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Mahjong Thread Anonymous Mon Apr 2 00:56:56 2018 No.18739782 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 01:20:41 2018 No.18739869 How realistic is Akagi in terms of mahjong shenanigans You'd think eventually he'd lose because of luck Sometimes you get tsumoed to death and there's nothing you can do

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 01:20:51 2018 No.18739870 1:0 in in 7447 pls join

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 01:25:15 2018 No.18739888 >>18739782 She looks familiar Refresh my mind please. I don't remember the series name/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 01:35:06 2018 No.18739922 >>18739888 flip floppers

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 01:37:52 2018 No.18739929 >>18739735 To add from previous anon, you can also sacrifice han and play silent to increase your chance of ron-ing someone. Riichi call will make other 3 player re-consider their discards, so skipping that may lull them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 01:38:50 2018 No.18739930 >>18739870 Where did you go, 18739870-kun?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 01:41:26 2018 No.18739936 >>18739922 oh. how the fuck did i forget a name as unique as that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 01:46:03 2018 No.18739957 >>18739869 Of course it should not be realistic. No matter how good you are, you can't be in the first place all the time by winning baiman and yakuman, plus the earlier episodes I saw, he cheats. What I want to know is Kaiji good at mahjong or not?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 01:56:11 2018 No.18739982 >>18739957 Kaiji's risk management is fucking awful

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 02:08:19 2018 No.18740029 >>18739930 ive always been here 1:0

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 03:29:15 2018 No.18740328 File: 174 KB, 785x732, akagiwithagun.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18739782 >2:0

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 03:47:23 2018 No.18740389 What's your favorite yakuman Hard mode: No kokushi

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 03:51:41 2018 No.18740393 >>18740389 dora counted

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 04:23:57 2018 No.18740496 >>18740389 All greens

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 04:26:09 2018 No.18740505 >>18740328

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 05:11:35 2018 No.18740637
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>>18739869
Actually quite realistic disregarding Washizu's magic hands (but that's his gimmick) and that one time against Urabe (70 000 fucking points). Akagi gets a lot of shit hands to make up for the bullshit ones he usually gets after surviving, and sometimes gets tsumoed without being able to do anything for a while.
It's unthinkable for someone to win at mahjong every single time, but the games are usually long enough for Akagi to believably come out on top (sometimes the different rules make it more likely for him to dominate, like in Washizu mahjong)

What makes mahjong in FKMT works at least somewhat close to realistic is how everyone gets shit hands sometimes. There's a team mangan-only mahjong game in Ten and they spend like hours trying to win a single one. Ten trying to make a comeback against Harada is also met with lots of shit hands and ends with a Chun Haku Dora 1 hand, not exactly a monster.

>>18739957
>What I want to know is Kaiji good at mahjong or not?
Unexpectedly yes. He pulls quite a few bold genius moves during part 3. He also acts like a retard by dropping his tiles and shit but he did really good work by switching between two tenpai and reading into Muraoka's hand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 07:49:47 2018 No.18741137 File: 154 KB, 1280x824, salle_de_danse_7.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 1:0 I will prove magic is real

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 08:09:33 2018 No.18741196 >>18741137 2:0. Magic isn't real faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 09:06:28 2018 No.18741438 >>18741196 Is coming 2nd enough to PROVE magic?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 10:47:50 2018 No.18741886 File: 1.35 MB, 640x472, 1506287377230.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Get a couple of 4th places in a row and thought I was entering a slump >Suddenly nothing but 1st and 2nd places for 10 games in a row

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 11:04:10 2018 No.18741947 >>18741886 So are you back to 4th place hell?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 11:11:38 2018 No.18741975 >>18741947 Not yet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 14:53:14 2018 No.18743165 File: 50 KB, 640x480, 1501626885481.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18741947 Yes.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 18:10:12 2018 No.18744413

Sorry in advance, but I gave the pastebin a once over and it was helpful, but still pretty bare bones.

Are any of the multiplayer games capable of letting me and my friend against 2 bots. Preferably one in English. I think learning this game would be a lot less daunting with a friend.

Thanks.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 18:12:40 2018 No.18744427

>>18744413
Never heard of a 2 vs bots online game, either go for 1 vs 3 bots http://gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html or 4 players on Tenhou (don't forget to install the Tenhou English User Interface extension so you don't have to bother with reading Japanese)

It doesn't take all that long to learn against the computer, the hard part is memorizing the yakus

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 18:17:01 2018 No.18744463 >>18744427 Is the 4 player just 3 randomly matched people or can it be 3 friends?

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 18:19:49 2018 No.18744481

>>18744463
http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447 will allow you to play with friends since it's always empty, so you can just join all together at the same time without anyone else getting in (and you can ask more people to join either here or on the mahjong discord if you need)

The official room ( http://tenhou.net/3/?L0000 ) randomly matches people

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 18:19:49 2018 No.18744482

>>18744413
>>18744463
Mahjong Tengokuhai can accommodate friendly play. Make a room, set amount of AI player, then invite your friend to the room and play. I haven't tried that feature though. Dragon hunter never ;_;
>>18744463
In normal lobby L0, random. In private lobbies, whoever available, so you can go to private lobby and gather other 3 players to play together.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 18:57:59 2018 No.18744742
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>riichi on a ryanmen wait about 8 discards into the hand
>nothing out of the ordinary from everyone elses discards
>shimocha riichis right after me
>immediately deal into his chinitsu dealer baiman and die

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 18:59:51 2018 No.18744759 >>18744742 tenhou is just full of this bullshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 20:16:20 2018 No.18745174 File: 11 KB, 168x198, 1503287185250.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18744742 Lucklets, when will they learn?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 21:11:14 2018 No.18745455 >>18744742 I had a funny match where I was in the first place in the last game and then another guy deals a richii and wins the game with Kokushi Muso. I had like 60,000 points but with the yakuman, he ends up winning like 200 more points.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 21:22:18 2018 No.18745535 >>18739869 >How realistic is Akagi in terms of mahjong shenanigans The play? No. The emotions? Yes.

Anonymous Mon Apr 2 21:24:25 2018 No.18745555
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>>18744742
Ryanmen is easy as shit to defend. Just run through a checklist, based on discarded tiles applying suji AND kabe. With that said, you're looking to tsumo anyways.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 2 22:49:46 2018 No.18746137 >>18744482 >>18744481 >>18744427 Thanks for the help.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 00:54:21 2018 No.18746804 noname is always akagi-tier or call everything

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 06:19:41 2018 No.18747881 How good are real players compared to the gamedesign bots? Can you tenhou nolifers consistently beat the bots?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 06:48:02 2018 No.18747984 >>18747881 Yeah, the bots are pretty easy to win against.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 06:49:48 2018 No.18747990 >>18747881 As a new player myself I need to say people in ippan usually shoot in the dark, win just to win and off the first winning tile they get. Meaning you can be the second place just while being cautious around riichis and guys with calls.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 07:10:59 2018 No.18748080 File: 234 KB, 1024x1024, 67742218_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I've been out of touch with Tenhou... what is the current limitations of a free account if I play the HTML5 version?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 08:36:31 2018 No.18748428 >>18748080 Maybe sound & background customization, plus local file logging. It's the closest you can get for free to the client.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 10:01:39 2018 No.18748741 wanwan:zero

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 11:47:16 2018 No.18749318

>>18747990
>and off the first winning tile they get.
Everyone does that, though. The instances where you should pass on a winning tile a very rare, probably less than 1%. Otherwise you're right. I had like a 5% 4th place rate in ippan. It's very easy to avoid the lower places. Winning is of course also pretty easy, but since winning always requires some luck even against bad players it's not as extreme.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 14:00:26 2018 No.18749851 I haven't played Mahjong in a long time, now when I go on Tenhou and pick the flash version I get a black screen. Is flash version kill or is the problem in my browser?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 14:43:32 2018 No.18750045 >>18749851 Maybe the browser. There's manual activation for Flash player in browsers nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 15:14:11 2018 No.18750229 >>18750045 Thanks. Downloaded flash player from Adobe's website and it works now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 15:57:44 2018 No.18750517 >>18749851 >>18750229 The flash version will probably be killed in the next couple of years though. Every browser is blocking flash by default now and Adobe already said they are abandoning the platform.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 19:04:22 2018 No.18751595 >>18750517 >Flash It has been fun

Anonymous Tue Apr 3 20:09:29 2018 No.18751929

>>18739869
Most of the time he's just fucking with people.
For example the last game against Urabe, he didn't really leave the room, even if he did and was wrong about Urabe's discard, the game would've continued since he was dealer.
Washizu is an example how it's pretty hard to play against extreme luck

