DJT #2070

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DJT - Daily Japanese Thread

わたしはゲイです edition

https://djtguide.neocities.org/
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/index.html
prev. スレ: >>20479746

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Daily reminder that flash cards are for cucks.

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whip out that cc my tomodati

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That 2ch English thread posted in the previous djt is interesting. Well, it's interesting how you take for granted which words are appropriate in a given context. They're using loose synonyms in contexts where they don't sound right:
>I've learned English conversation for six months, and realized that I'm ill at conversation rather than English.
Obviously you can see why they thought they would fit. Language is gay.

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Someone please tell me where I can download ebooks in japanese. It wasnt on that itazuraneko list.

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i'm only learning japanese so i can talk to fellow fighting game autists and look at (not read) manga pictures

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>>20487026
小説家になろう

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>>20487005
i can comfortably leave forever knowing djt is in safe hands inspired in part by my shitposting

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>>20487031
What shitty fighting games do you play?

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>>20487158
none right now cause i have no partners for practice and local scene is dead

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Anyone know how many characters there are in a Japanese Bible? It would serve for good comparison vs eroge script sizes. I've seen a guy mention that some eroge are longer than the Bible, but he didn't really back it up.

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if i knew u were gonna do this op i woulda made the 2069 thread again

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I'm thinking of doing 100 new words per day for a month or so for shits and giggles. Takes me 10 minutes to do 30 atm. Just thinking it's not worth the extra time I'll have to put into droning reviews. I only have to do 15-30 minutes of that per day now.

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>>20487325
just count backwards from now on to keep things fresh

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>try to read some VNs
>200 characters per minute and over
>try to read any LN or WN
>100 characters per minute and less
what do

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr4GotzAlsw
She's fluent in 4 languages and the most recent of which includes japanese and she says passive immersion is the most helpful thing she did.

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>tfw ran out of anime

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>>20487453
literally impossible

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>>20487465
ok let me rephrase
>tfw ran out of anime I want to watch

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>>20487335
Its easy to do 100 words a day for a while, but eventually you'll have 1000 reviews per day and blackhole of memory loss, and want to shoot yourself. Don't go over 50 or you'll regret it. List memory isn't the same as contextualized/emotional language memory. You really need to be getting your vocab from content or adding your own context media to your srs.

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>>20487553
Well, all the words I'm learning I mine myself at this point so it's a bit easier to remember. But I did have moments like you describe where a tipping point occurs and I just blank on everything I learned in the past x number of days. I'm still kinda curious to see if I could do it but I prolly wont

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I want to learn japanese without any effort.

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the only thing that i can do with no effort is your mom

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>>20487451
shes also a woman

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>>20487622
Somehow for the first time in my life this kind of insult actually hurt me.

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>>20487451
i didnt even make it past the aids as fuck intro

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is there a japanese equivalent to the mandarin corner youtube channel?
i want to know where i can grab shitloads of japanese dialogue/monologue

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just grab urself and beat off to some hentai do-jins u stupid mother fucker

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i'm already doing that but it's not allowed on public transport, i need something else while i'm not at home

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>>20487631
i'm honored

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>>20487451
that accent is horrible

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beat off on the subway like the homeless and mentally ill do its fine

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>>20487451
imagine growing up in such a charmed childhood that you can spend entire days learning a language instead of having to work to survive and then act like it's so easy

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please stop urging me to do indecent things

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>>20487451
I hate trust fund kids.

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>>20487685
entitled daddys girl privilege ftw

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>>20487451
she's not wrong, but somehow she completely glosses over how to get started lmao

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>>20487685
haha just move to japan bro and have a social network that will hang on your every word because you're a girl bro haha just be rich bro :)

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>>20487685
It's easy if you live in a country where you can live on social benefits, ie most of europe.

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>>20487685
did you grow up in sierra leone or some shit? who the fuck has to work to survive as a kid lol

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>>20487677
i'm mentally ill so its ok

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>>20486997
How do I remove the flash card jew from my life? I hate every second I spend with flash cards.

