DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1935

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.

Read the Guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:
http://djtguide.neocities.org/
Check the Cornucopia of Resources before asking where to download X or Y:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html
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first for matatt

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Recommend me some 音楽 my dudes

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>>19051464
Music does not help your Japanese but here is some music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ak7nQEEYw

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>>19051499
Thanks for the heads up but I'm aware. I just realized I hardly know much about Japanese music, even OSTs.

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I'm just starting out, can i put off learning katakana for later, because honestly it doesn't seem that important.

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>>19051523
I asked the same and they told me I should just learn it since it'll only take a few days at most.

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>>19051523
I'm just starting out learning English, can i put off learning capital letters for later, because honestly it doesn't seem that important.

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Any success stories from /djt/ anons?
I was active here (on /a/ actually) around the time I was preparing for JLPT N2. Today I am at JLPT N1 + 1 year, I visited Japan twice for 5 weeks since then and it's been a lot of fun. I don't regret spending this much time learning Japanese.

>>19051464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BaaMiTwzsU

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>>19051422
Put "Read the guide before asking questions." back into the OP next time.

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>>19051606
And that other anon was claiming that katakana isn't important

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>>19051464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QONONWQjk2E

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What are your opinions on forcing yourself to read something above your level in an attempt to force yourself to get used to reading at that level? I'm not talking like just a tiny leap in difficulty, i'm talking about going from, for example, reading Harry Potter to reading Ulysses or Paradise Lost, something along those lines, but with whatever Japanese equivalent you want to make up

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>>19051734
Sounds like it'd work in English.

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>>19051734
Is this a troll or a genuine question? Cause I feel like it's asked literally every single thread.

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>>19051734
I think it's good to constantly challenge yourself, but it seems a bit pointless if you need to look up 20 words per page or it just reads like gibberish. See: http://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2016/08/25/what-80-comprehension-feels-like

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>>19051734
It's stupid. You waste a lot of time on looking for the words instead of reading and still can't grasp what you're reading. Moreover, it doesn't really get easier "on that level" because
a vocabulary is extremely wide.

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>>19051734
I went from reading yuyushiki to reading a book by murakami to reading japanese message boards (which was the most difficult). Worked for me.

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Since old thread is archived.

What app are you using for learning kanji by writing. Obenkyo got some weird bug for me, and I can't find something better.

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>>19051901
>reading japanese message boards (which was the most difficult).
Is this from reddit again?

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>>19051926
Nobody here cares about production

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>>19051926
The pen and paper app is great.

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>>19051734
In an ideal scenario this would probably be the fastest way to learn it. The problem is that the vast majority of people could not stay motivated enough to autistically refer to a dictionary for every word for very long. This is why the 80/20 or 90/10 rule in terms of words you do and don't understand in a given text is recommended to most people. You understand enough to enjoy what you're doing, and can infer the meaning of unknown words based on the context.

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>>19051926
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/8keuxb/alternative_to_obenkyo_kanji_writing/
How about you stay in your thread?

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>>19051936
What do you mean?
>>19051938
Yeah, well, that's what I was thinking of doing but it can be a pain in transport.

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is Remembering the Kanji really the best? I noticed it does not show how to pronounce the kanji... so if I really do go through the entire book(s) I'll only know how to identify the kanji and what they mean, but not know how to speak it. Which is kind of required if I want to be fluent.

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>>19051929
You don't seem worth anyone's time, but japanese internet culture is much harder to grasp than anything else I've come across.

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>>19051926
>using apps other then anki
>ever
>>>/r/learnjapanese
To learn writing, just fucking write.

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>>19051953
Least intelligent comment of all time. Not even lowercase-kun can rival your stupidity.

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>>19051950
It's good at the thing it says it is for. It is terrible at everything else, because it isn't for that. It does not teach you Japanese.

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>>19051950
The Anki deck has pronunciations, examples and link to the Jisho page for each kanji if you want to get a general idea. Great addition to the book.

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>>19051950
Keep in mind there is a difference between what individual Kanji "mean", and what Kanji in the context of a word/sentence "mean". In other words, learn RTK and you will have virtually 0 vocab.

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>>19051953
What is it that's so hard to understand?

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Jesus fucking christ, has a thread ever devolved into absolute garbage faster than this one? Is this all 1 person posting reddit shit and replying to themselves?

Kys my man

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>>19051980
>>19051969
so would you recommend something like an Anki deck that includes the pronunciations with example contexts, then?

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>>19051994
Is this from reddit again?

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>>19051943
what about when you're just starting though, at that point nearly everything is incomprehensible. should you still just read with a dictionary? (after tae kim of course.)

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>>19051994
Name 4 recent posts that were from reddit.

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>>19051983
It's not hard after browsing them for a year, but at first all the different lingo and such really confused me.

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>>19051943
i'm fine with that honestly, I can stay intrigued in a VN even if i'm only at like 40% understanding of every sentence, i'm just asking if I continuously read in such a way, the understanding will go up

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I hate everyone of you
that is all

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みんな大嫌い
それだけだ

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>>19052047
every one*

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>>19051950
>>19051926
>>19051523

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how to know if a kanji is pronounced in its onyomi or kunyomi variation?

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What's the most rare word in your vocab arsenal?
Mine's 疥癬

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>>19052001
No, divide and conquer.
Learning everything at once won't make learning japanese easier or faster than getting the annoying part out of the way first before you focus on actually learning the rest of the language.

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>>19052161
How do you appraise a word's rarity exactly?

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>>19052157
by knowing the word
Not even trolling, there really is no reliable rule

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>>19052193
>>19052161
Google results perhaps?
疥癬 gets me 900k
張形 gets me 579k
網赤血球 gets 125k
タマゴテングタケ 24k (56k as 卵天狗茸)
Probably would look different if I bothered to tweak search settings.

I taught myself plenty of scientific vocab because I'm into it, so the most bullshit words would come from these fields. Chemistry vocab in particular was fun to learn.

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>>19052161
蟄居

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>>19052259
define "knowing the word", you mean knowing when its usually used in its particular context?

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>>19052285
網赤血球 actually has 19k, if you knew how search engines worked. That's far from accurate, anyhow.

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>>19052294
If you've never encountered the word before, it's a matter of luck. There are some vague patterns that help you feel out whether the word "sounds right", but there are cases where it goes right out of the window and the actual reading sounds like something Japanese intentionally left to trouble language learners.

In other words, it's the same as English pronounciation.

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>>19052294
Yes. Kanji are used to write words, not for their readings (other than ateji-nonsense like 夜露死苦). Usually there is only one word that fits the context, so the kanji is pronounced that way.
The other exception would be stuff like 明日 that can have different valid readings with the same meaning, but even that is usually obvious form context by looking at how polite the rest of the conversation is.

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>>19052294
If you've never encountered the word before, it's a matter of luck. There are some vague patterns that help you feel out whether the word "sounds right", but there are cases where it goes right out of the window and the actual reading sounds like something Japanese intentionally left to trouble language learners.

In other words, it's the same as English pronunciation.

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Does 鶴を折る have a meaning other than the literal one? I saw it on 2ch but the conversation wasn't about origami

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>>19052364
Why don't you ask em?

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Manyには「a」が入ってるが、「マンニ」ではなく「メニ」というんだ
英語、どうして

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>>19052364
Maybe the "fold 1000 cranes to grant a wish" thing?

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https://my.mixtape.moe/rkhjhb.webm
>ママ、お兄ちゃんが変な顔をする！
I can't produce any other examples on the spot but on more than one occasion I've seen the plain form being used for a progressive action. Can you point me in the direction of something that talks about this in further detail? Every time I search for 現在形 or 現在進行形 I get results that are for learning English as a Japanese native.

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>>19052380
>どうして
なんとなく

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>>19052346
>>19052359
makes sense, appreciate it

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either jisho's drawing recognition is crap or my stroke order is terrible
google's a lot better at figuring out what the hell i'm attempting to write but not very useful as a dictionary

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オハヨウゴザイマス、アノンたち
今日も一日頑張ろうぜ

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>>19052574
Fascinating information

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How do I use my newly acquired Japanese skills to get a job?

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>>19052610
you don't

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>>19052610
Translate nukige, if you're good enough - you will get hired as a translator.

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>>19052610
Become Nukemarine's private tutor for life

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What are some good anime/jdramas for upper-beginner comprehensible input?

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>>19052734
boku no pico

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Well... I would like to say: "SHUT UP MattVsJapan, George has a lot more experience than you AND he is something that you aren't... he's HUMAN, he makes mistakes, he forgets things, he acknowledges that he doesn't know everything, neither every kanji. Unlike you that tries to sound like the best person ever, the god that can judge anyone by watching... I dunno 10 minutes of only one video."

Heck even japanese people doesn't know how to write/read every single kanji. And NO ONE is perfect, I like George because he's human and humble, but I hate you and your judging without enough proof or even sense. Damn... Where is your respect?? Watch another video to certify of George's true abilities before judging like the god you're trying to be, at least he doesn't sound fake like you do, he's human!

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>>19052861
a human bean

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>>19052861
Honestly with that balding head matt looks more like an egg than a human

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Tfw you think 曇る is pronounced kumoru since you mistake it for 雲 and it ends up being the actual pronunciation.

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>>19052905
Man, you're basically a nip at this point.

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Watching the meltdown on /v/ about steam removing adult VNs makes me feel so fucking smug about not having to rely on translations.

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Reminder that you only need to know how to write TWO words to prove to Japanese people you know every kanji in existence.

薔薇 and 檸檬

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>>19052931
Thanks I've written them down.

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>>19052931
A lot of nips don't even know that bara can be written in kanji, they think it's a loanword from English.

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This is my plan, which is loosely adopted from an ajatt approach. It's also aimed at automating as much as possible, so it's possible to do while on public transport and in bite size chunks. I already know both kana.

Heisig/RTK for recognition and writing
Bunpro (have lifetime account) and tae kim for grammar
Satorireader for vocabulary and kanji in context
Pimsleur whenever I'm doing dishes :)
Of course using Anki at the same time and listening to/watching as much japanese content as possible.

I'd be doing less +1 sentence mining, by relying on Satorireader for content tailored to my level, which also getting a lot of context sentences from bunpro. I can also do both satorireader and bunpro while on the go. RTK less so, but that's ok.

Right now I'm using wanikani for kanji learning, but the site is expensive and I'm thinking the money would be better spent on satorireader. Plus it makes sense to me that learning readings out of context is not terribly effective. Also, RTK apparently is a great way to learn how to write the kanji from memory and that's appealing.

So the question is whether I'm completely missing something. I'm a beginner and am still discovering cool sites and resources. Like Akebi which is amazing and Misa on youtube. I also don't know if this approach would leave me stunted in some way, or be ineffective.

Any feedback would be appreciated. I have read the starter's guide :)

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>>19051464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00

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I wanna learn japanese but I don't want to invest any effort.

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>>19053013
Good approach because you can't learn Japanese anyways.

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>>19052955
Everyone knows what 薔薇 is, dude. They just can't write it.

