DJT- Daily Japanese Thread #1979

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in degeneracy media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you do not have autism or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

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こんにちは

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So i've been learning Japanese for a little over a year now, but I haven't focused on speaking or production at all. I'll be studying abroad in Japan for the summer in about another year, so I figured it was probably a good time to start. Any good resources for getting started aside from Dogen so I don't end up getting a fucked up accent, or is he about the best i'll get?

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>>19587706
Me in the front.

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>94% retention today
>got through my reps faster than I have in a month
Feels good.

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minna ga ganbaranasai kudasai yo

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>>19587706
Me in the back with the giant taiyaki

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>85% retention today
>took me 50 minutes longer than usual
Fucking kill me.

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>>19587923
I have those days too. Which makes the rare good performances feel better.

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How should you study 人名用漢字?
I couldn't find an Anki deck specifically for this, and there seems to be a large amount of characters that aren't included in the 常用 list.

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>>19588029
RTK3 covers most of them

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Wait really? Or are you just making fun of the fact that RTK doesn't really teach you kanji?

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>>19588060
RTK3 teaches you words for them too.

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RTK3 taught me how to ride a bike

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no, rtk3 really does cover many of those
that's why people don't like rtk3, because it's only useful for people's names, and it's really hard to learn the readings because they don't come up very often in practice

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>>19588048
I don't know anything about RTK as I went with KKLC. Is there a separate deck for that?

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>>19588082
>jinmeiyou only useful for peoples names
You clearly don't know Japanese

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nobody here knows nihongo

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>>19588089
What else are they useful for.

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>>19588114
https://github.com/sdcr/heisig-kanjis/blob/master/heisig-kanjis.csv

Look at the keywords. They are almost all used in all kinds of words, not just proper nouns. You see them all the time when you start reading novels.

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https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

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>how 2 become this dekinai?

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>>19588216
Literally me, but 3 years

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ultimate dekinai starter pack

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>>19588216
What a rollercoaster.

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>>19588216
>I started learning the alphabet which I mastered easily (I make mistakes in katakana...
lol

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>>19588216
Someone should here should tell him to consume native content every day because I'm afraid redditors will tell him to read tobira or something.

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yea save the poor redditor guys

whats next helping nuke marine learn japanese? lmao

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Nuke is here to teach US Japanese dude.

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fucked if true

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>>19588216
>the ones who are advanced in Japanese know that there is a lot of things in Japanese that could be improved, things that are unnecessary the very use of Kanji is nonsense
my favourite sentence, good laugh

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Would learning japanese as a native portuguese speaker be easier? Considering how close the two countries were historically.

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>>19588415
Is that a new dialect?

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>>19588216
>a urge
grammar study strikes again

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>>19588479
Yea it takes about 10 years to learn it though.

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>>19588480
grammar study or not people get lazy with their L2s and won't use proper grammar. their minds will just automatically skip over the grammar points and pay more attention to the vocab/content

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I accidentally Japanese over several years and became fluent, so you can do it too. Just be yourself.

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>>19588515
But who am I?

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>>19588519
As long as you're not someone who can't learn Japanese you'll be fine

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>>19588530
I'm actually chinesekin

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「どちらも暗い中で目を動かしているのは同じなのだが、レム睡眠中の方は視覚野が盛んに働き、まさに夢を「見ている」状態なのだ。」・How is the 「中」read here?？

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>>19588555
However you feel like dude.

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>>19588568
なか　Or ちゅう？　Please

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>calls them ru and u instead of ichidan and godan
Who is this Kim retard anyway? Seems like a dipshit.

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>>19588589
>needs to know if a verb is godan or itidan
IMMERSE

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>>19588596
Immersing before I learn conjugation rules?
How will I understand jack shit?

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>>19588604
through context

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Noob learner here.
Is 「俺今は暇です」the correct way to say 'I'm free right now'?

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>>19588621
えんこんって一体何なんだ

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just look at this shit

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>>19588700
Yeah her face looks kinda funny

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>>19588580
なか
"〜の中" is read as "〜のなか".

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>>19588700
what VN is this

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>calls them na adjective instead of keiyoudousi
Maybe Tae Kim sizuka ni sita hou ga ii to omoimasu

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>>19588216

googled his username, he's from Brazil..I thought you guys were good at nippongo

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>>19588757
imagine being this retartted

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>>19588604
If you can see that 食べます and 作ります are the same form and you know what that form sort of means, then you're golden. You don't have to be able to produce the forms yourself to immerse

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>>19588638
「俺」ってそんなに失礼んかい？

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>>19588700
ないすばでー　in hiragana makes me cry

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>>19588857
いや全然
俺が最高だ

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>>19588867
it shouldnt you just dont get it because retard

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Will I have an easier time learning japanese if I have a small penis? Asking for a friend

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size always matters

it always matters

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>>19588927
my anki deck is pretty big if you know what i mean

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>>19588891
Yes because you will spend less 時間 on　ファッキング 厚い　ばばぁちゃんｓ

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>>19588960
The IQ on this post is below the floor.

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>>19588029
By mining words that contain them.

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>just 85% on mature cards
>number of due cards growing every day
kill me already

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>>19589145
what deck are you doing senpai

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>>19589145
What is you doing

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about 50% rtk (frequency based order)
about 30% core 2k/6k
about 20% my own vocab and phrases i've accumulated over the past decade (over 90% on mature for this one)

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>>19589185
>about 30% core 2k/6k
>also doing rtk
Chuck out the core deck m8 and slow the fuck down on rtk. I bet you're doing 50+ kanji a day

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today was especially bad since I skipped rtk yesterday (gf came over unexpectedly after work, we ended up chatting until 4am)

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>>19589206
fucking normie reeeeee

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>>19589196
>I bet you're doing 50+ kanji a day
just 10 new kanji, but about usually about 50 to 60 reviews

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>>19589206
Is this bait

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i wish i had a gf that distracted me from rtk

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>>19589185
>my own vocab and phrases i've accumulated over the past decade
>the past decade
>still doing rtk
but why

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>>19589227
Bait (I really hope)

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Those who have matured the entire 10k deck, how long did it take?

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>>19589227
i started rtk about a decade ago but gave up about 500 in after my phd became too stressful
but since then i've had so much speaking practice i am fairly fluent with everyday conversation (discussing what you'll do on the weekend, what you want to eat, how you're feeling about things, etc)
recently it became clear that i could either stay on my then trajectory and be mediocre forever, or push hard to really become fluent and maybe see if i can find work in japan
so i researched it again and decided that rtk based on frequency would be a good approach and that i had the programming skills to make it happen

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I went through the entire RTK years ago and it didn't help me very much with vocab. I think it's more useful to just study radicals for a bit so you can distinguish kanji better by breaking them down, rather than grinding individual kanji.

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Subterfuge^

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>>19589274
>i could either stay on my then trajectory and be mediocre forever, or push hard to really become fluent and maybe see if i can find work in japan
Yes, but to become fluent you need to read. RTK won't help you with fluency.

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probably radical-only is okay if you don't ever want to be able to write it and if you accept you'll mix up similar kanji more often
but in my case i want to be able to work as an academic at a japanese university, so being able to write kanji will be quite important

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>>19589315
i try reading every so often, but i still hit a huge number of kanji i don't recognise
since i want to be able to write them anyway, i'm waiting until i learn at least the 1000 most common kanji before getting back into books in a meaningful way

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>>19589319
Yeah, if you want to learn to write then it's a good resource. But for people who just want to read I think it's a waste of time.

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You faggots complaining about RTK. Just fucking do it, all of it, no studying by frequency or a cut down version. Just fucking do it 20-25 a day and you'll be done in 3-4 months and move onto picking up reading from immersion.