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just institute communism

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>>20487765
we all are i wasnt tryin to get it twisted *glomps u*

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Where can I find the first season of spongebob squarepants dubbed in japanese?

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>>20487760
Russia. I had to help cut lumber every day and I missed school during the spring season so we could make enough money. Our family saved up enough so we could move to America in '99, we had a two-day stopover in Tokyo that left an impression on me since. Once we moved to Montana, my time after school would have to help work on the tree farm until I was old enough to move away, now I'm learning Japanese so I can hopefully one day leave this country and my family for good. I just got started last week.

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>>20487803
Yeah, I'm also from a Slavic country and didn't have to do jack shit growing up, same as all my friends. We're poorer than you guys too. So your experience isn't the norm generally speaking.

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>>20487810
Just because a country is rich it doesn't mean the people are.

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>>20487451
>unironically posting some blog roastie

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>>20487803
Ugh... have a heart <3 and a ganbare anon
Hoping you will one day achieve your dream

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>>20487810
There were very limited things to do in our neck of the woods as our daily income came primarily from the main city which was an hour's drive away (which is where my school was). Timber thieves often logged multiple lots that were under our jurisdiction so sometimes we spent nights in below freezing temperatures on the lookout to deter them. Usually convoys would travel during dry weather past our border loaded with trucks to log our forests and we'd have to fire warning shots to keep them away or at least move them outside our jurisdiction. I remember the year we left, it got so bad that the military actually cordoned off parts of the road and detaining anyone without ID.

>>20487825
I know that I will never be able to be accepted as a native, but it seems so much more richer than the cultural corpses that are my homeland and current home.

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>>20487869
Just stay inside and accept your 2D overlords fancy pants. No need for any kind of environmental change for culture.

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>>20487793
Japanese people unironically call Spongebob an 'American anime'. I somewhat kept a straight face, but it was gold.

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>>20487899
anime just means animation. even cars 3 is an anime

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what the fuck was heisig smoking here

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It's actually crazy how much easier it is to remember what shit means when you read it out loud. Good thing I caught the habit of reading it internally early

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what a lidded crock of shit

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>>20487926
>all this bullshit to remember 3 fucking lines
RTK is the ultimate pleb filter. If you do it you literally, unequivocally cannot learn Japanese.

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https://youtu.be/edfN1xRY86Y

did she really pass n1? this is hella basic

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>>20487926
>makes you jump across multiple pages like a CYOA book
>says it's to keep it in order of the dictionaries
then why not make it in order to begin with you daft fuck

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i've never jerked off to 2d and never will

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>>20487926
desu it's not as good as his explanation for あ

>an otter throwing daggers at a "no" entry sign

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>>20486992
>stealing downpour chan

You fucking spy cunt, I will rape your asshole

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worst part is if they just flipped the img horizontally shed wear the festive hat

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>>20487938
>polygot
>4 of the languages are asian trash
>bahasa malaysia
How can you even call yourself a polygot without knowing a single european language?

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>>20487986
oh i know the answer

you make a video saying youre something and then post it on yt

lol

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was it really that fucking impossible for these anki shitheads to make the addons for the prior version work with the new one? what the fuck man

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>>20487999
>using anki and not glorious supermemo

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>>20488007
>supermemo
can i add complete cards with a single click through yomichan with that?

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>>20487986
Malay is literally the easiest language to learn in the world, that shouldn't even be something to brag about. Someone can literally be fluent in no more than 3 months of light study.

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Guys I'm also a polyglot. I speak Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Macedonian.

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>>20488012
You disgust me. This isn't how flash cards are supposed to work. By not creating them yourself you're already throwing memorization away in favor for a little convenience.

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>>20488027
> Malay has no conjugations, no plurals, no gender and no verb tenses.
What the fuck, how does that even work

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>>20488036
Huh? I memorize them just fine. What are you even on about faggot?

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>>20488049
See me in shiritori and try to talk shit again afterwards.

