DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1968

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Last thread: >>19459203

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I will learn Japanese!

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thanks to anon who answered my question about モテまくるわけない
is まくる a grammar that can be used in formal occasion?

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wtf is with these cute ass ウナギ　on NHK news?

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>>19467175

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>>19467175
>>19467176

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So who trolled the Japanese people into making themselves a language with five sounds in it?

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>>19467196
Fucking retard.

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If a writer writes 必殺技（ひっさつぎ）, what does that imply?

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>>19467209

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>>19467213
Yes, that's ひっさつわざ.

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Is this even kanji?

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>>19467215
Is this a raid?

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>>19467164
No. "～まくる" is a casual expression.

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子どもが安全にインターネットを利用できるようにする

インターネットを利用して、メッセージでほかの人と交流している子どもがたくさんいます。しかし、子どもに「裸の写真を撮って送れ」と言う犯罪が増えています。インターネットで自殺の相談をしたら相手に殺された事件もありました。

１７歳以下の子どもがインターネットを安全に利用できるように、政府はこれから３年で行うことをまとめました。

メッセージのウェブサイトの会社に警察から必要な情報を知らせて、犯罪が起こらないようにします。そして、自殺のやり方などをメッセージに書いてはいけないと規則で決めるように会社に言うことにしています。

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>>19467307
>子どもに「裸の写真を撮って送れ」と言う犯罪が増えています
Fuck. The world of the internet is getting more and more dangerous for children. Outside of constant monitoring, which is unlikely for working parents, what can one do to ensure the online safety of children?

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>>19467215
evenのいみはわかんないけど

>>19467215
ぺきんごとか

かんとんごとか

たいわんごとか

そっち

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>>19467307
Wasn't this an NHK EASY article just a few days ago?

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>tfw you mostly listen to japanese in yakuza eiga, dorama and geemu so my inner voice is a middle aged gangster

what do I do to shake this habit so i don't start accidentally using この野郎 when i start production one day

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>>19467352
こわーい

どのアニメ？

オルガ？

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>>19467352
Be more diverse in your consumption, of course.

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>>19467352
エロゲを

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>>19467401
Quick, give me an eroge in which either I'm a middle-aged gangster or one of the choices is a middle-aged gangster.

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>>19467405
役立てないな

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>>19467401
エロゲにかえりなさい

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>>19467424
いやここだよ

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is it gay if it's cute when girls say オレ
pick
what are some media to read and watch where girls say ore

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>唐突
>不意
>不図
>突然
>突如
>どっと
>ぐっと
>ふっと

this is getting complicated

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いきなり
ピッタリ
etc

japanese has way too many of these, i stopped mining them around the 20th unique one

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>>19467507
Danganronpa's Iruma Miu says 俺様. Will that do?

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がっかり

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>>19467507
I like it.

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A meal a day or you're a bitch and can't learn Japanese.

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Is yomichan down for anyone else? I can't seem to be able to get it scan anything

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>>19468022
So this is the power of cloud computing.

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>>19468022
You gonna have to get used to not using Yomichan, anon.

成長しましょ!

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>>19468050
Making cards without it is a huge pain though.

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>>19468085
You gonna have to get used to not using flashcards, anon.

卒業しよう!

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>>19467352
stop falling for dumb memes like AJATT

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>>19468085
>huge pain
I thought pain is necessary for learning

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>>19468145
I wonder if anyone is gonna fall for this bait.

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>>19468022
Works fine for me. Both the audio and the scanning.

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>>19468145
Man memorizes the Japanese dictionary, doesn't speak Japanese.

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>>19468174
I spent like 5 minutes working on that, if nobody's falling for it I'm just going to go back to doing that huge pain of new card generation.

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>>19468145
It would literally be more efficient to just play games in Japanese and write down all the jargon you can't pronounce until you can pronounce it than to do this.

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日本語能力試験に合格しなくてはいけません

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>>19468145
>this much useless information on your cards

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>>19468195
False. I understand everything I watch / read, but failed n2 last time. Tests are for delusional people who want to think they know Japanese.

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>>19468145
You literally only need to have 嘆かわしい on front and なげかわしい on back. Everything else is useless information. You only need to know how it is read, not some vague English translations and bad example sentences.

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>>19468195
>日本語能力試験
So the most kanji I can read and understand is 7.

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>>19468204
>failed n2

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枢機卿

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>>19468195
しなきゃ*

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>>19468195
I feel like going for N1 this december. Do you think 8 months of reading VNs will be enough to pass it?

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>>19468194
I'll move on to the more efficient method once I get to 3k words, which is what I believe the guide recommends

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>>19468208
wrong he won't as easily remember the context in which that wording is used. vocab is only half the battle in language learning the other half is knowing what fits together and the easiest way to remember these patterns is mining whole sentences. DJT will always be wrong about this.

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>>19468208
>english translation is unnecessary
Oh, come on

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>>19468208
how would i know what it means

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>>19468232
>the easiest way to remember these patterns is reading. DJT will always be right about this.
ftfy

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>>19468204
>I understand everything I watch / read, but failed n2 last time
それならアンタはできない
>>19468230
>once I get to 3k words, which is what I believe the guide recommends
It doesn't. The person who pushes that is a compulsive liar. People recommend many values anything from 500 to 2500 or 4000 to 10000, but 3000 words is not a common recommendation.

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>>19468233
helpful but ultimately unnecessary
the only part that is vital is the reading
after a long vacation from anki i have come to agree with their philosophy on this matter, it's incredibly easy to learn meaning from immersion, but not reading

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>>19468204
漫画とアニメ翻訳者になりたいので、日本語能力試験に合格しなくてはいけません

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>>19468247
reading is essential but mining sentences helps for the same reason mining vocab can help

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>>19468253
Only if you want to go pro

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>>19468253
>wanting to be a "professional" translator

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>>19468194
>not being able to pronounce japanese
Imagine being this much of an EOP

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>>19468187
>doesn't speak Japanese
I thought /djt/ was heavily against production

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How do I get over the seething hatred I feel every time I see anglos that get to live in Japan as an 英会話 monkey that doesn't know Japanese only because they were born in a certain country when I have to sweat and bleed working on a STEM degree and learning Japanese at the same time to maybe be able to get a soulcrushing riiman job for half the salary they'd pay me if I got a job here.

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>>19468276
"speak(s) <language>" is English for "knows <language> well enough to be able to speak it"

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>>19468277
you have to lie to yourself and pretend you wouldn't enjoy japan anyway.

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>>19468270
- that's not what eop means
- you have extremely bad english if you think that "pronounce" meant "articulate sounds with the mouth" there

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>>19468276
Against production before you know the language, yes. But if you can read and listen freely, then you can speak.

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>>19468277
You can't. Just finish what you're doing so you can hurry up and realize it's shit and go be rich in your home country with your newly acquired skills.

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>>19468277
Geez dude I don't like dancing monkeys either but chill, english teachers are basically just tourists. Do you get angry at tourists for being tourists too?

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>>19468191
Wow people actually fell for it. Good job I gave people here way too much credit.

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>>19468295
To be honest, tourists are among the lowest forms of scum.

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>>19468299
I did it intentionally because I thought I had something even funnier to say. I hope you appreciate it.

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>>19468295
Absolutely.
Have you never encountered tourists in your life?

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>>19468299
It's worth it thinking up like 6 things to search to put in the other tabs.

Also that youtube link is a rickroll, because I stopped growing mentally in 2008

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>>19468145
Author of this bait here. First off, I'd like to thank everyone for the (you)s. I'd also like to thank my parents who let me stay in their house while I wrote this joke. I can honestly say that I couldn't have done it without them. I started writing it sometime in early November. Of course, it has changed a lot since the first draft. I even had to change it a little today before posting to make it fit the context of the current situation. Anyway, I'm glad you all enjoyed this post as much as I enjoyed writing it!

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>>19468283
- Yes it does, americans, especially, can not help contorting foreign languages
- Take your bullet lists to reddit

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>somebody finds out you a learning japanese
>"say something in japanese"

what do you say?

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>>19468343
kawaii neko suki

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>>19468343
say わたしはゲイです

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>>19468343
don't tell anyone

I didn't, except my parents, who told the whole extended family and I'm definitely not going to any "obligatory" event ever again

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>>19468338
You don't know English.

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>>19468343
中出しの楽しみ

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>>19468343
なんでやねん
Proceed to explain to them why 関西弁 is the best until they walk away.

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>>19468343
watasha namae, bobby desu. choshoku oneigashimasu!

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>>19468343
>"why are you learning Japanese?"

what do you say?

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>>19468343
なにか

Then just do your best dad laugh.

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>>19468356
i hope one of the reasons is because then you can use 儂 and 我 because that's why it's the best dialect

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>>19468351
I know that feel. I'm such a loser that my parents have to find some positive attribute to brag about so they'd definitely tell everyone I'm learning Japanese if I told them.

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>>19468343
toomoimasu

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>>19468326
What was the change?

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>>19468380

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>tfw you notice your thought patterns molding and you say things like ", i think" at the end of sentences

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>>19468408
>>19468387

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と思う

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>>19468408
>noticing yourself become beta

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>>19468408
>tfw starting most of sentences with "i think" even before knowing anything about japanese
It's like I was destined to be a weeb

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>>19468426
He can't become a beta if he was a beta from the beginning

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>>19468362
Unless you're planning to move to a country where they speak a certain language, or you need to for your job, Japanese is one of the languages with the most compelling content at all difficulty levels.