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 21:23:56 2018 No.18752358 File: 2 KB, 57x54, tfw didn't win.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18752102

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 22:30:31 2018 No.18752730 >>18752102 /jp/ meetup

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 23:35:20 2018 No.18753038 is there any hope in playing the touhou mahjong game without understanding nip? i cant find any translation patches for the game, i could play another one but i want cute anime girls saying stupid shit as i attempt to learn and destroy them

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 3 23:40:44 2018 No.18753070 at a certain point i just started discarding the tiles i got because i wanted it to end faster

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 00:08:44 2018 No.18753208 1:4 pls join

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 02:57:12 2018 No.18753776 >>18740389 Suuankou

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 03:58:06 2018 No.18753952 >>18740389 Each one that I scored

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 04:07:25 2018 No.18753977 >>18753776 This, it's just so satisfying to get just the right tiles over and over again

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 08:16:41 2018 No.18754719 File: 343 KB, 729x619, ZAWA.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18739782 HOLY FUCKING SHIT 04/04 \| 牌譜 \| 般南喰赤 \| http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018040421gm-0009-0000-00106762&tw=0

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 13:51:34 2018 No.18756432 >>18754719 >double ankan dora Feels gud, don't it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:47:06 2018 No.18756683 >>18754719 >didn't need riichi >still riiched and ronned >could've scored regular yakuman or kazoe yakuman >ended the game with this hand it's fucking obscene

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:47:08 2018 No.18756684 File: 48 KB, 1280x720, Higurashi (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18754719 >Deals into the one yakuman hand that isn't a yakuman when dealt into >Turns out to be a yakuman anyway The absolute best

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:51:39 2018 No.18756705 >>18756683 Well without the riichi, it would've been a mangan, the riichi turned it into a haneman hand, which can potentially go up to kazoe yakuman

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 14:53:12 2018 No.18756710 >>18756705 Thought the uradoras were regular doras. It's even worse, fuck that guy for having this hand

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:34:39 2018 No.18756918 >>18756705 >didn't need riichi With two chances for ura dora, riichi turning it into guaranteed haneman plus a somewhat decent wait with the 9s being a terminal I think riichi was correct here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:35:41 2018 No.18756923 >>18756918 meant to quote >>18756683

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 15:36:33 2018 No.18756930 >>18756923 >>18756918 See >>18756710

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:01:29 2018 No.18757065 If I was to watch Akagi and Legendary Gambler Testuya, would I learn how to play Mahjong?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:07:25 2018 No.18757100 >>18757065 Things you can learn with Mahjong themed anime: - Akagi: Psychology - Tetsuta: Cheats - Saki: That girls can love other girls

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:16:49 2018 No.18757138 >>18756683 Without riichi, it isn't kazoe. It's the uras that turned it into one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 16:36:05 2018 No.18757222 >>18757100 >That girls can love other girls How?!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 17:47:26 2018 No.18757536 >>18753038 find it yourself gaijin-mong

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 18:02:29 2018 No.18757600 >>18756930 How is it even worse then, though?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 21:12:18 2018 No.18758916 File: 905 KB, 1019x937, 4 kans let you rinshan before stopping the game.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18757600 Son of a bitch pulled 8 doras straight out of hell, what a horrible human being. I just did the same

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 21:18:17 2018 No.18758957 File: 119 KB, 1280x720, uni-saki-achiga-hen-episode-of-side-a-01-hi10p720p-x264-aace126402c-mkv_snapshot_02-48_2012-04-16_23-36-04.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18758916 >NEED1PIN >Has a 1 pin shouminkan

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 4 21:21:27 2018 No.18758974 File: 511 KB, 639x360, KEIKAKU DOORI.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18758957 i never lie

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 01:20:56 2018 No.18760554 >>18754719 >http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018040421gm-0009-0000-00106762&tw=0 Damn nice 8 uradoras.

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:09:35 2018 No.18762891
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>See this match-up in joukyuu
>Prepare for a hard fought match
>Get blessed by heavenly luck winning 8 fucking hands in a row
1dan, 1883R and growing now, bitches.

http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018040522gm-0089-0000-f0bd24c7&tw=0

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:26:34 2018 No.18762994 tanyao needs to be removed

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:40:56 2018 No.18763075 >>18762994 Just open tanyao. Closed can stay.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:51:30 2018 No.18763138 are these stats fine for a new player >win rate 18% >deal-in rate 19% >call rate 44% >riichi rate 21%

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 10:55:09 2018 No.18763159 >>18763075 Well, Tenhou has it, but few play it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 12:55:44 2018 No.18763768 >>18762994 >>18763075 But then, how would I wreck your 4-sided wait and/or run away when I'm in first place?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 14:07:54 2018 No.18764053 File: 306 KB, 1110x1326, 1522025653647.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18763768 Face it like a man, puss

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 15:32:04 2018 No.18764435 >>18763768 if youre going for anything lower than AT LEAST 4 han hands when youre in the lead then youre a degenerate

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 15:40:30 2018 No.18764462 >>18763138 maybe they're "fine for a new player" but you don't want to just be fine for a new player. Go out and improve them. Always improve them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 16:05:44 2018 No.18764554 >>18763138 No. A win rate higher than a deal-in rate is garbage. Remember that tsumo is a thing. Your call rate is high but in the lower rooms you can get away with that. Riichi rate is good.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 16:06:46 2018 No.18764560 >>18764554 I meant lower, obviously.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 16:56:44 2018 No.18764840 >>18764435 Senten is love. Senten is life.

Anonymous Thu Apr 5 18:22:01 2018 No.18765314

>>18764435
>going for anything but the absolute fastest wins at any time
lmao have fun trying to get together your 1000000 point miracle dream hand while I run away with the game at lightning speed

>"ugh that fast win put me behind, I need a mangan now to get ahead"
>"ugh fuck my mangan took too long and now i need a haneman"
>"ugh fuck i lost again and i was the dealer that time, it's the last round, i need to pull out all the stops......."
>"what do you mean i lost?! that guy only did eight 2000 point hands in a row!"

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 18:25:01 2018 No.18765335 >>18765314 You're not wrong, but you're always one lucky punch away from being fucked but hey, do what works for you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 18:27:17 2018 No.18765356 File: 588 KB, 843x717, 1445700551134.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18765314 >"what do you mean i lost?! that guy only did eight 2000 point hands in a row!" mfw it's a yakuman in some rulesets

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 21:02:05 2018 No.18766051 File: 77 KB, 819x491, Bamboo hax.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fuck you bot! Fuck you!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 22:17:17 2018 No.18766404 >>18764554 i went on a large losing streak but i finally balanced the win rate and deal-in to 18%, i didnt really know about furiten or that i needed yaku for a hand so i dealt in a lot

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 22:18:20 2018 No.18766409 File: 261 KB, 348x357, 1510132645310.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18762891 >4th dan 1873R playing in Joukyuu What a fucking disgrace.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 22:20:50 2018 No.18766418 >>18766404 my most recent games are 1st 2nd 2nd 3rd 2nd 1st 2nd 2nd 2nd 1st

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 22:29:02 2018 No.18766468 >>18766404 >I didn't know about furiten or that I needed yaku Baby steps anon

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 22:46:12 2018 No.18766545 how does Mahjong even work? It's like Pachinko to me. then again I'm a western shitter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 22:59:27 2018 No.18766582 File: 1.20 MB, 999x3000, mahjong.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18766545 It's Japanese poker Assemble 4 sets and a pair

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 23:21:52 2018 No.18766675 File: 53 KB, 528x444, zdzislaw_beksinski_1974.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18766545 leave now before it consumes you like it has us...

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 01:02:58 2018 No.18767211 2:4

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 01:15:59 2018 No.18767280 3:0 pls join

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 02:38:08 2018 No.18767601 File: 121 KB, 720x960, 1393284786069.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18766675 need to say to this skelly anon seemingly collecting thematic art that skeleton threads in /toy/ are sometimes pretty fun.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 02:44:44 2018 No.18767631 >>18765314 >what do you mean I lost? I won eight hands in a row but that guy only won a single dealer haneman?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 03:21:10 2018 No.18767753 >>18767631 >"lmao i win dealer hanemans all the time" >"nobody ever gets a direct hit on me while I'm slowly trying to build a good hand" this is what you sound like

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 03:34:50 2018 No.18767792

>>18766582
>>18766582
Okay so I'm trying to learn different hands and whatnot and it's a little daunting
Basically, if you pon or chi something there's no way you can get a really heavy hitting hand unless you Dora bomb someone
I feel like every decent hand has to be concealed

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 03:46:51 2018 No.18767830

>>18767792
Cheap hands are great if you have some dora to give you points. You can also mix yakuhai with chanta and hon itsu well. Chanta goes well with san shoku dou. With two of these plus a dora, you're already looking at a 3 han hand. One more and it's already at 7k.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 04:03:01 2018 No.18767900 >>18767792 There's more than just hand value. Speed, offensive/defensive condition, and most importantly, winning chance.

