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[Anonymous No.]

What happens if they fight each other?

[ANON X No.]

>>18138967
Next time? I'd say it would be a straight-up old school 'chick fight', as they surely must have tried everything else by now fight wise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18139182
This.
>>18138967
It just won't happen.
Otherwise Gensoland poofs out of existence

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>>18138967
Easy.
They get involved in a very long and very serious game of majong, shogi, or go, or maybe even chess or some other western game if they are feeling particularly in the mood for something exotic.
Or they just yell at each other and call the other old.
There is no way that either of them does not have the self control to avoid actually physically fighting the other, they would take less violent means to settle their dispute - one does not live to their age without learning to do so.

[Anonymous No.]

PARASOL FIGHT

PARASOL FIGHT

[Anonymous No.]

i want these two hags to kill themselves!

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>>18139582
Wouldn't work, they are probably both quasi-immortal and don't die if they are killed.
Because I don't think either one of them listens to logic anymore.

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>>18138967
https://youtu.be/eb4QXl1_9II?t=41m45s

Pure entertainment, that is what.

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>>18138967
>>18139582
old hag not kill old hag.

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't realize the "Yuuka da strongest" was back in vogue.
Anyway, while Yukari isn't as omnipotent as people make her out to be, I think her versitility would put her out on top over Yuuka's "just shoot it until it dies" fighting style, whether it be in a Spell Card Duel or a legit fight. Of course, either party can win either type of fight against the other, but I would put the odds in Yukari's favor.
Hecatia stomps both anyway.

>>18139354
When has Yuuka ever been a strategist? I can't see her playing shoji.

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>>18140347
>I didn't realize the "Yuuka da strongest" was back in vogue.
Supposedly, this comes from Zun saying that the girls themselves were the flowers in AoCF, while using the same kanji that he uses to write Yuuka's ability.
By established canon, abilities can be stretched to conceptual connections, which as a result of that connection being established in canon would put literally everyone under the effects of Yuuka's ability - to make flowers bloom or wither (manipulation of flowers).
Essentially, the theory is that Yuuka's ability acts something like the Captain America supersoldier serum and its exact opposite: to lift something to its highest state or to force something to it's lowest state.
It sounds insane and pedantic, but this is the same series where 'the ability to float' somehow means 'the ability to float outside of reality'.
eg, it's all insane wankery anyway, people are having fun.

>Hecatia stomps both anyway.
This actually hasn't been confirmed.
The place that Zun supposedly said that was mistranslated, what he was actually saying was that Hecatia was supposed to be the hardest boss fight yet in a gameplay sense, not that she was the strongest character.
As we know, gameplay and story segregation is in full effect in Touhou.
But, again, it's all wankery.

But I may as well engage in that wankery because it's a slow day and I'm bored.
According to Zun, Ancient Youkai (such as Yuuka/Yukari) don't pick fights they can't win.
Yukari actively fled from fighting Shiki Eiki.
Yuuka actively picked a fight with Shiki Eiki.
So, while it's unknown where Yuuka stands against Hecatia, she's probably more powerful than Yukari.
Of course, what if she just underestimated her potential opponent?
Well, that's simple: if she was the type to do that, she wouldn't still be alive. Being an excellent judge of power and danger is a prerequisite to living that long.

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>>18140958
>Yukari actively fled from fighting Shiki Eiki.
Yukari and Yuyuko bugged out because they didn't want to hear her sermons

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>>18140958
That's a mostly fair observation. I do recall now the wanking that people were doing over Yuuka's powers, but I'd also like to point out that ZUN has said himself that Yuuka's power is useless in combat, contradicting this theory.
As well, you can't really consider Yuuka's aggressiveness a show of strength because the battle was fought within spellcard rules, which are designed in a way that anyone can win.
The truth of the matter is that we really don't have enough info to classify Yuuka's relative strength, as it's purposfully left vague. Allwe can say for sure is that she is strong.

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>>18140958
>This actually hasn't been confirmed.
He means in canon. He said she's beyond everyone in Gensokyo and that the battle with her isn't even considered a fight, as she was holding back the whole time.

Face it: Hecatia is the strongest character to date.

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>>18141075
I really do love the idea of the strongest 2hu basically being a ceo wearing casual clothing.

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>>18141098
That was the entire point wasn't it? Of someone of such great power and importance being a casual person who dresses in a way that makes her look out-of-place.

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>power level discussion

Fuck off, spics.

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>>18141033
While technically true, she did note that even if herself, Yuyuko, and Reimu teamed up against Shiki Eiki, they wouldn't stand a chance.