You cunts complaining about how long it takes should just do wanikani if you want to waste time.

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>>19589360
I wasn't complaining about how long it took. I was complaining because it didn't help me much practically.

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>>19589185

t. nukemarine

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>>19589360
The only problem I have with doing 25 a day is that it robs me of value time I could spend shitposting about it on DJT. But luckily I finished reps a couple hours ago and am free for the rest of the day.

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>>19589383

How far into it are you?

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>>19589383
>not spending your full day of free time studying
You cannot learn Japanese

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>>19589400
1825
>>19589404
>learning Japanese

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learning languages was a lot easier before i moved out and got a full time job, now i have to spend what precious valuable study time i have on chores like cooking, cleaning, doing my taxes

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>>19589423
Why not study while at work?

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>>19589409

Good luck with the last few hundred frend.

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>>19589434
Not him but I spend my entire time at work working, and the time I'd have on break is negligible and I need it to rest.

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>>19589434
i try to do all my non-rtk reviews while on the bus or lunch breaks. rtk though i need to sit down and really focus and have pen and paper

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>>19589360
ok do rtk

but then what

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>>19589451
>bus
My condolences.

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>>19589464
3 hours of reading, 3 hours of listening

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imagine having six free hours a day

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>>19589475
2 hours of reading, 2 hours of listening

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imagine not being a slave

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i don't even get six hours of sleep
probably why my mature retention is tanking these days

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>>19589472
dont understand anything

then what

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>>19589488
you will understand anything by continually looking up words and referencing a grammar guide. keep it up for a year and you'll have a strong grasp of basics, two years and you'll be considered fluent by most people's standards but there will still be a lot to learn

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good talking with you gentlemen but i have to get up in 4 hours so i should sleep now

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now i understand dictionary definitions but run into situations constantly where my understanding of what i see in the dictionary doesnt fit

then what

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>tfw I actually made it to Japan and spent 3 months in a sharehouse in Ikebukuro on a working holiday visa but left because I missed my gf back home and now regret leaving.

if you get there don't fucking leave, I miss it every day.

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>>19589536
lmao fucking faggot I hope that's actually true

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whats your issue

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>>19589547

It is, sorry for blogpost.

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FUCK FUCK. I WAS DOING SO WELL, 20 CARDS A DAY CONSISTENTLY, NOW I HAVE TO STOP SINCE I ACCIDENTALLY INCREASED THE NEW CARD LIMIT BY A HUNDRED.

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>>19589583
make it 20 and it goes back down to 20?

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>>19589605
It was the increase today's new card limit. I fucked up and have to wait for the next day for it to reset.

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>>19589628
check if there's a backup since anki automatically backs up

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>>19589632
The backup already went through, i'll just have to wait until midnight and do my review again to do my new cards.

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>>19589628
ctrl+z to do undo last action

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>>19589526
Use a better dictionary

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Does anybody have a picture of Tae Kim? A video of him speaking Japanese?　What do we know about him?

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>>19589766
Hello,
Please delete this post.

Thank you.

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>>19589766

That his grammar guide is overrated and shit.

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>>19589766
https://vimeo.com/159231284

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>>19589766
>>19589789
https://youtu.be/EvtQWsJtp-M
Is he chinese?

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>>19589780
What's so bad about it? It teaches you the basics which is all you need.

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>>19589583
I don't understand what the problem is. Just stop at 20. If you have it set to do new cards before reviews, just change it to reviews first.

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>>19589780
either you don't know japanese or you haven't actually directly compared it to other guides

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>>19589866
grammar guides in general are harmful at best so he's not wrong

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>>19589874
you don't know japanese

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>>19589875
enjoy drilling misleading or outright false grammar rules into your brain that won't be fixed through mass input

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>>19589874
>are harmful at best
how many times do you have to be BTFO on your "you can't get grammar wrong if you only learn grammar through immersion" argument before you stop making it

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>>19589883
i'm far, far beyond the point of grammar study, your words are completely meaningless to me
you don't know japanese

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>>19589789
He's a pretty cool guy. Taught me the basics of grammar and helped me read my porn games.

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>>19589887
you can get it wrong, in fact it's healthy and quite normal to. That's how language acquisition works. You won't permanently drill unnatural grammar usage into your brain though.

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>https://pastebin.com/v65Vt37v
>Fixed version of the grammar dump pastebin. I reread all the example sentences and replaced and retranslated some of them.

>I can't believe I read "それに、まだパンツを履いていないので……あの、履いてきてもいいですか？" like five times and kept reading a なくて into the second half of it. Dyslexia sucks.

>A couple bits of wording were dumb.

>That's about it.

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>>19589898
grammar guides aren't for drilling
if you drill a grammar guide you're using it wrong
you don't know how the people here learn japanese

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>>19589910
And what would you call making sentence cards out of Tae Kim?

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>>19589918
a fucking retarded idea

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>>19589918
something neither we nor tae kim tell you to do

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>>19589925
glad we agree

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>>19589910
the people here

dont learn japanese ?

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>>19589918
You're just supposed to learn the basics and read shit my nigga. Who the fuck is making sentence cards?

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>>19589932
Matt drones.

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anti-grammar-guide-person please direct your negative emotions toward this pastebin and tell us what you think >>19589904

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>>19589898
it's a matter of noticing the mistake and making a conscious effort to fix it. and in fact you just admitted it happens when you don't drill. there's no escaping it.

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>>19589940
tldr

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>>19589967
but it's like half the length of tae kim, which is already very short

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>>19589941
If it's as simple as making a conscious effort to fix it then why do so many educated ESLs have poor grammar? Grammar points reinforce themselves the more you encounter them and blindly trusting a poorly written grammar guide when you don't understand why they're simplified, misleading or outright false is going to leave you with grammar errors harder to fix than grammar acquired naturally through a process of gradual comprehension with mass input.

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>>19589998
>then why do so many educated ESLs have poor grammar?
because they don't make a conscious effort to fix it. if it's as simple as not reading grammar guides then why do so many people have poor grammar in their L2s via immersion? it depends entirely on how much you care about getting it right. if you don't care about the nuances of which grammar point to use then you're not gonna learn it. it's as simple as that.

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>>19589998
because they start learning english from an education system and are drilled stupid bullshit by teachers that don't know english, then they refuse to unlearn it because it was drilled so hard that it became a point of pride
flashbacks to arguing with european ESLs here about basic english grammar like what words to use in questions

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It's pretty laughable that just mentioning Tae Kim got so many posts

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imagine if you mentioned Sakubi

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>>19590011
Of course they do. No ESL wants to publish a book, paper or article under their name riddled with grammatical errors. Their conscious effort and mass input just results in nothing because they have drilled incorrect grammar in their early studies and reinforced them too deeply to ever be fixable.

>why do so many people have poor grammar in their L2s via immersion?
Care to point to an example?

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>>19589969
https://pastebin.com/VBmbXXip

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>>19590062
you don't know japanese

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>>19590065
i do and actually you dont

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>>19590053
>because they have drilled incorrect grammar
you're confused. i'm not disputing that drilling incorrect grammar creates bad habits. i'm saying that your claim that poor grammar in one's L2 is due to drilling incorrect grammar is completely incorrect. people get grammar wrong for their L2s because they don't care about it.
>Care to point to an example?
the majority of learners in this thread. oh and technically every single person who has ever acquired a language as an adult.

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>>19590073
you actually don't

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Where can I read about using verb stems instead the て-form to create a complex sentence?
Tyler Keem didn't mention I could do that.

