DJT-Daily Japanese Thread #1970

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Last thread:>>19503423

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あたしは

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Wrong number dumbass.

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Fuck off

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>>19513310
IDK man, when I see 監 I mostly see what appears to be a face scrutinizing and observing.

In the same way, 盗 I also see a face, but it looks more like some anime facial expression of someone stealing/picking someone's pocket with a smug grin.

Breaking it down into its individual parts does nothing for me, even though I'm acutely aware of those parts. The problem is that I did vocab/reading and not RTK, and I've developed awareness for those parts but more closely associate those characters with their sounds in words. Like, I can't imagine anything besides ぬすむ　or とう for 盗, it just immediately pops into my head.

Strangely enough, I remember my first encounter with it some months ago in a larger word, 盗み聞き and simply didn't argue with it. It was clear what it meant when I encountered it in other words.

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>>19513446
dont forget to check the real guide at https://nihongobyjamal.neocities.org/

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this is thread 1972
the next thread is 1973

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thats not actually true either

as far as i know the thread number is actually meaningless at this point cause its not right anyway

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honestly the thread number should just be replaced with "still havent learned japanese since 20xx" whatever year djt started

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>>19513518
we actually went through and figured out the correct thread number several months ago and have kept proper count since, ignoring duplicate threads that got five responses before being deleted and attempts at forking the thread

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why though

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it only took like fifteen minutes okay

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if you didnt manually count every thread how can we trust your rush job

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I did

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last thread ended with another victory for me

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no one cares about your v card keep it to yourself

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I want to talk to a Japanese person in online chat and they would be okay with my poor grammar and help improve it. Where can I do this? There isn't anything like that in the resources.

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>>19513610
figure out how to socialize on your own
・・・・＿＿＿＿＿＿＿＿・・・・・

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>>19513614
holy fuck that's a terrible font lmfao

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>>19513610
>my poor grammar
Listen more.

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>>19513626
why

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>>19513631
too curved and shit, the 口 radical is round, assuming that's even what that is cause i can't even fucking tell with 100% certainty

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>>19513446
。。。ニッポンには貧乏人がいませんとオモいましたが

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>>19513657
sounds like thats your issue

i bet you cant read cool stylized kanji that appear on screen for epic 必殺 moves in shonen anime either

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>とオモイマショタ

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>とオモいましたが

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mattって

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っておもいやした

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>>19513698
i mean i don't know japanese so i wouldn't be able to not regardless of font

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>>19513610
dont do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eitRCKDU9Ic

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>>19513741
all im saying that font is really cute and harmless you shouldnt be intimidated by it

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What is the small っ at the end?

Hanahira!
はなひらっ！

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>>19513800
you getting t boned by some epic nihongo

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will reading vns for 1 year make me good enough for n1

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>>19513780
ﾁｮｯﾄﾏｯﾃ

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>>19513812
Yes, but you still need to watch subbed anime for an additional year in order to pass the listening section.

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>>19513812
2 hours of reading VNs and 3 hours of pure raw anime and audio books for a year can i pass n1?

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>>19513812
YOU STILL GOTTA DRILL FOR THE TEST ITSELF BUT YAH PROLLY

SRY FOR CAPS LOCK

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>>19513988
BASED UPPERCASE POSTER

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>>19513657
What a stupid criticism. Do you also complain when English is written in a stylized font, too?
>the O is square, assuming that's even what that is because I can't even fucking tell with 100% certainty
>why is the Z so different
>why does the Q have such a long tail

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マクドナルド…Dog

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This is probably not too on-topic, but what do you call these scribbles and why do they exist?
I mean, there's plenty of people within the target audience who won't be able to read them.

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Someone post a screenshot of their clipboard inserter VN reading setup, I'm making a chart.

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>>19514066
>but what do you call these scribbles and why do they exist?
hidoi yo anon san those arent scribbles thats japans alphabet*

tl note: its not an alphabet

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>>19514047
well yeah i do think the font looks ugly if it's over stylized even in english, i don't get your point. do you not understand personal taste because you're autistic or what?

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>>19514047
>the O is square,
Valid criticism of his criticism
>why is the Z so different
Valid criticism of his criticism
>why does the Q have such a long tail
Invalid criticism. It doesn't matter how long the tail of Q is because the tail is its characteristic feature. There is no way you can mistake it because the tail was too short or too long.

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>>19514066
if you think that scribbles imagine when you get to real ninja shit

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>>19514066
The author wrote them as he drew.

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>>19514156
Well, he also wrote the rest of the manga, so why were those particular lines left that way?
The one I posted even has its own speech bubble.

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Brainlet impotent (sounds worse than dekinai) here, can someone be kind to me and explain how the kanji in 屈託 create its meaning? I am particularly puzzled by the second character.

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>>19514166
Probably to remind himself which scene it is since he's messy.

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>>19514167
Ask the Chinese.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErnUrhkIIx8

Jesus Christ get on his level.

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>>19514210
just making sure but you do realize that it's super easy to rehearse this to show to impressionable people like you who give him 10$ to access his discord just like he did with his self introduction and muramasa reading video

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>>19514289
>rehearse
Name one thing he couldn't feasibly rehearse? You can't. You need to drop the hate boner.

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Don't understand people who hate on Matt
Like just learn nihongo

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>>19514293
i'd like to see him rehearse an n1 test or a J-CAT test

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>>19514210
Wouldnt be surprised at all if this autist actually played through this game before and had added all the words to his anki deck already

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>>19514204
漢典 returns nothing, not even to 屈托. For that matter I don't understand how the kanji in 退屈 create the meaning of "boredom", as it should be something like "lose strength/vigor and yield" or "back off and submit", but Daijisen lists older meanings that agree with that. By the way, the word 退屈 isn't present in 漢典 either. I guess kanji are a fucking meme after all.

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>>19514210
http://gamedesign.jp/sp/kanji/kanji.js

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i mean look the bottom line it doesnt matter how much matt sucks at nihongo (or in bizarro world how good he is at it)

it has zero impact in anything you do wrt learning nihongo

so yes just do this >>19514300

for the love of kami

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>>19514210
wonder why he looks so bored like he'd done this several times before. nothing comes to mind though

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>>19514360
I only played 5 vns and know 20% of the words in the video. You are just bad.

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>>19514210
did maatt post this after he watched that nukemarine video? damn dude...

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>>19514401
>for the love of kami
KamiSama*

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>>19514407
You knew only 20%? Why are you calling me bad

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>>19514414
kami is better for my post but yeah

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>>19514408
>policenauts in the same category as nursery rhyme
>galaxy angels in the same category as shuffle
>sharnoth in the same category as little busters
>seabed in the same category as "all that mareni shit"
did you make this up based on your (bad) memories of first reading these things or is it that you just don't know japanese and made the entire thing up based on vndb screenshots

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>>19514383
Is it really what keeps you up at night?
I'm sure as a beginner / intermediate you have better stuff to do that trying to make sense of a loanword from a language you apparently don't speak.

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>>19514430
you didn't even point out "優しい", i think that's the most revealing part of his chart

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>>19514418
20x more than you knew

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>>19514448
that got pointed out the last time he posted it so i decided to point at other stuff

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>>19514430
seabed is genuinely hard to follow at times you can read it and just like cross channel have a completely different experience from someone who read it correctly

policenauts is not a text heavy game and things are easy to figure out objectively so it evens out

i think if you can read little busters you can read sharnoth unless you dont know japanese

any other questions

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>>19514454
i'm sorry but if you think something being "hard to follow" puts it on the same level as albatross and astelight i don't think your recommendations are going to be very useful to anyone
you should try rereading seabed now that you actually know japanese and behold how it's basically the same as all the games in the middle column (the ones that are supposed to be there at least)

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>>19514454
>i think if you can read little busters you can read sharnoth unless you dont know japanese
This is only going to be true if you have access to a dictionary and can use it easily. Sharnoth is full of jargon, much of which is supposed to be pronounced differently than if it were a Japanese word, but it doesn't use furigana to indicate this. Additionally, attempting to read it with poor Japanese will prevent you from understanding it at anything more than a surface level.

That, of course, is true of most of the games in the middle category. The thing is, Little Busters should not be considered one of those games. Yes, it has stuff happen that makes it weird, but so does a lot of stuff in the "優しい" column.

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i trust my nigga j over y'all nobodies with no cred doe

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If you want some real advice, just condense your chart into three columns, your judgment isn't accurate enough for four.

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>>19514431
I do as much as I can. My head hurts from reading too much so I think about the kanji I already know in the mean time. Just today, I read until I positively could not proceed. I read the same sentence five times, each time slower, and still couldn't remember what I was reading. So I went back to reviewing my kanji notes, which usually works, but the word 屈託 I found unexplainable.