>>18141042
>but I'd also like to point out that ZUN has said himself that Yuuka's power is useless in combat, contradicting this theory.
He has contradicted himself numerous times on that element, going from 'it's useless' to 'she doesn't use it because she doesn't need it' to everywhere in-between.
I think his most recent stance was from that recent magazine article which has it as the latter, combined with 'it's more of a secondary thing to her', which draws comparisons to the time he implied she doesn't even like her power.
My honest suspicion is that he just doesn't want to give too much away, and generally speaks within the limitations of information already confirmed in canon. He has at times alluded that he actually knows the general idea of how he wants to overarching story of Touhou to go and has known for 'years and years'.
But that's just one anon's theory.

>As well, you can't really consider Yuuka's aggressiveness a show of strength (snip)
I refer again to the article. The terminology he used suggested that Yuuka was confident that she could literally murder Shiki Eiki and get away with it.

>The truth of the matter is that we really don't have enough info to classify Yuuka's relative strength, as it's purposfully left vague. All we can say for sure is that she is strong.
Completely agree here. We know essentially nothing about Windows Yuuka, and Zun isn't talking for reasons (he'll change the subject if you bring up Yuuka with him).

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>>18141075
> He said she's beyond everyone in Gensokyo
No, he said 'it' (which context puts as the battle) was beyond anything that the PLAYERS had so-far encountered in Gensokyo or elsewhere.
Whoever translated that forgot that Japanese is a contextual language, resulting in that botched translation.

> the battle with her isn't even considered a fight, as she was holding back the whole time.
He has said that about many characters, including PoFV Yuuka and PCB Yukari. This argument holds no water..

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>>18138967
Yukari will win and get another appearance in a game like she did with AoCF.

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>>18140958
But could Yuuka beat Vivit?

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>>18140958
>>18141123
>>18141140
So basically, Yuuka is SOOOOOOO strong and her number is SOOOOOOO big she could defeat every other character in the franchise?

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>>18141243
No? I was just explaining the logic of the resurgence.
My main argument was the same as
>>18141042 pointed out.
We actually don't have any idea where Yuuka falls on the spectrum, because Zun's not talking.

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>>18141283
I was mostly joking because the idea that Yuuka actually THE strongest character in the series just makes her character look stupid from a meta-perspective.

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>>18138967
Yukari gaps Yuuka into a black hole, end of story.

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I see that babafags are in full denial once again.

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>>18141140
Wasn't she confirmed strongest again in AoCF? The top dog of hell by default who literally rose to her position through strength without even desiring said position. Like I suppose in theory we don't know if she tops lunarians but it sure sounded that way.

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>>18141494
>AoCF
sorry, I utterly fucked up: I meant to type "AFiEU"

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>>18141497
In AFiEU, as part of her interview with Aya, she alluded to multiple 'Gods/Goddesses' of Hell, each considered to have 'limitless power' or something to that effect.
She went on to explain that she's not even a proper Goddess, it's just that Hell calls anyone that reaches that point to be Gods/Goddesses.
If anything, AFiEU actually downplayed her strength.

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>>18141512
Even if they did downplay it, if Heca is also a leader of the same organization Eiki also leads. Wouldn't it still put her at the same strength as her and is therefore stronger than all the other 2hus?

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>>18141553
Hecatia is unquestionably stronger than and superior to Eiki, down to the point that Eiki calls her by high honorifics.
But we can't really use Eiki as a power scale, because Zun has been wishywashy with her too.

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>>18139354
this. They don't go picking unnecessary fights so it would never happen

>>18140213
holy shit that ending was ridiculous

[Anonymous No.]

The one with the most beautiful Danmaku wins.

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>>18141512
>she alluded to multiple 'Gods/Goddesses' of Hell
Hecate is a Greek goddess residing in the underworld. The implication is that Hecatia is considered a "god" because Greek gods are basically just a kind of powerful being. So naturally if ZUN would throw in more Greek gods, they would follow similarly to Hecatia.

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>>18141366
Yuuka can just make Yukaris boundary manipulation ability wither away into nothingness.

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>>18151890
>Yukari uses the boundary between Wither and Growth
What you gonna do about it, hag?

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>>18153003
'Life and Death' has a border that can be manipulated, because it is an either or. But Wither and Growth are just two of many possible states, to go from one to the other you must first cross multiple states. Ergo, there is no boundary between Wither and Growth, ergo no shared boundary, ergo Yukari's ability is useless in that regard.

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>>18140958
>The place that Zun supposedly said that was mistranslated, what he was actually saying was that Hecatia was supposed to be the hardest boss fight yet in a gameplay sense, not that she was the strongest character.
ZUN said 幻想郷とか月の都とかいうレベルを完全に超えている, and that is very much not in a gameplay sense.