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>>19590082
i do and you dont times infinity

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>>19590032
>Sakubi
Never heard of it before. Is it a particular bad guide?

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>>19590087
if you already know it's a thing then you don't need to read about it
congratulations and good luck
>>19590091
nobody who knows japanese would assert this

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>>19590095
it's not bad but it's the subject of conspiracy theories

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>>19590096
>>19590091
i don't know any japanese

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>>19590096
t. someone who doesnt know japanese

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>>19590032
Oh fuck I bookmarked this site. Should I delete it?

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>>19590115
okay yeah you don't know japanese

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>>19590118
no? what gives you that idea

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>>19590119
>>19588199

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>>19590127
holy shit your pronunciation is terrible

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>>19590133
no its not but you know what is your face

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>>19590079
People get grammar wrong in their L2s because they haven't consumed enough input. Of those who have (i.e., educated ESLs), what separates those with bad grammar from those with good grammar is their usage of grammar guides early in their studies that contain misleading explanations of grammar that get reinforced over thousands of encounters and never fix themselves. ESLs who acquired English through watching American television and playing video games with no English education tend to speak with perfect grammar.

>the majority of learners in this thread. oh and technically every single person who has ever acquired a language as an adult.
Almost every one of those will use grammar guides so this is proof of nothing. Point me to ONE person who acquired a language solely through a mass immersion approach and still makes such retarded errors as misusing a/an, something you see all the time in otherwise intelligent, well-read and educated ESLs.

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>>19589789
>>19589810
Wait what, he's an American?
I thought he was an ESL. I mean look at the staggering amount of grammar mistakes in his guide.
Most of them are the kind of mistake only ESLs such as myself could make. Are you guys sure that's the same Tae Kim? Kims are all over the place in South Korea, it's the most common surname.

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gettin in that ass

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>>19590150
thats tyler kim thats the guy djt loves right

he wrote the book on japanese grammar

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>>19590150
The guy in the video is not the grammar guide tae kim you idiot

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>>19590145
>tend to speak with perfect grammar.
no they make mistakes too. because mass input doesn't matter if you don't pay attention to the grammar points.
>Almost every one of those
plenty of people here don't drill grammar guides. only use them as a reference to make input comprehensible
>something you see all the time in otherwise intelligent, well-read and educated ESLs.
it's not because they drilled grammar guides. it's because they don't care about the a/an distinction. they don't pay attention to it.

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>>19590096
>If you already know it's a thing then you don't need to read about it
But there are always nuances and implications. Besides, I don't see this grammar used very often, so when can I do it and should I do it?

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>>19590182
>But there are always nuances and implications.
You can't learn those from explanations.
>Besides, I don't see this grammar used very often, so when can I do it and should I do it?
If you have to ask this question then you shouldn't be "using" anything that is not "used very often".

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>>19590162
Figured as much. The grammar guide Tae Kim must be South Korean.

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>>19590168
>no they make mistakes too. because mass input doesn't matter if you don't pay attention to the grammar points.
No they don't. There are plenty of such people who post on 4chan who are entirely indistinguishable from native speakers. There are also very educated speakers who don't even use a/an correctly. It's obvious which of those studied grammar.

>plenty of people here don't drill grammar guides. only use them as a reference to make input comprehensible
If they've even once looked at Tae Kim's shitty guide they've already permanently fucked themselves over.

>it's not because they drilled grammar guides. it's because they don't care about the a/an distinction. they don't pay attention to it.
They pay attention to using English correctly, they just misuse a/an because even after tens of thousands of hours of input they still haven't fixed their simple misunderstanding of it. They reinforced the idea of "an always comes before a vowel" so hard, probably after reading it in a shitty internet grammar guide, that it will never go away.

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>>19590196
you must be a natural gumshoe

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>>19590209
>It's obvious which of those studied grammar.
it's not.
>If they've even once looked at
oh you're trolling
>they still haven't fixed their simple misunderstanding of it
because they don't pay attention to it. even if they only learned purely via immersion. they just don't care.

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>>19590223
>it's not.
Yes it is. If some NEET who didn't graduate high school but watches American television and plays video games all day speaks native-level English better than a professional or academic who still doesn't know 'a' comes before 'European' then there's obviously a lesson to be learned.

>oh you're trolling
I'm not.

>because they don't pay attention to it. even if they only learned purely via immersion. they just don't care.
No one wants their work to contain grammatical errors.

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>>19588555
They are なか and ちゅう respectively.

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>>19590245
>then there's obviously a lesson to be learned.
it means that learning via input is better than drilling grammar rules. what this doesn't mean is that ESL mistakes are mostly a result of drilling grammar rules.
>No one wants their work to contain grammatical errors.
sure but to them it's not worth the effort to notice it and change it.

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>>19590267
reading a grammar guide is not drilling grammar rules

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isnt the point of reading a grammar guide so you can just identify some [important] bits and pieces and how they turn a sentence into what it is lol

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>>19590269
i know but he would argue that even reading a grammar guide will permanently fuck your understanding which is silly. he doesn't realize that poor grammar is largely a function of how much someone cares about grammar regardless of how they learned the language.

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>>19590267
That's absolutely what it means, because both of them consumed mass input and yet only one learned English through drilling grammar rules. Reading shitty misleading grammar guides like Tae Kim is immensely harmful if it can have this much of an effect on your basic grammar even after tens of thousands of hours input.

>>19590279
No one "doesn't care" about having shitty grammar. Especially people who publish work in English under their own name.

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>>19590289
you don't know japanese

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>>19590291
you will never speak Japanese impeccably.

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>>19590296
you don't know japanese

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>>19590289
>That's absolutely what it means
no because you're creating imaginary scenarios in which input fixes all grammar when it definitely does not.
>No one "doesn't care" about having shitty grammar.
caring about something isn't binary. it's about how much effort you want to put in. people don't care enough about their grammar to make sure it's right.

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>>19590300
input does actually fix grammar issues it just takes like 10~20 straight years of pure immersion

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>>19590300
>imaginary scenarios in which input fixes all grammar when it definitely does not.
It does though, provided you aren't unintentionally reinforcing incorrect/misleading grammar you learned in your early studies.

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>>19590308
actually it fixes those too
in fact it fixes them first

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>>19590310
Then explain why ESLs still misuse a/an after tens of thousands of hours of input.

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>>19590303
for a lot of people it probably would but that still depends on how much someone cares.

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Reminder to not stress out about anki, reading is more important than anki.

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>>19590313
they don't, those are the people who mostly isolate themselves from input from natives and learned by conversing with other ESLs in school

[Anonymous No.]

>>19588555
>暗い中で
なか, because this is Japanese.
>睡眠中
ちゅう, because this is Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>205 posts (none of them actually about the Japanese language)
>27 IPs
Good job, you all managed to turn this thread into a retirement home where bitter dekinais and newfags with less than 5 brain cells argue about Japanese learning methods without actually studying it. I'd advise anyone that still has the slighest desire to become fluent in the Japanese language to leave this thread, unless you want to be a Nukemarine or AJATT shitter for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous No.]

the grammar problems that fluent ESLs actually have are in semantics, not grammatical correctness.
you know nothing about language acquisition. you're just racist.

[Anonymous No.]

What parts of tae kim are so wrong they'll fuck up your understanding forever?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590330
none of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590328
People don't come to some general to learn a language nor should they. What do you want this thread to be? Answering stupid questions that you can find the answers to by just reading more? Woe is you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590338
is this what it looks like when someone's mad after they lost an argument and got called racist

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590328
I just see it like fit where all you need is the guide. This is obviously just a place for them to shitpost and dekinai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590330
>>19588757
But really nothing will permanently fuck you, you'll just learn bad grammar and then consuming real japanese will correct it to real grammar .