>Is it really what keeps you up at night?
Being shit for brains generally does.

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>>19514448
no one even understands what difference it makes but ill give you a hint they are definitely アホに優しいgames

>>19514463
seabed is a strange game not as what you see is what you get as a rance etc imo

honestly the difficult categories are pretty barren by my reckoning by default and dont really matter to the kind of person that would seriously be consulting a chart its all the other stuff that does because its supposed to be motivational while also being fully realistic and not bullshit

>>19514485
if you dont like litbus just drive it off a fuckin cliff then

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>>19514402
I can't tell if people are reverse trolling the Matt trolls or if they genuinely think he's meticulously gaming every test to appear more knowledgeable than he is.

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i know i could add nobunagas ambition to the difficult category that would help spruce it up (high level reference gl all)

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>>19514511
>アホに優しい
oh, perfect for me. still bad choice of words when you use actual difficulties for the other columns

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>>19514527
he literally did this with his muramasa video and his self introduction video though

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>>19514043
I love that we do nukemarine posting now

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>>19514527
ill give you a reality check to most people who put videos of anything they do on youtube

they rarely post anything but the best cuts

its just like how people post on the internet

they have complete control over what they put out there and dont so you never really interact in earnest anyway

its much harder to fake shit face to face

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>One of my favorite songs is a nice slow upbeat trance touhou arrange
>Nobody ever translated its lyrics
>Learn Japanese
>The lyrics are the emoest thing on the planet

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>>19513780
>>19513629
Then how do you learn natural dialogue if you never do it?

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I don't know Japanese
I'm never going to understand it. Might as well kill myself

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>>19514613
You wouldn't have that problem if you had good taste.

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>>19514643
Same here, I think. But we can always do kanji study before killing ourselves, anon.

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>>19514657
>>19514643
Should have gotten the kanji study out of the way at the beginning so your learning speed/retention increases by 50%.

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>>19514662
That was perhaps the best time to do that. Now is the second best time.

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The best time to do isolated kanji study is never.

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the people i know who learned japanese the fastest didn't do rtk or genki or any of that. they just read eroge for five hours a day - or more - for two years.

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>>19513988
THE ONLY WAY TO COMBAT LOWERCASE POSTERS

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>>19514698
Trying to follow naturally gifted people's footsteps is a folly unless you happen to be naturally gifted yourself, in which case you will of course notice nothing out of the usual.

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シーフードダイエット中です

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>>19514721
none of them are gifted they just really like porn

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>>19514721
Learning by methods OTHER than reading/listening is for gifted people. Reading/listening work almost exactly as well for everyone. If you're not literally mentally retarded, you can learn Japanese by reading a shitton of eroge.

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I don't even know where to download erogre
I'm just that stupid

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>>19514747
nyaa.si
press "fap" in the navigation bar
vndb
find something you like the look of
copy its japanese name into the search bar on nyaa
identify which (if any) of the results are the game
download

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>>19514753
Thanks buddy

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>>19514759
if nyaa doesn't have a game that you really want consult rutracker and anime-sharing

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>people using anything but PD or AB to find untranslated vns
LOL

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yeah have fun finding new releases on pd in 2018

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>>19514773
that's why i said AB as an alternative

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It was about a year ago today that someone here posted Matt vs Japan's "hating on learn Japanese from anime" video which introduced me to a channel that would change my life forever. I just don't know yet if it was for the good or bad. I'm a good looking, likeable college student who is now completely isolated from the people around me and am wasting my youth, but I've convinced myself that this will be better for me in the long term.

Also don't forget to subscribe to Matt on patreon.

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>>19514807
do you also piss on jugs? that's the most important part of ajatt

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I have to admit that I love that pasta where Matt decides not to go hang out with his friends just so he could learn nihonGO

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>>19514721
can you honestly say that you spent 2 years on task reading basically every day and didnt gain a reasonable amount of proficiency?

im not even gonna talk about shit like fluent because youre not gonna get fluent just from that period

im not even gonna say that you conceptually understand many things from the japanese frame of mind because you probably also wont

but if you do that shit for 2 years you will have the ability to go from there and turn your ugly misshapen hunk japanese familiarity into some nihongo ability

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>>19514510
Google brought me here.

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11150325586

http://kotobahiroi.seesaa.net/article/129993409.html

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>>19514510
>Being shit for brains generally does.
Could you stop begging for compliments, please?

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>>19514894
Since when did djt have so many sluts around here

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>>19514865
The ability to force yourself to tolerate something boring like diving straight into native material that you cannot understand at all is a gift.

And don't make light of this fact. You know how most people are lazy and can't motivate themselves to do jack shit in their lives. Telling someone they can become fluent by reading is about as useful as telling someone they can become taller if they wish hard enough.

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>>19514807
>Matt vs Japan's "hating on learn Japanese from anime" video
I've never seen that. Is it still up? He's mentioned it other videos like his "giant Q&A" but that was posted within the past few months.

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>>19514927
well keep in mind when i say that i am assuming you watched 10000 hours of anime subbed in your native language

so it shouldnt be entirely shit you cant make any headway with

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ITHVNR isn't working with katawa shoujo i'm freaking out

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whassup dekinaitachi

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You should be able to understand this:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=3t3_KKLF_CU

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>>19514872
So it was originally 屈惑... I knew something was off with 屈託/屈托 even after arriving at the same conclusion as that best answer guy from the first link, in part also because of Soseki's haphazard usage, as I got the word from him. Thank you, DJT.

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To transfer Anki data between computers, do I just grab the Anki folder from AppData/Roaming?

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I already read the guide in the OP but I'm still not sure what's the most helpful way to learn kanji symbols. What's the most helpful way you’ve heard of (long-term or short-term doesn’t matter to me)?

I don’t understand hirigana. I mean, I use the keyboard, so it auto-enters the hirigana from romaji, but I want to understand text that people write in kanji symbols. Any help would be appreciated. If it takes a long time to set-up for the practice or the practice itself, I’ll power through. Please suggest if you have an idea.

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this is an edited reddit repost

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What does this 少し痛い目見てもらいましょうか exactly mean? They fuck in the next panel.

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>>19514865
>but if you do that shit for 2 years you will have the ability to go from there and turn your ugly misshapen hunk japanese familiarity into some nihongo ability
Pretty much where I am right now with the misshapen hunk-like Japanese familiarity, wondering what might make it take shape. I mean, give me another 2 years of reading and I might get there, but that could indeed be the difference between gifted and ungifted. Or between average and shit, as may more like be the case, but I have just been told not to speak like that.

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>>19515049
Cut your reading time in half and replace it with listening time, and then multiply that listening time by two.

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>>19515049
youve gotta do more with japanese and youve gotta use japanese

if you only play video games and watch anime youre always only gonna be familiar with japanese but youll never be able to make the whole thing yours

it really doesnt have shit to do with being saske or naurto

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>>19515044
If you understand what everything before 「少し。。。」means you should understand what that phrase means.

人間風情が means "those worthless humans", it's a disparaging comment about humans. It makes sense after what she said previously. She is annoyed.

Someone already explained what 痛い目を見る means.
もらいましょうか can be confusing if you're not familiar with how it can be used.
The whole phrase means "Maybe I'm gonna bully them a bit".

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>>19515053
Gotcha.

>>19515065
Well, I got myself some 漢検 materials, so that's pretty fresh. I have to say I never approached Japanese from that angle. I was always dismissive of kanji and treated them as no more than, so to speak, 記号.

But other than vocabulary my brain still refuses to accept Japanese grammar fully. I don't even know how I got myself in such a mess. That said, I can help out this guy right here:

>>19515044
The easy explanation has already been done, so consider this unnatural rephrasing:
あの人間風情が痛い目を見る（≒にあう）ことも、その人間に文ちゃんがそれをもらおうと（自分は）想っているんだ

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おはようおにいちゃん

これだけはいっておきたくて

げんきいっぱいでいこう

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Is there an anki deck with all the JLPT N2 kanji? I want to be a fucking loser and take the test.

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I had 70% retention in Anki today. I've never been below 80% before. Feels stupid, man.

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>>19515142
I figured it meant something like that, but it'd would have made sense to me if she said あげましょう。I suppose I need to familiarize myself with もらう。

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>>19515179
https://youtu.be/GRj1COY9DCo?t=232

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>>19514807
Was it this post?
>>/jp/thread/S17295476#p17313064

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>>19515185
文ちゃんが…シテあげようと思う　ー＞　文ちゃんがスル予想　（文ちゃんが痛い目を見よう、となる）

文ちゃんが…シテもらおうと思う　ー＞　文ちゃん以外の何者かがスル予想。文ちゃんはシナイのだ。

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>>19515222
Forgot to replace the が on the second line with は. It works with は on both though.

