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DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1867 Anonymous Wed Dec 13 15:51:02 2017 No.18031993 [Reply] [Original]

Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>18012291

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 15:53:45 2017 No.18032013 >>18031961 Because it's a very good coming-of-age story. >i admit to dropping it early though, as i found it so irredeemable that i couldnt read a page beyond the swimsuit theft fiasco No offense, but if that's the case your opinion isn't worth much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 15:53:52 2017 No.18032016 File: 45 KB, 620x413, 1497774960667.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's your excuse for being in this thread instead of reading or doing your reps right now?

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 15:56:00 2017 No.18032031 Very bad OP.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 15:56:35 2017 No.18032036 >>18032031 I think it's fine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 15:58:03 2017 No.18032041 >>18032013 isn't that even still in the first volume?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 15:59:25 2017 No.18032047 >>18032016 I've read 25 pages of LN yesterday and I don't feel like doing much today

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 16:03:40 2017 No.18032063 >>18031876 Not him, also a complete newbie, but why though? Don't the images add visual context that makes for easier reading?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 16:09:29 2017 No.18032076 >>18032016 just staggered out of bed

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 16:25:58 2017 No.18032133 File: 356 KB, 1920x1040, BUCPE1Q[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] reminder that azw3 files aren't even accurate

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 16:38:17 2017 No.18032171

>>18031993
Does anyone else have problems with anki making other shit run slow?

I usually like to study while playing counter strike because the death timers are long enough it lets me divert full attention to both . but while I have anki open it stutters like crazy.
its definitely not my hardware, and checking processes nothing seems weird, resources and everything look fine.

anyone know what the deal is? its literally only with anki, no other program has ever caused this issue.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 16:41:43 2017 No.18032182 >>18032171 だいじょうぶおにいちゃんはがんばりやだからおにいちゃんならきっとできるよ

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 16:44:02 2017 No.18032187 >>18032182 >refusal to use kanji is this a /jp/ meme or are people just retarded?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:01:18 2017 No.18032231 >>18032187 女性だからってば

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:07:22 2017 No.18032265 >>18032187 This is posted in a thread for learners of Japanese, why would you have a problem with writing shit in hiragana?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:08:48 2017 No.18032276 >>18032265 it makes things hard to read? especially when you're using very basic words.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:09:07 2017 No.18032278 >>18032276 not really

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:23:01 2017 No.18032346

>>18032265
>>This is posted in a thread for learners of Japanese
All the more reason to use kanji. Kanji eliminates any potential confusion which could've been caused by homophones, and because of add-ons like Yomichan it's no more difficult to read words on here written in kanji than it is to read words written in hiragana.

I don't think his refusal to use hiragana is out of any particular consideration for learners (especially considering how often said learners complain about it and ask him to use kanji because they can't understand his posts), it's just part of his role playing.

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:25:32 2017 No.18032356

>>18032346
if >>18032182 is hard to read on account of being written in kana, then your japanese is too poor to make any judgments about anything being hard to read

and no there is no ambiguity because of homophones in it

every other argument in your post is actual bullshit because things that are likely to have been written by non-natives should never be reading practice

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:30:23 2017 No.18032376 >>18032356 not him with hiragana you have to "actively" read the words and can't just recognize them by kanji, which makes reading this shit harder

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:30:49 2017 No.18032378 >>18032376 that's only because you don't know japanese dude

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:32:10 2017 No.18032384 >>18032378 jesus christ you're retarded I get the feeling you just can't read kanji for shit

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:32:50 2017 No.18032389

>>18032356
>>if >>18032182 is hard to read on account of being written in kana
It's not, I'm not the guy who made the original post.

>things that are likely to have been written by non-natives should never be reading practice
Who said anything about reading practice? Imouto answers questions by beginners but his posts frequently confuse them because of the lack of kanji makes it more difficult for them to tell which words he's using. If you've been here any length of time, you will have seen this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:33:30 2017 No.18032392 >>18032384 no i'm pretty sure you just don't know japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:34:15 2017 No.18032396 >>18032389 communication on public forums is not a two way engagement by default guess what 4chan is

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:36:25 2017 No.18032402
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I had an idea to get an untranslated manga--something simple, and slowly spend a day translating each speech bubble. Has anyone done this before? Did it seem to help? What manga should I use?

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:37:35 2017 No.18032407

the majority of posts that are not part of an ongoing discussion are not meant to have responses or have particular people learn from them

>>18032402
performing literal translation for practice is a very bad idea. the way people japanese people communicate, especially in speech, is very different than english in terms of the ways language is used. you're going to confuse yourself about things you already understand and reinforce translationese-like misconceptions about what words or phrases mean.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:40:38 2017 No.18032423 >>18032392 かんじなしのぶんしょうはにほんごがくしゅうしゃにとってただむいみだまだこれがかんたんによめられるというのか、ふざけんな

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:40:51 2017 No.18032426
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>>18032407
I was thinking of doing three lines, first is the original sentence in japanese, the second is the literal translation, and the third is my best attempt at "cleaning up" the literal, word for word translation; though if you don't recommend that, got any other tips to really immerse myself in the language? I'm using lingodeer but I want a bit more variety.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:41:23 2017 No.18032427 >>18032423 >かんじなしの i don't have to read any further to reconfirm that you don't know japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:42:55 2017 No.18032438 >>18032423 This post is nonsensical because the grammar is bad, not because it's written in kana.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:50:10 2017 No.18032473 >>18032276 >it makes things hard to read? Only if you're bad

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:52:05 2017 No.18032485 File: 692 KB, 720x404, 1451891750218.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18032171 >usually like to study while playing counter strike

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:53:37 2017 No.18032493 >>18032013 I'm gonna have to agree with the other dude. I thought the explanations were really pretentious, like the author was bragging about how much shit he knew through the characters.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:57:04 2017 No.18032514 File: 207 KB, 450x338, 967012-bigthumbnail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is your favorite song in Japanese, DJT? You do know all the lyrics by heart, don't you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:57:08 2017 No.18032515 >>18032427 じゃ自分で文章を書いてみせてお前が出来るのはただ偉そうに笑うしかないだから要するに、漢字がなければ文章を読むことは余計に難しくなるばかりだ

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:57:46 2017 No.18032518 >>18032016 I can't decide what I want to do. I'm gonna roll. 1-2 read manga 3-4 read ln 5-6 sou matome 7-8 dokkai 9-0 anki

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 17:58:26 2017 No.18032523 >>18032438 わかりやすいにほんごをつかうのはにほんじんにはむずかしいのごめんねおにいちゃん

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:05:12 2017 No.18032566

>>18032402
>>18032426
Do you want to be a translator? Even if you do, it's better to wait for your skill in the language to mature. Then learning how to translate well is a whole different set of skills. If you don't and are trying to learn the language, the most important thing with reading material is to pick what interests you. I like manga a lot, and I like reading from series that I have read in the past in English or seen anime of so that I'm familiar with the characters and story and can focus on the language.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:11:30 2017 No.18032603 >>18032515 じぶんっていってはなんのためなんだよじしんといいたかったな？すれのうえにするまえににほんごのべんきょうになれ

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:16:56 2017 No.18032634 How long does it usually take before I start to learn words? Why do kanji suck so much ass?

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:18:44 2017 No.18032642

I'm making a deck for volume 1 of Dragon Ball to upload to AnkiWeb and am having trouble with Anki revealing cards in the wrong order. I have sequentially numbered tags, but it seems to be pulling from all of the word lists at once, when ideally they'd be grouped by chapter. I've tried multiple devices. Does anybody know what's up?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:19:20 2017 No.18032644 >>18032642 You can't control the order of cards drawn from multiple subdecks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:21:08 2017 No.18032651 >>18032634 Uh.. immediately. First day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:22:33 2017 No.18032659 >>18032644 These are cards with different tags in the same deck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:23:53 2017 No.18032665 >>18032659 In that case you need to scrap absolutely everything Anki knows about the deck, including hidden scheduling data, and import it from plaintext.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:25:23 2017 No.18032673 Anki introduces cards in the order in which they were imported. When importing from plaintext, it imports them in the order listed in the text file. When importing from a package, it tries to recreate the current scheduling state of the package.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:41:18 2017 No.18032797 >>18032603 >にほんごのべんきょうになれあいにく俺は勉強に変身することが出来ない、ごめんね勉強になるって文句は知っているんだが、これはこんな風に使われていないと思う

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:42:25 2017 No.18032805 File: 355 KB, 1280x720, 1512875504010.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18032797 https://www.google.com/search?q="日本語の勉強になる"

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:43:54 2017 No.18032813

>>18032634
Maximum 214 days at a slow pace of 10 kanji per day. 107 days at a somewhat common pace of 20 per day, but if your method is shit this might become overwhelming before you finish.
Isolated kanji study isn't the only way, but I figured you wanted an answer relevant to what you're doing rather than being told you're doing it wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:45:28 2017 No.18032824 >>18032805 he (or you) used it as an imperative though

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:51:49 2017 No.18032866

>>18032813
Thank you, that actually doesn't sound to terrible.
I tried looking for the Tae Kim Anki deck in the guide but couldn't find it, and the core 2k/6k deck has isolated kanji. I'm picking up a bit, and can tell what it usually means, but I'm fucked on how to actually pronounce them I.E.
I know the difference between 六, 六つ and 六日, but how it's pronounced fucks me up and I have a hard time remembering.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:52:23 2017 No.18032872 >>18032514 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YScs_0_EgM だんだん切れ　だんだん切れ

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:54:58 2017 No.18032891 >>18032866 If you are doing isolated kanji, it's generally suggested not to bother with any readings, they are best picked up through vocab.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:56:44 2017 No.18032907 >>18032891 Alright, that'll help me a lot. Again, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 18:58:31 2017 No.18032920 >>18032866 >Tae Kim Anki deck in the guide but couldn't find it, It's the sixth item in the Cornucopia of resources

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:00:23 2017 No.18032933 >>18032824 すまんだけどぼくはにほんごをぼこくごとするひとですからそんなひょうげんができるとおもう

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:07:48 2017 No.18032991 File: 56 KB, 641x667, 1503617188653.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18032514 夕日が沈む, 音楽室でピアノ奏でる、あなたの柔らかい横顔に引きつられて目が離さなくて

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:08:37 2017 No.18033001 >>18032933 I'm well aware that it's "technically" correct but are people actually saying it like this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:11:13 2017 No.18033021 >>18032514 君がいた夏は遠い夢の中空に消えてった打ち上げ花火

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:13:41 2017 No.18033040 飛び出し注意爆笑

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:17:24 2017 No.18033063 anki cracks me up sometimes I get these in a row: 死刑宣告結果オーライ

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:21:34 2017 No.18033089 >>18032514 not my favorite, but it's pretty cute https://youtu.be/rzRAmSFUbcw

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:22:05 2017 No.18033093 File: 118 KB, 845x1079, 1511750155248.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18032991 だーけーどー

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:30:37 2017 No.18033153 >>18033063 >オーライ this always makes me feel happy for some reason

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:34:10 2017 No.18033187 >>18033153 ドンマイ！

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:38:41 2017 No.18033206 File: 145 KB, 1251x376, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18032133 Did you get that from pic related? Either use retail rips or expect inaccuracies.

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:45:07 2017 No.18033237

>>18032187
That is a mentally ill anon who has been posting in these threads since they were on /a/, roleplaying as a little Japanese girl. It's entirely pathetic yet some of the more cancerous regulars here who don't even study Japanese have a history of white knighting for it. Best off reporting and ignoring his random, entirely unrelated to the discussion all kana posts.

>>18032396
Report and ignore anyone who engages or defends this imouto faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:47:09 2017 No.18033243 >>18033237 おまえのしらないにほんご

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:47:49 2017 No.18033246 >>18033206 what if we made a DJT book transcription project for the greater good, like a pirate Project Gutenberg probably less risky than a fullblown subbing group as has been suggested in the past

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:49:11 2017 No.18033258 >>18033246 People have transcribed things sporadically in the past.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:52:27 2017 No.18033273 as long as u title it the buncha gaijins guide to not knowing japanese at all it sounds good to me

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 19:56:31 2017 No.18033284 >>18033237 >That is a mentally ill anon who has been posting in these threads since they were on /a/, come to think of it, how long has it been since then? I don't remember, a year maybe?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:03:36 2017 No.18033313 >>18033237 The mentally ill one is you, bro. Someone who isn't sick wouldn't care about stuff like this.

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:05:09 2017 No.18033319
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I'm thinking about watching New Game!! with Japanese subs and I intend to slowly go through it and make Anki cards with J-J definitions. What do you think is the best way to go about this?
My current plan is to copy and paste the words from Aegisub into an e-mail to myself in Firefox (I suppose I could make a blank .html file in notepad as well?) and then highlight the words and generate cards with Yomichan using either the Daijirin or Koujien EPWING dictionaries.
Do you think that's even worth it? Should I just manually make the cards and grab definitions from http://www.sanseido.biz/?
>>18033284
11/27. Never forget.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:14:03 2017 No.18033342 >>18033319 I don't see the point of making anki cards from anime just watch it with japanese subtitles, but mine words from reading material

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:15:42 2017 No.18033350 >>18033237 haven't seen someone this triggered by imouto since Finnish poster

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:25:46 2017 No.18033373

>>18033342
I feel like I learn faster and retain better when I hear things. I've already gone through the later JPod101 lesson in the CoR and felt like having the audio was a huge help. Anki in this case is probably overkill, it's more to help me remember the readings of the kanji in the words.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:31:06 2017 No.18033393 >>18033373 mining from anime just seems to be the best way to ruin a pleasant watching experience

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:37:07 2017 No.18033428

>>18033393
俺はＭですけど
I agree, but I need to put in work somewhere and I think using this route will keep my momentum up. VN's that can be hooked would probably be best but I'm not good enough with technology to know how to rip the audio.
Also, after mining words the first time around, the second time watching the anime without mining will be much better since I should have a much better understanding of what's going on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:39:06 2017 No.18033439 >>18033428 >俺はＭしてる？「俺」なら「Ｍ」ではありえない

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:44:48 2017 No.18033457 >>18033439 精悍なＭ；）いやぁぁ…まいった。女性的な少女（三十才男）

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:49:00 2017 No.18033477 >>18033457 可哀想だな

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 20:50:28 2017 No.18033486 File: 20 KB, 300x250, 1510043355938.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 私は二ヶ月勉強した、でも私文法足りないだ。駄目なニートだ。

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 21:04:08 2017 No.18033537 >>18033486 、でも -> でも、ないだ。 -> ないんだ・ないです

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 21:11:08 2017 No.18033552 What does it mean when there are dots next to kanji and kana in manga and such? I see it a lot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 21:13:06 2017 No.18033561 >>18033552 Emphasis, like an underline or bolding.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 21:15:42 2017 No.18033576 >>18033561 Thank you!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 21:15:49 2017 No.18033577 >>18033552 what the other guy said https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/圏点

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 21:37:44 2017 No.18033673 File: 144 KB, 1252x1252, coZNIZOs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18033486 https://youtu.be/bavZbQHbuOk

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 21:38:51 2017 No.18033679 >>18033673 シ　ジ　ミ　が　ト　ゥ　ル　ル

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 21:56:19 2017 No.18033759 File: 66 KB, 670x560, whatt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Am I missing something here? What is the point of this deck if the answer is given to you at the start? Am I supposed to write down the kanji or something?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:11:36 2017 No.18033810 don't give him any (you)'s guys

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:16:16 2017 No.18033828 >>18033810 just answer my question

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:17:26 2017 No.18033833 >>18033486 泣かないでよ、兄ちゃん！

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:18:35 2017 No.18033839 Did you just pretend to be somebody else and then respond to your own post? What do the other cards look like? Obviously, you don't want to be giving yourself the answer on the front -- you'll need to change the card if that's the case.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:19:20 2017 No.18033845 >>18033759 Looks like a fucked up version, use the one in the guide.

Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:25:27 2017 No.18033872

>>18032063
I didn't mean easier. I meant if you're going to read Qualia it's more enjoyable in my opinion to read the original novel first and then see the characters and scenes depicted in manga form afterwards.
Just the normal "read the source material before watching the adaptations" reasoning.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:40:26 2017 No.18033945 >>18033845 It is from the guide that's why I was wondering. Maybe it got fucked up by the sync but I made sure to press upload.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 22:46:14 2017 No.18033971 >>18033673 >>18033833 みなさんは優しい言葉ありがとうございます

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 23:16:13 2017 No.18034102 Okay /djt/ I made it through the N5 vocab deck and am starting N4. When do I start reading?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 23:20:03 2017 No.18034119 >>18034102 Now. The question is not how many words must I learn via (vocab list), but rather, how many words will I learn from reading this (book).