Like, I could start learning German and I'd pick it up pretty soon because it's close to English, but I'm not planning on moving to Germany and aside from some literature and cinema there's not much to justify learning the language. My friend's learning German, and all he reads to git gud at it are things like Harry Potter translated into German, which just seems pointless. I guess once you're good at it you can graduate into reading more compelling stuff, but with Japanese this isn't necessary because there's tons of Japanese stuff aimed at kids and young adults that's actually worth reading.

But if you don't want to tell anyone that you like video games or cartoons I probably wouldn't tell them I'm learning Japanese, either.

Also I usually say that I wanted a challenge and that I'm going on vacation to Japan soon (which is true) if I don't want to go into too much detail.

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if you watch enough yakuza movies your (japanese) personality will become that of a chad and you can start your life all over again in the land of the rising sun

>>19468455
name 5 good german movies other than nekromantik, i bet you can't even do that.

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>>19468283
>>19468353
One of the many reasons why japs despise ameriturds so much is their clowny Japanese pronunciation. Frogs and portuguese for instance are naturally much better, oh and they don't often act like complete scumbags in public places.

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>>19468353
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

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>>19468498
t. huehue

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>>19468455
Just lie and tell them you're interested in Japanese history and want to read about it from the Japanese perspective.

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>>19468498
Don't you have an /int/ thread to fill with your personal garbage?

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>>19468520
>/jp/ - american culture general

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>>19468498
Your disdain for Americans is weird and irrelevant to this thread.

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>>19468526
>>>/int/

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>>19468362
Because there is a lot of untranslated literature I want to read.

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>>19468527
I don't think it's weird but I agree that it's pretty irrelevant

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>>19468498
I wonder if other non-East Asians have good pronunciation of Japanese.

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>>19468534
>"Because there is a lot of untranslated literature I want to read"
>"oh yeah? like what?"
>*sweats furiously*

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>>19468544
Porn is high art.

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>>19468465
Yeah that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they don't have any but it's not like with the Japanese, who really produce an immense amount of media, especially relative to the size of the country.

The Chinese produce a lot of stuff, too, but most of it's not realy interesting unless you really like communist cinema.

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>>19468560
Taiwan is a good Japan-lite.

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>>19468527
99% of the posts in these threads are irrelevant, yet you cry about burgers being rightfully mocked for the subhumans they are.
Your country should be rangebanned.

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>>19468544
>中出しの喜び
>oh really? never heard of that book
>it's pretty obscure literature, I would be more surprised if you knew it
>that's cool, good luck with your japanese studies!
then you do a 360 degree turn and continue on with your day like nothing happened

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korea is the real japan-lite though, taiwan is a good third

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>>19468527
Your opinion on anon's disdain for Americans is irrelevant period.

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>>19468573
Korea is a bad japan-lite, that's the thing.

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>>19468544
>It's about the peer pressure coming from your own family, forcing a person to stay away from his hobbies. The pressure is so severe he even contemplated violence against his family.
>As someone growing up in a very liberal family, it's an eye-opening experience

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>>19468578
What's the difference between a good japan-lite and a bad japan-lite

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>>19468584
How fucked up your society is.

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>>19468585
Still don't get it mate
Are you implying that taiwan is not fucked up and korea is fucked up

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>name 5 good german movies other than nekromantik, i bet you can't even do that.
You seem to not know about my personal collection of Hitler documentaries I have recorded from NTV *meinen Kopf schüttelnd*

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>>19468597
South korea is legendary levels of fucked up. Taiwan is still fucked up, but nowhere near as bad.

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Good morning :-)

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>>19468578
most korean drama are better than dorama, and many good dorama are remakes of korean shows like my boss my hero and the good doctor, also korean idol culture is at least as good if not better, and manhwa isn't that bad

that being said korea has no history and no anime, and they don't really use kanji so japan reigns superior

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>>19468599
Those might be great documentaries, but are they great movies?

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>>19468605
Why do you keep switching between Japanese and English?

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>>19468605
tl;dr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8LxORztUWY

Note that the introduction makes the speaker seem like a radical leftist but this is not the case.

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>>19468610
NONONONONONONONONONONONONNONONO
NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN

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>>19468605
Don't forget about kimchi, the best thing korea has to offer.

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>>19468578
Korea is a cultural satellite state of the US. Complain about Japan all you want, but no Eastern culture has forgotten its traditional culture
and emulated the West more than Korea.

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>>19468498
The French can't even pronounce English properly, and they do often act like complete scumbags. They're not as loud as Americans but they are as scummy. Especially in their own country.

I only know one Portuguese person personally, and she's a huge bitch. I lived next to a Portuguese family for a year, and they were basicaly gypsies.

It's a moot point anyways because French people won't even learn English (even if in any other country it'd be obligatory for their job, like when you have to work with foreigners often), let alone Japanese.

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>>19468619
This used to be the case but it turned into its own monstrosity once it was let loose because of how hard the US fucked up its government. It's really sad, I feel bad for them.

This is completely off topic though.

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>>19468607
That depends. Does "Downfall" count as a documentary?

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>>19468613
>uses phrases like "Late Capitalism"
>not a radical leftist

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>>19468628
"Late Capitalism" is a centrist concept. You're thinking of "end-stage capitalism".

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>>19468619
My brother korea never had a real culture, if they're a cultural satellite of the US now then before they were just a cultural satellite of China. They literally call themselves "Han people"

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Can anyone tell me why my Anki looks like this

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>>19468634
>"Late capitalism" is a term used by Marxists to refer to capitalism from about 1945 onwards, with the implication that it is due to come to an end.

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>>19468642
F

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>>19468642
it's telling you not to use it

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>>19468649
You edited out the "citation needed". It used to be used by marxists, several decades ago, but it became appropriated by centrists, and radical leftists moved to using "end-stage capitalism".

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>>19468642
It's trying to send you a sign. It's up to you to interpret it.

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>おっけ
>okay
woah... I never knew japanese would be so easy...

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>>19468668
This seems like a really easy way to mine words. Seems too easy.

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>>19468668
You fucked up. Should have installed Opera.

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>>19468668
Are the discord and osu toolbar shortcuts also part of the joke?

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>>19468668
It's actually おく.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey /djt/, I've been studying Japanese for about five months, and I wanted to know what everyone's daily study routines look like.

A typical study session for me is:

WaniKani review
KaniWani review
Manga-Sensei's 30-Day Challenge
Japanese Pod 101 lessons

Some days I'll add in some flashcards using Anki, but this has been my routine recently. Been thinking about working through Genki 1 too, maybe replacing Manga-Sensei. I always worry I'm not studying "smartly" enough or using my time effectively.

What does your study routine look like, and how long do you study for? What have you found works well for you, and what hasn't?

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The above post is a repost from reddit.

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>>19468709
This is a reddit repost.

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i recommend you stop visiting reddit and stay here so that you can put the last nail in the coffin and truly ensure that you never learn japanese

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>>19468623
>The French can't even pronounce English properly
While this isn't wrong, this doesn't have ANYTHING to do with Japanese pronunctiation. Oh, and while the French may not be able to pronunce English correctly, your average Frog knows a lot more English than your average Burger knows French.

>Especially in their own country.
Again, this is completely irrelevant. We're talking about Japanese people's perception of each country.

>I only know one Portuguese person personally, and she's a huge bitch.
You don't actually think one or two isolated sample(s) can accurately represent an entire population, do you? Surely you can't be that stupid.

>French people won't even learn English [...] let alone Japanese
American people won't even learn French [...] let alone Japanese
See I can be retarded too.

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Has anyone here did self study before college and then went to a higher level course in their first year?

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I have been looking through the year one Japanese course material for my university, and it is pretty lame (like less than 100 kanji and 'basic' grammar).

Ive been self studying for a year and am around halfway through KKLC and finished with the Genki books, so I dont want to be in a class where it feels like im wasting my time. However, the placement test to get into a higher level class is an interview, and (as may be expected) I havent actually talked to anyone in Japanese before (just via text and talking to myself lol).

What do you guys think, has this kind of thing worked for any of you in the past?

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>>19468668
what is that yomichan window

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>>19468718
This is a reddit repost.

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>>19468729
Sorry, I don't frequent redd*t so I wouldn't know.

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>>19468718
>your average Frog knows a lot more English than your average Burger knows French.
i wonder why that is

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>>19468718
French speakers encounter more situations where it would be beneficial for them to speak English than vice-versa, though. But they still refuse.

Point is that Americans can and do learn Japanese. I've never heard of a French person learning the language.

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>>19468758
>Point is that Americans can and do learn Japanese. I've never heard of a French person learning the language.
[citation needed]
And before you reply with yet another garbage post, your own personal, biased experience can't be used as evidence.

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>>19468780
he doesn't need a citation for his observation. you sound like a collegefag who parrots what he learned in class at the wrong times

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>>19468789
I'm not questioning his observations, but he sure as hell can't use these observations as evidence or make them the basis of his arguments. I mean he can, but don't expect anyone with half a brain to take those at face value.