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>barely feeding the reddit cunt (Yous)
proud of you faggots

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>>19052955
Those things aren't mutually exclusive

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>>19053108
我々は次の段へ登っています

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>>19053108
>84 posts
>37 posters
It's pretty much because 3/4 of the the regulars in this general have bailed out because it has consistently been absolute shit for the past 6 months. This is DJT in its death throes. Enjoy it.

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>>19053151
Yeah, the e-celeb, normalfags from dead /int/, RTK posters + jamal have made it pretty bad
I wish reports actually did something

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迫り来る時計の針はすれ違っても
また巡り

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>>19053165
i miss int djt

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>>19053165
It's not a big deal.

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>>19053165
The people that reply to every inquiry regardless of what it's about in the most cuntish way possible is what makes this thread shit.

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>>19052157
You develop an intuition for it. There are no solid rules for what reading to use. A lot of words predate the kanji they are assigned. The only reason why 悲 is used in 悲しい is because the meaning of 悲 is close enough to かなしい, so it makes sense, or at least enough Japanese agree that it makes sense, so they are okay with writing 悲しい. However, this does not mean that somebody can not write 哀しい.

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>>19052346
>夜露死苦
What the hell. I assume this originated in some kind of comedic context.

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>>19053262
No, the cunts listed here >>19053165 making up most of the posts in this thread is what makes it a shitty thread. This place is done, soon even reddit will be better. Good riddance DJT, you deserve this.

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When you guys write kanji how big is it usually? My hiragana is fine, but I feel like my kanji is fucking massive. I'm just doing practice problems.

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>>19053373
>When you guys write

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>>19053373
>production

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>>19053370
>This place is done, soon even reddit will be better.
おい

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>>19053370
Do us a favor and remove yourself then.

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>>19053383
>>19053385
Stop forcing this shit, you're fucking annoying.

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>>19053370
Reddit has been better since the beginning, it is the premiere Japanese learning community on the Internet. Only reason I still come to /djt/ is because I can't handle reddit's UI, I feel like I need to perform some kind of arcane technological ritual to gain full access.

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>>19053373
Just the size of a line in a normal notebook

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>>19053273
>I assume this originated in some kind of comedic context.
Sure did:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9A%B4%E8%B5%B0%E6%97%8F#%E6%9A%B4%E8%B5%B0%E6%97%8F%E3%81%AE%E6%96%87%E5%8C%96

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>>19053395
t. uses Genki and Wanikani.

How can someone actually like r/learnjapanese

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>>19053395
>/djt/

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>>19053165
Jamal is CoR-kun, a janny who pulled strings with the mods to have this thread moved away from /a/. This is why the other generals purged from /a/ were quickly moved back to /a/ shortly afterwards, aside from DJT. Reports are selectively ignored for this reason.

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What light novels have you guys read yet?

I am currently reading キノの旅 and I am enjoying it.

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>>19053474
Light novels aren't reading.

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>>19053474
>light novels
>read
I'm so sick of this meme.

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When should I write ない as 無い ?

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>>19053475
>>19053480
I light novels, manga, and VNs are not reading then what is reading?

I know this is just some meme but this just makes not fucking sense.

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>>19053503
Whenever you want to be a bit pretentious.

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>>19053505
If your first read wasn't a work of Edo literature, you're not gonna make it.

Stop falling for memes, Jesus fucking Christ, anon...

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>>19053468
Odd how it was deleted, but I suspect it's more likely that the person that posted it did t b h

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>>19053441
Is Genki shit?

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>>19053468
So the biggest shitposter is a janny? hard to believe

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>>19053524
jokes on you. I started with the Bible.

>求めなさい。そうすれば与えられます。捜しなさい。そうすれば見つかります。戸をたたきなさい。そうすれば開けてもらえます。求める人はだれでも与えられ、捜す人はだれでも見つけ出します。戸をたたきさえすれば開けてもらえるのです。パンをねだる子どもに、石ころを与える父親がいるでしょうか。

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>>19051734
What game is the penguin from? As for learning Japanese, I know a couple words and sentences in Japanese and I've been watching anime for quiet a while. I haven't been to Japan ever but I definitely would like to go someday!

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ホワイトデーはいきりすぎた

What's this verb here? I don't know what comes after White Day.

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>>19053625
ホワイトデーは　いきり　すぎた

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>>19053630
I see. So would it mean something like "I was a little late for White's Day?"

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>>19053625
> ホワイト
Hwite day?

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>>19053657
ワホイト would sound retarded so they had to put the h in front.

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>>19053647
Where are you getting this from? He's saying that he had a good time during White Day.

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>>19053666
Why not just drop it, satan? It's not pronounced anyway.
ワイト

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>>19053672
From this comic. I admit that I simply don't know the words after White Day.

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>>19053672
What verb is that?
生きる is an Ichidan verb, its stem is 生き.
いきりる doesn't exist.

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>>19053696
That's a り. 張り切る

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>>19053681
You don't know English

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>>19053708
Дай и хуй с ним.

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>>19053703
I see. Damn artist not using kanji. Thanks for the help.

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>>19053709
Еба, надо же так опечататься.

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>>19053710
>deflecting onto the author because I wasn't able to differentiate between い and り

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>>19053710
That's clearly り.

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>>19052448
Please

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>>19053723
>>19053734
I thought that it was more likely to be り because of the slight curve, and きり sounded less strange than きい. Remember, I didn't know the word.

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>>19053770
When you don't know the word you try every possible combination instead of trusting your undeveloped sense of what sounds strange and what does not.

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>>19053784
Even so, if the author had used kanji when writing the word, I could've easily looked it up. It's my fault for not knowing it, but the author didn't make it easy to read.

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Is sub vocalization a problem for people learning another language? Isn't it already 'cured' if you read normally in english?

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>>19053799
If you think that every mangaka has a boner for Chinese doodles, you're sadly mistaken.
You should thank the heavens if they at least use katakana where a kanji should be used. And even then there's a chance they mess up the okurigana.

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>the particle wa is written as ha
Fuck this stupid fucking language.

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>>19053842
Why would it be a problem? Cure what?

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Does yomichan not work on 4chan for anyone else? I'm wanted to use it over rikakun because of the anki integration but it doesn't seem to function on this site for some reason.

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>>19053918
> tough
> thought
> though

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>>19053918
>ghoti
Fuck this stupid fucking language.

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>>19053925
I thought it might be slowing my reading speed down. Google says using your fingers to trace what you're reading, or chewing gum can help

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>>19053962
sub vocalization isn't what Google is saying it is

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>>19053940
Idk, works just fine. Do you have any 4chan browser extensions installed?

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Hey! I have only really been studying for a year (pretty full on) finished genki 1, use wanikani and anki along with hello talk. I'm pretty happy with my level of communication on hello talk and I've made a pretty good friend on there where I pretty much only chat in Japanese. I thought I'd be pretty confident with the language when I left to Japan for the third time.

I didn't use Japanese once. Even in the most rural area (nihonmatsu Fukushima) they saw that I was foreign and immediately spoke English.

Everytime I wanted to order food or a coffee, I would practice sentences in my head and as soon as I'd go up to order, English. What is wrong with me?! I would try and listen to how Japanese people would order and it sounds nothing like the sentences I made up in my head. お願いします? 下さい? It was just very hard to gain confidence to speak. Even saying ありがとう felt unnatural. Has anyone else had a similar experience? This has just motivated the hell out of me to get some actual verbal practice in before my next trip.

This isn't a negative experience at all so please be kind. I'm curious to hear if anyone else has had the same issue and how the overcome it. Thankyou!

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I'm (once again) trying to learn some japanese, this time using Tae Kim's Grammar Guide. In the na-adjectives chapter is this sentence:
>ボブは⿂が好きだ
Bob likes fish

However, reading the previous examples I translate the sentence to:
>As for Bob, fish (is) the thing (that is) desirable/likeable (to him)

And interpret it as:
>Bob is picky but likes fish.

Are those correct translations and interpretations or am I digging too deep or just plain wrong?

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ぼくもくそにあそぶのがすき
ぷれっぶっとのくそねたならさいこう

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>>19054017
Reddit babby discovers dialects.

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>>19054027
が just marks the subject. Fish are desirable.

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>っつーべ

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>>19054052
just report and move on. Oh wait, jamal is a janny and won't do jack fucking shit
nevermind don't do anything

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>>19054061
So
>Bob (finds) fish desirable

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>>19054096
Bob is the topic. He's not acting on anything

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>>19054096
no dumbass no
"fish are desirable" is a 1:1 translation of everything after the wa

[Anonymous No.]

Why won't he speak like a normal person?
Was he miseducated by a female language tutor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKFKl22j1RY

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>>19054133
Maybe he is just a mentally ill tranny

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>>19054133
いたい

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>>19054133
Maybe he doesn't actually know japanese and is just parroting phrases he learned from anime (just like this thread)

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>>19054153
お前、日本語わからない

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>>19054153
He pussied out and switched back to Spanish, but he could understand what she was saying.

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>>19054167
Nah some translator probably just told him what she said, unless you're implying that his dad is also fluent in nihongo

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>>19054166
！？てめえ、よく知ってたな

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>>19054108
Yeah, I get that. That's why "finds" is in brackets, because the verb "to find" isn't actually in the sentence. If I said "Fish are desirable to Bob", then fish would be the topic but that seems more wrong.

>>19054111
I understand that. How would you fit Bob in your translation?

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>>19054186
Yeah, probably. I didn't watch that part, the disappointment of his granddad's face is just too much.

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>>19053606
Not him but that's a prinny from Disgaea. Very fun SRPG series.

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>>19054208
add "for bob" at the end

japanese is not English

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>>19054208
bob comes before the wa, indicating that bob is the topic of fish being desirable

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>>19054208
I'm in the same place as you so I'm probably wrong, but as I understood it Bob being the topic just implies that the fish being desirable applies to bob. Look it up somewhere else if you have issues

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>>19054238
Didn't think of that. Thank you.

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>>19054208
stop trying to translate the sentence to something that makes sense in english....only attempt to UNDERSTAND what the sentence means

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFQQALduhzA
What is he saying?

> ようこそ皆さん
> ようこそ、 Filthy Frank show へ
> 今日は凄い面白い (物?) を教えてあるよ (あげる?)
> 俺のクロゼトの中に ( ??だいじん) が二人いるんだ
> 両方とも死んでる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054261
でも、マグロ女が大嫌い

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054350
>What is he saying?
who cares

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054350
correction:
今日はすごい面白いのを教えてやるよ
俺のクロゼットの中にヤダヤ人が二人いるんだ

also, I can't believe there are still people watching filthyfrank in 2018

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054350
Hello everyone! Welcome to the filthy frank show. Today i have something super funny to tell you , i have 2 jews in my closet.. theyre both dying

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054381
I used to watch his videos in 2015, stumbled upon his channel today and realized the subs were never accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054285

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054400
I didn't ask for a translation, but thanks for the effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054400
amazing funny i.e. it's grammatically wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054410
accusing is outside all other conjugation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054415
i thought that looked weird, should it be すごく

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054421
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054421
すごい is grammatically correct but more informal

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054413
Isn't he just saying it's amazing and interesting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054431
not when a gaijin says it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054434
that would use kute or some conjunction, not i

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054434
すごい is modifying 面白いの directly, I don't know how that's so hard of a concept to understand considering it also exists in english.
>>19054435
Filthy frank was born in japan mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054415
Isn't he just saying it's amazing and interesting? Why can't you use two adjectives to describe something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054434
That would be 凄くて面白い. i-adjectives are essentially verbs, you can't just put them one after another without conjugating anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054453
Because there are no adjectives in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054470
I see thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054450
yeah but he's roleplaying as a gaijin
he said it that way because it's the kind of mistake a gaijin with bad Japanese would make

[Anonymous No.]