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 23:22:36 2017 No.18034131 >>18034119 Any recs on where to start? I know Yotsuba was big at one point but I'm not particularly interested.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 23:33:15 2017 No.18034184 >>18034131 What kinds of things are you interested in? I would check the djt library and search for manga that have furigana.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 23:35:31 2017 No.18034201 >>18034184 I'm honestly not that interested in manga as a whole. My original motivation for learning JP was porn games and Haruki Murakami, but baby steps I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 23:35:45 2017 No.18034204 >>18034131 read it anyway

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 23:37:54 2017 No.18034215 >>18034201 >porn games and Haruki Murakami Hello Sasha Grey, welcome to djt. In that case, I would recommend you just grab an eroge and run with it -- even better if you can use a texthooker.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 23:44:55 2017 No.18034250 びっくりマーク!!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 13 23:53:16 2017 No.18034277 File: 1 KB, 207x37, backbabaey.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] after being a bitch and not doing anything, coming back and knowing some stuff is cool (wasted a month)

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 00:03:00 2017 No.18034322 >>18034102 Don't. Don't ever read.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 00:05:06 2017 No.18034336
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>>18033319
All right -- what I ended up doing is exporting the subs as a text file and then opening that text file with my browser and Yomichan is able to read it. Probably not as slick as other methods but it's pretty comfy.
Instead of mining while watching, I'm going to first run through the subs and mine words I don't know and then watch the episode.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 00:29:12 2017 No.18034409 >>18034215 Any recs on "easy" eroge? I've seen so many charts floating around with drastically different opinions of the same games. I don't know what to trust.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 00:36:00 2017 No.18034439 日流祖語を勉強したい

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 00:40:43 2017 No.18034454 >>18034409 I don't know, but you could check here: >>>/vg/hgg/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 00:46:56 2017 No.18034479 >>18034409 Just read something you're interested in. Motivation is ultimately way more important than ease. If it gets too hard, try something else.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 01:07:10 2017 No.18034553 >>18034479 not him, but how do you determine if something is too hard? it all feels hard since i'm new

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 01:10:21 2017 No.18034565 >>18034553 Give it some time but if nothing is clicking after several hours, move onto something else. Your first VN will always be difficult. Just make sure it isn't insurmountable I guess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 01:24:34 2017 No.18034603 >>18034553 five finger rule

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 01:32:30 2017 No.18034630 >>18034603 Everything is going to be too hard then

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 01:37:49 2017 No.18034642 >>18034630 ok ten finger rule

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 01:39:18 2017 No.18034648 >>18034630 Don't expect inherently "easy" material like Yotsubato in the medium you are venturing in. But "Too Hard+" applies for any book you start out reading really, not that much for the words, moreso for the grammar.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 01:56:13 2017 No.18034694 If I have school and many subjects I have to put equal amount of time care into as I have to do with my Anki deck, how many new cards a day should I lower it to from 20?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 01:56:59 2017 No.18034697 File: 67 KB, 634x634, 1495641956014.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do you guys always read at least an hour a day, or do you have some days where you just don't really feel like reading so you don't?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:00:26 2017 No.18034705 File: 51 KB, 225x344, 83188.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18034697 If I'm too lazy to read anything, I watch anime without subs

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:02:22 2017 No.18034717 >>18034694 Wake up at like 5 am and listen to some comfy/chill music while reading. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ngIcz9ru4&list=LLjGiEaItrhNieWO4hcTnVQA&index=32 >>18034697 Last week or so i've been abstaining from reading to study for exams.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:03:19 2017 No.18034720 >>18034717 That's what I do for school homework already, I'm asking because I can't fit practicing Anki into that timeslot aswell

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:04:10 2017 No.18034722 if i get through tae kim, should i focus more on reading practice or should i go for more advanced grammar guides like imabi

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:06:16 2017 No.18034728 >>18034722 read the guide

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:06:21 2017 No.18034729 >>18034720 Do 10 in the morning and 10+repeat after school then

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:07:54 2017 No.18034732 Could just talking to Japanese people instead of reading raws equally be as helpful?

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:09:25 2017 No.18034740

>>18034720
Always do homework as soon as you get home anon.
>>18034728
Tae Kim doesn't say "READ MOAR WHILE REFERRING TO GUIDE" IIRC, there's a reason he includes vocabulary in the guide.
Suckubi is the one who does that.
>>18034722
Go through Basic & Essential grammar then start reading while slowly finishing the guide.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:11:19 2017 No.18034745 >>18034740 Then I'm too exhausted to do anything school-related by studying the lectures I will need for the homework in the first place

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:43:01 2017 No.18034812 >>18034697 I double my time spent in anki, every day

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:55:24 2017 No.18034842

>>18034732
I'm not a "production doesn't matter" memer but the answer is no, assuming you're reading something challenging

Both are helpful but the speed and variety of new information just doesn't compare, also you have to break down some barriers to get a native to honestly correct you when you're wrong

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 02:59:31 2017 No.18034850 >>18034740 Kill yourself. >>18034722 >if i get through >>https://djtguide.neocities.org/guide.html >Once you have read through your chosen grammar guide, you are ready to start reading Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:00:57 2017 No.18034855 >>18034732 An anon told me i should start production when i'm comfortable with input or else i will have that tainted gaijin accent. You should focus on input for the meantime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:04:54 2017 No.18034866 File: 53 KB, 480x605, 1511302876969.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18034850 Why are you angry lad? If you read my post fully instead of the (You) you'll realize i parroted what DJT said.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:06:48 2017 No.18034874

>>18034866
The answer to this post >>18034722 is found in the guide >>18031993 as instructed by this post >>18034728 and shown by this post >>18034850. Your post >>18034740 injected unrelated bullshit, either as a result of not knowing what the fuck you were responding to, or in an attempt to start an argument. There is no ambiguity about what just happened.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:11:06 2017 No.18034887 おはようおにいちゃんけさはすっごいさむかったねなんとひょうてんかだったよこおったー

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:14:18 2017 No.18034891

>18034874
I'll bite the bait.
>Go through Basic & Essential grammar then start reading while slowly finishing the guide.

If you're mad about me mentioning Tae Kim (because in fact, "read the guide" to a post related about guides is ambiguous) doesn't go READ MOAR then 1 second later i mention the guy to READ MOAR (as indicated by you), we are essentially having a non-argument.
So please, my man, put the sword down and let's drink some fine wine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:18:58 2017 No.18034906 Will it be easier for me to learn from grammar resources after consuming more input? Sometimes it feels like the stuff sticks even less than vocab does.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:21:55 2017 No.18034918

>>18034891
>because in fact, "read the guide" to a post related about guides is ambiguous
It's not ambiguous in any way.

First, anon is already reading Tae Kim. Instructing him to read it is redundant and nonsensical.

Second, "the guide" uses the definite article. There is no reason to refer to a grammar guide as "the guide". There are millions of grammar guides.

Third, "the guide" is a name.
>>18031993
>Read the guide before asking questions
>Read the guide
>the guide

>If you're mad about me mentioning Tae Kim doesn't go READ MOAR
It does.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

>This is why I’m a firm believer of learning by example. *****Examples and experience will be your main tools in mastering Japanese.***** Therefore, even if you don’t understand something completely the first time, *****just move on and keep referring back as you see more examples*****. This will allow you to get a better sense of how it’s used in many different contexts. Even this guide will not have all the examples to cover every situation. *****But lucky for you, Japanese is everywhere, especially on the web. I recommend practicing Japanese as much as possible and referring to this guide only when you cannot understand the grammar.*****

>The Internet alone has a rich variety of reading materials including websites, bulletin boards, and online chat. *****Buying Japanese books or comic books is also an excellent (and fun) way to increase your vocabulary and practice reading skills.***** It’s also important to keep in mind that it is impossible to learn good speaking and listening skills without actually conversing in Japanese. Practicing listening and speaking skills with fluent speakers of Japanese is a must if you wish to master conversational skills. While audio listening material can be very educational, there is nothing better than interacting with a real human for learning pronunciation, intonation, and natural conversation flow. If you have specific questions that are not addressed in this guide, you can ask them on the facebook group.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:33:42 2017 No.18034932 自閉症はすぐ揉め事を起こす

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 03:35:57 2017 No.18034934 >>18034932 >自閉症 Aw man, I read that as 自閉廷. I really need to go to bed. Thanks for the new word.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:02:53 2017 No.18034983 >>18034932 それって／ｄｊｔ／のｍｅｍｅ？まったく４ちゃんはおもしろいぞい

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:15:21 2017 No.18034994 樹齢 is listed as a common word. Really?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 04:17:39 2017 No.18034997 >>18034994 edict has really bizarre "common words"

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 05:03:34 2017 No.18035095 >>18034994 みんなつかうよ年輪もいっしょにＡｎｎｋｉしてねがんばれおにいちゃん

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 05:06:38 2017 No.18035100 >>18034740 Tae Kim, in fact, often throws jabs at people for reading stuff in English when they could've been doing that in Japanese. He even made an enemy of the site that shall not be named because of that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 05:13:45 2017 No.18035117 >横槍 well that is one way to interrupt..

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 05:23:19 2017 No.18035140 So i made an account for anki after a week of using it and it told me to sync my shit so i did now my decks are gone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 05:31:02 2017 No.18035162 did I translate this properly? I'm still a super beginner. It's supposed to be that quote from DDLC >俺はあなたが大好きで俺は死にたい！ >それが俺の気持ちです！

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 06:20:10 2017 No.18035278 >>18035162 head to /int/ if you want hot tips on how to produce

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 06:22:47 2017 No.18035284 >>18035140 that's why it automatically saves backups, hope you didn't turn of that option.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 07:27:51 2017 No.18035437 File: 63 KB, 256x256, 1513185520798.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >having fun learning Japanese on Tae Kim >reach counters How are you supposed to memorize all of these things holy shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 07:35:55 2017 No.18035451 >>18035437 you aren't they so rarely come up while reading, you pick them up as you go

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 08:50:48 2017 No.18035649 File: 208 KB, 900x1200, DQhBmKXVQAACePe[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I stumbled upon this interesting title in the amazon best sellers list. JKハルは異世界で娼婦になった But I couldn't find out what 'ハル' meant. Does anyone here know?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 08:53:31 2017 No.18035655 >>18035437 the important ones come up a lot so you'll memorize them eventually anyway. no reason to learn them all at once.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 08:56:40 2017 No.18035661 「パソコン」より「電脳」が使われたらよかったって君もそう思うだろう？

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 09:11:36 2017 No.18035709 File: 187 KB, 282x406, qgcUu.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] is auto furigana generation for the expression field possible when creating cards in ankidroid?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 09:27:48 2017 No.18035746 File: 779 KB, 1080x1920, Screenshot_20171214-082226.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do you have somebody to keep you motivated while you study, /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 09:37:01 2017 No.18035760 >>18035746 myself

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 09:37:11 2017 No.18035761 >>18035649 >どこにでもいる普通の女子高生・小山ハルは、ある日交通事故に遭い――気づいたときには異世界に転移していた。

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 09:50:43 2017 No.18035797 >>18035746 That would only motivate me to fap instead of study

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 10:02:05 2017 No.18035829 >can't remember anything >keep failing words over and over >feel like shit >80-85% true retention every time eh?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 10:11:26 2017 No.18035857 >>18035661 個人用計算機

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 10:16:04 2017 No.18035866 >>18035857 L'ordinateur personnel/10

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 10:18:01 2017 No.18035871 >>18035829 pain is growth

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 10:28:12 2017 No.18035909 Is バグしてもいい？something like 'Am I getting a bug?'? If so, what is the purpose of いい at the end? Sorry, I'm new to reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 10:53:51 2017 No.18035987 File: 24 KB, 489x445, 489px-Inuktitut.svg.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Welcome to: DIT - Daily Inuktitut Thread Have you learned your cree tables yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 11:29:28 2017 No.18036117 >>18034336 is there really no bd on nyaa for new game s2? this seems like a decent method to learn by but dont use hs when the series aired months ago

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 11:32:08 2017 No.18036130 >>18035797 agree

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:08:37 2017 No.18036296

Are Japanese people really as uninteresting and shallow as they seem? I watched some of those asianboss videos where he interviewed e.g. young people about participation in politics, women about playing dumb, hostess bars, etc. and I can't tell if all japanese men are implicitly fucking autistic to the max or if it's everyone.

People just like openly admitting to not ever really discussing anything interesting or of substance, girls admitting they act retarded so guys find them attractive, dudes going to hostess bars and paying/their company paying hundreds or thousands of dollars to have scripted conversation etc.
Don't they feel fucking ashamed?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:17:41 2017 No.18036324 I'm going to learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:18:35 2017 No.18036328 >>18036324 it can't be done

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:24:06 2017 No.18036346 >>18036296 Most people are boring and uninspiring. Doesn't mean nothing good comes out of Japan, most good things are brought forth by individuals.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:25:52 2017 No.18036353 When learning a new word with a lot of definitions like 収まる, how do I know which ones are common? I've long forgotten the context I learned it in unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:26:33 2017 No.18036359 >>18036328 I'm having trouble just setting up Anki, so you might be right.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:40:15 2017 No.18036394

>>18036353
Most of the time there is actually just one or maybe two definitions, it's just that there is no one word that perfectly fits in English, so it gets translated to several different words that fits better or worse depending on the context. So the trick is to learn that one actual definition as a concept, not just relying on the entries in a Jap-Eng dictionary. Jap-Jap dictionaries are often helpful in this, and also you'll naturally get it if you read and encounter the word a lot in the wild.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:45:30 2017 No.18036415 Are Namasensei's instructions a legitimate way to learn Hiragana?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:47:39 2017 No.18036428 >>18036415 literally just read

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:49:02 2017 No.18036434 >>18036415 >>18036428 i mean you literally can't not learn hiragana just by starting core2k because you see them all the time in the example sentences, just use some instant recognition thing for one day and then start c6k

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:49:09 2017 No.18036436 >>18036415 Not if you want to learn how to write them properly, but just for recognition / memorization, it worked for me. Even though it's fucking retarded I still use his mnemonic for distinguishing シツソン

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:50:26 2017 No.18036438 >>18036436 I'll just write them 50 fucking times copying Tae Kim.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:52:24 2017 No.18036446

>>18036346
I don't know, man. Japan seems pretty uniquely fucked.

>35% young voter turnout, bunch of young people in the video didn't even know the name of their previous PM
>60% of 20somethines, 70% of 30somethings describe themselves as herbivore men
>cheating epidemic or some shit, no one gives a fuck about cheating
>salaryman lifestyle
etc.

As much as I love a lot of the history, art, /fa/ shit, langauge, etc. coming out of Japan I'd fucking hate to live there for an extended amount of time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:53:25 2017 No.18036452 >>18036446 They need a war with China to feel alive again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 12:55:38 2017 No.18036460 さむおきちゃった

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:21:44 2017 No.18036541 >>18036446 a-are you saying Japan has problems just like every other country?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:22:13 2017 No.18036542 The fragmented nature of「え、なに、こえーな何か言えよ。。。」is making me struggle to think of it as a coherent sentence. Any recommendations? The sentence before it is basically "What's with you all of a sudden?".

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:25:54 2017 No.18036549 >>18036541 まさか！！

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:31:42 2017 No.18036570 do they really use 青 for green? seems fucking retarded to have two colors for a single term.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:34:00 2017 No.18036577 >>18035761 しんで転生っていうのがはやってるのはいきたまま転生がはやるのとはちょっとちがうかんじがする

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:52:55 2017 No.18036632 Does 添い寝 have sexual connotations or is it just straight up sharing a bed with someone?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 13:58:25 2017 No.18036646 >>18036632 そいねはかぞくといっしょにねるかんじ

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:01:16 2017 No.18036654 >吾 can be read as あ Found my new pronoun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:03:19 2017 No.18036662 >>18036646 ありがとう！

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:04:08 2017 No.18036664 File: 346 KB, 674x623, 2017-12-14 14_03_20-Anki - User 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How does this teach me Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:06:02 2017 No.18036672 >>18036664 It won't

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:14:58 2017 No.18036707 >>18036542 え/なに/こえーな/何か言えよ This consists of 4 sentences.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:16:44 2017 No.18036718 >>18036570 うんカエルのいろとかね

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:17:13 2017 No.18036720 >>18036662 おともだちになろうよ

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:23:44 2017 No.18036745 >>18035451 >>18035655 >supposed to learn all this information >80% of it comes down to just reading more and getting used to it over time bit silly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:26:24 2017 No.18036754 What if I buy Japanese school text books for Japanese and study those as if I were a Japanese child?

