/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

The new Fate/Stay Night novel that's coming out is going to be about Archer's war. Illya x Archer was what happened in Archers timeline.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

Why do you lie about something awesome?

[Anonymous No.]

Sword dancer end?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1903671
It could happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1903704
It won't though

[Anonymous No.]

>>1903711
What is the new novel about?

[Anonymous No.]

Archer x Illya was what happened. Nasu agreed, don't bother him about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Links to this news or it didn't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

Any news on that Grail War novels by the writer of Baccano?

[Anonymous No.]

I chopped off my own arm for this guy, geeze. I come back to change the past and every time I get dismembered in some shape or form. From Berserker or Gilgamesh or Caster of my Master putting herself in impossible odds and I have to sacrifice myself to save her . . .

Now I'm chopping off my own arm to insure everyone else's survival.

Well, if I'm lucky he'll trace with it and continue to deteriorate.

So, in a round about way I might get my paradox . . .

But still, I'm chopping off my goddamn arm for my retarted younger self.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904085
Illya x Archer are going to be the main pairing there.

[Anonymous No.]

I really don't get why anyone would ship Archer/Rin when this alternative exists. Come on, now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904093
This is very silly. Archer didn't cut off his own arm, he was going to fade/die soon anyway, not giving Shirou the arm would be just as direct as letting Shirou kill himself with it and thus just as likely of creating the paradox, the version of Archer that gave up his arm wasn't active long enough to decide it would be fun to kill Shirou, etc. There's just so much wrong with this it's not even funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904104
Because this alternative exists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904104
Because it's creepy and Archer and Rin are Tsundere for each other.

>>1904112

I think they were going for the lols with that one.

Archer had decided NOT to kill Shirou because Shirou was already on the path of putting Sakura before everyone else. He talks to Shirou about it, Shirou doesn't outright answer his question but it's obvious, so Archer says he'll save the vendetta for another time. Then he warns Shirou he's going to pay for his sins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904129
>it's creepy
Nothing creepy about Archer/Rin, no sir!
except in UBW

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904129
You know it in your heart that Archer and Illya is the hottest pairing there is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904141
Dude, there is something creepy about every couple in FSN.

Saber was a futa.
Archer has issues.
Rin has issues.
Shirou's dumb.
Sakura's eaten by worms.
Shinji is a rapist.
Gil has the Grail Taint.
Caster molests little girls.

The only who isn't fucked up is Lancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904129
>Because it's creepy

I don't think /jp/ is the board for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904145
Lancer kinda has things aswell with the curse that makes females fall for him, except the ones he actually likes.

Mentioned somewhere in F-Zero

[博麗 霊夢 !1rAyMooPLc No.]

>>1904145
>The only who isn't fucked up is Lancer.

That may be so but Lancer gets fucked up in every route by someone/something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904156
So is that referring to F/z Lancer, or F/sn Lancer?

[Anonymous No.]

Archer x Rin doesn't work.

In UBW Shirou nearly breaks her just by fucking her.
Archer has like 3 feet on Shirou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904164
Not to mention Rin isn't really into guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904159
Well they are both the same person summoned but at a earlier time.

That said how the hell did Kotomine summon lancer twice, considering they are so diffrent.

[insanezero !VUNofZD8jM No.]

>>1904168
>how the hell did Kotomine summon lancer twice

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904168
What.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904168

No they aren't.

F/Z Lancer is Diarmuid Ua Duibhne, F/SN Lancer is Cú Chulainn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904164
Well, I'd assume since Archer's older he knows what to do with sex and ignore Rin's prompt of, "I'll be okay, just jam it in."

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904167

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904168
WTF are you talking about? Fate/Zero Lancer was different from Fate/Stay Lancer

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904179

>I'd assume since Archer's older he knows what to do with sex

Shirou is still Shirou, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904168
Kotomine didn't even summon Lancer once, in Fate/Zero he was the servant of Waver's teacher, in FSN Kotomine actually took him from his original master: Bazett.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904189
F/Z Lancer lost one of his lances and donned blue spandex to hide his shame, BELIEVE IT!

[Anonymous No.]