>this many people confused by すごい + verb construction

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054490
not a verb

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054486
At this point I don't know if you're trolling or if your ego is so high that you can't stand being wrong about somethnig

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054415
how the fuck did you manage to represent the error so easily in englando
I feel like the ESL in here have better english than me as a native at times

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054506
you don't know Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

What's the longest break you guys ever took from studying Japanese? Do you guys still keep up with your cards while on vacation or when family are over for the holidays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054509
I'm a native speaker
it's exactly the same kind of "error", completely okay when a native says it on purpose but a fundamental error when a non native with an accent says it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054510
お前、すごい馬鹿だな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054515
1. Never in 2+ years
2. Loaded, not answering

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054523
アナタなら最後(死に際)まで永遠に日本語はまったく出来ない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054523
that's a noun

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054553
よし返事するの飽きたぜ好きにしろ
お前明らか自分が間違っていることを隠すためにスレを荒らしてるんだ。もう完全に分かってしまったよ。だからこれからはマジレスやめるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054585
いやべつに

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054481
There aren't?

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like the more words I learn, the better my overall retention gets. You guys were right about this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054585
When you learn Japanese from dialogue writing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054626
There are parts of speech that have the same function as adjectives, but those are not the same thing as adjectives in European languages. They are not mere modifiers.
If you look at い-adjectives as sort-of-verbs and な-adjectives as sort-of-nouns, Japanese grammar makes more sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054626
They are all verbs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054665
even the nouns!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054665
形容動詞 are not

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054686
>動詞

[Anonymous No.]

秘密が生理機能にある

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054693
Fucking rekt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054693
Hmm...
Japanese linguists probably see na-adjectives as modifications of だ.
Man, I wish I was good enough at nip to read Japanese textbooks. I still don't know what were those verbs the teacher asked Yui in K-on about. If there's a children's song about them, they probably matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054741
Or maybe I do know, but simply don't remember that episode well. It's been quite a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054741
it's because when na is attached they technically become a contacted verb phrase that ended in ni ari, also da etc were seen as inflections because traditional Japanese grammar was cargo cult grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054752
er ni aru in theybut you get the point

[Anonymous No.]

There are some differences between the Japanese grammar taught at ES/JHS in Japan and that taught for foreigners.

中学国語
【国語文法】 副詞・連体詞・形容詞・形容動詞の違い

Q:副詞・連体詞・形容詞・形容動詞の違いがわかりません。

A:進研ゼミからの回答
副詞・連体詞・形容詞・形容動詞はいずれも修飾語になれるという点で共通しています。「活用するかしないか」「活用する場合の活用語尾はどうか」「活用しない場合は何を修飾しているか」に注目して判断します。

■活用するかしないか
活用するものは「形容詞・形容動詞」，活用しないものは「副詞・連体詞」です。
[例]　この小説は，おもしろい小説だ。
　修飾語は「この」と「おもしろい」
　「この」　　　→活用しない→副詞か連体詞
　「おもしろい」→「おもしろく・ない」「おもしろかっ・た」などと活用する→形容詞か形容動詞

■活用する場合→形容詞か形容動詞か→活用語尾で見分ける
形容詞は終止形（言い切りの形）が「～い」となり，形容動詞は終止形が「～だ」「～です」となります。
したがって，活用表も異なります。活用表に少しでもあてはまらない場合は，「活用しない」と考えられるので，連体詞か副詞ということになります。
[例]「おもしろい」→「い」で終わる→形容詞
　　「静かだ」　　→「だ」で終わる→形容動詞

■活用しない場合→連体詞か副詞か→何を修飾するかで見分ける
連体詞は体言を修飾し，副詞は主に用言を修飾します。いずれも活用しません。
[例]　大きな犬が道をとぼとぼと歩く。
　　「大きな・犬」　　　→「犬」は体言なので「大きな」は「連体詞」
　　「とぼとぼと・歩く」→「歩く」は用言なので「とぼとぼと」は「副詞」

[Anonymous No.]

Will I ever be able to instinctively tell what reading to go with for numbers, or is it just a matter of knowing what's what in every compound?

[Anonymous No.]

Will I ever be able to instinctively tell what reading to go with for kanji, or is it just a matter of knowing what's what in every compound?

[Anonymous No.]

just put every single number in anki. problem solved

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054850
Counters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054985

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese guy has some videos studying English using 4chan:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVx6xun68CZORItm4Zp02nA/videos

[Anonymous No.]

>>19051422
>中２限定か。。。わからんことも
>あるか！死ね！

Is the ことも hinting at こともない ?
Like in "I know what you mean"?
The あるか at the end is kind of throwing me off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055067
I initially thought why couldnt he pick something better, then i realized i would pick 2chan up eventually anyway..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055082
the か is not a question, but exasperation in my mind

[Anonymous No.]

>>19052955
>A lot of nips don't even know that bara can be written in kanji
How is it possible? 薔薇 is a very common and I saw it million times without furigana even in
some shitty nukige.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055067
I want to help him understand something that was stumping him, but I think he'd just get annoyed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055089
Uhm, yeah, I figured as much.
So he's meaning that's basically impossible for the other guy.
I still don't quite understand the わからんことも part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055101
Post the page

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055101
>as if there would be things I wouldn't know! die!
probably wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19053373
get a mechanical pencil

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055103
He's responding to a guy at 2ch-like-board who said:
食われるんなら中２女子がいいよ！
"if i'm going to be eaten anyways, it better be by a schoolgirl".
They're shitposting in a thread about a zombie outbreak so there's not more context than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055067
>"this is pretty fucking obvious, dude."
>「それはかなりファキングであきらかになっています...このやろう」

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055067
Well, it is possible to learn English on 4chan, but he's doing it wrong.
He should engage in conversations somewhere on /b/ where nobody will criticize his crappy grammar skills, instead of reading copypasta on /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055130
>production

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055135
Actually I still haven't figured out what they fuck do you guys mean by "production". I googled it, I looked it up in a dictionary just to make sure, but I couldn't find a definition that made sense in the context of studying Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055146
It's just a shitty DJT meme, ignore it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055146
Producing. Speaking, writing.
We have zero interest and in that guys case he shouldn't either. Languages outside your native countries are useless, and a waste of effort to learn.
>>19055154
No, its not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055146
Go back to wherever you came from

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055156
>We
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055067
This is heartwarming, but considering the material he's reading it really shouldn't be.

>>19055098
Could always offer it and see how it reacts to the offer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055156
Considering that line of thought I assume you aren't the most successful person. Oh wait, you're on DJT so you're already a failure by default

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055164
>>19055167
Feel free to stop posting anytime newfriends

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055156
Well, it may be true for Japanese, but speaking English is essential.
There isn't much you can do if you can only communicate in one language. Unless that language is English, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055173
Actually I've been here for more time than you, that's why I know japanese and you don't.

[Anonymous No.]

oh boy, he called us new, the irony

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055181
Fuck off, anglo egomaniac subhuman. Can't wait for english to get replaced by mandarin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055181
Speaking english is not essential for natives in japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055184
>>19055188
Still posting I see... we talked about this ;)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055067
A GochiUsa thread is possibly the worst place possible to learn English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055194
> anglo egomaniac subhuman
Not an anglo, I'm just stating a fact. If I didn't study English all these years I wouldn't have access to as much information.
> mandarin
Oh fuck off. Mandarin is a garbage language and I hate running into chinks every fucking day (stay in your own shithole, God damn it, or at least come in small numbers) and hearing them imitate mosquito noises.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055204
The Japanese segment of the Internet is smaller than it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

Help, I fucking hate reading. What do I do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055278
Read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055278
Read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055278
Why are you trying to learn Japanese then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055302
For toku and dramas, mostly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055304
Get subs. Though, even if you find any, it's going to be annoying as hell to pause every two seconds. There has to be a manga that will interest you. Or a visual novel. Anything that has text in it. Don't try to jump to listening, you can't acquire that skill overnight. I requires good understanding of grammar and a decent vocabulary, both are achieved through reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055359
you don't need that much grammar to understand grunting and 気持ちいい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055384
He said drama, not porn.
Also, I've watched some tease porn with "high school girls" talking in compound sentences with nested modifiers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055359
>>19055304
There are VNs that should fit the bill. Are you sure you don't just dislike reading because it's hard? 電激ストライカー sounds like something you'd like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055398
>tease porn

[Anonymous No.]

おはようみなさん
僕はいわゆるパーサ娼婦で....実話は..日本語なんて知らないんだwwww
ていうか知る必要なんてないんだよね〜

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055398
>high school girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055408
I'll give that a try, thanks. I really do think it's just that I hate reading. Even when I read books in English I usually give up half way through. I actually do read a stack of comics every week, but manga is different in a way that stopped me from getting into it. Every one I've tried to read feels so sparse in content, I feel like I've only read a few pages when I get to the end of a chapter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054750
Never heard of any of these exceptず.
Guess it's classical Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055439
I've been watching porn for way too long. Pee pee in jay jay doesn't do anymore, I started fapping to things that are barely porn or not porn at all, and almost exclusively 2D.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055510

[Anonymous No.]

>>19053373
原稿用紙 is 8mm/cell usually. Also >>19055119

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055479
Comics and manga are pretty different. I find myself plowing through a volume of manga in 20 or 30 minutes, but comics are way more dense, I think. On average, anyway.

As for the VN, no idea how complicated it is, but check out the opening, get hyped up for how cool it looks, and struggle through it. Hope it treats you well.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone please help me with this sentence, I seem to be missing something because I can't really make sense of it.

入学案内といい、突然降って湧くのが趣味なのか。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055479
>it's just that I hate reading
The fuck are you learning Japanese for then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055573
Picking up elementary school girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055573
>>19055304

[Anonymous No.]