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くそスレ

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if u havent been a hentai gamer for the last 20 years at least u disgust me

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>>20488045
Plurals are literally just [noun-noun], gender is used by a catch-all word [dia], conjugations and verb tenses are just [tense word] [verb].

So a sentence like: He will read the books would literally just be:

Dia akan membaca buku-buku.

And you can use akan for everything future tense, membaca will always be the same, and buku = book. Buku-buku = books.

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>>20488123
>Buku-buku = books.
lmao was this language invented by a preschooler? it's kinda genius in a retarded way

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its good u guys know other languages besides japanese

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i speak 3 languages not including japanese (i dont know japanese)

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Do you guys ever read out loud?

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yes i only read out loud

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Did you know 縞模様? where did you encounter it?

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This language is so fucking easy once you get the hang of kanji memorization. What's all the memeing about?

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>>20488235
I've never seen that exact word before, but i knew the kanji from 縞パン so its ez to guess

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>>20488235
I first read that as こうばつさま (、＿、）

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>>20488253
It has one of the biggest barriers to entry of any language so all the dekinais that can't even make it that far try to make everyone else feel like it's impossible.

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I love reddit

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>>20488253
>once you have done the hard part it's easy
No shit.

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Do I want to watch another anime or try and play my first game (pic related)? I don't have the energy to think for myself. おねがいします.
>>20488292
ベースッドおばあさん

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>>20487470
Then watch them again. It's always a different experience the second time.

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まるで、『日曜日が来る』と言う様な調子で
What does this mean?

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>>20488345
Obviously playing a game.

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>>20488353
My memory for anime, movies etc is very good so I remember almost everything from all the stuff I watch even years later. I'm a pleb so rewatching for missed subtleties doesn't appeal to me. I started learning Japanese so I could rewatch my favorites in native but I'm not far enough along for that yet.

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>>20488140
I know 2 languages my native one and english

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>>20487625
that's important too, i like women

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hey what's up homos should i learn moonrunes or how to draw shitty porn to make a quick buck in the eroge market

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if you dont already know how to draw its too late

maybe just suck dick for some quick dosh

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i beg to differ no one in the western eroge scene knows how to draw so it's never too late

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>>20488395
So you're bitching about not having enough subbed anime? Get the fuck out of here.

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I’m going to get manga in Japanese, what should I buy? I’m a beginner but I don’t want stuff like yotsubato, looking for something actually interesting and dramatic more like koi to uso

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watching with (japanese) subs made me enjoy anime again

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anyone that says that is n3 at best

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>>20488528
>koi to uso
yikes

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>>20487026
Light novels are on there tho

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What does the も mean in かも知れない

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>>20487026
https://djtguide.neocities.org/djtlib_link.txt
link for the html versions at the top, links for epubs and such throughout the rest.

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>>20488528
>koi to uso
Is this faggot for real?

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>>20488567
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/complete/certainty

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don't quote me on this but i think dolly said も often means "as much as"

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>>20488253
Why are you so shit then?

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>>20488531
さくら通信 is really funny

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>>20488253
not true the grammar confuses me since things come in different order than in english

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>>20488273
Write that post in Japanese.

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Japanese is very easy to be bad at.

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japanese is impossible.

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japanese is easy

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i thought i was an idiot anki drone for adding the kanji form of 蝶番 the other day but i just saw it (in kanji) in a fucking doujinsi of all things

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>>20488652
You're still an idiot anki drone

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>>20488680
could you read the 蝶番 in my post? also how long have you been studying

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oh shit its about to go down

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I've been studying for 5 years and am still stuck on katakana. How do I get over this issue?

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>>20488727
Track the time you really practice instead of looking at the date you decided to learn japanese.

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Install more brain RAM

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you want him to look at the clock every time he does his reps, watches anime, listens to podcasts and reads the newspaper/vn?

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I've spent at least a thousand hours on katakana and it just wont stick.