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:27:56 2017 No.18036761

>>18036296
Asians in general are pretty shallow, its not necessarily as bad as it seems though.
Like if you just saw America through media and 4chan, you'd have a horribly different view than what it'd be like if you went outside and just talked to people.
The average person is not a gun swinging sjw out to sue you over looking at their shoes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:32:08 2017 No.18036778 >>18036542 >>18036707 Just butting in to say I'm guessing こえー is a slurred version of 怖い in case the first poster can't make sense of it. >>18036745 As opposed to what? Memorizing a whole dictionary won't make you fluent either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:33:01 2017 No.18036781 >>18036745 the importance of just reading as much as possible can't be overstated

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:34:36 2017 No.18036791

>>18036778
>>18036781
Well the general reliance on
>use this resource
>then do flashcards
is overly complicated when in essence you could just say
>here's the grammar you must know
>btw there are difference here and they do things like this
>now just go read shit you dumb baka

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:35:36 2017 No.18036793

>>18036541
I mean, yeah, but I think it's a little dishonest and retarded to pretend like Japan's issues aren't pretty serious as far as first world/countries worth living in go.

Not that I'm specifically emotionally invested in Japan or any other country really, but if I were a Japanese policymaker I'd be much more concerned about the status/direction my country was headed in compared to e.g. if I was a policymaker in the Netherlands.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:38:37 2017 No.18036807 >>18036791 the guide is not set in stone, if you have some recommendations for improvement, use the feedback link

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:38:48 2017 No.18036808

>>18036791
Nowhere in the guide does it say you're meant to do flashcards for all eternity to become fluent.
Even supposing you were to do that, what would you do when you've gone through the 10k/whateverk decks? Assume you're fluent and do nothing with it?
You're learning the language for a reason, aren't you? Then you'll eventually start reading and run into new words.
Furthermore, the resources are to get you off the ground so you don't start reading a manga and have absolutely no idea what they're saying. You need a basic level of knowledge that flashcards and grammar guides help you attain, but they can only help you so much. Once you've gotten your foot in the door and are ready to move on, you need to start reading and mining words to help you memorize them otherwise you won't be getting anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:40:16 2017 No.18036814 >>18036807 >>18036808 Well rather than the link I'm referring to people's attitudes, you actually see quite often people telling you to NOT go ahead and start reading and stick to flashcards and the "basics" first.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:40:43 2017 No.18036815 >>18036664 That's not the deck in the guide.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:45:16 2017 No.18036832 >>18036754 Japanese children don't learn Japanese from textbooks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:46:02 2017 No.18036835 >>18036807 it's not maintained anymore

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:46:10 2017 No.18036836

>>18036814
Because the overwhelming majority of people won't be able to read anything if they "just get right to reading"?
Even assuming you just learned all the kana in a couple of days before even starting properly, you'd now have absolutely no idea what kanji are, why there are no spaces, how grammar works, how context-heavy Japanese is, and so on.
Just as it takes common sense to assume you don't become fluent by just downloading the core deck with the highest number and going through it, it's also fair to assume you'll have the common sense of learning the basics of whatever language you're studying before you start reading material made for natives.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:47:12 2017 No.18036837 File: 56 KB, 640x400, detail_1042_1436811968.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18036832 さいしょはえほんだよこういうの

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:49:36 2017 No.18036843 >>18036793 I was just poking fun at you. Of course Japan has it's own problems, and people deluding themselves that Japan has the perfect society are in for a rude awakening. However, you're making it sound worse than it really is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:58:20 2017 No.18036866 File: 82 KB, 640x603, 9784061272743_w.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ゆうめいなえほんはこれかってみてね

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:59:39 2017 No.18036870 >>18036832 Ok, what if I hire a Japanese couple to take me in and raise me and pretend I'm a baby for a couple years?

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 14:59:46 2017 No.18036872

0a. Read about Kanji on Wikipedia so that you understand that they are not words.
0b. Watch a lot of anime with English subtitles so that spoken Japanese sounds familiar to you. The purpose of this is to make it easier to remember everything after this point.
1. Memorize the Hiragana and Katakana.
2. Start memorizing words from a frequency list or from this specific Anki deck https://mega.nz/#!QIQywAAZ!g6wRM6KvDVmLxq7X5xLrvaw7HZGyYULUkT_YDtQdgfU . Continue through the next steps the moment you start memorizing words. The purpose of this is to make grammar studies and reading less nonsensical.
3. Read through Tae Kim / Genki 1 AND 2 / Japanese: The Spoken Language / Speak Japanese in 90 Days / Imabi / Pomax / Sakubi as fast as possible.
4. Start reading actual Japanese. Manga with furigana, or dialogue-focused VNs with texthookers, are the most recommended first reading material.
5. Use any combination of the above grammar resources as a reference while reading, and/or the A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar series and/or A Handbook of Japanese Grammar Patterns *
6. Once you've been reading high volumes of Japanese every day for a few years, you will "know" Japanese.

* every word in that title is important, there are bad books with similar titles

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:02:32 2017 No.18036889

>>18036872
IF KANJI LOOK LIKE SCRIBBLES AT THE TIME YOU START STEP 4

- Radical/component study: if kanji still look like scribbles three days after starting Step 3. Do not postpone other studies.
- Kanji study: If radical/component study didn't work. Kanji to meaning if you're having trouble remembering words outside of reading practice. Kanji to kun'yomi and/or on'yomi if you're having trouble remembering words inside of reading practice. Do not postpone other studies. Do not use the book titled "Remembering The Kanji", every other Kanji resource you can easily find is better than it, there are even community resources based on RTK.
- Writing practice: if you have brain damage or if the aesthetic effect that writing kanji has on your mind is a powerful motivational force. Do not postpone other studies.

THINGS TO AVOID LIKE EBOLA

- Massive context cloze deletion (counterproductive)
- Cloze flashcards in general (pseudoscience)
- Sentence translation/comprehension flashcards (just read more, it's simpler and better)
- Postponing other studies while doing kanji study (if you're not directly on the track to reading/listening, you are not studying Japanese)
- Speaking -- DO NOT FORCE YOURSELF TO PRODUCE LARGE AMOUNTS OF SPEECH UNTIL IT WOULD ALREADY FEEL NATURAL FOR YOU TO SPEAK. YOU WILL DEVELOP BAD GRAMMAR/FAKE IDIOMS THAT WILL TAKE DECADES TO UNLEARN.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:19:39 2017 No.18036945 Ebola's pretty outdated though. Might wanna go with a classic that doesn't go away like cancer or AIDS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:20:00 2017 No.18036946 >>18036945 Some people want those.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:22:36 2017 No.18036952 >>18036946 Some people also enjoy shoving cacti up their asses.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:23:43 2017 No.18036959 I saw a singular handwritten Kanji that looks like 木日, but it's combined as one. I've tried multiradical searches and it hasn't paid off. Can someone point me in the right direction?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:25:10 2017 No.18036967 >>18036959 look for 目

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:25:37 2017 No.18036971 >>18036959 Would help if you'd post a picture of it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:27:55 2017 No.18036979 File: 4 KB, 56x43, Kanji.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18036967 Thanks, so it's 相? >>18036971 Here's the picture.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:28:11 2017 No.18036984 >>18036979 why did you look up 日

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:28:31 2017 No.18036988 File: 395 KB, 1920x1176, just.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18036889 >- Sentence translation/comprehension flashcards (just read more, it's simpler and better) T-t-they aren't that bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:28:36 2017 No.18036990 >>18036979 >confusing 日 and 目 Not gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:28:59 2017 No.18036995 >>18036979 Dammit, now that I look at it, it's embarrassingly obvious that it's 目. Need to get my shit together.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:31:25 2017 No.18037005 >>18036984 I'm a headass, sorry. >>18036990 Hey I'll have you know I don't think I will either, my Spanish teacher said I was too dumb to learn a language and I want to prove them wrong.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:33:50 2017 No.18037020 >>18037005 You can make it if you try hard enough, just as with everything in life. But why pick what is one of the hardest languages on the planet for a westerner to learn if you want to prove a teacher wrong?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:37:35 2017 No.18037035 >>18037020 I consume a lot of Japanese media and that's how I get the benefit of it, anything else just seems like a waste because I don't travel and don't talk to people much.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:46:01 2017 No.18037075

>>18036117
It looks like only the first two volumes are on Nyaa. I usually just pick up shows via HS's RSS feed and then if I really like a show I'll buy the BDs.
This one is pretty good so I might pick them up when I order the new volume of Komi-san on the 18th.
>>18037035
>I consume a lot of Japanese media
>and don't talk to people much.
You'll make it for sure -- just stick with it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:48:48 2017 No.18037085 Question - if you were going to translate "第話" would you use episode or chapter? I'm having a debate with my editor over it. I know the former is technically correct but I don't see it used by other groups.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:50:00 2017 No.18037090 File: 84 KB, 675x720, e92f016f33ce9a11aac284948aa09c21dfeb5c8729b0602c133a68a819ea3a99.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18037085 >technically correct but I don't see it used by other

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:51:08 2017 No.18037093 >>18037085 its used with numerals in books to mean chapters

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:56:53 2017 No.18037116 >>18037085 You're translating so if you don't know just guess or make something up. People who need a translation in the first place won't know any better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 15:57:17 2017 No.18037117 >刈る Dayum boi this 漢字 is クレーゼィー

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:02:04 2017 No.18037133 >>18037117 >刈る >ﾒﾘる dosdedt

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:07:42 2017 No.18037159 >>18036837 そして、よんまいのはなはじさつしためでたしめでたし

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:37:49 2017 No.18037312 File: 56 KB, 392x495, 1502616878685.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone gotten the hang of catching numbers during listening practice? They lose me every single time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:42:41 2017 No.18037332 >>18037312 no, especially not dates I think I need to focus on doing some math in japanese, summing different times

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:52:14 2017 No.18037357 File: 579 KB, 912x720, 1508379696206.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >びっくりマーク Cute

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 16:56:00 2017 No.18037376

>>18037312
I've had this same problem with French. I'm miles above my peers in vocab and such, but I still have to stop and ponder before I can read a number out loud.

I think we should do some "isolated number practice" or some flashgame or something. There's probably some out there.

I think classroom learners might be better at numbers (they're worse at everything else, obviously), since (I imagine) they spend several hours practicing them with little drills, and in many of the production stuff they'd do (like pretending you're a shopkeeper and other larp stuff).

Maybe try some listening exercises in Genki 1. Almost everything in the first two chapters relates to them IIRC (I don't whether the rest of the book has anything useful for these purposes, since I dropped it after chapter 2 I think)

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:24:18 2017 No.18037472

>>18037376
One thing classroom learners do have with numbers is usually a specific class just for numbers.
that is, they spend an entire day just learning numbers then spend the time between the next few classes practicing just numbers. then restudying them for the test.

if you're learning on your own you probably just read the number, say its easy, then move on and pretty much never go back.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:41:51 2017 No.18037532 >>18037472 Yes. I forgot to mention that I first learned French by self-studying, so that's pretty much what happened.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:54:54 2017 No.18037598 >>18037312 数え歌 (ft.千早) will solve all of your problems it'll even solve your problems counting in french

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 17:58:28 2017 No.18037609 File: 681 KB, 960x476, 1512331698471.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 難しいですね

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:17:09 2017 No.18037682 >>18035649 That looks kind of interesting. Someone should scan it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:25:14 2017 No.18037705 File: 637 KB, 1440x2560, Screenshot_20171214-172413.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Djt btfo???

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:27:50 2017 No.18037719 >>18037705 thinly veiled raid

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:35:18 2017 No.18037760 [DELETED]

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>>18037705
>15 year olds cant comprehend jrpg language
hes right I never touched an rpg until I was an adult, i've never heard of a kid ever playing an rpg and understanding the vocabulary or story

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:44:10 2017 No.18037809 >>18037760 Well games are not for children after all. It's something only adults can comprehend.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:48:15 2017 No.18037827 >>18037705 I mean I know people who work in Japan as English teachers who speak basically nothing. I mean obviously you won't be fluent unless you actually live in Japan speaking Japanese constantly to Japanese people while actively studying.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:51:03 2017 No.18037841 [DELETED]

>>18037827
I consider myself fluent in English. I may have an accent when speaking as I have never been to an English speaking country in my life, but I have no problem with producing comprehensible English text and of course I understand practically everything. I don't see why the same isn't possible for Japanese with extensive exposure.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:53:48 2017 No.18037857 >>18037841 You're speaking to English speaking people currently. Written text online is essentially speaking for what I'm saying. Point being constant exposure to people who speak it fluently and talking to them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:55:18 2017 No.18037862 >>18037705 What exactly is a "complex JRPG" according to this guy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:55:54 2017 No.18037865 >>18037827 >I mean obviously you won't be fluent unless you actually live in Japan speaking Japanese constantly to Japanese people while actively studying. lolno

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 18:59:56 2017 No.18037883 >>18037857 Right, so I can reach the same level of proficiency by regularly browsing 2chan while being exposed to Japanese media.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 19:10:58 2017 No.18037932 fluent != native level please keep this in my mind before you throw shit at each other for the next 50 posts

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 19:24:02 2017 No.18037986

>>18037932
The proficiency gap is huge even if you compare two natives. Somebody indulging in complicated literature with a university education is going to be more proficient than someone who didn't get through high school. If you are implying natives are on some kind of pedestal that learners can never reach you are incredibly wrong.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 19:30:56 2017 No.18038017

>>18037986
Not them but I'd go so far as to say you need to be a fluent citizen.
Its one thing to be able to read books, but knowing the common usages and terms for things as well as slang is something that takes constant upkeep, since oftentimes you'll never hear it. Even using anime manga and books, unless you're exposed to it constantly it won't make sense. Same with cultural choices and things to that nature (which does have an impact on how people say things), its 1 thing to read about it, its another to actually be there and experiencing it to understand what it really means

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 19:33:57 2017 No.18038025 >>18038017 Does learning English inherently differ from learning Japanese in that regard? Do enlighten me if so. Otherwise I'd say that comes from exposing yourself to a variety of media, not just reading.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 19:49:55 2017 No.18038104

>>18038025
Well I have relatives from Korea that speak fluent English and read books to keep up with the skills but I constantly have to explain what things mean. Because while they understand the words, things like drag racing or queens never come up in normal stories or lessons. Same with slang or just uncommon words/unsavory words.
Not many people are taught what a whore is.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 19:59:19 2017 No.18038148

>>18038104
To be honest I doubt that their exposure is that good in the first place.
It's fair to say that there isn't anything you can not learn if you are exposed to it. People whose sole goal is consuming Japanese media are perfectly capable of picking up all the nuance provided they have enough exposure. If you use your relatives as an example, I can use myself as an example as a person who has learned English just fine and it's really not like that is rare these days.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:00:02 2017 No.18038153 Japanese is not special.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:03:31 2017 No.18038170 >>18038153 No language is special except for this one maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:09:32 2017 No.18038198 >>18038170 No, that language isn't special either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:11:32 2017 No.18038201 >>18038198 ok, thanks for letting me know

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:12:27 2017 No.18038205

>>18038148
Well point more that certain things just never come up, or noone thinks to teach them. They just have to hear it someone and realize
"oh, a rubber doesn't mean an eraser! it means condom!"

or someone saying uchi in japanese and you're wondering why the fuck they're talking about homes, but its actually them just talking about themselves.
thousands of small things like that, noone thinks of telling you until you hear it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:19:52 2017 No.18038225 >>18038205 teaching doesn't matter you obviously don't know japanese because teaching would never take anyone to basic fluency, let alone functional fluency