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 06:00:43 2018 No.18768315

>>18767792
Hand value is just one thing. Sometimes you just wanna pon something to set up a quick and cheap tanyao hand. If you're already in first you just want to pass the rounds by quickly.

For now don't worry about learning yakuman hands as that shit's rare. Just focus on tanyao, and pinfu. Those are the key foundations of mahjong.

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 06:30:22 2018 No.18768483

>>18763075
Mahjong is better with kuitan and pretty much everyone agrees. Kuitan actually balances the game. Without it, the use of speed as a tactical option is limited to whoever's lucky enough to have yakuhai. People love to complain about being cut off by quick, cheap hands, but the reality is that speed adds a lot of depth to the game. Fukuchi calls mahjong a game about who can make a mangan first and who can stop the others from winning mangan, there's a lot of skill and strategy involved in deciding which one to be in any given round. That's why people who only ever win quick, cheap hands and people who only ever chase big, slow hands won't be successful in the long run.

Now, if you actually want to nerf speed, the most effective way is to remove akadora. If you've ever played WRC rules, the decrease in average hand value leads to a much greater emphasis on building yaku. At the same time however there's also more incentive to push against riichi because there's less risk in doing so. When people push against each other, the game is reduced to a luck-based tile-flipping contest about whose wait comes out first.

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 07:49:32 2018 No.18768895

>>18768483
>pretty much everyone agrees
Except this dutch club presided by Martin Rep (founder of WRC and Mahjong News) who suddenly decided to ban kuitan and reintroduce akadora instead of following EMA rules:

https://www.furiten.nl/blog/141-rode-vijven.html

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 08:26:15 2018 No.18769016 Complaining about ruleset won't get you anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 10:43:41 2018 No.18769616 >>18768315 I find pinfu unexpectedly hard to achieve. Getting to win with your corresponding wind or dragon tiles would be better to do. Also it seems to give you better score than tanyao while it's quite quick to get a win condition.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 10:51:52 2018 No.18769646 >>18769616 Everytime I even think of going for pinfu, pairs and triplets start coming. Too bad they always stop just short of a san ankou.

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 11:04:51 2018 No.18769690
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>>18769616
I don't understand. If the dora is terminal and I have some I'm going riichi + pinfu. All you need is double-sided wait. It even accepts otakaze. Pinfu is life.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 11:44:16 2018 No.18769864 >>18767753 >this is what you sound like Only if the reader is a retard. Here's a hint: You were the one to claim to ALWAYS go for the fastet hand. I never said anything about getting hanemans all the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 11:48:56 2018 No.18769886 >>18769616 Of course open hands are faster than closed hands, but pinfu is the fastest closed hand (except for riichi nomi obviously). Pinfu is good for easily sacking a yaku.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 17:08:51 2018 No.18771520 >Complaining about pinfu and tanyao >Not mentioning that shitfest that is chanta, where you're limited to tiles that basically no one wants plus edge and middle waits everywhere

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 17:16:49 2018 No.18771546 >>18771520 What is there to complain then?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 17:52:22 2018 No.18771685 >>18771546 It's shit for a 1-han yaku

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 18:01:07 2018 No.18771720 >>18771685 It's fast though. If the dora is a terminal, pon that shit and go for chanta or toitoi, leaves you plenty of space to move.

NoName Fri Apr 6 18:09:36 2018 No.18771764
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>tfw don't know the intricate details of the game(read: have no knowlege or gamesense for it and am playing my first ever game with other people)
>still somehow manage to get a last-round tsumo that puts me from last place into second
i didn't understand jack shit, but it was fun. thanks, room 7447

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 18:18:25 2018 No.18771820 >>18771685 True, I feel like it could be worth more. Then again it will often go together with either yakuhai or sanshoku.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 22:35:11 2018 No.18773033 File: 523 KB, 870x777, wellskilledwin.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is my highest hand ive gotten and i just wanted to share the moment with my friends at /jp/

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 23:13:42 2018 No.18773219 File: 1.15 MB, 618x700, wahaha.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >1:8

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 23:29:16 2018 No.18773265

Chiitoi is the most underrated badass yaku ever.
>uses tanki wait, not pussy coward ryanmen
>because it's tanki wait, you can use honor tiles for dank trap
>relies on tiles NOT in discard pools, so 10/10 all-in agressive
>unique 25 fu
>dora tiles always come in pair (excluding akadora)
>did I mention tanki wait?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 00:47:57 2018 No.18773532 >>18773033 >uradora >7 what the fuck anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 03:32:03 2018 No.18774030 >>18773265 Even when it's not chiitoi, tanki waits with random wind tiles are great. Almost guaranteed ippatsu ron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 04:43:56 2018 No.18774223 File: 2 KB, 90x77, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I feel like my win rate's too low. Post rates.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 06:34:49 2018 No.18774625 >>18766582 I appreciate the Koizumi shoutout.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 07:47:49 2018 No.18775037 File: 88 KB, 418x378, IMG_20180407_234615.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18774223

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 08:21:14 2018 No.18775231 File: 1 KB, 71x73, rates.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18774223 >win rate below .30 >deal-in rate above .10 Weak.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 08:57:34 2018 No.18775440 File: 28 KB, 243x155, rates.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18774223 I don't feel safe declaring riichi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 10:01:52 2018 No.18775873 File: 10 KB, 243x292, pleb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i am not getting better

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 10:03:14 2018 No.18775879 >>18775440 >.062 Just do it, m8. You can't get good with a riichi rate this low.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 10:05:23 2018 No.18775894

>>18775873
Want some advice? I have time on my hands, so if you post a few recent games I can look over them. From the stats alone the most glaring issues are that your call rate and deal-in rate are too high. You might want to call less and defend earlier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 10:06:39 2018 No.18775903 >>18775894 i can post games but it wont matter much. i am just general trash. so any amount of playing might improve me. though its probably going slower then most

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 10:09:48 2018 No.18775920

>>18775903
Yeah, at 1550 R it's probably too early to go through the game discard by discard, but I could try to figure out some general recommendations about what you could do to improve such as looking up specific defense technics or defending earlier if you want.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 10:14:30 2018 No.18775953

>>18775920
03/29 | 牌譜 | 般南喰赤 | http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018032903gm-0009-0000-3873d206&tw=0
03/29 | 牌譜 | 般南喰赤 | http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018032905gm-0009-0000-143dd295&tw=2
03/30 | 牌譜 | 般南喰赤 | http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018033002gm-0009-0000-29edf0a0&tw=2
03/30 | 牌譜 | 般南喰赤 | http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018033006gm-0009-0000-b2878ed3&tw=1

and here is my first yakuman
>>18754719

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 11:07:36 2018 No.18776235
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>>18775953
You should probably work on your tile efficiency first. You usually discard honor tiles first, which is good, but then you make some mistakes.
Think about whether a tile provides any additional tiles you could draw to improve your hand. For example look at the 8s discard in the first frame. The 8s provided an additional tle that would help you - 7s for a 678s run. The 9p didn't provide anything. Even if you discard 9p you can still form a run by drawing 8p that is 678p. Sure you can't use the 6p as the pair anymore but pairs are easy to form anyway and you still have the 3p pair.
You also often keep shapes such as 134 too long. The 1 in this case is pretty useless since the 34 can become a run by drawing a 2 without it anyway. So just discard it and keep an isolated 8 or something instead. Isolated middle tiles are better than terminals in such shapes.The 6m discard in the secodn frame is even worse. It doesn't help you at all in terms of speed. You were probably looking for honitsu, but you already had yakuhai + 2 dora + red 5 for mangan. With a hand this valuable you should aim to finish it as quickly as possible not to increase the value further.

Also think more about tanyao (and other yaku, but most importatly tanyao). You often keep terminals when you shouldn't. Again look that the 8s discard. If you had discarded 9p you'd have tanayo (plus a decent chance for sanshoku 678).