Why are the chapters in Japanese books so long? I always have trouble finding a good place to stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055623
Have you tried reading faster than retard speed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055453
is this that guy that drives around in a magic taxi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055634
>260 page book divided into just 3 chapters
You can crow and croon about reading speed all you want, but the fact remains that this is silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055713
>can't read 90 pages
see, retard speed

just stop wherever, it doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055510
>I started fapping to things that are barely porn or not porn at all, and almost exclusively 2D.
looks like quite a challenge

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055623
栞は

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055067
He's cute. We should invite him here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055744
ここだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055572
入学案内（のときの出来事）といい、/
「突然降って湧く」のが趣味なのか。
this is the reference to the person X who suddenly appeared before (at the admission guidance.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055779
こいつ..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054741
>Man, I wish I was good enough at nip to read Japanese textbooks.
I've always wanted to try that. I can read to the point of casually reading most moege, so I guess I'd do alright. Does the Japanese Ministry of Education share some documents about what exactly should be taught at school, what textbooks should contain to be qualified as the actual schoolbooks (or do they give licenses to certain publishers)? I'd love to get through all of the Japanese classes (including 文語), even if it means importing physical copies of the books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054665
All i-adjectives are verbs because they include a form of "to be" (that's why using だ with them is wrong).
All na-adjectives are nouns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056008
マジで

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055927
Amazon.jp seems to have a variety of textbooks available for overseas shipping, including stuff like test preparation books and reference books for teachers.
If you know what you're looking for, you may also be able to get it through cheaper avenues that deal in used books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056008
It would make sense, actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056016
>If you know what you're looking for
The point is I don't. I'll finish my reading quota for this week and try to get some time to figure out what I should get.
Thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19053474
I got the first boogiepop but pretty immediately realized that the amount of shit I have to look up while going through it is just hella so I've put it off for the moment.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't seem to find an anki deck for RTK 3 on the guide. Is there one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056248
RTK3 isn't really worth it.
By that point you know the methodology and can apply it on your own when you encounter an unknown kanji without bothering with the weird kanji/keywords he picked for RTK3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19053505
夏目漱石

[ESL-kun No.]

I just realized I have problems to articulate not only in english, but in my own language too. Probably a result of being a NEET for too long. Wat do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056303
don't articulate
masturbate

[Anonymous No.]

Don't want to reply to the trip fag but, I've been a NEET for over 6 years now and have no problem articulating in both my first language and English. Talking to yourself helps if you haven't tried it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056359
I see, I'll try that.

Not a tripfag though. I just use the name ESL-kun to indicate that English is not my native language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056535
Are you the guy who puts an unironic "sorry for bad English" everywhere?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056359
>I've been a NEET for over 6 years now
Pathetic m'man

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056303
blog about it on 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056303
If you can't articulate because you don't articulate then why the fuck do you need to learn how to articulate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19051499
>Music does not help your Japanese
Absolutely false.

[Anonymous No.]

>spent 3 months crunching N5-N2 kanji
>repeated most of them at least 10 times
>get on a month and a half break not studying anything new but somewhat frequently being exposed to written text
>already can't remember readings and a lot of times even meanings of 80% of them now

Just fucking kill me. End it right fucking now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056745
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056745
continue doing your old learning and don't take breaks again, it'll come back

[Anonymous No.]

>>19051499
Music helped my English a lot desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056745
That's because isolated kanji study is a meme. Studying kanji through vocabulary is the only way for the knowledge to persist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056851
The reason I began studying Kanji separately in the first place is because I could not do shit after a year of vocabulary studies. Don't be a lazy bitch and just do both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056745
That's what you get for believing the "just read" guys. It's not very efficient, so to get enough exposure through reading alone, you need to do nothing but read all day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056870
>I could not do shit after a year of vocabulary studies
What exactly couldn't you do? Read? You should've read in addition to grinding Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056902
I could read things that I've learned but my character recognition was completely half-assed and intuitive which led to me constantly mistaking symbols that look somewhat similar. Writing was completely out of question too.

[Anonymous No.]

how do i get motivation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056891
>you need to do nothing but read all day.
That's what I do, works fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057048
watch vn openings

[Anonymous No.]

>>19054644
I can't wait to hit this point because I've spent 3 days trying to memorize the first 25 words of core2k. I don't understand how you guys do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057061
This is, in all honesty, a very good advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056915
Japanese might not be the right language for you then.
I mean, even the dumbest Japanese retards know kanji of course, but it will take years judging from what you said about your language learning abilities. Make sure that it's worth the trouble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055067
This is cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057076
Your retention will never get better as long as you keep adding new words. It will only get worse. Reaching last card in the deck is only 2/3rds of the job at best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057076
> I've spent 3 days trying to memorize the first 25 words of core2k
Numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056915
It seems to me that for kanji not to devolve into a giant, shapeless mass of similarly-looking characters (which may or may not hinder your reading capabilities), you'd need either RTK or writing. Downsides are obvious: RTK is retarded and writing is very time-consuming if done systematically and useless otherwise. One could probably devise an Anki plugin that, being fed a vocabulary deck, would ask you to write some of its words to cover all of the kanji present in the deck by spaced repetition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057143
>you'd need either RTK or writing
I just did a radical deck, that was enough.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think reading RTK is debatable if it's recommended by fluent speakers like Matt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19056891
You don't know japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

How am I supposed to read the names of VN characters if the authors never provide furigana?
I wouldn't complain if everyone was 田中 and 山田, but that's clearly not the case, the Japs love meme kanji. Am I supposed to know every name in existence and then read the devs' minds to figure out which of the readings of the same name they chose?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057143
RTK is not that retarded. Well, the order is but you can just separate kanji based on their JLPT levels or whatever in separate decks.

And I don't feel like you need to actually write when you can just recall the stroke order in your mind or draw it on air with your finger in your pocket.

Someone should just add stroke order diagrams to the 2k/6k deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057176
Radicals help, but then you'd still confuse shit like 感 and 惑, 蒲 and 薄, hell, even 絡 and 格. Or maybe you wouldn't, being smart, but I would.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057181
Go to their website, the furigana will usually be in the character description section.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057201
RTK has retarded mnemonics and sometimes retarded Kanji designations. At which point you can just take an exemplary word for every kanji you want to learn and memorise them instead of kanji themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057177
>fluent speakers like Matt

[Anonymous No.]

I'm viewing the same cards I've already went through yesterday as if they were new again, this happens two days in a row always. What's a way to deal with it?

[Anonymous No.]

Question here. I'm making up some Gensokyo stamps, and on pic attached I wanted to insert a vertical chōonpu before the ku in the text box, but it always came out horizontal. In the end I drew one instead. Is there a way to insert a vertical chōonpu into text? This is using gimp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057181
Just remember the readings and use your intuition. If it sounds fucked then it's because it absolutely is.
At least you don't get names with different readings made up of same kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057221
RTK's mnemonics are a crutch. The book itself recommends you to come up with your own shit. It's definitely better to combine both methods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057234
There should be a VN about a bunch of characters with different names that are all written the same. I'd be disappointed if there isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057181
Are you sure they didn't spell it out when they first appeared? I've never seen a work where there is absolutely no indication of how to pronounce someone's name. Hell, even the most chuuni ones with furigana being only edgy English technique names often provide the appropriate reading at the beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057246
Well, if the VN is voiced their names are bound to be uttered at some point, but what to do until then?
Though, maybe I'm just looking for a problem where there isn't one. I did find the names I needed after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057245
I feel like that pops up in the infinity series somewhere but I might be misremembering that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057098
This stops when you stop seeing as many new kanji in words. That should be at about 2500 unique kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057181
English is almost exactly like that. You don't get the privilege of being able to pronounce names like "Bouvier" without prior knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057292
>Bouvier
this might not even be an english name

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057292
"Bouvier" 's pronunciation is clear from the obvious fact that it's a French loanword

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057292
I'm yet to encounter a single "Bouvier" in a video game. Most names can be read using standard reading rules described in every textbook for beginners.
Also, I'll take a wild guess and assume "Bouvier" is pronounced as "Boo-vieh".
I was right.
That name is French by the way. If I spoke French I'd be able to read it without any issues.

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>>19057232
Use ps you retard.

[Anonymous No.]

Any of you guys learn the radicals and did it help at all with kanji? I've been doing it on the side and it's super easy so I feel like if it was that useful people would always recommend it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057325
Point is, having an alphabet makes it easier to read.
Even the meme-est name in all of Europe can't be compared to Chinese characters. There aren't any reading rules here. Dumb memorization of every particular case. "Readings" were invented for native speakers, who learn new words prior to learning how to write them. And not even those readings can help much when it comes to names.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn2JZTAcTEs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057352
> ichi maru nigga

[Anonymous No.]

How bad is Chinese when it comes to multiple readings of characters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057393
I think it doesn't have multiple readings

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057303
Problem is that it is written exactly like that in English whereas other languages could designate it a transliteration that is actually perfectly readable.

>>19057307
>>19057325
It being French is obvious to you and me and yet that's still prior knowledge that, say, a person who grew up in Asia might not posses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057393
2 readings at best. Japanese is literally the most fucked up and broken languages out there when it comes to writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057425
> the most fucked up and broken languages out there
You mean "the most beautiful"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057425
Well, Kanji were not designed for Japanese. Maybe if they made their own writing system from scratch it would work.

> 人
> rén
> 大人
> dà_rén
> 外国人
> wàiguó_rén

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057434
"Beautiful" and "poetic" are the codes for unnecessarily complicated and fucked up spewed by patriots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057461
It is unnecessary complicated and fucked up, and therefore poetic and beautiful. Don't see any contradiction here.

[Anonymous No.]

根源, 水源, 語源
N1

映画館
N5

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057461
> unnecessarily complicated
The fucking language has two verb tenses and one grammatical person. How much more dumbed down do you want it to be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057478
When was the last time you were at a 語源? On the other hand, I go to the 映画館 every week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057447
>Maybe if they made their own writing system from scratch it would work.
Imagine the butthurt from every foreign Japanese student if Abe decided to switch the writing system to Latin Letters in an attempt to further internationalize.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057480
That was about the writing system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057339
That involves spending actual money, and in any case doesn't answer the question. But thanks for your considered insight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057484
>語源
What's the meaning of this other than "etymology" or word root?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057497
>money
Pirate it you retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057480
>it has simple grammar dude
>you just have to spend 2 years studying every day to get even close to being able to read 100% of any text presented to you
>whereas it would take you 3 days in most western languages and Korean

Shit has the learning curve of a flat mountain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057485
>butthurt from every foreign Japanese student
None required. We'll just pool together some money for a plane ticket to Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057485
I've been studying Japanese for a year and a half and I would gladly throw it all away in exchange for a better writing system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057509
I wonder if there are still japs willing to assassinate political figures they think will destroy the country.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057485
The natives' butthurt will be much stronger.
Japanese will become even less readable than it is now. Not to mention how pissed off everyone outside of Kanto be, considering the number of meme dialects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057525
Korean comes from the same language family and it has ditched Chinese letters just fine. Doesn't even need two alphabets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057520
Serious question, doesn't kanji improve readability?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057540
> Korean comes from the same language family
Who told you that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057542
It does once you get used to them. But it's definitely not worth it for the readability alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057540
Korean has way richer phonetics

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057226
You don't know japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057540
Poor Japanese phonology can't compete with the Korean one.
Also, Korean is a language isolate and you are a retard.
> inb4 muh Altaic languages
Hypothetical and widely criticized.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057525
If you can speak it without Chinese letters then you can write it without them just fine. Or at least trim their numbers down and make their use similar to counters - to help distinguish between phonetically similar words based on their core characteristics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057505
Right, you've been worse than useless. I'll just draw it and not worry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057583
> If you can speak it without Chinese letters then you can write it without them just fine
They can't, that's the problem. Most of the numerous homophones in Japanese didn't even appear naturally, they were borrowed from Chinese with its 4 tones.
Context and pitch accent often help, but not in every situation. Sometimes they have to ask.

