DJT - Daily Japanese Thread

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This is a Japanese language learning thread for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.

If you have no interest in the above or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Guide & resources (start here):

https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
https://djtguide.neocities.org/ (legacy)

Previous thread: >>20299359

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In before a N*ke or M*tt post.

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Guys, I've been learning Japanese for over a year and I feel like I'm not doing enough despite having 8-10 hours of free time daily (plus whole weekends free).
Within the year I very quickly learned kana and went through RTK1+3. then I was really struggling with Tae Kim for a few months, but I finially finished it, then I was fucking around with vocab decks. In the most recent months I started reading Graded Readers (read 40 of them from Cornucopia) and some NHK news, plus tried a bit of manga (casual speech a hell). I also watched a couple hundred hours of raw Japanese (TV shows + anime).
Nowadays I go through my 2 Anki decks (1 for RTK, 1 for vocab [it's Core 2k with additional mined words]) which takes me around 60-80 minutes. Then I read Graded Readers (actually my last one, I'm gonna transfer to manga now) for 1 hour mining new words from it. Then I add 10 new words to my active deck for me to review. Then I watch 3-4 hours of anime. So that's 5-6 hours of doing something.

I don't know if I'm approching it in a way that couldn't be way better. I feel like maybe 4 hours max of watching raw anime may be a good number and I should put more emphasis on reading, because without vocab I won't simply understand nihongo by simply watching it...

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>>20310554
You haven't been learning japanese for over a year, only the several months you started reading.

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>>20310554
Manga isnt reading

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>>20310569
>>20310573
That's true, struggled with semantics in my post...

But Graded Readers looking like pic related is still way easier than manga, even though it looks like actual reading as opposed to manga...

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>>20310523
Are thread numbers no longer a thing?

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>>20310578
きんしんそうかんなん？

きんしんそうかんなんな

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>>20310523
Download what you can of the cor, the maintainer is deleting it soon.

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>>20310627
cor?

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>>20310640
cornucopia of resources
>>20310627
source?

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>optimized

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>>20310757
Don't do those decks.

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>>20310757
>not using the tango n5 n4 etc vocab deck

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>>20310927
This deck has been immensely helpful. I just wish I didn't do the "optimized" version because there's so much shit wrong with it. Way too late to turn back now though.

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>>20310933
you won't learn Japanese with your shitty decks you cuck

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kana -> listening and reading and grammar and vncore v2 -> listening and reading and mining

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honestly why waste your time learning kana, just start reading right away and eventually you'll know them

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Was refused a job involving Japanese. 自分の世はもう末だなって感じ。

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>>20311035
You're gonna be refused 90% of jobs that require any sort of skill. Welcome to the real world.

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>>20311056
Actually, the work would be a complete drag to do. それに貯金はまたまたあるのです。

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>>20310554
I would stick with reading books/VNs and cut down on anki. I noticed a lot more progress while reading my first VN than I did when I read my first few dozen volumes of manga, which felt like I was getting nowhere.

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>>20311129
Most VNs drag on boring crap way too long. Personally, I would stick with anime and cool sites like yahoo知恵袋。

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>>20311129
>>20311146
When one gets a handle on anime, is it better to tackle VN's or LN's first? Or do they tend to be at the same level of complexity?

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>>20311209
Whichever you find compelling. It must be interesting and fun.

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>>20311209
>When one gets a handle on anime, is it better to tackle VN's or LN's first?
VNs / LNs come before anime. The only way that you "have a handle on" anime is if you are advanced or fluent, because it's a lot harder to understand things in real-time aurally than it is to read things.

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>>20311228
Completely with you on that, but I can find compelling content in both "mediums".

But just as anime is recommended before diving into regular novels i'm just curious where LN's and VN's would rank on the difficulty-scale.

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>>20311242
bro is there anything you want to read
then read it
if not
then dont

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>>20311242
>But just as anime is recommended before diving into regular novels
I have not ever seen this happen in my several years of studying. Anime is never a recommendation, especially because everyone already watches it. Anime is a poor way to learn and it's certainly not a precondition for novels.

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>>20311242
I'm sure I don't have to tell you that the difficulty can vary very drastically. But hardest LNs should be below hardest VNs, cuz they're pretty much teen-oriented.

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LNs aren't really easier wrt to prose than contemporary novels for adults

you can skip all that gay shit

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>Pretty much all children TV shows were subbed instead of dubbed when I was a kid
>Be near fluent despite never having had English in school
>These days nearly all kid shows are dubbed
>Sharp drop in English proficiency in my country.
It's almost like they didn't watch 10000 hours of English shows.

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Anyone know a good place to find text/script dumps from video games?

Would be golden for ease of looking things up quickly while playing, can only find scattered scripts.

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>>20310578
is this more difficult than manga, guys?

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>>20311369
Maybe I don't give a shit about ノルウェイの森 and just want to read shitty isekai?

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>>20311382
>subbed children shows
What shithole are you from?

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>>20311382
Mine weren't even subbed.

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>>20311412
Cmon, join the 村上 hypetrain

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>Krashen uses LingQ for Mandarin
Even the head honcho of language acquisition theory uses LWT/LingQ-type programs.

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グラボたりないっぽい

だめだー

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超絶的なテクニックがあるからといって必ずしもより明確に音楽を表現することができるわけではない

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What's it say on his ganmen?

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>>20311798
>ganmen

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>>20311798
those bangs lmao

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It would be extremely painful

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>>20311817
文句あるこら！

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>>20310554
>>20310578
if you can handle that you're ready for an ln or vn
more varied vocabulary use might scare you but get out of your comfort zone
try some that look interesting until you find one you can slowly work through and understand 75% or more of and you are motivated to continue
expect some challenge you will get much more comfortable after a few days in the deep end
personally i only went through a few manga but after yotsuba was easy i wasnt happy with the slow rate of improvement
i think focusing on building vocabulary before committing so many hours to raw anime is a good choice but my listening ability is shit so no advice there
the push for early listening to internalize what japanese sounds like seems to me to ignore that most of us learning japanese have already listened to hundreds or thousands of hours of subbed anime

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>>20311900
BAKA MITAI

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Are there any good websites for raw manga since mangamura went down?

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https://www.bookoff.co.jp/

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Sup guys!
After years of putting it aside, because fuck life, I finally decided to dive into Japanese as it has been a dream of mine for more than a decade.

So I started researching the internet ony my own what books to use etc. I have the book part down for the most part I think.
I also stumbled upon Japanesepod101 in my research and I have the opportunity to get a one year membership for 70% off.
Has anyone experience with that site and can recommend it? By the looks of it they have a massive amount of content, but it's the lesson/teaching structure + lack of grammar I am worried about.
Also are there any apps you might recommend aside from Anki?

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>>20312048
read the guide you baka gaki

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>>20312048
Brace for at least four different approaches and the fighting that will ensue.

If anything, read the guide, perhaps check some of the archived djt-threads and then go with what seems to make the most sense to you.

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>>20312048
It's good. Try the free trial first if you can and grab everything especially dialog mp3s and pdfs. Don't make it your main source of study though. It might be slower than intensive textbook study.

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more like brace for no one givin a flyin fuck except american software engineers guy

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>>20310554
> really struggling with Tae Kim for a few months

Which implies you were trying to memorize it, rather than just using it for reference. There's the problem. Drop anki, or at least limit it to 15 minutes a day. Spend more time with compelling content, using whatever tools you like to make it comprehensible. Watching raw anime isn't going to do much good (it'll do some) if you don't understand anything. Read the Japanese transcript with yomichan while watching or before. Or watch once raw, then check the transcript and watch again.

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>>20312069
I looked into it but couldn't find an answer to any of my questions.

>>20312098
>Brace for at least four different approaches
Hm, that could be a good thing, no? If you have several options to choose from, just pick the one that suits your personal learning style the most. At least that's how I see it. Whether that style is effective or not is an entirely different story though.
>and the fighting that will ensue.
Do you mean the cat fights? There seem to be mostly female presenters, which I honestly don't mind and most of them seemed sympathetic to me. So at least I wouldn't get bored or fed up with them after a while.
>If anything, read the guide
Will definitely do. I used to casually browse DJT threads on /a/ years ago, but it has grown since then into its own thing with the two guides. Mad respect to the people who put all the effort and time into making and maintaining them.
I'm just a little sad that DJT threads aren't allowed on /a/ anymore and I recently found out that 4chan was split wtf?!
>and then go with what seems to make the most sense to you.
I think that's my biggest problem right now. I'm motivated as hell but somewhat at a loss how to organise and structure the whole thing. I just want to get started right from the very beginning. I do speak several languages already and the academic approach of tackling a new language is usually very structured and organised. There is a general red line to follow and in which order to make one step after another, so you gradually build upon the previously learned material.
Everywhere I looked on the internet regarding Japanese and I read and watched dozens of hours of these "how to learn Japanese" guides it always boils down to:
>learn your Anki decks
>learn your Kanji
>bruteforce for 3+ years
>congratulations, you are now Japanese!
It does not work that way. At least that's what I like to think based on my previous life experience. I haven't found a single guide yet with a natural progression, it's always random shit and all over the place. Which makes everything unnecessarily more difficult and frustrating. Sorry for rambling away.

>>20312103
>Don't make it your main source of study though
I definitely won't. For books I intend to get
Genki I
Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar by Seiichi Makino
Remembering the Kanji by James W. Heisig
Minna no Nihongo
Please tell me if I should add anything else.