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>>19468343

> coworker finds out
> talks about his trip to Japan
> really cool stuff
> every now and then asks me about how I'm doing

He's a little concerned that I don't know as many travel phrases, but that's fine. I'm focusing on vocab and grammar and tiptoeing through the reading phase.

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>>19468862
Just recite 般若心経 and he won't ever doubt you again.

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>>19468895
>yomichan doesn't have audio for this
i'm scared

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みんな元気?

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>>19468923
How early into learning Japanese are you that this surprised you?

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>>19468940
haven't even started learning yet senpai.

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>>19468923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbcW5L91HzY
here you go

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>>19468946
RTK? Anyway you'll know something is the real deal when even Forvo doesn't have audio for it.

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>>19468939
自慰したい

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>>19468965
>self consolation (can't read katakana)
You want to pat yourself on the back?

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>>19468977
Good post.

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anon-san tachi , a question:

「部屋に歩く」means walk to the room

「部屋を歩く」means to walk in the room , right?

does using a place as a direct object of a motion verb make the sentence roughly translate to "motion IN the place" ? if not , what are some examples of that not being the case?

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Using を with intransitive verbs of motion indicates motion across/through or within the noun, and can only be used with certain kinds of nouns or as part of special phrases.

[Anonymous No.]

I know this isn't related to Japanese but, do you guys use any other generally useful or interesting Anki decks about general everyday shit?

スレに関係するために日本語にも書こうかな
よぉみんな日本語以外になにかほかのアンキデック使うか？
何年ぶり使ったことないけど、便利そうというか、ただまた使いたくなったというか、とりあえずあるなら教えてね

[Anonymous No.]

部屋へ歩く
へぇ〜？

[Anonymous No.]

none of them were good but like 3 of my memes have gotten stolen in DJT so far and it pisses me off.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't even use Anki for Japanese. If I was in school I would use it, but I'm not, it's better to learn things naturally.

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自分の道を進め

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>>19469024
I see, thanks. is 「部屋」 one of those special nouns , or is the second sentence incorrect?

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>>19469034
"to advance in my own road"?

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If you google the second sentence in quotes you will find people using it. Generally speaking, if a three-word (counting particles) phrase consists entirely of extremely common words, googling it will indicate whether it's grammatical, because if it's never used despite all three words being extremely common, there are probably rules against it, even if we don't know them.

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>>19469033
Anki is pretty awful for Japanese when it comes to anything other than beginner level, even looking back at my mined decks I can't believe how many ridiculously specific and useless words I used to add

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>>19469060
sounds like youre ready to scanlate

[Anonymous No.]

I mean it's useful for force-feeding yourself obscure jargon too but its usefulness there is extremely limited too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469063
It's your fault for being stupid and autistic, not anki's.

[Anonymous No.]

>read the lyrics of a cheerful-sounding song
>lyrics is about unreciprocated love due to inability to express your feelings
oh for fuck's sake

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469068
can yomichan be used on scanlation pictures

[Anonymous No.]

>used to add every single word with new kanji until I hit like 2200
>600 of my kanji are some obscure 3000+ fish that are always written in kana

Anki is a meme don't do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469080
dont worry i got your back mate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqeCTikOn-4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469087
You're gonna need Kanjitomo for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469095
>not wanting to know 6000 kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469079
I'm not blaming anki, hence why I want to use it for something but can't think of what

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469095
>he doesn't want to pas kanken 1 instead of learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLY02DtvBjg

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469107
I mean i do but there's no point grinding obscure archaic architecture kanji you see less than once a year when you haven't read even a single light novel from cover to cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469095
I don't understand how people can be so stupid as to add obscure words if they don't actually care about obscure words. Or maybe it's just trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469102
unironically thanks anon, I stopped reading because of the kanji and shit quality scans where no furigana was visible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469136
it's an extension of the logic that leads to doing rtk or rtk3, the belief that the rest of japanese will be easier if you "know" a shitload of kanji, and when that belief fades you realize what a huge waste of time it was when you could have been learning words that enable you to actually read basic japanese

[Anonymous No.]

why the fuck is it 「友達に会った」 and not
「友達をあった」?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469108
>Anki is pretty awful for Japanese
If that's not blaming Anki I'd like to know what is.
Anki is used to make you remember "things" more easily. It's certainly not Anki's fault that you compulsively mine useless/obscure words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469136
Completionist mentality strong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469144
kanjitomo is hit or miss and unironically stop reading manga if you want to get good

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469158
Because your 友達 also you に 会う

[Anonymous No.]

>>19468145
Jumanji is the shit

>>19469144
>>19469177
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469162
>when it comes to anything other than beginner level

Obviously it's great for starting level shit like kana and basic vocab, but once you're past that level you shouldn't be wasting your time, reading native material has a far higher retention rate and the added benefit of grammar exposure

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469158
クソ野郎に騙された

[Anonymous No.]

if 友達 is a single friend is the plural 友達達

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469177
will LN be a better option?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469187
LN or VN are generally better, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469180
sorry should i have put it in scare quotes to appease your autism
>>19469187
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469187
Read Kino no Tabi, not only is it amazing but it also uses very simple Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469195
>やさしい
I have a suspicion that Jamal doesn't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469187
Especially paper portion, so you're making it harder to look up kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469209
please go on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469207
And then the 自由報道の国 slaps you in the face with all the formal speech

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469209
i have a stronger suspicion that you don't but please explain yourself so that we can clear this up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469228
Pretend my post was
>優しい

I fucked up the IME conversion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469184
>>19469178
wouldnt 俺の友達私を会う？
and why wouldnt I　クソ野郎を騙される？
all I understand is that 「に」marks a target. this is very confusing please explain

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469238
>all I understand is that 「に」marks a target
Grammar of any language is not perfectly logical. Just think of all the shit going on in English. You gotta memorize it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469207
>>19469211
>>19469200
>>19469197
>>19469187
I will read kino no tabi then, I was always interested so that's a plus. would you recommend a VN that also uses simple japanese ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469238
If there's a possibility the verb can be done both from you to the object and the object to you at the same time, you can use に.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469237
please go on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469237
i'm not the man himself but i interpreted that as an intentional choice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469224
Yeah I definitely just skipped over that when I first read it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19467282
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469261
I don't know, I'm pretty sure he just converted it to the first non-hiragana option without thinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469254
does that always work or is it very case-specific?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469238
Because the クソ野郎 deceived you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469157
then why do so many people who have done RTK swear by its utility. even people who didn't initially do it but went back and did it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469264
I need to power myself to not just skip dense texts in LN's pages, I feel like I'm cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469285
there is nothing that "always works" in grammar, everything is subject to the conventions of the words you are choosing to express what you want to express

read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469252
Choose whatever you find interesting. Kino no Tabi is a common recommendation because it's simple, good and very well known due to the anime. Though if you want a simple VN, moege is your best bet.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm doing RTK even though I already know Japanese. If you can't write you may as well be an EOP :)

[Anonymous No.]

RTK is a spectacularly bad way to learn how to write if you know Japanese and if you knew Japanese and looked at RTK you would know that.

[Anonymous No.]

good thing no one here has that problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469287
many people have a hard time admitting that they wasted months
this isn't about whether studying kanji is valuable, this is about whether studying 2000+ kanji before knowing japanese is valuable
there probably is utility in studying 200-500 very early on and if you want to write there is utility in going further when you already know japanese (although using rtk for this process implies you're not at that point and you're wasting your time)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469286
so 「に」here works as "by" or?

[Anonymous No.]

Here's a foolproof way to learn how to write kanji: write them a lot. That's it, you don't need to do RTK bullshit or anything

[Anonymous No.]

the に works as に

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like RTK is pretty worthless until you hit the writing stage, which for me was basically the reading stage as well. Better off as a beginner doing Kanji Radicals with your vocabulary learning and waiting to worry about stroke order using a chart to write the Kanji correctly when you get to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469252
Flyable Heart pretty much reads itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469356
I mean, most VNs read itself, what with its dialogues being voiced.

[Anonymous No.]

every game does if you put auto mode on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469315
Except I actually do know Japanese which is how I know from your post that you don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

That's funny, because you don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Funny guy, but you still don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

I never said I know Japanese. Why are you so insecure as to project what people expose about you onto others?

[Anonymous No.]

imagine pretending to know japanese when you've made it perfectly clear that you don't

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469373
i actually do know japaneseに対して根拠を提示することはできますか

[Anonymous No.]

me japanese at all know not, but for sure english knowing I is.