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>>19515222
Oh, it does makes a lot more sense when you write it out like that. I'm not sure why I'm struggling with this to be honest, I'm guessing I'm just not used to this grammar. I'll consume more Japanese.

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>>19515245
It could be because of させる

文ちゃんが人間に何かをサセてあげる　ー＞　人間が、文ちゃんに従って、また、その許可などを得て、スルのだ（スルのが人間）。
文ちゃんが人間に何かをサセてもらう　ー＞　人間が、文ちゃんに許可などを与える。文ちゃんがそれを受け取って、スルことに至る（スルのが文ちゃんのこと）。または人間が許可を文ちゃんに与えずとも、文ちゃんがそれを人間から受け取ったかのように、行動をスル。

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>>19515044
あのんふぜいが

ちょっとにほんごではなしてもらいましょうか

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I've seen a few people mention that yomichan's epwing support is bad or lacking compared to rikaisama's but using yomichan-import you can add epwing dictionaries. Is there other epwing functionality rikaisama provided that I'm unaware of?

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>>19515304
rikaisama can filter what parts of the result is actually displayed via regexes

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What's a good way to start active listening as a beginner?

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i dont even know what that means just watch 10000 hours of anime and not give a fuck about japanese till like halfway through that imo

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>>19515315
Have you tried listening?

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>>19515315
FIND JAPANESE MEDIA THAT YOU ENJOY AND LISTEN TO IT, I PREFER BATSU GAMES

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>>19515315
idk there's not really some super secret method that will tremendously improve it. you just gotta listen to stuff a lot and look up words you start to notice. yes that means being bored to death not understanding shit but that's how it goes.

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>>19515315
>>19515332
though ill say relistening to material that has a transcript you've read multiple times helps so find something like that.

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So I started using the djt anki deck as a supplement the other day.
Almost all of the begining words have been either numbers or (pretty useless) number related stuff.
Does the deck get better later on or does it keep wasting cards on stuff like that?

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AJATT: Shut in dorks worried about sounding native in a foreign language when they don't even sound normal in english

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>>19514934
Subscribe to Matt's patreon for access to the video

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>>19515454
よう　ヴィル　ストルグル　ヴぃト　とーそ　ふうらうあヴィル　ソオ　ゲット　ウセド　ト　イト

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there are no patreon videos. otherwise a djt spy would have posted them here long ago

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>>19515512
Behold, a native speaker of English trying and failing to use a phonetic writing system.

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>>19515525
Nu förstår jag inte riktigt vad du menar bögjävel

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>>19515216
Yeah it was cause I definitely remember the "what's with all the shilling going on?" post being in the same thread.

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I'm using anki and I feel like I'd have better retention if the cards weren't spaced so far apart.
Like if I don't know card A and hit "again" it goes through around 10 other cards before it finally gets back to card A, and by that point I forgot again.
How do I set it so I see cards more frequently (4 or 5 cards in between)?
I tried changing the options but that did nothing: options-> new cards-> Steps-> changed it to 15 seconds instead of one minute for again, had no effect.
reviews-> interval modifier-> changed it to 10% instead of 100%, also no effect
what do

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>>19515536
Damn she's hot.

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>>19515532
I'll accept that as your Swedish accent then. Everyone has a right to an accent. Except for those learning Japanese.

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>>19514293
a test with more than 503 words in its word bank
it's funny that in the comments he mentions every level uses the same word bank, as if he either did it many times or he looked at the source

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>>19515536
click the gear next to the deck then change the interval from 1 10 to 1 5 or something

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anki is not reading

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>>19515487
No I think you are thinking of SIDWASNIAFLWTDESNIE

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>>19515572
Anki sentence cards are definitely reading albeit not very engaging reading.

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>>19515580
sentence cards are not reading

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Any else ever think about how if you had only started watching anime without subtitles from the very beginning then you would be pretty damn fluent right now? Makes me sad :(

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I have been reading japanese novels for months now, finally seeing some improvements, but the amount of vocabulary i have to check up doesn't seem to go down.

When did you guys get to a point where you didn't have to check words every single page? Do we even get to a point in japanese where we can read a light novel without a dictionnary?
The amount of vocabulary seems humongous even when i limit myself to a single novel serie

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>>19515454
You don't think knowing numbers 1-10, 100, 1000 is useful?

Core6k is half very common words, 1/4th kinda common words, and 1/4th words that you could really have skipped in favor of learning more common words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515590
Here we have a superior specimen of our species for he does not realize that us mere mortals must read sentences and cannot merely absorb the meaning of the sentence through our asses.
Prais anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515595
no, the japanese language is infinite

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515611
not an argument
sentence cards are not reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515590
It is if you follow what Matt said and do an hour of meditation a day to control of your concentration which makes you as focused during your reps as a normal person reading the best novel they've ever read. Matt has a ton of other secrets on his patreon but I'm not gonna give them away ;).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515633
ironic shitposting is just shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515598
No not the numbers themselves, more the varilus number counters (same counter 10+ times for each number) that you could've just learned though reading much later on.
It felt like a slog just going through them, I guess I should just skip them for now and stop whinning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515612
I know that the number of words in japanese is finite, so eventually i'll have learn them all at a point but my question is is it even feasible as a second language?
Do japanese native even read light novel without a dictionnary? I just want to know to keep my exceptations in check

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515634
if it's shitting on ajatt it's more like alchemyposting, turning shit into gold

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515662
pretending to be a cultist just invites actual cultists to come and do cult things

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515580
sentence cards are definitely not reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515595
theres always a stray word here or there until you probably have a decade of extensive nihongo under your belt

thats just reality

and then after that decade you most likely just stop caring because its like seeing words in english you dont know but you can probably guess what its doing when you encounter it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515633
How ironic is it if I actually meditate for an hour every day and am on the 5 dollar tier for Matt's patreon? You sound mad that your nihongo sucks because you didn't follow our one true God.
>>19515668
Yeah not for people with a shit tier concentration ability like you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515667
it's true. matt posting of any kind is what gives me strength to continue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515658
>I know that the number of words in japanese is finite
>so eventually i'll have learn them all
you dont even know what a language is
>Do japanese native even read light novel without a dictionnary?
a light novel, yes, a proper novel, no, or at least whether they use a dictionary or not they will not know some words

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515680
concentration has nothing to do with it
sentence cards are not reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515645
If it's tough that means it's necessary. It's when things feel easy you should be worried.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515667
isn't the point of this thread to keep others from learning japanese
if we're lucky we'll create some new cultists

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515699
while numbers and counters are necessary, this post is one of the worst in the thread, you should be ashamed

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515687
It falls in line with every single dictionary definition for reading that exists while the only thing that potentially separates it from reading a book is engagement level which isn't a problem if you meditate like me and have surplus amounts of brain power to allocate where you want it to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515711
it definitely does not and even if it did reading in the context of language acquisition never means merely decoding text to language
sentence cards are not reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515711
have you tried allocating that surplus brain power to learning japanese
perhaps through reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515711
Definitions are not prescriptive and cannot be used in non-legalistic arguments of any kind.

[Anonymous No.]

大辞林 vs 明鏡国語辞典 vs 学研国語大辞典

広辞苑 is out of the question, definitions are ordered historically and not by usage.

[Anonymous No.]

let's get to the real talk

is studying for kanken ikkyu reading, and

does successfully passing kanken ikkyu mean that you know japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515711
well plus you mine sentences from text you read. so saying that sentence mining isn't reading is trivially true at best

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515715
>>19515722
>>19515724
Look at this low attention span fools that that keep parroting the same thing without even providing 1 (one) reason it is not reading. But because I meditate I can come and go on this board upon my own free will, I think I'll go do some reading, but I won't tell you if it is through anki or a novel. Cya nerds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515755
if you provide a valid reason to call if reading that isn't a dictionary definition designed for different contexts then i will provide a valid argument
until then you have not even attempted to make an argument
sentence cards are not reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515736
>広辞苑 is out of the question, definitions are ordered historically and not by usage.
why is this a problem
as for me, 大辞林 followed by 大辞泉

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515736
広辞苑 is also only popular because of marketing, not because it's good.