I get confused, in the iteration where shirou becomes archer, was archer still a servant?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904205

cool story bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904164
>get a hold of yourself
Goddammit, I snickered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904217
I'd say no because if he would have been then that Shirou would have never became Archer. Shirou meeting Archer and what he gains from the Servant keeps him from going down the wrong path to create EMIYA.

[Anonymous No.]

Enough about Lancer. Let's go back to Illya and her sexual relations with Archer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904252
Lucky loli. But she only lived one year after the Grail War . . . Do you really think they did the deed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904235
Only in HF nad maybe in UBW. In Fate Shirou does become Archer (Mainly because he doesnt know who Archer is in that route).

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904335
Of course. Archers path is the Illya route.

[Anonymous No.]

Illya has daddy issues and a really fucked up moral compass for a magus. Her affection for Shirou sometimes borders on incestuous.

Sakura craves sex and uses Shirou to satiate that need. But if it came down to it, she wouldn't even protest if Rin suddenly lost her mind and tried to fuck her. Plus mammoth guilt issues and cowardice.

Saber has an hero complex, an no sense of sexual identity--she's pure in the areas she SHOULDN'T be, which is why Caster picked on her.

Shirou has no sense of self-preservation and is a moron through and through. He's also a self-shaming sexual beast with little to no consideration for his partner(s).

Rin is the most overcompensating virgin ever witness in a text medium, and is possibly terrified to admit, despite her deep love of Shirou, that she leans more to girls than boys. She's also got massive ego problems, is gullible, and lol her family.

Shinji has inferiority issues up the wazoo, leading to a sense of self-entitlement and aggressive bully feelings he usually lets out the most on Sakura (and seeing as her body DOES crave sexual attention, she's hurt all the more for this abuse). He's no leader, and his family's magic is a joke and a blight.

Souichirou also lacks self-preservation, and is a sociopath unlike no other.

Kotomine is the king of the Nasuverse sociopaths, a league all his own in several bad areas. But goddamn his daughter is rapably hot.

Zouken is that piddly little nerd stalker, only with no moral compass, a gross, precise ego, a keen intellect, and the power to use all of those to no good cause.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904389

no one is perfect, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

Archer is a broken man, not even enough to be considered a full heroic spirit. The fact that the thought of self-destruction is his only drive speaks leagues of a touched and ill individual, hiding behind a mask of snappy comebacks and keen intellect.

Rider is a masochist with a general disdain for the everyday man. She had deeper and darker roots, but tries (poorly, when she DOES try) to keep them in check.

Caster is all kinds of screwed, to a point of personality dysfunctions. There is a girl inside of her wanting nothing more than to be held and loved, but it can't get past the brutal and relentless killer that holds no value to life, and the crying woman who tries to seek peace and balance between the two. She's also a jealous person who would muddy and sully any who seem pure to her.

Lancer has a fucked over sense of pure justice (less entitlement) that's typically drowned out by his own black morals and insatiable bloodlust. Given the chance, he'd have fought every Servant up front and brutally murdered anyone who dared to interfere.

Assassin is a broken narcissist. Who's sword technique is better than everyone's. Period. God that man kicked ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904389
>she wouldn't even protest if Rin suddenly lost her mind and tried to fuck her

[Anonymous No.]

True Assassin is Anonymous, given black power, Satan's Arm, and a false hope that he could ever become greater than the sum of his identity of anonymous. Little did he realize he was pissing in an ocean of piss.

Gilgamesh's biggest weakness is his biggest power--his ego. He's a rapist, an abuser, and a killer. His morals are broken, as he sees all things not equal to him as items of stock. He eats and rapes as he pleases. He kills for petty insults, and is self-destructive as he hates his own nature. And we were gyped of a Bad End where he rapes Saber. I for one cry tears of blood nightly for just that reason.

Berserker, ironically, is the most stable and sane of the entire violent cast of FSN. Even to his corruption due to Angra Maniyu, he remained true to his duty of wanting to protect his charge to his last breath. Fucking GAR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904454
I wish to be the mad warrior.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>1904454
Gilgamesh, even with the Grail making him a bit nuttier, was still a paragon of morals for the age in which he was a hero, at least as far as men of that time concerned themselves with.