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine being so stupid you genuinely think rote learning is more efficient than learning with mnemonics/context

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine being so stupid you genuinely think that mnemonics are context and also that mnemonics aren't rote learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469252
Don't be discouraged if you still have trouble reading it even though it's known as being "simple", it's still likely to give you difficulty

[Anonymous No.]

imagine being so stupid that you genuinely think that associating kanji with english words is more efficient than building on japanese words that use the kanji which you've already learned

[Anonymous No.]

if youve never read anything and go to read kinos you deserve what you get

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469415
If your "mnemonic" reflects the nature/internal structure of a fact (which RTK's done) then it's not an mnemonic. If your "mnemonic" does not reflect the nature/internal structure of a fact then it's a tool for rote learning because it's not learning through comprehension/experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469406
I've read over 50 novels including by many classic Japanese authors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469425
well of course, I expect reading a few pages to take hours desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469427
Kanji are concepts, you tie them to concepts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxTdbpw07Pw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469451
Good lad

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469449
日本語で返事しなさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469468
OK hotshot, how many novels in Japanese have you read?
>>19469476
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469452
it helps to tie them to concepts that are actually used in japanese instead concepts that you will forget in the end

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469502
you might wanna google that if you think it's fake japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469502
日本語でおk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469502

As many as this teacher.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469522
Why did you just respond to yourself, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469452
Kanji are not concepts. Kanji are ways to spell morphemes. Morphemes have meanings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469505
I'm not laughing at you because I think it's "fake Japanese," I'm laughing at you because you think talking in Genki-tier Japanese sentences on 4chan proves anything or has any kind of use whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469418
imagine being so stupid you don't know what "mnemonic" means

>>19469427
imagine thinking the point of RTK is associating kanji with english words

>>19469443
????????

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469545
元気の程度ならこれでどう？
これ　は　ペン　です

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469522
im tryin to picture jorge先生 takin a nasty ass riff off a huge ass bong on the ベランダ wearing that shirt

>>19469545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqgNHa6X4E

[Anonymous No.]

This is an English-language imageboard. If you think you can actually communicate in Japanese, then go post on 2ch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469585
stfu retard

[Anonymous No.]

no u

[Anonymous No.]

i don't know if it's worse to think that baby-tier japanese is valuable to communicate in, or to complain about someone posting baby-tier japanese that you can't read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OYjQ5FDqyI

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469607
いあめてくどさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469315
>RTK is a spectacularly bad way to learn how to write
then why do people who already know japanese choose RTK over whatever method you'd advocate for? did you know with RTK you could learn to memorize how to write 25+ kanji a day in an hour? do you know of a more efficient method?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469626
writing individual kanji isn't writing japanese

[Anonymous No.]

None of you losers know enough Japanese to be able to come up with something that I wouldn't be able to read, tbqh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469630
Ooooh my goooood you're sooo retaaaaaarded stooooooop pooooooooooooooooooooooooosting

[Anonymous No.]

same tbqh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469632
https://vocaroo.com/?upload

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469427
>associating kanji with english words
you can associate kanji with japanese words if you already know japanese. heisig's method is still the most efficient because of the stories you make with the keywords and components. every time someone here claims it's an efficient way to learn to write and i ask for a more efficient method they never respond. are you telling me you could memorize how to write 25 kanji in correct stroke order in an hour using the method you advocate? i bet not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469653
thats made in china you fuck reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469645
You do realize every single language on that test is the same and the right answers are on the same order and you can literally just do that test in whatever language you're fluent in and jot down what answer you inputted and get the same result in Japanese later right? This doesn't prove shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469632
遠慮しないでください
逆に闘魂をむき出しにして勝負を宣戦布告

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469662
its like you got the joke but forgot to laugh and instead took it seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469669
your jokes are shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469674
much like your posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469657
I learned to write 100 2-kanji words in three hours earlier today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469657
if it's still "heisig's method" to avoid english (which is debatable), i'll give into the claim that it's effective to memorize composition of kanji
it still doesn't teach you which words contain which kanji which is what actually fucking matters for writing though
>in correct stroke order
if you know 300-500 kanji you know the stroke order for 98% of kanji, this isn't a feat
>in an hour
that's not what all of the anki stats that rtkers post suggests

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469660
no it's not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469632
Conversational Japanese is piss easy to understand, no ones gunna go full hipster mode and type some obscure poem shit at you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469686
made by the fuckin chinese in a sweatshop reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469689
Do you mean like this? >>19469653

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469696
The reason he posted that as a screenshot is that he doesn't know enough Japanese to be able to type it out in a reasonable amount of time.

[Anonymous No.]

you know most of muramasa is actually recited in english so i wonder if you could use all that rtk to your advantage..

思考中の顔 emoji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469707
Writing anything that isn't mostly conversational is incredibly annoying and takes a lot of time because you have to fuck with your IME to get the right kanji out of it.

You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469713
wow, another reason for japan to reform their garbage writing system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469653
Ohhh my god ohh my good god fuuuck

I've spend some time writing down the kanji in >>19469686 (狭量悪辣卑劣外道佞人奸物畜獣駄六愚昧蒙昧暗迷妄者小人物低俗堕落, 亡八輩の護摩の灰), am I really going to spend half an hour interpreting this one as well?

Gaaa

[Anonymous No.]

imagine this much buttflustering happening because of some simple straight nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469725
it's amazing the lengths people will go to pretend they know japanese for the sake of authorizing their bad opinions

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469721
It's okay, only 10~20 years until you can input kanji telepathically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469721
please switch to uppercase when posting absolute garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469739
you can tell hes a fuck ninja because of the period so

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469713
By the way this is 10000x true if there are any hanzi in it. Chances are you're going to have to go through the han table in your IME or use google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469723
if it takes you half an hour you are completely wasting your fucking time to bother with this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469739
Nah he's using the right format for posting what he did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469653
Why are there so many 修正s

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469739
nope
>>19469745
no sometimes i use punctuation, sometimes i don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469745
i use also punctuation and i'm the second best lowercase poster in this thread so i resent this assumption

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469723
There's nothing to interpret you retard it's clearly just a long string of insults.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469653
What is even the context of this sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469757
oh wow when you actually break it down a little bit its not just a billion random chinese letters holy fuck

>>19469764
but all the time, your gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469771
I'd tell you but I never read Muramasa. Maybe Jamal can help you out there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469770
Ooh, so just like that previous one I've done! Is Muramasa filled with lots of long string of insults?

I can probably learn some new insults from it. Alright, gonna do it in a few hours after I sleep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469772
i wish 私のゲイも

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469789
muramasa takes over 24 reading hours to complete even if you're a literate japanese native

[Anonymous No.]

中出之歓中出中出中出中出中出中出之歓歓歓歓歓之歓中出之歓
99% of DJ-shitters can't read the above sentence. Are you part of the 1%?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469805
>之
chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469802
please use context next time to correctly interpret this post
出来ないくん was not suggesting that he is going to read muramasa

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469815
no i was just advising them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469809
Nope, it's Japanese too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469821
漢文 is chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469809
your heuristic is broken try learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469834
nope it's chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469805
>歓歓歓歓歓
I suppose you can repeat kanji for emphasis?

[Anonymous No.]

you're mom is chinese, kid

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck does RTK use 泉 to recall 原? Isn't that literally counter-productive and will harm your ability to actually write the god damn characters?

The bottom most component is clearly 小, not 水. They don't even have the same stroke count.

[Anonymous No.]

favorite words?
i like chinco and keeki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469850
"puta" which means "your mom"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469849
Try actually learning Japanese before you post next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469849
lmao fucking rtkiddies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469850
panaka
very expressive word that can be used in various situations

[Anonymous No.]

Wtf? Where did the extra dot go in the handwritten version?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469849
>泉 to recall 原
Nobody because like you said, the components are different. You don't know RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469878
extended shinjitai
delete the deck and make your own, it contains errors

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469849
jesus christ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469884
okay matt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469878
that's chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469882
Yes it does.

You don't know RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

マットさんいらっしゃいますか

"まあ"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469899
yes, kanji are chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469849
The original version looked like this 厡.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469878
extended shinjitai
it doesn't fucking matter unless you want encyclopedic knowledge
that deck does look like shit though, unsurprising for a premade deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469884
>>19469899
So, do I just ignore the top one and write it with one dot, or the other way round?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469907
True, my bad. Use kanji koohii and you won't have that issue. But I'm guessing the reason there is a discordance between components of some kanji is that some are simplified forms in joyo and some aren't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469912
That's good to know, but shouldn't Heisig at least comment on this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469805
hey I actually understood this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469925
Both variants are completely acceptable in handwriting. If you want to be correct you should write it with two dots.
>>19469926
Koohii isn't RTK. RTK was not designed to be used with SRS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469926
Koohii stories are filled with misinterpretations like using "springs to mind" to recall something using 泉, unless you're talking about something I'm unfamiliar with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469928
>We will keep this image of a spring when using this kanji as a primitive, but not without first drawing attention to a slight change that distinguishes the primitive from the kanji. The final 4 strokes (the element for water) are abbreviated to the three small drops that we learned earlier as the kanji for little.
He does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469925
two dots is "correct", one dot is an unofficial simplification used by many fonts to bring it in line with other officially simplified kanji and it is completely acceptable for you to do the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469935
>>19469949
Okay, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469935
>Koohii isn't RTK. RTK was not designed to be used with SRS.
So? Koohii is a free supplement and SRS works great with RTK. But I didn't mention koohii for its shitty SRS (use anki for that) but for the comments under each kanji that will point out stuff like this. Although you mention that either way of writing is OK so that guy's criticism was silly regardless.

>>19469945
I still remember a story I copied from koohii months ago which involves someone standing on a cliff, observing little white things in the meadow below, which upon closer inspection seem to be sheep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469964
>Although you mention that either way of writing is OK
This is not true for the character we're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469948
But it's not true, 湶腺楾線 all use it without 小 at the bottom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469964
>Although you mention that either way of writing is OK
that discussion was about 辻

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469971
Yep can't delete the post though.