[Anonymous No.]

母さんなり、お手伝いの人が着ていた姿を見ていても、よさそうなものだけど。

>>19577373
>"It would have been good if mother, in her own way, had at least looked at the get-up of the helper."
>>19577916
>"something you might see my mom or an assistant wearing"
>>19579668
>"I wonder how could anyone, such as my mother, have not seen the housemaid wearing it"
>>19579846
>You might at least watch the figure that a person doing housework, like your mom, wore that clothes

Can anybody understand this sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590349
The second post you quoted is correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>そうそう自分で拡げてカメラに見せて

What does the そうそう here mean?
It's literally the first line of a hentai where the guy with the camera asks her to spread her pussy.

I bet it barely adds any meaning, but I still wanna know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590330
Any part that misleads you about a grammar point for the sake of simplifying it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590356
そう、そう、

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590349
Not without context

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590368
Can you stop being a smartass and explain something properly for once? Or is your Japanese knowledge too low for that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590368
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590404
>>19590409
It means sou sou in english

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590434
you don't know english

[Anonymous No.]

>>19587706
Fruit, person? My RTK studies are already paying off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590448
>Fruit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590439
I'm sorry, all I know is Nihongonesian...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590463
You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590473
How did you know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590479
I didn't know, it was just that obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590448
The fruit that the person would like is called suika

[Anonymous No.]

萃香が大好き

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590349
If you assume お手伝いの人が着ていた姿を見ていても forms a group by he two "、", the third one is correct.
If you assume なり dropped after お手伝いの人 (because this happens pretty often), the second one is kinda correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590499
Can you write that with kanjis, please?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590358
Give example

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590535
西瓜

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590528
萃香が食べたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590529
Can you explain in detail to a dekinai like me how the third sentence is correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590549
Western nail? That doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590568
The kanji on the right means melon. Do RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590549
is it not 水瓜?

[Anonymous No.]

ーどろれか落らをのろとち、ててこどてち、俺と滴ろいがど冷ろの落つ

Can anybody understand this sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590582
it's both

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590568
瓜is not 爪.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590583
Is this from that manga that not even Japanese people could read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590583

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590594
same shit

[Anonymous No.]

Matt is so based that he even retweets hate comments. What an awesome guy.

[Anonymous No.]

if matt makes it to 5k ill be taking him down

[Anonymous No.]

btw whoever wrote that tweet seems to know whats up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590607
>is this from that television show that not even Japanese people could fuck
You don't read manga

[Anonymous No.]

Wow OP great post really funny see you at FUCKCK YOU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590857
>You don't read manga
Yeah I don't because furigana fundamentally sucks pig dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590870
Not all manga use it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590883
You're thinking of doujins. And yes that is reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590891
most commercial mainstream manga do not, in fact, have furigana

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590896
You have literally never read manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590907
i have read far, far more manga than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590907
I did, in fact, enjoy reading Naruto a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590896
>most commercial mainstream manga
>also known as shounen and shoujo manga
>for kids
So furigana

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590924
most commercial mainstream manga are not for children

[Anonymous No.]

are there more sample sentences along with audios from the site where the core 10k deck was built?

[Anonymous No.]

I only read shounen for adults.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.bandaivisual.co.jp/eureka/tvseries/dictionary.html
Today I found out there is a dictionary for Eureka Seven terms. I have never seen anything like this. Do you know of anything similar for other series?

[Anonymous No.]

if you havent read all of air gear dont come in this thread tellin nobody nothin about SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

Air gear was below average at best

[Anonymous No.]

>>19588474
Fellow Tuga here.
Pronunciation is piss easy because Portuguese is a very phonetically rich language while Japanese is very phonetically poor.
If you were learning other romance languages then all you'd have to do is cram vocab (t. learned french in a year) but Jap grammar is too different.
There are some loan words in Jap that come from Portuguese like (off the top of my head) copo, vidro , pão, carta, tabaco etc.. but a lot of loan words are no longer used. English loan words are far more common.
Basically you'll have an edge over the anglos in pronunciation but it's gonna take you as long as anyone else because you're going to have to learn all the grammar and vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590988
reread my post and then go oh haha i get it now

[Anonymous No.]

タエ・キムさんの英語はおかしいね
>模擬試験に何回も失敗して、実際に受けてみたら思わぬ結果が出た
>After having failed mock examination any number of times, a result I wouldn't have thought came out when I actually tried taking the test.

[Anonymous No.]

ｄｊｔがこのむねに

あいをとどけてくれるよ


ＯＰの画像がきらい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591061
いいだと思います

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591065
whats your issue

[Anonymous No.]

>>19589440
Thanks I've dreamed of becoming a fellow learner in these threads for months and it's gonna happen soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591088
ではお前もおかしいだもんね

[Anonymous No.]

おかしいのはあなたの日本語

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591260
t. gaijin

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591231
>おかしいだ
形容詞だよ、バカ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591305
nah uh

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw the VN you're reading directly contradicts itself
Not sure if writing error on the VN's part or dekinai on my part.

[Anonymous No.]

its not uncommon to find an actual consistency error but its prolly more likely your fuckup

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591307
ごめんなさい。
「ではお前もおかしいんだもんね」の方がどうかな？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591392
Basically the MC said his dad had never remarried since his mom died in his inner monologue. But only a bit later, his brother and him are asking the dad "are you remarrying again? This would be the third time dad."

MC early on: 母さんがずいぶん前に他界して以来、父さんは再婚もしていないし、子供は僕と兄さんの男兄弟だし
Same MC only a bit later: 父さんは再婚もせずにひとりで店を切り盛りしていたわけだし

An hour or two later in game:
MC's brother: 再婚でもするのかまた！？
MC: だとしたら三度目だよ、父さん…

Am I retarded? Can you interpret the top phrases as anything other than the dad having never been remarried before?

[Anonymous No.]

踊子はやはり唇をきっと閉ぢたまま一方をみつめてゐた。私が縄梯子に捉まらうとして振り返った時、さよならを言はうとしたが、それも止して、もう一ぺんただうなづいて見せた。

9 out of 10 retarded Japanese learners will mistake who nodded in the second sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591458
I've never seen a sentence with "ゐ" in it? What is this excerpt from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591423
I don't see how this bars MC from being the product of dad's second marriage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591402
正しそうだけど、自分も日本語があまり上手じゃないから僕の話の何かが間違うかも知れない。

デキナイは大変だなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591505
I guess it's not impossible for that to be revealed later, but it's never been implied. I guess MCs mom could have been the most recent of 3 marriages though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591507
あのんならできるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591507
>デキナイは大変だなぁ
きっと辿り着けるね！

[Anonymous No.]

わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591549
和多死　模　芸　出素

[Anonymous No.]

食べたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591572
*曼画一冊を渡す* じゃあどうぞ

[Anonymous No.]

アニメが食べられる?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591572
what does tai do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591603
it hurts

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591458
If it's 踊子 the author is bad.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to export an anki deck as a txt document? Preferably without an anki addon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591620
Yasunari Kawabata is bad. OK. I will inform Japan of your judgment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591677
yea it's called the export menu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591701
Where is it? Sorry if I'm a reetart

[Anonymous No.]

hheres the only good kawabata to come outta japan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUZL6wbxKok

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591679
Honestly I take that back, I understand it now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591458
は particle is hard guys

[Anonymous No.]

am i doing well

[Anonymous No.]

dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591943
>ww

bery japanissu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591998
should i've used "lol"?

[Anonymous No.]