He actually did believe in the concept of "law" and "justice," but it was always something that he himself decided and delivered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904454

>True Assassin is Anonymous, given black power, Satan's Arm, and a false hope that he could ever become greater than the sum of his identity of anonymous.

Holy Grail War #6, all Servants are Assassin, all Assassins are Hassan.

[حسن الصباح !qViqzs/8cU No.]

>>1904485
True Assassin was a tripfag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904469
We all do ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904494
Pretty much.

[Anonymous No.]

kotomine has a daughter?

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of light novels, has anyone uploaded better scans of the Fate/Zero Tribute Arts book?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904494
All servants are /m/ tripfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904555
this slut

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904555
Sure does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904555
Karen, she who does not know skirt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904574
>>1904573
>>1904572

Carenmind

[Anonymous No.]

But Illya dies so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904563

WANT QUALITY SCANS LIKE THE MOTHERFUCKING FIST OF THE NORTH STAR

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904582
But Archer is stuck in an endless cycle of despair so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904581
Agreed. Must have hig-res Army of Manlyness and more Maiya/Irisviel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904572
Supressing all the evils of the world in her ass.


....


So this is a Church thing. I see, now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904596
For some reason I can't stop laughing..

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904596
More like "Shirou" thinks Caren is hot so raep time begins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904611

who wouldn't?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904572

I wonder if Kotomine know how his daugther i sal lgrown up

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904615
Good point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904620
All grown up and getting fucked by the Grail possessing the adopted son of his hated enemy.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>1904620
Kotomine doesn't care about family. His regret when his wife died was that he didn't kill her himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904611
A traslation is needed for me to believe this.


Oh right, this is Shirou we are talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904646
Not really Shirou per se, but H/A "Shirou".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904654
Which is Avenger. Possessing Shirou and living his life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904661
Well It's never made clear if he's possesing Shirou or just assuming his role if I remember correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904665
Well, logically, it makes more sense for it to be Avenger possessing Shirou, due to the presence of everyone else during the time loop being authentic - it wouldn't make sense for Shirou to be the only one to drop off the face of the earth during the events that take place, let alone for Avenger to be able to perfectly assume the guise and role of Emiya Shirou without some means to have memorized or recorded every single thing about him that Shirou himself knew.

Essentially, HA-Shirou is too much like the actual Shirou to simply be Avenger acting alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904675
Well H/A is pretty confusing in some regards. Technically the real Shirou, could be off in London, where Rin was at the begining. So Avenger assuming his role which could explain a few scenes such as how Shirou forgets how to project until he goes and see's whoever it was he went to see before the Bridge Scene.

Of course until a full english patch comes out I'm just sort of speculating what happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904713
Hows Beast Lair going with that?
And on that same line, how are the guys at TWiki doing with Fate/Zero? I need me some King on King action.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904746
How about some King on King threeway action?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904746
If you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904750
Threeway? Im game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904750
I'd pay to see Seiba get roughly deflowered in both holes by those two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904746
Last I checked they were at ~30% of the script translated. So maybe within 2 years it will be out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1903677
If only, anon, if only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904778
Ugh, thats the same state it was last year, if I remember correctly.
Oh well at least we have doujins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904145
>Caster molests little girls.

So Caster is what /jp/ aspires to be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904805

Every time I see this the Dragon Ball Z theme starts up in my head.
God thats a catchy tune.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904809
It's not really worthwhile if they don't have anything to molest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904629
feels good man

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904596
first i didn't get it... but now, my god can't stop laughing

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904629
This should come as no surprise. She'll fuck pretty much anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904805
Can I get a source on doujin? Or is that just a pic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904920
Be Strong Archer-kun! It's translated on GakuGaku Animal land.

It is full of lols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904920
Google Gaku Gaku Animal Land.
Click on Fate
The image marks the doujin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904920
>Be Strong!! Archer-kun!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904572

Well damn that one fine daughter

[Anonymous No.]

>>1904713

Not really, if you think about it .... its a wish granted by the Holy Grail so it simply altered everything to suit the need of the wish.

[Anonymous No.]