[Anonymous No.]

look at this meditation masterbaiter with the quadruple (You) and change

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515755
well it'd be through a novel then cause anki isn't reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515745
sure

no (see french dictionary memorizing dude for scrabble taikai)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515699
I mean, its not tough, thats the point, but I did 50 cards today and I feel like half the stuff I learned is stuff I could just infer from the context or look up a couple of times before I learn them naturally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515633
Prove your devotion. Post your progress.
Note: This is a bit misleading because I've watched all videos to completion.

[Anonymous No.]

“He’s the best in the world at what he does, yet there’s no bravado, no ego, no aggression. He just plays the game then rides his bike off,”

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515824
That applies to all of the stuff. You could just start reading now and look up each word.

Not trying to imply anything, simply saying that's an option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515837
if youre gonna post matt shit at least do it right

http://vmashup.com/3rzLGnqy

[Anonymous No.]

Matt-posting is getting kind of old. Please find a new Japanese related e-celeb we can meme about. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

The point isn't to be new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515824
Wow, that surprises me because remembering counters in this language is really hard for me.

[Anonymous No.]

So are we communicating with each other without You-ing now? Is that the new meme

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeKMV6hoCVI

meme away

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515879
Just checked the archives and I'm seeing a lot of the same talking points about Matt extending back into February and earlier. I'm a bit disappointed because I thought I pioneered some shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515941
wtf he's so fricking cute

[Anonymous No.]

@19515939
Going back to our roots

[Anonymous No.]

Matt are you in this thread please come out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515837
i too have watched every matt video but ironically

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515944
are you gonna talk about licking his feet next

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515846
I mean yeah, you have a point, but I feel like the deck should help you get off the ground before it starts throwing 10+ cards dedicated to a single counter.
At 50 cards I thought I'd be somewhat close to finishing at least half of the n5 kanji list (80-ish kanji), but Im not even close.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515941
おもしろくはなさそう

えいごがぜっつよだし

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515973
No wtf I'm not gay I'm just a very objective person who can appreciate the beauty of others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515745
>>19515804
Considering that there are very few resources for 一級 and that they're all in Japanese and that you'd need to understand what they say to actually learn anything from them, I'd say the answer to the second question is yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515973
can i lick your feet jamal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516012
i dont know the tests format and grading cuz that shits gay but it depends on how heavily weighted using words correctly in a sentence is

i think you can memorize everything else without knowing japanese

i bet if someone put up some legit cheese on it someone who doesnt know japanese could figure out how to pass it

maybe make a big donation to matts patreon encouraging him to take it

[Anonymous No.]

Lads, on a scale of 1 to 10 how autistic is my plan of putting off actually learning Japanese to instead grind RTK until i reach 1000 kanji? I'm currently at 500 or so and i think it'll take some 20-30 days for me to reach 1000.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516015
if you can do it through the computer sure have at it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516057
what do you intend to do to actually learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516057
if kanji no longer look like scribbles to you anymore then you can already stop it, you're not gonna get much out of it unless you go all the way through it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516071
I don't know all of the radicals yet though and the stories are useful
>>19516069
lolidk

[Anonymous No.]

I started reading yotsuba after a little longer than a month of studying, its fun, didnt really have any problem so far except 1-3 sentences

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516053
I'm not familiar with it either, but it's a test aimed at native speakers, the passing score is 80%, and it tests you on 四字熟語, etymology, synonyms and antonyms, 同訓異字, among other things, all while requiring you to be able to write kanji and not just read/recognize them. And, of course, pretty much everything it tests you on is stuff that you need to go out of your way to learn, not "regular Japanese". I really can't see anyone who doesn't know Japanese ever passing this test.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516085
you're not gonna learn all the radicals by 1000 anyway, i don't kno why you think only doing half of it is gonna teach all the radicals and not just half the radicals it presents

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516110
I was thinking that at 1000 i can reduce my daily new cards to like 10 or even 5 and thousand ought to be enough to recognize quite a lot of ordinarily used kanji.
All this autism is really a result of trying to do core and getting annoyed at the kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516104
i think all of that stuff that doesnt involve demonstrating any kind of reasoning can all be memorized though

someone would probably need a bit of assistance with what to actually cram but i think everything there besides actual functional use of words in the language (this might even be drillable depending on how the test is formatted) can all just be memorized

i think itd be real gay to do but i think itd be a good scientific experiment to see if it was possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516127
I don't really know anything about the subject but i'd think that someone just trying to memorize would be at a huge disadvantage compared to someone who actually comprehends and on top of that memorizes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516127
I think you're right that it is theoretically possible (with a native speaker who knows Japanese at an 一級 level and also speaks fluent English assisting you), but regardless I still think the answer to the question "is passing 一級 proof of knowing Japanese?" is "99,9% of the time, yes."

[Anonymous No.]

yeah i mean its maximum fuckin retardation but thats what this thread is for

to just be really fuckin retarded and make bad choices as a result of our mental handicaps

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516166
i wonder what the knowing japanese rate is for people who enroll in that exam in the first place

gaijins who have no business fuckin around with it can take it but does that mean they do?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etxdd0ktkaA

meme away

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516057
many rtkdrones put off learning japanese until 2000 or 3000 kanji with rtk, i'd say you're pretty low on the scale and you need to push yourself harder if you really want to drone
>>19516119
this would be a good strategy if rtk order was even influenced by frequency of use

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516202
>you need to push yourself harder if you really want to drone
I'm a bit afraid i become demoralized at some point and ask myself wtf am i spending all this time on i can't even read yotsuba
>this would be a good strategy if rtk order was even influenced by frequency of use
yeah ikr, if it was ordered by frequency i might well stop at 500 already but too bad radicals ain't that nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516057
NukeMarine has taken the most frequent kanji in blocks of 555 and ordered them in RTK order, so that would probably have been the smarter route to take. Maybe. If he has anki decks anyway, which I think he does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516176
For that particular level? Probably 100%. Not many places outside Japan where you can take it, and who would want to waste money and time on a test they can't conceivably pass just by getting lucky?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516220
>I'm a bit afraid i become demoralized at some point and ask myself wtf am i spending all this time on i can't even read yotsuba
if you have autism like me you won't be demoralized. you'll just keep chugging through RTK while literally destroying RTK haters in DJT without knowing an ounce of japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

you hear that ya yanks

get in there and pollute those waters

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516234
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516220
you're going to have to make a hard choice in life:
do you want to learn japanese or rtk
obviously the latter is much more epic and enables you to be a top-tier shitposter
i'd argue it's also more otaku to rtkdrone without learning japanese if that's what you're going for

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516221
Well i'm fourth of the way through already so no turning back now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516261
Nah you could transition if you wanted. But if you plan on finishing most of the book then there's no pressing need to switch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516261
enlightenment is dropping rtk at 1500 and realizing there was always turning back

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516273
dont listen to this tard. sunk cost hit me when i was at 300. you have to keep going.

[Anonymous No.]

rtk more like rtgay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516220
Look up RTK Lite and Super Lite. For Lite you learn 1000 of the most common kanji, but you still do it in RTK order and learn any extra that you need to use as primitives. I think Super Lite is 500. I'm not sure how you get started though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516301
yo what the shit i just checked the archive and thats the first time its been said congrats on being the first to bite the low hanging testicle my dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516320
no way i definitely said that shit

maybe i didnt post it huh

imagine how much more epic shit im not posting right now

[Anonymous No.]

忄

Any tips on what image I should associate with this primitive? I've been loosely picturing someone's "state of mind" in all my stories that incorporate this primitive but it's much harder to remember them because it's so abstract.

[Anonymous No.]

jesus

next question

[Anonymous No.]

一

Any tips on what image I should associate with this primitive? I've been loosely picturing someone's "chinpo" in all my stories that incorporate this primitive but it's much harder to remember them because it's so abstract.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516352
Not bad, because Jesus had a good heart...damn thanks dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>breezing through a comfy ln
>character starts cooking

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7th1CKqbNvw#t=842

meme away boys

[Anonymous No.]

DJＴてきには

ここのがいじんは

ぜんいんこんなん
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLx3j6dCtgg

ようき

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516391
He's right though. Most people would regret spending the time they did on Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516391
This mofo actually came to hold a lecture at an anime con my little sister dragged me tho, gave my sis an autograph even.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516358
>二
gay
>三
really gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516422
big if true

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516422
Where are the balls???

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516432
touching on your chin

k.o.

[Anonymous No.]