I know that knowledge/info wasn't as readily available in 1997 but how do you reckon they missed this と?

[Anonymous No.]

i mean just reading the english you can tell how bad it is

it even uses apostrophe wrong on its

however you dont sound like youre in any position to really say much of nothin lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592033
Probably either didn't see it or just thought it was 「ぞ」「よ」. The game has a lot of text and the translation team had very little time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591989

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592033
btw native english speaker can tell that the conditional is still there in english even with the fucked exclamation point

but its still not a good translation because its 2 separate world bubbles and those impressionable youth probably cant envision those very words being said in the heat of battle between heavy breaths (which would result in two separate utterances) but now you should be able to see the conditional easily if english is your native language

also barry is a home boy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19588216
>I can't learn it
>but I figured out these things wrong with it and outsmarted the entire Japanese people that are too stupid to language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592114
He reminds me of DJT, probably because most people who still post here nowadays are redditors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592107
>btw native english speaker can tell that the conditional is still there in english even with the fucked exclamation point
nah

[Anonymous No.]

Today I didn't do my daily anki deck.
I'm really hopeless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592138
yah because otherwise second bubble makes no sense

[Anonymous No.]

btw im not saying its easy or acceptable any percent of the time but if the lines were voiced together it would be fine

for example

show your ass its gonna get fucked

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19588216

Kanji probably would be less required if so many words didn't have the same pronunciation. Probably the reason loan words in Katakana are slowly replacing everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592138
I played this game as a kid and I definitely understood what it was saying. It's just bad form to split an if-then across multiple textboxes. VERY bad form.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592295
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CIbBugfqeQ#t=74

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592033
I still don't know what the significance of this is after reading all the responses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592402
Probably because you don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592413
That's exactly why.

[Anonymous No.]

>reading from the beginning instead of doing core2k? good luck maintaining your motivation having to look up every word
Why do people think having to spend hours per day doing flashcards is more fun than hovering over words with your cursor, pressing a hotkey, getting the definition, and learning vocab in the context of a story, while at least having pretty pictures to look at?

[Anonymous No.]

>熱膨張

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592632
https://youtu.be/np_rl0s7INc?t=21
So this is how nip handwriting looks? Kanji is even uglier and more stupid than I originally thought.

[Anonymous No.]

you wont think that if you ever stop suckin

[Anonymous No.]

well kanji might be ugly thats up to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592652
Your mom's uglier, though. And stupider.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592674
You could be right but I don't think I'll ever mistake my appreciation for some aspects of it with it being a good thing overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592583
who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593094
randos across the web

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592033
>>19592402
The Japanese says if you attack while the tail is up, it will counterattack with a laser.
The English says to attack while the tail is up, because it is going to counterattack with its laser.

Anyone who says that the English is correct and that a native speaker could understand what it actually means is a liar. You might understand after you attack while the tail is up and the laser rapes you, but not before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593156
Yea I don't think most natives got it. I didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

Attack while its tail is up, [because otherwise] it's gonna counterattack with its laser.

Is what the game is saying to native English speakers.

[Anonymous No.]

Let's talk about how to define "i+1". We know that Krashen prescribes that a person spend their time with material which is just above their level of competency, but he doesn't bother to provide a description. What exactly does "just above competency" look like?

I consider that if I encounter something new every 5-10 minutes, I'm probably at the correct difficulty level. Though I haven't consulted with experts to confirm my hypothesis. Maybe Professor Anonymous has some thoughts he'd like to share with the class.

[Anonymous No.]

Just started reading monogatari light novels in Japanese. My advice was that the best way to get really good at Japanese was to just start reading books. Problem is, god damn its taking a while.

It takes a good 20 minutes or so per page of looking up unfamiliar kanji and logging them into a separate anki deck. I believe I know enough to pass N4, so most of the "easier" stuff I can breeze through, but then I run into strings of kanji I don't recognize. Just getting all the unfamiliar stuff from chapter 1 took a couple hours, then I had exercises of going through my deck, and I still haven't actually read the chapter, so its hard to know what I've actually learned.

Has anyone tried this approach before? About how long would I make it before I start going apeshit? I really like the style of writing, so I think as long as I stay motivated, I can make it work. That said, I guess another thing to worry about is the entertainment of each individual story. Bake is fun, Nise looks kinda fun, Neko looks like its going to be hell, because I couldn't even stand to watch it subtitled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593244
call anything that isn't specifically krashen's hypothesis n+1 instead if i+1 please

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593244
>I consider that if I encounter something new every 5-10 minutes
If you're only encountering something new every 5-10 minutes, you're reading easy material. Unless you're already at a high level of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593250
>and I still haven't actually read the chapter
What the fuck are you doing anon? Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592033
They probably translated that shit line by line with no context

[Anonymous No.]

>>19592147
i might have guessed "counterattack" was a mistranslation and i was being told to attack while its tail is raised to stop the upcoming laser attack
when the english is clearly bad, it's not always easy to identify the mistake correctly
the fact that it's easy to identify after knowing what was intended is useless

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593255
Thank you Anon, this is the kind of feedback I need. Tell me what your sweet spot. Every couple of minutes? Every few lines?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593276
The first line with 0 context, not even the second line, is "If you attack while the tail is up"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593287
As much as you can stand without dropping whatever you are reading, and where each sentence should be understandable without having to look up several words. As long as you're having to look new things up you're learning, so really just do whatever the fuck is most enjoyable for you, but the more lookups you can do and still get comprehensible, enjoyable input, the more net benefit you're getting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593250
>I still haven't actually read the chapter, so its hard to know what I've actually learned.
it's actually pretty easy
you've learned nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593289
Yeah but that doesn't make a complete sentence. They probably didn't know there's another line after it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593307
well if they actually knew japanese
oh i see the problem

[Anonymous No.]

How does one pronounce 喘いで? Does the え and い make it like えー?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593308
you know someones a noob when they think it has to do with "knowing" "japanese"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593302
どうも
実践しよう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593315
Like this
https://youtu.be/u5-R8oLenQ4?t=1m32s

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593323
i've seen plenty of idiots go "huh weird particle well i don't know what it does so i'll ignore it"
i agree that you don't have to "know" "japanese" you just have to have skimmed tae kim once

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593349
And learn a misleading rule that will permanently fuck my grammar? No thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593354
you don't know japanese
or anything about learning japanese for that matter
stop posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593354
>permanently fuck my grammar
dang why didn't anyone warn me
i can't believe the one time i skimmed tae kim is overriding the millions of sentences i've read

[Anonymous No.]

Whatever dude enjoy having mangled output.

[Anonymous No.]

wait does /djt/ care about production now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593368
there's always at least one idiot in this thread at any given time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593366
you don't know japanese
stop posting about the expert level

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593366
Learning to output is the process of saying something stupid and being corrected a thousand times. You will never speak the language if you're unwilling to be incorrect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593287
>>19593302
to add onto this
if you're challenging yourself as a beginner/intermediate there will be sentences that you could sink ten minutes into and not figure out
this doesn't matter as long as you don't actually sink ten minutes into them and there are plenty of sentences that are more approachable
if there aren't many sentences that you can figure out relatively quickly, you're probably in over your head
but if you're enjoying it and not getting burnt out, that might be more important than efficiency

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593395
Matto-sama says that I should wait until I can hear many of the errors I make through intuitively knowing that what I said was unnatural. To this, you say what?

[Anonymous No.]

