DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1989

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Last thread: >>19671675

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680592
I haven't told anyone I'm studying it. Why would you?

[Anonymous No.]

i want to work as an academic in japan

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reminder that manga use words with the same frequency as other written media regardless of the lack of narration, the only linguistic difference is pacing and someone who's reading at the speed they should read at will read manga at a similar number of characters per minute as anything else

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>>19680787
In manga you will never encounter words that describe facial expressions for example because they can be drawn.

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>>19680820
yes you will

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>>19680827
No you wont

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>>19680839
yeah, you will

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>>19680840
Nope

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>>19680848
yeah

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>>19680849
Nah

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680867
>怖がる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680887
>目まい

[Anonymous No.]

and before you say "those aren't facial expressions" you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

臆病

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>>19680787
you don't know japanese

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>>19680907
see >>19680897

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>>19680911
i'm not him and what he said is stupid
you still don't know japanese based on the claim you made

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680919
あなたならそうかもしれないが私はね

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>>19680897
You literally dont know Japanese if you thought I was talking about stuff like afraid and dizziness

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>>19680934
"scared" and "dizzy" are facial expressions

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>>19680934
You don't even know English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680937
Facial expressions are stuff like how the eyebrows are positioned or how wrinkles appear in parts of your face

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>>19680954
i have literally never read a book that detailed how a face's muscles were configured even in english
stop lying to yourself

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>>19680925
as thoroughly impressed as i am your initial claim is still false

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>>19680959
>i have literally never read a book

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680959
Youve literally never read a Japanese book

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680971
i have probably read far more than you actually
>>19680972
lol the actual state of djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680975
>i have probably read far more than you actually
that wouldn't be difficult to accomplish and yet there are clear indications otherwise

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>>19680976
okay, if you're gonna be like that, go ahead, open up a random novel and see if it describes someone's facial expression using non-emotional words more than twice

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>>19680985
i appreciate that you instantly moved the goalpost in preparation
i'm not going to find three examples in one book for you

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>>19680985
It is you who should pick up the random novel and give it a read dude

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>>19680995
because you can't

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>>19680999
i've in all likelihood read a lot more than you anon, i eat up nonfiction and fiction alike like candy, don't posture

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>>19680592
Why do you care what normalfags think? Why would anyone know you're studying Japanese, do you shove your flashcards in people's faces?

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>>19681000
whatever fluffs your ego

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>>19681004
you're the ego here dude

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>>19681009
a stunning lack of awareness

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>>19681023
nope

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>>19681025
it's actually worse if you're aware

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>>19681002
Thats not an achievement since I've only just started reading Japanese novels. But I immediately found out that they better for language learning than manga.

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>>19681037
the worst this could be is if i were aware and you weren't which is how it is

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>>19681040
you don't know japanese, do not argue about the learning process

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>>19681044
it's quite bad indeed, i hope you find more productive outlets

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>>19681051
I know more than you.

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>>19681059
you really don't

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>>19681060
if you think what he said is untrue that is unlikely

[Anonymous No.]

>>19681065
it is absolutely untrue

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>>19681060
Yeah I do

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>>19681068
you're probably assuming they're better because they have like 10x the text, but the truth is that you're also supposed to spend like 1/10th as much time on a volume of manga as a light novel

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>>19681075
>light novel
I'm not reading novels for teenagers

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>>19681075
if you think the only difference is the amount of text you should try reading more

[Anonymous No.]

what dialect is やんす as a copula from? i haven't seen it before. i'm still pretty new though tbf

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>>19681086
is that seriously what you think light novels are
>>19681087
there very well are other differences but they are not relevant to language learning because you're supposed to consume as broad of a variety of materials as possible
wow what a concept
>>19681092
edo era kansai prostitute speak

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>>19681105
>is that seriously what you think light novels are
Yes. They are also filled with furigana like the manga you posted.

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>>19681122
lol holy shit you're so ignorant

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>>19681105
>they are not relevant to language learning
yes they are
>you're supposed to consume as broad of a variety of materials as possible
this is true but not does not change the reality of the prior fact

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>>19681132
they're not and it does

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>>19681125
Did you run out of arguments? I guess I won this round.

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>>19681122
really makes u think

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>>19681141
what you said completely flies in the face of reality so uh

stop posting about things you don't know about

[Anonymous No.]

How difficult would rewrite be compared to something like Fureraba? I have around 5.5k in anki and I was thinking of trying more difficult VNs. Any ideas?

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>>19681140
i'm convinced that you do not actually believe anything that you post

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>>19681153
rewrite is harder but also a lot of it is badly written because unfortunately more people worked on it than just romeo-sama
wait until you know enough to know what parts to dodge or are willing to sludge through the bad parts

[Anonymous No.]

>>19681105
>edo era kansai prostitute speak
oh so it being used here is just silly anime shit?

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>>19681154
if it consoles you at all i do not think anybody should try to learn japanese exclusively through manga or anime
the same is true of anything, though, nobody should try to learn japanese through novels, especially not "literary" novels, nobody is harder to communicate with than an ESL who learned english through literary fiction

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>>19681167
yeah

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>>19681092
げんざいのにほんで

つかわれてる

ほうげんではないとおもう

あたしはしらない

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>>19681145
So are they also limited to only use the jouyou kanji?

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>>19681181
there are regulations about this you know

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>>19681168
similarly, i do not think that you must avoid manga
variety is important
it is simply a fact that there are differences in the material of manga that are relevant to using them as a resource in language learning
to say otherwise is ridiculous

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>>19681187
Almost every page on the novels I've read have use a bunch of kanji outside of jouyou and jinmeiyou lists.

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>>19681190
i think such differences are irrelevant because you can find similar differences between literally any categories you can draw
BL uses different words and writing styles than yuri
salaryman manga uses different vocabulary than shounen fantasy action manga
literary novels use different vocabulary than nonfiction novels
>>19681202
wow i'm so proud

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>>19681203
Keep on reading the manga and light novels targeted for highschoolers. Maybe in 10 years youll be able to take a step into adult literature.

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>>19681212

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>>19681212
i read more adult literature than you.

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>>19681219
You have not read a single Japanese novel

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>>19681227
i have actually read too many japanese novels to count

[Anonymous No.]

>>19681231
You have read zero novels so you can't count the number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19681245
false

[Anonymous No.]

80 posts and I already wish this thread was dead.

[Anonymous No.]

マジレス:
to isolate manga and "call it out" for being different is, as it were, "bad faith", especially when the people doing so have other motives or are acting out of closeted shame for consuming or having been interested in manga, or a pretense that such things are childish and infantile
is it important for beginners to grow out of manga if they start with it? yes. but that's not what "manga isn't reading" or similar sentiments convey
do you want me to start spamming "literary novels aren't reading"? if not, then leave it at this
last response btw feel free to go ham and spam vocaroos at me

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>>19681264
this is the least-shitty post you have ever made
>especially when the people doing so have other motives or are acting out of closeted shame for consuming or having been interested in manga, or a pretense that such things are childish and infantile
this is false
>if not, then leave it at this
you're not going to stop the guy who has nothing else to say
i find it better to use the forced meme productively to start conversations

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>>19681293
At least use a forced meme that doesn't confuse hopeless beginners.

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>>19681332
i generally don't post it by itself

[Anonymous No.]

Help me identify this kanji

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>>19681455
draw it into google translate

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>>19681455
power mouth bean ground

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>>19681455
美嘉

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>>19681455
>https://www.kanjitomo.net/
>google translate pen
>radical search
pick one, you got clean scans

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>嘉
Why isn't it on kanjidamage?

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>>19680751
>Why would you?
Why indeed, unless they're native Japanese speakers or can otherwise help you then it's actually harmful to your studying to announce it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbrwPBHyfQA

>>19680787
This except news articles but that's obvious. Also the chuuni word like てめぇ which nobody uses in real life.

>>19680820
Yes you will.
>H-Her face looks scary.
>What a scary look.
For anything more advanced than that, like "her eyebrows were raised and her mouth smirking", you should be able to use your own vocab and grammar to say the same thing. You shouldn't have to rely on set phrases you've seen in texts to do that stuff.
>This argument devolved into "u dont know japanese" "no u" "no u"
Jesus Christ, you two.

>>19681145
>>19681122
It depends on the LN and what the target audience is. I was surprised that SAO had practically no furigana when I saw it in a store recently.


Anyway, I came here to meme.
>textbooks teach you that いる is for animate objects and ある is for inanimate objects
>textbooks teach you that there can only be one は in a sentence
>textbooks teach you that それの is grammatically incorrect
>textbooks teach you that でも means "but"
Reminder not to use textbooks as a primary learning tool.

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>>19681502
https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/
Shed your worries and spread the One Gospel with us, anon.

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>>19681518
I'm sorry anon, I'm against this on principal because it's all one page and difficult to navigate. I don't hate it though.

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>>19681518
what angle does this even cover that the hundred other grammar guides/books don't

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>>19681533
It's on a neocities website which is cool and also I made this :-)

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>>19681533
It's like an order of magnitude shorter than a textbook.

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>>19681540
Do you know Japanese?

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>>19681570
>responding to an obvious troll

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>>19681524
>all one page
i prefer being able to ctrl+f through the entire content
it is difficult to navigate though

[Anonymous No.]

ボイロ‥‥
大好きっ

[Anonymous No.]

I hate nihongo.
You either learn common vocab first regardless of the components to make it easier on yourself to get started reading but have to cope with (initially) crazy-hard kanji, or alternatively you learn words based on the ease of their kanji or components you already know (i.e. learning 言う and 舌 before 話す) but then you miss out on a ton of important/common words at first and can't read for shit. It's a loss-loss situation.