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:20:14 2017 No.18038227

>>18038205
I thought we were talking about the limited potential of language learners and not the difficulties people have that casually learned the language for a month or two. Both of those are horrible examples as absolutely everyone with a bit of experience knows them. If you could mention one English expression that all natives know but I don't I will believe you. If you actually think anyone has problems with rubber = condom you have just been talking to people who have absolutely no proficiency in English whatsoever. Hell, that's not even some quirky cultural expression as it makes perfect sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:20:26 2017 No.18038228 >>18038205 >or someone saying uchi in japanese and you're wondering why the fuck they're talking about homes, but its actually them just talking about themselves. I don't know Japanese and I know this.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:25:26 2017 No.18038250

>>18038227
>If you could mention one English expression that all natives know but I don't I will believe you
Not him but the only things I can think of that qualify for this are
1 - terms for regional foods, regional concepts, etc. every dialect has them, but every dialect has different ones.
2 - terms for universal concepts that are region specific for some reason. where I live, yard sales/garage sales are called "Tag Sale", which probably sounds like some kind of special kind of clearance sale at warehouse stores
3 - literary things that are no longer acquired by the current youngest generation of speakers and will become archaic soon
4 - brand new slang that people older than 40 years old wouldn't understand without it being explained to them
5 - idioms that only make sense when interpreted as conflations of existing idioms and many people would consider incorrect, even though they're real

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:25:33 2017 No.18038251

>>18038227
I just happened to have a british friend who used rubber to speak of erasers. In which case same applies but transport them to britain and wonder why everyone is talking about condoms on their pencils.

being fluent just means you can talk to people and express yourself, you can be perfectly fluent and still not know many common expressions. point of being a native/living there is that you're exposed to those small things of daily life that people literally never think of (hence hard to think of them) until someone says something weird and you laugh at them.

another one I had a friend not know what cunt was, fluent enough he can function in society and work, but words like that still catch them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:35:35 2017 No.18038299 >>18038250 You've inherently described 1-4 as things that not all natives know. If they'd be an issue to a native who moved across the country, it's not really worthwhile to point out that they'd be an issue to foreigners.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 20:38:32 2017 No.18038314

>>18038250
>terms for regional foods, regional concepts
>universal concepts that are region specific
Not all native speakers know those either. If they are so prevalent as to be known nationally, it will no doubt find it's way into media or the news. So "native-level" still is an entirely meaningless word. Of course you will never learn it if it is never used.
>literary things that are no longer acquired by the current youngest generation of speakers and will become archaic soon
I doubt it. Advanced learners will in all likelihood be interacting more with literature than a lot of native speaker. I'd wager I can produce better archaic English than most native speakers.
>brand new slang
As a young person interacting with young people on the internet I doubt this even more.
>idioms that only make sense when interpreted as conflations of existing idioms and many people would consider incorrect, even though they're real
So things native speakers don't understand either?

And you didn't give me any examples, just vague categories. It's strange because I think you quoted me asking for examples.

>>18038251
>being fluent just means you can talk to people and express yourself
So you want to play it like that? I mean sure, you can define fluent like that. I'll say what I said earlier again, I thought we were talking about the limits a language learner can reach when compared to a native speaker. I don't see the point in you continuing to talk about people who clearly don't know English.
One thing I'll say though is that language is not static. Even if I think of a condom when I hear "rubber" by itself, I will know what is meant when someone says "Can you give me your rubber" in the middle of class so
>wonder why everyone is talking about condoms on their pencils
this person would have to suffer from some kind retardation to make this believable.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:09:51 2017 No.18038439

When did this thread become "I don't believe that foreigners can handle my language so I'm going to pull the shittiest examples imaginable out of my ass" general? These hypothetical situations are so laughably absurd it's like you've never even talked to a foreigner extensively before.
We get it, you have an unshakeable faith in your opinion despite not even having anecdotal evidence.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:14:04 2017 No.18038450 稼働初期から槍鯖の姫って言われれて獅子奮迅の活躍で当番イベントもあってあの青いのに次ぐ霊基の多さで人気者のはずなのになんでかしら。。。？ I can't make head or tails of this line, what does it say to you guys?

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:21:19 2017 No.18038479

>>18038450
Context is FGO, on this page in this doujin
https://exhentai.org/s/5924a4510d/1019083-6
On the second panel, and the second line of Eli's monologue

It really does feel like nonsense to me, this is the first time I've been stumped so hard by a jap line

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:23:37 2017 No.18038490

>>18038314
Hoagie
Tag sale
I left for to get away
I'm finna get in on it
I had one of these a few weeks ago but can't think of it anymore

None of these would remotely be a roadblock to comprehension or communication. That's why I listed them as categories instead of examples, because I wasn't trying to argue in favor of "it's hard to communicate like a native".

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:31:16 2017 No.18038521

>>18038450
In the early days of the operation I was called the princess of 槍鯖 and had irresistible 当番エベント, that purity should have made me a popular person among the 霊基 masses so I wonder why... (it didn't work).

I could be wrong, so I wouldn't take it as 100% correct. I took just a real quick look at the doujin, so I assumed the speaker is an idol of some sort who failed to get popular.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:40:50 2017 No.18038554 File: 210 KB, 636x760, 00035.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone know what she means by したりしなかったり? here?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:41:31 2017 No.18038559 >>18038521 >槍鯖の姫って言われれて not that guy, but damm that part fucks me in the ass

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:42:21 2017 No.18038564

>>18038450
From the early days of the server launch, I was called a top tier wave-clear lancer servant and was used frequently, there were also several events where I was the main heroine - so I wonder why I'm not as popular now?

Does this look right to you guys, or am I a retard?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:45:28 2017 No.18038573 >>18038564 Someone's played their fare share of FGO. Sounds a lot better than mine, that's for sure.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:46:12 2017 No.18038577 >>18038450 I know nothing about fate but あの青いの sounds like it refers to another servant (that blue guy from the original?), and 霊基 sounds like some kind of stat

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:47:49 2017 No.18038586 File: 148 KB, 400x400, maggierainbow400[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18038554 http://maggiesensei.com/2013/09/29/how-to-use-%E3%80%9C%E3%81%9F%E3%82%8Atari-%E3%81%9F%E3%82%8A%E3%81%97%E3%81%A6tarishite/ Maggie > Tyler. Bring it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:56:30 2017 No.18038626 >>18038586 Thank you, that was helpful. So basically Hiiragi is a slut. Fuck.

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 21:58:36 2017 No.18038632
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Hello, this is a bit of a technical question that would help a lot the learning of new kanji. Basically, do you know where can I get, or the name, of the dictionary that shows the kanji radicals as in the picture? The image is from VNR but don't know what dictionary is bringing that up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:01:34 2017 No.18038642 >>18038586 maggie is better at some things, but the real challenge is the hunt to find it in her site

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:02:05 2017 No.18038646 >>18038632 Delete that parser. You shouldn't use any program that indicates the part of speech or supposed reading of words. They are very wrong on a regular basis and you start depending on them if you use them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:05:42 2017 No.18038664 >>18038646 That's the plan, going with just rikaisama. Even though I'm interested in the dictionary of kanji radicals, which helps when learning new kanji (because I'm very forgetful).

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:43:35 2017 No.18038801
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Trying to read pic related. Whenever I try and draw the third kanji, the searcher only brings up the two separate kanji 谷欠
From context I can tell the sentence means something like "Are you friendless?" But what does that third kanji mean specifically?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:45:48 2017 No.18038809 >>18038801 欲しい

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:49:03 2017 No.18038827 >>18038586 Pretty sure he explains how to list verbs with り

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:50:39 2017 No.18038834 File: 36 KB, 450x450, 00d0d_2LNyT3L7GB9_600x450[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18038809 ありがとう Now I can move to 日本 and get a real 仕事のビーサ

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:51:29 2017 No.18038843 >>18038632 Answering myself. It's part of HanziJS, a kanji decomposer: https://github.com/nieldlr/hanzi There is a file named cjk-decomp.txt with the list of kanji and its components inside.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:53:11 2017 No.18038849 >>18038834 liked and subscribed

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 22:59:32 2017 No.18038885 >>18038827 >Pretty sure he explains how to list verbs with りいやいや、それは関係ないんだよ。ＴＹＬＥＲよりＭＡＧＧＩＥのほうがかわいいんだ。

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 23:04:12 2017 No.18038909 >>18038849 Thanks, please be sure to follow my Jvlog. It will be titled "New and useful insights from an American living in Japan"

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 23:43:08 2017 No.18039081 >>18038909 will do kid

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 23:50:28 2017 No.18039115 >>18038801 Shouldn't you use radical based search if you don't know stroke order well enough to use handwriting recognition?

Anonymous Thu Dec 14 23:56:32 2017 No.18039134

>>18039115
Yeah I tried but I didn't know that 谷 was a radical on its own, separate from 父 and 口.
For what it's worth, I did get the stroke order correct but I couldn't get it compact enough in the right shape for the searcher to recognize it as a single kanji

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 14 23:58:23 2017 No.18039140 たにかけしい

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:20:45 2017 No.18039239 >社会の窓なんてこった

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:23:49 2017 No.18039248 File: 120 KB, 480x616, 34495841[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18039239 >社会の窓 dosdedt

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:35:20 2017 No.18039276 >>18039239 >societyのwindow >pants zipper Man I know that kanji aren't words but what the fuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:38:35 2017 No.18039285 >>18039276 idioms m8, kanji has nothing to do with it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:42:41 2017 No.18039293 >>18039276 shh you'll upset the busy beavers handwriting or doing RTK

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:46:45 2017 No.18039300 >>18039276 some kanji are words

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:52:14 2017 No.18039319 >>18039276 >door of the barn >pants zipper oy vey

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 00:56:50 2017 No.18039329 File: 7 KB, 425x292, e.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18039134 What do you mean "compact enough"? I'm legit curious

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 01:22:30 2017 No.18039393 File: 25 KB, 443x344, ayy.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18039329 Maybe he used a different website.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 01:30:43 2017 No.18039416 >>18039329 the tool he used sounds like it might be retarded but don't overestimate the handwriting of someone who can't read simple kanji

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 01:51:33 2017 No.18039474 >>18038439 the /jp/ DJT always works like this it takes 1 guy to make a simple question or thinly veiled bait to go into full autism wars /int/ DJT is better in this aspect but its just Koreans speaking in kana along with pepe.jpg every 6th post

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 01:55:12 2017 No.18039483 >>18039474 what was /a/ DJT like?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 01:57:47 2017 No.18039492 >>18039483 both at the same time

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:05:10 2017 No.18039521 >>18036446 koizumi was really the first time that Japanese citizens actually engaged with the political system. before that, especially campaigning for PM, was mostly a internal affair. Civic participation hasn't had much time to seep through.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:06:36 2017 No.18039524 >>18036654 Tawara Machi constantly uses this in her tanka.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:15:51 2017 No.18039552 >>18039393 あのんおもしろーい

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:24:08 2017 No.18039577 >I should try to be a good girl; though I decided to that extent >いい子でいようとあれほど決めたのにどうしてあなたは勝手なことするの？ >いようと What's this doing? I tried googling an explanation but they all suck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:26:30 2017 No.18039581 >>18039577 居よう

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:27:10 2017 No.18039584 >>18039577 Some version of 居る. Translates to something like "trying to be"

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:29:15 2017 No.18039590

>>18039581
Thanks but let me clarify the question a little more. What is the と after the volitional form doing? I get what volitional+とする and other stuff like that, but when it's just と after the volitional I'm lost.

>>18039584
So it's kinda like とする and is just connecting 「あれほど決めた」 to the clause?

By the way the sentence might sound a bit fucked up because it's a vocaloid song.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:34:08 2017 No.18039601 >>18039590 居ようと is probably just short for 居ようとする

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:35:26 2017 No.18039604 >>18039590 バカな質問は聞かないでおこうと自分に言い聞かせる

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:36:57 2017 No.18039609 >>18039604 ｗｗｗｗｗｗお兄ちゃん、エピック！

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:38:13 2017 No.18039613 >>18039590 I don't know the grammar rules but feeling wise the と is basically quoting いい子でいよう which happened in the past followed by the あれほど決めたのに Someone else can probably explain the grammar behind it

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 02:44:27 2017 No.18039632

>>18039590
>What is the と after the volitional form doing?
It doesn't sound like you're parsing/looking at it correctly.

It's just と...決める, a lot of things can come before it, volitional is one of them.

This shouldn't throw you off; maybe you're just not used to seeing conjugations of いる.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 03:39:59 2017 No.18039766

>>18037376
Maybe this is just me but I think I subconsciously feel numbers are piss easy and if I mess them up I'll sound super-retarded

so instead of just blurting out what comes to mind and calmly correcting it like I would with any other word, I always stop entirely and recite/double-check it in my head. Which is a self-defeating habit since pausing at numbers makes one sound retarded anyway, but a hard one to break since I'm used to reading 95% of other words correctly.

maybe you're on to something with that classroom theory

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 03:45:47 2017 No.18039775 File: 46 KB, 650x795, weblio arehodo.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18039590 あれほど is an adverb >いい子でいよう be a good girl >いい子でいようと決めた decided to be a good girl >いい子でいようとあれほど決めた decided so much to be a good girl

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 03:53:28 2017 No.18039794
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Is there such a thing as a complete list of counters?

How good is Wikipedia's? English version, in this case, since the Jap one is ordered by what it counts instead of kanji.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 04:07:51 2017 No.18039819
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Is 20 new cards a day best even for slow learners? It seems a little aggressive and even though I've been retaining it, it seems difficult. I need to make manual flash cards and review it even when I'm done. Is 5 too little? 10 the sweet spot?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 04:08:20 2017 No.18039821 File: 12 KB, 307x206, jisho.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18039794 like this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 04:09:57 2017 No.18039828 >>18039821 Hey, that's a nice idea.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 04:22:52 2017 No.18039862 >>18039819 lower your cards to the point where you can stop this nonsense ↓ > need to make manual flash cards and review it even when I'm done.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 04:46:13 2017 No.18039912 >>18039862 Alright, I'll bring it down to 5 and go up from there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 05:29:17 2017 No.18040002 >>18039775 >いい子でいようとあれほど決めたのにどうしてあなたは勝手なことするの？ぜんごによっていみがかなりかわるかもしれないからきをつけないといけない文だとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 06:54:32 2017 No.18040283 File: 30 KB, 456x461, 1344401740723.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I have a problem where I try to translate every Japanese sentence I read into English in my head and I think its screwing me up hard

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 07:09:50 2017 No.18040320 >>18040283 That fades over time, you ranga brat

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 07:10:12 2017 No.18040322 >>18039134 >父 Well there's your problem.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 07:15:41 2017 No.18040339 >>18038646 You mean like paying sentences into jisho.org?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 07:35:18 2017 No.18040384 >>18038646 >You shouldn't use any program that indicates the part of speech But what's wrong with that?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 07:36:50 2017 No.18040387 だいじょうぶだよもうちょっとがんばろう

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 07:42:44 2017 No.18040404 >>18038632 What the hell are you even doing? Just study normally.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 07:45:17 2017 No.18040409 File: 42 KB, 480x270, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] いいことおもいついた

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 09:17:27 2017 No.18040682
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>mfw this is my score after 5 years

Especially the reading is weird because I can generally read things completely fine, maybe it's just my bad logic when it comes to picking what something is supposed to be about.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 09:25:21 2017 No.18040716 File: 153 KB, 590x417, 1396596123926.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >in the middle of writing く to memorize >close my eyes and flip to a blank page >write あいうえお from memory >remember きandく but can't remember "ka"

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 09:35:28 2017 No.18040775
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>>18040682
The more I take JCAT, the less I believe it's a decent indicator of ability. I know I've gotten a lot better, and I read a ton, yet I got a lower score than my previous test.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 09:37:17 2017 No.18040784 >>18040682 Take a look at the N2 and N1 Kanzen Master grammar books. Some of the nuance being tested requires a massive amount of input to acquire naturally.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:26:38 2017 No.18040989 >have been learning Japanese for almost three years now >still have to think before writing あ or お to make sure I'm not writing the wrong one 誰か、殺してくれ

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 10:34:59 2017 No.18041014 >>18040989 >writing

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:06:20 2017 No.18041097 I'm at the very early stages of reviewing sentences with Anki, what less destructive: to not continue reviewing which will be postponed for tomorrow or should i just hit 2-4 keys to "review" it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:13:05 2017 No.18041114 File: 128 KB, 581x443, 1479920476579.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 誰かいい漫画を推薦して下さい

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:16:31 2017 No.18041120 >>18041114 難易度は