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yea definitely not reading any of that 69 decides what i read next

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>>20312282
Here's a video you should listen to on the efficacy of the academic approach on tackling the japanese language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5t37q1neC4

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>>20312322
Given the contentious nature of this particular eceleb I would suggest instead watching any of Krashen's talks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBuQ61lSIBI

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matt sux his japanese his trash there is literally no content anywhere on the internet of him using japanese and not seeming like a retard

his information parroted from others is good because the information itself is good

highly recommend watching any of teh dollehs vids instead

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>>20309836
>If you read enough the material itself retests you often enough that you don't need flashcards.
lol

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imagine thinking you need to memorize tons of words you almost never encounter as if thats whats going to make you learn them

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What does テンミョン mean? From context, I believe it has to do with mood, but can't make out what it actually is.

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Who here fellow subs2srs masterrace?

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>>20312397
isn't it some really fucked up テンション

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more like subs2aids

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>>20312282
The natural progression of grammar points is hard to learn from because you learn them in fragmentary defective forms improving them to what they actually mean step by step interlaced with one another and it's slightly different for everyone.

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>>20312416
Shit, you're right. ありがとう。

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>>20312406
Quite cluttered imo, I would stick to one new element per card and ditch the english translation of the whole sentence on the back.

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why not just embed the entire episode onto the card for even more epic efficiency

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>>20312438
u mean liek this?

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>>20312435
the cards are organized in a way translations are not shown but by click only as last resort.

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>>20312479
no see my plan is to get people to embed the actual video onto flashcards and then just watch more anime without them realizing cause they think theyre doing 20 minute flashcards : )

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>>20312484
stop watching trash.

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>>20312484
the color-coding seems like an additional cue to your memory which might not be desired
why highlight the words with definitions anyway
isnt the point to understand the sentence and not to recall translations of those words

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who remembers when they thought bleach might actually be cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFNQhmDLjTk

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>>20312554
good times those

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>haven't seen a single bleach episode
Did I miss out on my seishun?

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What's the difference between 怖くなる and 怖くはなる?

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>>20312585
depends post what you were actually watching during your seisyun

also i wouldnt wish anyone to grow up on bleach thats not healthy for a growing boy

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>>20312543
i never had problems with it. its just a shortcut to unknown vocab. sometimes i just listen to the audio and read only the the unknown word in this way.

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>>20312048
Jpod101 is good for absolute beginners just keep in mind it’s for getting your feet wet/ introduction to concepts. Don’t try to “learn” from it, the Japanese is too contrived plus as a beginner every time you learn 1 thing it’ll make you wonder 10 more questions and Japanese pod 101 isn’t designed to answer those other questions (if it bothers you just pause the podcast and try to formulate the question into google)
I agree it shouldn’t be a primary resource but if you are excited about doing it then you should do it, affective filtering is no joke. But yeah it’d be good to listen to while driving, running, working etc, just when you’re doing other stuff and can’t afford a lot of attention elsewhere.
Also I heard their newer stuff is designed really well and they got an actual language teacher to help make the lessons, just google something like Japanese pod 101 recommended path.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/a0jon0/jlpt_retrospective_youre_going_to_be_awesome/

wow I guess the jlpt doesnt matter after all

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fellow anki drones, did you do your reps today?

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>>20312595
iirc は can be added like that for emphasis

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>>20312406
Why the sudden deutsch in the middle?

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>>20312653
>Not gonna lie this seems more to confirm the inefficacy of University Japanese Language programs than it does the JLPT to be honest

Glad that was the top comment. It’s no mystery that Japanese university courses are a meme; getting a PhD in that is like some sort of inverted iq test.
Man, I feel bad about how mistakenly self assured he is w

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>>20312406
I miss turning anything I watch into batches of 48kbit dialog.

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if i just turn all the dialogue into flashcards i wont lose anything and retain it all

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>>20312681
iam hitler

>>20312698
just do it. feels great. i wanted to power trough one episode a week but that was just too much

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hitler ftw

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>抉る
2 nukes weren't enough

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>>20312752

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>>20312756
>汝

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katakana onomatopeia words are gay, sound retarded and there's way too many

prove me wrong

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>>20312777
you dont know japanese your argument is invalid

LOL

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oh my god

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now play the motha fuckin theme song https://vocaroo.com/i/s1XiDGLYtzE6

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>>20312777
not a very ペラペラ外人 now are we

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>>20312730
I binge-watched a 10/12 episode jdorama so I don't know what you mean by too much. I'm on linux now and what I miss is extracting the dialog audio via sub2srs and putting it back together again.

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jdorama lmao

also mugi ftw

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btw if you were wondering the f in ftw is führer

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>仮面ライダー
>Masked Rider
Literally how? 仮面 here is a noun. Masked rider would be something along the lines of 仮面をしたライダー. The correct translation should be ``Mask Rider'', short for ``Mask-wearing Rider''.

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>>20312894
you're assuming that ライダー works the same way as "rider", it doesn't

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>>20312894
>``Mask Rider'', short for ``Mask-wearing Rider''.
Please stop desecrating English. It hurts.

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Post words other than 売買 where 買 is read as ばい. I don't think I've ever seen one

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>byebye
lol

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>>20312655
not yet, but I will.

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>>20312898
What are you on about, you muppet? ライダー is literally the same as ``rider''. It means the same thing, it is a noun, etc.

>>20312902
Shut up you dumb ESL bitch. That's exactly why we are in this situation to begin with.

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>>20312906
買収

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>>20312914
16 months, you must be pretty good at japanese now

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>>20312915
"Masked" is equivalent to "Mask-wearing". Is the joke that you're the dumb ESL bitch?

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>>20312920
thanks

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when will he learn abot compounds

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>>20312930
That's the long name, 仮面をしたライダー. 仮面ライダー is literally objectively undisputedly ``Mask Rider''.
>Is the joke that you're the dumb ESL bitch?
Who? You? NOT I would like to see you say all the stuff you said to my face, your just a young guy who doesn't know shit but talks like he does know everything, Iam is a well connected , respected and accomplished man , your just a spec of dust with a loud mouth, no one respects people like you you sound like your about 5'7" and maybe 90lbs and you probably still live at your mom's milking her bank account cause a useless fuck, that's why you talk shit over the net , it's what's called small man syndrome acting like your 10ft tall, I'm 39yrs of age 5'10" 185lbs I have 6yrs of street fighting for the purpose of drug wars and some jujitsu, my profession is I'm a trucker so if you want to get down that's not a problem but it will be for you, for you in fact are the keyboard commando, and quit tongue darting your own ass nobody gives a fuck so shut your little fucking mouth punk bitch mother fucker, if your smart you would not be talking the way you do but your stupid that's why you talk like your God guess what son your a waste of time, and a smart person would know not to fuck with a biker or one that's well connected your seriously a full fucking retard

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>>20312924
勿論。
Truthfully, it has been useful for vocabulary and kanji recognition. I'm supplementing it with other things, though. Anki is just a way of ensuring that I actually do at least some study every day.

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>>20312915
pretty sure you're the esl here. or just extremely autistic and irrelevant.

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>>20312906
購買
read more

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>>20312894
translation is less about communicating the grammatical structure and more about sharing the feeling as much as the translator can manage
no one would say "mask rider" in english
someone might say "masked rider" in english
and so "masked rider" is a better choice

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>>20312944
hint: compound nouns do not literally always work the same in English and Japanese. this is one of the rare cases where they don't

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>>20312894
>>20312902
>>20312915
>>20312930
>>20312944

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>>20312971
posts 2 and 4 are from different people

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>>20312968
>>20312970
Are you two as dumb as that other clown? Do you even know a lick of Japanese? Do you even know what a ``compound noun'' is? Are you twelve?

NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH

仮面ライダー DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN JAPANESE EITHER. WHOOP DE FUCKING DOO.

NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH

Stop butchering the beautiful Japanese language with you inane translations.

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>>20312988
English isn't Japanese. By the way you're having a psychotic breakdown, see a trustworthy mental health professional immediately, you might have had a stroke or been drugged.

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Has anyone used this? https://bilingualmanga.com/

It seems cool but I'm expecting there to be some kind of catch like after I've read a chapter it tries to charge or some shit.

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>>20311679
someone tell this prominent scientist that jamal and his cock sucker fanboy know better. krashen doesn't need to use tools like lingq to learn languages.

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>>20312988
>仮面ライダー DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN JAPANESE EITHER.
im sorry that you dont know japanese
>Stop butchering the beautiful Japanese language with you inane translations.
but i agree with this

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>>20312992
the catch is media translations are terrible for learning

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>>20312992
What the hell is going on with the typesetting?

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Anyone else here have posts from haters and doubters bookmarked to prove them wrong later?

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>>20312962
How long have you been learning japanese

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>>20313014
It's fucked, basically. You can copy paste though which is nice.

>>20313005
I'm trying to figure out what people are saying, translating it myself and then checking my answers, basically. I think that's kind of okay? Or should I be doing something differently?

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>>20313016
anon said they would save my post and respond to it in a year so im on the other side of that one

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>>20312991
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

YOU
FUCKING
NIGGER

Justice is on my side. I shall strike down all phony translators and expose their evilness for the world to see.　俺が裁く

>>20313002
Confirmed for not knowing Japanese. Fuck off this thread, cunt.

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>>20312396
you don't. you need to memorize words you encounter a lot while reading. but encountering them a lot while reading is less effective than anki (know this from personal experience).

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>>20313022
just consume and correctness will come via sheer volume, correcting yourself won't help anyways unless it's impacting your understanding of the broader strokes and you already suspect that you have something specific wrong

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>>20312484
>ichi.moe
So you can click that link on any card and it will automatically link you to the ichi page with that sentence deconstructed? That's neat.