Which method is better? I've tried the first one, but my retention rate for "complex" characters was piss-poor.

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>>19681688
>learning 言う and 舌 before 話す
yeah don't do this

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>>19681688
You can also do both at the same time.

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>>19681688
It took me a while to come across 舌 but once you do you get it straight away. No point in learning it separately.

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>>19681692
Yup, I used this particular example to showcase how dumb it can be. But I can definitely see it helping retentention rate.

>>19681705
How?

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>>19681688
when i first started learning i tried learning words from kklc's vocab list to accomplish that and by 1000 words it became clear that it was a mistake as my retention went to shit. don't learn words you wont see.

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>>19681688
somewhere right at the beginning of the guide it says to go study radicals if you have trouble with kanji retention.

what i did personally is just write every new word once or twice, following stroke order. just the process of writing them with a guide made it much easier for me to distinguish between characters (and writing forces you to focus more on what you're learning)

try one of those two things.

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>>19681688
First + studying radicals help.

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>>19681722
By learning common vocab and learning kanji at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

しんねんど？

にほんごとった？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19677911
https://mobile.twitter.com/yuricoJP/status/1030098765141557249 おねがいします

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best doujin artists to follow on twitter?

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>>19681959
all of them
mute the ones that tweet too much garbage

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>>19681959
There are tens of thousands of them, it really depends on what you're into. There's no sense in recommending artists who mostly draw and retweet shit you're not into.

That said if you like schoolgirls (which everyone does) and boats (which not everyone does) I like kusakabe.

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>>19681801
>By learning common vocab
Sure, you can do that with a frequency list and/or common sense.
>learning kanji
What kanji? From a frequency list? By stroke count? Those you encounter in vocab?

>>19681771
>>19681784
I guess I should "seriously" study radicals. I find it much easier to remember characters when you think of them as blocks of other characters.
>writing forces you to focus more on what you're learning
I'm pretty sure you're right, I'm not focusing enough on what I'm learning. When I come accross new words, I more often than not tell to myself "so its components are this kanji and that kanji.. got it", and I find myself almost completely forgetting the writing. Needless to say, this is a serious issue for look-alikes or words that share one (or more) characters. I think I'm gonna focus on radicals for a while so as to be able to make more sense of kanji, and also pay more attention to the writings when learning/reviewing from now on.

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So I used to parse VN when I started learning Japanese but I moved to LN/Manga and I want to come back to it. What's the current standard software/hook?

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>>19682024
don't use parsers just use a clipboard inserter and a mouseover dictionary

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>>19682024
It's called a brain.

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>>19682028
That's what I meant, sorry. Just something that lets me see the definitions of words I don't know, and some way of putting them in a text file so that I can add them in Anki.

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>>19682024
Did you try reading the fucking guide?

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>>19681153
do what u want

its got layers so that people on all levels can enjoy it from the completely oblivious keytard to the well educated scholar to whatever you have to be to sit through the chihaya and lucia routes

where you fall in that just determines how confusing the late game and overall theme is for you and i guess prolly how much youll be lost on most of romeos wit sprinkled throughout since it can be funny sometimes

think of it like a platforming game where you can beat the game without 100%ing everything but you missed a bunch of shit along the way without even noticing and just had a good time anyway

but good things await the meticulous or some shit

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>>19680722
Why is there a new guide?

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>>19682057
Last I remember there were multiple text hookers available.

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>>19680722
why も instead of は

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>>19682101
because the old guide is unmaintained, its maintainer abandoned djt, and it cannot be transferred to a new maintainer because it's hosted on a premium neocities account

>>19682109
the guide links to a specific build of ithvnr and that is the only texthooker you should use; it has the highest compatibility among all versions of ith and agth

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>>19682101
good thing you asked as they didnt even put it on the op https://nihongobyjamal.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682109
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/guide.html#_Visual%20Novels

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682126
Thanks.
>>19682117
Thanks I didn't know about that specific build.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682117
Shame, I enjoyed that guide too. It seems people really do leave DJT after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682152
i mean the actual guide is still the same (despite it being bad) it's just the site that's different

[Anonymous No.]

Do any of our DJT learners have been to Japan already?
I just came back from a 1 month trip and I'd like to relate my experience and ask for some help.

So, I've been studying Japanese for a year and so. My main objective is to read untranslated VNs and doujinshi and I was doing quite alright.
Kanji was, obviously, the most difficult part for me as it is to almost everyone.

But when I arrived in Japan, I had another problem: I couldn't speak as much as I could understand.

It was ok for me to understand a good amount of information that people wanted to pass to me, but I simply couldn't answer without looking like a retard. I can't really build sentences that well, I keep making mistakes at grammar.

How can I improve on this part? Since I study by myself. I'd like to communicate well because I'd like to make friends in my next trip.

[Anonymous No.]

i love guides i get emotionally attached to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682186
Find people to talk to, obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682186
Talk to DJT. It’s always funny if you mess up instead of feeling stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682186
converse more

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>>19682186
I'm living there right now.

>It was ok for me to understand a good amount of information that people wanted to pass to me, but I simply couldn't answer without looking like a retard. I can't really build sentences that well, I keep making mistakes at grammar.
That's just the difference between passive and active vocabulary, people generally understand more words than they can use, even in their native language. I recommend finding friendly people who will talk a little slower for you, not retard-levels of slow but just slow enough that you can parse the words. They'll naturally talk faster as they think you improve, it's pretty heart-warming how helpful they are once they consider you a friend.

>>19682208
This is a good meme

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>>19682225
you shouldnt have anyone talk slower for you it needs to be at normal comfortable pace

learning warped and distorted speech like that isnt beneficial

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>>19682267
I disagree, incomprehensible input is as good as no input. Scaffolding is proven to work, you start at levels you can handle then work your way up. Children also learn language like this, it's known as "baby-talk". As an adult you shouldn't ever need to do something that low-level but talking slow is another thing entirely. Disagreeing is going against decades of science on learning information (not just language).

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>>19682267
not him but also it is entirely possible to find slow speech that is not stilted/forced and people can speak slowly/clearly without forcing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682285
youre making a bad assumption in the first sentence of your post which further reinforces that you should be disregarded for anything involving learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682300
normal and comfortable pace for the speaker is what you want 100% of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682319
some people speak slower and also everyone has a large range of what speaking speeds are comfortable

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>>19682306
Funny how you ignored the entire beef of the argument for your own benefit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682333
read again: normal and comfortable pace for the speaker is what you want 100% of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682338
not an argument

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682319
Can you explain why or are you just being friendly and sharing your opinion?

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>>19682354
don't bait them into an explanation it's a red herring

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>>19682337
you were gracious enough to preface your post with a disclaimer that you dont know what youre talking about when it comes to learning

>>19682343
not arguing im dictating and none of that goes against >>19682333

esl?

>>19682354
no i wont you can either listen to me or be a retard i could not care less

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>>19682186
Write (type) and talk more, there's no secret to it.
As knowledgeable about the language as you may be, you won't be able to talk if you never practiced. You don't have to find someone to talk to, the important thing is being able to come up with gramatically-correct sentences on the go. You can even talk to yourself; I do this all the time during "down time" (while showering or cooking for instance).
Unlike what language classes like to tell you, the most important and fundamental thing is having a good comprehension. If you do you will acquire solid expressions skills as long as you put in SOME effort.

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>>19682360
If they can explain it then maybe they have a legitimate argument, I'm not trying to shut them down just because I disagree with them. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows. I'm not going to be that guy that spits "you don't know japanese" repeatedly because I disagree.

>>19682369
>>19682369
I see.

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>>19682369
lol accusing people of being esl
i'm a native speaker of english and you're either being really stupid or uh
let me put it this way
>everyone has a large range of what speaking speeds are comfortable

>>19682389
they don't have a legitimate argument they're just repeating themselves and ignoring anything that elaborates on how what they're saying is wrong

>>19682380
what you want to speak fluently is to be able to think in japanese. don't start from thinking it's about actual output

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>>19682380
this guy is also gracious enough to let you know not to read the rest of his post after one sentence

you want to be typed to and talked to more

>>19682398
here dude 1 more time ill keep pasting it till you understand theres no incongruity here

normal and comfortable pace for the speaker is what you want 100% of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682434
ok
everyone has a large range of what speaking speeds are comfortable

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682440
and so normal and comfortable pace for the speaker is what you want 100% of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682434
>output doesn't improve output

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682450
and also everyone has a large range of what speaking speeds are comfortable

[Anonymous No.]

Anyway, >>19682186, if you're having a lot of trouble listening at normal speed then just listen to a slower speed. The only thing to be careful of is that you don't let it become a crutch: As soon as you're comfortable with the initial speed you choose, make it faster, then get comfortable with that speed, then make it faster, until you get to normal speed.
Being able to listen to people talking faster than what natural speech is like is the same thing but it will be easier to do that without trying as much once you can listen to normal speed.

Just don't listen to slow speech forever or it will go from a remedy to a poison.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682454
RETARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>19682458
so normal and comfortable pace for the speaker is what you want 100% of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682454
output only removes the latches, it doesn't improve your potential

you can only output what you can understand, and you can only fluently output what you can spontaneously generate during thought. fluent thought comes from extensive input

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682454
Isn’t that what the theory was about?

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>>19682468
not an argument

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>>19682434
>this guy is also gracious enough to let you know not to read the rest of his post after one sentence
Don't respond to my posts if you won't bother reading past the first sentence.
Just to let you know since I doubt you will go back to my post because you probably hate being wrong,
>you want to be typed to and talked to more
Is pretty much the whole point I was making. After the very first sentence, that is.