[Anonymous No.]

Heisig says to remember 木 as tree, but it looks more like a star to me. Can I memorize it as "star" instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469975
四辻

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469989
Only if you want to make your own stories for every kanji that uses that primitive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469849
>Isn't that literally counter-productive and will harm your ability to actually write the god damn characters?
No because you'll still easily recall that "spring" as a component changes "water" to "little" if you're not a dumbass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469997
See >>19469972

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469997
But it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469995
cool I'll say that 林 is little galaxy and 森 is big galaxy.

[Anonymous No.]

Any children's J-J dictionaries available in EPWING format or otherwise electronically?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469995
Your own stories > premade stories.
That being said, remembering primitives that are also kanji as anything other than their meaning as kanji is simply retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469972
these 4 are the bane of my existence

I honestly can't tell them apart except from context, sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470011
you should at least know 線

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470011
i bet if you saw a word using each of them in context youd be fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470003
>>19470005
You'll still easily remember it though. Is it the only exception?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470011
are you serious
the left component tells you how to differentiate them
湶
water -> spring
腺
meat -> gland
楾
wood -> water-pouring vessel (e.g. a teapot, neti pot)
線
line -> ok this one's hard because it has nothing to do with 泉
>>19470021
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470011
I remember all four thanks to RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470017
I know which one it is when I see 新幹線, I probably know when it's 緑色 but if it's part of some new compound heck if I know

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470028
How many other instances does he use "spring" to describe "white" on "little"? Still, just use the actual components instead of spring and it's not a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470021
I don't know because I've only made it this far, but if this kind of error slips through already 100 or so kanji in, then this book is no better than me just looking at kanji and going "oh yeah this looks kinda like that other symbol I saw".

[Anonymous No.]

they really love kanji here

if only they loved nihongo as much

[Anonymous No.]

亖 You won't find this in RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470045
i made the mistake of obsessing over kanji and fonts for half a year during a period of time when i thought i was learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470008
Children just ask their parents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470047
oh i know that 1 its the kanji for 4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470047
壹 you won't find this in RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470008
グーグル先生に問いかけたらどう？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470053
Whom do バカ外人 like me ask?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470052
I'm glad I only spend a month for the RTK deck.

Did like 70 new cards/day and now the review sucks, but eh, individual kanji 'meanings' matter less than the vocab anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470069
ask your mom

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470042
I'm confused as to why you think this "error" matters - it has nothing to do with the effectiveness of his method. All you have to do is change the keyword. If it means anything, I'm almost done with the book and can recall exceptions like that fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470069
>>19470067

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470052
all it takes is one for it to be worth it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kowqn-JdwWU#t=193

[Anonymous No.]

Google can't replace a parent.

[Anonymous No.]

Can DJT point some VNs with absolutely everything voiced, including MC thoughts? I've only seen it in Utawarerumono so far.
Yes I read the guide but it doesn't really specify those.

[Anonymous No.]

グーグルは新たな親父を作れる場所だよ
あたしでもわかるよ
きっとできるよおにーちゃん
がんばって

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470094
i think what you want is actually anime

[Anonymous No.]

When did you realize that RTK is obsolete and has been completely superseded by superior new systems like Wanikani?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470084
Are you also the person who literally did not realize this was a thing just half an hour ago, because if so I doubt it.

If not, I am not trying to disparage people form learning kanji via breaking them down into smaller parts and associating them with keywords, but if the keywords are *wrong*, then there are better resources.

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>>19470094
This is beyond uncommon because full length VNs almost never fully voice the protagonist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470108
Well I only read like 10 VNs total and one of them did so I figured there is more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470042
if you can't remember small exceptions like this without a mnemonic to guide you you're not going to make it
if you need a special mnemonic every time a stroke disappears or is drawn differently you're truly fucked
lucky for you, you don't need to learn this shit anyway to learn japanese
but before you give into despair, if your heart is set on kanji, keep going and watch as the wonder that is having a functional brain sorts out this problem for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470122
Which ones?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470125
Don't worry, I've already got thousands of mature vocab and read shit, I was just trying to 'learn the kanji' in an effort to solidify my fundamentals. Apparently RTK is not the way to go for that.

[Anonymous No.]

its ok to learn nihongo and still suck at kanji guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470094
voiced protagonist https://vndb.org/g135
voiced thoughts https://vndb.org/g2088

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470107
>Are you also the person who literally did not realize this was a thing just half an hour ago
Correct, because I instantly changed "spring" in "meadow" to "white" and "little". But even if I hadn't done that it's incredibly easy to remember exceptions like this. You're going to have a rough time when he stops feeding you stories.
>if so I doubt it
Anki doesn't lie my man.
>then there are better resources.
Oh really? Name some. The only alternative I know of is KKLC but it uses the same method in a different order. Although I've heard its mnemonics can kinda suck compared to RTK's because it less often incorporates all the keywords for every component for the new kanji.

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>>19470145
Oh, I knew about voiced protagonist tag but didn't know there is voiced thoughts tag. Thanks, that'll work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470146
>Name some.
Making mnemonics yourself, starting from radicals and primitives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470146
Well KKLC at least doesn't fuck this one up. Also kudos for owning up despite anonymity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469195
>Dies Irae and Little Busters in the same difficulty ranking
Are you fucking shitting me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470177
didn't you know
dies irae is actually moege

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470177
finally one of you scrubs comes out

do actually got anything to say or is it gonna be the memes that were drilled in your head by westerners

[Anonymous No.]

subahibi, grisaia, and rewrite should definitely be on a lower skill level than dies irae though (or dies irae should be higher)

[Anonymous No.]

also muramasa is about equally difficult to most mareni works, it's astelight that's unusually difficult

[Anonymous No.]

i thnik all of those games are very what you see is what you get

[Anonymous No.]

nothing is what you see is what you get when you're still unironically relying on a difficulty ranking chart

[Anonymous No.]

having said that thanks for having the balls to put axanael and dies irae in the same category

[Anonymous No.]

muramasa i was actually torn on mostly because i think someone whos not familiar with whats actually in that game you know as its the super nitro+ game would have some trouble keeping up but thats separate from nihongo mostly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470139
my suggestion would be to make some unambiguous vocab production cards to use words you've already learned to practice the kanji within them
maybe someone has a better suggestion aside from "write a lot" but i'd be (pleasantly) surprised if so

[Anonymous No.]

axanael is an interesting case because the sentences are unreasonably short and lines with more than one sentence are rare and it's also easy to force your way through with a texthooker because it's short and uses simple grammar
basically people who read it like that get an unusual impression about its natural difficulty

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470228
i imagine you barely learn a goddamn thing if you do that, you just get to say you made it through

[Anonymous No.]

nobody reads without a texthooker anymore, i know that was how you did it back in your day cause that shit didn't exist but making a shart without taking it into account is retarded right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470199
God, how long will it take me to understand Astelight if it takes me 20 minutes just to be able to read all of >>19469686?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470239
the key point of that sentence was not
>with a texthooker
but
>to force your way through

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470226
Yeah it pretty much boils down to this, but (hand) writing Japanese doesn't come up in my daily life, and there's no real trick to it. Still, I am open to suggestions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470239
there's a difference between "reading with a texthooker" and "forcing your way through"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470239
sorry but i did say real ninja shit no bullshit

if you want retarded shit for retard theres many other great *winces* resources that came before it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470169
Let us know if it works out for you.
>>19470173
It'd be a silly thing to lie about. I can disagree with particular choices Heisig made and do things a bit differently. There's not much competition in the isolated study world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470258
>Let us know if it works out for you.
It does. Though if I started again I'd do it in a more systematic manner.

[Anonymous No.]

Does Onegai comes from Negai? like, a big wish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19469972
>>19470011
hahahaha the absolute state of RTK haters

[Anonymous No.]

Does くるな come from くる? Like, spinning wildly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470321
御

[Anonymous No.]

personally im surprised no one got instantly offended when i made nasu the poster boy for 普通

[Anonymous No.]

nasu is 普通 though
i mean maybe on the high end but still

[Anonymous No.]