Would anyone post a working link to "Despite Everything, He's My Master" and its sequel that are also listed on Gaku Gaku, but brings up a dead page error?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905286
The guy messed up on his coding. Just look at the top of the bar. Delete the link that's not Mediafire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905251
Could the Holy Grail really alter anything, though? According to Fate!Kotomine, all it can do is kill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905433

Blame Angry Manju for that.

The first 2 Grails probably were perfectly fine wish-granters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905567
It's really just a reservoir of magical energy, more than any single magus could possibly amass in their lifetime. In that sense, there are a fuckload of wishes it could grant, but you have to be the author of your own wish. Sakura had all that power, yet she nearly lost to Rin because of her lack of skill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905567
Useless evil, only good for his sex appeal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905635

Type-Moon Villainy in a fucking box.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>1905433
The original Grail was filled with colorless magical energy that could accomplish "miracles" by sheer force of power. It had enough energy to break through to Akasha itself.

The corrupted, Angry Manjew Grail was tainted with the addition that whatever wish you had would be twisted into something horrible in the expression of it, no matter what it was.

Kotomine desired that everything around him would vanish and he would be left alone. The Grail exploded into a huge fireball, after this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905399

Huh, didn't even notice that. I managed to get it from the TYPE-MOON board.

[Anonymous No.]

So we'll finally learn who the Archer of his time was?

Fucking FINALLY! That's been bugging me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905674
>whatever wish you had would be twisted into something horrible in the expression of it, no matter what it was.

So basically, winning the war is like winning Twisted Metal.

[Anonymous No.]

I LIKE WHERE THIS THREAD IS GOING

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[Anonymous No.]

>>1905703
You are the Archer of CG Emiya's timeline, Anonymous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905709
He'd make a great master in the Grail war.

He's evil enough and powerful enough that he'd compete and give everyone a run for there money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905723
...
but.

but i can't do anything Archer like.

I don't even have a Noble Phantasm!
How does this even happen!?

FUCK I'M GONA DIE!

[Anonymous No.]

THIS THREAD IS GOING PLACES

⌒｀)　┣¨┣¨┣¨ とﾉﾘo´ｩ｀ﾘ
　;;;⌒｀)　　　　　 二 /　　と）
;⌒｀)⌒｀)ニニニニ し'"（__）
　　　　　　　　　　//　　　　　行ったり来たり♪
.　　　　　　　　　//　　　　　　￣￣Ｖ￣￣￣￣
　 ノﾉハヽ☆　　//　　　　　　☆ﾉﾉハヽ
　 ﾘ´ｩ｀oﾘﾉ　//　┣¨┣¨┣¨ ﾉﾘo´ｩ｀ﾘつ
　 Ｏ　　　つ /　　　　　　 ニ と　　　_Ｏ
　Σ（_／⊃　ニニニニニニ （_/ ⌒
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　//
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　//　　 　だって止まらないで♪
.　　　　　　　　　　　　　//　　　　￣￣￣Ｖ￣￣￣￣￣
　　　　　　　　（(　　　//　　　　　　　 ☆

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905748
You're already dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905781
Oh well, atleast we can rest at ease that even if Anonymous fails at being a successful Servant, Shirou'll try to stick by his ideals and protect everyone.

Including Rin, lucky her.
Unlucky her servant though!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905723

I don't think Anonymous's reality marble would be unlimited blade works.

Reality Marbles are supposed to reflect an image of the soul, so...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905804
For me it'd be a giant explosion of atomic death.

seriously that's all that exists in my heart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905726
He already has the power to grant wishes, so I don't really see why he would want to fight.

Though the thought of Master Calypso with a Berserker Minion as a Servant is... interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905820

You should lower your cholesterol then, Anonymous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905804

Anonymous's Noble Phantasm is "sage".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905847
It's my secret weapon, Anonymous.

Let's me die gloriously, a death befeting a true hero.

If my master can't win, NO ONE WILL.

[Anonymous No.]

BEST END: Shirou is now Kotomine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905625

Its more then that, the Holy Grail was used to open the Greater Grail that was direct connection to the origin, the source of all things.

The amount of power it could drawn was infinite and so it pretty much could do anything.