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>>20313029
lmao what have i been missing in the past little while

either way you cant say that word

>>20313037
look i know through personal experience too that you lose the things you dont use and yeah you can do a few flashcards for a few things and its not a big deal but personally id rather just watch more anime

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>>20312653
>There are people out there who have studied ridiculous amounts--lived in Japan for years, Yokohama program, specific test guides--who do not pass the test. And on the contrary, there are people who have studied for one year haphazardly who have passed N2. The test taking conditions are terrible (at least in Chicago, where I took N2, twice). The anxiety levels are through the roof. The cost of the test--from preparation to transportation to the test fee--rivals that of lawyers and advanced medical workers.
jesus christ just immerse for like 1 or 2 years and then bam you'll pass n2 and then n1 respectively. it's not that hard.

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>>20313029
btw since you seem to be a scholarly gentleman rate my translation

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>>20313045
I'm not quite there yet, I think. My grammar isn't good enough so I only kind of understand what even yotsuba is saying.

I appreciate the advice but I'll probably stick with this for now till I finish tae kim.

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>>20313061
You will be very successful with your peers, the zoomer neo-4chan (4channel) subhumans.

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>>20313064
once syntax stops being a problem it's probably going to be a good idea to stop looking at existing translations

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>>20313077
I'll bear that in mind and definitely follow your advice when that time comes.

Thanks anon!

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i didnt ask for a fortune telling i wanted a tl rating fuckface

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>>20313056
i agree that immersion is absolutely essential and needs to be done far more than anki and that anki should be limited i'm just saying that anki really really helps me retain words even when i see or hear them a few times.

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turns out things that make you retain information do in fact make you retain information

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but thats not the same thing as learning and making connections which is still the heart of the issue

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>>20313081
Alright, first of all fuck you. Just fuck you. You have no idea what the fuck your talking about yet you come to this board and start shitting your faggotry every fucking which way until you've shitted up the entire board. You want to pretend to know Japanese? Fine, whatever, but it's fucking pointless and immature as fuck to just shit up this board further because you don't understand something. Well guess what you high and mighty faggot? Your a fucking asshole and everybody hates you. Your little 'games' are nothing more than pathetic cries for help. Your nothing but a nobody, an insignificant spec of dust in the universe. It's a fucking reality check you cunt. You think people care about your opinion? No, fuck you. Nobody gives a shit about you and your shitty opinions. You may think you've achieved something by contaminating this place with your filth but really all you have achieved is your own sad loss of dignity. Go on, fuck this board over more. Shit in my mothers mouth if you want. Shit in every posters mothers' mouth if you want. We don't give a fuck because at the end of the day you're the fucking moron wasting his time and energy destroying a decent community. Just keep your chin up high and ejaculate your words all over every fucking bit of decency we have left. I'm sure you'll go to bed with a big stupid fucking grin on your ugly, lonely face. But when you've kicked the bucket and you're rotting in your grave, I'll be the one to piss all over your tombstone you sadistic cunt.

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>>20313112
didnt read yet just laughnig my fuckin ass off will read now tho and post again to likely say lmfao

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that might be one of my favorite yous of all time god bless good sir

lmfao

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>>20313117
>>20313127
>doesnt recognize it as copypasta
I guess because it fits you so well, huh?

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>>20313112
Unironically this.

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no i definitely recognized it at the first fuck you

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>>20313048
i still remember the feeling i had when i figured this out man...

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so are you gonna rate the tl or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313154
why did you consistently translate … to ・・

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313213
i didnt

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313215
thats true you also dropped it sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>20312894
nice shatpost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313243
what do you expect from 適当な男 junji takada

[Anonymous No.]

I always hear people badmouth Tae Kim and say it teaches some stuff wrong, what examples are there of that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313266
leave your ・ out of english

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313295
you dont make it easy for me to do that you know

[Anonymous No.]

After reading how many novels did you become "fluent" in reading novels? My first novel was a bitch to read, now on my third novel I feel sort of comfortable even though the difficulty of the book is higher, but yet I still rely heavily on looking up words. I feel like withing the next three books I could read them without too much pain, but to just breeze through a book without a dictionary, I reckon it's going to take 20 if not 50 novels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313308
10 through to completion, 50 halfway. Then I created a patreon and suckered kids into supporting me by feeding them bullshit about meditation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313303
i dont know whats the problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313327
i like the big dot

size matters it always matters

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313330
you mean you dont use a font where … dots are as big as ・
too much space between those dots be more responsible with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313325
A person shouldn't force himself. VNs are shit and edible only by hardcore weaboos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313340
those lil periods are also all over the floor instead of properly elevated

[Anonymous No.]

is there a point in getting a degree in Japanese? If I wanted to become a teacher for a year per say would I need degree in that shit or will the JLPT do fine and a teachers degree?

[Anonymous No.]

if you have to ask theres prolly no point for you

[Anonymous No.]

>I don't know
would of worked instead of pretending you knew what your were talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313351
comes back to the font doesnt it

[Anonymous No.]

・＿・

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313356
what exactly is your question and why are you unable to google?
d

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313492
how do you get that backwards b

[Anonymous No.]

Friendly reminder anki is shit, kanji damage is the best way to learn kanji and if you stay in /djt/ you'll never learn japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

friendly reminder わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313382
who are you quoting

[Anonymous No.]

how do we get **** to remove the random italics in his articles?

[Anonymous No.]

who and what now

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder to set your Interval Modifier to 150%

[Anonymous No.]

anything new from 黒人天才 recently?

[Anonymous No.]

Well, I said that I was going to play KOF some every Saturday. Well, I didn't get back until today at Sunday, so I figured I was just play then. And it was cool, I was able to play some people I play as usual. Nothing out of the ordinary, ya' know? However, today I noticed that a certain player was on today. He is one of the better players in the United States. He may not be top level, but he is one step below that. I never manage to really beat hm, so I really wanted to challenge him to some games. Well, today I faced him....and he beat my tale just like he always has. I wasn't even able to get a game in. We played a lot of matches. So, after our games, I ask him "What am I doing wrong?". And he tells me numerous specific things of my play. However, there was one thing that really stuck out to me that he told me. He tells me, "You are only as good as the people you fight against. Your play style works against people at your level. But with someone who is better than you, you lose." He then tells me that in order to get to the "next level" at fighting games, you have to face good players offline. This means TRAVEL. The said reality for most players is that most people just simply don't have the time nor resources to do such a thing. Because of this, most people never leave intermediate purgatory. I know that I am not able to just travel all the time to these tournaments. Online is all I have available to me. And for the goals that I had with fighting games, online just isn't adequate. So, I have to ask myself, what am I playing for? If I am doomed in being at intermediate, why should I not direct my attention into something more productive? It just doesn't make sense. This is a realization that I have come to. I may play every now and then, but Japanese is going to be my main focus right now. It just feels so bad to have wasted so much time. But that is okay, I will move on. Sorry if this was not entirely related to Japanese, but this is going to effect my Japanese in a positive way hopefully.

[Anonymous No.]

Can you anons recommend me any good movies with a strong Japanese atmosphere?

I get high at night and enjoy watching movies that make me feel foreign. So far I've enjoyed Lost in Translation even though I thought the ending was shitty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313763
shogun assassin

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313763
Maybe some actual, you know, Japanese movies? The live action ちはやふる and 俺物語!! are pretty good.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/aAVPDYhW_nw

was M*tt right all along?

[Anonymous No.]

you only have to meditate if youre the kinda boy thats gonna eat in the toilet

think like https://streamable.com/d4prq

[Anonymous No.]

what did meditation do to you

[Anonymous No.]

There are a lot of studies that show that meditation, like exercise, has a lot of benefits. Just don't do it thinking it's some sort of magic spell for fluency. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/feeling-it/201309/20-scientific-reasons-start-meditating-today

[Anonymous No.]

nothing actually i just guess i always pictured myself as always in a frame of mind where im living life but in that meditate state they talk about so i dont really understand why people do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20311382
>>20311679
>>20312282
>>20312585
Who the fuck are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20313726
khatz is dead
but reborn as jamal

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314070
what is this? wikipedia?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314090
he was talkin about the guy that goes by that handle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfAKhrkREo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314090
No need to compare khatz to a random shitposter that will hopefully soon be IP banned for ruining these threads on a consistent basis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314101
imagine being this mad

[Anonymous No.]

Uhh just go for walks? Has similar effects to meditation + it’s a cheat way to get your required 30 min of daily exercise (you have to walk for way longer though like 1.5 hours)

[Anonymous No.]

How is zankoku na tensi no teeze not japan's anthem?

[Anonymous No.]

because its a theme song from a cartoon

[Anonymous No.]

it would be like making this your anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LLb8EBU9nQ

[Anonymous No.]

japans anthem is komm susser tod not teeze

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314194
I'd unironically be ok with this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20312585
Bleach was the definition of style over substance. You didn't miss anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20310554
>>20311129
>>20312992
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314094
Your /a/ is showing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314435
Your age is showing.

[Anonymous No.]

yalls aids is showing

[Anonymous No.]