I did RTK months ago and the only thing that stuck at all was the components and their stroke order. I don't look at new words using kanji I had learned and recall the keyword, I just think "oh it's that one" and then have to look it up. Components probably helped me distinguish kanji better, but associating 2000 kanji with keywords did nothing for me. I encourage you to reevaluate what you think you will get out of doing this. If it's "the ability to distinguish kanji", you probably only need learn a few hundred or some radicals. If it's "the ability to write", or "more knowledge of kanji", remember that you can do that faster by skipping the middleman of English keywords and learning Japanese first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470353
>remember that you can do that faster by skipping the middleman of English keywords and learning Japanese first.
the lies never end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470383
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470353
What method would you recommend of studying the sufficient/critical radicals/primitives/components?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470353
You would have remembered them if you had reviewed shit properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470390
Course he doesn't, he's a lowercase shitposter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470394
a lowercase-with-periods shitposter*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470391
Don't study radicals on their own. It's pointless bullshit that doesn't work.
Either do RTK properly or do nothing kanji related at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470391
i think it's called the "half-assedly remember to write some kanji based on a few components which leads to me forgetting them in a few weeks or months and wasting time relearning it when i could have done rtk and remembered stroke order for the majority of kanji" method

[Anonymous No.]

are pan and pantsu relaed

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470416
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

pan2: return of the pan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470353
I get the feeling that you're a bullshitter, because this sort of thing is exactly what I used to say when I was like 3-4 months into learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470353
>the only thing that stuck
You didn't use SRS? How many did you learn a day?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>he did rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470412
It's plenty useful for stuff like >>19470028 avoiding mixing up look-a-like kanji. Just knowing that certain squiggles often have associated semantics, without having to encounter dozens of vocab and piece it together yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470424
everyones bullshitters here check this out

[Anonymous No.]

my biggest problem with rtk haters is that they lie so much. it makes sense you don't feel like dedicating so much time learning how to write when it's not that important, but don't just lie and act like you can write as well or remember kanji as well as people who have done rtk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470327
I don't hate RTK but I know too much Japanese to take a break for 3 months to learn kanji. I'll do RTK when I'm fluent, not like I'd write anything before being fluent anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470443
Is this how you cope with wasting months not learning Japanese? By deluding yourself into thinking RTK gave you a special ability nobody else could acquire without wasting months on it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470446
An actually reasonable opinion on RTK that doesn't just blindly trash it. NP dude, learn to write when you feel it's worth it for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>haven't done rtk
>"woah, anon write out some cool japanese letters for me??"
What do?

[Anonymous No.]

obviously try to write わたしはゲイ in kana but then realize i forgot how to write those too and have a straight up panic attack tuggin at shirt collar and sweating profusely and shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470456
write 木, 林 and 森 and look at their astounded faces with triumph

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470432
Yet RTK would be vastly more effective, as it assembles the radicals into some kind of functional blocks that are much easier to remember.
Like memorising the picture that a picture puzzle forms vs trying to memorise individual pieces in an incoherent way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470446
You don't take a break to do RTK. What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470391
I can't endorse something I didn't do, I can only suggest that I think there were diminishing returns to RTK and that a subset of RTK or focus on radicals seems reasonable to the ends of not mixing up kanji. The problem with a subset of RTK itself is that it was designed to be done in its entirety and thus some very basic kanji are towards the end while some useless kanji are earlier in.
>>19470393
I reviewed them properly. I can still write all of them when prompted by a keyword.
>>19470424
Why would I bullshit that I wasted my time?
>>19470425
I used SRS, 20 per day.
>>19470443
I do think learning to write is important. I don't think that RTK before learning Japanese was an effective part of reaching that goal.
>>19470456
Spend 2 hours a day for a week practicing 膣 with a brush pen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470456
戀

it looks fancy and the radicals are easy as fuck to remember

I also memorized 薔薇 and 檸檬 because matt said knowing them makes people think you're smart

I can write only 50 kanji starting from 一二　 etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470465
That's a beautiful metaphor, but since RTK is not sorted by usefulness/popularity it is extremely inefficient for the purpose of acquiring they key knowledge and use of radicals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470416
pantsu comes from british "pants"
"pants" comes from pantalone
pantalone comes from Παντελής
Παντελής comes from Παντελεημων
Παντελεημων uses the suffix παν (pan-, same as in Pangaea, etc)
παν is the combining form of πᾶς
πᾶς ultimately comes from proto-indo-european *peh₂nts

pan comes from pão
pão comes from pānem
pānem comes from pānis
pānis probably comes from *peh₂- via *pāstnis

so yeah パン and パンツ are related

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470483
>uses the suffix παν
prefix*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470475
>I also memorized 薔薇 and 檸檬 because matt said knowing them makes people think you're smart
Thanks I was wondering what those kanji were that impressed the natives he associated with but couldn't remember which video he talked about it.

[Anonymous No.]

in the words of bartholomew simpson eat my ショートpānis

[Anonymous No.]

パンツ食べたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470491
they're literally third option in IME when you write bara and remon, how lazy do you have to be that you didn't even try when you were watching his video

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470483
nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470500
I was laying on my couch watching the video and I made a mental note to check later but forgot you meanie.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you read 寂しい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470570
サッド

[Anonymous No.]

With the rise of AJATT recently, I've started searching for AJATT progress videos on Youtube sometimes and it is interesting. I found an interesting one yesterday. In the 6 month progress video the guys says he can read and watch anime without any trouble. Then in the 9 month video it shows him doing his RTK reps. He does kanji->keyword cards, doesn't follow the stroke order at all, gets almost all of them wrong, but marks them all as good. So this is the power of AJATT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470570
depends on who's talking but usually さびしい
淋しい is usually さみしい

[Anonymous No.]

What is the optimal level to start reading LNs？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470577
Is it the british guy who's married and has a kid and only puts in like 2 hours a day? He has other videos last I checked he was struggling to play a DB game with furigana, like not with the vocab the dude would just read really slowly.

[Anonymous No.]

び is hard sound
み is soft sound

user discretion advised

>>19470584
when you want to

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470590
Found the video.
https://youtu.be/z1O1halQ74A

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470593
>when you want to
But there are so many i+2(and beyond) sentences

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470584
Right after finishing Tae Kim

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470603
you can stay programmed to fail or you can do what you wanna do the choice is yours

information poisoning is the leading cause of noob death when it comes to learning nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470603
good bait uppercase-kun

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470597
Honestly furigana and translations are likely at "fault" for this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470612
His reading speed is fucking terrible for how long he's been doing this was the point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470597
dang hes pretty good for a ajatter

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470597
holy fucking shit he doesn't even try to speak japanese, he sounds worse than tourists that only know how to say uhreeguttoe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470597
Oh he's the ninja warrior tryout dude.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know where to find エヴァンゲリオン ANIMA? It's not in the cornucopia as far as I can see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470679
got it right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ptenI1Org#t=14

[Anonymous No.]

アー・エス・エム・アール？
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xjajI9dYHA

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470744
はい

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quJvkUlpIVw

[Anonymous No.]

lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZMOPS1jsyU#t=72

[Anonymous No.]

Is the kono suba LN easy to read for a beginner?

[Anonymous No.]

based jap man puta

[Anonymous No.]

It's literally impossible to understand spoken Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471024
Not if you do 2 hours of active listening and 4 hours of passive listening a day. This is why AJATT stresses listening practice.

[Anonymous No.]

森林浴

This language has words for everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471039
That's a neat word.

[Anonymous No.]

スレッド内に放屁しました。
嗅いでくれてありがとうございました。

[Anonymous No.]

何も匂いを感じない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471024
2000 hours of anime

[Anonymous No.]

カバディ

[Anonymous No.]

Recommend me a light novel please. I've read 5 chapters of NHKにようこそ, but I've already watched the anime twice so the plot is boring.

[Anonymous No.]

haruchika

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471273
人類は衰退しました

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471281
He asked for "light novels", not literary fiction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471281
>Fantasy

[Anonymous No.]

read jintai if you want even if you use text hookers and shit

its your life

[Anonymous No.]

so i go into the sticky link and click Manga
and get this

what's the alternative link?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19468145
Lol, looks like you use pretty much the same setup I do :D

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471394
Lol :D

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471359
I don't know wtf happened with that link but gladly there's a backup
https://mega.nz/#!JKwmVBgJ!V6XvXJQvEQ5R_4C02Ptg8j1fvDUtihXeCj_wUftP9sY

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a time traveller from the year 2028
you all are still dekinai (or sudoku'd) in my days, give up

[Anonymous No.]

i hope everyones nihongo level grows

itd be sad if in 10 years the only thing thats grown for you is your prostate size

[Anonymous No.]

I'm from the year 2028. All of you learned Japanese way before then except one guy who was so pissed off that he built a time machine to go back in time and demotivate everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I delete american english from my language list? Japanese seems to come with it for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471484
The fuck is a language list?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471493

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471503
>windows bar is not on the top of the screen

yikes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471503
>windows 10

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471506
What's the point

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471506
How could that possibly matter in any way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471514
>>19471526
browser tabs and programs are next to each other instead of on other sides of the screen

I can tell you're consolecucks that don't have a gaming rig

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471509
>caring which version of a shitty os you run
the last acceptable release was xp and considering xp64 was abandoned from the start and no one can use a fucking browser these days with less than 8gb of ram it's all the same shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471531
wait a sec i'm not on /v/ disregard the second paragraph but the post is still true for browsing comfort

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471533
ok dumb win10fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471531
>using the mouse for everything
i can tell you're pro

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471535
i use based linux keep arguing about shitty oses

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471540
ok dumb linuxfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471543
that's more like it

[Anonymous No.]

>he doesn't lurk with only a comfy mouse while lounging

yikes imagine collecting das keyboards

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471039
That's chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>オレンジ
>orange
based japanese

[Anonymous No.]

homeroom
houmuru

based ja- no wait that's wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471573
御連自

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471540
linux isnt based its for boring fuck heads lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471582
that's not how it works is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>he doesn't enjoy the pleasing audible tactile feedback of his Cherry MX Blue key switches with every action he takes

yikes imagine collecting rgb gamer mice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471588
>yikes imagine collecting rgb gamer mice

y-yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471587
its not

>>19471588
i dont get youngsters who are so dominated by consumerism they pay for overpriced keyboards and mice when you can have an ideal setup for 20 bucks

dont agree? 1v1 me noob

[Anonymous No.]