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>>19682478
i dont argue i dictate

and you 聴く

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682470
your output cannot exceed your input
output is still valuable for improving output
>>19682474
what theory are you referring to

[Anonymous No.]

Christ, what he means by "normal and comfortable pace" is that the native speaker shouldn't feel restricted to a specific pace and just talk to you as naturally as possible (i.e. in his natural range).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682498
>your output cannot exceed your input
>output is still valuable for improving output
that's what i just said yes

[Anonymous No.]

Listen to ボイロ実況, the voices are screwed up and they talk really fast!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeFMZcW6h0g

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682503
no dude i was posted up ready to paste it for fuckin 1100 posts you cant do that dont take that away from me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682470
wow you're a fucking retard
that's exactly what >>19682380 said but you told him off
fucking donkey

[Anonymous No.]

What kanji did I just draw?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682523
acquire reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682525
none

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682525
集

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682498
then the question is why you contradicted a suggestion of more output to someone who wants to improve output and clearly only inputs with
>you want to be typed to and talked to more

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>>19682498
Krashen’s

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>>19682538
krashen's theory is that output practice is hardly any good (though it is very true that you have to practice speaking to speak clearly, even in your native language, i basically never talk irl and have issues speaking without impediment as a result)

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>>19682536
>>19682509

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>>19682518
Why don't you go make some more posts like >>19682079 instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>It's another "DJT: Someone asks a question and autism ensues" thread
Can we have just one thread where a question is met with an answer and opposing answers are met with a civil discussion, or is that too much to ask for a board that literally has otaku in its name?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682547
theres not enough posts that inspire me enough

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>>19682529
yes, yes you should
either this or stop posting altogether

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682538
what krashen's theory says about output is that it doesn't improve your input
>>19682543
that is a shitty interpretation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682548
No one here who participates in these arguments cares about actual discussion. They just want to feel like they "won" something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682566
no krashen's theory includes output's effects on output not doing much too

you should actually read his papers instead of just skimming the wikipedia pages about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682564
there is no need to use output to get better at output except for the mechanical aspects of doing so
if you can think in japanese you can speak and speaking does not make you better at thinking in japanese
this isn't hard to wrap your head around if you haven't already settled on weird ideas that don't apply

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682547
besides look at the fire i started with completely standard and effective approaches to learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682571
considering we've already established you don't read i'm surprised that you would claim to have read his papers

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682515
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2u8vQLeaKk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682583
do you think that reading his papers is a high claim
http://www.sdkrashen.com/
go ahead! they're right there, mostly short, and they're actually well-written, unlike most things from people his age

[Anonymous No.]

>>19681518
>Sometimes 今度 means "the next time this happens". This is just like how sometimes "this Friday" means "the next time Friday happens". It's not possible to translate things unambiguously/accurately without context. Assume that every single example sentence here might have similar problems. This is the only translation note you're getting.
I don't know who wrote that but now I finally understand that word and I'm finally gonna stop confusing it with "right now". Thank you to whoever wrote that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682534
>>19682533
Better luck next time!
It's actually 奪

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682573
how the hell do you learn how to properly ""think"" (i.e. making correct sentencens in your head) in Japanese if you never, practiced output you fucking retard
next you're gonna tell me thinking in a given language doesn't amount to outputing?
your EOP shows

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682616
you're delusional

[Anonymous No.]

How is thinking not output?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682623
and you don't know any foreign languages, let alone Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682616
>next you're gonna tell me thinking in a given language doesn't amount to outputing?
It doesn't though.
>>19682626
Output is about speech and constructing written text. Thinking in a language is the mental recycling of acquired language patterns.

"Output" does not mean "generating language", it means actually putting it outside of your mind/body.

Thinking of the Japanese phrase for fast rivers and mentally attaching ですね to the end of it is not output.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682626
It is, but it’s like sub-output as opposed to using your vocal cords and mouth motions plus all that fancy stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682639
>Output
>actually putting it outside
>putting ... outside
>put... ... out...
>output

[Anonymous No.]

Whatever it be that you autists were arguing over, you all are wrong and I'm the only one right. No more argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682639
Output is basically production.

>Speaking
You decide what you want to say by pulling out the words from your lexicon.

>Writing
You decide what you want to write by pulling the words out of your lexicon.

>Thinking
You pull the words out of your lexicon.

The thing that makes all these output is that you're creating the thought yourself. Reading and listening are input because you're not the one creating the thought, you're taking it in from another source.

Thinking is output.

[Anonymous No.]

just do the things i said before yall got all retarded and youll be all right mates

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682675
I'll admit that if you create a dichotomy that any language activity must be either input or output, then thinking is better considered output than input, but I really don't consider it either. It's too automatic, and the monitor cannot be applied to it.

[Anonymous No.]

Reset my mining deck after a 6 month break. I was doing a lot of listening and reading but I could feel my kanji knowledge lacking, I would see words and recognize the kanji but not know the reading. Anyway it feels good to be back on track with this aspect of my study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682686
Good for you anon, keep it up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682686
私たちは出来る！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682639
>Thinking in a language is the mental recycling of acquired language patterns.
Social scientists everyone, spouting unfounded gibberish and pretending it's factual.
If you genuinely think you can start thinking in a foreign language "out of the blue" without ever going through the process of outputting/producing you're either completely wrong without realizing it or have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

Language is a social construct why bother?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682723
>Social scientists
lol
>If you genuinely think you can start thinking in a foreign language "out of the blue" without ever going through the process of outputting/producing you're either completely wrong without realizing it or have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
Children do this and also I do it in Japanese.

Thinking in a language is not forming specific patterns of words or full sentences. It's lumpy abstract information that's "collapsed" to the right actual words when you actually go to output it. Yes, the process of turning thought into output needs practice, but you absolutely do not need to practice output to get good at thinking in the language because... you have to think in the language before you output it.

[Anonymous No.]

you can think small things especially stuff that is reactionary that you dont even try to think about but still think them

composing complex thoughts is gonna require a reasonable degree of verbal fluency like DUHHH

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682757
i wouldn't put it that way, i would say that it goes hand in hand

[Anonymous No.]

well right its definitely not 2 separate things its not chicken and the egg

[Anonymous No.]

今日はみんなの日本語が進むしますか

[Anonymous No.]

like yeah outputting can make you better at thinking but it's not going to get you there
you have to get the input and also you have to be able to think in very elaborate fragmentary japanese before you can output fluently
when people think of learning through outputting they think of either reciting fixed phrases or forcing your way through conversations, and neither of those will make you any more better (that is grammatical, wait until the end of the sentence) at thinking in japanese than input would (see)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682788
俺は進む。他の人は関係ないのだ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682788
いいえだからシットポーストしまった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682744
>you have to think in the language before you output it.
For the Xth time thinking IS outputting.
Anyways this whole argument is completely stupid and tiresome, the point I was initially making was exactly this
>Yes, the process of turning thought into output needs practice
so I'm glad someone else gets it.

[Anonymous No.]

Is mechanically uttering set phrases and sentence patterns out of a textbook outputting?
Is having to translate things in your head before formulating a response outputting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682811
>thinking is outputting
>turning thought into output
surely you see a problem with the wording here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682820
Yes. Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

the thing is youre supposed be fed those blurbs and then be able to play with them and gattaiして them to other blurbs and do all kinds of things like a baby playing with wooden blocks that have letters painted on them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682820
You have to start somewhere. It's not like one day you'll magically become fluent

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682811
If you want me to be more clear, you can interpret the wording of my position as this:

Output is a process that involves thought, encoding, and possibly monitoring.

Thought itself does not require any output practice, though output practice can make it easier to think the right things.

Encoding requires practice. If you speak sentences to yourself in Japanese, that's encoding, whether it's in your head or you vocalize it. This is the earliest stage where I would consider it "output".

You can think of pre-encoding linguistic thought as a bunch of blurbs that aren't sure what words they actually correspond to. Like, "eating, with the word 食う, but past tense, and also polite". This can be "encoded" into multiple phrases, for example 食いました or 食ったです, the latter of which is less likely but still an option. It's not determined yet.

Most linguistic thought is not encoded, so I would not consider it output.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682868
I like to believe this about reading too. If you’ve only read vocabulary, grammar and such a couple of tens of times, that’s little compared to hundreds and thousands of exposure. You’ll definitely get quicker as you’ve read that much more. It may feel disheartening to not get it so soon, but ganbatte!

[Anonymous No.]

if you speak to yourself in japanese and have no way to check whether youre saying something valid or retarded or at the very least what you want to be saying then youre not encoding youre just reinforcing being ignorant and retarded and you should just be working on your anime 10k

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682927
going by his terminology, it's very hard to build bad habits without encoding

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682835
This might come off as lazy but I see no point in arguing about this any further when this >>19682675 post exist.
Anyways, the problem lies with your inability to understand the fact that outputting doesn't necessary involve the world outside your head. The single act of pulling a word out of thin air (memory) constitutes outputting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682936
>The single act of pulling a word out of thin air (memory) constitutes outputting.
Aaaaaand now everyone knows not to care about what you say. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682936
>Anyways, the problem lies with your inability to understand
i haven't been in this argument and i don't have a problem with your definition
but some people are using different definitions and i don't think they are necessarily wrong for it either

[Anonymous No.]

Is Kiminozo worth reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683015
Not if you have to ask.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682882
I understand where you're coming from and I don't exactly disagree with most of your post.
In this part in particular:
>Thought itself does not require any output practice, though output practice can make it easier to think the right things.
I firmly believe (from experience and simple logic) that output practice (be it making sentences in your head or writing) is essential to be able to "think the right things", although it's not the thing you should spend the most time on (as stated in my initial post).