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it's been 4 months so i think if i go back and reread the entirety of tae kim i'll absorb stuff better

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>>20488647
>>20488736

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>>20488707
you idiots are embarrassing.

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you know there was a time where i would debate and DESTROY people here every day but i put that behind me. and i think it's time you guys move on too. there's too much hatred swirling around here.

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thats how i feel about every post

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>>20488756
How about reading a non faggot guide for grammar instead?

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>>20488707
Not him, but I would have read it as ちょうばん
I only know 蝶 thanks to 蝶よ花よ though

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Where do i find books like Harry Potter in Japanese?

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>>20488771
which one? i've heard of like 4 alternatives and i find 2 of them to be gay.

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>>20488776
ask nuke

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destroy me then faggot

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"you dont know japanese"

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>>20488783
How about you name those alternatives and I will call you gay instead? Literally the only reason anyone reads tae kim is because it's short and you faggots rather learn absolutely awful as long as you can get the artificial feeling that you learn faster that way.

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>>20488795
i'd name them but i can't remember the names which is why i asked you. i think one is like satsukbi or something close to that. another is huge and comprehensive and gay.

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>>20487012
Wtf they are pretty good

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what you niggers playing?

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>>20488764
nice copout

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>>20488798
All the resources are in the OP

https://djtguide.neocities.org/resource%20guide.html#Grammar

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why is shitposting here so much more fun than anywhere else

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>>20488811
thanks. sakubi and imabi were the two i was thinking of. they're very gay.

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>>20488817
Imabi is indeed complete faggotry and sakubi is something I have never even tried.

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How do I balance the time between slangin' rocks on the block and learning Japanese?

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take a baseball bat to your kneecaps and become immobile for the rest of your life, you'll have ample time to finally get the kana down

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if youre reading this and havent already made it youre not gonna make it

final

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>>20488707
No. About 3 years.

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i just started but i dont wanna be here in 3 years

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>>20488806
自分をおおおおおおぉぉぉおぉぉぉおぉぉぉぉぉーーーーー

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feels bad not knowing any of these 4 words

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Last night I read a chapter of an LN, and I didn't comprehend a ton of it, but I got the gist of it. Should I reread it now that I'm more awake and alert in hopes that I'll understand it better this time, or just push forward?

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>>20488888
checkem

it literally doesnt matter, do whatever you feel like

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>>20488881
they make those supposedly n1 tests on the internet harder to discourage gajins

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>>20488888
If you're able to use Yomichan or similar, just look up stuff you don't understand and push forward. Read for fun. Make it a chore and you're going to stop doing it.

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>>20488776
Should be on DJT library. If not, download the 5500 novels in the COR and all seven books are in there. Even better, get the audio books in the megaupload links to read along side listening.

If you want LN equivalent, try ゼロの使い魔 in the DJT Library.There's an audio book for the first novel as well as a four season anime.

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>>20488855
The real answer is that once you get your feet off the ground, there's really no reason to come back here outside of the stuff linked in the guides. Half of the people here are good souls directing people to learn the material, the other half are those who wiped out and shitpost incessantly because they lack socialization.

>>20488898
I'd hope the N1 test would be difficult.

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>>20488922
Excuse me, shitposting is fun and plenty reason to stick around. If someone deludes themselves into thinking this thread is some kind of resource for actual learning and lets it eat into their proper study time they're just retarded.

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>>20488881
Feels to know the kanji and their reading but no the meaning

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how long can you nihongo for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5y4L4bneyM#t=77

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>>20488921
>>20488922
Thanks for the info!

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>>20488881
Feels bad to know the kanji and their reading but not the meaning

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rtk not even once

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>>20486992
>#2070
#2069

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This is not a bad point of RTK since the person who has not done it still doesn't know anything about it
the person with rtk at least knows their readings and what the kanji means

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dont worry ill make the proper 2069 thread next time

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>>20488996
literally whats the fucking point of knowing that

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>>20488996
>the person with rtk at least knows their readings and what the kanji means
As a person who did rtk, I can tell you that rtk did not help me with either of these and I only know readings if I recognize the kanji from other more common words like 検索 and 推測.