[Anonymous No.]

How do people react to the fact that you know/are learning Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057663
Just give up if you are going to do to make people react. Faggots like this never accomplish anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057663
what people? outta here with that normalfag shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057663
>>Learning a dead language
>>Learning a language to masturbate to pictures
>Why bother? All the good stuff gets translations anyhow
and my favorite
>You should learn a useful language like Chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057690
That just sounds like 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057705
Yeah, those are the reactions I tend to see the most on here. I don't actually tell anyone I know in real life.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you follow any Japanese youtubers or streamers? I am having problems finding anything even remotely interesting via youtube's algorithm. Only a bunch of non-thematic bloggers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057663
Most don't really care as long as I don't go full retard (I'm talking pic related). Some think it makes me look smart, though it's more of a "sasuga Anon-kun" thing, people think I'm really smart for some fucking reason. I'm actually failing some of my studies currently, TFCV and tensor analysis are killing me.
Sorry for blogposting, can't help it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057734
Why are you learning japanese if you dont have anything you to do in japanese? Where do you idiots come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057766
I can't halfass anime. Whenever I watch it it has to take all of my attention and I want something for the background noise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19055067
Those fucking galko thread videos are pure gold. He really needs to trust the dictionary more on expressions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057734
I follow a ton of ASMR youtubers, and like half of them regularly stream.
Content itself is pretty meh but they all sound cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057811
>skip to the second half
>he's literally googling the word "nigger"

[Anonymous No.]

Is it okay to take a day off for my birthday or is that basically failing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057811
It's kind of fucked watching him read purposefully wrong English and thinking it's right. He's going to vacation in the US and say "hello faggot" just like that muttlina comic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057891
Taking a day off is just cheating yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057873
Reminds me of some ESL guy on r/learnjapanese who used the word "jap" because he thought it was an affectionate term

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057912
Makes me terrified of my 2ch reading exercises. What if everything I think I understand is just a metaphor for racism or gay sex.

[Anonymous No.]

Spent about 40 hours in the past 2 weeks learning about people learning Japanese. I feel accomplished.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057968
Did you watch all of Nukes videos or something

[Anonymous No.]

Spent about 40 hours in the past 2 weeks learning about people who can't learn Japanese. I feel accomplished.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057891
If you think you're such a special birthday boy, should you be giving yourself the present of studying even more?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058002
I guess you're right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057937
Japs themselves don't get triggered by it as much as Americans and Brits do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058033
It's still a racial slur my boy. Also americans are the ones who invented it in the first place and brits have no reason to care

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057744
TFCV is the most beautiful shit in all of the analysis and higher mathematics. Give it some love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058062
>racial slur
oh no :(

[Anonymous No.]

Will learning Japanese give my life meaning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058180
What is needed in life is not meaning, but a goal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058205

[Anonymous No.]

>core2k
>one of the first words is する
>means "do"
>nowhere in the example sentence can I see する

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058231
you're supposed to read tae kim first, verbs look different when the conjugate

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058238
I can't learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058231
>core2k
>one of the first words is "think"
>means "думать"
>Example sentence: "I've never thought about that before"
> no "think"
Fuck the English language, I give up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058273
But that would be a really stupid thing to do too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058242
Not like that you won't. You just went from zero to memorizing dictionary entries. You think that's how humans learn a language? Do you even know the alphabet (kana, kanji)? What you need is some direction, here watch these:

Video 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikm_gL7-mZs
Video 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PdPOxiWWuU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058289

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058289
How do Matt's method differ from that black guy's one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057232
vertical typesetting is broken in virtually all Western software, either take screenshots of vertical text in Firefox or rotate horizontal text

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058321
khatzumoto created the original method and matt just stole it for epic profits on patreon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058321
they're both pretty similar, since they're both based on AntiMoon. However, Matt has a better guide on how to make the monolingual transition and learn kanji. Also his videos are a lot more high-quality than the black guy's ranting blog posts

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058281
Well yeah, irregular verbs are typically discussed in grammar textbooks, not in vocab flash cards.
On the other hand, I didn't use anki to study English, so how do I know.

Still, you need to know basic Japanese grammar (3rd chapter of TK if I remember correctly) before you can start building up your vocabulary. Imagine if you had a completely disassembled car and you wanted to ride it. Would you start by filling the gas tank?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058333
Matt gives all of the AJATT instructions away for free. But since thousands of people want to ask him personal questions, he's set up a patreon to dedicate his free time to answering them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058289
>2 minutes into second video and the guy is already asking me to read some shitty cult books on """mediation"""

Yah, nah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058289
>One of the steps is to start meditating

OK, well maybe it's just one of those things he did and is suggesting it as an optional thi-

>"This is not a step you can skip if you want to learn Japanese as efficiently as possible"
>>19058310

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058363
>>19058355
So sure of something you've never tried? Oh well, go back to memorizing dictionary entries. God forbid you find your own path out of various sources of knowledge

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058388
Yo Matt, is RTK really nessessary? how do I combine AJATT with what I've been doing so far which is anki with mined words + core2k6 + reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058388
Memorizing dictionary entries is going to help your Japanese studies a million times more than meditating will, that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058363
>>19058355
Given the very fact that you guys post here it would be natural to assume that you may not be the kind of people who are capable of achieving long-term goals fueled by nothing other than own educated desire. Meditation may sound like some new-wave shit but it's still the most basic and scientifically proven thing that can help you stop getting distracted and develop a habit out of something that you otherwise would need to force yourself to do.

An interest binge can last for months, even whole seasons, but no matter how good you may feel about yourself while riding it, it will eventually stop and this is what meditation is for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058405
>that's for sure

citation needed.

>>19058404
It's just like meditation, my man. No obviously it's not required. It just helps with efficiency of learning speed. If you wanna pivot to AJATT then drop core2k studies and start listening to a fuck ton of japanese speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058342
>>19058238
Thanks I'll study Tae Kim. I assumed I should memorize random vocab before dealing with grammar first but I see now it's not that simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058416
if you can't start something and stick to it until the end you're just an ADHD faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058426
Just do both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058428
>stick to it until the end
>The end of Japanese

You don't make any sense

[Anonymous No.]

How do i type ぢ on a japanese keyboard,i only get じ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058448
di

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058448
ｗｈｙ　ｔｈｏｕｇｈ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058428
The world would not be such a shithole if most people were actually capable of "sticking to it" for the periods as long as 2-4 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058416
>Meditation may sound like some new-wave shit but it's still the most basic and scientifically proven thing that can help you stop getting distracted and develop a habit out of something that you otherwise would need to force yourself to do.
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058289
I liked that part where he recommended to not bother with speaking and writing until the third fucking year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058539
I like that part too, since it's something most people don't know. 1) speaking doesn't teach you japanese, parrots don't learn new words by talking 2) forcing yourself to output japanese early on when you suck at japanese will just give you bad habits that will stick with you a long, long time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058558
3 years is a bit too much for a phonetically simple language like japanese. But his target audience is mostly redditors so I can understand where he's coming from

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058558
Lmao. Imagine actually believing that. Bet you are one of those "2k and Tae Kim only" kids who attack any other learning activities because they can't ass themselves to do them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058587
>phonetically simple

you honestly think this is what he is talking about? you're stupider than I thought.

>>19058616
tae kim is nice but fuck core

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058558
>nah man you shouldn't try speaking with natives you'll just start parroting them and shit
>just do your Anki reps, bro

The absolute state of DJT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058652
you've completely misinterpreted the metaphor. It's quite simple, SPEAKING DOES NOT TEACH YOU JAPANESE. If your japanese is shit then you will say incorrect things. You WILL NOT be corrected if you are understood and your bad habits will ingrain into your subconscious.

[Anonymous No.]

Are people actually denying the fact that speaking doesn't teach you Japanese and only helps retention at best.

[Anonymous No.]

>try to learn by speaking with natives
>after a certain level you're good enough that they can understand you for the most part
>which means they won't bother to correct your smaller but still important mistakes
>you end up sounding like one of those chinese professors at a university that have been in america for 20 years but suck at pronunciation, still make grammatical mistakes, and dont travel outside of their set pattern comfort zone
>on top of only knowing conversational vocab
>and not being able to read
w e w

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058668
>>19058669
Having hard times imagining the straw man of a person that lives in your minds and somehow manages to frequently speak Japanese without also listening and learning from the people he is trying to communicate with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058689
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058714
>making bad habits is OK guys, because also I'm still learning from input!

holy fuck you're dumb but at least you admit you can only learn from listening to people talk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058689
>>19058668
>it is literally impossible to correct your own speech
I know I am dealing with a bunch of assburgers who are learning a language so that they don't have to wait months for their favorite porn to be translated and I am not above that myself. But such amounts of denial when it comes to something as simple and basic as actual fucking human communication is just shocking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058689
This. I once knew a guy who claimed to know Spanish, because he spent like two months or so in Spain "and everyone could understand him after a few weeks". I wonder how did he sound to the natives and how fake were their smiles when they told him how good he was.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058626
New here. Is core 2/6/(10?) ineffective? What would be a better use of learning time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058756
yeah man you can break a bad habit, like quitting smoking. Or you can just not smoke in the first place, dumb fucker

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058784
Core is effective for what it is but mining your own vocabulary deck is better in virtually any respect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058689
>>19058758
So did you study for years before trying to communicate with people in your native language?
You faggots are so afraid of those "habits" as if figuring them out and fixing them is not an intrinsic part of learning process.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058784
Core is
1. Like memorizing a dictionary
2. Groups similar words together so it's easy to get them confused
3. won't be the same as the words you encounter when reading or watching tv
4. doesn't help remember grammar patterns

Basically just read and mine instead http://www.antimoon.com/how/usingsm-makeitems-sentence.htm

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058797
>So did you study for years before trying to communicate with people in your native language?
Children stop talking like retards at what, 6 years? 8? 10?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058797
>native language?
Stop right there you chimp. Acquisition of your L1 is completely different from L2+

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058788
>you can break a bad habit, like learning to speak properly. Or you can just not speak in the first place, dumb fucker

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058806
speaking isn't the bad habit. Speaking incorrectly is, but you already knew that dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>people are actually arguing in favor of not using the language in it's first and foremost intention to learn the language

The type of people who buy the books on martial arts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058820
>This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
>>>/int/
>>>/r/learnjapanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058820
>using the language in it's first and foremost intention to learn the language
You've clearly never even gone to high school and seen how atrocious the Spanish/French/whatever of students who just parrot shit all day is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058827
what about hsitposting on traditional otaku forms of social media?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058801
Friendly reminder that spending a few months doing core while reading through a grammar book at the start is a perfectly fine way to start and makes the early stages of reading slightly less painful. You have years of studying ahead of you, 2 months grinding anki is nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058793
This is uber brainlet territory and I know that but when you guys say "mining" you're just describing the process of going out and finding a bunch of sentences in subtitles, websites, manga, etc. containing words you'd like to memorize, and then putting them in anki right?