So to sum it up: Think more about what tiles actually help advance the hand, remember tanayo and don't get too greedy especially when you're hand is already good.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 11:42:44 2018 No.18776429

>>18769886
But pinfu is too risky to me at least in my experience. Everytime I'm waiting at tenpai in pinfu, I have no freedom to discard the tile I want and lose that session. And when I lose it, somehow, the opposing player has few doras and uradora to screw me for the rest of the match. It keeps happening to a point where I sometimes don't choose to richi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 11:53:40 2018 No.18776477 >>18776235 doesn't chiba's book have a rundown of shapes and how to treat them? seems like a good place to start for our friend here

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 12:08:15 2018 No.18776540 Do you guys prefer yakuza 0 or yakuza kiwami for mahjong?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 12:35:20 2018 No.18776686 >>18776540 Yakuza 5 features a hidden side quest where the "God of Mahjong" invites you to a high stakes table. You can only trigger him after becoming #1 in the ranked matches.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 12:36:56 2018 No.18776696

>>18776429
>Everytime I'm waiting at tenpai in pinfu, I have no freedom to discard the tile I want
Are you talking about pinfu or riichi? Because for pinfu that doesn't make sense. Riichi certainly comes with a risk but the possible reward usually far outweights that. Sure sometimes you will deal in but in the long run it in the long it helps you win. Just don't riichi with a crap wait + low value hand or a very high value hand.

>>18776477
I think so, has been a while since I read it, though.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 13:08:17 2018 No.18776842

>>18776696
At least in my experience most of the first place I earned was because I didn't do richii. The only exception where the outcome is great is chii toitsu. With the pinfu, someone usually richiis after me and win with ippatsu. It's infuriating enough that someone snatches away the very good hand you built over the course of time but worse when you get deducted 8000 and more.

It's bad enough for me to sometimes consider the viable strategy of sabotaging my own hand (which is usually terrible anyway) at the first session and hang back as the winner wrecks someone else. At the end most of the time I end up in the second place without having to win.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 13:20:35 2018 No.18776907 File: 742 KB, 851x878, 1508340046681.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >kyuushuu kyuuhai >in 7447 >with 11 tiles

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 13:24:15 2018 No.18776931

>>18776842
>With the pinfu, someone usually richiis after me and win with ippatsu.
Oikake riichi is just bad luck. Pinfu by default has the best non-complex wait possible and thus the best chance at winning the hand. Don't get misled by hindsight. If you get bad luck after doing something right just keep doing it until luck turns to you.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 14:07:45 2018 No.18777184

>>18776931
>If you get bad luck after doing something right just keep doing it until luck turns to you.

Is it worth the effort when the rating gets bad? Don't get me wrong, sure when you win it, it's a great score and feeling of satisfaction but I don't think it's worth coming at last place in repetition to chase the pinfu.

I was maintaining that near r1500 around at 5kyu but you arrive at the last place for three times in row, then you drop sliding to 1350. I mean you need to have good skills and strategy to be good at mahjong no doubt but luck seems to be the deciding factor in my experience.

And with pinfu, if I don't do the richi first time, I go into furiten, make all my effort go into waste. With chii toitsu you can actually exploit the hand to build it better with dora, red tiles and sometimes tan yao as well before declaring richii.

You'd expect chii toitsu to be harder to pull off than pinfu not in my experience.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 14:36:58 2018 No.18777343 2:0 pls join

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 15:14:24 2018 No.18777501

>>18777184
>but I don't think it's worth coming at last place in repetition to chase the pinfu.
This should not be happening consistently if you play well. Fact is pinfu is one of the easiest and fastest yakus. If you have decent tile efficiency it should not make you lose games all the time. If it does you're probably doing something else wrong.

>And with pinfu, if I don't do the richi first time, I go into furiten, make all my effort go into waste.
This is another sign that the problem is probably rather your tile efficiency then pinfu. If you play by the book you will rarely end up furiten.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely a lot of instances where you shouldn't aim for pinfu. Modern mahjong is all about speed, so that is usually more important than ANY yaku. But if you're looking for yakus to incorporate into your closed hand without losing speed pinfu is on average the easiest option.

Can you give me a replay where you suspect pursuing pinfu weas backfiring on you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 15:18:32 2018 No.18777516 File: 517 KB, 959x1000, norules.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] went from 1300 to 1530 and 5-kyuu to 1-kyuu i can feel it jp..

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 16:17:08 2018 No.18777838 >>18775879 Eh, I'm doing good so far.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 17:02:39 2018 No.18778049 >>18777838 Well, you could do better. >>18777516 kyuu/dan doesn't matter that early, but congrats on the leap in R, 250 is a huge difference in terms of skill.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 19:28:22 2018 No.18778766

>>18777501
Nope, I get rid of terminal and honour tiles unless they are pair and play like everyone else. Just now I have played three games in row, jesus fucking tap dancing christ, everytime I'm close to richii, someone else does it. And I'm weary of declaring it because it's gonna bite me. Anyways I'll look for it where I got btfo whenever I was going for pinfu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 19:34:17 2018 No.18778784 >>18778766 I found it. http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018040807gm-0009-0000-7426de16&tw=0 Just skip to the second last session where I got wrecked.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 19:56:12 2018 No.18778873 >>18778784 Mate you simply played terribly that round. You completely deserved to get wrecked and it had nothing to do with pinfu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 20:02:57 2018 No.18778897 >>18778873 Yeah sure buddy. At least point out what I did was wrong instead of unhelpful snarky bullshit. What would you have done in my shoes? I mean come on, why the hell do I get 5 sou that was the only one left as soon as I declare richii?

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 20:06:34 2018 No.18778913

>>18778784
don't bother posting replays here unless someone that's already been advising you requests them. you'll just get a bunch of 1600r forever joukyuu mock your mistakes.

truth is, you're your biggest critic and nothing will make you learn better than reviewing your own games after some time has passed. you will feel shame and frustration as you see yourself deal in when you should have folded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 20:12:46 2018 No.18778934 >>18778913 Actually >>18777501 did. >you will feel shame and frustration as you see yourself deal in when you should have folded. Yep, I fold most of the time and I go fine. After this game, I fold when I need to avoid getting the last place.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 20:17:34 2018 No.18778958

>>18778913
>you'll just get a bunch of 1600r forever joukyuu mock your mistakes
If those scrubs can mock those mistakes, doesn't that mean those are really stupid mistakes? Sure as much as they want to help, what they're talking about can be misleading, but it's not that anything in this thread should be taken verbatim.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 20:22:45 2018 No.18778975 >>18778958 for sure, but having gone through all of that myself, much better to warn him. the idea is to avoid the denial that comes from mockery with no constructive criticism

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 20:26:35 2018 No.18778992 >>18778975 Thanks for the helpful advice.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 20:33:40 2018 No.18779031

>>18778897
If you really want a full review I'll give you one, but I'm not home right now so it'll have to wait. For now though I'll just say that you should've won that hand way earlier, you should've cut the hatsu and chun instead of the vital 7s that completed a block, and you shouldn't declare a furiten riichi when one side has been kanned and there's only one or two outs left for the other side.

True, you couldn't control drawing 5s after riichi, but that was actually the result of all of your decisions up until that point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 20:43:18 2018 No.18779065 >>18779031 Thanks for the constructive critcism. This is actually helpful.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 20:57:29 2018 No.18779142

>>18778992
well let me give you a tip. you didn't lose the game during those later rounds when you got busted. You lost the game once you lost your lead. once you get tossed to 4th you have to start making some hail Mary plays in he hopes of getting back in. there's minutia I could going to, but from a higher level, you have to control your urge to push hands. you'll say to yourself "but I was defending!" but were you? or did you keep safe tile in favor or "maybe" tiles to advance your hand?

when you told, you really FOLD.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 21:05:52 2018 No.18779193 3:0

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 22:49:40 2018 No.18779797 >>18778913 Thanks, your advice indeed has been proved useful. I finally get the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 01:16:15 2018 No.18780463 >>18778766 >I get rid of terminal and honour tiles unless they are pair and play like everyone else. Incorrect, in >>18778784 you consistently keep those tiles and break useful (or even completed) shapes, or deal middle tiles instead of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 01:30:15 2018 No.18780507 >>18780463 Seems like I'm doing something correct now. I'm not in the last place any more. And I stand corrected. pinfu is not for me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 01:45:30 2018 No.18780591 >>18778784 >discarding middle tiles and keeping the shitty dragon tiles For what purpose. You could have been in tenpai if you just got rid of them from the start

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 01:50:23 2018 No.18780617 >>18780591 *in tenpai earlier

Anonymous Sun Apr 8 02:32:00 2018 No.18780874

>>18778784
>>18779031
>E1:
1p as the first discard is bad, 3p gives a ryankan so drop west first. Breaking 889m is bad, you lose the sanshoku chance so tsumogiri the north instead. Discarding 5p for no reason was bad, tsumogiri the useless north instead. 9p discard after 8m pon was bad - you have too many blocks so you should either discard the red 5m or break up the east pair (preferably earlier than this) since the other two easts are already out. 5s discard after the 8p pon was bad, you're passing up tenpai with a dora kanchan to keep the red 5m which would be the same value if you managed to make a block with it. 7s discard immediately after the two riichis was terrible, not only is it super dangerous to both players but it's the tile next to their riichi discards and it's also next to the dora. Your hand is only worth 2000 points and you've got a bad wait, you shouldn't be pushing here (and for that matter you shouldn't have called so aggressively because it leaves you so exposed). Fold with the east pair and hope you survive until one of them deals into the other.