>>19682941
Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean you should start acting like a nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

racism outside of /b/

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683062
How so? I don't want to potentially waste over 50 hours of my life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683105
kids these days are literally too afraid to pick up something they know nothing about and just play it

where has the sense of wonder in our youth gone

cant you do anything yourself without needing the internet to soothe your psyche about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683119
Is it good or not, gramps?

[Anonymous No.]

Been living in Japan for over 4 years now
Started with DJT back in 2012
Ask me anything /jp/tards

[Anonymous No.]

I don't play anything if it's not recommended on steam.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683131
it was epic back then because it fit the meta *snorts while pushing up glasses*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683132
Can you interpret and understand Subahibi on anything but a surface level?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683132
Have you seen any pussy? Has any of it been paipan?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't play anything that isn't rated 80 or higher on metacritic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683132
are you happy and fulfilled? do you feel that you are finally with your people?

[Anonymous No.]

persona 5 is the greatest jrpg ever made

*coughs up blood*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683132
Is it worth it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683141
I don't know, the last time I attempted to play any VN was over a year ago with Muramasa and I closed it out of boredom in about 10 minutes. Unless it's really retardedly difficult and obtuse for the sake of being obtuse like the aforementioned or albatross or whatever I probably wouldn't have too much trouble with it
>>19683148
Nah, I'm too autistic to have sex. There's a reason I managed to learn Japanese you know
>>19683158
Surprisingly yes. I'm a lot happier than I ever was back home! People tell me I behave like a Japanese person, and they aren't complimenting me when they do. I guess that's being autistic for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683164
no that would be final fantasy x

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683178
nice fakepost

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683132
What do you do? Teach English?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683179
*posts the tidus "meme" face*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683176
It's unironically the best, and only noteworthy, accomplishment in my life
>>19683190
not fake, here's my JLPT score report. It's for the practice test that only takes place in Japan thus the percentages instead of the usual 180 point score
>>19683199
I work for a big company, I finished university here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683234
they printed your cert upside down

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683234
I didn't realize Japan was actually Australia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683246
4chan deletes the exif data so hakkers don't dox you and my photos always end up australian, sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683234
>I work for a big company, I finished university here
Nice, what field/job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683281
IT. It's actually a quickly growing field in Japan but companies are desperate because engineers fluent in both English and Japanese are basically nonexistent, and they can't just import 10 trillion Indians like they do in Sillicon Valley. So if you fit the bill it's actually pretty easy to find a job

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683234
Congrats. What advice would you give to other learners?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683234
>content with your life
>wageslaving in japan
This is very special kind of autism.

[Anonymous No.]

foreigner "wage cucks" arent as bad as native japanese "wage cucks" so i dont see the problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683132
So what did you do exactly? Follow the DJT guide? Did Anki even exist back then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683302
But then you have to be an IT drone

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683302
I didn't know this. This is interesting news, but at the same time IT is already bad enough. Now IT in Japan? Are you just stuck doing nothing nothing? Like double nothing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683345
You probably have autism if you study Japanese anyway, it will be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683315
Play enough eroge until it sticks and grind them anki cards every day, then move to Japan once you plateau out
Worked for me
>>19683317
It's definitely not for everyone. Or most people even. I admit the working environment and pay are probably shittier than -good- white collar jobs in western countries. But it's fucking Japan, you've got everything you could ever want as a weeb, you can walk around at night not giving a fuck about anything, YOU are the minority and the special snowflake. It's fucking awesome. Also at work there's this weird feeling of solidarity between everyone like you'd get in the military, if you can enjoy that it's actually pretty good. And no landwhales/tumblrinas/SJW to ever deal with.
>>19683343
Yeah I followed the guide. Of course it existed, threads were on /a/ back then though. I used kanjidamage to -gasp- individually learn all the jouyou kanji and I started reading at some point. Don't think I ever really grinded any word lists

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683343
He put his fingers out of his ass and started learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683360
>I used kanjidamage
Absolutely based.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683354
There's a lot of downtime, and most of the "problems" I solve are really stupid and easy. I actually don't work overtime as much as you'd believe, I leave at about 17:30-18:00 on an average day
>>19683383
It used to get shit on a lot back in the day, has that changed? His mnemonics are retarded but they're easy to remember for that reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683393
It is not even mentioned now.

[Anonymous No.]

seriously yall gettin fake posted on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683409
who would do that?

[Anonymous No.]

> yellow fire hydrant
>>19683409
Why do you think so?
>>19683408
Probably for a good reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683437
you just have an air of fail and aids about you

[Anonymous No.]

japanese is a dying language and you can't learn it, idiots

[Anonymous No.]

But seriously, get the fuck out of this thread and go read, idiots. Those 6 years passed by in a fucking flash and so will the next 6, and then 10, and then 20. Time is fucking scary like that. You either act now or wake up and wonder why you're 40 years old and why you never managed to learn Japanese. It's not the language, it's you. Take this autist's advice, it's for your own good

[Anonymous No.]

One hand on the penis
Other hand at djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683492
Learn kanji first, I must.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683492
The reason this thread is so shit is that all the serious learners are doing better things and focusing while all the adhd shitposters remain to argue with each other. I only stop in every once in a while because it is a waste of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683492
>wonder why you're 40 years old and why you never managed to learn Japanese
because you can't fucking learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683492
>tfw already fluent and come here to feel better about myself

[Anonymous No.]

imagine thinking that you're fluent in japanese lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683492
I like to think I'll manage it before 30.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683500
How far are you in RTK?

[Anonymous No.]

What's the difference between 暗号文 and 暗号配列? Is the former the general term and the latter referring to a particular representation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683492
nice exit stage left post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683492
good post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683492
this is me but wondering why im a virgin instead

[Anonymous No.]

How's the kanji for Kimi no Hitomi ni Hit Me? I'm thinking of buying it for my switch to practice reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683234
Wow! Thanks you fucking much for a N6 certificate ! such inspiration , thank you 4 year Japanese san!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683608
Don't think about kanji count or kanji complexity. It's a red herring.

Any game with three or more color-coded girls with varying breast sizes on the front cover has a 90%+ chance of being an acceptable first read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683608
That's some good art. Thanks for the introduction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683582
I'll be here all night, it's 1:27 AM and I just downed a 1L bottle of UCC coffee I bought for 78 yen at Aeon for some reason and whoah am I high on life right now
>>19683600
Yeah that post was actually subconsciously directed at myself but with regards to being a virgin, as they say we can't really talk about anything without talking about ourselves.

[Anonymous No.]

Which VPN service does anon use to access Japan region-locked content?

I know that services like Netflix tend to block known VPN IPs, so I think something obscure or with a large number of Japanese nodes would be best. You tell me!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683620
I'm getting several types of cancer from that photo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683620
Nice pink pen Mr. Fag, shame you're 9 points behind me on the N1. Unfortunately I seem to have shoved my certificate up my ass and now nobody on this developmental disorder-focused imageboard will believe me. Sad!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683234
>>19683620
It is unfortunate that fluency in Japanese comes paired with an inability to do basic image editing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683576

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683656
>basic image editing
Does it mean I'm not gonna make it if I can do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683623
>as they say we can't really talk about anything without talking about ourselves.
every time i realize this about myself i die a little more inside
good luck with the social growth

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683682
dont worry n1 doesnt imply fluency : )

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683650
Also, and just take this one for the road, every time you say you've passed the N1 and some Japanese person says that's hard to do even for natives, they're LYING. It's not hard at all for natives, that's bullshit. It's like saying the fuckin toefl test is hard for English natives.
And don't even get me started on what a joke TOEIC is
>>19683688
Thanks, I'll need it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683697
they arent lying they just think you took a real test that requires demonstrating actual aptitude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683619
I tend to skip reading info dumps which is why I'm asking to the kanji.

>>19683622
There's a demo available if you're buying it on the switch. The games available on August 23 but there's a 10% discount if you pre-order, or what ever you call it.

https://gematsu.com/2018/07/kimi-no-hitomi-ni-hit-me-coming-to-switch-on-august-23-in-japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683622
yeah that arts really good its those same 4 hentai bitches from every other visual game made in the last decade

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683690
yeah, nukemarine's videos doesn't imply his influency too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683619
What if they all have the same breast sizes? Is it a no-go?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683710
they aren't confused

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683563
I'm doing radicals now, will finish by next week probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683726
who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683727
Still possible but there's a chance it's secretly scenarioge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683608
So which one's the loli?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683731
no they are they thought you took a test they are vaguely aware of existing and not the shit that only gaijins know about

[Anonymous No.]

so what's everyone doing to study nihongo right now? i'm grinding my mobage and reading some usagi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683656
>basic image editing
>for a one time shitpost phone shoot jpg

priority dude, that's how he (atleast) reached N1 but not you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683823
SOMEONE GET SOME ICE CUZ HE GONNA DIE FROM THAT BURRRRRRRRRN

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683818
Youtube and dictionaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683818
reading visual novels

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683818
Tokimeki memorial bug videos on youtube with nico nico comments and idol variety shows

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683818
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

[Anonymous No.]

DJTっていうスレにいるくせに、なんでお前ら日本語使ってないんだコラ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680722
how long of daily studying would it take to let me play pc 9801 games

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683925
You could study 24 hours a day every day and still not be able to play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683932

[Anonymous No.]

as long as it takes for you to insert the diskette

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683912
whats your issue

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683945
haha

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683968
what the fuck is this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683912
日本語で書き込むとジャニーボーイに消される可能性が高いゾ
そんな危険を誰が冒すものか！！！
それよりオナニーだ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683945
What the fuck is a diskette?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683971
한글

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683977
ask your dad

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683968
i can read that but i dont know what it means lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683979
if you can answer, how easy is korean compared to japanese and please don't say anything about hangeul

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684037
korean is like japanese just better in every way

just think of like every way japanese sux and korean fixes that problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684062
the exact opposite of this poster's statement is the truth

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684062
>got rid of kanji
>sticks to one writing system
>even has radicals as the actual language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684062
all i know about korean other than the hangeul worship is that the phonetics seem like a pain in the ass which leads me to believe that this is accurate >>19684073
some part of my inner eastasiaboo still has the irrational desire to learn chinese and korean though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684083
>is ugly lines
>no media worth consuming in it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684101
Korean Drama are kino though.