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:21:15 2017 No.18041133 File: 176 KB, 499x1428, 中川ちゃんをカツアゲするな.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18041114 4コマでもええなら平成生まれはおススメやおもろくてかわいい子もようけおるんやで

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:33:35 2017 No.18041164

>>18039912
5 seems really low to me. Even if it feels too aggressive to do 20 a day, you need to consider how long it will take you to complete if you lower them that far. Doing 20 a day, the core 6000 will be done in less than a year. Doing 5 a day, the core 6000 will be done in three and a half years. You'll be much better off dealing with how hard it feels now than you would be spending the better part of 5 years to acquire a measly 6000 words.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:34:12 2017 No.18041166 >TkyoRants: How I Learned All 4000+ Japanese Kanji in 1 Year...B*tch this fat clown lol I "learnt" 2k kanji in 2,5 month but I guess for normies 1 year and 4k kanji together seem like unobtainable task

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:35:27 2017 No.18041170 >>18040682 how can you guys learn Japanese for so long and still haven't learnt it, didn't you think at some point >shit, my methods must be bad ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:35:39 2017 No.18041171 >>18041120 ほぼN2

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:48:01 2017 No.18041209 >>18041170 Let's see your score.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:54:01 2017 No.18041225 >>18041209 I've just started so it's not really about quantity. You have neither quality nor quantity if you still hang around here after 5 long years though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:54:11 2017 No.18041227 >締め >counter for faggots お前らやっぱり８８締めのOPだな。 Captcha: Norman Tobacco.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:57:46 2017 No.18041240 >>18041227 何言ってるかわからないよ

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 11:57:59 2017 No.18041242 >>18041225 >I've just started >thinks his opinions mean shit ok that aside, "years" could mean anything from half an hour a day because of work/studies whatever to full neet mode

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 12:13:43 2017 No.18041298
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>>18041120
Japanese is reductionist so it's a good general idea to aim for cutting out unnecessary verbiage, but when asking a question you really should use a question mark or when applicable か. Questions reads poorly without them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 12:15:47 2017 No.18041306 >>18041242 yeah, you are right but in the end what I see are excuses

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 12:35:27 2017 No.18041395 旅行で日本に行けるように溜めてるので今から金を稼ぎに行きます。後でね、みんな〜

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:02:22 2017 No.18041499 頑張れなーせっかくやからこのセリフを出すきっかけを待ってたやけどおおもうかりまっか？

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:03:38 2017 No.18041504 >>18041499 しもうた、>>18041395さんへの返事やった

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:16:13 2017 No.18041551 File: 128 KB, 800x500, osaka.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18041499 >>18041504 ぼっちぼっちでんなぁってか、なんでやねん！

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 13:52:55 2017 No.18041685
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>>18031993
i finally managed to do it brehs. now yomichan almost works like rikaisama setup. all i want now is a shortcut to get the marked kanji and all info into the cache like rikaisama did and iam over it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 14:38:38 2017 No.18041843 >>18041551 正解や～

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 14:50:25 2017 No.18041885 >>18041225 >i just started >ajatt said i could be native in 1.5 years lol have fun xd

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 14:53:49 2017 No.18041892 File: 74 KB, 704x977, professional translation.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 15:27:22 2017 No.18042001 File: 14 KB, 100x100, 1513369642460.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18041892 The first one is clearly wrong, but I don't see what's supposed to be wrong with the second one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 15:32:59 2017 No.18042021 >>18042001 Take a closer look at the kanji. The whole sentence means the exact opposite.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 15:41:58 2017 No.18042059 >>18042021 The second part of the sentence is clearly wrong too

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 15:48:47 2017 No.18042073 >>18042021 鈍い != 鋭い "be a good match for" != "keep up with"

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 15:49:51 2017 No.18042077 >>18042001 鈍い != 鋭い "be a good match for" != "keep up with"

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 16:15:23 2017 No.18042143 [DELETED]

Holy kek, you can't make this shit up. Saw this in my discord feed, so which one of you guys posted this?

>yes, i admit it. i'm a terrible HACK of a translator
"three years of self-taught experience" just means that I've occasionally read a few VNs with text hookers in that span of time
i'm so lazy and stupid that even after spending hours and hours in front of a computer screen lifting my eyes above moon runes I still have not even scratched the damn surface of these incomprehensible chinese cartoon hieroglyphs
I may have a couple of doujinshi under my belt, but the genuine native Jap speaking translators could probably vouch for how FUCKING garbo they are, compare the raw to the translation and you'll quickly see that I'm just rewriting most of the fucking script
I have spent so much fucking time trying to learn this language, and yet to this day i still use machine translating tools such as kanji tomo and TA with JParser, and being completely dependant on them to parse my text
not to mention, I'm a fucking autistic ESL who has been ostrasized most of my social life, bullied into the submissive chink i am today

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 16:16:53 2017 No.18042149 >>18042143 fuck off already Svinevw392

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 16:55:28 2017 No.18042302
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So, anons, I just started using Anki and I'm a little bit unsure about how many cards should I study per day? I'm currently doing Anki's defaul (20), but it seems a very low number.
How much do you guys do/recommend?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 16:57:30 2017 No.18042308 >>18042302 20, realize that you'll be reviewing cards on top of that as well. Those will add up over time most likely.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 16:57:43 2017 No.18042309 >>18042302 20 is the number of new cards added to the study pool each day, not the number of cards you'll study each dah

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:01:08 2017 No.18042319

>>18042308
So I should just keep it how it is?

>>18042309
Well, it only adds more in the next day, and since I'm new to Anki I don't even know how to add more by myself or if I should do so. I don't want to screw my learning process adding too many stuff I won't remember.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:05:29 2017 No.18042331 >>18042319 Yeah, just keep it as is for a while. Adjust up or down if you feel that it's still too slow after a couple of weeks. Personally I'd only adjust up if I see the total amount of cards due to go down.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:06:45 2017 No.18042336 >>18042302 At the start it might be fine to go higher but you'll probably want to roll back to 20 once you have to start reviewing more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:06:51 2017 No.18042337 okay,I got through namasenseis nouns and adjectives. now I need to find good verbs. guess it's time to start anki 2k/6k, you bitch.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:11:28 2017 No.18042357 >>18041171 no idea if you're into that kind of stuff but I thought Dance in the Vampire Bund wasn't too bad it contains many political or old words etc. and everyday stuff that you would usually write in kana only are written with kanji

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:11:55 2017 No.18042361
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Does anyone have a downloadable copy of the 2nd Yotsubato Reading Pack? The link to the guide is to the paid version,
and I'm poor. I'm printing them out along with hard copies of the first two volumes in Japanese for my friend for Christmas.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:14:30 2017 No.18042375 >>18042361 Your friend deserves someone better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:17:11 2017 No.18042391 >>18042361 It's "pay what you want".

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:17:11 2017 No.18042392 >>18042361 >>18042375 I'm clearly retarded anyway because the official site gives you the option to download it for free as well.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:25:33 2017 No.18042436 こんばんは、国際板から来た平凡野郎だけどみんな元気してるの

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 17:46:01 2017 No.18042538 >>18041685 I don't believe you. Post screenie of an EPWING import.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:11:18 2017 No.18042631 さむいねむいさむいねむい

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:24:11 2017 No.18042684 File: 66 KB, 485x360, 顔.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw get the correct reading of 交代 in a heated H scene

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:26:12 2017 No.18042691 >>18042631 寒いね。無為寒い。眠い。

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:29:28 2017 No.18042698 Global warming i s a meme 地球温暖化はミームです

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:32:27 2017 No.18042702 File: 26 KB, 433x380, 1509502114687.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why do English ca/ka sounds become "kya" in Japanese? e.g. you would expect "cat" to be "カット" but it's actually "キャット".

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:33:12 2017 No.18042705 そろそろすすはらいしたいなあとおもうでもさむいねむいさむいねむい

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:33:42 2017 No.18042708 >>18042702 If the "a" sound is the sound in "ash" then it's closer to japonize it as Xya rather than Xa.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:40:54 2017 No.18042733 Do japanese have a term for "filthy secondary" besides にわか which is more closer to "bandwagoner"?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:41:23 2017 No.18042737 >>18042698 お前の人生はミームです

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:43:11 2017 No.18042746 「ミーム」は音が蟲っぽいとおもいます

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:44:10 2017 No.18042752 >>18042746 ミメシス

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:47:32 2017 No.18042771 >>18042733 ミーハー？

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:48:42 2017 No.18042778 >>18036872 >>18036889 Good advice except for >Read through Imabi as fast as possible. Reading Imabi would take fucking ages. It's like 400 lessons long or some shit. You may as well be telling people to read the entire DoJG/HJGP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:49:42 2017 No.18042781 >>18042778 I forgot about that. Should've added a note like "only the beginner and maybe intermediate lessons for Imabi".

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:52:47 2017 No.18042792 >>18042752 「ミメシス」は音が名前っぽいとおもいます

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 18:53:00 2017 No.18042793
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>>18042302
I don't really understand. I started with DJT's 20 recommended cards but was totally overwhelmed and each day it took me 1-2 hours to get through a handful of reviews. It was only over time that I managed to increase my new cards to 20 - 30 a day and make it sustainable as I gained speed and retention. I'm not sure if I'm retarded or y'all just studied a year or two already and are giving beginners the wrong impression of what they should do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:02:09 2017 No.18042826 >>18042792 ギリシャ語の発言ですよね英語圏の哲学で使われるようになった理論的に名前のように使えるけど、あの、つまり抽象名詞です

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:06:17 2017 No.18042840 memeはにほんごではコピペでいいのかないいかたはなんこかあるとおもうよ

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:07:31 2017 No.18042844

>>18042302
>I'm currently doing Anki's defaul (20), but it seems a very low number.
A lot of people think that, then set the number higher, and after coping for a week or so the reviews start rapidly piling up, their failure rate starts climbing higher and higher and before long it becomes completely unsustainable and they have to quit and start from scratch.

Anki is a long-term commitment. The tortoise who steadily advances by 20 words each day and learns 7300 by the end of the year will win out over the hare who rushes ahead at 50 words a day, is struggling to remember any of the words he's encountered after 2 weeks and then gives up on Anki and probably Japanese altogether for a month or more.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:10:54 2017 No.18042860

>>18042844
I agree with this post, but I'd also like to mention that doing 20 words a day in Anki doesn't mean that you'll only learn 20 words in a day. If you're actually exposing yourself to "muh input", then you'll find yourself knowing words that you haven't even anki'd in no time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:15:12 2017 No.18042885 File: 75 KB, 600x337, 8bbcfaadee47f100be1e4586382ced34_tb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 画像のゲームがかいがいで禁止になったってどうして？

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:15:46 2017 No.18042888 >>18042885 スティームだけですけど

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:16:55 2017 No.18042897 >>18042885 ロリコンは虐げられるからさ

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:19:09 2017 No.18042910 >>18018377 You still here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:19:11 2017 No.18042911 >>18042885 小児性愛なんだから

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:19:59 2017 No.18042917 わかんないけど男の子も出てればセーフだったの？

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:23:23 2017 No.18042938 >>18042885 ここの民度は子供に対してちょっと過敏と思う二次元なのに

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:32:06 2017 No.18042972 >>18042917 ショタも違反じゃないか、強姦される人は女性ばかりではない

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:33:35 2017 No.18042978

>>18042910
Ja, but my Japanese is too shit for me to do or take charge of something like that.

The first step would be having a Google Docs page like the guide which people could freely contribute to, then to post the link to it here and encourage people to just contribute to it whatever they could, but it would have to be under the supervision of someone who's fluent or at least close to that level so as to avoid erroneous contributions from being accepted into the finished product.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:35:33 2017 No.18042989 >>18042978 >but it would have to be under the supervision of someone who's fluent or at least close to that level Or better yet, a native speaker.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:38:32 2017 No.18043006 >>18042978 I was thinking of collecting example sentences from real media, preferably manga as it contains more visual context, but I want to know if other people are also interested in this before I start.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:47:01 2017 No.18043046 File: 121 KB, 420x248, cirno.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18043006 it's worth giving it a shot

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 19:56:20 2017 No.18043095

I'm using KKLC as a basis for kanji cards and when it doesn't give re-use a keyword exactly (with no additional disambiguation), it often uses very similar keywords that trip me up. It seems to be only designed for kanji -> keyword which is unfortunate. My cards are keyword -> kanji because kanji -> keyword seems pointless and I get kanji recognition practice in vocab. I'm using the kanji cards to force myself to remember the small differences in strokes.

Does anyone have any experience/advice? It's easy enough to search for exact duplicate keywords, but those are only the most obvious issues. I found a couple of decks that do nothing about this. In advance of being told not to do kanji cards, I had a trouble with mixing up vocab before and this seems to have made a significant difference.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:02:57 2017 No.18043117

>>18043095
Doing keyword -> kanji is the right thing. A lot of Kanji are very similar in meaning so there isn't much you do in that regard unless you want to make up things like RTK.
It should be obvious but Kanji should never be studied by themselves. To get the best results you need a mix of Kanji, Vocabulary, Grammar and regular exposure. What I did with KKLC is I simply added vocabulary words for all the Kanji I had trouble with and put them in kana on the front. And as I gradually did that for the entire deck it stopped being a keyword test, which it shouldn't be as KKLC keywords can be confusing, not to mention keywords are kind of useless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:05:14 2017 No.18043121 >>18043095 KKLC's keywords are NOT meant for keyword->kanji memorization. There is a lot of overlap between them. Read its introduction pages fully.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:08:45 2017 No.18043130 >>18043121 You are right, Kanji -> Keyword makes the entire thing a waste of time.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:09:35 2017 No.18043132

>>18043095
>>Does anyone have any experience/advice?
Before I gave up on isolated kanji deciding it was just wasting my time, I would look kanji up in the Kojien EPWING dictionary and add an extra keyword from the definitions from there.

Another thing I did was to add onyomi readings to the fronts of the cards with duplicate keywords to give me an extra means of distinguishing them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:09:41 2017 No.18043134 >>18043130 Not at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:12:11 2017 No.18043145 >>18042972 にほんではふじょぼうこうなんてほとんどないよとなりのくにはあぶないけど

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:21:22 2017 No.18043170

>>18043117
I like this idea. I thought about doing something like that if I wanted to bother reinforcing non-jouyou kanji in the future, but didn't consider doing it before then. I agree that keywords are mostly useless, I just want a unique prompt for each kanji.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:26:09 2017 No.18043181

>>18043170
It worked pretty well for me. I have no issue with mixing up Kanji at all and the vocabulary is often a better prompt than the keyword anyway. Just remember there is no rush, even though I finished the deck 3 - 4 months ago I am still adding words here and there and don't quite have vocabulary for every Kanji yet. In that regard keywords are useful because they let you learn the vocabulary itself later when you actually need it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:28:19 2017 No.18043186 >>18043145 誰も警察を読んでいないって事と犯行がないって事は同じものではない

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:29:22 2017 No.18043193 >>18043186 * 呼んで

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:35:04 2017 No.18043212 my brain cant remember how to write the shit i wrote yesterday and could before that fuck i want to die i have a day backed up too so twice as many reps fuck fuck fuck fuck fuckfuc ficukfuckc

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:40:59 2017 No.18043226 >>18043193 なおしてもわからんにほんはＢに近づかないかぎりＢはスラムみたいなとこ？せかいいちあんぜんだよ

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:41:40 2017 No.18043230 >>18043212 Stop writing shit then. Not like you're ever going to use it.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:43:42 2017 No.18043239

RE: The Reading List.

I think we could do with having separate lists for each type of media (manga, VNs, LNs, etc.). I don't think the static list has been updated in at least over a year, and the dynamic list looks an absolute mess. It would be much easier to organise and look through if it were split up into different sheets.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:56:39 2017 No.18043286 >>18043226 投稿の文法が違っても、お前はアホだ

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 20:58:42 2017 No.18043294

Anki mixes vocabulary on random right? I find that I remember the order of words before I learn the words, anyone else know this problem? what do you do? I know the word because I know the order almost imidiately but doesn't help with vocabulary, does it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 21:01:38 2017 No.18043312 >>18043294 It's supposed to, but in certain cases it can't.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 21:06:36 2017 No.18043339

>>18043095
I've been doing a kanji deck like this for over a year and it's a pretty good exercise imo. I’m almost at the point where I can reliably pass 2級 without drilling 四字熟語.