>>1905674

Play HF again, its were its explained WHAT the Grail really does and WHAT exactly is inside it.

You are wrong because you are basing that on Fate and UBW that never really explains how it really its supposed to work.

[¦D No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905983

[Anonymous No.]

>>1906002
What happens if somehow all Servants and all masters die at the end of the grail war?

Like it's Double KO between Lancer and Saber, with Saber destroying Lancer with EXCALIBURRRRRR, but getting done in by Gay Bulge.

Does the Grail just stick around not doing anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1905983
Did somebody say Best End? Because I think I heard somebody say Best End.
>>1901996

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>1906020
The Grail is designed to eat ALL the servants to obtain the miracle of Akasha. The war is a lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1906034
MAN WHAT?

...FUCK!

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>1906035
Play HF.

It's all a lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1906034 The Grail is designed to eat ALL the energy from the copies of servants who were summoned into the war to obtain the miracle of Akasha. The war is a lie.

Fixed for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>1906107
>The Grail is designed to eat ALL the energy from the copies of servants who were summoned into the war to obtain the miracle of Akasha. The war is a lie.

to elaborate more the war is a lie because the whole war is just a trick to get the servants to kill each other so the grail ( Ilya in this case being the container ) can gather their souls as fuel for the great holy grail to perform the 3rd magic

[Anonymous No.]

Not souls, the servants are nothing but copies of the original (except Saber).

[Anonymous No.]

>>1906226
Then the magical energy (in this case, prana - which is essentially just lifeforce in itself) composed of their existance.is consumed, which might as well be the same as devouring a soul.

[Anonymous No.]

ANONYMOUS

Class: Berserker

Strength: D

Endurance: B-

Agility: E

Mana: D-

Luck: D+

Alignment: Chaotic Apathetic

Abilities:

Anonymous - This servant's name can never be known even when his noble phantasm is used.

Mana Creation : Through years of training, the servant replenishes his mana supplies at an astonishing speed, he is however inexperienced in mana transfer.

Independent Action EX+ : Allows the servant to be alone forever.

Google : Allows the servant to obtain information at an incredible speed.

Nerd Rage - Can take on Berserker abilities (all his stats become B or C) when presented with extreme amounts of fail.

Original Content - Can create an image of anything.

Hive mind - Can perform multiple tasks at the same time.

Sage - Servant uses its own anger to mentally and socially(?) hurt an another person.

tl;dr - Ignores all magics over three verses.

Noble Phantasm:

X Is Now A Meme
Rank: E to A
Type: ?

Similar to a Reality Marble. Turns any form of image "real." Image can be potentially reused infinite times with different variations of it and without using up any mana, but the power is completely random and can change at any time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1907905
Brilliant, though I do not understand what do you mean by "Chaotic Apathetic".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1907905
Promotions! - Casts a particularly provocative and law-breaking attack at the precise moment the opponent lets his/her guard down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1907905
Oh wow.

[None !Mystia3.V2 No.]

>>1907905
>Mana Creation : Through years of training, the servant replenishes his mana supplies at an astonishing speed, he is however inexperienced in mana transfer.

>tl;dr - Ignores all magics over three verses.
Superb.

[Anonymous No.]

Proxy - Rematerialize from total destruction. Possible even when the Master is killed. This power can be used infinite times. However, each successive use makes it exponentially harder to be cast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1907905
Image: A fuckoff huge dragon.

And then we make it a meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1907905
Dont forget

Ability:
SHITSTORM - At any time Anonymous can just decide to say "FUCK IT." and release a burst of mana on the scale of a class A+ Anti-Army noble phantasm, destroying much of the local area.

For when you absolutely positively do not want everyone else to have a GOOD END

[Anonymous No.]

>>1907905

But what weaknesses does Anon as a Servant have?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1907991
He is totally pulverized by moot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1906148

if the world knew the Grail War was completely fake, why did it let Saber go there? I thought the contract had Saber time travel to any place were she could obtain a 'Holy Grail' before dying and becoming a heroic spirit

[Anonymous No.]

>>1907991
Girls.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care who will be the lucky bastard to fuck her, just give me a Ilya route, dammit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1908083
It'll be Shinji raping Ilya.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1908088
>It'll be Kotomine raping Ilya
Fix'd

[Anonymous No.]

