Oh FTL may miss a couple, but it has enough roguelike elements to be a perfect example of the genre. Likewise, Call of Duty is a perfect example of an RPG. The devs said so!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047812
>it has enough roguelike elements to be a perfect example of the genre.
It has enough roguelike elements to be called a roguelite. It doesn't fit to be called a roguelike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047825
To be called a roguelike by people that don't play roguelikes, namely you. You can call apples oranges as much as you want. You can even start naming various other fruit apples, and if millions start agreeing with you they might as well be. But the weight of an opinion isn't based on how many people hold it, which is why you'd sooner listen to one doctor tell you about your body than a hundred janitors. On this topic, the opinion of the devs that actually made ADOM, NetHack, the *bands, Stone Soup, and Rogue (all turn+grid-based) and those that play them, hold more weight than you and IGN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047812
>>18047869
For majority of the people, "roguelike" is a fancy qualifier used to describe the Dark Souls of randomized games. And the fight for purity of the word loses a lot of its meaning when people doing it don't hesitate to do it themselves with words they themselves don't care about.

At its core, this is another pointless struggle of an evolving language, where people unquestionably accept everything they are given when first introduced to something and then vehemently oppose any subsequent changes. That flowchart that I brought up before even goes to dismiss the concession terms like "roguelite" that >>18047825 mentions. What is the reason here? Who defined the word, and what gave them the authority to do so and then sit on it and throw away the definitions and new words that they don't like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047869
This is some embarassing quickshooting shit. The last line in >>18047812 was sarcasm, a guy replied seriously, I reply assuming he was the same guy, before realizing he said ''lite''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047892
Roguelite is a term used to sate the hipsters who insist they're hardcore roguelike fans because they play rimworld and binding of isaac.
You give that term to people who can't accept there are clear differences between FTL and rogue, otherwise they won't stop until every game is defined as in every genre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047892
Those with the most knowledge of a thing, such as its original creators and enthusiasts with historical knowledge of it, have the most authority to define what it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047825
>roguelike elements
I fucking hate this meme. You don't become a first-person shooter by having "first-person shooter elements", you become one by being in first person and shooting things. It's a matter of core game mechanics, not superficial similarities.

Permadeath is not a core game mechanic, and frankly isn't even terribly well-defined as a mechanic (is running out of lives in mario permadeath?) and procgen is just a method of content generation rather than a game mechanic. Turn-based gameplay and controlling only a single player character, however, is centrally-defining to gameplay. Ergo, being turn-based has always been a better defining factor than permadeath or procgen.

The confusion over the term has nothing to do with "evolving language" and everything to do with greedy fucking indie developers who wanted to appropriate the history cultivated over many years largely for free. They should be glad they even get to call themselves the overtly derogatory term "roguelite", rather than "opportunistic douchebag's game".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18045143
>Good taste
T-thanks anon, you too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048034
This

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047597
English version of a site isn't being updated you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047669
IMO it might not be a rogue-like but it has elements of it so it might be tagged along just for convenience, like tags in steam for instance, just so people would know what they have to expect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048034
Thank you for this post, you put into words what others failed to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048034
Yet you define "roguelike" by listing superficial elements that they share, except then you also dismiss the most prominent ones when other games decide to feature them.

>Turn-based gameplay and controlling only a single player character, however, is centrally-defining to gameplay. Ergo, being turn-based has always been a better defining factor than permadeath or procgen
Turn-based with grid movement, direct control over one character, indirectly controlled minions, and no poorly-defined mechanics like permadeath and procedural generation - Fallout is now as much of a roguelike as One Way Heroics and even Angband.

And this has everything to do with "evolving language", and specifically with the fact that each person chooses a different point on the path of its evolution where everything must stop once and for all. For example, it's okay for roguelikes to be a subgenre of RPGs because of superficial elements like stats, levels, equipment, experience and monsters lifted straight from a Dungeons and Dragons monster manual, even though they have nothing to do with role playing. But try to include "RTS elements" into your clicking simulator, and it's somehow still a MOBA and not a subgenre of RTS.

[Anonymous No.]

My word Kai makes this game look easy yet everytime I play I keep dying. Even when I do those town board quests. I feel like I was lied to when people told me being a performer was the surest way to success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048172
You were

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048125
>fallout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0I2PhixV_g
Nice turn-based game, dumbass.

>it's okay for roguelikes to be a subgenre of RPGs because of superficial elements like stats, levels, equipment, experience and monsters lifted straight from a Dungeons and Dragons monster manual
There are lots of roguelikes that lack the majority of those. You can arguably make a roguelike with none of them even if it hasn't been done due to frankly not being fun. Stats =/= RPGs.

>And this has everything to do with "evolving language"
Every single semantics issue in existence is, by definition, having to do with "evolving language". That doesn't make it the core issue nor does it make people who use it as an excuse anything but intellectually-dishonest hipsters who want to imply progress to make their position seem more desirable.