¿¿

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593444
use a better dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593444
look up こき使う

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593471
Ah, so the こき in 手コキ comes from 扱き. Got it. Makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

25 more days till I begin reading... is anyone else with me in this dark road?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593437
I think that if you want to get better at reading, you should read.
If you want to get better at listening, you should listen.
And if you want to get better at speaking, you should speak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593511
I'm also aiming to finish the end of this month
お互いに頑張ろう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593471
so if it means work hard, any special reason for the katakana or is just a squid's thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593512
crazy talk
why be logical when you can believe krashen instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593512
i agree except that if your listening is too shit to follow the conversation, you're being inefficient at learning both listening and speaking
you can still do it though
>>19593531
i haven't listened to or read a lot of krashen but i don't think what he says actually disagrees with that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593549
krashen believes improvement only comes from input, never from output
which is patently nonsense

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593569
my understanding is that he believes improvement in comprehension only comes from input and that he endorses output for improving ability to output but does not think that it should be focused on from the beginning
as i said though, i may be wrong, i've only watched one of his talks a couple years ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593511
As long as you don't do 70 a day just because you're impatient, you can do it!

i used to have only 20 youngs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19591373
Example?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593511
>waiting this long to read

I seriously hope not everyone believes this is the correct path.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593250
You are doing the exact thing I did 6 years ago, and the only difference is I use dictionary instead of anki decks and I only stop reading after I reached a new chapter, before I continue reading again and I started with Koimonogatari. And yeah, Monster Season is such a good read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19590607
>>19590909
>>19590915
Manga isn't reading in the first place.

>>19590907
Of course he hasn't, no one has. Manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593707
you don't know japanese and also you don't even post here

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Apparently aedict has changed it's business model to a monthly subscription model. Anyone know anything about that? I don't wanna update to find out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593569
How can improvement come from output? It is impossible. If you sat in a room by yourself and practiced speaking 16 hours a day for a year, you wouldn't learn anything new or improve at all.

You may learn by speaking with other people, but you are learning from the input you are getting from them, not actually from your output.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593872
Output helps your brain recall words faster and be more prepared to parse them when you read or hear them be spoken
It won't teach you new things but it helps you retain what you already know much better than input does

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593872
t. krashen
who speaks to themselves? real speaking is of course with other people, you can see their reactions and guage whether you get the response you expected, and it's often only when you go to say something that you realise you don't actually know how to express it. so maybe things you can "understand perfectly well" when input you don't actually understand that well at all
if I had a dollar for every japanese person I've met who could read advanced text books in English but couldn't produce a grammatically correct sentence if their life depended on it

[Anonymous No.]

think to yourself, don't speak to yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593947
Thinking isn't output.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593986
yes, that's part of why thinking to yourself is fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593250
this is why im not using anki, reading more is the srs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593920
>Output helps your brain recall words faster and be more prepared to parse them when you read or hear them be spoken
citation needed

[Anonymous No.]

VNというゲームを獲得方法はありませんか。誰か教えてください。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593315
listen to it

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFX0AaNhlEw


best japanese teacher on youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594237
>喘いで
oh now I got a boner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A0DHo9zzVQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19593315
Here's a guy trying to make a girl do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFPsuiuuku4

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have nice looking anki HTML template ? I'm too stupid to do CSS and i'm sick of anki's default look

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594419
* { display: none }

[Anonymous No.]

>current year
>not doing RTK
Surely you don't live under the delusion that you could survive without kanji, now do you anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594456
You can survive without knowing how to write them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594463
I'm not even convinced RTK is the best way to learn kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I use DoJG like a dictionary, or is it better to just read it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594483
>Should I use a dictionary like a dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594486
But it's grammar.
It's hard to compare it to a book with 350000+ articles, 70% of which you may not encounter in your entire life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594500
It's still called a dictionary for a reason, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594503
B

But it's grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594506
Why even ask the question to begin with if you're just going to complain when you get an answer you don't want to hear?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594468
Lol if not RTK then what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594513
have you tried just reading and writing

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>>19594506
Even the slimmest dictionary full of most commonly used words is not meant to be read like a book.

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>>19594510
Because that's what everyone does here.

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>>19594513
Step 1) Learn to understand Japanese
Step 2) Start learning to write Japanese, actually in Japanese, writing real Japanese words, and not just writing squiggles based on arbitrary English words

[Anonymous No.]

Why's Jisho so fucking retarded sometimes?

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>>19594531
all parsers are retarded

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>>19594483
Do a DoJG deck if you want to study the whole of it. It may or may not be useful, I dunno

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>>19587757
Duolingo. Idk what's the point in studying abroad if you can't understand the teaching, though.

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>>19590087
Fuck me, he did mention that.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/formal

I should've read the """""advanced""""" topics after all.

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>>19594468
Personally I just learned radicals then used an RTK deck reversed (kanji on the front of the card) so that I could distinguish and recognize kanji better since that gave me a lot of trouble when I tried vocabulary. The mnemonics and all that I didn't really bother with or just made one up ad hoc if it seemed convenient to me.

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>>19594531
Because the parser doesn't check its results against the dictionary entries. Maybe it's too inefficient.

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>>19594550
There's nothing actually advanced in Tae Kim.

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>>19594556
>reversed (kanji on the front of the card)
Surely that's the normal order...

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>>19594569
Yeah, when I saw some of the grammar in a casual conversation in よつばと, that became clear to me.

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>>19594571
RTK specifically tells you to study from the meaning and then write the kanji from memory.

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>>19594571
That's not how RTK is supposed to be done. It's also even more useless than other forms of dedicated kanji study if you're doing it that way.

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>>19594583
How? I have absolutely no need to write any of that shit, I just need to be able to recognize and distinguish them. Doing that by trying to learn compound vocabulary words is rather difficult, at least for me.

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>>19594582
>RTK specifically tells you to study from the meaning and then write the kanji from memory.
Now that's retarded. Writing words instead of kanji is way more reasonable, since you won't need to bother with useless kanji designations. And even if you know how to write kanji and know words, you will still use wrong kanji from time to time when writing words, so being able to write kanji does not equal being able to write Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys think of 日本語の森 and particularly this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flfi38e0NKk&list=PLINFE8v4DOhuc4Up1z-hGiqj51aGxVQIb

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>>19594583
Why's it useless? I can still write everything just fine.

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>>19594598
I love them, especially their lessons on the accents.

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>>19594583
I think it's perfectly fine to have the character on the front if you're going for a recognition focused approach.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594598
可愛い、あたしと超ゲイセックスしたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594669
セクハラ

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>>19594685
瞳がみたいになるならセクハラじゃないんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know some kanji here. Can someone write this text down so I can throw it into jisho?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594706
>瞳が (心） みたい
心臓ってシンボルが消えちゃった

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>>19594710
あと最高に疲れたから
もう二度と生まない

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>>19594710
Anon, because able to lookup unfamiliar kanji is an important skill and not one that you can hope to be spoonfed forever.

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>>19594716
どうも

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>>19594717
That's basic kanji, so anon is clearly a beginner, cut him some slack.
The handwriting is crap, too, just like it always is.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does reading Japanese make me feel so tired? Is this normal when you're still not very good at reading?

I'm not bored, just very tired

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>>19594754
Yes. You spend effort in reading, and that effort will cost energy. I remember absolutely hating any long paragraph in English that I have to read in some novel. It hurts my head.

The more you read, the more you can handle.

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>>19594723
Yeah, japanese handwriting is its own difficult field to tackle. I think I mostly seen it in author comments on the back of manga, which is the least interesting part of it, so I never really read it carefully.

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>>19594574
Like a handful of the things in a single one of the advanced lessons are unusual inclusions, due to much more common things not being anywhere in tae kim at all, but that's about it.