>>1907980
And!

Ultimate Technique: Punch em in the dick - Punches enemy in the dick. Only works on male servants.

Non-Fatal, but incredibly effective at disabling an opponent.

Gilgamesh is paticularly effected by this technique, as it is both painful to him physically, but also mentally, as it shatters his ego if someone sees him drop to his knees in pain.

Suggested use: When another servant is around, strike your current opponent with this ability, and then run for it and let the other servant deal with the downed foe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1908121
Just a couple knuckles below the buckle to make him buckle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1903661
Ilya dies, in every route, in every dimension, SHE DIES.
Stop deluding yourself Archer, you should've settled for Rin or Sakura instead of being a pedo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1908053

Because Saber wanted the Grail to wish for a better King to be selected to rule Avalon, that was the deal.

The Grail certainly could granted that wish (of course nothing says Arthuria was not the best choice for King making the whole wish pointless), besides its not like the deal that Archer did with the World was what he expected in the end.

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>>1908259
Why can't she just wish to alter the politics of the ruling court in Britain to accept the Queen as the sovereign ruler instead?

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>>1908264

Missing the point ... Arthuria wish was because she always doubted she was right choice for King, that is why she wanted to redo the selection.

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Speaking of the King of Britons..

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set fail

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>>1908272
sounds like she needs her guardian angel to come along and show her how much of a shit hole britain would of been without her.

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>>1908306
It's not about how good or bad she was, the point was tha she wished for something even better.

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>>1908149
Lies! Lies! She survives in the Tiger Dojo!

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>>1908684
man what a stupid bitch

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>>1908768
...Why?
Regardless if it could have been much worse, Britain did face many problems, and with nothing to really gain herself, she trades her very soul and existance hoping the country will be better off.

Naive, but not stupid.

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>>1908768
Not stupid. Just a stupidly low self-esteem.

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>>1908787
No. Her death resulted in the destruction of her kingdom. It's not stupid or naive to think that someone else might do a better job than you if the end result was destruction of your kingdom anyway.

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>>1908794
Oh, please. Saying that Saber doesn't have low self-esteem issues is like saying Sakura couldn't fit a thirteen year old's head into her vagina.

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>>1908803
...Well, she CAN'T.
But yeah, I get your point.

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King Arthur comes back to Britain to retake the throne from his bastard son. In the process destroying everything he ever loved and wanted to protect.

Is it too hard for you retards to understand?

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>>1908807
I'd put money on the fact that she can.

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>>1908811
You don't have any money.

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>>1908822
Sh-Shut up!

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>>1907972
Focus... and create the image!

DRAGON UTERUS IS NOW A MEME!

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>>1903661

Why would Archer who would still then be Shirou be summoned at all?

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>>1908810
Yeah but.

Has no one bothered to tell her that Britain recovered? What does she fucking want, Britain to still be an empire?

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>>1908861
Because the Grail summons future heroes too. It would be like the fate route except with Archer surviving.

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>>1908882
Code Geass takes place in a universe where Saber uses the grail to select a different king from her.

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>Illya x Archer was what happened in Archers timeline.

Not sure why, but I always assumed this was the case, even though I wasn't necessarily fond of the pairing. Maybe it's because she was the only main female that didn't get an arc (not counting Taiga).

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>>1909047
Wasn't it almost explicitly implied somewhere?

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>>1909118

Your as ruthless as ever Illya?

Although that could just be Shirou's memories.

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I don't get how an Illya x Archer pairing is possible, since she dies a year after the Holy Grail war. Also, it's mentioned in Fate/Zero that homunculus stop aging after a certain age and that Illya wasn't likely to get past the physical age of 11 appearance-wise. So basically, Archer was a lolicon?

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>>1909118
Not that I remember. His memories didn't really seem to say much in that regard, but if we can conclude that it wasn't Rin, Sakura, or Saber...

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>>1909118
In the Tiger Dojo, they mention that Ilya's route was cut due to time constraints, I believe.

They also mention that Ilya was supposed to have a different outfit every dojo, instead of always being in a buruma.