Krashen quoting Kaufmann:

"Don’t deliberately memorize words. Slows you down. Just read and listen a lot. Words will eventually stick. Same as your first language."


https://twitter.com/skrashen/status/1065112727184531456

[Anonymous No.]

ggz flashtards if wont listen to me maybe youll listen to epic krashen

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to text hook koichoco to no avail. Chiitrans Lite (nothing appears) and VNR (failed to synchronize) both failed. Any ideas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314810
krashmen's retarded and kaufmann has free time
i don't have 20 years to reach high schooler tier language competence i want to know a shit ton of words as fast as possible by spending a little extra time every day on flashtarding

[Anonymous No.]

but you dont know them you just memorized them

lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314855
you're right but that's why i also read
"but you could've spent that 20 minutes reading more instead" that may be but it feels like it helps me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314863
and i do think theres plenty of words that are pretty harmless in memorizing with flashcards and not needing a lot of familiarity in japanese to know

mostly nouns

the more deliberate you get with your flashcards and the less random hodgepodge of all kinds of shit the more effective they are

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314872
there's 2 scenarios where i make a flashcard:
>new word that contains a kanji i don't recognize/reading i don't recognize
>obscure word that i know i won't remember no matter what if i don't make a flashcard like 芍薬

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314872
Flash cards are excellent for sets of related things

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314863
>that may be
lol nah, no chance in hell would that be as effective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314845
I ended up having to use ITHVNR with a h-code to hook and use Chiitrans Lite to parse. I still can't do it just by using Chiitrans Lite though, it gives me an error when I try to use the h-code.

[Anonymous No.]

so if ている can mean something in that state, like in this example
木が倒れている。

A tree has fallen down (and is lying there).

why wouldn't they just use the past tense.

for example if someone saysお前、もう 死んでいる wouldn't that be interpreted as the already died, hence the もう? how would you say someone is currently dying? I guess its just a context thing. And what would be the difference if they said 木が倒れている。vs 木が倒れていた。Ive made good progress studying for about 6 months and I can read vns with good understanding but this one grammar point bugs me.
.

[Anonymous No.]

youre already dead vs youre already died

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315011
I don't know Japanese but this is how I feel it:
"A tree, having fallen, is there." vs "A tree fell."

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315011
>木が倒れていた。
"A tree, having fallen, was there."

[Anonymous No.]

look at how fuckin stupid enligh actually is

[Anonymous No.]

yeah it really makes you appreciate the beauty and simplicity of nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

Day 22

[Anonymous No.]

ワタシが日本に住む理由
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DNzGngqwYc

[Anonymous No.]

>>20310627
Matt has a copy of the relevant resources, ask him in the Patreon Discord. You should already be using it any way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315171
why must you post bait on this nice thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>20310627
he would never do that without warning. would he?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315189
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315200
>Patreon discord
>Implying we should support an AJAAT cultist

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315211
What is that supposed to mean, are you seriously not a member?

[Anonymous No.]

how many referrals do i need for them to mail me a jug to piss in

[Anonymous No.]

>>20312805
I found subs2srs to work pretty good with Wine. I'd check it out.

[Anonymous No.]

is there a good place to watch japanese movies?
i want to watch ナイトメア　オブ　クリスマス

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315315
I want to watch 中出し

[Anonymous No.]

映画館

[Anonymous No.]

why is /int/'s djt so much better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315190
they don't even own almost any of the links lol

[Anonymous No.]

JLPT soon... how you all doing

[Anonymous No.]

I'll never take it ever so I'm doing OK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315381
Jamal prefers /jp/ for some reason. Ask him.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

なんかフランスじん

たいほされた

[Anonymous No.]

Oh no I relapsed into pulling up the translated manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>20311435
I can tell from my experience that in late 90-s and earoy 00-s in Croatia dubbing was not the norm and that was a good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315697
reminder to leave le epin baits to /b/

[Anonymous No.]

are VNs generally some kind of dating simulators? I'd like to play something with plot that's different than that, are there VNs that are closer to Western adventure games like Broken Sword?
something like Detective Conan maybe...?

[Anonymous No.]

It takes a "very long time" to learn Japanese, got it, kinda figured. But how long would you anons say until you can at least use it a bit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315863
I could use it "a bit" ever since I learned kana so since day 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314549
Being a newfag from /a/ is nothing to brag about, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20312992
>https://bilingualmanga.com/
holy shit I can select the text, good stuff.
Any other sites with separated text like that?

Shame there's only eight titles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315881
Was saved by my boys here that convinced me that mining Tae Kim was bullshit and was only to be used as reference together with stuff like DoJG while actually immersing. Faring much better now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315881
fuck Team Dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316299
>I know the words, I regonize the moonrunes, I understand the grammar but it all feel blurred/fogged.
It'll get better with time, anon. Trust your brain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316461
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1543321821456.webm
2/2

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316091
That's nice but manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316450
Easy shit, try reading some LNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316549
Novels are Novels, so they aren't reading either, I see.

Well, I'm off to do a session of reading some reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>come back to DJT after a few months
>it still sucks
>and now the thread number is gone too for no reason
nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316511
>muh difficulty
Autists have no business learning languages or partaking in any creative, lateral pursuits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316549
Sad that there'll be young little anons buying this bullshit. Oh well, fuck them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316701
If you think you can learn anything without leaving your comfort zone you're in for a nasty surprise.

[Anonymous No.]

Friendly reminder Stephen Krashen credits his literacy to reading comic books as a child

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316916
Speak for yourself Anon, I have read all of Yotsuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw dying to read goblin slayer on kindle
>tfw only epub is in archive
>tfw epub doesnt transfer properly into mobi (furigana gets attached next to word)
>tfw epub to azw3 leaves furigana as it should be but makes the e-dictionary not select the words properly anymore
>tfw iam at a point where i want to buy from amazonjp
>tfw dont have credit card - its the only pay option for gaijin

why is DJT live such cruel suffering even when you want to embrace it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317117
Lmao what a fucking fraud, I had already read the entirety of the Harry Potter series by the time I was 8. I should just go ahead and start my own polyglot language learning scam business and not have to work for the rest of my life if it's that easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317287
This is why I got a tablet instead of a Kindle

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316450
who are you quoting

>>20317410
manga isnt reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317421
Your life isn't living

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317585
No, he is a person.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317738
can't you just read it normally

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317761
he needs to justify his terrible purchase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317585
He's a genuine polyglot. His method is simple, logical, and compatible with the input hypothesis. Lingq is nothing you couldn't do on your own with some audio files, transcripts, and yomichan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317783
>>20317777
>>20317771

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317815
what are u reading and what did u read in the past

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317888
Itazuraneko is garbage, use the original guide's cornucopia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317901
yeah I meant both of those sites

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317908
If you can't find it there you probably won't find it anywhere else, at least publically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20315881
the real dekinai are those that think these are mutually exclusive

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317931
why in the fuck won't those fucking nips share those 3 MB files

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318012
A good sized book scan is more like 40 MB.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20314845
Have you tried textractor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317815
恋と選挙とチョコレート
played hanahira and read a bunch of nhk easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318018
Pretty sure people's preferred learning method evolves as they themselves learn more, and they just forget that they benefited from alternative methods before settling on their current one.
So then they tell beginners that their current method is the one and only way to do it, even though probably not a single person advocating for that has done that 1 method from beginner to fluency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318036
>>20317895

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318040
are you the guy who insists that genki is why people get fluent

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318018
Don't waste time thanking us. Just pick up a book head to the nearest bathroom stall and get to work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317956
imagine watching kaufmann for long enough to realize that kaufmann says to read and re-read grammar books before you call kaufmann and krashen based

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318066
Huh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXbr4jOs_H8

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317815
>but all these words I've never seen keep adding up and I don't seem to be able to remember any (that I don't mine). I've only been able to do 150 lines in ~20 minutes
Wait a second...I thought seeing a word repeated dozens of times in a text as a beginner would instill it in your brain just as effectively as seeing it a few times, mining it, and reviewing it in anki?

Did DJT make a mistake and assume that because reading and listening teaches them words effectively as intermediates, that all beginners will have that benefit as well? That's not possible. These guys know everything. Their reasonable intuition can't empirically be false.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318083
in one of his overview videos he says read grammar books and later go back to reread them
he doesnt endorse drilling grammar but he supports reading about it

[Anonymous No.]

First start your foray into learning Japanese by watching 20,000 hours of english dubbed anime to get used to the cultural and social underpinnings of the language. Then, get ready for 10,000-40,000 hours of english subbed anime to fluency

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318023
what about PDFs/mobi files that are widely sold on Amazon jp

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318093
if only hed been doing anki for the last twenty minutes instead of reading he would have mastered all of the new words in the text that he cant understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318125
top kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318125
100% this, I watched 50,000 hours of english dubbed anime to prepare myself for the wackiness of Japan and now I'm an expert at eating jelly filled donuts with chopsticks and speaking fluent nippongs. Before that my simple gaijin brain just went into overload every time I tried to read Yotsubato.

[Anonymous No.]