>MOBA
Are you referring to ASSFAGGOTS, which literally is an RTS derivative? I can't tell what you're specifically talking about when you use the most retarded genre designation ever created.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18047340
it happened to me too. its april fools elona style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048034
this. elitists who insists on perma death to allow a game into the exlusive club of roguelikes should go back to /v/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048372
The post says TB and controlling a single character are the most important, not that the other two aren't necessary

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048398
if it isn't core than it isn't necessary for definition.

[Anonymous No.]

What on earth happened to this thread? I thought these endless roguelike definition debates belonged in /rlg/.

[Anonymous No.]

I had my pregnant pet wait in town, travelled to the next town over to find a poison to give them. When I went to the barkeep I had to pay 100G to revive them, and the poison didn't give the baby-killing message. Do they just automatically die offscreen if you tell them to wait in town?

[Anonymous No.]

>got myself an anubis sister
>made matching clothes with her, even got the ears of the beast corruption so now we are kemomimi dou
>we kick ass at range, she with a bow me with a crossbow
>only...
>she has this charge special action
>she keeps using it and it drives me nuts
>going to leold, knowing that he can cancel charge actions if he gives them
>pic related
Is it wise to start AP grinding or will it prove fruitless and i should consider getting another pet/ cheating with eloshack? is there a way to make it so the game won't stop everything every time she starts chargin- because thats my only qualm. i mean, this game is pretty open sourced right? can't i edit a dat file, or is it lose cause?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048517
Seal ability costs 20 AP which is absolutely nothing, but seals all special actions.
If you're not using any special actions besides charge attack on Anubis (insult, provoke, whatever), there's no downside to using seal ability.
If you are using other special actions besides charge attack, download Elona+ Custom and use custom AI.

Whoever thought that charge attack was a great addition to a pet with 30 base HP should be shot in the back of the head.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048427
They do, and I hope they stay there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048427
/rlg/'s raging autism is universal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18048557
well, so far im not worried about her dying, it just annoying every time the game stops just so she could do hugh damage to random mobs. if there was a way charge didn't stop the game each time its used i'd be delighted.

[Anonymous No.]

I found a 26k fame adventurer with Nightmare. I'm level 4 so killing or pickpocketing them is pretty hopeless. Any other tricks to getting it from them? Can I hire them and get them killed or something?

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>>18047798
I think if you have more than one pet out, the rest of them contribute their own skill level to the main crafter. It wasn't always like this so I think it's a recent addition

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>>18048705
dude, its just nightmare. you will find it eventually, its dropped from monsters. if you really want it, use a ranch.

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>>18048112
That i'm fine with. Mobas can be tagged as RTS, because they are somewhat similar. But to say Dota 2 is an RTS is wrong. It has RTS elements, it has RPG elements, but it isn't exactly either of them.

The problem arises when people say they ARE these things. And another problem arises is when i'm looking for RTS games, and a whole bunch of Mobas, gachas, and hero shooters flood the results in place of real RTS games.

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>>18048729
For example, go on steam and search the tag rogue-like. You'll see a whole bunch of games that are nothing at all like a roguelike, but because they vaguely share some elements of it, people call em that. These false roguelikes are drowning out the more authentic ones.

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>>18048729
True. But it doesn't matter that much, does it now?

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>>18048729
It IS annoying while searching for a specific game tho. In Steam for sure at least.

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>>18048112
>>18048729
stop with this subject already. take it to /rlg/ if you have to.

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>>18048782
Is it forbidden or you just don't like it?

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>>18048809
its irrelevant to the thread. some offtopic discussion is unavoidable ofc, but it reached a level of hijacking.

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>>18048818
I get your point but silencing these topics are part of the reason why Dont Starve is still the top result when you search for roguelikes.

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>>18048828
No one cares. This isn't /v/ or /rlg/. Talk about Elona or please leave.

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>>18048828
i could argue with you on that point but that would be offtopic still.
>>>/vg/198518727

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How bad of an idea is it to build my character to be a mount? Is it possible to get to a point where your own speed penalty is gone or at least not horrible?

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>>18048886
Never heard of anyone trying to be a dedicated mount. Might as well give it a try.

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>>18048888
There's one very big problem that I need to address though. Even though you take the mount movement penalty, you are still the one who does the moving. Supposedly getting better at riding (and probably becoming an easier mount by getting more strength) helps mitigate this, but I haven't found any documentation on what lengths you have to go to get your speed penalty to a tolerable level.

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>>18048886
it is possible to comletly nullify speed loss but i don't know the relevant formula.
I do know however, that you are less likely to lose speed if you are not that fast. ie, the higher the speed the higher the chance your speed would be tramendlously lowered.