>E1-1
2p as the first discard is bad, drop the west instead. Breaking up the 12m penchan was bad, drop the west instead. 8s was bad, just drop the west already. 7m is even worse. If you were going to discard the second 2p anyway then you should discard it before 7m, but seriously, drop the west. 8p pon was questionable but okay, but 3m was bad. Drop the chun instead, it's useless with two out. This time your hand was worth pushing against the riichi but I hope you're at least aware that 6p was dangerous.

>E2
Did you check the dora? 1m as the first discard is bad, drop the south first. 6s chii was bad, you shouldn't open your hand for atozuke on hatsu nomi. You especially shouldn't break up the 79m to keep 1p for no reason. You absolutely shouldn't push the live haku on the ippatsu round against a dealer riichi, especially when the 9m has just passed.

>E2-1
Woo boy this one's a doozy. The first few discards after south could go a couple of ways, but 7s was absolutely not one of them as you lose the 58s ryanmen. 3p was bad, you lose the ryankan 35p + 68p. Drop the useless chun instead. 8m was bad, you lose the 7m penchan. Drop the chun instead, or at least the now useless 8p. Breaking up the 3m pair against two riichis, one of them from the dealer, was terrible. Did you check the dora? I have no idea what you're aiming for by doing this but the least you could do if you wanted to push is to discard the 9m pair instead. It's not technically safe but it's still much safer than the dora, and it also lets you add tanyao. 4s what the hell? If you'd played this right you'd have tanyao pinfu with three dora and possible sanshoku, which is definitely worth pushing. Why choose to fold now? And if you knew how to fold, why didn't you fold in any of the previous rounds? Assuming you are folding, 5s was dangerous and you should've discarded 6m or 5p first as they were both 100% safe.

I know I said I'd give you a full review but I get the feeling it's just going to be more of the same at this point. You need to learn about tile efficiency because it looks like you've got very little idea of how to build a hand. This is the real reason why things aren't turning out well for you, and it really has nothing to do with pinfu or riichi. Before you discard anything, you should ask yourself why you're discarding it. Ask yourself what options you'll lose by discarding it, and ask yourself what other tiles you can discard instead that lose fewer options.

Anonymous Sun Apr 8 03:42:59 2018 No.18781115

>>18778766
>Nope, I get rid of terminal and honour tiles unless they are pair and play like everyone else.
Are you implying that that's all there is about tile efficiency? Because if you do, then I've found your problem.

>>18778784
I suppose you are talking about the first S1 game? Like I supspected the problem is clearly your tile efficiency.
Sorry, but you just played that hand utterly terrible. You keep the chun and hatsu WAY too long. The middle tiles you discarded before them were all more useful. Especially the 7s. The 7s completed a a run (567) and you broke it apart for a single dragon tile. You should NEVER do that. Even the isolated middle tiles like the 2m or 5p are more useful than the dragon tiles. And so is the dora 9p. Then you dropped the 2p, another terrible discard. You had 23p - a fantatsic shape why would you break that apart? Every single other tile you discarded afterwards should've also stayed. Then you declared furiten riichi, something you very rarely ever should do, especially this late in the game. Also note that you wouldn't be furiten if you hadn't made that atrocious 7s discard earlier. I suppose you were robably aiming for sanshoku? However, you should never pursue a yaku at the cost of this much speed (unless it's S4 and you really need the points).

Like the other guy said read up about basic tile efficiency if you want to get better. Read the basic tile efficiency chapter in this book, it's very good: http://riichi.dynaman.net/RiichiBooks/RiichiBook1.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 10:24:26 2018 No.18782849 1:0

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 11:17:08 2018 No.18783218 File: 255 KB, 800x600, akagi efficiency.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18744742

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 11:21:13 2018 No.18783253 File: 404 KB, 729x619, 8888888.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18754719

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 11:24:26 2018 No.18783272 File: 22 KB, 136x176, 1494841578259.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >too coward to chase 1st place >in 7447

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 11:28:58 2018 No.18783294 >>18783272 >Would've gotten 2 uradora for easy haneman too. Truly sad, I didn't even have a yaku

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 14:08:24 2018 No.18784362 >>18783218 Akagi is just fucking insane

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 15:05:28 2018 No.18784942 >>18783218 >Win the same turn Only possible with rinshan kaihou. Rather seems like Sakis guide to me.

Anonymous Sun Apr 8 16:34:58 2018 No.18785605
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Would you push this? It's mangan tenpai with a good wait but the dealer managed to bullshit his way into a 7han minimum hand and a single dora would bump it up to a dealer baiman.

Anonymous Sun Apr 8 17:27:23 2018 No.18785941
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>>18785605
possibly, but I would do it by tossing 2sou and using the two 5man as your pair instead. tossing 5man seems really risky but 2sou at least has a little glean of safety based on simocha's latest 5sou discard.

unless kamicha is in a tanki wait tempai waiting on 2sou, somehow got in a 25sou wait tenpai over his/her turn, or passed on the win to Target you, (all of which are less likely) then it should be safe.

you're taking a step backwards, but you're buying time. hopefully you can draw one of the four tiles needed to complete your new tenpai, toss the other 2sou and keep a dama tenpai until you either win or have to fold for real.

Anonymous Sun Apr 8 17:49:32 2018 No.18786078

>>18785605
>7han minimum
But I only see 6?

Yes, I would. Throwing away a mangan tenpai with ryanmen when not even knowing if your opponent is in tenpai seems to defensive to me.
This suggestion >>18785941 also seems to defensive. Don't be too afraid of taking chances just because you're facing a big hand. If you win, in some way you win twice - you get a mangan hand plus you deny an opponent a possibly game deciding hand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 21:25:05 2018 No.18787349 >>18785605 so how did it end?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 07:07:32 2018 No.18789643 File: 65 KB, 605x446, DaRMeaEV4AEHIDf[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 07:36:33 2018 No.18789742 >>18789643 Pon 9s and go for tanki 1s.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 09:42:55 2018 No.18790154 1:0 Come hold the glory of NoName

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 12:19:28 2018 No.18790988 3:0

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 12:43:06 2018 No.18791101 >>18789643 Sucks, but the hand is still far from dead >>18789742

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 12:48:42 2018 No.18791124 >can't even get to tenpai without calling >one guy hoards all your winning tiles all game Days like these make me want to crawl into a hole.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 20:07:03 2018 No.18793258 mahjong but you need 3 different yaku to score out

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 20:18:39 2018 No.18793332 >>18793258 Chanta/Toitoi and 2 yakuhai too OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 20:26:17 2018 No.18793352 >>18787349 Pushed and got it but was scared shitless the whole time. Dealer had a kanchan but his waits were all in the other players' hands. >>18786078 Yeah I miscounted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 21:07:20 2018 No.18793543 >>18793332 I think pinfu tanyao riichi would be a little more common

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 22:13:50 2018 No.18793933 File: 174 KB, 717x679, é_é-é¢éÞûâÉØ_2018-04-09_23-07-23.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] After this one bs play, I wonder if the win rates for suji traps on a dora riichi tile are any different.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 23:46:48 2018 No.18794462 File: 586 KB, 1280x720, 142553578975.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Should I pick up mahjong again or is it just more suffering?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 9 23:52:33 2018 No.18794489 >>18794462 yes and yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 01:25:35 2018 No.18795041 >>18794462 Yes do it faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 01:51:25 2018 No.18795199 >>18794462 Hurry the fuck up and get back in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 01:52:38 2018 No.18795204 >>18785605 You should have chucked the non-red 5man earlier

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 02:27:00 2018 No.18795366 >>18795204 No, that would be a very bad play. 5m gave you the oppourtinity to call pon on 5m or 2s to get into tenpai for mangan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 07:35:27 2018 No.18796507 At what point should I give up on building a hand and start playing safe? My beginners luck is failing me and I keep dealing in

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 08:24:28 2018 No.18796701 1:0 >>18796507 If someone that seems to know how to play starts chii'ing and ponning - play a little cautiously. If someone enters riichi - play very cautiously. t. Lao Zu

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 08:57:23 2018 No.18796848

>>18796507
All of this is assuming a relatively even point distribution and that the round is not S4.
>Against riichi
If you are in tenpai and have either a good wait or a high scoring hand push.
If you are in tenpai and have a bad wait AND low scoring hand fold.
If you are in isshanten only push if your hand is relatively fast AND high scoring, or not so fast but very high scoring (at least haneman)
If you are below isshanten you should almost always fold unless your hand is a true monster AND looks fast.