[Anonymous No.]

Just got my #Genki textbooks delivered. Can't wait to get started on my Japanese learning journey!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058844
You read some shit -> you come across the word you don't know -> you put it in your mining deck.
Sentence mining is a meme, though it probably doesn't do any harm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058852
I am very confused by this post and all the upvotes. This post is literally just a picture of a commonly used textbook. Are there really that many people who were curious what the outside of the Genki books looks like who couldn't see the picture on Amazon? Wouldn't a few sample pictures of the inside of the book (a conversation, a vocab list, a grammar explanation, a few exercises, a page of the writing lessons, a page from the workbook, etc.) be way more helpful?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058843
>2 months grinding anki
>to learn 3000 kanji and 15 000 words

Cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058838
It's fun, but for it to be the primary reason you'd have to be retarded. You'd be laughed at for your Japanese at 2chan anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058869
Can you enlighten me as to what you are on about? I'm saying that you have years and years of learning/reading in front of you and that spending your first 2 months of that process doing anki is nothing in comparison. People that learn 6-10k words before starting to read are a different story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058873
But you cunts said that I have to study for 3 years before actually communicating with people because no one will ever bother to point at how poor my language knowledge is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058868
I posted a few pics of how wide the book was but beside that, I personally find these posts helpful because just by the amazon listing, you sometimes don’t really “know” what you’re getting.

It’s not like I had a ruler up to the side of the book but I still find a visual aid of what the book looks like in real time could be helpful. Sure, a person could probably find what they look like elsewhere but this was just another aid.

I think posting a few more pics would be a good idea though.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been told before to avoid watching/reading anime and manga while learning Japanese because the way they speak most of the time isn't how real people speak, and they use words or phrases that just aren't used in real conversation and would sound weird if they were. My question is, are there any that use practical, real Japanese instead of "Anime Japanese" as I've seen it called? It'd be even better if there were whole genres that generally speak "realistically", for lack of a better term.

(Also, do Dramas use the same dialogue habits or do they use more realistic dialogue?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058868
I'm sure 99%~ of people on that sub are forever stuck twiddling their thumbs on first week material and treat that place more like social media to procrastinate with rather than a resource.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058895
Holy shit, they do have some self-awareness

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058890
Great post, please continue. I need my soul to be cleansed after seeing the last ~50 posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058890
>It'd be even better if there were whole genres that generally speak "realistically", for lack of a better term.
Talk shows, interviews, streams, audio/video blogs etc.
Anime Japanese is not necessarily wrong Japanese. It's just cringy as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058910
>>19058911
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/8khs9f/animemanga_that_dont_use_anime_japanese/
You are replying to reddit

This thread is dead lads, pack it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058882
You won't learn anything from these reactions (and especially on the imageboards). To learn while speaking you'd need to speak with a teacher who is ready to correct you. But with enough input (reading and listening) you can skip the part where you speak like a retard. If you developed a feeling of the language, the intuition, you would only need to fix pronunciation, not the grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058925
Pretty sure everyone here knows non-reply posts that exceed 1 line are reddit posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058889
This is satire right?

[Anonymous No.]

Better learn to have a day off once per week and catch up on days that follow than go on a months long binges and eventually break the habit once you eventually decide that you need a week or two off to not go insane.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I find people who will pay me decent money to translate things from Japanese for them? Does anyone have experience doing this?

[Anonymous No.]

>プラスα is a word
why the fuck is the greek alphabet suddenly a part of the Japanese language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059036
>naïve is a word
why is an i with an umlaut suddenly a part of the English language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059059
that's not an umlaut

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059070
I don't give a damn what it is, the point still stands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058925
No shit. I was saying the posts talking about ajatt and production were bile and that I'd rather have the thread be filled with reddit pasta.

[Anonymous No.]

Who's Tae Kim anyway? There's nothing about him on the website or google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059108
he made the guide

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059108
someone who knows japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059108
my dad, he works for nintendo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059108
Whoever he is, we don't know his end game.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it worth reading Japanese the Manga Way if I plan to finish Tae Kim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059136
No. Just read manga normal way.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone here never finished Tae Kim but know Japanese well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059148
okay thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059136
Manga and reading don't belong in the same sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059136
It goes way beyond what's in Tae Kim but it also has way more filler shit like most of non-Tae Kim books tend to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059158
"Manga isn't reading"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059163
I really didn't think that through.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059163
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059158
"Manga and reading don't belong in the same sentence."

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059148
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

talking isn't learning

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that all of the posts without capitalization are by the same retarded autist and you should just ignore them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059242
That's wrong and Jamal lost the crown of the worst poster quite a while ago.

[Anonymous No.]

I fucking hate all of you cunts so I derail the thread with reddit and shitposting whenever I'm around. Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.]

^ wow imagine having no life lol

[Anonymous No.]

>learning Japanese for years, even have the N2
>can't recall some hiragana and many katakana from memory

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059288
You're here more than I am and the quality of our posts is definitely comparable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059294
The N2 basically means you can comprehend input (not produce) at the same level as a Japanese 3rd grader. 3rd graders forget how to write katakana all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059310
And those stupid shits produce better than me. What a time to be alive.

[Anonymous No.]

Sort of an odd question, but would any of you happen to know/be able to read Japanese wikiped and be able to tell me which prefecture has the highest percentage of people living under the poverty threshold?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059282
Thank you please continue

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059341
Simply learn Japanese and see for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059341
Not a translation service you fucker.

[Anonymous No.]

Made this the other day.

https://eikamikiku.github.io/JP-EN-Words/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059389
>js
It's garbage, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059389
pretty nice but one thing you can do that would be a huge improvement is have another column of buttons with readings, and you have to pick the right reading too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059389
Just had 明治 twice within the first 3 question. Your randomnizer is 下手.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059341
I don't think japan releases stats about that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059419
ur luck is 下手

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059430
Not him but I also got 強まる twice the first time I tried it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059441
>>19059419
each step has 100 words, that will happen, but personally, i like the repetition
I guess i can make it so that i will not repeat same thing twice in a row, but still allow repeats every other time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059419
I got yoku twice within the first 10, just randomize the array and loop through it.

[Anonymous No.]

Read anything fun today 先輩？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059389
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/34615970/#34616426

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059509
Based detective

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059509
lel

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059484
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

I used to spend a fuckton of time every day studying but now that I have obligations and only have a few hours of free time each day, it feels like whenever I study, it's not even improving any
anyone else ever get this feeling, where it feels like no matter how much time you're putting in, you're not improving? How do you deal with that frustration

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059516
https://www.reddit.com/user/EikaMikiku/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059549
How long until we've got his address chief?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059563
How long until you cancerous redditors fuck off for good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059563
im kind of excited to see if what people can find from my username

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059567
hi eikamikiku

[Anonymous No.]

moommyy, i don't wanna study katakaanaaa, katakana are dumb! why can't they just write it all in hirogana!?!!?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuVm6T__qlo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059659
クソガキ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059659
yeah, they should just invent a new diacritic symbol instead of katakana!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059659
>katakana words coming up more and more in core
>put them into a katakana>romaji converter when they come up as reviews

[Anonymous No.]

>ゲッス
what does ス add at the end here?

[Anonymous No.]

私はあなたのお母さんをなかだすだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059776
Post the page

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059785
2/10 you tried
you should try learning japanese first next time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059776
So the student or mc tries to bullshit the teacher and she laughs at him. He then responds with
>笑い方ゲッス！　失礼だと思わないんですか、教え子をゲスく笑ったりして！」

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058332
I suspected that from the vagueness in the wording of virtually everything I looked up, thanks for confirming. I'll do what you suggest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059816
now have you tried looking up ゲス
come on i know you can do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059816
What is your IQ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059816
Is the she the teacher and the he the student, or the other way around?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059776
>すっごく
What does ごく add at the end here?

[Anonymous No.]

先生ートイレ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059881
先生はトイレーではありません

[Anonymous No.]

I reached a 'high level' (~N1.5ish) of Japanese with anime as one of my main sources of study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059827
IQ is not a good way to measure someone's intelligence you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059916
t. low IQ brainlet

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else only comes here to shitpost and give false info?

[Anonymous No.]

Reading the last 250 messages while listening to this on repeat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Htocthp0Bo
one of the comfiest mornings I've had

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059923
You don't even know English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059915
Hi matty

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059933
Ties up with giving false info, if it was true of course.
There isn't any fault with what I've written you bitch boi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059923
Yeah. Regulars of this thread are absolute scum, they don't deserve to enjoy it. Keep it up brother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059923
Unironically, yes, I love posting complete nonsense that I just made up on the spot and seeing people get taken in by it, or even thank me for giving them advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059942
It should be "come" after "only", not "comes"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059923
What I love doing the most is writting a shitty sentence and watching "dekirus" spaz all over it with their autism, acting all high and mighty while being soo fucking triggered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059923
>>19059943
>>19059944
>>19059973
/based squad/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057181
>copy character's name
>paste into google along with title of game
It's just that simple m'lord.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059973
私は中国語です。

[Anonymous No.]

>retrospective damage control
Evolution is unfolding before us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059973
>writes shitty sentence in japanese with broken grammar because dekinai
>someone points out how shit you are at japanese
>"fuck u i was only pretending!!!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19057181
When the character is first introduced, there is usually furigana for it, even if the name is something generic like 松田 or 五木

If that's not the case, then eventually you might hear a character mention the name in a dialogue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059659
It's ultimately unimportant relative to the years that will be spent learning jaapanese but as I'm just starting out it's extremely frustrating to the point I wanna kick my dog because it feels so fucking redundant even though I know it's used for emphasis and loan words and other shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060008
>owning pets
Of course a degenerate like you can't learn Japanese lmao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060005
Exactly what happens, stay mad, stay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059943
Do you think it's leftovers from its /a/ roots or is it something else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060014
I'm not exactly mad, I'm just trying to help you realise that you're absolutely garbage at japanese and that being a cunt to people who are good at japanese won't fix that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060024
I actually think it's more so the people native to this board. Otakus are often bitter and nasty people. The behavior in this thread is a reflection of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060037
/jp/ is the least cancerous board on this site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060028
If I wanted to be good at Japanese I wouldn't be here.

[Anonymous No.]

>redit posting
>lowercase posting
>false information
>shit questions
You name it, I does it all.

[Anonymous No.]

someones thirsty this morning

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone here had success learning how to actually write the characters? I know a good deal of readings due to vocabulary but I would like to be able to write in Japanese too. I thought I would just start writing them in RTK order but is there a more efficient way?

>>19051950
Read the guide.

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>>19060084
RTK worked for me, only takes a few months my ninja

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060101
Wouldn't that take like 30 Kanji a day though. Only an Einstein can handle that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060114
i did 25 a day and i'm small brain, it's a really good method man.