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>>18048928
If riding skill is a factor then str:speed is by extension a factor, since mount difficulty is almost entirely decided just by str:speed ratio. So in theory the biggest thing you need to do until your rider gets a decent riding skill is pump STR in relation to speed.

Hopefully it's that simple, anyway.

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I just wanted to find out if people who play Elona play other roguelikes too, and this caused such a derailment of the thread.
Next time I should just not post.

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>>18049036
The problem was that you specifically used the term roguelike. That's just as bad as using the term esport, because nobody can agree on what it actually is anymore.
The best course of action is to just abandon the term roguelike and start a new kool kids klub term. I vote roguevaniaisometriclikes.

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What does it mean?

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>>18049155
>letting your little girl grow up
time to get a new one

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>>18049155
Time for her to stop using bear panties.

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>>18049155
lvl up

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Who comes up with the dialogue in this game anyways

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Hey guys, quick question.

My party was full when I prayed for my first god pet, it gave me a broken-english message saying something about not being able to be friends with the gods gift or something, with a yes or no box.I said yes, and got nothing. Now every time I max my favor and pray, I don't get the pet. Did I fuck up? Any way to fix it?

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>>18049050
i vote elonalike.

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>>18049254
You said yes when it asked you if you wanted to not be friend with the gods gift.
The answer to your question is literally in your question m8

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>>18049287

What would have happend if I said no? Would it have gotten rid of one of my other pets? I mean, I expected would just give me another chance if I cleared a spot and tried again.

Theres no other way than to round up another 50 bows and arrows and start over?

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>>18049312
maybe. have you tried converting to another god and reconverting?

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Is there any god that's particularly good to pick up first? Jure's obviously the worst, and endgame gods like Lulwy(?) should probably be saved for last, but beyond that I have no idea.

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>>18049386
Rushing yacatect is good, so you can get his two gifts that make farming platinum easier. Accessories are common in the puppy cave

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>>18049214
its april

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>>18049386
if you have to go there, pick mani since his altar is so close. opathos can help you not dying untill you get your shit together, itzpalt will help you brave the tower of fire, than kurimori for some stat build up, yacatect for equipment build up ehektel for great loot than lulwy and the world is your oyster.
you can take jure between gods, when you have time to visit noyel.

>>18049386
>his
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so apparently item weight is a factor on how much crit damage one does .If i'm MA, how does that affect my damage with and without equipped weapons? do i need to read a lot of cursed scrolls of feather to get my tonfa weight up? are crits with fists useless? I also read on the page that it's capped at 3x damage, but i've read on the MA page that crits can do stupid amounts of damage.

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my pet won't train her potential, why is that? she defintly has enough gold.

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How do you get tracker to display potentials? Is that an E+C feature?

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>>18049526
nvm that, the probelm was her being slow and me being patianceless.

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anybody know where the captain of kurualm might be? i had a job done for the guy, but he disappeared on me before givin me the reward.

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>>18048427
You don't often see them there unless they're shitposting, there is already a consensus among people that actually play them. The only people confused are those that don't. Just like how the only people writing constant articles on ''the state of videogames'' don't play them

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so how much does the hebed in food train stats? if i bless rare herbs, would the overall stat experiance surpass herbed status?

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These aren't kick ass at all.

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>>18050221
They at least help you in kicking water.

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>buy 2 chocolate kits
>try bathing in chocolate in the first one
>no apparent effect but it seems my dex and con went from su[erb to great, could be from other stuff tough
>mix leftover materials in the second
>this happens

is there a place where i can read what each option in the chocolate kits do?

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>>18050367
The wiki

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>>18050375
the wiki was kinda scruge-y in information regarding the chocolate. is there a single page where all the options are written?

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>>18050386
The hell, I could have sworn they listed all the effects somewhere on there. If it can't be found we should experiment and put it on there ourselves

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>>18050414
I made a page for it, when it's february again in my game I'll see what I can add

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>>18049386
I always like to go Itzpalt first because the magic resistance he provides is very useful for tackling higher level dungeons earlier and you always have more rods than you know what to do with.

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>>18049542
When you go into your character sheet and highlight a skill, press *. E+C adds the ability to track spells.

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>>18049542
>>18050559
Sorry looks like I misread your question. Not sure if potentials is a E+C feature. If you don't see it in your tracked skills you might have to press ESC in game and go into tweak options to enable it.

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>>18050414
>When used, up to 3 chocolates can be made in a year.

That doesn't seem right. Pic related to how many I made last February before the game prevented me from making any more.

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>>18050386
>>18050414
>>18050505
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Valentine%27s_Day

my bad, wasn't looking well enough.

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>>18050568
My game doesn't have the tweak options at all.

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New thread when

Also somehow managed to finish part 1 without encountering the winged snail

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>>18050741
I got the winged snail AND the mad scientist in the same battle

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New >>18050782