When I click on links in the LN library on the guide website, it just takes me back to the home page. Any way to fix this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318152
But I don't want to do anki thus I have to make a strawman about other people thinking it will solve everything!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318151
Works fine for me. Maybe try using a different browser or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318151
go back to eddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318152
Which is faster, reviewing a flashcard or hovering the pointer over a forgotten word? Reading will show the most common few hundred words more often than Anki will. The key is that with either Anki or a popup dictionary it can't be done mindlessly, you have to consciously pay attention to the card or the popup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318182
is reddit filtered now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318179
I can get to that page but when I try clicking the title of the work it doesn't do anything, and if I click the epub/html it redirects me to the main page. Which is odd because I didn't have this problem before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318193
Again, works fine. It's just you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318193
Try the legacy site

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318083
wow this dude seems to understand how to learn a language lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318212
>>20318221
>>20318225
Ahh, I see. I'll just stick to the legacy site then, thank you

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318190
>Reading will show the most common few hundred words more often than Anki wil
I already know most of those though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318152
not arguing that anki is useless but
>As of now there's not even anything to refine. In his words he's not remembering anything he doesn't mine.
this level of delusion is something else

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318254
>I'm pretty much overwhelmed with new vocab, grammar-wise I'm doing okay but all these words I've never seen keep adding up and I don't seem to be able to remember any (that I don't mine).
Fuck off dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318237
Don't call it "legacy". That makes it sound outdated when it actually works better than the "new" site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318260
would it have been more clear if i only quoted the claim and not the anecdote used to support it
because i was not arguing an anecdote

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318280
It'd be more clear if you fucked off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318250
If you think Anki is helpful then go ahead and use it. Just beware that it's a potential tarpit and that memorizing words is not acquiring the language. If you can use it in moderation to build a foundation for acquisition then that's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318284
ill be direct for you
the idea that there is nothing to refine if you have not actively committed to studying it via any method is ridiculous
the feeling that nothing is sticking is either because the input is not compelling or because its only been twenty minutes a day for a few days and the progress isnt easy to see yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318295
That's pretty much why I'm thinking that my current reading material is too hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318304
>the idea that there is nothing to refine if you have not actively committed to studying it via any method is ridiculous
idk if you're trying to make some point about how extensive reading will slowly burn words into your brain and that you shouldn't expect to remember them in one day or something but it's actually completely irrelevant to what i said.
>because the input is not compelling
wow what an insight. he should just read something he finds more interesting. but wait, what if he's already trying to read something that's the most compelling but it's not compelling enough? no solution then huh? god you're so brilliant!
>or because its only been twenty minutes a day
nah he's reading more than that. anki is what should be limited to 20 minutes if you find it too boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318320
>something he finds more interesting
compelling = interesting + comprehensible
comprehensible is more likely the issue and there is always comprehensible input somewhere
if nothing is interesting yeah there is no solution you cant learn a language you cant enjoy while you learn it
>anki is what should be limited to 20 minutes
good call

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/Gv2YO2pDhi0?t=4657

george dissing our girl cure dolly wtf?

[Anonymous No.]

When did this thread become more about ecelebs than the Japanese language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318414
functionally illiterate
no reason to take him seriously

[Anonymous No.]

frick off m*tt

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318414
Weird, I thought Geroge Pedoley would be the one person to like cure dolly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318414
1:25:24 says the content is solid but the delivery is awful which is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318414
lmao normie filter in full effect

[Anonymous No.]

20 bucks says gorge is jamal

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318462
20 buck say you a stupid motha fucka

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318469
confirmed

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318151
if you mean the download links you have to edit the url
if you mean the titles themselves that should take you to in-browser reading yeah no idea
the itazuraneko site's owner is a paranoid dumbass who thinks that obscuring links he doesn't own is going to protect them or something

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318471
ヽ(‘～` )ノ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318419
When the split happened. Before we were a perfect mix of dunning krugers and braindead retards, now /int/ is 100% braindead retards and /jp/ is 100% dunning krugers, which causes both threads' general quality to go to shit since there's no one here to make stupid questions, albeit actually related to Japanese, and no one there who's any good at the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318414
He's completely right on it
If curedolly stopped being fucking inept and remade their content they'd have 100x the subscribers

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318414
wow jorge very perceptive that cure dolly is not a japanese dude

shes a android

and my girlfriend

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318317
You don't need to understand 100% of the material at 100% comprehension and you don't need to commit every word you come across to memory. If you understand enough to follow and enjoy what you're reading and you're picking up some new words that enough, you can just keep doing that.

[Anonymous No.]

no way normie filter is really important so us nihongo elites can maintain our place at the top of the totem pole and also so the scrubbit tier trash can be trampled by our feet

[Anonymous No.]

>>20310937
>>20310757
>>20310927
>I just wish I didn't do the "optimized" version because there's so much shit wrong with it.
W-What is wrong with it? I just recently installed Anki and started using the optimized one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318509
Speak for yourself. As the nihongo master, gatekeeping has absolutely no effect on my position at all. I'm comfortable sitting in my chrysanthemum throne while you scrubs entertain me with your futile quarrels.

[Anonymous No.]

your throne is made or porcelain not flowers

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318317
what are you reading that's so hard? if it's vocabulary just look it up while you're reading and understand the sentence then move on. if it's grammar just keep reading and you'll run into the same pattern and figure out what it means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318500
doubtful
there are multiple persons who do the same like her, explaining grammar points
only some of them stand out, since they have a trademark
the avatar and voice is her trademark
do you see anybody talking about how good her content is? no, people only talk about it because of the voice

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318616
what are you talking about everyone says the content is good

[Anonymous No.]

i think because dollys content is more interesting if youre already pretty familiar with japanese and its prolly actually terrible for the first timer

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318616
>do you see anybody talking about how good her content is?
yea

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't she say that adjectives don't exist or something

[Anonymous No.]

just skim through the book making sense of japanese if you want to learn about japanese in english. it'll tell you the same shit that dolly does but isn't as painful (except for the romaji)

[Anonymous No.]

should prolly not say reckless things like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318652
forbidden intermediate knowledge

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318658
what kind of scrub thinks dolly chan sensei is painful

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318658
Tae Kim is free, has plenty of examples, uses real kanji, and is more than good enough to get started with native material. Maybe watch Dolly's videos after six months to get an alternate view and clarify a few things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318685
yea this. the clarity she provides doesn't really matter for making input comprehensible for a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318652
she said conjugations dont exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318652
>>20318713
Based

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318679
i think his explanations are great and awesome but his voice changer is messed up

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318737
she got excited talking about 助動詞 and you can see where shes coming from

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318749
It's still stupid and misleading for beginners.

[Anonymous No.]

its not stupid or misleading watch the video for the reasoning

dolly chan sensei ftw

[Anonymous No.]

dolly chan for the nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

God, "reading" manga is so much fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Cute scribbles but still reading janai

[Anonymous No.]

as they say in にほんご
リーディングじゃない

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318802
Is it reading yet?

[Anonymous No.]

maybe if you believe it really really hard it could be
but only in your heart

[Anonymous No.]

Any good offline dictionaries for android?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318823
isnt that just a name and とはよっぽど?

[Anonymous No.]

download anki with 10k core and use the browse function as a dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318823
ノー
ノット・リーディング

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318841
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318527
>>20310937
>>20310757
>>20310927
please respond

[Anonymous No.]

how close are you to finishing your core 40k so you can finally enjoy novels on a native level

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318855
you wanna get whacked with some real nihongo?

[Anonymous No.]

god this thread reeks of shit

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like fixing the thread would be very easy so I wonder what vision the mods have for DJT, and why.

[Anonymous No.]

Why's Japanese Youtube always so full of absolute dogshit? No compelling content anywhere to be seen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319014
They don't care for it at all and will ignore it as long as the OP isn't an absolute shitpost that only spoils /jp/'s frontpage. Then if they feel like it they'll intervene, usually by banning who made the thread or deleting the OP image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319031
I find the culinary videos very interesting. But well, just don't use the trending tab. It's pretty much reserved exclusively for garbage youtubers who appeal to the lowest common denominator and, in Japan's case, korean music videos. Sometimes there's also some weird shit that's there for god knows why, probably because someone paid youtube a lot of money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319031
regular youtube is full of the same kind of crap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318616
She has like 2k subs and some of her youtube videos have <1000 views
People know she exist because of the voice
People don't listen to her videos because of the voice

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any relatively easy way to put hiragana/katakana only words into the kanjidamage deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>those results
Man Japanese students sure are dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I going at this the wrong way?
>Read sentence in Japanese
>Look up meaning for each word
>Eventually remembers a word now and then
Should I also be using flashcards? Or continue as I am? I am also using Tae Kim's grammar guide and using Genki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319140
What's the source for this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319159
https://www.sankei.com/life/news/171128/lif1711280007-n1.html

Go to town bitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319165
Maybe there were some weird circumstances. They didn't disclose where they sampled from. They could be getting people from an all korean school, you never know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319149
Add "repeat sentence from memory" after step 2. If you can't recall a whole sentence go a clause at a time. Add "repeatedly listen" if you're reading something that has matching audio. If anki will give you a sense of progress then go ahead but limit it to 20 minutes a day max.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319199
>but limit it to 20 minutes a day max
Not him, but why that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318741
This. I just tried checking one of these videos out, and this fucking gimmick is so distracting. Not only the voice changing, the twitching 3D model, but the awful inconsistent accent really makes it hard to focus on what he is saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319140
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319222
That's because you don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319215
That's why you read the subtitles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319207
Anki will take over your life if you let it and listening and reading is where the real acquisition happens. I guess if someone has all day to work on Japanese they could bump this up to 40 min.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319188
>They could be getting people from an all korean school
Yeah, surely that's what happened and not people being generally dumb as a brick.

>>20319207
Not him but it's because anki should always be a side tool. It's very easy to get trapped on it and end up spending most of your study time on anki when it should be used as an auxiliary tool and nothing more and never the main dish. 20 min is probably just some random shit he said, you can do 30 or whatever if you want, what is important to keep in mind is not to get fooled by anki.

This is all my own opinion mind you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319222
in the first sentence the shogunate order the daimyou to protect the coast
in the second sentence the daimyou order the shogunate to protect the coast

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319235
>>20319239
Huh, that explains a lot.
So basically just sit down, read some manga/ln and hope what I look up sticks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319258
did you read the post?
manga isnt reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319258
By all means do anki if you want. Just keep in mind what I said is all. Personally I like it, it's just important to know its place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319239
Sorry, it's just not very believeable that that many native speakers would get a question of that level of grammar wrong, especially in a highly developed country. There's definitely something going on there, they even mentioned that poorer students got more questions wrong which means they were going for shitty schools on purpose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319268
>There's definitely something going on there
Yes there is. People are dumb is what's going on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319239
Yeah 20 minutes is a random number meaning "not very much."

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319239
So what you're saying is if someone were to have 2 hours a day allotted to studying and use 1.5 of it with Anki it's a waste of time yeah?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319273
I know very well how dumb people can be, I frequented a public school, I'm just saying those numbers look suspicious.