入らず (<-zu)

what the fuck is this tae kim doesn't have a section for -ず form and rikai can't fucking say what it is so I can look it up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516416
what fuckin losers

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516436
That only makes my erection harder, you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516432
二 is clearly two gays laying on top of each others and 三 is three gays laying on top of each others ergo really gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516405
あの人はわたしとは違うのです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516437
even jisho will tell you what ず is are you this bad at using the internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516416
i was hoping people would just meme about the truth and make djt a better place

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516445
Honestly that might be too gay. Samsung (三星) surely cannot be gayer than Apple. This raises some questions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516469
what's gay about naming your company really gay star, that just means the star is gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516469
苹果s aren't gay dude fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

how the fuck do i learn names and don't lie and claim they don't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516489
read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb3EQHnrDTA#t=169

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516489
read fantasy where all the names are in katakana and you'll be able to learn those no problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516488
something fruits?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516489
masturbate to a person with that name while calling their name out

the good feeling will create a strong association

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516489
Just read more and always try to pay attention to how a name is written, most of the times when someone reads a name without being told the reading they're just making an educated guess so you're just gonna have to get used to common names.
I know some people make decks for names they encounter while immersing so if you wanna do that go ahead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516448
あかるくいこう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516489
do rtk to learn kanji and then learn the kanji spellings
japs always say which kanji is used to make their name, in my cartoons that is the case atleast

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516489
it's either makoto or akira

[Anonymous No.]

why does kaufmann make a shitload of videos saying basically the same thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516580
how else is he supposed to remind you to join lingq

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516580
dont know who that is but i can already tell you its $$$

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516580
I was thinking about you earlier today as I rewatched some of his videos, and just now again as I alt-tabbed into this thread and read your post as I finished his latest video.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516448
>>19516541
あたしは

あかるくいきようといってる


あかるくしようとして

ばかになるくらいなら

くらいほうがいいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516580
because each time he says them his words reach new people

[Anonymous No.]

How many Light novels have you guys read?

How good are you?

I have read 4 so far, so still new.

[Anonymous No.]

Is steve even good at any of his languages? he seems like one of those meme polyglots that are barely functional in 15 languages instead of knowing any at a competent level

he sounds horrible at everything even if what he's saying is grammatically correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516624
here's what i've read:
0 manga
0 LNs
0 VNs
0 Ns

not good at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516624
I've read about 20 light novles.
All in English tho

[Anonymous No.]

guys i just read 脳 as 胸, am i gonna make it? yes i did do rtk before you tell me that fixes this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516637
steve is one of the few that isn't a meme and also isn't a savant. bless steve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516624
single light novels or entire series counts as one?
I'm about to finish my first LN

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516647
just the other day i read 元気 as もとけ as long as you don't fuck up as hard as me you're gonna be fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516637
When you spend a couple hours every day listening and reading a new language over the course of 50 years you're going to get worse in a lot of them. Steve is based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516580
because he's old

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516647
sorry dude its over for you youre gonna be できない forever

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516659
dunno if it was that bad but the other day i read 服 as 腕 and that bothered me even more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516647
>rtk
Yeah you're never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>barber cuts your hair
>lots of hair on the floor
>sells floorspace
>床屋

this is ingenious as fuck, based japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516647
rtk didn't fix it? that's literally impossible i need to watch another matt video to reaffirm my faith

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516676
i'm reading now what difference does 2 months of wasted time make? a lot of people wasted that time doing core anyway and it's not like i wasn't reading while doing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516647
maybe if you stop doing RTK you might have a chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516688
i'm not doing it anymore so that's good

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516686
>I'm reading now
well actually you're on DJT right now, which isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

Matt told me to only farm words that I see twice or more but the writer isn't using any of the new words multiple times so I just read 3 LN chapters without adding a single word when there was lots of new words, now I'm going to miss my quota for new words for today

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516686
2-4 months is nothing. Don't listen to people who cry about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516694
Good, make sure you don't do core either, as long as you keep reading you'll be fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516686
I don't use anki, So I aM betteR thAn everyone here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516710
I tried core for one day and thought it was too much like memorizing a dictionary so i never did any more of it so don't worry on that front

>>19516712
but do you know japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516694
don't read more. listen more. reading will permanently hinder your ability to listen and ability to speak properly if you do it more than listening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516718
>I tried core for one day
sorry but now your soul is tainted you'd better just stop learning now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516720
>reading will permanently hinder your ability to listen and ability to speak properly if you do it more than listening.
i have no idea how someone can say this and think they're being logical. like you can't get really good at reading and then practice more your listening, so long as you don't start outputting i don't see how even never once doing listening practice would fuck you up permanently

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516712
tfw you correctly read a word you haven't seen in kanji before and you're not happy about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516603
今日の妹どうしたんだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516737
it's the same reason why outputting early will enforce bad grammar habits, except it's even worse because your brain simply doesn't feel like it needs to listen to the nuances of the sound. you hear words and can fill in gaps. you infer what's being said because of your vocab but you're still hindered.

t. my ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516657
I was thinking volumes, because most series have no end. Which series? How good are you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516766
i don't think you understand that i was saying you can always do listening practice later and focus on that instead until you get good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516786
no i understood. if you don't care about having a good accent then it doesn't matter, but if you do care then don't let subvocalization and a lazy mind that uses vocab acquired through reading as a crutch hinder your listening ability

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone here use MAL to track what you are reading and watching?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516812
yea sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516812
Nope that's pointless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516821
So is anki and a lot of people here like that.

[Anonymous No.]

I hope you guys aren't using headphone for your listening practice. You may not know this, but Japanese don't come up and speak directly in your ears. You should be listening on speakers that are roughly 3 feet away and you should have the volume relatively low because Japanese people are low talkers. If you use headphones you will never have fluent listening. That is why Matt is an eternal beginner. He spent thousands of hours listening with earphones (which are even worse than headphones!) so his brain can never get used to listening to actual Japanese people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516809
i don't get how you think that having a good reading would permanently hinder you because of your vocab you got from that, if anything that should help you more unless you're talking about watching anime with subtitles which isn't really listening practice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516812
my anime list is a txt document with a creation date in the 1990s

>>19516825
死ねバーカ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516812
MAL is for normies

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516647
I've been more and more often misreading 建物 (たてもの) as けんぶつ lately, even though my ability to read texts correctly has been increasing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516825
are you saying all Japanese people talk 3 feet away from each other? You're going to be totally unprepared if someone calls you on the phone, or hits you up on discord or something. and god help you if a Japanese guy talks to you from like 5 feet away, you'll never be able to hear him! You need to setup a surround sound system that works with vr and program a vr game where you can listen to Japanese people at varying distances. If you don't do this you're pretty much never going to be able to talk to someone in Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516831
You stared learning japanese in the 90s? or is it all anime raw and subbed? Well I meant for people keeping track of their raw japanese.

Heres mine: https://myanimelist.net/animelist/NihongoNikki

Anyone else have one if so I am interested in seeing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516829
reading didn't teach you the sound of the language. it taught you an approximation of the sound (subvocalization) which is then inculcated in the same way early output inculcates other bad habits. can it be overcome? probably but it's extremely difficult because your brain will just say "i already know how this word sounds" and just try to skip over it.

t. my ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516867
i've never seen so much unsubstantiated conjecture but i'll let it pass since you sourced your ass i guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516856
Info: Access to certain pages/functions have been temporarily restricted. Please read all of the details from this link.

nice fuckin website you got there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516875
>posts conjecture
>get conjecture back
wow wtf.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516842
The word normie is for 出来ないs please use リア充

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516877
great innit

[Anonymous No.]

deconstruction of djt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqgNHa6X4E

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516897
well you posted at me first saying that reading practice hinders your listening practice so that was you posting conjecture on me, i was saying things i thought were common sense but you apparently don't think so cause matt said so

[Anonymous No.]

beautiful thing about this thread is that every single person can only rely on conjecture to defend their beliefs so we can make up whatever we want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516913
I doubt he would understand it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516867
>it's extremely difficult because your brain will just say "i already know how this word sounds"
when you are putting your attention on what you are listening to you will notice even small details that are contrary to your expectation and learn from them
t. my anecdote and my ass

personally i think that you should listen daily from start but that there is no risk from your reading hours outnumbering your listening hours
t. only my ass

also maybe some dedicated shadowing time or other meme shit
t. dogen's ass

[Anonymous No.]

If I feel like a light novel or manga has too many words in kana should I switch for something that activates my almonds and actually refreshes the kanji in my mind every time I see them

[Anonymous No.]