>Against closed hands without riichi
You can almost always push. Only fold if it's late in the hand (like 5 or less discards) and you see no realistic opportunity to get to tenpai. Or if there's a good reason to assume someone hides a monster hand (e.g.) not a single dragon has been played when you're at the last row of discards.

>Against open hands
This is the most difficult situation. You need to assess both the potential value of your opponents hand and his likelihood he is in tenpai (very rarely is there a point in defending against a non-tenpai hand). Generally speaking you should not be too cautious against open hands. I feel like this a common mistake among beginners. Since you don't know if you're opponent is in tenpai if you are in tenpai yourself, or even isshanten, you can usually push.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 09:26:04 2018 No.18796989 >>18796848 Ｉ generally only get wary of open hands if they include some dora already, so if they're at least mangan like >>18785605. If you don't happen to have one rivaling that and you don't need to win over him, fold.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 10:38:14 2018 No.18797409 >>18794462 It's still bullshit and suffering senpai, I lost a fuckton of rate today, think I'll take a break again.

Anonymous Tue Apr 10 10:52:08 2018 No.18797485

>>18796989
I can mostly agree with this. Just looking at the han points you already see in open melds can be dangerous, though. Keep an eye out for your opponent's hand's potential. An apparent manzu honitsu hand is dangerous if 8m is the dora and non of them is yet visible. You can still push against this if you have good hand in tenapi or even isshanten but otherwise you'd better fold.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 11:09:57 2018 No.18797608 >>18789643 Same thing happened to me just now except I riichi'd. 2sou too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 14:26:55 2018 No.18798858 File: 69 KB, 463x395, 1442344727032.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Call riichi 4 times during a game >deal into an oikake riichi 4 times

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 18:42:49 2018 No.18799949 File: 88 KB, 1054x310, Shit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Things were going so well. And then boom. Sucks having an addictive personality sometimes. But to increase my mahjong power levels, it is necessary to survive this shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:06:53 2018 No.18801326 How do I stop tilting 12 games and I haven't won one

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:14:45 2018 No.18801371 >>18801326 Worry about long-term averages, and don't be sad about getting 2nd.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:21:02 2018 No.18801408 >>18785605 It's not mangan, it's only 4han20fu i.e. 5200pts. With that in mind I'd probably defend against a fucking double ton, dora 4 dealer haneman (at least) and discard 7s.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:38:24 2018 No.18801474 >>18801408 That's tanyao with three dora for 7700, which is basically mangan. 20 fu is only for menzen pinfu tsumo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 10 23:39:33 2018 No.18801478 >>18801474 You're right

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 01:17:05 2018 No.18801902 >>18801326 Try harder

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 04:43:09 2018 No.18802517 Waiting warmly 1:0

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 06:41:59 2018 No.18802850 >>18799949 I feel you bro. Fell from 1931 to 1898 R yesterday alone. Where can I view that list by the way?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 08:05:49 2018 No.18803248 >>18799949 how the fuck do you play that you can get 1900 rating

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 10:54:47 2018 No.18804042 >>18802850 https://nodocchi.moe/tenhoulog/ This is probably the most advanced stat site for Tenhou right now, unless there is something better.

Anonymous Wed Apr 11 13:48:42 2018 No.18805235

>>18803248
Not that guy, but it's really not so hard. I only read the Daina Chaiba book, memorized wait patters from here http://arcturus.su/wiki/Machi and some of the more common ones from here http://arcturus.su/wiki/Complex_waits and the rest ist practice.

Just literally play by the book first, it's very good and can get you quite far, maybe to 1800 or so. Then experience will push you further. Reading some osamuko articles also never hurts.

And most importantly think about what you're doing! This may seem trivial but I see so many bad choices on tenhou everyday that a player of that level could've certainly prevented by just thinking a bit more instead of chosing a discard after 1 sec.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 13:56:24 2018 No.18805295 >>18804042 Thanks, that's really cool. It doesn't show my R, though. Is that because I'm below 4dan or can I check an option somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 16:14:09 2018 No.18806040 File: 677 KB, 726x662, 1509859401194.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] God I've been getting shit hands all day and then when I finally build a nice thick one, one of my opponents just hits a fucking 350 tsumo R E E E E E E E E E E E

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 16:26:33 2018 No.18806114 ippatsu shouldnt be a yaku

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 16:47:16 2018 No.18806211 >>18806114 Ippatsu is cool.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 17:28:07 2018 No.18806395 >>18806114 Ippatsu nashi. Some leagues do that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 17:48:26 2018 No.18806523 File: 39 KB, 500x500, aaa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the first place goes last in one yolo discard

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 18:49:17 2018 No.18806921 >>18806523 been there....

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 11 23:24:15 2018 No.18808581 File: 389 KB, 737x627, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Chii and go for tanyao or pass and go for pinfu or riichi?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 00:32:46 2018 No.18808831 >>18808581 Pass.

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 01:41:17 2018 No.18809067
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>>18808581
pass.
you can get to tenpai and riichi if you draw a 1,2,4man, 1pin, or 4,7sou
That's six possible draws! while not all will yield pinfu, it's still a decent early hand and even riichi nomi can be devastating when you have 3 akadora and the possibility of an ura!

opening your hand should only be done if you are ready to sacrifice points for speed. in this case, calling 4sou actually SLOWS and CHEAPENS your hand! sure you complete a meld, but in order to have tanyao you'll have to toss and replace the two 1pin which takes your isshanten (1 away) to 3away. someone else will win while you keep drawing useless terminals.

hope that made sense

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 06:18:18 2018 No.18810017 >>18809067 Only 2 away not 3

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 07:30:30 2018 No.18810232 >stuck in iishanten hell against 3 rookies >one quits and tsumos into everyone's riichi Fuck this rigged shit.

Anonymous Thu Apr 12 10:33:06 2018 No.18811037

>>18809067
>>18810017
Both wrong, you'd still be in isshanten. 1,2,3,4,5m to get in tenpai (though no yaku with 1m).

Passing is still better, though, since 2m is the only tile you can call and only 1 of them is left, so the closed hand still is faster.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 10:43:34 2018 No.18811108 >>18811037 don't split hairs, in this context a no yaku ishanten when you're actively gunning for tanyao is he same as being 2 away.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 10:55:54 2018 No.18811195 >>18811108 >a no yaku ishanten Did you even read my post? It's only no yaku on a draw of 1m. 2345m give isshanten for tanyao.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 12:20:16 2018 No.18811639 >>18811195 *give tenpai for tanayo I mean.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 18:33:06 2018 No.18813785 >>18808581 Pass. It's so fucking early, and the hand shape is good. You waste this hand if you chii here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 18:34:49 2018 No.18813796 >>18806523 Going from 1st to 4th after S4. Yea, a loss like that is devastating.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 12 21:25:51 2018 No.18814664 File: 138 KB, 538x442, 1522693370871.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18813796 >resigned to third place in S4 because of kuso hand and second place's oya riichi >first place baiman tsumos >end up in second

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 01:57:32 2018 No.18815778 File: 469 KB, 739x627, Kokushi deny.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Posted for your amusement >ron not allowed here Get fucked.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 02:05:37 2018 No.18815808 >>18803248 It's a lot easier once you get into Tokujou since everyone is already 1800. Even playing slightly worse than average you should end up roughly around 1900.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 05:11:57 2018 No.18816337 >>18815778 Tenhou doesn't allow chankan on closed kans? Man that's cruel. Did you still win though?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 05:26:39 2018 No.18816384 >>18816337 No, but in some cases, it's allowed for kokushi only. Well, if that scene in Janki is also applicable in some parlors.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 06:01:45 2018 No.18816501 Man why doesnt the 3ds have any mahjong games worth playing. Ds obly has nintendo mahjong as well

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 06:23:55 2018 No.18816571 >that last hand i was channeling my inner washizu. just as planned. 04/13 \| 牌譜 \| 般南喰赤 \| http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018041318gm-0009-0000-183e950e&tw=0

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 07:24:20 2018 No.18816784 >>18816501 At last, for the first time in my long life I have found someone who truly knows my pain.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 07:30:30 2018 No.18816802 I LOVE LOSING HAHA I GOT RON'D TWICE OFF A WIND TILE IN ONE HAND IT'S SO FUNNY MAN

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 07:38:15 2018 No.18816827 >>18816802 >he can't read the flow of the game to tell when wind tiles are safe You'll always be a low-level player until you can do at least that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 13 16:46:41 2018 No.18817295 >>18816571 also i actually did that like twice in the game..