I can say that if you plan to learn beyond jouyou, having only a keyword as a prompt will mess you up. You will begin to fail mature cards for frivolous reasons and your reviews will take longer than they should. Adding vocab words in kana like >>18043117 and readings like >>18043132 said are pretty much necessary after a point.

For some kanji the keyword/meaning is vital, but for the majority it's their reading and vocab examples that should be stressed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 21:33:59 2017 No.18043489 >>18043286 そんなに嫉妬しないでぎゅうにゅうのんでおちつこ

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 21:37:22 2017 No.18043514

>>18043294
I've never had a problem with randomization except when lapsed cards appear too early and all together

you should extend the time it takes lapsed cards to reappear, beyond that I don't know what conditions would cause the words to appear in an exact order.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 22:10:24 2017 No.18043663 何じゃもんじゃ Did not expect that meaning.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 22:14:00 2017 No.18043678 >>18043663 surely thats a mistake?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 22:15:03 2017 No.18043682 >>18043678 It's in goo too. https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/165760/meaning/m0u/

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 22:16:59 2017 No.18043685 >>18043663 Where did you mine this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 22:17:52 2017 No.18043689 >>18043682 well ill be a big fuckin tree

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 22:28:06 2017 No.18043718 >>18043212 Failing cards you passed recently isn't inherently bad, but consider dropping your starting ease, and hit hard to nudge the ease if you aren't already. Don't miss days.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 22:32:44 2017 No.18043732 >>18043663 Just looked it up on google images, but it only shows up one specific kind of tree, and you have to scroll down a little bit to find it. How did you find that?

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 22:47:37 2017 No.18043774

I think i recognize a minor flaw in anki, or perhaps its my own shortcoming
when I see a word definition, it appears I'll only really accept one 'sense' of the word in anki, even if it could be used in other ways
for an english example, I could see 'hook' and think about it only in the physical sense of a metal hook, but not in the descriptive addiction 'hooked on this music' while reading.

In which case, because theres a tight expectation of the words usage, the actual reading process falters somewhat. Is this just a symptom of how fussy memory is using SRS or is this my own problem?
Mind you its not a big deal, I get over it pretty quickly and learn to broaden the view on that word in the future.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 22:52:04 2017 No.18043789 >>18043774 this is why people say to read, not an issue with anki as it does what its made to do

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 22:55:45 2017 No.18043800 >>18043685 >>18043732 http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001341/files/49658_37661.html (as ナンジャモンジャ) It has a Wikipedia article too: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%8A%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:15:03 2017 No.18043876 >>18043774 I'm not very far in my study so take this with salt, but my feeling is that your goal with anki is to get one reading and one meaning solidified in your mind that can later be built on. Expanding onto that with other usage is from exposure.

Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:16:25 2017 No.18043884

>>18043774
If you're mining from your reading material, you will know exactly what sense of the word you're dealing with so this won't be a problem.

I only add as many new card to my deck each day as need for the next day's session (20). This way I remember exactly what context all the words in my deck came from. As well as disambiguating otherwise potentially ambiguous meanings, I also find that having a specific memory associated with each word helps me to remember them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:22:34 2017 No.18043904 >>18043774 If you don't look at example sentences or native definitions, it's a given that you’re going to form misconceptions about how words can be used.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:25:07 2017 No.18043911 File: 499 KB, 423x1317, 36FB2824-98F8-423E-ADD1-0D39031A1300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I don’t get it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:31:45 2017 No.18043930 File: 44 KB, 806x406, 1489318502521.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18043911 That's okay.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:31:58 2017 No.18043931 File: 183 KB, 728x1000, 1512451765916.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18043911 >google もみじカリー >「この4コマの意味がわからないヤツはアスペ」 well at least we're not alone

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:36:46 2017 No.18043942 >>18043911 >カリー >カレー wtf

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:38:07 2017 No.18043948 >>18043942 It's almost like loanwords are inconsistently bastardized into kana.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:41:23 2017 No.18043954 >>18043948 シュールですね

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 15 23:43:11 2017 No.18043964 >>18043948 Usually there's only one way they do it per word though

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 00:26:03 2017 No.18044122 >>18043964 Usually there is a dominant way, but it is not very uncommon for there to be more than one way that is accepted. If you include variations of vowel length and ウィ vs ウイ, the number of occurrences goes up quite a bit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 00:49:05 2017 No.18044218 >>18043663 どこかのほうげんなのかな木の名前でそんなのあったきがする

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 01:27:54 2017 No.18044374 >>18043663 おおさかことばで「なんぼのもんじゃ」ってのがあってぜんぜんちがういみだよ

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 01:28:32 2017 No.18044378

>>18035746
If i don't do my reviews today i'll have twice as many tomorrow. That and doing crazy math on the percentages to random ass milestones in order to make it feel like meaningful progress is made.
Just 1.29% off 33.3% of 10000 words, if i study 3 more days i'll...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 01:38:39 2017 No.18044394 File: 115 KB, 656x550, 76544.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] おなかすいたテンペたべてみたい

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 01:55:59 2017 No.18044427 >emoji is 絵文字 I'd always thought that it was just as bizarre contraction of emotion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 01:56:32 2017 No.18044429 >>18044427 emo-ji is actually a real japanese folk etymology of the term as well

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 02:04:45 2017 No.18044450 >>18043931 >5. venisonColloquialism, Only applies to もみじ勉強なりました。ありがとう

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 02:12:22 2017 No.18044473 I'm studying kanji. Should I focus on meanings and focus on learning pronunciations (I.E 六 vs. 六つ) later?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 02:13:25 2017 No.18044477 >>18044473 No, learn words that use the kanji, like 六 and 六つ.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 02:18:25 2017 No.18044491 >>18043239 I second this. It would also help to rank by difficulty with a brief explanation for what each difficulty level means. We get questions about this sort of stuff all the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 02:21:32 2017 No.18044496 >>18044473 むっちゅ！

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 02:29:34 2017 No.18044506 >>18042077 >"keep up with" Where are you getting this from? I know it's not やっていける, but I don't see where else it could come from. >どうかこうかやっていける例文帳に追加 >I can manage to get along - 斎藤和英大辞典 >どうかこうかやっていける例文帳に追加 >I can rub along somehow. - 斎藤和英大辞典

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 02:36:01 2017 No.18044525 テンペってたべたことある？おなかいたくならない？

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 02:36:52 2017 No.18044529 How do I write "jo" quickly on 10-kana input devices?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 02:40:12 2017 No.18044536 File: 20 KB, 761x545, Q34ZaLH.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18042989 Didn't work out very well for Mahoyo

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 03:00:53 2017 No.18044577 ヒトはまたおなじあやまちをくりかえそうというのか

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 03:03:52 2017 No.18044581 >>18044577 おなじなんてないほかのひとやほかのときやほかのとこじゃおなじじゃないときよりもつづくものはにんげんだ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 03:42:42 2017 No.18044693 >>18044581 くっおさまれあたしのだいさんのなっとうきん https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyKAlzcFM2w

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 03:44:12 2017 No.18044698 >>18044693 まちがえました、にんげんはずっとごみ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:15:59 2017 No.18044765 >>18044698 なっとうはすきでしょ？

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:18:42 2017 No.18044773 Learning japanese is really fucking hard

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:23:13 2017 No.18044790 >>18044773 日本語わやさしいだ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:24:33 2017 No.18044796 >>18044790 >わ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:25:55 2017 No.18044802 >>18044790 >やさしいだ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:26:26 2017 No.18044805 >>18044790 >やさしい

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:29:05 2017 No.18044816 >>18044790 How embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 04:30:13 2017 No.18044818 >>18044796 >>18044802 >>18044805 >>18044816 なにも間違うないだ、スクビを読んだ

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:02:14 2017 No.18044923
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>>18044491
I think the whole thing just need to be more intuitive in general, then maybe it wouldn't be so dead.

As well as having different pages for each type of media, it would probably help to have separate sections within those pages for easy, intermediate and hard material (and also an explanation somewhere on the page about how to add in a new row when you want to insert a new entry into the correct table).

I also think we should expand it to include listening material. No reason to restrict it to just reading material.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:24:59 2017 No.18044987 >>18031993 How much harder is that Yuri VN than yotsuba&? I just want to read stuff, tired of anki grinding

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:25:44 2017 No.18044989 Are there entries for relative clauses and such in the HJGP? I would expect that stuff like that is covered somewhere, but I dunno what to look under to find it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:28:20 2017 No.18044997 >>18032514 LOVE & ROLL, no I barely understand some of the sentences, tempted to dump all the words into it's own deck

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:28:56 2017 No.18044998 >>18044987 You don't want to read it, it's boring as fuck. Read Flyable Heart instead if you're going to read a VN (uses a very small range of vocabulary compared to just about everything else, which makes it very beginner friendly).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:34:12 2017 No.18045007 >>18032514 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2394813

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:47:46 2017 No.18045035 I think the reason that the reading list is not maintained is the fact that everyone realises the uselessness of difficulty ratings half a year in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:49:15 2017 No.18045039 >>18043911 >紅葉紅葉 (もみじ): venison 紅葉 (こうよう) : autumn leaves >カリー、カレー curry 狩り (かり): harvesting, hunting >venison curry (pun: harvesting/watching the autumn leaves)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 05:54:32 2017 No.18045057 >>18045007 ｄｊｔっぽくてにほんごのはつおんにきこえるきょくがいいよねさがしてみようかな

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:13:42 2017 No.18045096 >>18045057 >ｄｊｔっぽくて https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ei2izPLpHc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:17:38 2017 No.18045112 do you do all of your reps straight through in one sitting or spaced out across 2 or more?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:20:56 2017 No.18045121 >>18045112 in the morning with a clean brain, with the only caffeinated coffee of the day, in one sitting splitting it up seems like a bad idea

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:37:14 2017 No.18045144 >>18045112 what >>18045121 said wake up, have breakfast and a coffee, do reps

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:39:47 2017 No.18045146 >>18044998 >Flyable Heart I'll check it out, thanks anon!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:41:12 2017 No.18045147 かるくてかわいくてふゆっぽくてにほんごにちゃんときこえるってむずかしいのなかって

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:42:24 2017 No.18045149 Internet radio list in the guide is so fucking outdated. More than half of this shit isn't even working anymore. I just want some talking to listen to,

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:45:37 2017 No.18045153 >>18044998 I believe someone made a chart that placed flyable chart in a section more difficult than axanel and hanahira, do you disagree with this? I'm also about ready to jump into something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:49:16 2017 No.18045161 >>18045153 Start with 絶対霊域

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:50:07 2017 No.18045165 がいこくのきょくのパクりじゃないほうがいいよねなかなかないよねパクリはいっぱいある

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:51:47 2017 No.18045169 >>18045147 >>18045165 自閉症児

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 06:59:36 2017 No.18045196 >>18045149 >I just want some talking to listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlfL44c-AC4

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 07:02:48 2017 No.18045207

>>18045153
It's above Hanahira in difficulty (can't comment on Axanael), but still very much doable as your first reading material.

Don't be discouraged if it's slow going at first and you're struggling to understand a lot of it. That's just how it is when you start reading for the first time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 07:02:59 2017 No.18045208 >>18045035 this

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 07:05:10 2017 No.18045214 >>18045149 With a lot of it, it's not that it isn't working, it's that it isn't working for you. Go take a look at the live Google Docs page. There's an explanation of what the problem is there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 07:07:22 2017 No.18045221 >>18045214 Oh, thanks. Fucking gooks though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 07:44:57 2017 No.18045291 とろっててててててててとろっててててててててて https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBPnA2BgqLg

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 08:12:36 2017 No.18045349 >>18045291 かるくなくてかわいくなくてふゆっぽくなくてぜんぜんにほんごにきこえないってめずらしいでしょ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 08:18:16 2017 No.18045365 >>18045349 自閉症児

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 08:57:31 2017 No.18045474 File: 149 KB, 543x396, 1505635632291.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anyone know if Japanese subs for Welcome to the NHK exist? kitsunekko doesn't have them so I guess not...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 09:02:37 2017 No.18045485 File: 15 KB, 713x525, .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18045474 Looks like they exist for me. Most of the releases don't have them, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 09:05:12 2017 No.18045490 >>18045485 Is this AB?

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 09:12:49 2017 No.18045509

>>18045490
Yeah.
I deleted my post because that is actually the only release I see with japanese subs. I was going to download one episode and see if the metainfo was correct. Who knows what could have gone wrong.
That particular release exists elsewhere, you can get it by searching the filename.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 09:15:18 2017 No.18045514

>>18045485
I have ED's release of Welcome to the NHK on my hard drive, and indeed it has a subtitle track labelled as Japanese, but that track is actually just the English subtitle track, while the subtitle track labelled as English is really only a signs-only subtitle track.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 12:12:46 2017 No.18046157 Is JLPT a meme or should I study for it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 12:16:13 2017 No.18046166 >>18045474 It seems that the Japanese DVD doesn't have subs on it so you're most likely out of luck

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 12:19:14 2017 No.18046170 >>18046157 depends on what you understand under "meme" if you actually what to do something japan related it certainly won't hurt, if not, it's completely up to you whether you need an "official" valuation of your skills or not

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 12:36:01 2017 No.18046201 >>18046170 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 12:36:02 2017 No.18046202 >>18046157 Studying with the end goal of taking a high level test seems silly to me, man. But it can also be validating once you reach that level.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 12:50:29 2017 No.18046236 i keep forgetting how to read 協力, it's the weirdest thing this has been going on for days now and i'm beginning to think something's wrong with my brain because it's the only word i have this issue with

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 12:58:10 2017 No.18046262 >>18046236 don't worry mate, I constantly confuse 努力 and 協力 I have brain problems as well

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 13:08:59 2017 No.18046294 >>18046236 力 is used in jrpgs a lot as a suffix for stats, like 腕力. 協力 is a bunch of little 力s working together.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 13:47:30 2017 No.18046373

I'm 18 and about to start learning Japanese in University. Should I introduce myself in Japanese? I know I should use watashi, but would using boku be a way of showing that I have some small amount of knowledge? I know ore wouldn't be right in a school setting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 13:48:29 2017 No.18046377 >>18046373 I hope this is a joke post.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 13:49:07 2017 No.18046382 >>18046377 I'm not very smart, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 13:49:47 2017 No.18046385 I'm trying to figure out where to go in my learning. I've taken my universities 3 semesters of Japanese that were offered. I have a few manga like Yokai Watch in Japanese I could read? Any advice?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 13:50:55 2017 No.18046390 >>18046385 >>18046373 just read the guide faggots

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 13:51:19 2017 No.18046391 >>18046385 Your University doesn't have full Japanese courses? 101, 102, 201, 202, 303, etc?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 13:53:11 2017 No.18046399 >>18046391 No, it's a associates and work program college mostly. I've taken the equivalent to 201 I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 13:54:55 2017 No.18046404 >>18046399 Do they have an Asian Studies or equivalent course? Sometimes language courses are hidden in those.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 13:59:27 2017 No.18046418 >>18046373 You should use 我輩 to show respect to your classmates

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 14:21:36 2017 No.18046520 Why do I sometimes see に after an unconjugated verb? For example, >学ぶには読むよりなにより触れること！ I fully understand the sentence, but seeing 学ぶに seems strange to me. I've seen it before, but most of the time its normalized.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 14:29:25 2017 No.18046552

>>18046520
Just read about this in Tae Kim, so Ill just copy it:

However, a useful grammar that works in general for stems of all verbs is using the stem as a target with a motion verb (almost always 「行く」 and 「来る」 in this case). This grammar means, “to go or to come to do [some verb]”. Here’s an example.

明日、映画を見に行く。- Tomorrow, go to see movie.

「見に」 is the stem of 「見る」（which is 見） combined with the target particle 「に」.