Just noticed Yomichan can't de-conjugate 行った（いった） or 行って（いって）. It also can't do causitives properly still either, even though an issue was reported on GitHub about it over 4 months ago:
https://github.com/FooSoft/yomichan/issues/118

Rikaichamp with Anki support when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516997
Do you understand everything in the light novel? Do you feel like you could write a light novel in japanese? If not stick with it until you can, if you do not, then you will sound terrible in japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

would really like an epwing with pitch for yomichan

[Anonymous No.]

how about i pitch my foot up your ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517025
only if you let me lick it first

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516997
i'd say it depends on how long you'll be sticking with it if you don't switch, or if you are alternating between a couple of different reading materials
there's nothing wrong with taking a break from the constant kanji refresh to power through some japanese and focus on the language itself rather than the writing system

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>>19517034
so youll lick other dudes feet too huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517047
wtf i thought i knew how to distinguish jamal's posts by now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517015
daijirin in the epwing pack

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517050
slut

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517047
only if they're cute. i'm no homo after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516337
It's the heart radical

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517050
you gotta put your best foot forward and be a good little footsoldier if you wanna stay alive in this game of footie

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517078
It's easier to use a separate image so you don't mis-remember the form.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517078
this, memorizing variants under different words is overcomplication
you don't need to mix that into your mnemonic just like you don't need your mnemonic to say which component is where in the kanji, at least in my experience
those kinds of mistakes made up less than 10%, maybe less than 5% of my failed cards, 90% were forgetting what components were in the kanji entirely

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516580
>why does kaufmann make a shitload of videos saying basically the same thing?
1. Not everyone watches every video
2. People always want new videos, even if they say the same thing
3. Some people need to hear the same thing said in a hundred ways before they actually listen

Steve is one of my favorite Youtubers. I've watched almost every video of his at least once.

>>19516812
I use MAL for English subbed anime and raw manga/LNs. I've never read any manga/LNs in English so I don't have to worry about keeping track of that.
For raw anime I use my Excel spreadsheet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517093
individual kanji study itself is overcomplication

it's like studying spelling while learning english. completely meaningless.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q3ef4IUBOg#t=209

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517093
In my experience it's not an overcomplication. Distinguishing forms of a component has helped me recall kanji before. Hell, distinguishing a component that retains its form but is located elsewhere has helped me, like the two different combos of "thread" and "rice field".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517096
>I've never read any manga/LNs in English
well yeah cause manga isn't reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517103
not true, more like learning the alphabet before trying to learn English

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517113
the alphabet is hiragana

alphabet 2 is katanakana

kanji is just wingdings

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517113
don't compare the alphabet to kanji, the alphabet is way more efficient and way less shit so just stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516812
Only for manga, got about 300 volumes so far.

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>>19517123
most words are written with kanji so idk wtf you're tryna say there
>>19517128
yeah it's way better but they're same in the way that you need to know it before you can read and write

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517144
だ・か・ら im saying that japanese is bull shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517151
not gonna argue with you there, fuck this language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19515745
1)Yes
2)Yes, but 一級 is focused on early modern Japanese, the era from the bakumatsu period to about mid-Taisho, so you could pass 一級 yet be unable to read kids' manga because they're effectively different languages.

I'll be taking 一級 this October and have been studying pretty hard for it. I'm pretty confident of passing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517144
he's prolly tryna say that comparing a syllabary to an alphabet is less stupid than comparing logographs to an alphabet
you don't need to know it "before" you can read, you can learn it alongside reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517165
are you better than busensei at actual japanese or are you truly following in his footsteps

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517165
すんっごい

ぜったいまけないで

わたしもおうえんしてるからがんばって

[Anonymous No.]

i wonder if jamal is imouto

[Anonymous No.]

you shouldnt cause that shits はなしにならない

[Anonymous No.]

hanasi janai tekisto da

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517202
when i started posting here a year ago imoutoposting was insanely rampant, then when i took a break from DJT between new year and april suddenly jamal had appeared here and there was no imoutoposting to speak of

i've also thought about this

[Anonymous No.]

im not i promise

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517219
i'll believe you if you rap battle yourself but claim that one of the voices is imouto

[Anonymous No.]

Who's jamal?

[Anonymous No.]

だれも

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517224
ok here you go

http://vmashup.com/3rzLGnqy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517237
i don't know why but i have a gut feeling that you're not fronting as hard as まあさん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516127
>i think all of that stuff that doesnt involve demonstrating any kind of reasoning can all be memorized though

It *might* be possible to brute-force your way through with nothing but rote memorisation, but that would actually be massively *more* work than acquiring a genuinely good understanding of the characters, their development and relationships to one another, etc.

For example: 咽. To be able to give it the correct pronunciation, it's necessary to understand how it's being used in a compound.

咽喉：インコウ、イン where it connotes "throat"
咽下：エンゲ・エンカ、エン where it connotes "swallow", cognate with 嚥
哽咽：コウエツ、エツ where it connotes "choking", cognate with 噎

What's easier and smarter? Memorising each reading in each compound one by one, or really *learning* the character?

I would say it's definitely possible to autism your way through 二級 because the scope is quite finite, but 準一級 or 一級? Not likely. There's just too much to know.

Some sections, yeah, you just have to have had experience with the compound or whatever. Example:

陶朱○○

What's the second part of the 四字熟語? 猗頓.

But since both 陶朱 and 猗頓 are proper names, how the fuck could anyone possibly figure that out on the fly? Can't be done.

But, having written that, outside of the 四字熟語 and 諺・故事 sections, there's a fair amount of room for intelligent guessing.

[Anonymous No.]

hey guys i'm p new to japanese and i'm wondering if anyone knows any cool fun epic ways to remember te and maybe ta?? forms of verbs (:!

[Anonymous No.]

What's the difference between 行くand 行こ? Nothing?

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>>19517181
I only learned of that guy recently. From what I can tell, he really does know his shit, though.

No, I'm not trying to follow in his footsteps, I just really like studying the stuff and thought it would be a good idea to turn it into a useful certification.

I've had 準一級 for years now, so I figured it was time to finish this path. As a translator, 準一級 looks good, but 一級 looks even better.

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>>19517247
im definitely more retarded than him though

hes making patreon millions and im here doing it for free just cause i want the hood to eat

>>19517289
i mean i cant fill in that blank no matter how hard id try fuck on the fly and ive played nobunagas ambition and listened to this https://soundcloud.com/nichibeihiphop/mouri-motonari so im pretty knowledgeable when it comes to the classics

sounds like those tests are truly for knowers of cave etchings

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517194
有難う御座います。勇往邁進してます！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517289
>Memorising each reading in each compound one by one, or really *learning* the character?
learning usage patterns can be a part of memorization, if you try to be a little bit more efficient about the approach
the rest of what you've said makes sense to me
good luck by the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517104
This guy was in Tokyo Tribe, wasn't he? Didn't know he was an actual rapper, thought he was just an actor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517316
>sounds like those tests are truly for knowers of cave etchings

Parts of it, yeah, but knowing something like 陶朱猗頓 as a byword for "rich guy" is not terribly unlike understanding references to Mammon and Croesus, if "Croesus" were spelled with a letter you'd probably never see in any other word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517338
Thanks, mate. I'm actually really enjoying the studying, and it ain't work if it's fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517350
thats d mother fuckin o

hes og

that movies new school but its got some real gs in it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517350
(not the one from your time code, the one at the beginning of the video)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517365
yeah thats waht im talkin about

though dos clique is og too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517165
Please be real.

[Anonymous No.]

man it sux first uzi got sentenced to life in prison for weed and now they got do locked up probably getting the death penalty all over a little hash

let us all pour out our pocari sweats for our fallen ninjas

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517416
>pocari sweats
Ew, I don't drink that shit. Give me some calpis water instead.

[Anonymous No.]

i just said that to sound as offensive as possible

i personally only drink 天然水

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517406
Eh? Why wouldn't I be real?

[Anonymous No.]

As someone who's still trying to wrap their head around Kanji... paired kanji change meanings, and meanings are also changed with okurigana, but kanji can also be paired with okurigana? For instance 思い出す means recall, but it's made up of 思い (to think) and 出す (put out). Is 思い出す forming a new word or does to think and put out = remembering to Japanese somehow? I'm trying to think of the best way to word this but I'm failing miserably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517424
Just seems pretty surreal that someone of your power level would post here.
By the way, how are you studying and how long have you been studying for 漢検 (not just 一級 specifically)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517433
Just think of it as a compound verb, which it what it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517433
theres no smoke screens or mind tricks here 思い出す is not tricky

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>>19517458
Not so much mind tricks but more like, does the pairing of the kanji make sense literally, like hypothetically you could work out the definition of to recall based on the definitions of both parts, or is it one of those things where you really just need to know what the compound word means?

>>19517448
Thanks, I guess that makes more sense. Is this sort of thing common? Because I usually see paired kanji without the okurigana in between.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517448
is it the same as "mind games" playing games with ones mind for example?