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>didn't understand this page two weeks ago for some reason
>now everything makes sense, I don't even know what was so hard
How does this work, guys?

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>>19594843
brain work good

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>>19594314
are her videos actually good for learning or are you just memeing

[Anonymous No.]

Is this the correct way to say "going to school from home”？
家から学校に行く
Maybe this is good 家が通学にしてる ?

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>>19594908
you don't need to specify you're going from home, just say 登校します

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>>19594908
there's also 下校

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>>19594877
Why don't you watch for yourself and see?

[Anonymous No.]

Can 今度 actually mean "next time"?
I've seen the word in manga a few times, and interpreting it as "this time" always made perfect sense.

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>>19588216
God I hate people like these. It's weird that this guy apparently studied for two years without ever actually learning Japanese. I've seen it before, comments like these on forum threads you end up in if you're googling for English-language help with certain questions. I get the impression that a lot of people apparently think they can just skip learning Kanji if they want to learn Japanese, which is just dumb. But this guy's even worse, he hasn't even learned the kana yet. Does he just not read at all? Is he just doing Memrise exercises for months and months, assuming there'll come a moment where he can decide that he knows enough to start learning the language in earnest?

I started learning kanji after I got the kana down, so a week or so into learning. Today, I usually find it harder to read sentences that are fully in hiragana because of the huge amount of homonyms, whereas if there's kanji you can at least guess the meaning of a word you don't know from the radicals and the context.

He's right that Japanese is kind of a mess of a language, but 'ignore kanji lol' is not the answer. It's posts like these that make me appreciate the guide in the OP here though. I'm not fluent or anything yet even after over half a year but at least I don't struggle with books for retards like this guy.

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>>19595006
I wonder.

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>>19594959
>下校
Wrong way around.

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>>19588216
>genkifagging duolingobabby wondering why he failed
Every time.

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>>19595034
No examples.

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>>19594908
>家から学校に行く

これでいいよ

>これから学校に行く

これとか

>今日は学校行く

いいまわしは近いのがけっこうあるよ

なんでもきいてね

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>>19595006
When it's used as "next time" it typically means something more akin to "this very next attempt that I'm just about to start performing" than "next time, in a few days'.

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>>19592385
The spoken language is pretty much 100% proof that Kanji are not necessary.

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>>19595170
>The spoken language
You do understand the fundamental difference between a real-life situation with all its audio-visual and contextual cues and a sheet of paper with some ink on it, right?

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>>19595170
You can (not) learn Japanese.

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>>19595188
>visual and contextual cues
And something that's written doesn't have that? How often do you stumble upon a completely out of context piece of paper?

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>>19593437
He also says that speech is still a skill that needs to be practiced and that you should start practicing roughly 1 year after getting input.

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>>19593511
We're gonna make it. Look at it this way: if RTK is so dry and boring that people can't believe we'd do it in isolation, then reading will be a piece of cake for us.

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>>19595270
You clearly underestimate the amount of information one look around can give you.
It probably would work if the japs abandoned kanji. For the native speakers. We JSLs, on the other hand, would be completely fucked.

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>>19594516
>have you tried just reading and writing
Yep. And I'll take my time to explain this albeit a waste of time in this thread. First off I came to the realization that Anki for remembering vocab is totally useless about 4 months ago, so we're probably in agreement there. Not even that, the act of trying to "remember" words is dumb IMO, but I still stand for the fact that if I could go back to March 2017 when I started, I'd still do RTK 1 before learning Japanese.

And it's not to "guess" meanings of words or anything like that (the keywords are just placeholders), I don't know if anyone does this, I don't do it, never did even after RTK unless it's super obvious and even then I still check to be sure, it's simply for recognition. When I started learning, I quicky learned kana and read through Tae Kim in a week for basics of how langauge works and jumped straight into a visual novel. And I can tell you all kanji for a beginner look the same. Like even seeing the difference between 大-犬-太 is super hard and actual similar looking ones like 網-綱 or 線-綿 etc is virtually impossible. So you have to draw them cause you don't know what they mean every time. Which is also funny, cause if I see new kanji nowadays and can't guess the reading, I quicky memorize what components it has and draw it in google translate in 5 seconds, but when you are new you are gonna alt-tab back and forth between game window and google translate for every stroke and it takes like 2 minutes to even draw kanji and by that time the whole "context" of what the kek are you ever reading is out the window. And if you only had to draw all of them once it would be nice but the reality is that the next day you'll forget them once you've already looked them up anyways. So here's a true story and one example.

I did just try to power through and persist with reading for a bit over a month. During that month I saw word 確認, which is super common word so no wonder, like 8 times and each time i just saw it in a new context, my brain would go
>fuck, I should know this, I already looked it up...can't remember....draw it again -> get mad that couldn't remember -> draw it like 10 times by hand -> 2 days later, can't remember it again, repeat cycle!
And to the point where I was about to quit learning the language. So if you are not interested in stuff with furigana, and I'm not, I'd rather shoot myself than read manga or NHK easy, recognition is a crazy issue for a beginner. It's hard to sympathize when you are already literate, cause it seems like you can tell everything just from context, like how do you tell the difference between 湛える and 堪える? literate person will say, it doesn't matter, you'll read the 傷の痛さを湛える even with wrong kanji cause you won't even look at it, you'll just read through but that's not true for anyone who's not literate yet so you need to put yourself in their position.

So yeah, my point, people who recommend "knowing 2000 kanji" ahead, it's not for trying to guess words, I can assure you people still look up every new word they see unless it's pronounced and super obvious to guess what it is.

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>>19595349
Your mistake is thinking the only way to short circuit your progress to get to a point where it's easier to differentiate kanji is by doing something like RTK. I had the same problem and just learned how radicals/component graphemes work. It accomplishes the same thing with way less wasted effort.

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why is it so hard to read japanese children's books that are full kana?

I can comfortably read some easier VNs or chidren's books that use kanji, but then I try one of the babby tier hiragana books and it gives me a headache

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>>19595396
Listen to more anime.

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>>19595385
I tried recognition based on radicals. Didn't work. What did work was blitzing through RTK in a month. Never had issues since.

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>>19595385
>and just learned how radicals/component graphemes work
what did you use to learn that?

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>>19595396
Because you're not Japanese.

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>>19595396
same reason you can't listen to things and understand them yet.

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>>19595410
Listening to children's books is a lot easier, there's intonation and the voice knows how to delimit words.

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>>19595404
I used some random anki deck of radicals, and read up a bit on how kanji is composed. So basically do an anki deck of radicals and read the intro to a book like RTK or KKLC or something but dont bother actually doing the rest of the book. I'm not even sure doing a deck of radicals is strictly speaking necessary, what probably helped me the most was looking up unfamiliar kanji by having to either draw them, or enter them with something like Jisho's multi-radical search. I don't remember any of the keywords or whatever that were assigned to the radicals in the deck I used. Studying radicals in a deck or whatever just helps make it easier to pick them out.

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>>19595349
>Anki for remembering vocab is totally useless
stopped reading there

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>>19595489
It took me over a year to realize it but the hour or two I'd sometimes spend in anki would have been better spent just reading.

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>>19595494
It took me over 3 years to realize, but the hour or two spent reading would have been better spent listening to literally anything.

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>>19595494
>spending an hour on anki
I found your problem.

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>>19595504
I listened a lot as well but reading is better for vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

I hate Japanese

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>>19595504
Reading and listening are both important. Listening only is going to leave you illiterate, but DJT does overemphasize how important reading is over listening.

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>>19595385
I think it really depends on your personal style. I'm not the guy you were responding to but I also tried first learning radicals but I only started retaining kanji better once I started RTK.