[Anonymous No.]

What does the highlighted box mean?
https://exhentai.org/s/b43f8fdedb/1108211-168

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684100
oh wow you mean like how english phonetics are prolly a pain in the ass to those who dont know english??

its like you have to actually learn a language to learn a language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684124
please try to contain your hwabyung

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684124
japanese phonetics weren't a pain in the ass is all i'm saying
don't take it so seriously

[Anonymous No.]

korean is like the arabic of the east. it sounds fucking disgusting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684123
look up ザー飲

you should get it from there

if i was 10 years younger id prolly have a boner right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684155
Why does Japanese sound so nice and beautiful to the ears?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684123
It says "ohhh, za nomi" which means "oh it's a drink" you're welcome

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684037
hello, korean was easy to learn to read but hard to speak.
very easy to read, like 2 weeks and you can read most things

i want to learn japanese to play old games though, so korean doesn't help me here, korean is semi-phoenetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684123
ザーメン飲む

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684138
are you threatening me

>>19684146
it is serious

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684192
>very easy to read, like 2 weeks and you can read most things

Reading means that you understand the meaning of the text, not just how to pronounce it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684243
nice im sure someones gonna get pissed over this one

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684193
amazing how much japanese content this pulls up

[Anonymous No.]

reading isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684243
yes, that's what i mean, understand text but not be able to speak language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684251
well like its the only thing they can do without having gay ass mosaics over it lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684253
No one has ever learnt to read Korean in two weeks. You should try accomplishing something before saying it's possible.

[Anonymous No.]

read
riːd/
verb
verb: read; 3rd person present: reads; past tense: read; past participle: read; gerund or present participle: reading

1.
look at and comprehend the meaning of (written or printed matter) by interpreting the characters or symbols of which it is composed.
"it's the best novel I've ever read"
synonyms: peruse, study, scrutinize, look through; More
pore over, devour, be absorbed in, bury oneself in;
wade through, plough through;
run one's eye over, cast an eye over, leaf through, scan, glance through, flick through, skim through, thumb through, flip through, browse through, dip into;
archaiccon
"he sat reading the evening newspaper"
decipher, make out, make sense of, interpret, understand, comprehend
"I can't read my own writing"
have the ability to look at and comprehend the meaning of written or printed matter.
"only three of the girls could read and none could write"
speak (the written or printed matter that one is reading) aloud.
"I read the letter to her"
synonyms: read out, read aloud, say aloud, recite, declaim
"‘Listen to this,’ he said and read a passage of the letter"
habitually read (a particular newspaper or periodical).
"now, I know what my reputation is—I read the papers"
(of a passage, text, or sign) have a certain wording.
"the placard read ‘We want justice’"
used to indicate that a particular word in a text or passage is incorrect and that another should be substituted for it.
"for madam read madman"
(of an actor) audition for (a role).
"ring your agent and say you'll read for the part"
2.
discover (information) by reading it in a written or printed source.
"he was arrested yesterday—I read it in the paper"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684263
it is not hard i do not get why you say that, i say two weeks if much effort is put in

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684272
Did you conclude that by reading half a paragraph of a Wikipedia article about Korean? It's not possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684288
this image is extremely cursed please delete

[Anonymous No.]

もう一度チームを僕の背中で担うしている。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684288
why does everyone insist on describing の as of with reversed order instead of describing it as 's without reversed order

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684288
>赤いの鱗の魚
really made me think

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684311
because 's is strictly a possessive and の is everything that a genitive can be without being a genitive

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684167
Maybe if I waited a month or two I could maintain a boner throughout the whole reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684288
dude its korean you just sound it out

>>19684313
the scales have truly fallen from my medamas lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Any Japanese lurking here?
I have a question only for native

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684426
Ask away

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684426
応、我大和也

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684426
hit me dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684448
> 私.jpg
kek

[Anonymous No.]

Why are all Japanese imageboards so dead? Where do Japanese people even post on the internet? Twitter? I ain't reading that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684527
Any imageboard is dead relative to this site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684527
5ch but if you're a yurofriend you can't get in anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

face it imageboards are a relic of 15 to 20 years ago

with advances in computer technology they are no longer needed by the next generation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684646
the next generation can SUCK my DICK

[Anonymous No.]

i mean i agree thats what im here for

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684654

[Anonymous No.]

Give it to me straight guys, if I just read will I be able to maintain my vocabulary and build? I'm so fucking sick of Anki, I just want to read and be happy but scared of forgetting all my words!

うるさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684802
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

once you start anki youre stuck using it for the rest of your life sorry dude but its the price you have to pay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684802
>>うるさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684802
Just stop adding new words and do your reviews. It takes me an average of 30-40 minutes doing my reviews and learning 50 new cards. After a year of no new cards you'll be doing reviews for 2 minutes a day. At that point it's really no problem to quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684802
if youve ever used flash cards your brain is permanently corrupted and you wont be able to do anything just in general

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684802
you'll miss anki when you've seen and looked up the same word 10 times but without enough proper repetition to remember it effectively

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684831
>learning 50 new cards
You add 50 cards a day and it still takes you less than an hour?

>>19684874
>>19684812
Which one of you is the troll?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684906
Well yes, learning 50 cards doesn't take long at all. I think this is normal once you break into 10000+
The problem is really mining 50 words a day so I don't do 50 new cards a day consistently, it's just the new card limit that I have.

[Anonymous No.]

i wish with subs2srs you could include pre-OP scenes, in other words remove portions of audio/video in the middle of an episode instead of just having to trim out the OP and everything before the OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684925
Show us some cards that you made with subs2srs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684932

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684906
I mean it depends on how many words and kanji you already know but I find anki a useful tool for connecting a word with its characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684874
this doesnt matter cause you will eventually

its not about the one thing you find not sticking its all the other shit that does

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683492
>get the fuck out of this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684925
I wish the media extractor could exclude OP/EDs when I extract audio. If the anime has chapters then it should be easy to exclude some of them. If only I was a decent programmer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684646
How has DJT not died to di****d?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685057
because the discords are full of useless scrubs too so it doesnt matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683503
Yea. I get some good stuff here and there but never really post but once a day. You need to break up your learning with little breaks but if you're hanging out in here for more than 15 minutes a couple of times a day you're not getting better.

[Anonymous No.]

djt has a discord? thats where i should be shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19684906
>Which one of you is the troll?
I'm the guy who said "yes".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685010
How difficult is it to study programming and Japanese at the same time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685096
Considering most people can't learn either one, pretty difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685091
>346
woah bro are you the most nihongo person in this thread?

[Anonymous No.]

When do I start watching anime without subs? I'm 3 weeks into learning Japanese and I feel like I'm on schedule with my reading, which isn't really all that hard and I can take on my speed. (Started yotsuba a week ago, reading 1 chapter a day, for anything I don't understand I first use jisho for individual words and if I still don't understand a sentence I look up the entire sentence then break it down using the english translation). This is all going great for me but I feel like listening just doesn't work for me. So anything without subs I would never understand, also with reading I can go on my own speed, with listening I have to pause like every 5 seconds to understand maybe one word.
So when do I start watching anime without subs? Of course I would also like to follow the story, otherwise what is the point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685180
When you can understand the actual meaning with subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685171
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685191
I feel like that's still a long time from now then. Reading is actually pretty easy in my opinion (still having trouble with multiple kanji words after each other, don't know where one ends and the next one begins). And I understand why /djt/ tells me to read early, because it really helps very much. I can't say the same with listening anime though....

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685180
ask these guys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuJW3bWmJ9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsFBbWXBJyc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpCTZQFJcjc

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685242
Is this what the typical DJT poster looks like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685273
no DJTers are even uglier and have worse voices which is why they never post vocaroos

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685273
doubtful because i like to think they arent as hopelessly fuck tarded as them

[Anonymous No.]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685292
One of these is not like the other.

[Anonymous No.]

So I just realized I was reading the wrong Tae Kim guide for the past month.
Djt site says the complete guide is incomplete, so can I just skim the parts I've already went through or does the grammar guide explain stuff more/better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685374
It doesn't matter because you can learn all of it anywhere else. Japanese Grammar is universal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685242
the first two are bad
the third one is good, especially the part where he tells people to use dlsite eroge trials as practice
>>19685374
skip over things you already learned it's not important

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685242
>>19685390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpCTZQFJcjc&t=2h34m20s
timestamp 2 hours 34 minutes 20 seconds

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685387
>>19685390
Ah gotcha, I just figured I'd ask cause some of the explanations in the complete guide were kinda iffy.
Thanks anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685394
https://streamable.com/lwi2n
made a streamable of it so people can share this particular golden bar of truth far and wide without worrying about linking to a video that might have unrelated bad advice in it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685427
just looking at that dude makes me smell the pigpen

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685441
what
he looks extremely hygienic

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685446
im sure he properly disinfects his piss jug biweekly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685427
>looks like that
>talks about eroge and doujin
Of course. He's no Steve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685390
>the first two are bad
but why? he asked about when he should stop using subtitles and i showed him 3 examples of people with good listening ability 1 year into their study, who all from the beginning did active listening practice without subtitles.