[Anonymous No.]

>Got N1
Studied as a hobby for a couple years but uh what can I actually do with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319284
make a post on /r/learnjapanese about your stupid fucking journey

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319258
Manga is great when you can read without needing to look up too many words, before that it's better to read something where you can look up the words with yomichan. The idea is you want your dictionary use to be quick and painless so that it's faster to look up words you forget than it is to cram them with flashcards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319284
Brag about it on r/learnjapanese
Show how friends how special you are for learning the wackiest language in the world
Try to get a shitty underpaid job as a translator

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319264
>did you read the post?
Actually...
I guess it's not grammatically challenging enough or what?
>>20319288
I normally use KanjiTomo to look up words in (ero) manga. Is there something wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319287
>I finally did it! (self.learnjapanese) goldx5
>After a long hard journey I finally did it Reddit I got the N1 and I'd just like to say never give up and keep at it. This part will talk about irrelevant nonsense and jokes and upvotes and joking about becoming an English teacher.
>edit: OMG my highest upvoted post is me getting the N1? Haha good on you /r/learnjapanese
>edit2: Arigatou redditors! thanks for the kind gold! :DD

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319300
Nothing wrong with that so long as lookups are fast and reasonably accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

Any of you watch Disney movies in Japanese? it surprisingly is very helpful.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you think of material that is compelling but the comprehension is low?

[Anonymous No.]

やるきをだすやるきは

どうやってだしたらいいの

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319317
how can something be compelling with low comprehension?

you're reading porn aren't you

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319284
define a couple years

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319300
Ignore the "manga isn't reading" meme. It's just nonsense drooled out by some no-life loser with nothing better to do than sit here and auto-respond to every mention of manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319330
Japanews24

[Anonymous No.]

I hear Pokemon Let's Go Clefairy is pretty good for practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20310523
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/aozora/audio.html

Does anyone know of any other sites with audio/text similar to the texts on the above op site page? Preferably modern stories

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319347
Japanews suck. It's a cycle of a few news being regurgitated along the day. From the sheer numer of times that they're repeated you'd think you'd be able to comprehend them eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319326
手を机に鎖でつないだら？それで10,000時間分のアニメを見たら？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319363
アニメきらいにならない？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319363
おはようgoogleさん

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319300
you sound like youll make it
the best case is a sentence where something about it is new to you but from context + the parts you understood you can easily guess what it means
your guess being off is okay because you will need to encounter it multiple times anyway
if you have to look up one thing and then it all falls into place that is second best
if you have to do more work than that to figure it out its not doing much for your language skill but it might give you context for other lines
see stephen krashen if youre interested otherwise just keep on

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319357
Its still a solid half hour of listening a day. Its compelling but my comprension is low which is why I asked

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319365
飽きるはずはないだろ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319377
I see, thanks.
Anything you especially recommend from that guy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319374
ん？何か間違ったのかな？やっぱ怪しいの、anonさん？

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any good lookup setup for reading lightnovels on my phone?
I have like 20 minutes of transit time that I can use to learn, but I'd like to do something fun during that time. I thought about reading some light novels, but looking up things by copying them into akebi seems bothersome. Is there any quicker way?

[Anonymous No.]

とうきょうで

じしんだって

けっこうゆれたみたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319409
いつの話？東京に住んでるんだけどなにも感じられない

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319363
This is what you get when you have a skewed study to input ratio

[Anonymous No.]

How helpful is listening to music?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319386
the shortest overview of his view im aware of is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTsduRreug
his books and papers are on his site
there are newer longer videos with higher quality on youtube that have a little more depth than that one
what i wrote is my take on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319414
さっき

はちじさんじゅうろっぷんだって

[Anonymous No.]

Im reading G線上の魔王 and they randomly dont use common kanji, using hirigana instead. Why do writers do this it makes it harder to read. Is it just some edition I have?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319427
Not very. It might help you remember individual words slightly more easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319431
へーそうなんだ。弱いやつかな

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319414
>>20319431
あたしまちがった

２７にちってかいてある

きのうだった

めんごめんご

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319428
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319406
just buy basic kindle

they're like 30 bucks on ebay

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318843
Sorry mate, you'll just have to bit the sour manko and make it a lesson. I just got done with my 1,7k backlog the other day, never again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319433
>it makes it harder to read
it doesnt make it harder to read for natives who knew most of those words before they could read them
it just gives a different feel to write something a different way
that feeling can be interpreted in different ways in different situations

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319453
Does kindle have a lookup function or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319482
yes

they come with a bunch of dictionaries including jp>en

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319222
Congratulations you're just as good as 30% of native highschoolers :^)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319480
yeah I just noticed it switched from school setting to crime it went back to normal

[Anonymous No.]

Day 23

[Anonymous No.]

>>20317410
That's nice but manga isn't reading pal.
>>20318789
>>20319258
see above

>>20319344
It's not a meme.

[Anonymous No.]

listen buddy we can discuss what a meme is but thats a topic suited for the daily english thread and that time has not yet begun

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a KanjiTomo like app for android? Feels like there should be, but I'm not finding anything.
There's a billion photo to text apps but none that just let you read stuff from images on the fly.
I'm basically looking for something like http://ocrmangareaderforandroid.sourceforge.net/ but without the manga reader part.
Just an overlay.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit. I’ve always hated the Japanese passive tense and could never form a sentence without an embarrassing amount of 考えるbut on this, my third explicit attempt to comprehend it better, I watched the curedolly video on it and I can already 感じる it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319427
idk you tell me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qdxfJIz4E

[Anonymous No.]

>>20310523
is AJATT a meme?

[Anonymous No.]

not really but if you ajatt and are retarded then youre still fucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319803
Please, we've already talked about this. Try making some original bait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319735
I understood like 90% of this. What the fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

Question. Is there anything I can use to help translate lines off Japanese games? Like Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.]

nuke when are you gonna take the jcat again haha

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319913

Google translate? Take a picture and get the kanji translated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319913
https://legendsoflocalization.com/wanderbar/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319945
Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.]

Don’t deliberately memorize words. Slows you down. Just read and listen a lot. Words will eventually stick. Same as your first language. Hyper-polyglot Steve Kaufman, Posted on Twitter, Oct 8, 2017

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319965
The habit I want to get rid of is to stop translating what I read back to English. Any tips? Or will that just go away eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319968
Read more and it will go away.

[Anonymous No.]

>Or will that just go away eventually.
yep

[Anonymous No.]

one person described it to me as they got sick of doing the extra mental gymnastics and just found it easier to take the japanese as it is lmao

[Anonymous No.]

So basically being a lazy fuck is beneficial in this case. I can only do that for certain words myself. Might be because I talked to my grandparents in Japanese a lot. (Moved to Canada when young)

[Anonymous No.]

anyone else here a complete newbie illiterate but give advice to others anyway just because? i feel sorta like an edgy badass.

[Anonymous No.]

i wasnt aware anyone here needed advice from you

have you not realized the remaining posters of djt all know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319989
I would say yes since that seems to be 90% of the people who post on DJT.

[Anonymous No.]

except this guy >>20319998 he doesnt know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Better than /r/LearnJapanese since people here are faggots rather than elitist assholes because they can read Yotsuba with a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318880
you speak in riddles. could I have a proper answer, please? what is wrong with the "optimized" deck?

[Anonymous No.]

RATTATA is so effective that the only guy who used to shill it is gone bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>Aunt is Japanese
>Ask her to translate some sentence you got PM'd on Reddit
>"I want to bend you over and fuck you against the peanut butter doughnut chicken farm"
Still looks at me funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320017
Just use it or drop it and mine one yourself, it doesn't fucking matter. The guy is whining because he doesn't like the word order.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320021
>Aunt is Japanese
how the eff

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320030
Brother married Japanese lady. Not rocket science anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320017
word order is bad and there's some words in there that aren't that common in the type of media you'll consume, but all in all it does its job and it's not a huge thing to worry about. finish it if you feel comfortable with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320021
Fake, in reality she would just look at it with a confused face and say it's 日本語上手ですね

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320034
wait his sister in law is his aunt wtf...?

[Anonymous No.]

My friend is telling me he reached N2 in 6 months. How the fuck? Is that even possible?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320042
Is that not what it is? Wife of your brother becomes your Aunt in law.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320049

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320046
That's entirely possible, unless you friend is as much of a noob as you. Then he's probably lying so he can troll you for epic lulz when you fail N3 3 years in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20319945
Wtf anon, this seems exactly what I was looking for, thank you so much for sharing. How is this not recommended more often?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320034
Is your brother an incel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320060
ive linked and endorsed legends of localization guy before

hes fairly ftw

[Anonymous No.]

holy fucking shit if any of the last 15 or so posts were yours off yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320070
man you always insult my posts. why don't you lay off and try to be nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320058
Yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>All these people doing direct replies
Stop

[Anonymous No.]

@20320081
What the fuck are you going to do about it you triple [redacted]

[Anonymous No.]

I've noticed people complaining about direct replies before here. What's wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320078
Get the fuck out and go learn english you little shit. I don't want any dirty third worlders tainting my nihongo thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320087
It's just ***** sperging out again, feel free to ignore him.

[Anonymous No.]

honestly im fine with people direct replying its an easy way to spot the shinzans

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320109
i need to be clear what if some poor djt poster was confused

[Anonymous No.]

I just deleted Anki and now learning Japanese is fun again!
Remember, you can't learn Japanese without having fun.