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>>1909203
Author of that post here. I misread the quote, but can't delete the post because it says my password was wrong. Way to fail, 4chan.

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>Archer was a lolicon?

no shit sherlock

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>>1909199
But we can't, first of all, and second, they were pretty explicit in UBW that he had driven away all who were close to him, even killing some of them.

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>>1909203
Of course Archer was a lolicon. How do you not get that? And besides it took less than 2 weeks for Shirou and the other girls to fall in love. Same thing for Illya.

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>>1909288
Well, Rin he'd admired for years, Sakura had been taking care of him for quite a while, and Saber risked her life for him (and vice-versa) constantly.

Two weeks is actually pretty long for love to develop, given the circumstances.

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>>1909274
In UBW it also states that the last of his family and lover died. Illya could be considered both.

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>>1909302
Same thing can happen with Illya.

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>>1909302
Not to mention seeing Saber's past in his dreams.

>>1909309
If anything, that line is against the Ilya=lover theory. Shirou has no family, so for 'the last of his family' to make sense, he'd need at least one kid; Ilya is never getting past the physical age of 11, so can't have kids.

Besides, about half the population of the world is women. Why assume Ilya is the one out of 3 billion that he picked, when at the best of times they only consider each other siblings?

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>>1909320
His family could just mean someone close to him and Kitsurugi. In this case it would be either Illya or Taiga.
Illya x Archer is canon. Look into your heart, you know it to be true.

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>>1909320
Ilya is the last of his family (sort of)
Ilya is Kiritsugu's daughter, Shirou is Kiritsugu's adopted son. That's easily enough to be considered family

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>>1909311
Except in her case, there's no memory connection, and she tries to kill him in every route.

I have no problem with the idea of an Ilya route, but speculation is kind of pointless; based on what knowledge we have about what actually happened, it's just about impossible, so to accept an Ilya route I'm going to need to get an actual Ilya route.

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>>1909330
...Eh, I've accepted more far-fetched fanon.

>>1909336
>Kiritsugu's daughter
....GOD DAMMIT HOLLOW ATARAXIA.
It's gotten to the point where if somebody says something that I don't know the source of, I just assume HA.

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It's also entirely possible that something happened to prolong Ilya's life past the one year after mark, at least in Archer's original timeline. In such a case, there's no reason to assume it's a lolita situation, and given that we don't really know how Archer's version worked out, the grail could certainly altered the epilogue quite a bit.

Again, I personally prefer the other pairings, but having Archer end up with the left over character makes some sense, especially considering that Ilya was originally supposed to get an arc.

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>>1909343

It's hinted at pretty strongly in Heaven's Feel that Ilya is Kirutsugu's daughter.

Actually... hinted is probably the wrong word. They did pretty much everything possible to tell you that Ilya was Kirutsugu's daughter without saying it outright. You'd have to be pretty dense not to get it, bro. Although I'm pretty sure it's only in Fate/Zero that it gets revealed that Ilya is Kirutsugu's biological daughter.

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>>1909351

Wasn't there something somewhere saying that Archer's greatest regret was not being able to save Ilya from her death a year after the Holy Grail War? To be honest I read that from the Type-Moon Wiki so I'm not sure where that came from.

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>>1909352
... I probably just forgot or didn't notice due to reading mainly between midnight and 5 AM. Brain doesn't work so well then.

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>>1909355
I'm not sure about that, would need sauce.

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>>1909353
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARYNgh6Y6G0

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>>1909362
Are you sure yet?

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>>1909337
>she tries to kill him in every route.

I pretty much agree with you on the other points, but there wasn't any resentment for that in any of the arcs on either of their parts.

In terms of connections... Ilya and Shirou are technical siblings, at least in the sense that they shared a 'father'... non-blood related siblings...

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>>1908882
>Has no one bothered to tell her that Britain recovered? What does she fucking want, Britain to still be an empire?

This is what I never understood. Even Iskander in Fate/Zero was smart enough to ask for a map when he was summoned to see the condition of his empire and the world as a whole.

I assume it's just a convenient plot hole.

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>>1909374
I'm getting there, I'm getting there.