The motion target particle 「へ」 sounds like you’re literally going or coming to something while the 「に」 particle implies that you are going or coming for the purpose of doing something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 14:29:46 2017 No.18046556 >>18046520 [verb]には = in order to do [verb] https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A5%E3%81%AB%E3%81%AF

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 14:33:14 2017 No.18046566 >>18046552 >>18046556 Thanks anons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 14:43:58 2017 No.18046616 >好機 >furigana: チャンス For what purpose

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 14:57:32 2017 No.18046680 >>18046616 Someone goes on about this every other day. Is it so hard to wrap your head around it? Holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 16:10:47 2017 No.18046946 >>18046404 No, the professor is an adjunct who teaches Japanese at every school in a 20 mile radius. Talked to him at length about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 16:21:23 2017 No.18046989 >>18046946 That's a shame. I guess use the materials from the guide in the OP then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 16:26:26 2017 No.18047005 What's the worst radical and why is it ⻌?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 16:56:54 2017 No.18047096 >>18047005 That's one of the best ones. 免 is a lot worse

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:43:41 2017 No.18047274 >>18047005 >>18047096 you two probably love 逸らす then

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:43:58 2017 No.18047276 >>18047096 kanjis with ⻌ are a pain to draw though mine always look terrible

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:46:51 2017 No.18047289 >>18047276 >draw also careful, you'll anger the handwriting autist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:51:16 2017 No.18047301 >>18046616 Isn't saying　チャンス　more common than こうき anyway?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 17:55:18 2017 No.18047316 >>18047005 >>18047276 You're writing it wrong then. You're probably copying the computer font version of it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:10:14 2017 No.18047357 >>18047316 I'm not the issue is that due to the stroke order any kanji with ⻌ and 廴 is hard to square up consistently

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:25:57 2017 No.18047395
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I just spent an entire hour making 3 anki cards. Does this get faster the more you make?
I'm a bit of a control freak and don't want to use some auto card generation... so what I'm doing is basically:
>See a word
>Look it up on weblio (J-J, then J-E if I don't understand the J-J definition)
>Sometimes need to use google translate's sketch pad to look up unknown kanji
>Write a sentence in Anki that includes this word
>Go back and add kana for the furigana
>Go back and format the kana for the furigana so it shows up correctly
>Preview card to verify everything looks good

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:28:48 2017 No.18047409 >>18047395 You need to do core first.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:30:30 2017 No.18047418

>>18047395
>I'm a bit of a control freak and don't want to use some auto card generation
Automatic card generation exists for a reason.

Cards don't have to be perfect. They have to be okay.

This is firmly a problem with whatever weird mental disorder is making you spend an hour doing something that should take fifteen seconds at most.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:32:14 2017 No.18047424 >>18047395 is this advanced autism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:34:22 2017 No.18047431 >>18047409 I'm at 7k+ >>18047418 >This is firmly a problem with whatever weird mental disorder I guess. Weblio has much better -- or at least easier to understand -- definitions than 三省堂. >>18047424 It wouldn't surprise me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:35:28 2017 No.18047434 >>18047395 There are a couple autists like you here (unless you are the same guy posting over and over again). Nobody sympathizes so you should really stop posting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:37:38 2017 No.18047442 >>18047395 Make the card automatically and then edit them when you are doing reps if it's somehow bad

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:37:56 2017 No.18047445

>>18047395
If example sentences are teaching you new words that aren't obvious, you're distracting yourself. If they are words you already have in your deck, don't put furigana on them as they could be the next card. Also, I hope your example sentences are on the back and not the front if you want to be able to recognize the same word in a different sentence.
You're doing well to avoid using a premade deck though, in my opinion.
As for your primary question, speed, I recommend making a tab-separated values file (without headers, and every row MUST have the same number of "columns" even if some are empty) for a batch of notes and then importing them all at once and checking the results quickly in the "added cards" section of the browser. This allows you to edit more quickly in a decent text editor and see all all of the data at once until you're ready.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:40:14 2017 No.18047461 >>18047395 Actually, why don't you post a sample card so we can see if all that work is worth it.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:45:44 2017 No.18047478
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>>18047434
>(unless you are the same guy posting over and over again)
Nope this is my first time posting about this. Before I just sucked it up and used a premade deck for over a year.
>>18047445
I've always had sentences on the front (without furigana) and it hasn't seemed to affect my recognition of the words in different sentences.
I was actually tempted to make a spreadsheet but it felt like it would have been even more work. I might give it another try just to be able to see all of the data at once like you said. Thank you for the advice.
>>18047461
Here you go.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:50:30 2017 No.18047490 >>18047478 You are going to memorize the sentence, not the word. You don't even need furigana, just have the word in hiragana. Then the definition, and any example sentences under that. That's all you need. Spend as less time in Anki as possible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:52:44 2017 No.18047497 >>18047478 Well, this is your only choice I guess. Doubt Yomichan works on Windows 98

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:53:26 2017 No.18047499 >>18047497 that's not windows 98

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:54:53 2017 No.18047506 File: 46 KB, 505x235, 2017-12-17 00_50_14-Statistics.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any tips on how to improve retention? I'm kind of frightened how low mine is recently.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:56:00 2017 No.18047510
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>>18047490
Considering I have over 7k other sentences, I'm not sure I'll remember this one, but I can see why keeping it minimal would be a good idea for time.
Do you think I should update my old cards as I go through them (they all have sentences on the front)?
>>18047499
Good eye.
>>18047497
Nah, I have Yomichan working with the Daijirin EPWING dictionary loaded.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 18:57:29 2017 No.18047514
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>>18047506
You are probably farther in than me judging by the amount of your reviews but I think the only things that can really substantially increase your retention is
1. Kanji study (not the bad kind)
2. More exposure

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 19:09:41 2017 No.18047558

>>18047510
Sentences make it a lot easier to remember a word. It can also cause you to remember the word from some part of the sentence instead of the kanji which is obviously useless for what you are trying to do.

Eventually you want to get to the point where you remember atleast two readings for every kanji without any context other than the kanji itself. That's a lot later down the line though

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 19:11:19 2017 No.18047567 >>18047506 Considering the amount of time, you are probably not concentrated enough during reps. Did you do isolated kanji study? I am not sure if it helps in your case or not, considering how deep you are already. What do you feel like is the reason?

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 19:17:44 2017 No.18047586

>>18047558
>Sentences make it a lot easier to remember a word.
I agree, which is why I do sentence cards. The real learning of a word comes from exposure/seeing it often in the wild.
I'll give it a shot with just the word on the front and see how it affects my retention vs sentence cards and also time spent in Anki.
I will also keep the example sentence on the back though because I find those to be more helpful than definitions most of the time.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 19:26:51 2017 No.18047611

>>18047478
>I was actually tempted to make a spreadsheet but it felt like it would have been even more work.
I find the spreadsheet programs from office and open/libreoffice to be really bad for editing simple data without need of calculations, which is why I recommend a good text editor. The only downside is that columns don't line up. I would expect it would go faster than doing what you're doing through the anki browser, though you do have more text per note than I usually deal with which might make it more difficult. The layout in >>18047510 would help a lot with that.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 19:29:47 2017 No.18047624
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>>18047514
I don't think I'm further than you. I'm still very much a beginner. The high amount of reviews is caused mainly by my low retention, especially when it comes to mature cards.
>>18047567
I did RTK early on in my studies. Lately I've been trying to reduce the time I spend doing reviews in anki but is seems it also lowered my retention. Doesn't help than I indeed lose focus going through so many cards.
I've been thinking to reduce the number of decks I currently have but I'm kind of hesitant to do so.
Another think I've considered is to improve a bit the cards in my mining deck - adding example sentences, choosing better definitions.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 19:42:53 2017 No.18047678
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>>18047624
Oh, I only posted my vocabulary reviews but you have additional reviews for all your other decks so that may be the reason you have so many more.
How did you do RTK? I hope Keyword -> Kanji. You should know that the only way to make a Kanji deck sustainable is to review Vocabulary (Kana) -> Keyword so all you'd have to do is make the RTK deck contain vocabulary on the front so you don't make guesses based on the keyword. That really helped me with my Kanji deck but I didn't use RTK admittedly.
Also it's dumb that you have three vocabulary decks. Core should be the only premade deck you have. Everything else belongs in your mining deck. What I personally do is put both my mining deck and core into one category so they both become subdecks. They are still separate in the browser but when I review I do both at the same time. From personal experience I got the impression that separating your vocabulary into many decks is not productive at all for various reasons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 19:56:34 2017 No.18047739 File: 30 KB, 771x329, nani.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18047431 >Weblio has much better -- or at least easier to understand -- definitions than 三省堂. Weblio辞書とは、複数の辞書や用語集を一度に検索し、一度に表示する、統合型オンライン辞書サービスです。

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:00:24 2017 No.18047753 What function does の serve in 「いつまでねてるの？」?

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:00:48 2017 No.18047757

>>18047678
For RTK I went with keyword -> kanji combined with physically writing the answer. The deck is a premade and so far I've been to lazy to modify keywords to contain vocabulary.
DoJG Vocabulary is actually an empty deck. I used it to add and study new words when I was going through the grammar deck. I stopped studying new cards in it in the middle of the advanced grammar book since I figured actual reading would be more beneficial.
Would deleting these 3 be a good idea?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:01:06 2017 No.18047761 >>18047739 ｗｗｗｗ私、本当にバカですねありがとう先輩

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:02:09 2017 No.18047765 >>18047753 https://sakubi.neocities.org/#questions

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:02:48 2017 No.18047771 File: 21 KB, 714x302, no.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18047753

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:06:03 2017 No.18047786 >>18047506 the two easiest explanations are 1. you're doing too many cards 2. you're lying in your answers Halve or stop your new cards for a while and stop hitting Easy

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:06:30 2017 No.18047790 File: 1.91 MB, 500x281, 1513196839562.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18047765 >sakubi

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:07:12 2017 No.18047792 >>18047790 Take your lithium.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:12:06 2017 No.18047808 >>18047790 What's wrong? The link answers the question it was responding to exactly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:21:33 2017 No.18047842 File: 224 KB, 1000x1000, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18036872 >>18036889

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:26:19 2017 No.18047868 File: 229 KB, 1000x1000, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18047842 Shit i forgot something have a fix

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:35:41 2017 No.18047902

>>18047868
I disagree with the recommendation to avoid sentence comprehension cards as a beginner. When you're first starting out, you don't know that many words so just reading more is not going to be simpler due to the quantity of words that are unfamiliar to you. It helps to repeat exposure to a relatively small set of sentences over and over to drill the words and grammar patterns into you.
To be clear, we're only talking about beginners here. Once you start gaining a larger vocabulary, I agree that one should then graduate from sentence comprehension cards and get their exposure from reading.
Perhaps instead of sentence comprehension cards, I would recommend cutting the skits/dialogues from the earlier JPod101 lessons and listening to those on repeat after/while having read/reading the transcripts.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:40:19 2017 No.18047925

>>18047902
Everyone I know who used sentence comprehension cards as a beginner spent like three more months in a state where they couldn't read even the most simple Japanese.

Even the people I know who spent like five minutes a day trying to understand sentences from manga or doujinshi graduated from the "absolute beginner" phase faster than the people who did sentence comprehension cards.

Sentence comprehension cards are a great way to make yourself feel like you've done your "input" for the day without being exposed to anything meaningful. When an actual beginner uses them, that's usually how it makes them feel. That's why "just" reading instead is a much better, and simpler, idea. They don't have to worry about whether their sentence deck is any good or whether they're seeing enough sentences.

>I would recommend cutting the skits/dialogues from the earlier JPod101

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikm_gL7-mZs#t=15s

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:46:15 2017 No.18047936 >>18047868 This guide seems to assume people have both infinite time to study Japanese and nothing else they'd rather do with that time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:47:28 2017 No.18047944 >>18047936 It doesn't really assume anything about what they want to do with their time at all. Everything time related in it is subjective, except for the arbitrary "three days" note.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:52:45 2017 No.18047964 >>18047936 Language learning takes time. What do you expect?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:57:09 2017 No.18047978 >>18047868 Your choice of grammar guides is a bit weird. If a resource is any good, people tend to talk about it, yet I've never even heard of some of these guides.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 20:59:49 2017 No.18047989

>>18047925
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikm_gL7-mZs#t=15s
...and here I watched that entire video to see if said more and all he ended up doing was sucking Khatz's dick.
Anyway, I said to cut the skits/dialogue and read the transcripts -- this is not the same as someone who blindly follow the JPod101 lessons. It's just taking Japanese audio with a Japanese transcript made by actual native Japanese (fuck Peter, he isn't doing the writing) and immersing in those -- this is something that Steve recommends.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:00:17 2017 No.18047991

>>18047978
I've done an overview over all of them, and they're all recognized in at least one community. The only ones that could be objectionable are Imabi and Pomax, but they fill in the very important gap of "resources that are like textbooks that aren't actually textbooks". JSL was a stubborn inclusion, but I decided to leave it there because it's the only one on the list that comes close to teaching real spoken Japanese grammar, rather than a weird half-baked systematic grammar.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:01:27 2017 No.18048000

>>18047936
What? It says essentially nothing about how long this should take or how long to contribute per day, just the order to approach things in. It's also nothing new here.
>>18047868
>>18047944
Speaking of the three days note, I'd change it to a week or two. Even at a high pace of 20 words a day, you're likely to have mostly very different looking words for a few days.
I also disagree with kanji to "meaning" rather than keyword to kanji, and feel this kind of shit is how kanji cards get a bad reputation, but this is more debatable so I'll avoid starting an argument. Lastly, are there many people who endorse kanji to reading cards? I almost never see this.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:07:18 2017 No.18048030

>>18047989
Based on the timestamp, he was giving you a one-liner dig on jpod101 that he absorbed without context of why. Ironically, what you've actually suggested aligns reasonable with other things Matt has said in other videos. He does suck khatz's dick a lot, but he's not as stupid as context like that makes him look.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:07:40 2017 No.18048033

>>18047868
1. check your asterisks
2. why is there nothing on listening?
3. I understand where this "postponing other studies" insistence comes from but it's an illogical statement. There's always a natural opportunity cost incurred when devoting time to something else.
4. I have never seen kanji-to-reading recommended here

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:09:14 2017 No.18048037

>>18047991
How come you omitted Japanese the Manga Way?

I've never read it myself, but I've read screencaps of pages that people have posted here and it seems to be a good quality resource with clear explanations, and obviously the inclusion of example from authentic native content is a bonus.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:11:03 2017 No.18048042 >>18047868 This wasn't written by someone who knows Japanese. It was written someone who has wasted too much time arguing bad opinions on DJT and thought putting them in a list gives them some kind of validity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:11:56 2017 No.18048045 >>18048033 >4. I have never seen kanji-to-reading recommended here Yeah, that definitely belongs under the avoid like the plague section.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:18:24 2017 No.18048068

Quick question. Transitive/intransitive pairs. Do you add both to your deck at once, or solidify one before adding the other? How do your definitions look for pairs that seem hard to distinguish other than tagging as transitive/intransitive, like 集める and 集まる? I've just been adding [vt] and [vi] but I think that I'm missing some of these cards more often than I should. I've seen the idea of adding words like "something" to transitive definitions but I'm unsure how I feel about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:20:38 2017 No.18048085 >>18048042 Agreed. As many awful suggestions as acceptable ones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:24:47 2017 No.18048103 >>18048068 Things like st. sb. sw. are fine and commonplace. Do whatever you need to. You will eventually get to a point where you will no longer need to add both (probably sooner than you think), but there is no long term harm in doing so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 21:51:13 2017 No.18048211 >>18048068 Dictionaries treat them as different words and so do I. I only add whichever one I encountered.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:06:11 2017 No.18048270 >>18048042 >This wasn't written by someone who knows Japanese. it was, actually

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:22:51 2017 No.18048323

>>18048000
>Speaking of the three days note, I'd change it to a week or two.
You're right, that was just an arbitrary amount because I had to put something there.

>I also disagree with kanji to "meaning" rather than keyword to kanji
Keyword to kanji is 100% useless unless you're studying writing or you already know Japanese. Only a very small number of Kanji have a semantic identity. "Familiar" to "Unfamiliar" cards are only good when the relationship between the familiar fact and unfamiliar fact are transitive ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation ), which is false for the majority of kanji and any possible single keyword for them.

>Lastly, are there many people who endorse kanji to reading cards?
Learning readings is fine if you're studying vocabulary. The only problem is learning readings for kanji that you have no context for. If you're doing isolated kanji study and learn that 塔 is pronounced とう, that's definitely useless knowledge, but if you're only doing it because you're struggling to see Kanji as anything but a mess of random strokes, and you haven't stopped learning words or grammar, it's fine.

The "learning readings is a waste of time" meme is a (100% valid) defense that DJT, AJATTers, and /r/learnjapanese have developed against isolated RTK cultists, the people who act like RTK 1 (keywords and stroke order) doesn't pay off at all until you do RTK 2 (readings).