[Anonymous No.]

ima be frank *takes bite out of epic sandwich and resumes talking whist chewing* i dont give no fuck about what no white mother fucker got to say to me about learning japanese in english

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685463
the first one is exaggerating their ability
the second one hardly says anything other than "immersion (input) works" and "yes there is time to immerse (input)"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685462
this is the only path
my whole life was unlimited eroge works

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685492
maybe he explains it more in this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2H63wUoVlU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685486
Why is it always whites who make videos? Where are the others?

[Anonymous No.]

What should I rewatch as listening practice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685509
prolly cause the other colors are all doin it and makin shit happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685509
intelligence screens out most non-whites. the rest is due to english-speaking whites outnumbering everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

tgheres nothing intelligent about your ajatt blog

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685515
eromanga sensei
kin'iro mosaic
no game no life
pop team epic
yuru camp
rokka no yuusha (protag is boy btw)
non non biyori
rokudenashi
overlord
umaru
yuyushiki
comic girls
kill me baby
imouto sae ireba ii
shokugeki no souma

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685515
Rokudenshi, I'll fantasy you up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685515
ping pong and shift delete everything else cuz its all fucken TRASH

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685546
>>19685515
also make sure to be watching at least two shows at the "Same Time" so you don't burn out
i obviously don't mean putting them on at the same time, but don't marathon them, and interlace episodes of one show in between episodes of the other show

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685554
oh shit i didnt see ano natu that one owns 2 but only if u were around for the other please shit back when it dropped ftw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685578
oh and the sol high school boys show that 1s dope

ok but then everything is total t-rash

[Anonymous No.]

How good of an idea is it to move to Japan as a student in a Japanese learning school?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685600
if you have to ask djt its the worst possible shit you could ever do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685600
this >>19685601

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685515
Shingeki no Kyojin. Although I'm getting tired of it now that I watched it raw once and listened to the audio twice.

Hyouka was too hard. Going to try Barakamon, Hibike Euphonium, and Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso soon I think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685515
ACCA, Denpa Onna and Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei
Delete Rokudenashi. It's shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685619
barakamon has a really good 1st episode and then the rest of it is complete trash

>>19685621
szs is a terrible rec its a show thats really bad for non japanese imo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685558
Only two?
Currently watching these

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685632
at least two

not at the same time dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680787
>>19681212
>>19683818
>>19685180
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685632
focus on bottom left imo and ignore the other 75% of your screen thats filed with trash

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685638
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685634
Why not at the same time? Four times the efficiency with this setup

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685632
Does eromanga sensei have complex vocabulary? I don’t remember, but I don’t think it does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685644
doesn't need to, 90% of listening practice is building an understanding of prosody and stress

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685644
theres nothing complex coming from the guy who wrote oreimo dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685578
>natu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qxNJ7UabpA
Good listening practice.

[Anonymous No.]

Have about 3 hours free everyday at work. How far would studying for 15 hours a week get me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685656
why dont they just do a epic gattai and fix the both of them

[Anonymous No.]

>Take Japanese in Uni
>Entire class is Hafus minus 3 weebs
Why

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685658
itll get you half past the monkeys ass bro

[Anonymous No.]

Someone tell me what anime to watch that isn't on this image >>19685515

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685681
i hope you and the other 2 weebs can at least agree on anime and stuff otherwise its gonna be a long uncomfortable semester

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685684

[Anonymous No.]

how do we fix jmdict

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685628
> really bad for non japanese
That's the point. Learn from the hardest shit. Don't pamper yourself too much and making less to no progress at all. I won't be calling reading Nisio Isin's novels as a difficult task but I did that to brush up my reading skills (without relying on anki or flashcard bullshit) and I am able read shit in less than 2 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685689
logh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685689
log horizon
inb4 it's on there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iflsELvgrfw

>>19685697
szs is incredibly tightly packed with shit like rapid fire

the amount of shit that goes over someones head it looks like theyre standing in a meteor shower or some shit

[Anonymous No.]

Which one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685690
Huh why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685730
pick the one you wouldnt be afraid to have your mom with you on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685730
I see むっつり go for that one

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685689
darker than black and hunter x hunter

[Anonymous No.]

今日は私は中学生を殺した！今日はよかった日！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685689
Boku Dake ga Inai Machi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685721
>szs
Yes. Take it like a man.
You just have to know the subject they talk about and don't bother about any cultural references or satire stuff they make if you do not know any. Understand what they said at face value and you cleared the first stage of listening and interpreting shit in your brain.

[Anonymous No.]

boku dake gay

[Anonymous No.]

Is スレ really how you say thread it’s not ツレ?

[Anonymous No.]

seriously if youre not japanese otaku szs is not the anime for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685771
スレッド, スレ for short.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685558

What if you are autistic and have to binge on almost everything because your parents never taught you delayed gratification. I will literally never even touch an anime until I know I can sit down for 2-3 days and watch ALL of it. Is this bad for my Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685786
I get it now. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685792
yeah it's bad for your japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685779
It doesn't matter if you are otaku or not. You may take the subject they talk about at face value without knowing the satirical stuff behind it. Learning moonspeak is what you do. If SZS is too much for you to take, there is always Katte ni Kaizo and Bakemonogatari. If you are into rakugo, you have moe girls in Joshiraku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685817
just dont do it guys im tellin you its like succubus

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685801
the kana is all about pronunciation. You spell shit in kana based on the sound you heard, not the actual English spellings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685835
And be moon illiterate for the rest of your life. Ok with me, buddy. I am not losing anything at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685730
Search Sei Yariman Gakuen Enko Nikki and Otomedori. New shit are trash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685852
no you can watch all the other shit but szs is a certified bad move

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685730
search cool devices and la blue girl

new shit are trash

[Anonymous No.]

>辛い
>幸い

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685865
No. You are just too coward to face the music.
There is nothing wrong with SZS. I don't recall any high level language is being used in it. If anything, ACCA and Bakemonogatari are even harder than mere SZS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685912
What's so hard differentiating tsurai, karai and saiwai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685912
not confusing at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685916
cowerd about what i watched the shit when it was fresh and had to explain all the jokes to english speaking friends and it wasnt a great time it truly left me *says the tagline*

[Anonymous No.]

Can べき mean something other than must/should? Friend of mine asked me the meaning of a pair of sentences from Kino no Tabi, but I can't wrap my head around them:
＞「死は、恐れるべき隣人」
＞「生は、怖れるべき肉親」
Anyone who could help?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685912
should have done rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685947
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw no 女性 will ever tell you お待たせ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685954
ebin

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685947
It can, but it means should in your example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685966
Any chance you could help with the meaning? Both the べき and 隣人/肉親 are throwing me off for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>19681518
this is great, nice to read in one sitting to refresh. thank you!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682044
rikaichan, ith, clipboard inserter addon, blank html sheet you can find on reddit search "vn guide texthook"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685987
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685987

[Anonymous No.]

I'm 8250 cards in in Anki and I still have to stop and look at the letter to differentiate 持つ and 待つ, it's still not automatic

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686021
the left side of 持 is a hand
the left side of 待 is part of 行

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685987
>!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686021
I sentence you to 3 months of intensive RTK studying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686028
>手 + 寺 = 持

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685938
I have said earlier, you don't need to understand the jokes entirely, you only need to understand the conversation that takes place, interpreting what they are saying and get the information. If you get the jokes, it's a plus point. If you don't, there is nothing wrong with it. You are in the learning process, being stupid is not a sin.
Also, your friends are brainlet. Tell them to listen to Sayonara Zetsubou Housou webradio instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19685977
Forget about the べき, it's not even doing much in that sentence. It's probably the metaphor that's tripping you up.
>>19686021
As long as it's automatic in context it's not really an issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686116
kanji typically do not have more than one semantically meaningful component

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686028
I can tell them apart easily, but when I run my eyes across a line, I sometimes have to "stop and look"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686116
why did the chinese shrink the big hand and make it a smaller hand with less horizontal strokes for other characters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686131
yeah that gets better over time as you read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686129
i mean thats not a hand

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686141
it is it just looks different

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686132
because they have bad hand writing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686132
Western languages took a cow's head, simplified it, rotated it 180 degrees, and finally ended up with the letter A over a similar period of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686174
but our letters never had a semantic meaning on their own did they

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686174
>simplified it
boy did they. maybe the chinese should have taken a hint.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686116
Not sure if you're trying to be funny or something, but in case you aren't: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_64

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686180
they did. for example at first it was just a head drawing meaning head, and that turned into meaning the first sound in the word head, and then the shape metamorphosed into all kinds of stuff until it reached its current form

[Anonymous No.]

「日本語は出来ない」で言った代わりに毎日みんなさまできるだけ日本語を勉強します！がんばります！私は信じてる！

[Anonymous No.]

攭

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686212
that's weird as fuck but also cool

[Anonymous No.]

sono kimochi when your reading material turns out to be crap but you don't want to drop it because you've invested so much time in it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686272
same

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686210
didnt know about this transformation. just assumed the other guy was saying nonsense
also
>才= 手

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686229
It's a little less weird when you realize you just described word mutation in terms of temperature and sex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686272
skw you've invested so much time into something and start to forget what was happening

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686272
バカやめてよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686285
no, it's still weird to me. sorry dude.

[Anonymous No.]

is it easier to get a bad minimum wage job if you know japanese in the US?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686304
Depends, is it at a Japanese place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686309
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686304
It's probably easier to end up with one, but unless you're in Hawaii or Guam it's probably not going to affect much at the minimum wage level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686285
女のシコシコは濡れるですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686304
Maybe if you live in an area with a large enough japanese population. But in that case they'd have hafus working there anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686304
It doesn’t hurt to try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683818
Forcing myself to read a VN with shit story and shit pacing because it has 2 okay characters and it seems like a shame not to finish their routes. It's really getting hard to continue though and I'm on the verge of dropping it.