[Anonymous No.]

pipe down scrubs

[Anonymous No.]

how does it make you feel that the collective conscious known as anki knows more japanese than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320122
I can always just start mining again whenever I feel like it. Losing my current deck isn't much of a loss.
I did it for a year so it's probably time to drop it anyway. And doing it every day was starting to make me hate it so I decided to drop it before it caused me to drop Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

how does it make you feel that the collective conscious known as wikipedia could win more trivia games than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320046
Probably possible but more than likely he's self-assessed like >>20320055

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320122
Steve Kaufmann, Tae Kim, Kato Lomb and that's just the well known ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320129
that post was in jest enjoy your nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320135
Watch how you talk around me, scrub. I have a lot more nihongo prowess than you have.

[Anonymous No.]

imagine being the last one here with jamal

[Anonymous No.]

the last one here will be chilling listening to that song knowing nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

i'm gonna say it

[Anonymous No.]

i dont think gotenks is cool and i never did

[Anonymous No.]

im gonna say it

[Anonymous No.]

わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320118
What methods are you using now?

[Anonymous No.]

What's the worst book for learning Japanese? I have a friend who tries to correct my Japanese a lot when he doesn't have a clue about what he's talking about. Two examples: he told me I pronounced "Osaka" wrong then claimed the correct was was to say it really fast; he tried arguing with me that "ohayou/ohayou gozaimasu" was not what the Japanese say for "good morning" and kept telling me it meant something completely different. I got him for secret santa and want to get something for learning Japanese that will piss him off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320259
>What's the worst book for learning Japanese?
俺の日記です

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320259
I am leaning towards Japanese for Dummies, but Japanese phrases for Dummies might be funnier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320261
have to agree that handing someone a book titled "(thing you're interested in) for dummies" is a severe own

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320260
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320259
You should stop being his friend so he has to live his life as a lonely loser and learn to never be a faggot ever again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320273
I'm not really friends with him, he's sort of friends with others in my group. I'm happy I got him for secret santa though because I'm sick of his shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320278
Then tell his friends to stop being his friend.

[Anonymous No.]

nice ppl learn nihongo meanies cant prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320280
we need someone to make fun of

[Anonymous No.]

dont play fago

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320300
i've invested too much money into the game to not play it duh

[Anonymous No.]

dont whale fago

[Anonymous No.]

>ないじゃない
>ないじゃないか
>じゃないじゃない
i wish these guys could quit it with the double and triple negatives

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320471
I don't see the triple negative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320479
i'm feeling triple negative after trying to figure this shit out, that's where it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>20316636
>>20316648
>>20316701
>>20317287
>>20319149
>>20320021
Who the fuck are you quoting? It seems you can take /djt/ out of the hood (/a/), but you can't take the /a/ out of /djt/.

[Anonymous No.]

sure does seem that way it would be a shame if that bothered you

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320487
epic retarded lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320471
じゃないのだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320504
bafed and redfilled

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320521
i just wish that any fucking guide had all of these confusing combinations listed in one place so i could easily refer back to it

[Anonymous No.]

every time i start to think i understand this language i come across a gigantic block of text that i just don't understand at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>20318066
He says he personally has an interest in grammar but he still isn't motivated to actually study it, the most he does is reads a page while waiting for a shit to slip out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320252
Reading + listening.

[Anonymous No.]

I tried to play a kids game and honestly it was still pretty difficult. Since there are so few kanji its difficult to tell where words end and begin. I don't see what I'm supposed to read if even this was too much.

[Anonymous No.]

妹にいっぱい出した
気持ちよかった。妹は可愛すぎ

[Anonymous No.]

キモ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320760
cant escape real japanese being a shock
you have to build up your ability to guess word boundaries over time
even kids who can only read kana have been hearing these words their entire life
i never used kana-only material but i dont think its making your life easier
trying shit cant hurt just spend 30 minutes a day trying something new and the rest of your reading time on whatever has worked best so far until you have a variety of choices
before you know it youll need to get out of your new comfort zone and find things that are harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320760
yeah "kanji actually makes things easier to read" is a hard pill for beginners to swallow, i was there once myself and everyone goes through it.
that having been said the thing that helped me was actually something i learned reading an interview with shigesato itoi (earthbound creator) where he explains the reason the game is all kana is because he wanted to replicate the feeling of playing dragon quest on nes. he was sick, so he read every sentence out loud which made it easier for him to understand them. if you're having trouble, i recommend reading stuff out loud.

[Anonymous No.]

So I got all the resources, but I don't know where to start. I've nailed down Katakana and Hiragana, should I immediately starting grinding Kanji or learn grammar first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320504
>>20320507
>>20320514
Stop samefagging and acting retarded. It's embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320895
do vncore or core2k with anki and read through sakubi
install ithvnr and play eroge or install yomichan and read lns

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/UQI2QucDT8M
Eyebrows took the J-CAT after six months of "learning". He didn't score 400 like Anon did, so he's got a long ways to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320969
so what useless bullshit does he do when hes not reading and listening

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320895
You should do both at the same time.
Learn a kanji and a word that's written with it, repeat. You should also learn how to make basic sentences.
After you got a bit of vocabulary under your belt so you don't have look up everything, start augmenting vocabulary learning with reading or listening or playing video games or whatever that forces you to use the language.
If you don't understand something look it up, it will be really slow using a new language at the start but it will get better very fast when you are a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

ふざけてんの = you think this is a joke?

right?

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck is that first character?

I thought I knew she by memorizing and learning all the hiraganas, now I'm getting dicked.

[Anonymous No.]

バカなの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321054
I giggled

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321054
Learn katakana バカ

[Anonymous No.]

I THOUGHT I WAS READY TO PLAY UNDERTALE IN JAPANESE.

FUCK THIS SHIT IM OUT.

>>20321057
>>20321070
Please don't respond to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321057
>>20321070
>>20321073

never reply to me ever again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321077
i hope your next text bubble goes more quickly

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321082
Not him but I'm slowly playing through wind waker with each text box taking 10-20 minutes and I know his pain

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321087
ten fucking minutes on a bubble how much of that do you think sticks

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321087
>>20321093

We are trying man I just don't want to read yotsuba& give us a break

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321097
if it motivates you go for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20320988
He's an officer in the US Navy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321102
Yeah a friend of mine told me that the characters most of the time use hiragana to talk, sometimes they use katakana and rarely drop a kanji here and there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321093
I've learned a couple of words like 神経質、借り、知識, how to write 島 and how to use -mon

[Anonymous No.]

>>20321097
Just read Yotsuba and be saved my man.

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>>20321077
Don't give up dude, it just started with the hardest words first.

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>>20321104
Kanji with furigana is easier to read than just plain hiragana tbqh.

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>>20320018
>>20320080
>>20321154

>RATTATA

what's that? care to explain?

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>>20321170
look it up stupid

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>>20321172

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>>20321154
>rate of mention is inversely proportional to efficacy
thats why i learn japanese with the goldlist method
its a little bit worse now though

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>>20321170
Read all the time and take amphetamines.
The second half is mostly a meme but yeah.

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>>20321176
literally to stupid to look something up
you're never gonna learn japanese

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>>20321176
for future reference you can always try searching your favorite /jp/ archive

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>>20321178
What do you use goldlist for?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_EQDtpYSNM

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>>20310627
unironically look at the guide site discord because the owner has recently backed up the CoR and posted about adding a big update to the itazuraneko djt.netlify backup page. it wouldn't make any sense for the owner to delete it after bothering to make a backup

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>>20321226
That's fucking terrible logic.
Just because you are forced to learn to speak a language as a kid to communicate it doesn't mean it's the most efficient way, especially when most people can't put themselves into a situation where they absolutely need a new language unless they don't know english already.
The only real way an english speaker can do that is to move to rural china or something.

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>>20321200
i was making a joke never tried it
ive only seen it associated with vocab

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>>20321257
It's not logic. It's empirical fact. Empirical fact transcends logic.

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>>20321257
>especially when most people can't put themselves into a situation where they absolutely need a new language
how much of a need to learn language do babies actually have
they dont yet know what theyre missing out on
they are just curious what the mouth noises mean after starting to notice some patterns
why do you think you need a need to learn the language
you just need a curiosity to understand some shit that is only available in japanese

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Where is the best place to buy Japanese manga in the US?

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３Ｄゲームやったら

よった

きもちわるい

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>>20321278
>>20321274
Interpreting empirical observations wrong is still wrong, he jumps to the conclusion that because babies learn to talk surrounded by the language naturally it must be the most efficient way to learn.

He completely ignores why we have linguistics and why adults can take advantage of understanding the language on mechanical level.

While grammar rules and vocabulary drills are methods to make this process faster, they're not something that can replace the process.

He suggests we throw the baby out with the bathwater by just ignoring all these helpful tools.

If you are fine learning a bit slower by doing what you like instead of using the learning tools, that's fine. Don't just say the tools are useless especially for people who are more analytical learners.

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If you wanna speak Japanese with Japanese just use Saito San. Enjoy getting hung up on tho if you have no tits

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could someone pls help me find a list of like 3000 most frequently used words in English but from Japanese perspective? i.e. with translations of said words

I don't want most frequent Jap words, but English ones...

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>>20321412
Why? You can't use those words the same way in Japanese as you can in English. Trust me, I looked them up before.

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>>20321412
Trying to speak your language in another language is the worst mistake you can make.

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>>20321346
you don't understand the science of language acquisition. stop pulling shit out of your ass as if you understand what you're talking about.

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あじゃっせー

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Is "Japanese for dummies" any good? I've read 2 chapters so far but only a couple of things are going in.

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>>20320026
>>20320037
thanks aniki (plural)

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>even anki doesn't allow me to open it anymore
guess it's time to start learning nihongo ftw

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>>20320913
getting a 33% is pretty embarrassing lol

>>20321757
now this sounds like some win

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>>20321757
>>even anki doesn't allow me to open it anymore
Why?