[Anonymous No.]

I just had to mash good through my reps. I'm exhausted and don't have time to study but don't want to miss a day in anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517448
In addition to >>19517478, a compound word in English is like "forcefeed". That makes sense, you are feeding someone forcibly. But in the example I gave, it doesn't make sense at all when taking 思い and 出す literally. It seems more like you can't really pay attention to the parts and you really just need to know the whole. That was what I was trying to ask.

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>>19517478
i mean you also have words like 走り出す and 逃げ出す and theres obviously commonality in how it works but you need to do it the nihongo way and not with english

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>>19517441
That's fair.

I check these threads occasionally to get some insight into others' learning methods, sometimes it's fun to help other learners. I'm kinda just relaxing and killing time today since it's so fucking hot here right now.

Pic is my desk. I study in various ways: older tests (obviously), learning one or two dozen 四字熟語 each day, sometimes just "closing out" characters with certain radicals (I know all kanji with 鳥 that will show up on the test, for example), I read stuff like Souseki and Fukuzawa, all kinds of ways, I guess.

I've been hard-core studying for a few months now and can pass old tests with about 95%, so I'm reasonably sure of passing, but you never know. They loooooove to use ridiculously rare readings and such, so you really have to know your stuff. They also reduced/eliminated the 国字 section a few years ago, presumably because it was too easy. It isn't exactly difficult to remember that 褄 is pronounced つま, you know?

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>>19517478
remember that kanji aren't words, but sometimes there are words which are written with a single kanji, so 人間 should not be considered to be 人 and 間 while 思い出す should be thought of as 思い and 出す (but it's also an extremely common compound that can be thought of as a stand-alone word)
this isn't just about okurigana, you can make a big compound noun out of smaller nouns, but the reading will be the same as in the individual nouns
as for the original question, there are patterns to it, you just need exposure to get used to it, don't overthink it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517515
wheres your pee jugs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517534
piss jugs are for fronting not for mastery

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517534
Heh, I don't think my wife would appreciate me keeping pee jugs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517515
Nice. Do you like otaku media or are you only into "serious" stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517539
ahaha i know what thats like dude i cant even leave my socks on the floor without getting bitched at

and they arent even the ones i jack off in

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517515
You should check out Mareni-sama's works if you haven't already, they might help too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517520
Thanks, that clears things up. Especially related to 思い出す. I would never think that 思い + 出す would mean "remember", but at least knowing that they should be thought of as individual words makes things less confusing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517547
I'm mostly into more serious stuff, politics, history, that sort of thing. I have a serious fetish for propaganda materials (pic related).

I don't watch anime or read manga, but I do have a soft spot for JRPGs. I have a Super Famicom and games like 聖剣伝説２＋３、がんばれゴエモン and such.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517559
mareni is actually just light recreational reading sort of like a light novel if you will in the eyes of the hyper literate this is neither the time nor the place for games

>>19517580
nice toes but watch out theres a dude in this thread thats gonna want to lick them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517588
>nice toes but watch out theres a dude in this thread thats gonna want to lick them

Ugh, there's always one of those around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517598
>one
oh no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517598
you just gotta think on your feet and have good footwork

[Anonymous No.]

Is から ever used as just emphasis? There are sometimes sentences ending in から that don't need a "because" or "from" or "by", such as in なんでも ありませんから which means "It's nothing." with or without the から attached.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517623
i don't know japanese but that seems like a likely place for it to in fact mean "because" and i would wonder if i misunderstood the preceding sentences

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517665
The preceding sentence was "what's wrong?". So in that case it would be "because nothing". I know you can't make a direct translation but it still seems like the から is unnecessary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517686
"It's nothing, so..." [don't trouble yourself, stop pestering me, etc.] (Of course, it would be stupid to translate it like that, but that's why から is there.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517781
I thought から needed a preceding statement to be used as a reason, but if it can literally be added to anything like the English "so...." then that makes a lot more sense (and will probably add more confusion later since it's kinda vague).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517515
What dictionary do you use for looking up kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys think about this formatting for self-made vocabulary cards? Should I change anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517857
if you use example sentences don't put a full sentence translation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516102
>>19516220
>>19517165
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517857
Looks OK but not worth the effort compared to just pushing a button in Yomichan. All the stuff on that card is going to be obsolete soon, no need to polish it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517857
Not sure about your level but I would get rid of everything below the example sentence (incl. the translation)

Not because you'll learn better or anything, but because it reduces the time you spend on each card (including the time spent manually making them), as well as your total anki time.

If you don't understand the sentence, then suspend the card, or even just ignore it until you can. The definition is by far the most important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19516755
どうしてほしいの

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517857
You're still learning 来た and 隣 but you're putting such an unusual word like 引っ越す in your deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517902
I'm familiar with 来た but of the few raw manga I have read, 引っ越す has come up on multiple occasions so I can't imagine it is very obscure.

I could probably do without the 来た definition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517896
>Not sure about your level but I would get rid of everything below the example sentence (incl. the translation)
I would say I know maybe 400 words and am only comfortably familiar with 2/3 of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517902
all three are genki-tier classroom words, there's no big difference

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517932
>manga I have read
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517973
manga is eating

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517979
That too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517847
I find 漢字源 is probably the best all-around resource for getting a good grasp of individual kanji. I use other dictionaries as well, but 99 times out of 100, it has what I need while not cluttering up results with extraordinarily rare stuff.

I recommend something like pic-related, if you want to go the electronic route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517939
Did you learn grammar? Why does the bottom have 引っ越して again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517990
>1977 pages
Yes, this'll do. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517857
you can keep example sentence but remove translation
add native audio

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517994
>Why does the bottom have 引っ越して again?
That example sentence was used for another card as well, so I just copy / pasted for the sake of brevity.

>>19517994
>Did you learn grammar
I know about simple sentence structure and conjugating verbs, not not super indepth. Ffigure I should hold off on getting to like page 300 of Tae Kim when I should be learning vocabulary also.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518006
>add native audio
I'll have to look into how to do this automatically, that seems pretty useful but I'm not gonna record myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19517990
How many years did you study?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518174
It's really hard to say... Sometimes I won't crack a single books for months, other times I'll be buried in study materials for weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518306
Did you do RTK?

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best source for looking up slang? I've tried Jisho but it doesn't usually work. For instance とうでもいい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518313
I did.

I think RTK's method is generally a good idea, but it also has significant flaws too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518335
You might find this interesting:

eigoslang.com

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518360
That looks hilarious but I actually mean the other way around. Sometimes I will hear slang terms in casual conversation that I can't find a definition for on sites like Jisho. Is there like an urban dictionary for Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518369
Sorry, I don't know anything like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518360
>>19518369
also
>人気スラング
>zomg
これは２００６年ですか

[Anonymous No.]

https://netyougo.com/

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1D8LfENh94
Will using this for listening practice ruin my accent? I think it sounds really cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518421
If you want to sound like an autistic foreigner go for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518421
you know thats a fake accent right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518469
Ya, I wish there was a VN with a real Russian accent.

[Anonymous No.]

女心と秋の空
男心と秋の空

[Anonymous No.]

私はペンです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518510
僕も。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518487
なんでやねん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518510
あたしはコップです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518570
>>19518549
>>19518510
いいえ、お前らはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518592
ゲイでした。今はペン。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518477
Based purely on what I know of Russian accent by listening to myself (being Russian), it means a very annoying tendency to merge accent-less vowels so that carelessly spoken "kusa" sounds (approximately) like "kuso". I guess being bad at nasals too. Excluding nasals however, on the whole the consonants of Japanese, especially considering palatalized consonants, are similar to Russian consonants, so pronouncing them correctly takes little effort. For example, the natural Japanese pronunciation is to palatalize the "m" in "mi", and so is the natural Russian pronunciation. On the other hand, for speaking something like English without a heavy accent, you have to relearn everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518421
My ears.

[Anonymous No.]

祇園精舎の鐘の声
諸行無常の響きあり
沙羅双樹の花の色
精舎必衰の理をあらわす
驕れる者も久しからず
ただ春の夜の夢の如し
たけき者も遂に滅びぬ
偏に風の前の塵に同じ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxlA4LrFM4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518793
>精舎必衰
Wrong character? should be 盛者必衰

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518884
whoops

[Anonymous No.]

>>19518353
RTK is retarded and you're retarded for having done it.

[Anonymous No.]