>reading some usagi
Excellent taste, mi amigo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686360
What VN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686360
リライト?

[Anonymous No.]

Google翻訳は、将来的に完璧な翻訳になるでしょうか？それとも、私たちはこの絶対的なおかしな翻訳にこだわりましたか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686374
Chihaya and Akane are the only good routes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686272
youre prolly lookin for ano kimchi bro

>>19686406
whats your issueでございますか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686427
akane are the only good routes

chihaya sux so bad a bird shits on her in the anime that romeo wrote the screenplay for

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686406
Google翻訳はまあまあだけど易しそれで好きです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686459
That doesn't mean Romeo wrote that part. He doesn't have shit taste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686520
nope he wrote the show thats a romeo special right there along with many of the other choice moments that frankly owned really hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683818
Listened to ご注文はラジオですか？ at work all day. Probably nap, shower, then masturbate later. In Japanese of course.

[Anonymous No.]

what jlpt level is considered fluent japanese? n2? i doubt you could learn n1 in under 2 years unless you have a high iq jew brain

i am still at n4 after 2 years of years


the thing i like about misa sensei videos is they are long 20-40 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Vb9MJVous

i like these videos but they are too short. any long ones?

[Anonymous No.]

How long have you all been studying? What sort of things can you do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686571

2 years of study*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686571
Fluent in reading? Listening? Conversing? Which one do you want? You can be N1 and N2 and suck at these.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686582
About a full 2 weeks, pretty sure I'm ready to argue on DJT about learning methods and whatnow now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686571
just do ajatt you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686571
>still at n4 after 2 years of study
step your game up dude come on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686571
read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686571
If you can master N4 and N5, you can consider yourself fluent. Those two are the foundation for the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey all. I was told by /r/learnjapanese to avoid getting tips here because it's usually incorrect. But I see a lot of good advice on here in the op. Why would they say that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686622
To shill their way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686622
bring your strongest redditor to me ill give him a wedgie

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686622
>Hey all. I was told by /r/learnjapanese
no you weren't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686633
>he doesn't read the comments

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686622
Tell reddit to put up or shut up. They pit their most knowledgeable language learning representative (George) against ours (Matt).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686568
Why not before the shower?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686642
this already happened and george was nice enough to not just destroy matt and ruin his action like he should have

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686568
how does one masturbate in japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686021
待つ　I just imagine its a guy leaning on a temple
持つ is easy because of the hand..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686653
Matt and his buddy Patrick literally laughed out loud at George's Dragon Quest LP video because George didn't know kanji. Poor guy. He's nice but pretty incompetent. At least he's been trying to read novels this year to learn more kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686622

depend on no one. figure it out yourself

that has always been my philosophy with doing anything. when i do ask people for advice i just do it to see what their bullshit advice will be

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686660
robotic arm holding japanese fleshlight jacking you off while you play that god awful vr school girl shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686660
Just shout 行くas you're blowing your load or something.

[Anonymous No.]

How hard is it to read sayonara o oshiete?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686671
>>>/int/
Fucking moutbreather

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686672
いく or ゆく?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686667
george is fluent in nihongo tho so what if his kanji blows theres japanese people that blow at kanji too though its not really comparable literacy wise but its understandable

matt cant say the same because instead of getting fluent he was reading naurto in the toilet at lunch

[Anonymous No.]

I want to learn but have trouble actuality doing it. Someone yell at me to do it. Call me a mean name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686688
>can't read to save his life
>"fluent"
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686683
lmao i knew someone would clench their ass hole really tight and respond with some kind of aggression

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686660

watashi kiteiru i imagine

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686692
へんたい行けええ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686695
look i aint sayin you should buy georges book or do anything he says but hes better at japanese than matt

deal with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686685
Listen to any kind of Japanese porn with audio and find out!

[Anonymous No.]

Is Anki actually relevant?
It's like the 3rd time I'm going to restart the fucking deck because it got impossible to follow up since I procrastinated too much. I mean, I can follow it up if I try really hard, but I'd waste a LOT of time I don't even have (since I have to study for college too) and I feel I could be investing in, idk, reading.

That's how I learned English, reading and reading and without touching a single book for years before starting to study grammar more seriously, but I don't know if that's how it works to Japanese. I procrastinate in Anki because I find it so fucking tedious... Everyday is the same and after 1 week I basically forget all the fucking shit. All this thing already took a whole year and I couldn't even finish 50% of the deck, all I did until now was read Tae Kim's guide which I'll probably have to read again since I already forgot it all.

What do I do?

[Anonymous No.]

i mean george churns out people who speak broken sub n5 nihongo

matt churns out people who make 3 hour ajatt blogs entirely in english

objectively george is clearly doing a better job

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686717
Anki is not actually relevant. It's a tool like all else. You can learn purely from lists and youtube if you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686571
Are you studying full time or only partially? I took Japanese in College for a year and then paid for private lessons for year and lived in Japan for a couple of years, but never really dedicated myself all day, so I still sucked.
Then 6 weeks ago I went full time Ajatt/Anki and I feel like I did 6 months of progress at least. The harder you go the faster it snowballs your knowledge. I think the other real world stuff helped in different ways though. It's good to do a little of everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686724
This reminds me of that one black chick whose output and input both sucked despite having learned from George for years upon years. She only started getting good when she started taking Japanese courses at her Japanese university, basically forcing lots of input. She could have saved time if she had just asked based Matt how to improve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686652
I don't like to shower right before bed, can't sleep damp, but I'm an edger and always go late.

>>19686660
シコシコ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686742
im pretty sure a girl would take one look at matts manga wall and her girl parts would disintegrate leaving her unable to bear children

did she actually learn from george like 1 on 1 or did she just read the books cause thats not really the same thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686761
I forget exactly. I think she mentioned joining his website and speaking with him regularly on discord.

[Anonymous No.]

Do I do 50 kanji tomorrow to finish RTK or do I do 25 tomorrow and 25 the day after?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686790
Do 50 kanji right now and finish RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686797
I already did 30 today and I'm tired and my feet hurt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686779
geroges discord sounds gross

anyway i do agree matt could have regurgitated some useful advice to her

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this thread obsessed with RTK when the Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course is a far better system?

[Anonymous No.]

someone post the image for this noob

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686813
looking forward to watchin you catch a big one

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686813
KKLC uses too many synonyms and has stupid mnemonics (someone post the "by means of" one).

RTK has dumb mnemonics too but it has online communities which supply better ones, which you can't say for KKLC.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語は飽きないでも疲れった或いは眠い

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686843
kklc mnemonics are completely fine
and even if they're not, you can just make some up on your own. he even tells you to do this at the start, your own mnemonics will always be better than ones you just pick up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686843
RTK has been better integrated into apps and stuff too. The kanji order has been revised and fine tuned a few times also which is nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686873
>your own mnemonics will always be better than ones you just pick up
Very true. If you can attach more personal meanings to things they'll be unforgettable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686890
So that's why I can't forget DJT.

[Anonymous No.]

たいへんだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686740

no, i am self-taught

>realkana(one negative about learning hiragana this way is you won't be able to write it)
>kana invaders
>japaneseclass.jp
>memrise
>anki
>misa sensei

this is basically my japanese evolution from top to bottom

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686873
>your own mnemonics will always be better than ones you just pick up.
Often, but not always. It depends on how creative you are, and how well your idea for a component will integrate with upcoming kanji, which you won't know unless you read ahead. And there's a time trade off. It might take me 5 minutes to come up with my own image or story, but it might take 1-2 minutes just using someone else's and changing it to make it more personal. That's the difference between 1 hour and 2 or more hours. It adds up. I've used a lot of koohii stories (which I often modify to make more personal and memorable) and have a retention rate of 90% across new, young, and mature cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686938
私も独学です

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686938
Like I said I've learned over a whole semester of stuff the past month just going hard on my own too. There is nobody that will learn it for you, just go hard and learn that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

how long have you been "learning" nihongo and how much of this do you understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVO6L0PSEWU

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah I prefer heisig's ebin kazoo stories.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anything good to listen to for a beginner?

I commute 2 hours a day by car and I would really like to use the time to do some practice, but I'm nowhere near the level where I could listen to podcasts/etc. in Japanese.

I tried it with songs, but I can barely understand anything there yet either.

So far I've read through Tae Kim's once to get basic grammar down, about 500 words in on 2k Anki and I'm reading simple manga, but often need to look stuff up.

Any recommendations what I could listen to at my level?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686735
>youtube
What do you mean? What kind of videos can I watch to learn what I would on Anki?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcCdJilQGZw
Why are these things so popular? I searched learn japanese and got a ton of these. Can you really learn in your sleep?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687016
yes.
if you sleep 8 hours a day thats 365*8 = 2920 hours a year studying japanese. add a bit of study when you're awake and you can get fluent in a year. easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687016
>Can you really learn in your sleep?
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687028
>>19687030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2I0XG0J06E
Conflicting answers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687030
You can learn about yourself if you remember you dreams.