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>>1909203
They also mentioned in the various routes that Gilgamesh was undefeatable, that Sakura could never return to normal, and that people die when they are killed.

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>>1909355
Archer could not Save Saber. Hurt, but moves on. Ilya died (whether due to her short lifespan or other reasons dunno) and that hurt a lot too.

Disregarding the whole family and lover issue, from this point on, there was noone to watch over Archer, this the only thing left is his ideal.

These are the only facts we know.
How exactly everything happened, what happened to the others (Sakura, Rin etc) till the long path to the hills of swords, where he lets go of the sword and crumbles down, UNKNOWN.

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>>1909388
The first was hyperbole, the second was before they knew Shirou could Breaker Rules, and the third is ALWAYS misquoted and pic related.

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>>1909381
It's not about whether it recovered.
The people of THAT era suffered in the end.
She wants THAT era to go smoothly.
Of course, that could mean that somehow in a snowball effect, Brittain gets nuked 800 years later, but she really believes that things would be better with a different ruler.

That's why everyone tells her is a naive and foolish wish that will only hurt her.

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>>1909381
When Iskander was summoned his first impulse was to conquer the world again. Saber is one of the few servants who came into the grail war with the intention of winning the grail. She made a pact with the world so that this could be accomplished. She doesn't care about the modern world, only the things she fucked up in her life.

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>>1909393
I'm just saying in a visual novel where the rules of physics, life and death, and reality itself dont apply, a bullshit reason for why Ilya survived her own route isn't that far fetched.

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>>1909400
That's a bit selfish of her, but I suppose that's what her route was all about.

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>>1909408
Yes, she realizes how absurd and selfish changing the past was in Fate and UBW.

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>>1909401
Of course not; I think I was just overreacting to the 'die when they are killed' misquote.

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>>1909408
Enter immortal SHirou quote :
"Stupid Saber. If she wants that Grail so much, then she can marry it".

Dude, first time to botch a date?

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>>1909412
Well, she realizes that in all the routes; it's just a lot less obvious in HF.

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>>1905674
Oh my god, so does that mean whatever I wish for it will become the opposite? Is that why everyone was still alive after Kotomine's wish? Man, I wish I could have that grail. Wish for everyone to be assholes and then BAM everyone will be nice!

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>>1909429
She realized it in HF?

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>>1909429
She doesn't really have much time in HF to contemplate on thta ;_;

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Archer actually might have been a lolicon, considering that Type Moon has never bothered avoiding that theme before, and... well, considering that she was going to have an arc before, that means that Shirou is pretty much a confirmed one himself, which by association means that his future self is likely capable.

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>>1909429
She doesn't get anything out of HF. It is a bad end for her all around and it was meant to be; not everything can be saved.

She probably knows how fucked up the Fuyuki grail is afterward, but her pact with the world allows her to pursue anything that can be called the holy grail.

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>>1909440
Oh, wait, fuck. Forgot that this didn't actually happen, and my mind kinda fused the end of HF with the end of UBW.
...Somebody needs to write that as a route and hack it into the game.

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Is the thread not bumping anymore? Because I think the thread might be not bumping.

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I always thought this was truly the case. Archer seemed to care about Ilya on a higher degree than Saber (and possibly even Rin, though Rin was his master and Ilya an opposing master). So to me its obvious he had at least more contact with Ilya than Shirou did in UBW or Fate.

Along with that, Archer said he knew what the shadow was, so we can also assume it was time where Sakura became the black grail. I always assumed that the Ilya route was initially cut off of HF where Shirou decides to either pursue his ideal or protect Sakura. Seeing as how that scene is with Ilya, and if you get the bad end it simply says shirou became a super hero.

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>>1909464
Was good while it lasted

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>>1909466
Archer implied that the shadow was something that all 'Guardians' might be familiar with.

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>>1909466
Well, he is a Counter Guardin and the Shadow is a manifestation of evil, so that's not 100% 'Sakura berserk route', but yeah, it's possible.

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>>1909473
Since it's all the evil that humans commit, it's possible that it is something that counter guardians face off every time they are summoned. Since it is their nature to clean up after humans make a huge mess of things.

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>>1908284
WAIT! ...was someone asking for the King of the Britons?