>he uses an os that can't render fonts properly
>he uses traumatizingly loud blue switches

yikes, gratz on becoming deaf by 2025

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471587

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471600
wouldn't know. only play eroge

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471587
Not really. For the fruit there is 甘橙 or 甘代々 (アマダイダイ). And for the colour there is 橙色（だいだいいろ)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471606
nowadays fuckin same

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471604
money, ricefield

i'm lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471604
finally a good post in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471600
i felt the same but i bought a relatively cheap (still expensive) barebones no-led no-macros mx brown keyboard and i prefer it
your opinion however is not unreasonable
>>19471602
i picked the switches that would anger you, i don't like loud switches either
my os can render fonts properly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471531
>I can tell you're consolecucks that don't have a gaming rig

I'm not a manchild so I stopped playing videogames in my teens.

[Anonymous No.]

>i stopped playing videogames in my teens
>these days I spend my time reading erotica about japanese cartoon girls (male)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471616
if you learned readings when you did rtk you would know that it says canada

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471627
you don't learn readings while doing rtk, matt said it causes something like memory interference or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471626
>i take breaks from learning japanese to play generic popular online first person shooters in english
>i'll make it someday, just not now

[Anonymous No.]

Can you all stop using the green more than signs when you're not quoting someone please thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471637
nobody learns japanese dude the language is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471635
if you skip rtk2 like matt says you'll never make it to kanken 1

[Anonymous No.]

>he doesn't quote the situation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471635
matt recommends against it but also says you can do whatever you feel like you can handle.

[Anonymous No.]

>no

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

btw if anyone thinks muramasa is daunting and simply just too complex to tackle alone heres a present

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUdmv6RZkDtz8gcEXXi0h_JCgfspHLKy8

honestly i think i recommend watching a buncha 実況プレイs before even attempting to read anything yourself alone nowadays

maybe matt shoulda watched this before he made his muramasa video ftw

>>19471622
frankly video games have been dead since ps3 dropped and i feel bad for kids who are growin up on like games multiple installments deep already in a series nowadays lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471660
it can't be too taunting if matt got through it while only making a few mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

i just wana squash the memes and more importantly inspire the youth of djt to actually do things

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471660
but the guy in the video has been doing ajatt for literally more than 20 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471695
sounds like hes the ideal dude to provide commentary over such an epic text

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470139
As a book, RTK is complimented excessively and critiqued far too much by those on both sides. However most of the legit criticisms of the book have been fixed by the online community. The lack of pronunciation for instance is fixed on Kanji.Koohii review system and most Anki decks. The lack of vocabulary as well is fixed. The teaching of rarely used kanji ahead of more common kanji is fixed with optimized decks teaching more frequent lists in RTK order. Problems with keywords are fixed with decks offering multiple meanings or even a fucking picture to act as the meaning. The problems with lack of stories past 300 kanji is fixed with community stories.

Plus, once you have the component method down and know that it's visual stories and not mnemonics means you can learn in context any of the lesser used kanji instead of front loading every kanji then hope to run into them in a way you learn words using them. Personally it works, but other systems like KKLC, Wanikani and Kanji Damage which all do component methods also work. If someone says RTK is perfect and should use to exclusion of all else until you're finished I'd disregard as much as those that dismiss the whole book as trash and a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

通 fuck this kanji honestly

[Anonymous No.]

I am halfway through Tae Kim's grammar guide, and I have maybe around 1300 words of the core 6k deck with more than 20 days of interval.

Whenever I try to read, I still don't understand the vast majority of words and get confused easily by grammar. Even with beginner material like NHK easy news or Yotsubato!.

Do you think there's a threshold from where reading becomes a bit more manageable?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471752
why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471752
why? it's very 普通

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471756
Keep reading and it'll get easier, it's always different for different people you just gotta focus on keep reading and it will get easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471756

I recommend getting a pen and pad, disecting the sentence piece by piece. Chunk it up between particles.

[Anonymous No.]

oh my goodness

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471777
This is terrible advice.

[Anonymous No.]

it actually becomes better advice with the more nihongo you know minus the "between particles" comment

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471768
But when I read, I look up unknown words in a dictionary or through yomichan, and I tend to forget them rapidly, because I'm doing the same for 10 other words in the article or text.

If I put them in an Anki deck for retention, I feel like the workload between the core stuff + a mining deck would be too much, and feel too much like a drill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471801
so stop reading so far above your reading level

[Anonymous No.]

just use a grammar parser until you're comfortable with the language, this is jamal's official nihongo advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471801
If you can't mine them for whatever reason you don't need to, words will stick regardless of you mining them and reviewing them or not through repeated exposure, it may not seem like it at first though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471812
Is there anything I can read that is lower than NHK easy news or Yotsubato? I wonder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471818
no just use google translate

>>19471822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMx9DGl9Y0

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471822
genki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471801
so stop core and focus on words you're actually encountering
>>19471812
that's hard with 1300 words

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471829
i cant really deal in terms like "1300 words"

but prolly everything is hard but unko chan is soft and easy to pass the way your stool should be if you drink plenty of water and fill up several jugs per day

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471848
Don't forget to only eat one meal a day, fasting is the way to success.

[Anonymous No.]

and drink your whole milks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19470239
I played through an entire game on my phone once. Whenever I needed a new kanji i'd memorize it, switch tabs, and try to look it up in jisho before forgetting it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471875
golden star for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471868
i would love to just stick my head in between those and *brrrrrrr*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471884
why would you fart

[Anonymous No.]

>he wouldn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471902
I'm motorboating. something you obviously don't know anything about

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471913
is it because they're so cold

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471916
you could survive a snow storm inside those things

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471963
maybe with your own body heat but her heart sure isn't going to supply those mountains

[Anonymous No.]

i did it all in the name of anime girls

[Anonymous No.]

Spent all day doing shit only to come home to a thread filled with nothing but very low quality non-meme posts what is this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472050
Imagine being this new.

[Anonymous No.]

And that^ is the worst non-meme post of them all you guys suck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472050
you have 10 seconds to make a good post bithc

[Anonymous No.]

I was going to reply with a total fucking gut-buster but 10 seconds passed and now I can't, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472085
What should I do if I've given up for like a year and my Anki is completely out of hand? I assume it'll be a pretty huge hassle to get back down considering I've probably forgotten a good amount of the words. Should I just start over?

[Anonymous No.]

you already gave up once, you don't have the conviction. save yourself the trouble and invest your time into something you actually enjoy

[Anonymous No.]

What should I do if I've given up for like a year and my Anki is completely out of hand? I assume it'll be a pretty huge hassle to get back down considering I've probably forgotten a good amount of the words. Should I just start over

[Anonymous No.]

Just stop using anki

[Anonymous No.]

What should I do if I've given up for like a year and my RTK is completely out of hand? I assume it'll be a pretty huge hassle to get back down considering I've probably forgotten a good amount of kanji. Should I just start over?

[Anonymous No.]

just stop using RTK

[Anonymous No.]

韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓韓
って可笑しいに見えませんか？出来ないままに佇んだらいいと思うなら是非此処に来て続けて下さい！それは俺の本スレでの最後のポストでした。さようならDJT！

[Anonymous No.]

What should I do if I've given up for like a year and my life is completely out of hand? I assume it'll be a pretty huge hassle to get back up considering I've probably bruned a good amount of bridges. Should I just quit?

[Anonymous No.]

fuck a bridge ore ni wa tsubasa ga aru nda

[Anonymous No.]

you've only given up on life for a year? you are like little baby, try a decade before you post again

[Anonymous No.]

GRINDING CORE WITH "TILL I COLLAPSE" AFTER YEARS OF NOT DOING ANYTHING FUCKING HYPE

[Anonymous No.]

ちょっとツラ貸せ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472173
whats your issue

>>19472186
sokono kimimo tonde milukai

[Anonymous No.]

>みぅかい

[Anonymous No.]

I'm planning on going to Japan next year for the first time. So level with me /trv/, is 24 too old to court japanese women in the city and all that? I'm not going purely for sex tourism purposes by the way, I'm just wondering if I would be wasting my time with girls there if all of them are already in relationships

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472502
you can find a girl to fuck you

but you cant find a girl to love you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472502
Go to oosaka

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472502
ignore this, obviously posted it on the wrong board

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472510
That's where the brown people are though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472520
Brown jap girls are the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472552
Nigga I ain't talking about girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472554
If you're talking about nigs, they're in roppongi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472552
osaka aint far enough need to get your ass down to kochiken

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472349
Okay DONE
Surprising that I remembered so much though been ages since I actually practiced

[Anonymous No.]

its クールなストリーだよ

おにいちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

thanks dude

[Anonymous No.]

>hasn't studied for a year
>500 cards

congrats on your third week of studying japanese you loser

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472651
603 cards is fucking nothing. You are just a dumb punk.

[Anonymous No.]

cant wait that it comes out that those 600 cards are all uncommon words because he actually knows nihongo ftw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471756
>>19471822
Yotsubato! isn't reading though it's manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472759
if he actually knew nihongo why would he go back to anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472777
frankly i didnt read the post he was quoting when he posted his gay anki pic and dont have much hope for my former dream now that i did

[Anonymous No.]

what's your favorite kanji
mine is 隔

[Anonymous No.]

mines the one of the girl gettin eiffel towered

[Anonymous No.]

obviously because i self insert to feel 女の幸せ

[Anonymous No.]