[Anonymous No.]

>RTK
>production

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060114
Bud did you not see the past 10 posts where people were saying they purposefully give false info to questions asked here?

[Anonymous No.]

RTK is a poor man's Wanikani to be honest with you.

[Anonymous No.]

Why has no one made a good grammar guide yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060067
>You ... I ...
hey..... oh wait you were right about 3

[Anonymous No.]

My friend wants to go to Japan with me in about two years.

I've been studying for about 3 months.

Would another 2 years be enough for a week in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>踏みとどまる
>to remain, stay on, hold out
>to stop(doing), give up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060299
Yes, but don't forget to pretend like you don't know japanese when you get there so you get those sweet gaijin priviledges

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060310
yyeeee this nigga right ON!
dem chinese bitches be like oh he speak chink so he gonna tattle if i take that bbc lmaoooooooooooo so u just naa nigga imma dumb nigga from detroit lmaoooo then ruin that ass for tiny dick chinaboi

[Anonymous No.]

私はあなたのお母さんを中出す

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060322
umm are you okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060101
Cool I'll try that then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060299
I thought this sounded like reddit and lo and behold it is. My detector is getting honed.

[Anonymous No.]

So you guys keep meming me that "manga isn't reading"
I guess it's because of the way they speak most of the time isn't how real people speak, and they use words or phrases that just aren't used in real conversation and would sound weird if they were. My question is, are there any that use practical, real Japanese instead of "Anime Japanese" as I've seen it called? It'd be even better if there were whole genres that generally speak "realistically", for lack of a better term.

(Also, do Dramas use the same dialogue habits or do they use more realistic dialogue?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060417
I think this is a reddit post that has been adapted to /dtj/. Good effort but I realized pretty quickly.

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly the DJT her in /jp/ is absolutely garbage compared to what /int/ had, too bad there aren't anymore /int/ threads.

[Anonymous No.]

What happend to the /int/ thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060478
>Honestly the DJT her in /jp/ is absolutely garbage
It's no suprise when the moderation is this bad. Look at all the shit that hasn't been deleted in contrast to what has. There is no rhyme or reason to it when the worse garbage is consistently permitted to archive.
>>/jp/thread/19051422

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060503
It was bad, so people stopped going there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060478
>>19060503
There are still threads and they're still good. There was one today and we had a few last week that got up to 200 posts. It's just that the threads can never survive Euro off-hours as there aren't enough Americans and Canadians to keep it afloat during that period. There will be another one tomorrow most likely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060539
>There are still threads and they're still good.
There is really nothing good about them, they're now 100% normalfags. Less shitposting is good but not when the legitimate posts are just as cancerous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060545
It's all good bud, feel free to continue not going there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060545
>There is really nothing good about them
Being able to consult a nip flag sounds convenient.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060552
>being able to consult a gaijin monkey roleplaying as japan sounds convenient

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060562
Honestly to me it seems that Japan flags in DJT's on int are quite frequently actually japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060549
Cancerous normalfags who flocked in from reddit, et al., cannot possible hope to maintain a general on /int/, which is why they die. I will feel free to continue not going there, along with the majority of people who post in these threads.
That you're spiteful enough to try to ruin this thread and attract more people back to your normalfag shithole is only going to drive the two or three actual anons away. Keep digging your own grave, you fucking clown.

>>19060552
Hold up, do you think those posters are Japanese?

>>19060595
That's because you're a dumb newfag. Japanese, Korean and Chinese flags on /int/ are not natives as a general rule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060607
>That you're spiteful enough to try to ruin this thread
Huh? What are you on about you paranoid retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060607
Who would go on the internet and lie about their nationality? They're japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060607
>Hold up, do you think those posters are Japanese?
There are two cases if they aren't nips.
>1. A larper is paying out of his ass to ""troll"" people on a dead general
Doesn't sound very likely. Easy to ignore his bad advice once you see it.
>2. He lives in Japan
In which case, it's safe to assume his Japanese is at a decent level.

[Anonymous No.]

>japanese flags on /int/ are all japane-

[Anonymous No.]

はいはい皆さん～
怠慢時間はもう終わりですよ
お勉強に戻ろう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060648
2時だけど、勉強は嫌だ

[Anonymous No.]

Is it ok to say なに～verbいる besides 何してる？ As in something like 何話してる？or 何勉強してる？
I've not come across a native saying this kind of stuff so I'm reluctant to start practicing this in order to avoid starting shitty habits, considering how useful a phrases like these are

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058425
you don't know Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060661
No, it's not. Read Genki you dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060661
Yes, it is. Don't read Genki, you genius.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19058843
>a few months ... reading a grammar book
the actual state of non-read-more learning advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060680
>>19060684
>Genki
This is what learning the language without anki and compelling content becomes: you stare at some list of words for some time then try to read boring ass examples. Then get to class and try to "talk" in broken Japanese with other retards like you using whatever you managed to remember. Academia is traditionalist as all fuck, reading stuff with popup dictionary generating thousands of flashcards with one button is crazy sci-fi nonsense to them. People think I'm full of shit when I try to explain my mining setup and that it actually works. As dumb /djt/ might be, a lot of the regulars here are pretty much Japanese learning vanguard, further than anyone else on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060696
>/djt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060699
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060700
As referenced by the post number linked in my post, you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060709
Wrong answer, bub.

[Anonymous No.]

Genki is garbage, just skim this pastebin written by someone who had their hands down their pants then move on to Tae Jim or JTMW. Start reading real Japanese ASAP and don't isolate yourself from natural/organic input.
https://pastebin.com/492LYNnt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060717
Oh, I see. So you're not actually who I was replying to and only came in to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.]

>[熱い] -> [暑か]った
a couple other some typos but okay overall

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060721
この投稿が割と役に立つ

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone here used this book? If so, what did you think of it?

[Anonymous No.]

>だと思う

[Anonymous No.]

>ttsuube
<picture of cute girl with hearts in her eyes or mouth>

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060549
i will thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>Turns transitive verbs into transitive verbs
another

[Anonymous No.]

How would you guys translate common hentai phrase "腰が抜けそう" to english? I understand what it means but I can't find the right words to not make it sound retarded..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061007
What the fuck is wrong with "weak in the knees"? Rikai literally gives you perfectly good fucking translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061007
knees seem weak, arms seem spaghetti

[Anonymous No.]

>>19060878
Did you need it so much that you decided to post it yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061013
That makes sense, also blame jisho for not redirecting me to the uninflected definition.

[Anonymous No.]

pastebin only takes like an hour and a half to read, most intensive course ever

just needs some typo fixes and a few missing sources added

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061146
What are you on about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061152
the pastebin

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059059
Borrowing a word with a foreign diacritical mark from fellow Europeans, who use the same alphabet, is not quite the same as slapping a Greek letter on wasei eigo.

[Anonymous No.]

how naiive

[Anonymous No.]

This AJATT stuff pushed by Matt is revolutionary. Not sure what this place's deal is with him but I assume it's typical contrarianism. I just switched to my desktop to use Japanese only, and I just pulled up a 24/7 Japanese news stream on another tab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059785
中出しした maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

母の中

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061344
cool but are you reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061355
No I just downloaded RTK, and after a few months of that I'll have to read Tae Kim. Then I'll finally get to reading. But I believe in Matt and AJATT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061357
nice meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061354
Mother's middle school?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061354
Anon, you make me think you're lying about fucking my mother. She would never sleep with somebody whose Japanese is THIS bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061344
Try listening to anime, it's easier to pick out words. Also never take a break from Anki reps. Even if you don't feel like doing ew kanji, always do your reviews every morning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061354
>母の中
で俺の母は最高*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061406
I was memeing dude fuck that balding weirdo and his cult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061395
And I thought she'd never give birth to a son whose English is THAT bad.

[Anonymous No.]

Yo lowercase-kun, how come you suddenly discovered shift and punctuation?

[Anonymous No.]

> all the AJATT, RTK and >manga>reading posts by anons already past the stage where they have to choose how to BEGIN studying Japanese
You do know how pointless it is, given that most of us newfags will just stick to the DJT guide unwilling to get sucked into your shit tornado, right?
I mean, if you want to sound serious and if you actually give a shit about the method you're shilling for, go write a small article and post it on pastebin or something. Otherwise you're just stinking up the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061448
But to do that they'd have to actually know a decent amount of Japanese. Short, repetitive shitposts, on the other hand, can be played off as ``trolling'' that has absolutely nothing to do with their inability to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061448
Just report and ignore them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061448
ここの新人達はもしかしなくても99割ガイドを読む出来ないクソ下手人間です

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061521
>99割

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061521
I'm no expert yet, but this sentence seems ungrammatical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061521
>99割

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061448
There are numerous articles and videos already made for it though. Much much info out there than the whole DJT guide

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061538
>>19061545
it's sarcastic 2ch slang

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061549
ajatt "info" is 95% garbage, just study basic grammar and start reading Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061560
95割*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061564
thanks for the correction my man

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061623
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061632
My guess is the kid has some eye condition and she noticed a development so she proceeded to want to apply some medicine on his eyelid but when she crouched she hit him with the umbrella.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061693
>his
>him

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061693
あぁ。。。なるほど

[Anonymous No.]

Is the guide good enough, or should I try out other methods? Is the duolingo japanese for english speakers any good, after a year of its release?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061714
>>19061693

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061821
>Is the guide good enough
no
>or should I try out other methods?
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061837
are you feeling pessimistic because you couldn't make it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061862
No, I making do with the guide, but its still not good enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061862
you're supposed to use the guide as the foundation for the method you create for yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061884
make do*

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to consistently tell if something is a name? I'm constantly thinking they're just words I don't know and wasting a few minutes trying to work out the nonsense I get when I try to look them up before I realize my mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19062113
Context or it has a honorific attached to it

[Anonymous No.]

If anybody is interested, the currently airing GeGeGe no Kitarou is pretty easy listening material and would probably make for a decent first foray into watching raw anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19062113
Read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19062296
Context often isn't enough for me if there isn't an honorific.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19062113
Learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19062352
>kind
>kinda
LITERALLY

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder to read all kinds of genres and settings in order to broaden your vocab base as much as possible!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061693
日本語じょうずですねぇ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19062519
プンスカ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061310
It's exactly the same. Greek alphabet is a part of JIS X 0208 (and later JIS X 0213), so I see no problem with using it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19052734
Bakemonogatari

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059036
When you have literally thousands of characters making up the general-use subset of your written language, a few dozen more are no biggie.

[Anonymous No.]

what the hell are "taru" adjectives and what does 乎 have to do with them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19062880
Classical Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19062898
I have to finally dedicate some time to study it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19059916
It literally is tho

[Anonymous No.]

お前のお母さんはデブだ

[Anonymous No.]

> Do not point chopsticks completely vertically in a bowl of rice as this resembles burning incense sticks in funerals. Don't pass food with chopsticks because this is how bones are handled.
Is he talking about the kind of bones you give to your dog or human remains?

[Anonymous No.]

>horriblesubs
how impatient are you that you can't wait for blurays

[Anonymous No.]