すっごいあつさ

クーラーはかみさまよりもすごいとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519147
RTK overcomes hurdles that traditional methods don't, which is its strength. There's a decent write-up on this here http://www.kanjiclinic.com/kc5final.htm

Basically, for a non-Japanese it is difficult /impractical to start learning kanji's phonetic components, and you basically have to brute-force a few hundred kanji before things start "clicking". RTK makes this process easier.

[Anonymous No.]

are there any other words like 挨拶 whose kanji literally only appear in that one word and zero others?
the absolute state of the japanese language

[Anonymous No.]

I got invited by a japanese person to join their guild. How do I politely turn them down? I got this so far from google translate, but I don't know a lick of japanese so who knows if this is any good.

私をスカウトしてくれてありがとうが、別の団に加わることに決めた。 ごめんなさい。

[Anonymous No.]

あの人はいつもそう言うの
人は疑うものだと
だけど私は信じてみるの
僅かな奇跡を

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519274
too wordy. this is much more succinct and is a polite and useful way to turn down many things:
私はゲイです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519265
I think the 詈（り） in 罵詈雑言（ばりぞうごん） isn't useful outside of that word and perhaps 罵詈 itself. It means the same as 罵.
There doesn't seem to be any other use for the 逍 in 逍遥（しょうよう） either, though I guess in Japanese it can be used for spelling さまよう, the way 詈 can be used to spell ののしる. A bunch of such 漢字 out there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519284
But I'm not gay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519337
doesn't matter
on the internet nobody knows you're a dog

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519322
nice examples
are you able to recognise these kanji when you come across them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519337
えいごでしゃべってたら

すぐむこうからバンしてくれるでしょ

えいごでしもねた

[Anonymous No.]

>>19514533
what is it? kind to retards genre?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519379
I would recognize 詈 in isolation, not sure about 逍. I kind of depend on having it be followed by 遥. I think I will recognize it from now on, though.

A month ago I would have said I'm confused even by Joyo kanji in isolation, but studying them now has been giving me good results. I'm becoming more literate. Speaking of Joyo kanji, 朕 is not a very useful one other than to stand on its own as the first-person pronoun of royalty. I prefer to read it as われ, which is allowed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519274
弱小ギルドに用はないよＨＡＨＡＨＡ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519265
Many of the animal kanji. 蝙蝠、蜘蛛、蚯蚓、etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519482
true, also 麒麟
at least these are often written with just kana, unlike 挨拶

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519482
それたのしい？

さかなのゆのみ

いる？

あのんならもうもってるよね

[Anonymous No.]

100 reasons why learning japanese is torture for everyone involved

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519409
yeah you got it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519542
I'm glad Japanese exists. It's a language truly like no other. Even Korean and Chinese seem normal next to it. Of course, Japanese monolinguals don't get as much from this. The real deal is to be fluent in a completely different language, like English, to have an outsiders perspective on Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

p-post feet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519482
How do chinks handle stuff like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519577
Also, I would recommend studying Latin in order to fill in the gaps of English. It is well known that the best, time-tested and true method of learning English grammar, especially for native speakers, is by learning Latin grammar. In fact, I believe English+Latin to be the full suite to learning high level English, just as Japanese+kanji is the full suite to high level Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519609
I have always wanted to learn latin - is it something you can teach yourself? our school system didn't even teach us the definition of an adverb let alone verb moods like subjunctive

[Anonymous No.]

>>19519599
all six of those kanji have phonetic components and readings in chinese which follow them, unlike japanese

if you can read 扁富知朱丘引 it's not hard (yes the 2nd one is off but that's either not a kanji or I'm blanking hard)

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>>19519626
Well, is Japanese something you can teach yourself? For Latin, start with Lingua Latina per se illustrata in order to get a feel for the language, then read through Wheelock. You may quit LLPSI at some point, but don't quit Wheelock if you intend to learn about grammar.

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>>19519630
>that's either not a kanji or I'm blanking hard
I don't think the component itself is a kanji, but it's the one from 福, 副 etc.

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>>19519661
I'm already teaching myself japanese but I'm surrounded by japanese people so it's kind of natural. hard to find native latin speakers these days

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>>19519661
genuinely, thank you for the pointers to latin resources, I didn't expect to get that kind of thing here

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>>19519630
>>19519664
>not studing JIS level 3 and 4 kanji
It's of course 畐

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>>19519691
>I didn't expect to get that kind of thing here
What did you expect to find here, foot worship?

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>>19519682
There's a quite substantial amount of texts written by native speakers of Latin during the days of the Roman republic and empire, which you can read at any time.

>>19519691
You can try ThePrinceSterling's channel on YouTube for listening practice, as a final recommendation. He has a natural flow.

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>>19519724
post feet

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>>19519729
What is Latin equivalent of moege?

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>>19519769
I feel "moe" from Cicero's orations. They're burning with passion.

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>>19519769
ludum puellis

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>>19519842
or alternatively bellus ludum, if you want to emphasize the game or the subject matter of the game.

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Daily Latin Thread

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>>19519842
>>19519923
Not sure about these words, to say the least.

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vernum ad kentus
septum ante centus
lentos ex tentus
I passed latin in 7th grade and have not studied a single letter of it since. All I know now are random sounds that my brain thinks go together.

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Is latin really a dead language when people still speak it? Is it any more dead than some tribal language that 300 people max speak? Is our definition of dead language one that isn't the primary language of any country?

>>19519953
ludum puellis should be school girls, and bellus ludum is the closest I could come to "cute game" with my limited vocabulary.

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>>19519987
A language is dead when it has no native speakers.

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>>19517899
そのままでいてほしい

>>19518824
yung spidey sweater absolutely rippin it up

>>19519274
holy moley just join the guild

>>19519578
no

>>19519747
no 2 return of teh no

>>19519954
homosexualis sum

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>>19519994
Seems like a shitty criteria to me. If people still speak it then it isn't truly dead, though I guess it's just semantics at that point. Also I could be wrong but isn't Latin the official language in the Vatican?

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>>19519630
>>19519664
I learned it as "wealth" in RTK. Thanks Heisig.

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>>19520025
Being an official language of somewhere means absolutely jack shit for whether it's still evolving and whether anybody who knows it actually knows it well enough to think all their daily thoughts in it.

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>>19519954
Comparable to the level of Japanese of people who watch subbed anime and make no other effort at getting to know the language.

>>19519948
habemus diurnum filum latinum

>>19519987
Ludum puellis means "bring the fun (or the school) to the girls" or "fun/play/school by the way of girls", which accidentally manages to sort of fit the meaning of moege. Bellus ludum is ungrammatical random noises.

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>>19519987
It's not used anywhere organically, therefore dead.

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>>19520069
>Ludum puellis means "bring the fun (or the school) to the girls" or "fun/play/school by the way of girls", which accidentally manages to sort of fit the meaning of moege.
I tried my best. I'm not an expert.

>>19520042
>Being an official language of somewhere means absolutely jack shit for whether it's still evolving and whether anybody who knows it actually knows it well enough to think all their daily thoughts in it.
I meant more in that people grow up learning it there still, like even the ATMs are in latin.

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Not to mention Latin is boring and pointless and you're an asshole for mentioning it.

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>>19520109
I'm the one who mentioned it, and what I think really is boring and pointless is arguing whether Latin might be a dead language or not. Well, of course, this being DJT, asinine discussions get a priority. I'm quite done with mentioning Latin for now, too.

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>>19520145
don't regret its mention senpai, I was grateful for your contribution

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>>19520145
We should go back to licking feet and eating manga. The quality discussion that DJT is known for.

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I finish RTK 1 in less than a month.

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you guys shoulda asked the weirdly epic literate guy to teach yall nihongo

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goodnight anons, I'm going to try and do some bed time reading (10 minute short stories for 4th graders - only takes me about 2 hours each)

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>>19520151
In that case I may attempt to redeem the status of the phrase "bellus ludum". You see, with regard to the usage of the accusative case in poetry, this meaning comes naturally: "the pretty/charming one(male) [heads] to school" or "to the place with fun". Not bad for many VNs. But I mean, this isn't the DLT (which does not exist), and such exercises do little to excite.

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>>19520254
Goodnight. Nihongo be with you.

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>>19520238
maybe we should start memeing him and kanken instead of matt and ajatt, because it's clear who has the higher power level

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any of you guys wanna ligma?

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i dont care who you meme cause ultimately this is my dream for all you lil bears trapped in the djt sewer

https://twitter.com/CPW_SE/status/1022627674097741825

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>tfw finish learning Japanese and it turns out that now I gotta learn latin

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why cant you just let it sound mystical like its intended

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>>19520400
Don't forget that you also need to learn German to be able to fully understand and appreciate Dies irae and other similar literary works.