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 01:28:21 2018 No.18819110 >>18739782 >3:0

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 07:25:37 2018 No.18820530 >>18739782 >3rd place Lose 11 R >2nd place Gain 2 R Being overleveld in joukyuu is suffering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 07:49:19 2018 No.18820640 File: 557 KB, 867x799, garbagehand.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what would u do /jp/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 07:54:53 2018 No.18820661 >>18820640 [x] Pon Palace

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 07:55:37 2018 No.18820666 File: 340 KB, 780x568, 1523706937510.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18820661

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 07:56:39 2018 No.18820673 >>18820666 Nice toitoi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 08:20:20 2018 No.18820769 >>18820640 discard west and then east and then white?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 08:58:59 2018 No.18820973 >>18820640 Obviously east needs to leave first followed by west.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 09:28:54 2018 No.18821159 >>18820666 your part makes sense, 19 then 28 is easier to ankou/pon but those guys' don't, why would they drop that haku, ever

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 09:30:22 2018 No.18821171 tfw one minute of shame

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 09:32:58 2018 No.18821186 >fall asleep while playing >win for once what does it mean

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 17:06:18 2018 No.18823745 Is there a better feeling than making a comeback from last with 5000 points to first during your last dealer turn? Based chanta saved the day again right before kamicha tsumoed his winning tile.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 19:45:55 2018 No.18824997 File: 673 KB, 1277x736, Mahjong.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Bots and a retarded riichi but got my first yakuman and it was Kokushi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 20:11:27 2018 No.18825157 >>18824997 >1-way wait casual

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 20:18:44 2018 No.18825199 >>18825157 I'll just get a casual 13 way real quick. brb

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 21:11:37 2018 No.18825429 File: 159 KB, 768x432, 1514755332242.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018041509gm-0029-0000-8b3c0d64&tw=3 When a Joukyuu player asks you guys if there's a big difference in Tokujou, just show them replay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 14 23:24:35 2018 No.18825940 File: 78 KB, 848x510, IMG_20180414_202155.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >get a godly starting hand >not one useful draw or discard I could pon always finding new ways to make me suffer..

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 05:48:59 2018 No.18827135 >>18825429 The only impressive part is that San Ankou Chinitsu though

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 07:28:28 2018 No.18827487 File: 27 KB, 283x438, 1417372053435.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw feel from 1931 to 1795 in the last couple of days. This losing sreak is ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 08:35:45 2018 No.18827731 Is it acceptable to dump trash hand and stockpile safe tiles like terminals or wind tiles very early? Or should I push for tenpai in every situation?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 08:37:39 2018 No.18827741 >>18827731 Never tried that. Wouldn't you get tsumoed to death?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 08:44:53 2018 No.18827779 >>18827741 But at least it's not a ron.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 09:28:06 2018 No.18828046 >>18827487 If you're under 4dan and or under 500 played games it really doesn't matter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 09:28:43 2018 No.18828049 >>18827731 In some circumstances you might want to fold very early but it's usually better to try and get as close to tenpai as you can before considering either folding or going for a cheap and quick hand.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 09:48:44 2018 No.18828137 >>18828049 What if it's a double riichi?

Anonymous Sun Apr 15 10:05:47 2018 No.18828230

>>18828046
There is absolutely no difference anymore after 400 games. Also because the point factor decreases linearily the biggest difference is between 300 and 400 games. You get twice as many points at 300 than at 400 games, which is why being successful is especially important in this range, otherwise it will take forever to climb up at 400+ games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 15 10:09:09 2018 No.18828252 >>18828137 Well then it's very difficult to defend to begin with because their wait could be anything. But yeah, after it becomes clearer what the safe tiles are then it's best to fold unless your hand is something special.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 00:08:42 2018 No.18832619 >>18828046 >>18828230 Is there an article somewhere that explains how R in tenhou works?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 01:58:55 2018 No.18832952 File: 79 KB, 800x508, IMG_20180415_225658.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] holy fuck I just got a double yakuman now that my luck has been fully used up, any good rituals on how to restore it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 02:01:28 2018 No.18832969 >>18739957 Kaiji is essentially a genius when it comes to game theory.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 02:27:53 2018 No.18833058 >>18832952 Deal into another double yakuman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 05:02:01 2018 No.18833485 >>18832619 http://arcturus.su/tenhou/rate.txt

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 07:42:18 2018 No.18834069 >>18833485 so when i approach 400 games and am still 1600 i should make a new account?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 07:52:22 2018 No.18834097 >>18834069 If you're 4d, sure. If not, then don't bother.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 09:07:12 2018 No.18834339 File: 13 KB, 300x480, 1523253970073.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is my hand stuck in 1-shanten forever while shimocha riichis before turn 5 for four turns straight? How do I appease the mahjong gods?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 09:33:05 2018 No.18834448 >>18834339 Kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 11:10:21 2018 No.18834903 >>18834069 Well this is a lottery game after all. Some players roll high, most roll low.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 12:24:25 2018 No.18835317 >>18834069 Yes. >>18834903 Only scrubs think that. If you're half-decent you can steamroll joukyuu and below consistently over a course of 50 games or less.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 13:03:25 2018 No.18835545 So if I hit R1800, 4-dan and 400 games all at the same time, is it still better to make a new account?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 13:38:27 2018 No.18835724 >>18835545 It is always better to make new account unless you are tenhoui after at most 30 games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 14:10:23 2018 No.18835901 File: 141 KB, 1080x1920, Da6lh-tW4Aoy3wX.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wanted to believe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 20:55:03 2018 No.18838256 >>18808581 Tanyao is waaay too far, you have to discard a pair for that while not drawing 1m too. Calling is supposed to (mainly) speed up your hand. You also lose riichi and pinfu by calling. That's a haneman on tsumo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 16 21:17:08 2018 No.18838390 >>18835901 >>18825940 Is mobile app rigged?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 02:13:57 2018 No.18839773 >>18835901 Wait, that's a fuckin' haipai?!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 02:14:59 2018 No.18839780 >>18834069 No, because your new account will produce the same results. Develop the skills to climb out of that first.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 02:17:47 2018 No.18839794 >>18832952 http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2018041614gm-0089-0000-eba4351d&tw=3&ts=2 Very efficient and effective. Good job.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 02:26:11 2018 No.18839825 >>18839794 mostly luck that someone was dumb enough to toss me a live Dora hatsu, followed by ton, and then drawing one of the only two remaining shaa (pei was dead) very quickly

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 03:19:15 2018 No.18839945 how do you get aware of what you shouldn't discard to help your enemies everytime I try to discard thoughtfully I seem to do worse than when I just don't care am I retarded?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 03:19:59 2018 No.18839946 >>18838390 >>18839773 Of course I tried to suuankou but at the end I couldn't not even make a lame ton + toitoi.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 03:42:50 2018 No.18839990

>>18839945
>how do you get aware of what you shouldn't discard to help your enemies
You don't. You only need to care about getting ronned. You can just ignore the possibility of someone calling pon/chi/kan 99% of the time. If you still want to for some reason you can do it the same way you defend against ron: Suji, Kabe, one chance tiles, yaku tiles etc.

Anonymous Tue Apr 17 04:01:04 2018 No.18840046

>>18839945
If someone chii or pon your shit, then so be it. Although, it gets more obvious in cases showing honitsu / chinitsu. Then you don't feed that particular suit. Otherwise, that shit you do not have to bother too much.

>>18839990
Because this is more important.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 05:04:13 2018 No.18840204 >>18839990 >>18840046 alright I'll study those then, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 19:37:16 2018 No.18843945 File: 383 KB, 736x629, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You just kanned and got this. Would you riichi?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 19:54:22 2018 No.18844033 >>18843945 Yeah why not? I don't see the hand getting much better and clearly if I kanned, I'm looking for a win so there's no need to defend

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 17 21:50:39 2018 No.18844613 >>18843945 not until the wait got better

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 01:04:23 2018 No.18845645 >>18843945 If nothing else you're guaranteed to get the noten bonus and another turn as dealer. No one's dumb enough to push against a 4 dora dealer riichi.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 02:31:58 2018 No.18845919

>>18843945
Normally I don't like waiting to update waits but in this case I would. Discard 3m and stay dama.