[Anonymous No.]

this sunday matt vs nuke first one to finish a season of terrace house wins
shit is going down

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687016

you can probably learn while trying to fall asleep but i doubt you can learn while sleeping because you brain is off

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686642
>Matt
*Jamal

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>>19686996
Something you already know so you can fill in the blanks when you run into parts you don't known. Maybe an audiobook version of something you've read in English or if you watched subtitled stuff rip the audio and just listen to that and try to piece it together.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687044
Terrace House Boys and Girls in the City is pure kino.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687069
>that one guy whose patreon has been shilled here recently and has 0 patrons*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687075
Imagine telling an english learner to watch jersey shore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686920
元気を出して

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687069
id prolly just be friends with geroge

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687101

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLINFE8v4DOhu_3LutLwJWetAhdcCrBF4X


downloading all these

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687088
Jersey Shore where the participants are generally confident individuals who are actually going somewhere in life, chasing their goals and with a panel of entertaining commentators to make fun of them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687122
えくぼせんせいはきれいです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687130
imagine being this fooled by bad telly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687122
You could watch all of them in a single day though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687143
>>19687143
better than the moe moe kyun garbage that people love swalloing in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687161
I only read shounen for adults tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687075
It goes very quickly downhill once Daiki leaves, and falls off a cliff after Yousuke goes. Everyone who enters the house after Daiki leaves is boring, and Yousuke was the last interesting one left since Tecchan got demoted to half a second of screentime per episode for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686996
Pimsler and download audio files of youtube teachers. Theres endless content for you there.
Get audio from your anime and listen to it when you get better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686976
1 year, 0%

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687075
>>19687171
Oh wait, you were talking about City, not Next Door. Nevermind. Haven't watched that one yet (and don't know if I will).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687171
>Yousuke
Oh, he died recently from a heart attack. That sucks. And I think I'm at the season where he's gonna leave so RIP I guess. It's a good show for listening practice so I'll keep going.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687161
here you go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToBAi7YBLNs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687184
It's better than new doors..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687184
Shit, I made the same mistake:
>>19687191
I'll be watching all that garbage too though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687191
>>Oh, he died recently from a heart attack.
What, really? Shit, I never knew that.

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>>19686843
>KKLC has stupid mnemonics
>RTK has dumb mnemonics

I tried RTK many times and always gave up. My best attempt I made it to around 700. I tried KKLC but there is so much information and the mnemonics are really bad. Now I'm doing the KKLC important vocab with no mnemonics and it is working great.

Mnemonics are a mneme.

[Anonymous No.]

馬鹿

[Anonymous No.]

>>19682186
more input is your answer. if you haven't heard the exact sentence your looking for, then don't say anything. don't try to modify any sentences you've heard either. it won't be understood without them straining to comprehend.

[Anonymous No.]

>三回忌
>SECOND anniversary of a death

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687174
>>19687074

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm gonna rip the audio from some practice youtube videos to get me started.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687439
What's the problem?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687449
Shouldn't the second anniversary be 二回忌? The first death anniversary is 一回忌, so why is the second 三回忌?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687423
Actually both work and it's a matter of personal preference, you might just be dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>19686996

misa sensei
ekubo sensei

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687458
cuz you mourn on the funeral?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687485
What difference does that make? The funeral shouldn't count as an anniversary of the death, surely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687527
About what you'd expect from somebody who posts anime girl reactions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687458
Second anniversary is on third year after death, you could learn that if you weren't retarded and googled your question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687527
I don't know which side is right in this situation, but some countries just count things differently. Like in some places the 1st floor is actually the 2nd floor, because the 1st is called the ground floor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687423
They only open the door to you forming memory connections, you still have to keep going back in till you can do instant recalls without needing the training wheel mememonics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19680722

What does /DJT/ think of Laoshu505000? This 7 Foot tall black man can speak almost 40 languages and has his own method. He just goes around recording videos of him talking to natives of everything from Macedonian to Hmong. I might look into his Japanese course and see if there is anything worth sharing with you guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4FCLkmUphc&t=480

:Trigger Warning: This video shows an alpha black man getting fresh with nipponese females. Sorry weebs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687547
Googled it and if I'm understanding correctly, they consider the event of the death itself to be the first 回忌 (which would mean 一回忌 is not actually an anniversary as the E-J dictionary suggests), then the second one (which is actually the first anniversary) for some reason is called 周忌 instead, so there's no 二回忌 (instead you get 一周忌) and it ends up seemingly jumping straight from 一回忌 (the event of the death) to 三回忌 (the second anniversary).

[Anonymous No.]

How does DJT manage to be so productive and cap out a thread daily?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687637
>can speak almost 40 languages
No he can't. He can barely speak 3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687637
>natives of everything from Macedonian to Hmong
How does he do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687640
Keep researching and you might eventually get it.

[Anonymous No.]

so i tried learning jap a few years ago with nama sensei which didn't, and now with tae kim, learning hiragana before katakana is much easier to me so i am making good progress
thanks for reading my blog

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687643
I don't get the people here who imply that you can't learn and also post here frequently every day. You just gotta pop in once every hour to throw in some random dumb post and then return back to your immersion. Or you can do immersion for hours upon hours and then post here at some other time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687660
Am I wrong? That's what the page I'm reading says.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687682
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687682
You ain't even reading it right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687708
You didn't know and are just shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687714
Go on then, enlighten me. Where am I going wrong here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687744
You lack fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.]

i lack everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687682
Pretty sure you are responding to a shitpost.

[Anonymous No.]

>sono kimochi when a person on twitter you follow posts ohayou and you want to get in on it but feel like you'll mess that up

[Anonymous No.]

no worries. just copy paste this

おはいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>using twitter

[Anonymous No.]

アニメとか漫画とか好きです
>and they say genki isn't useful

[Anonymous No.]

皆さまの念願は何ですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687928
生物学と日本の色々なところを知ることです

[Anonymous No.]

ばっかしゃないの sounds like a standalone word. is it or is it just too much anime?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687980
didn't mean to post picture

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687947
日本語に興味がありますか

[Anonymous No.]

So I know a enough Japanese to play Pokemon and read Dragon ball without much issue. Will Dragon Quest be an okay next step? This is just for a side for fun thing. I'm still studying normally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688007
geroge cant even read dq and you think you can??

know your place knave

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688015
>geroge cant even read dq and you think you can??
Watchu talkin bout William

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688000
いいえ、日本語にはぜんぜん興味がありません。日本のところを知りたいことだけです。できれば全部のところを観光したいです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688007
can confirm dragon quest 5 for ps2 is great for a beginner

ビアンカ best girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688031
i think it's supposed to be willis

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688054
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688043
わたしのエッチなところも観光したいですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688086
ううん、あなたが行けばいい

[Anonymous No.]

言語の勉強になっているのは、私が今の投稿でやっているのですか？

[Anonymous No.]

is studying in japan a good idea

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688078
she really gets off to that apple watching.

Bianca wasn't a slut.

[Anonymous No.]

i love ちん娘!

[Anonymous No.]

またがっかりされてしまった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688107
いいえ、inputは勉強になりますけどoutputは楽しいことだけです

[Anonymous No.]

彼女さえいなくて、子供の成長なんて考えてるわけにはいかねえよ

[Anonymous No.]

hi stoppu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688139
Succubus Prison

[Anonymous No.]

僕の強硬な陰茎を押すしている。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688139
>>19688140
I feel bad for instantly hearing her voice.

[Anonymous No.]

luckily i didnt get the ref

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688139
>>19682208

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688140
Should I be ashamed if I recognized it too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688159
わたしは笑えない

[Anonymous No.]

たまごかけご飯です

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688110
＜bianca wasnt a slut
She had 2 kids for crying out loud.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688195
Instead of arguing we can just agree Deborah is best.

[Anonymous No.]

they all look like dragonballz

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688159

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688201
lit who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688227
you never know the right thing to say random music video guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688242
Your not looking deep enough. Think about it, "Psychedeligood"

[Anonymous No.]

┐(‘～` )┌

[Anonymous No.]

>>19687980
馬鹿　じゃない　の？

[Anonymous No.]

ちんちん　is like baby dicks
ちんぽ　is like cartoon and symbolic dicks
陰茎「いんけい」 is like surgical term for dicks

how do you say regular dicks?

[Anonymous No.]

ペニス

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688286
ask mari sensei

[Anonymous No.]

chinko

[Anonymous No.]

mari sensei would prolly just show you hers

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688286
>いんけい
>shadow stalk
What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688286

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688308
good lord, somebody made this?

[Anonymous No.]

i mean theres so many people thinking about ochimpo right now across the globe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688316
got something to say to me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688308
ありがとう、これは見たかった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688321
We truly are connected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683623
I went to Japan in July and it inspired me to study more. I really miss cheap coffee in bottles and cans, also cheap conbini food that's actually good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688322
is there a reason for your curiosity about penis terminology?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19683752
what's an actual hard test to prove fluency then? Just living in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688333
i wouldnt know but shit like kanken gets thrown around a lot ┐(‘～` )┌

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688333
Chat programs. Go on a Japanese MMO or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688348
Jake please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688348
よく言った

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688354
seconding go make people angry on mmos gaijining up the place

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688333
I lived in japan when I could hardly speak anything. They all want to learn english so they would rather you speak english there anyways desu. It will be much more fun being fluent and going back though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688370
>DQX
>Say "Hello Everyone"
>Everyone runs away
>Says same thing in Japanese
>Gets replies
It's pretty funny desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688379
ill give you a new mission learn how to 連携する with the nice japanese people on the mmos fighting monsters and obtaining loot and such : )

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688333
Go to random Japanese chatrooms, or approach Japanese people in the wild and talk to them. Check Matt's patreon if you want to see the test in action.

[Anonymous No.]

alright djt how do i learn about all the e-celebs itt?
t.newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688402
dude just write matt a message and tlel him you wanna lick his little ochimpo

[Anonymous No.]

why i dont make videos in japanese

i have to write a script

i have to rehearse

i have to do a lot of takes

it takes all day when i could just be ajatting

et al

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688308
>meat stick
heh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688421
You haven't been reading enough eroge if this is the first time you've come across that word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19688426
i have seen love rode but not this one