>>19061560
And listen.

[Anonymous No.]

My Ankidroid suddenly started lagging in between cards. It's really annoying when I can't blaze through my reps.
Anyone know how to fix this? I tried uninstalling/installing and checking database/media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063514
theres been this brand new invention called a pc

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063519
I hate doing reps on a computer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063523

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063523
It's very nice of you to take up the initiative of learning nip at the age of 12.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063115
ひどいことをいわないでください！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063638
最近、力士よりもっと太ったになった気がする

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063664
あれは筋肉の塊ですよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063664
might wanna hit the books a little more before trying again

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063528
>！ら！
>夫なる
>丈みき
>大きで
what the fuck does that mean? the only thing I could understand is 夫なる which probably means "become a husband"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063803
It's Japanese from the future. You don't understand it yet.

[Anonymous No.]

みんなgenki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19063514
I had this problem and for me it was the Japanese font being used. Once I changed it cards were fast again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064097
What font were you using?

[Anonymous No.]

So lads, the common consensus seems to be that you ought to start reading Japanese immediately, now the thing is, what the hell do i read? I suppose manga but u can't so easily take words you don't know from manga and put 'em into anki like i've heard you're supposed to do. Light novels? They seem a bit advanced desu. Should i just grind anki until i can do light novels or what? I suppose i'll read yotsuba at some point for some grammar practise and whatnot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064156
Manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>turtoise/turtle = かめ
>sea turtle = 海がめ
????

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064163
Woah, it's just like in English!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064167

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064156
you cant even think about trying to read until youve watched 10000 hours of anime

[Anonymous No.]

>本　=　ほん
>日本　=　にっぽん
？？？？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064191
That's different because you can also read 日本 asにほん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064167
Yeah dude we say "sea durdle" in English.

[Anonymous No.]

tyler durdle

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064206
The same mysterious mechanics apply.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064191
>にちほん
>にっぽん
>にほん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064163
That happens quite a bit, like how kao becomes egao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064163
that happens quite a bit like how squirtle becomes wartortle

[Anonymous No.]

When should I start learning new words I encounter in manga?
I'm at around 400, so pretty much every panel has at least one unfamiliar word. Doing it right away would make reading manga a chore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064380
how many hours of anime have you watched lifetime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064399
~1048.8

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064191
If I remember correctly, all H-sounds used to be P-sounds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064426
> sounds
I mean "morae"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064050
yeah I'm genki dude
what about anata?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064409
try again at 10000

>>19064486
as for watashi　ゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064050
微積分の教科書を読まないで
終日 日本語を勉強したしまったので
あんまり元気じゃない。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064380
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19051734
I'm curious to know what Japan's "Ulysses" is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064551
What's the more appropriate verb, faggot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064558
Watching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064558
No need for name-calling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064558
No, faggot isn't a verb

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064568
Just calling a spade a spade. Spammers should be permabanned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064568
It's not name-calling, minna wa all gay here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19064535
You deserve fail.

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>>19064594
I won't, but the grade will be lower than it should be.
(I wish I could say that in nip, too, but I'm still a beginner).

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>>19064576
>Just calling a spade a spade.
Then I'm doing the same by correcting people when they say manga is reading. And I have only done it 3 times so far in this thread. That's not spamming unless you also think telling someone with a stupid question to read more is spamming. It's not my fault people keep making the same mistake and/or just don't get it.

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>>19064535
>>19064624
keep gambaruing dude in everything

>>19064578
yeah but you dont gotta be so abrasive as to use the word "faggot" its fairly fucked up dude this is a family friendly christian thread where no one learns nihongo but come to worship regularly regardless

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>>19064640
I appreciate your putting so much effort into your shitposting (no), but high-quality shitposting is still shitposting.
Consider suicide unironically. And go and pick a fight with a bunch of English Literature majors, just say "I watch manga every now and then".

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just remember guys lets not be elitists and put each other down

is what im saying as im walking around the djt classroom pantsing all of you ding dongs on a daily basis

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>>19064691
Not shitposting, I believe manga is reading and call it so myself. If I picked a fight with English majors it would be about their poor choice of a major. Also if you're worried about shitposting in this thread you're going after a very small fish compared to all of the other garbage in here.
>Consider suicide unironically
No need to get so upset. You've gotta learn to just laugh at the pantsing otherwise why even come to this thread? Don't answer that question I won't reply I've had enough of epic owning you and am going back to reading my visual games and watching manga.

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わたしのサインほしいの爆笑

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>爆笑
This is reddit as fuck.

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>>19064156
>So lads, the common consensus seems to be that you ought to start reading Japanese immediately
No it's not. The guide is sensible. The thread is full of shitposting and contrarians. Read the guide and use your brain to deduce the learning scheme that would suit you the best, then join the thread with shitposting about how everyone who doesn't do exactly what you do are dekinai. The usual routine.

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>>19064897
much like your posting

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can you guess which side this thread falls on

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>>19064565

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>>19064918
Speaking of reddit posting.

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>>19064929
you must go to reddit alot tell me more or dont and just go back there and do your part to improve \djt\ for epic win

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>>19064919
you could just give smiling a go lei innit : )

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>>19064938
The reddit reposting friends teach me enough on daily basis without me having to go there.

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>>19064945
so you admit youre just saying shit you have no idea about firsthand then

thats very in line for a djt poster

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>>19064565
Try learning English.

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>>19064191
>Mathew
>Matt

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What exactly does the construction ままになる convey? (3rd panel)

まま expresses a lack of change ("still"), while なる expresses an explicit change ("become"), and so used in conjunction they appear to contradict.

My best guess is:
目が開いたまま = "eyes still open"
+ になってる = "becoming that his eyes stay open" ?

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>>19065250
>trying to translate instead of understanding
dekinai

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Has anyone ever made an Anki deck with Japanese grammar terms? (Like 感動詞, 接続詞, 未然形, etc.) I'm in the process of making one myself (with simple definitions, for people (including me) who have no idea what's going on when they hear "imperfective form") and I might share it afterwards if anyone's interested.

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>>19065264
Sounds useless considering I know English grammar yet have no idea what the grammar constructs are named.

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>>19065274
I don't want to solely rely on experience, I want to know how exactly the language works, especially the hard grammar theory, considering I want to delve into Classical Japanese at some point.

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>>19065250
For posterity:

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I'm drunk and still have to do my Anki reviews

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>>19065250
as for the eyes they are becoming still unshut

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any issues with newest version of anki? Haven't studied in a while and update popup appeared.

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>>19065291
Nothing you said makes any sense. You won't realize until you fail

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>>19065322
It was my birthday yesterday so I slacked on my studying and now I'm so cripplingly hung over I'm going to half ass it today.

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>>19065291
Judging by my experience with English (second language), you can't learn grammar in school. It's impossible without practicing. Read about rules, read a lot, look up stuff you aren't sure of and go back to reading.

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>>19065488
What do people mean by "studying"? I see this shit all the time, but after you've read a grammar book, what other studying do you do?

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It is literally impossible to tell when hiragana is part of a word or when it's a particle. It is impossible to tell when a word begins and when it ends. Even Yomichan gives a dozen interpretations of a set of 5 characters depending on which random combination of characters the program highlights, so beginning to "read" Japanese with dozens of lines by relying on a translator program is just impossible. I think everyone in this thread is just pretending to understand Japanese. It's impossible to "start reading" with little to no vocab because it is impossible to figure out what something is saying in a way that you could remember while you struggle to find the correct interpretation while sliding your cursor back and forth, hoping Yomichan just happens to get it right. And figure it out based on context? Please. There are too many definitions thrown under too many combinations of the characters, and it's just a bunch of random lines you could never remember.

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>>19065291
>I want to know how exactly the language works
Grammar theory is an approximation and no one actually knows how a language works, it's just a gut feeling that native or highly fluent speakers have. Grammar theory is useful when you have no fucking clue what you're looking at. It is not useful for having a true understanding of the subtlety of using one grammatical construct over another.

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>>19065525
why arent you working on your anime 10k hours right now

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>>19065525
生憎このままじゃさすがに出来ないな

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>>19065542
Merely listening wouldn't teach me anything beyond a few words like sore or ore, and maybe making it easier to discern sounds. But 10k hours of naked listening isn't worth all that.

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When you go to far with your writing.

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>>19065551
>Sorry but as things are and as one would expect, you are able.
I'm going to assume there's some modifier in there that actually makes it mean "you aren't able", and that you're referring to Japanese. But Yomichan does not indicate that "Japanese" or "speak" or anything like that is in those random lines.

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>>19065542
2k is plenty for basic understanding.

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>>19065525
I hope you don't actually read posts in japanese from this thread.

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>>19065525
こと, を, ～ない, で, and ください should pop out to anyone who has read, what, 15% of Tae Kim? Was こと a little further in?
Don't use Yomichan, use your brain. It's quite the tool.

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>>19065587
10000 hours non negotiable before you can even entertain the idea of reading a single chinese house drawing or cute kana

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its just a bit over a year

if you honestly dont already have that before coming here you really are otaku poser scum

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>>19065590
こと actually pops up before ください, i think

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>>19065590
>It's quite the tool
So is anon.

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>>19065525
>saladfags take another victim
さすが

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How come there are a million sites for reading English manga online but not raws? I'm sometimes lazy and don't feel like downloading

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>>19065684
i bet you learned that from anime
take that this guy >>19065557

you can make sick epic burns like this (苦笑い) and many more once you complete your 10000 hours of anime

then you can tell all the fools still hovering over every bit text to decipher it much more slowly and inaccurately than google translate あなたに干渉する暇は一秒もない and leave them in your 煙

you love anime just watch it and become epic at nihongo

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>>19065557
I learnt all my grammar and most of my vocabulary from watching anime

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>make fun of weebs who claim they learned nip from watching anime
>try to push the same method to unsuspecting newbies
At least make it believable.

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you dont have to be a anime boy forever but its definitely relevant to most peoples goals here right??????

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>>19065783
You don't know japanese

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>>19065495
>>19065448
This thread fried your brain. I am reading for 4 hours every day, I can read medium-level light novels easily. I just want to get more knowledgeable about the language itself, but apparently this thread is not for discussion above "read more", seeing as you people consider everyone who wants to do something more than reading a beginner. Knock yourself out with your moege.

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>>19065820
I guess the Japanese I've chatted and spoken with just spent hours on me while neither side understood eachother

I wonder why they spend so many hours on it and came back for more

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>>19065835
>>19065877
靴の紐が結べない

キミはどうやって靴紐を結んでいるんですか

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>>19065893
何でいきなり靴紐の結び方の話になった？

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わたしがそう言ったから

まあああああ いまさらもういいんですけど

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>>19066165
>まあああああ
お前マットかい

[Anonymous No.]

それはまあ

はい わたしはマアアアアアアットです

まあああ patreonもよろしくね

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>>19066229
You can only dream of being as fluent as that.

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>>19066246
you can only dream of my chin chin scraping the back of your nodo

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>>19066253
Was that self-deprecating humor?

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when is it ever not