You'd have only 2 winning tiles left which look very dangerous, so there's a good chance you would never get them. On the other hand there are many options to directly improve the wait if you discard 3m: 6m45678s.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 04:56:45 2018 No.18846266 >2:0

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 04:59:31 2018 No.18846275 >>18846266 >3:0

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 13:28:36 2018 No.18848385 I cannot play Mahjong until I was my dishes, and I don't want to do that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 13:32:52 2018 No.18848403 So chink game mahjong is acceptable to discuss on /jp/, but the go thread gets deleted. Nice to know!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 13:47:09 2018 No.18848468 >>18848403 Riichi Mahjong is japanese, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 13:55:11 2018 No.18848517 >>18848403 Come play mahjong, it's fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 13:55:22 2018 No.18848519 >>18848468 Go is also japanese game so why was it deleted? too difficult for the brainlet janitor?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 14:00:26 2018 No.18848549 >>18848519 I believe >>>/qa/ board is the best place to call them faggots

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 14:05:09 2018 No.18848575 >>18848519 dunno why it got deleted, sounds like go has a place here. but why get mad at us?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 14:12:48 2018 No.18848608 >>18848575 not getting mad at you all, just questioning the moderation on here. thanks for your polite and civil responses.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 14:17:04 2018 No.18848625

>Number of riichi calls by me in the last 5 games = 11
Number of times I won those hands: 1
Number of times I dealt into an oikake riichi: 5
Number of times I dealt into another non oikake riichi hand: 2

Convince me that this shit is not rigged as hell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 14:19:50 2018 No.18848643 >>18848625 Also bonus point for my last game: Call riichi. Dealer does oikake riichi immediately. Deal in with a read 5 and ippatsu.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 14:25:39 2018 No.18848660

>>18848625
I know, it sucks and I've been there.

use this as a learning opportunity: not all riichi opportunities should be taken. sometimes the wait is bad, the hand isn't worth it, the circumstances are too dangerous, or being dama still gives you a big win on top of being stealthy. resist that riichi button!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 15:05:17 2018 No.18848839 >>18848660 i have so much trouble figuring out waits to get into tenpai with even semi complex shapes like 44456 or something, like if i draw a 3 i discard a 4?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 15:12:48 2018 No.18848874 >>18848839 this abysmal garbage helps training wait math http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/bamboo/bamboo.html

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 15:22:49 2018 No.18848894 >>18848874 >abysmal garbage yeah its not working for me. just a a black screen

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 15:35:12 2018 No.18848935 >>18848894 Yeah your ad blocker and/or browser itself kills any flash activity it looks like. You could whitelist the thing, install flash component for browser if it misses it (adobe flash) or open it with IE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 15:48:08 2018 No.18848971 File: 98 KB, 806x489, mahjong.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18848874 what does it want me to do?

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 15:58:51 2018 No.18849022
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>>18848874
can anyone explain what your supposed to do in these steps and what the translated choices are?
i feel like if i can get a grip on this i would spend a ton of time on it to get better.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 16:08:07 2018 No.18849049

Just watched a match between R2000+ players on Tenhou.
There's no way they achieve these hand that fast only relying on tile proficiency, right ?
Dude get riichi pinfu tanyao sanchoku in turn 8 with a garbage haipai while I get a godlike haipai and stay in iishanten hell until draw.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 16:09:21 2018 No.18849056 >>18849049 Put replay link and give me a laugh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 16:14:01 2018 No.18849079 >>18849056 I only play as a NoName because I suck and can't face my rates.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 16:43:32 2018 No.18849182 >>18849022 The game penalizes you if you ron/riichi/tsumo when you're not tenpai. ロン : ron リ―チ : riichi ツモ : tsumo カン : kan

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 16:49:49 2018 No.18849211 >>18849182 and it will make me lose if i discard the wrong tile? or only if i discard a til when i can sumo ?

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 17:09:23 2018 No.18849299
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>>18849211
You'll lose if you discard your tsumo tile (round-long furiten penalty), because there's no time or resources to change the wait, unless you manage to do that. You can miss the ron tile, that is timed furiten from your draw till your next draw, but you don't really have time to do that. Just declaring win with an illegal (noten) hand is chombo penalty. All the normal rules but with one suit.

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 17:50:11 2018 No.18849501

>>18849049
Is it so hard to believe that people with high rankings are there because they tend to have good luck?

Statistics says it's "massively unlikely" that it's based on luck alone, but by definition SOMEBODY has to get good luck in any given game. All it takes is for one person to have above-average luck in the games where their skill can't save them and they'll get a higher ranking.

No, they're not R2000+ because of good luck alone, but the gap between your luck and theirs could easily be what's making up 80% of the difference between you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 18:07:47 2018 No.18849573 >>18849501 no they just play better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 18:11:17 2018 No.18849591 >>18849573 no that's dumb

Anonymous Wed Apr 18 21:17:37 2018 No.18850575
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>>18849573
>avoid dealing into anyone's hands the entire game
>toimen dealing into everyone and their mother
>suddenly makes up for the point difference in the last round and wins as oya with double reachs and haneman tsumos all over the place
>they play better

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 18 21:23:13 2018 No.18850612 >>18849049 There was one Tenhoui game where I swear there were 5 of the 2 sou on the table. Rigged I tell you. Or just a connection glitch. I was booted and needed to log in again right after.

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 00:04:17 2018 No.18851385

>>18850575
And I swear it always happens when you're having decent luck
>dealer has 3 sets of honors showing, one is his seat wind
>the LEAST you have to be afraid of is basically a fucking baiman
>i've got a nice little iipeikou dora 2, went into riichi early on, feeling good until mr. monster opens up fast
>dumbass mcgee in last discards a wind that hasn't been discarded all game
>lmao yakuman

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 00:45:18 2018 No.18851501 1:0 @here akanashi

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 01:53:07 2018 No.18851662
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I finally made it to 4th dan lads...

took me a long time compared to other players here, and my R isn't going to allow me access to tokujo anytime soon... but I feel like I've accomplished a personal goal and I proved to myself that I am not a complete shitter and that I CAN succeed at this!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 03:42:04 2018 No.18851919 >>18851662 Time to make a new account and start all over again.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 04:20:17 2018 No.18852027 >>18850575 now both play thousand games

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 04:21:50 2018 No.18852029 >>18849299 so this game is only usefull for quickly seeing how to get to tenpai? it could leave me with some bad habits because my main problem is improving my isshitan and tenpa waits

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 05:22:49 2018 No.18852133 File: 86 KB, 855x684, mahjong.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] noob here, I know it's no big deal since it's against bots but if this was a real game what would you guys do, would you take the 5 or wait for a possible sanshoku doujun?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 06:22:04 2018 No.18852292 >>18852133 Discard it and you're furiten. You also are the dealer and 3rd soooo... I would take it even if it doesn't worth a lot

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 07:11:56 2018 No.18852464 >>18852133 Under pretty much all circumstances you just take what you get

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 11:03:01 2018 No.18853588

>>18849573
Lol wut? game is totally RNG based. All accounts have different RNG and the divergence on the stats (1st/4th) is mostly noticeable after 2000 games. nerds should figure this out by now.

Throw me any names with 2000+ games and I'll do a quick stat inspection whether this player has good or bad rng.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 11:04:46 2018 No.18853592 >>18853588 nerds would know that the better player will get a higher rating if he plays long enough

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 11:43:24 2018 No.18853750

>>18853592
Better to make a new account to roll for better stats.

No one will ever get better regardless if the account rolled a sustained 25%+ 4th. Any accounts with that stat should be trashed.

You are just a simple trash that knows nothing about the laws of RNG.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 19 11:47:59 2018 No.18853772 >>18853750 the laws of RNG are tied with the laws of efficiency. you try to negate as much of the RNG through efficiency. even if thats only 0.1% over dozens of games. how the fuck do you think poker players can actually be good?

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 12:40:10 2018 No.18854013

Luck doesn't mean godly starting hands only, everyone can try to gather their spoonfed starting hand, but what about those times when rng decides to considerably change your hand for better? How would you catch onto what is happening with different levels of observance and math? Differently for sure. I look at my discard pond and my pond has a better hand than me. People look at my pond and understand I'm mostly out for this round.
t.newfag

Anonymous Thu Apr 19 12:47:12 2018 No.18854054

>>18853772
Missing the point. You can't improve stats determined by RNG. You are stuck with it until you played the amount determined (10000+ garms minimum). You will get a new roll for better or worse

Poker has a bluff element that can play around RNG which is why it's important to have a high bluff rate to be able to win games regardless of bad RNG. Can't do that on Tenhou. Bad comparison.

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