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>"小島麻由美さんのアガル音楽！"
What's アガル音楽? Why does あがる have like a million meanings?

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>>20321913
Don't know. Whenever I open my anki profile it loads and then immediately goes back to profile selection again

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>>20321314
kinokuniya... only about a dozen locations, not that great of a selection, not very good prices. Just use amazon japan.

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I have no idea how to understand 渋い when it's used to describe a person.

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>>20322048
The cool long-haired 生徒会長 who drinks tea and sits japanese-style.

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>>20321916
>アガル

こうふんする

のいみだとおもうよ

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gotta love that flyable shit

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>>20321321
>きもちわるい
i knew this was "bad feeling". i wasn't sure about きもち but it sounded vaguely familiar and i assumed the き referred to the 気 kanji so i inferred it was "feeling". i put two and two together and i figured it out!

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i just watched end of evangelion : )

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>>20322251
Hey calvin I'm a big fan

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>>20322228
This is either the most autistic thing I've ever seen or an extreme example of post-irony.

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>>20322266
dude its elementaro guy what do you expect

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>>20310523
How the fuck am i supposed to know if i use the onyomi or kunyomi?
Is there a usual quick and easy method, or is it just a "learn by how it feels" thing like gendered nouns in romance languages?

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>>20322372
It is not ultra important to learn that readings particularly, u can just read a lot of your favorite manga and watch anime and elementars. Like just enjoy learning process and play with language and on yomies. U can print readings and make a castle with them and then live here and you will get to used to it and it will be wonderful experience

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agreed ftw

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私はバカ外国人なので,日本語が下手です。

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わたしはゲイしていて、退屈

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>>20322525
黒人野郎, です

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So /jp/, it's now a full week I am trying to learn Japanese.
I decided to start from grammar before memorizing hiragana and katakana, it feels like I would get slowed down a lot otherwise.

For grammar reference I am using Tae Kim, what you think about it?
That aside, any beginner tips that would spare me common mistakes?

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Just getting started with Anki Core2k/6k.
What's a good layout for like, writing it down in a notebook?
I was thinking 3 columns but that seems a bit janky.
Kanji | Kana | Meaning

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writing it out is for gays

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>>20322532
You already started with the wrong foot, kid. Hell, you probably can't even understand the damn guide you're reading. I bet you've already so many "common mistakes" that at this point recovering would be pretty much impossible. Tell me, are you by chance one of those guys who think they can rush the acquisition process and get fluent in a language in less than 6 months? Fucking embarrassing. You're not a a sly little man, you're a tool, that's what you are. My tip is do yourself a favor and just give up right now before you hurt the Japanese learning community's image any further. Noob.

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>>20322533
あなたはバカ外国人です。死ねください。

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>>20322388
djt doesn't deserve you

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>>20322602

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>>20322372
USUALLY compound words with no okurigana use on readings, whereas words with only one kanji and okurigana use kun
But that's bull really, there's no actual rule so there's pretty much no point in learning individual kanji readings as you have to look up the reading for all words anyways

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>>20322602
>死ねください
*pukes*

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>>20322624
お前はもう死んでいる

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>>20322653
dont worry dude im sure hes gonna go haha no thats exactly what i meant it was a noob check haha

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>>20322653
please...die? did i translate this right?

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>>20322671
No. You suck.

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>>20322678
how do i improve?

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heres the bangin translation for the dudes noob check

"fuck off"ください

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>>20322653
How do it say it corretcly?

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私は死にたい ,だけど本気で

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>>20322680
I wasn't going to, but since you asked to earnestly, I feel like I have to reply seriously otherwise my nihongo pass will be revoked.
So, first things first, drop learning hiragana and katakana because it's basically the baby version of the language, and it's equivalent to learning how to read, write and speak from Tommy Pickles. Cut straight to kanji, with the fastest way of learning the basic 3000 that you need to read a simple children's book being to print them all out and copy them by hand (pro tip: tracing them saves some time). Once you've done that, you're probably ready to practice speaking, so just go outside and use all the kanji you learned over the last 2 years (as per the above) by narrating your life as best you can out loud. Film it and review it daily to monitor your sick moon gainz. Lastly, move to Japan and teach English.

Good luck, cunt.

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http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete/command#Command_Form

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学校、仕事に行きたくない

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>>20322573
>Hell, you probably can't even understand the damn guide you're reading
I am aware I am not actually correctly reading the Japanese sentences in the guide, but indeed for now I am studying only the grammar logic.
It isn't my intention to skip the proper readings and memorize hiragana, katakana and common kanjis, simply doing it as the second step because grammar looks like an easier start. Merely changing the order based on difficulty for me.
If you think I am not aware romaji is inaccurate, don't worry, I got that myself already.
I also plan to read again everything about grammar as the third step, but this time also focusing on actually reading the examples properly.

>I bet you've already so many "common mistakes" that at this point recovering would be pretty much impossible
I asked for the precise reason of knowing them, so care to give me some insight?

>Tell me, are you by chance one of those guys who think they can rush the acquisition process and get fluent in a language in less than 6 months?
Obviously not. Japanese is not my second language so I am aware of how long it can take.
It's 7 years and I am barely fluent in English.

All I did in this post is explaining my current method. I am open to suggestion for something more effective.

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>>20322532
>>20322573
Its ok if he starts with TK because the first thing in the guide is kana

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>>20322779
Yeah, I didn't skip those sections outright, that's how I know that I am not reading properly yet and romaji is inaccurate.

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>>20322766
tae kim is a waste of time and will fuck up your japanese by ingraining its misleading grammar, just start reading instead

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>>20322786
Romaji isn't inacccurate, where did you hear that?

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oh boy the eternal "grammar guides are bad for you no matter what" dekinai is back

you don't know japanese and you never will, stop shitposting

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stop posting

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i will never stop posting

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TK is fine as a way to jump start comprehension. Just don't do something moronic like memorize every example sentence.

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i think what hes saying is dont read tay tay just watch teh dolleh ftw

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jamal do you really not recognize the "misleading grammar" autist

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>>20322797
if you memorize misleading grammar explanations indiscriminately before you can understand why they're wrong, they're going to stick with you and be very hard to fix. This is why people can speak a language fluently and still make simple grammar mistakes. You see it all the time.

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youre all the same to me

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behold, the face of dekinai: >>/jp/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22misleading+grammar%22

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>>20322786
I was half joking, he was right when he said you're on the wrong foot. The time spent learning kana is a drop in the ocean compared to what you are about to spend learning grammar. And of course I don't expect that you would learn literally all the grammar before kana, but it can be hard to decide when to stop grammar to learn kana. So that being said 50 times each in a notebook get to it

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>>20322818
most of these aren't even mine, i stopped posting for months only to come back and find you've all taken on my usage of particular vocabulary. Probably because you're upset that I pointed out how you've needlessly crippled your own Japanese with shitty grammar resources

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it's funny because you failed to learn japanese so out of bitterness you're manipulating beginners

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>>20322794
I think TK somewhere says that romaji is only a guide for English people to give a general idea of how the sound of the character is like, and shouldn't be used to properly read them.

>>20322820
>And of course I don't expect that you would learn literally all the grammar before kana
Considering I don't expect to ever 100% master Japanese grammar or any language in the world, of course.
My goal is something like understanding by romaji and typing with IME some basic sentences before I can move to actually reading and writing them, just to understand the logic of what I am working with.

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>>20322837
manipulating them into reading and listening to Japanese instead of drilling false rules that you admit will take serious conscious effort to unlearn?

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its not a big deal guys because everyone knows japanese

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>>20322841
I'd like to add:
TK is the start, but I do plan to read everything else in OP link eventually and compare things.
Like I have noticed TK didn't explain me how to link adjectives, but another guide did give me a way.

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>>20322855
lol you blind or something?
page 104

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>>20322892
I am not done reading it in full yet of course, why is it so far even?
It bugged me for a while when I first heard how to link nouns.

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*crunches tomato* yo yo nigga

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damare kuso inaka yarou

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>>20322898
Everything until the last section ("advanced topics") has the same importance in that it's everyday grammar that you definitely should know.
also it's not even that far in, trust me after 2 months of dilligent reading 4/5th of everything in the guide (again bar the last section) will look like basic shit

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>>20322898
everything in tae kim is very very basic, including the advanced section, except for a couple of the things in the last two lessons which are apparently only there because the writer who wrote kimchi's favorite light novel series haruhi used them a lot

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>>20322814
grammar guides make comprehension easier. without them, most people wouldn't even bother learning a language. plus if you're interested in fixing those mistakes you can but it's usually not worth the effort.

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>>20322388
Too pure for this world

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>>20322916
kenka uttenno ka tokaijin me korrrra *spits seeds*

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>>20322928
>>20322941
Nice to hear that, and indeed I am not struggling so much for now.
But what's wrong with those two last topics?

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suns only rare to you not the rest of us pretty peoples

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>>20322968
You sound like you intend to memorize the grammar. Don't do that. Without input it will be extremely difficult to internalize grammar with guides alone. Memorizing can also give you bad grammar habits. Just read it quickly, consume media, then come back to it when you need to.

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idk what the big deal is just watch your 10000 hours of eigo subbed anime and youll be fine

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>>20323054
Guess I will not focus much on memorization but more on understanding the concepts and how they are applied in examples

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>>20322986
omeditate.

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西暦二〇一八年―蛇丸の絶えぬ戯言せる大西日本語スレ戦争。屍山血河の中、西国の日本語独裁者魔っ斗がついに、動き始めた。