No way would I recommend first learning kanji and then starting to read though. RTK is basically a very long list of shortcuts but they'll only really work if you get exposed to the characters every now and then, too. Same as Anki, and the same reason that you shouldn't just first learn X amount of words before starting to read. Both Anki and RTK just create extra anchor points for things to attach themselves to the inside of your brain.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any good VNs or text-heavy games I can play on my Android phone without too much hassle?

[Anonymous No.]

These two are so fun to listen to, everyone else on the news is so fucking boring but these two make even the least interesting weather sound so good. As Japanese woman voices go, the gal on the right has hands-down the sexiest voice I've heard.

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>>19595563
do you think he has fugged her

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>>19595523
Back in the early days of djt it was tedious to manually search definitions. So it made sense to reduce the time to do it with r9k. But now with texthookers and rikaisama rtk is pointless.

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>>19595612
I dunno man. If there's furigana or if I can just look up a kanji with one click I'll stop paying attention to the kanji and just remember the pronunciation. This is also why manga isn't reading, it doesn't really stimulate you to actually remember the kanji.

It's not like you won't learn anything with rikaisama and furigana but I get the impression that they facilitate reading at the cost of slowing your progress.

[Anonymous No.]

shut up retard ↑

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>>19595612
>But now with texthookers and rikaisama rtk is pointless.
Both of these existed in "the early days of djt".

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>>19595655
Have you read jamal's guide? He suggests using core in anki but only memorize the reading and kanji. Ignore the meaning because you will learn that with reading. It makes sense to me.

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody takes Jamal seriously.

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>>19595709
Yea I knew about dictionaries but we didn't have a guide explaining it. Also I dont think we had yomichan and rikaisama. I could be wrong though even if I've been here since djt began on a. I know jp were learning before djt was even created which is where the meme of read eroge everyday came from.

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>>19595655
>This is also why manga isn't reading
Not all manga has furigana over every single kanji. Not even all shounen/shoujo has furigana over every single kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

its not my guide i just pasted some shit some other dude said

im basically matt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595563
post a link

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>>19595744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHjyFiRlW4U#t=216

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>>19595734
You are a saint. I think I can learn with your copied method. At first I thought you were a meme cuz memes about the name Jamal and the threads seem to indicate that you were a shitposter. But after reading the threads I realized I was wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

its not about what you realized about me its about what you realized about yourself

[Anonymous No.]

Why not use Rosetta Stone?
Can any anons comment on the comparative effectiveness?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595750
not good enough
try again

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>>19595757
I had the same revelation about Matt. Welcome brother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595655
Manga isn't reading but that isn't why. By your reasoning if you were watching a manga that had no furigana it would be reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595788
post the poopy pants clip

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595797
Manga has too many visual cues to be affective. If they weren't /a/ wouldn't have raw spoiler threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu2etwHzcvw

Might have to wait a while, but the news repeats itself in like 20 minute cycles or so. Not terrible listening practice.

[Anonymous No.]

getting a boner over the news ladies is pretty fuckin wack

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>>19595824
cool whyd you reply to me though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595824
You're an idiot if you think that associating your reading with images is bad for learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595824
>affective

[Anonymous No.]

visual cues help often and a lot with learning shit in a language

can you manga isnt reading retards have a meeting and step up yalls game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2-QSKXGQ2Y

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595879
What if he only feels drawn to literature and doesn't like pictures?

[Anonymous No.]

then you lose out on shit that makes your nihongo life easier unless youre getting it somewhere else

period

[Anonymous No.]

did 2ch block foreign IPs from even viewing their pink boards in the last year or two? i could've sworn i used to be able to view them.

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>>19595879
I'm actually a writer. The main thing you learn is that you take care of grammar and spelling mistakes in the rewrites. You get your message across with errors any way. If you didn't understand what I mean you don't even know English.

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>>19595909
maybe because its 5ch now

>>19595920
no one asked for your life story just because you made a typo stfu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595929
no i mean if you click on any pink boards from the menu in 2ch/5ch, you're just redirected to the front page.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19594188
沢山の方法あるんですけど、具体的何の方法が欲しいですか？

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>>19595887
No it helps you remember situations where you learned a word. It's like with anki how you know a word from the picture and audio cue but wont know what it means when you read it in a different context. So you are right but we are actually trying to learn Japanese. You are just coping.

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>>19595929
saying what a hobby is, is a life story? On a Mongolian lolicon website. In a thread about learning a language for Chinese animated porn. Get off your highhorse brainlet.

[Anonymous No.]

good luck "trying" to "learn" "japanese"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595939
Not him but I can view it just fine. I think it'sjust you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595962
imagine being this butt blasted because someone pointed out your little typo

i dont even proofread my posts i just let it rip i dont need to justify myself

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>>19595972
Buttblasted but you are responding. Reallly makes me think, oh wait it doesn't. And who cares if I'm butthurt how does that change what I'm saying? Enlighten me.

You are right in that I shouldn't care about mistakes on an anonymous board.

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>>19595962
>affective
lol brainlet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595965
39

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>>19595997
Did you read the rest of the thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595992
im not responding im on the offensive theres a difference

its not your anus conquering my dick its my dick rubbing your rectum raw

also what you said is gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596004
yea, you think someone who isn't a brainlet will fix it later but only a brainlet would make such a glaring mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596007
So what if its gay. it's the truth. I am a brainlet I dont know Japanese. Its probably an impossible goal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596022
I am phonepostong which is a sin I admit. So I didn't make the mistake myself. I just like to say brainlet cuz the way it rolls off the tongue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596033
dont be so down on yourself over a typo

nihongo is possible even for "brainlets"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596033
>Its probably an impossible goal.
It's an impossible goal because you make it impossible.

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>>19596051
I'm meme'm how could you not learning the language of you read and listen to native works. Our messiah lingosteve cant be wrong. It's just useful to streamline with the Jamal guide.

[Anonymous No.]

Man, it's really hard to immerse myself in Japanese when almost everything they make sucks donkey balls.
Anime, manga, LNs and VNs might just be everything the Japanese entertainment industry is capable of making that has any merit outside of Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596089
Very true.

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>>19595920
>any way
>mean
You don't even know English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596089
immerse yourself in the shit from the golden era of the 80s thru the day before evangelion dropped

theres good stuff in there i promise

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596089
I dont know what I would have done without Japanese media like you mentioned. Western shows were crap even when I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596089
There aren't any other reason why weebs would want to learn unless you're planning on moving in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596089
What reason do you have for learning Japanese if you don't like the media? I'm not being sarcastic I'm legitimately curious what your reason is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596089
Try learning Mandarin Chinese... Native materials are complete garbage and everything has a SUBBED version, which is fine, but good LISTENING practice is fucking hard to find outside of news.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596089
Western shows are pretty fucking awful

[Anonymous No.]

>>19595942
お金がかからず、簡単に言うと、無料の方法を教えてほしいです。

[Anonymous No.]

「ゲーム起動時に表示される注意文は」how is the 「時」read here? じ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596117
The four things I mentioned in my post.
But I can't just do it every day, I get bored.
I google Japanese youtubers they suck. Japanese TV shows suck, too. Memes, imageboards, movies, dramas. Mediocre.
I know the Western media aren't perfect either, but its Japanese counterpart is nowhere near its level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596158

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>>19596191
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596158
However you feel like, dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596191
What is the name of the extension you're using?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596163
you need some buddha in ur life boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks_nGzYijy4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596209
見るちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596209
yomichan, read the guide

[Anonymous No.]

>>19596210
>フリースックス島だと聞いて来ました
I hope that "フリー" means "free".