When you're not doing isolated kanji study, studying readings isn't bad, and if you selectively only study Kanji that you're unfamiliar with or have trouble with (which I will admit is very hard with Anki unless you suspend mature cards like crazy) there aren't really any downsides since it takes so little time (maybe 5 minutes to get through 30 reviews). This is extra true if you use the version of Core recommended here, which, for some reason, is reordered from frequency order to sort similar kanji together, making it really fucking hard to distinguish similar words unless you deliberately practice the readings of the confusing kanji in each word in the set of similar words.

After all, you can't "learn" Kanji, so there's no point continuing to review Kanji that you can already pronounce properly when you encounter new words. Conveying how to undergo Kanji reading study and make it worthwhile takes several sentences, which is too much to fit in a random infographic like that. Regardless, if someone follows the advice to not postpone other studies, they'll never mess up hard enough to waste months studying things that don't actually help them with reading.

>>18048033
>2. why is there nothing on listening?
Because there aren't any good resources dedicated to listening. If you need listening practice, just watch a lot of anime or something.

>3. I understand where this "postponing other studies" insistence comes from but it's an illogical statement. There's always a natural opportunity cost incurred when devoting time to something else.
Opportunity cost and wasted time are not the same thing. The only danger is stopping studying Japanese, not what you do with your free time. An hour spent learning Japanese history instead of Japanese is not wasted time, you're only wasting time if you're learning Japanese history INSTEAD of Japanese.

>>18048037
JTMW is designed in such a way that it's hard to understand the later lessons until you acquire the grammar from the early lessons. It's perfectly fine, but it's not good to speed through it. I don't want to recommend anyone speed through it just to think it was a bad resource because it's not meant to be sped through, but I can't recommend using a grammar resource that can't be sped through as your initial grammar resource.

>>18048270
I do, but you don't know me. Don't trollbait please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:33:24 2017 No.18048361 >>18048323 >If you're doing isolated kanji study and learn that 塔 is pronounced とう, that's definitely useless knowledge, Wait, what? I seriously just made a vocab card for 塔. ;_;

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:35:26 2017 No.18048369

>>18048361
If you learn that 塔 is a word pronounced とう that means 'tower' or 'steeple' or something, that's totally fine. What's useless is when, without knowing much about Japanese at all, you get so deep into isolated kanji study that you start learning things like "This kanji looks like 塔. It's pronounced とう. Wanna know how it's used, what it means, or what it means for it to be pronounced that way? Too bad!" is when it's a problem, since you're not really learning Japanese, it's more of a trivial pursuit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:50:21 2017 No.18048417 Today I did anki reps while doing easy bodyweight exercises and it made both more fun.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:52:27 2017 No.18048423 >>18048417 every time I get a card wrong I do 20 pushups screaming at the top of my lungs my retention rose from 85 to 94

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 22:56:35 2017 No.18048431 >>18048323 good, reasonable points. it doesn't seem like your image will get a unanimous stamp of approval but it looks much better now in light of your explanations

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:00:52 2017 No.18048442 >>18048068 How about adding similar sample sentences? 人が集まる vs 人を集める for example.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:28:46 2017 No.18048494 >>18048417 Hit the Anki buttons with your nose while doing pushups.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:30:26 2017 No.18048497

has anyone experimented with smelling essential oils to help increase retention? based on the radicals in the Kanji you sniff certain scents, then, when you smell that scent you were smelling when you learned the meaning/vocab, you will recall it so much easier. Try it out!

You can get a dozen vials from the Dollar Store for just a handful of dollars, totally worth it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:31:14 2017 No.18048499 >>18048497 that's so fucking stupid it just might technically work

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:41:08 2017 No.18048533

>>18047586
>I agree, which is why I do sentence cards.
it doesn't sound like you understood his point; easier is not a good thing

A sentence longer than 3 words has too many memorize-able cues. Instead of word A → meaning A, you're going word B/C/D → word A, most likely without even realizing it.

If your sentence for 暴戻 somehow has an alligator in it (and is the only sentence with an alligator in it) you're going to link the two even though they're not related at all. Seeing わに is going to assist you in coming up with the meaning of 暴戻 when it should actually be 暴(荒々しい、暴悪、暴力) and 戻（道理にそむく, 違戻） that you should be examining.

Example sentences are fine, but please don't do sentence cards.

Anonymous Sat Dec 16 23:54:27 2017 No.18048581

>>18048533
The hardest part about Japanese, for me, is memorizing all the different readings. Your example, while well thought out, doesn't make sense to me because when I see 暴戻, I'm going to immediate associate it with other words that use the same kanji like 暴悪 and 暴力.
I wish there was a way we could test this.
What if I provided a list of words I learned via sentence cards and then someone tries to stump me by coming up with new sentences using some of those words?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:11:04 2017 No.18048631 >>18048497 im really not that desperate to learn japanese caffeine and a regular sleep schedule is about as far as Ill go maybe modafinil were it cheaper

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:12:07 2017 No.18048636

>>18048631
your sleep schedule doesn't even have to be regular, you just can't force yourself to go to sleep before or after you're naturally ready to do so
and you can't use alarm clocks (though other methods of forcing yourself to wake up, like bright lights, are fine)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:21:42 2017 No.18048669 >>18048631 I'd say ingesting an addictive drug is more desperate than smelling some good smells. I'm talking about caffeine, of course.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:22:05 2017 No.18048671

>>18048581
You can try this

http://www1.odn.ne.jp/drinkcat/quiz/test30.html

Subtract the 理解の怪しい count from your estimated vocabulary and compare it to the number words you think you know (maybe based on mature cards in anki?). If the number is close then it's evidence that sentence cards aren't doing any harm.

I sometimes have my doubts about this quiz but the result I got this time (39900 - 12600 = 27300) was pretty close to what I thought my vocabulary size (20-25k) was before taking it.

Note: I would say that it's okay to look up what the multiple choice answers mean if you have trouble reading them, just as long as you don't look up the word in question.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:53:02 2017 No.18048771 >>18048494 this might be the best idea I've heard all day >>18048497 Chewing gum has a similar effect due to the taste/smell associations but I don't think it's significant enough to actually be worth building a routine around

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:54:30 2017 No.18048775

>>18048636
>your sleep schedule doesn't even have to be regular, you just can't force yourself to go to sleep before or after you're naturally ready to do so
Yeah okay this is all pretty reasonable stuff--
>and you can't use alarm clocks (though other methods of forcing yourself to wake up, like bright lights, are fine)
what?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:55:37 2017 No.18048778 I'm guessing the person who made these videos is in this thread because one was linked earlier, so I'm going to say thanks for making them. They're cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOj4zOcNdak

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:55:53 2017 No.18048779 File: 34 KB, 366x56, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18048775

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 00:56:24 2017 No.18048781 >>18048778 nah he's graduated from learning communities here's his twitter https://twitter.com/mattvsjapan

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 01:12:33 2017 No.18048819 >>18048778 isn't this that turbo autist that went to japan and didn't have any friends because he was so autistic about learning Japanese and thinking he was superior?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 01:12:59 2017 No.18048821 >>18048819 yeah he got better tho

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 01:16:02 2017 No.18048827

>>18048671
Ok, I took it but I haven't come across most of those expressions given in the questions... and it looks like this test is meant to test the understanding of the nuance of those expressions. For someone in my position, I think it would make more sense to look up what the expression (question) means in English and then select the correct answer without looking those up. However, I did neither and just went in with what I knew (which isn't much).
I'm also a little confused as to why you would subtract the 理解のあやしい count from the the estimated vocabulary value. Based on the commentary, it seems like this numbers are coming from different pools and are exclusive of each other.
All that said, this is my result:
>あなたの推定語彙力は6300(±775)語でした。
>あなたには推定16800(±2066)語の、理解のあやしい語彙があります。
The funny thing is, I have 6360 mature cards in Anki. 偶然だね～

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 01:17:00 2017 No.18048829

>>18048323
>"Familiar" to "Unfamiliar" cards are only good when the relationship between the familiar fact and unfamiliar fact are transitive
The main source of my disagreement is that the intent of kanji cards for me was never to associate "meaning", but to be able to recall the kanji which solidified my memory of its form and seemed to reduce the likelihood of mixing them up in the future. I do see your point, but I still see the value in something that seems more focused on the kanji itself than the keyword, and it seems that correctly recalling kanji solidifies them faster than correctly recognizing them. Maybe a third option involving vocab rather than keywords would be better, I'm unsure.
>When you're not doing isolated kanji study, studying readings isn't bad,
The issue I see is that this is okay for picking up the most common on and kun reading, but doesn't seem very effective when you're misreading a word that uses a different reading. What would you suggest for that? List off every reading on the back of your card to get it right? And simply remembering a few readings doesn't seem like it will help a lot with recalling the correct one for a word. Maybe I misunderstood you.
>which, for some reason, is reordered from frequency order to sort similar kanji together, making it really fucking hard to distinguish similar words unless you deliberately practice the readings of the confusing kanji in each word in the set of similar words.
It seemed reasonable to me to put extra effort into learning to distinguish similar looking kanji sooner rather than later. Personally, I think that when I mixed up readings of similar looking kanji, it's because I misidentified the kanji in the first place, but that's my anecdote. I suppose the counter-claim is that when you've put more time into one word, you'll more quickly recognize the new word looks slightly different than the one you've seen? My fear is ingraining a single distinguishing feature between two kanji and then further down the line getting a third that throws everything back into disarray, which seemed to be a frequent occurrence in my first attempt at vocab through a frequency-sorted deck years ago.

Thanks for the explanation, and if you think something I've said is off-base I'm interested.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 01:45:10 2017 No.18048890 >>18048771 Chewing gum also provides a physical distraction for you to focus on work.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:01:28 2017 No.18048934

How do I actually start learning Japanese? I've been doing this for ~6 months now and have just barely managed to get through an N5 deck. Each day I can only remember 20% tops of what I learned the previous day. It takes me weeks to consistently remember words. How the fuck am I ever going to make progress?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:04:43 2017 No.18048950 >>18048934 what are you doing for studying

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:04:53 2017 No.18048951

>>18048934
>Each day I can only remember 20% tops of what I learned the previous day.
Words retained from previous day doesn't matter, what's your overall % correct rate? And how many cards per day are you adding and how long do your sessions take?
Regardless, if you're not reading then that is probably your answer. Anki by itself is a poor learning method. It's effective for memorize words that you're already encountering.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:06:14 2017 No.18048957

>>18048827
>I'm also a little confused as to why you would subtract the 理解のあやしい count from the the estimated vocabulary value. Based on the commentary, it seems like this numbers are coming from different pools and are exclusive of each other.
You're right. I never noticed that but after testing the 10-question one it's obvious that's the case.

I still don't think you can take the top number at face value if your number of "shaky/dead wrong" answers is excessively large. For the majority of questions there is definitely one correct answer, and at least one or more ones designed to trap people who routinely guess at meanings and nuance. There's also dead wrong answers and the test doesn't distinguish between them either.

I think it's evident that some downward adjustment is needed (I know I don't have a 40k vocabulary) but I don't know how much. Judging by your results I would say there is some room for improvement.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:06:19 2017 No.18048959

>>18048951
I'm adding 25 new cards per day, but usually end up having to take almost a week off because I can't remember anything and get overwhelmed. How do I start reading? I don't feel like I know enough words yet and I don't even know how to begin learning grammar.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:20:11 2017 No.18048994 >>18048959 Stop doing anki and go read a grammar guide.

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:24:08 2017 No.18049008

>>18048959
>I don't feel like I know enough words yet
Why you think about reading, don't ask how many words you need to know; ask how many words am I going to learn from this?
Grammer? Read Tae Kim or one of the other guides recommended by The [DJT] Guide. Run through one of these quick before you start reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:30:45 2017 No.18049029 >>18048959 Add less cards, for fuck's sake. 10 is a good number to start with. Go up or down until you're comfortable. You want consistency. Also what everyone else said, but 25 is definitely too high for you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 02:49:01 2017 No.18049074 File: 91 KB, 677x363, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18049029 >You want consistency. なにそれおいしいの？

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 03:11:28 2017 No.18049122

>>18048959
25 words a day is not absurd, but it's a bit high especially for a beginner having trouble. If you work yourself into taking time off, you're giving yourself too big of a load which makes you do worse all around, and makes your progress slower than if you used a smaller influx of words but could keep it steady.

You will feel like you don't know enough words yet no matter when you try to start, because starting is always hard. Of course it's possible to jump into something that's harder than it needs to be, but you can't just anki until you're at 5k-10k words and expect to suddenly understand 75% of your first genuine non-textbook material. By 6 months in you should definitely not be holding off longer.

People argue endlessly about which grammar guide to use. Tae Kim is the default, use the "Grammar Guide", not the "Complete Guide" that basically didn't catch up to where the "Grammar Guide" was before Tae Kim fucked off indefinitely. It's imperfect, but so is everything. Cross-reference if something makes no sense to you, but don't aim for perfect understanding before moving forward.

What is generally agreed on regardless of which resource you use, is to simply read through the whole thing and then use it as a reference. Do not schedule a slow pace of a couple chapters a week, do not do worksheets, any included listening practice is okay as long as it doesn't hold you back from finishing your first pass through. Then, start reading and use grammar guides as a reference whenever you have trouble with a sentence. After you've gotten experience, you may benefit from a full re-read where you'll pick up more from the explanations. Don't use a grammar deck.

The most common suggestion for starting reading material is yotsubato with the yotsubato reading packs (which are optionally free but still make you go through checkout), see the guide. It isn't perfect, but the reading packs which provide vocab lists for the first two volumes, organized by page of first use, make it easier to jump into. Don't use the sentence cards, and don't blindly import the full vocab list into anki, but do start adding words from your reading material in favor of words from a frequency list or core. You will memorize words much faster that you've actually encountered before, preferably a couple of times as this indicates it's not an obscure word and you'll see it again.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 03:49:55 2017 No.18049201 File: 68 KB, 421x248, 1484967967063.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ハゲる恐怖

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 03:53:27 2017 No.18049208 File: 72 KB, 600x600, 1453584387316.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18049122 >After you've gotten experience, you may benefit from a full re-read where you'll pick up more from the explanations. That's horrible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 04:06:14 2017 No.18049220 https://forum.koohii.com/thread-14904.html has anyone tried this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 04:35:19 2017 No.18049275 おはようおにいちゃん >>18048671 >あなたの推定語彙力は42000(±5166)語でした。 >あなたには推定18900(±2325)語の、理解のあやしい語彙があります。まだまだがんばるぞい

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 05:06:59 2017 No.18049336
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>>18049220
>It doesn't look up words from text fields or look for shorter alternatives (so if you mouse over はず you won't see は) and there's no definition priority sorting yet.
>It doesn't have flashcard exporting or any other mining support features.
>I have no idea when, if ever, I'm going to get around to adding mining support features.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 05:19:38 2017 No.18049371 >>18049208 And you may not. The point is that you can always fill in more later, it'd be dumb to try to memorize every bit before moving forward when the point is to get into real exposure as soon as possible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:46:50 2017 No.18049560 From Tae Kim's: >忙しい時 >when busy It's hard to comprehend it out of context, but how could it be used? Is it like >When busy I have no time for anything. ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 06:59:33 2017 No.18049583 >>18049560 The way to use it is to not learn vocabulary from Tae Kim.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 07:01:09 2017 No.18049589 >>18049560 <something>時 is like "times when <something>" You may say 忙しい時があった to say that you used to be busy, for example. I don't know Japanese though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 07:29:15 2017 No.18049685 >>18049560 忙しい時もあるけど普通は暇だ for example

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 07:40:58 2017 No.18049719 いそがしいときはちょっとしあわせでちょっとくるしいからちょうどいい

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 07:51:48 2017 No.18049753 >>18049719 自閉症児

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 07:56:33 2017 No.18049764 >>18049753 餓鬼大将

Anonymous Sun Dec 17 08:38:00 2017 No.18049914
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>>18031993
この鬼龍院皐月の先を
行く者がいるなど。。。
断じてありえん！
>None on this Earth can surpass me, Kiryuuin Satsuki!

doesnt this originally imply there is somebody already ahead of her?
>(先を行く者がいる)

(断じてありえん)
>absolutely cannot be?

i dont really get the ありえん
is this derived from ある　ない？

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 17 08:39:32 2017 No.18049916 >>18049914 ありえない

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