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>>18156949
>幻想郷とか月の都とかいうレベルを完全に超えている
Japanese (lit): "It far exceeds (what has been) seen in Gensokyo or the Moon."
Your point, anon?
Context established the subject (the 'it') as the battle with Hecatia, in the sense of difficulty, which suggests gameplay.
If he was talking directly about Hecatia, he probably would have chosen any of the dozen of other more direct ways of saying something ambiguous in that regard which has a more clear meaning in regards to gameplay.

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>>18156983
>direct ways of saying
*direct ways INSTEAD of saying

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>>18156983
The preceding statements of
反則的な敵なので, 勝負する段階に至っていない and お遊びなんです talk about her unfair existence and how she's playing around, why would he immediately segway into talking about her difficulty?
Hecatia isn't even the hardest boss in her own game, gameplay wise.
Also, why would he talk about the Lunar Capital? The only person fought there in the games was Sagume, who was a basic stage 4 boss. No, the Eientei group does not count. It makes much more sense for that statement to be say that she's above the cheat-like Yorihime and Toyohime. as well as Sagume.

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>>18153638
So what you're saying is, there's a boundary between the kind of distance wither and growth have, and an actual boundary between two things?

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>>18156949
So? ZUN has called characters "the strongest" before. Freiza was supposed to be the strongest in the universe too.

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>>18140958

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>>18159304
He was, though. Cell wasn't created until many years in the future and Buu was sealed away.

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>>18159304
He still has the strongest potential in the universe, its just that he's a lazy bum and needs motivation to train

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>>18159304
i mean if you want the highest existence, the dragon god is the top dog of them all, but hecatia is the unanimous top "named" character

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>>18141194
she somehow did it anon, in seihou 2 VIVIT use vivit as a "spell" in the equivalent of PoFV's dragon attack

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>>18138967
What happens if they fuck each other?

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>>18164938
Yuuukari is born

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>>18164967
>Yuukarin
Ftfy.

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>>18138967
There was a doujin that explored this, I think it was Yuuka vs Yukari by MARCH?
>>18164938
The sequel to said doujin was this. It was alright.

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>>18167561
Oh, it was by Chado.

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>>18167561
There are multiple doujin on this subject. I would link them if I could, but currently phone posting.

[Anonymous No.]

A overly dramatic light show where nobody dies.

Next question.

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>>18138967
Tribadism in the missionary position.

[Anonymous No.]

Narrative prevails so either Yuuka had better also want to protect Gensokyo or she's guaranteed to lose.

See: Hecatia being dumb enough to stake a 6+ month invasion she was winning on a 5 minute duel.

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>>18169865
Who would be on top?

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>>18169965
Yuuka. Yukari is a bottom because she's so lazy.

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Isn't Yukari immortal? I mean, she can manipulate the Boundary between Life and Death.

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>>18169930
Hadn't Hecatia already essentially lost the invasion by the time the extra stage rolled around? ZUN said that at that point, she was really just playing around. Or are you referring to something else?

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>>18170275

Hecatia was preparing to invade the dream world and shoot down Chang'e according to the manual (Which wouldn't work since Chang'e is a hourai)

ZUN said in the interview in SCoOW that she was playing around in the spellcard fight

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>>18170096
No.

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>>18171092
All classical youkai are immortal

Even if you destroy them, simply reading about them is enough to bring them back.

See: Enenra and Nurarihyon from FS

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>>18142085
The one true answer. Which means Yuuka wins.

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>>18156949
>>18159322
Thanks, I'd had a feeling that was how the Japanese read but my nip isn't good enough to be sure so I couldn't refute that claim that the translation was incorrect.

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>>18170096
>>18171158
I don't think that's the same kind of "immortal". If you destroy a specific youkai, or it dies of old age, that youkai is not coming back (unless it has its own weird abilities, such as the enenra needing to be sealed rather than exterminated). Yes, the "idea" of youkai will allow that species to always exist and not experience true death, but if someone killed Yukari or she just died, that'd be it (and I don't see how her abilities would serve any purpose once she's dead). This has been brought up a lot and so has many examples, but one that comes to my mind is Eiki basically implying that Yuuka better either fucking die or get off her lazy ass and scare humans, because she's lived way too long and is screwing with the natural order of things.

Side note: even Lunarians aren't immortal. They can be killed and even have a lifespan. Their lifespans are inconceivably long, but in CiLR one of them moonbitch sister's talks about how even their lives won't last forever.

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>>18170096
It's implied in Magical Astronomy, yes.