Mine is 峠
made in Japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472819
this is chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472807
Mine is 國

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472819
mountain pass
thanks rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472826
Sure dude if it helps you sleep at night

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472819
mountain pass
thanks yomi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472819
mountain pass
thanks raw initial d

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472819
mountain pass
thanks initial D

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472819
mountain ass
thanks initial d

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.strawpoll.me/16118030

[Anonymous No.]

is there any way to stop search engines returning 99% chinese pages when searching for japanese words? is google just shit for this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472870
nah that's just japanese's fault for borrowing the chink's writing system

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472870
意味
とは
違い

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472870
"google filter results by language"

[Anonymous No.]

hey yall are startin to throw around racial slurs like candy how about we cool it i let it slide earlier but now youre starting to get unruly

[Anonymous No.]

chimping out because bad man said kinshigotoba is such a nigger thing to do

[Anonymous No.]

if you get offended you're probably a chink
if you are a chink you're privileged in the kanjisphere
if you're privileged in the kanjisphere you don't understand our struggle and don't belong here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472870
"は"
Learn how google works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472883
*unsheathes nihontō*

[Anonymous No.]

is unified cjk a mistake?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472878
what about image search results? I can't seem to filter by language

[Anonymous No.]

didn't someone say jamal was australian? no wonder he gets offended by people saying chink, they own his country

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472930
d delet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472909
Change your region or something. I think they stopped giving you country specific results by using their domain (.jp) a while ago and now return results based on your location only regardless

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472937
figures, australia is basically a chinese state now
maybe I need to use a jap vpn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472889
>privileged in the kanjisphere
is this the most dekinai post of the thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472906
i lean think yes, as the form intended by the author is important and not a display issue to be left up to the font
it seems logical that text containing multiple cjk languages should not have to rely on manual font formatting to use the correct language variants in the correct place
but that brings up the question of how far do you go in encoding variations of the same character
if language-specific variations should be kept distinct, should historical variations be kept distinct
to my limited knowledge those are currently handled inconsistently

[Anonymous No.]

>>19472502
will be 30 when I go to Japan. is love out of the question for me too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473190
they dont let people over indoctrination age through the borders

[Anonymous No.]

>1.6k words in Anki
>Tried reading 'the little prince' in jap
wtf am I reading

[Anonymous No.]

>0 words in anki
>haven't tried reading anything

[Anonymous No.]

10000 hours of anime or your gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473193
I'll have you know I believe anything that I'm told

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473249
no you dont

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473212
heh, i tried reading the exact same book a few weeks ago
i took it back to the library and swapped it for something easier
reading without electronic assistance is hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473259
What did you swap it for? I have to buy or download most of my books since the libraries in my country kinda lack japanese novels. Guess I'll continue reading the little prince when my grammar gets better

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473253
oh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473212
>2k in anki
>tries Harry Potter 1
How is a man staring at a cat so hard to understand

[Anonymous No.]

じんぎをとおしなさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473312
>30k from reading
>can interpret the many themes of Romeo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473289
I got a book of short stories for 4th graders
10分で読める名作
四年生

[Anonymous No.]

I've been reading for 6 months now and despite looking up every word in every sentence my retention is still extremely poor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473337
I don't think this is possible. I've been reassured by countless people in these threads who are fluent that SRS doesn't work. And that RTK doesn't work. And that sentence mining doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473337
How poor?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19471660
I've watched parts of this playthrough and theres all the time parts where he cant read it and just moves on without even checking.

[Anonymous No.]

>go to Japan
>我が名はサム
>get laughed at
don't learn from watching anime

[Anonymous No.]

don't be retarded and keep in mind japanese people don't talk like their cartoons

[Anonymous No.]

but why do americans talk like their sitcoms?

[Anonymous No.]

we dont as a matter of fact i always communicate as though im on 4chan even irl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473444
welcome to the 普通 experience

it doesnt even matter if you cant "read" some of the words

[Anonymous No.]

>typical day in an american school

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473509
who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

do they have shoe lockers out front

[Anonymous No.]

fake news theres no blacks everyones skinny and no ones be utareratatatated yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473486
Do they really? Back in the first years of my learning English, most of my listening experience comes from watching FRIENDS. I mostly smooth-sailed through all English exams, but most examiners aren't native speakers or native speakers of non-American english.

[Anonymous No.]

oh great another euronigger that learned english from friends lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473509
None of them are brown enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473532
Personally, I try to make everything I say slightly funny and pause for a few seconds after every sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

american schools don't have many students aiming for a firefight, they have one or very few students trying to kill a lot.

I don't even know what's the highest number of shooters in american school shootings

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473547
key word is try *laugh track plays*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473444
Dang this makes the Matt hater look like the dipshit he is.
>>19471660

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473553
like you and japanese? *laugh track plays*

[Anonymous No.]

youll all know japanese one day *warau track plays*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473547
>>19473539
oh man you don't know how much I was into Friends. I've literally handwrite fanfics of Friends and showed them to my English teacher when I got the chance to visit England.

Thankfully now my sense of humor is improved through copious consumption of ボボボーボ・ボーボボ, the most mature of humours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473337
looking up every word in every sentence means you're reading shit too far above your level

[Anonymous No.]

>>19468363
wwww

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473565
i dont have to try

>>19473561
no theres still a difference matt actually says words wrong average [nippon] person just goes eh wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>19468363
>>19473579
samefag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473585
>>19473579
>>19468363
samefag

[Anonymous No.]

無限の反復???

[Anonymous No.]

永劫回帰だ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473584
I think native speakers don't really look at their language as seriously and so when they came across difficult parts they just move through, knowing that there's probably something after that that can give them clues to what the thing they skipped mean.

From my personal experience, as I am taught to read each sentence carefully and break it down, there's a certain amount of resistance to this sort relaxed outlook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473539
>euronigger
Is that the term for non-Japanese Asians?

[Anonymous No.]

the learners just need to take it easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473630
maybe youll naturally just want to have fun with what youre reading instead of have it under a magnifying glass and thatll be the moment when youre riding the bike on your own

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473662
I think I'm good enough in English to be able to do scientific research in an English-speaking country, but even today I still feel that need to check if I'm using the right word or not.

Wonder if I'll have that doubt still years down the line with Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

i dont think thats exactly a problem

i say shit all the time where the conviction matches the word i use but the word doesnt exactly match the situation i used it in but it felt natural anyway so whatevs let society shape me

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

われわれは

[Anonymous No.]

ゲイッ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473714
we tooth wtf?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473679
when you are good at a language, do the same as you would in your native language: check if you're using the word right when it matters if you're using the word right
there are many situations in which it doesn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473721
われわれ葉

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473714
キングだった

[Anonymous No.]

Have to relearn 153 words today. I'm doing something wrong but I don't know what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473745
anki

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks, uninstalling.

[Anonymous No.]

np

[Anonymous No.]

can't wait til im fluent wol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473745
identify some of the cards you've failed the most, and if any of the kanji in them don't appear elsewhere in your deck with the same reading, add new words to fix that
same can be done for meaning a little less often
if it's basically unique you're fucked

[Anonymous No.]

Can we compile a comprehensive list of things that are not reading? I'll start:

Manga
Visual Novels
Light Novels
Web Novels
Fiction Novels
Non-fiction novels

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473876
Reading

[Anonymous No.]

Finished Anki in 30 minutes. Feels good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473876
any information that can be sensed by human beings

[Anonymous No.]

漫画は読書じゃない

かな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19473960
はっきりといっておくよ

エロどうじんは

読書じゃない

[Anonymous No.]

知らない漢字が多すぎるから読書は嫌い

エロ漫画もってこい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19474036
なんでやねん

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese r so dumb. They write the letter エ but pronounce it like "e" when it's obviously an uppercase i. And it means construction? lol it's a letter, not a word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19474106
エッ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19474112
no there's a kanakana and a kanji that look the same just like カ力 everyone knows that kana arent words kanji are

[Anonymous No.]

how do you get that bigger カ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19474169
ちから
It's a Chinese character which means strength/force

[Anonymous No.]

>>19474192
you weren't supposed to tell him next he'll ask about ヵ

[Anonymous No.]

oh that soudns real ヵッコイイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19474197
>>19474199
ヵヵ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19474205
who is that cutie and is monogatari shit

[Anonymous No.]

all anime is shit especially the ones (you) like

[Anonymous No.]

This afternoon I was about to start doing my reps when I realized my pen was out of ink. So I thought maybe I should buy a brush pen, since they are good for kanji. Then I ended up looking at fountain pens and ink. And basically I spent 10 hours watching videos about pens.

Another successful day of Japanese learning. Now it is 1 AM and I still haven't started my reps.

[Anonymous No.]

you literally woulda learned more nihongo just watching this for 10 hours

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quJvkUlpIVw

[Anonymous No.]

buy a cheap pilot fountain pen like the real nipponjin use
my japanese skill went up immediately after acquiring one
brush pens are overrated, no one can use them correctly, don't even try
even 10,000 hours of anime wont teach you how to brush pen

[Anonymous No.]

万年筆

[Anonymous No.]

これは万年ペンです

[Anonymous No.]

どこ？ぺんを見られない