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it's time for the good word
https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/dark.html

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RTK is only decent for learning the kana, but mostly because it teaches you in the order the dictionary places them in (along with the origin of the character) but you'll need to ignore some of the absolutely retarded descriptions

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why don't people seem to get that the more crazy a mnemonic is, the easier it is to remember

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKHIrqy_jZc

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intrusive mnemonics can impair long term learning. I can't recall the months in order in English (my native language) without singing a song in my head, which is a surprisingly common problem.

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ignore tae kim, read japanese the manga way and then break into the dotg

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>>20489110
seems like a lack of intelligence problem rather than a problem with "intrusive mnemonics".

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you're a lot stupider than me. on every metric.

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learn japanese now or perish

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>>20489137
prove it pee breathe

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>>20489137
possibly but then extrapolating your over reliance on a mnemonic to recall the order of the months in lieu of rote memorization to others and other situations is just...really dumb.

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upvoted cuz it kinda rhymes

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>>20488381
ありがとう。わたし、がんばります
なんかなきそうですけど

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>>20489095
RTKana does not teach in dictionary order. It LITERALLY uses the Choose Your Own Adventure format telling you to jump around so you learn to distinguish and write more consistently similar looking kana like こに, or のあめ, or けはほ.

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>>20486992
Lay it on me, is VN core or stuff similar to it a meme? like a bigger meme than anki itself or core6k?

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勝負あり

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>>20489180
the biggest meme is doing flashcards and no other practice. you can do whatever other crap on the side that you want as long as the main thing you do is "actually make use of japanese"

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>>20489110
So. Lots of adults can't tell you what's three letters before K without singing. Who gives a shit about mastery of an arbitrary order. That I can say the lyrics of the Star Spangled Banner from memory without singing doesn't make me a master of English either.

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だがもう遅い

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>>20489180
it's just a frequency order deck derived from some vns you fucking retard dipshit moron whereas core decks are derived from newspapers from a decade ago and the order isn't necessarily by frequency. fuck these questions are so fucking dumb holy fuck. FUCK you dude.

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japans just retarded

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>>20489300
there's provinces in japan where the average IQ is like 107 yet they still haven't switched over to a language that isn't dumb like english.

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>switching anything in japan

lol

youve yet to grasp how fully retarded japan is

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furthermore the biggest switch ever made in japan was made by nintendo

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turns out they also can't into switching electricity between northeast and the rest of the country in case of earthquakes

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汝らいとキモき童貞なり

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still purging my bookmarks and extraneous downloads. i'll be done in a few more weeks and then i'll learn japanese.

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1) Do you know the word '土鍋'
2) How many years you've been studying?

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1) No
2) 24

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i mean how retarded do you have to be to have your country be a fuckin island that is literally sinking into the sea and is coated with radioactive isotopes and that is also regularly afflicted with earthquakes tunamis and typhoons

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stfu dude learning this language makes me feel somewhat smart

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not a single bit

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>>20489334
1) no
2) 0.5, or 0.3 if you only count months where i read instead of flashtard.

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>>20489334
1) I was able to guess the meaning but not the pronunciation (I thought it would be either つちなべ or どか, not どなべ)
2) I studied non-stop for about 6 years, it's been about 8 years since then and I read a lot of Japanese but don't study flashcards and grammar any more. If I see a new word I want to learn I'll usually just write it on a sticky note by my desk and glance at it throughout the day.

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>>20489334
1) I guess the reading but wasn't entirely sure about the meaning.
2) Almost 2 years, but I have been pretty lazy for large stretches of those 2 years

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why are there so many compound words involving 合う in vncore. there's gotta be at least 5, no exaggeration.

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>>20489343
i want to be like you when i grown up

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>>20489334
1 yes
2 no ive just eaten delicious foods

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Are ぞ and ぜ interchangeable?

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no they are different characters

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Oops, I forgot to add meant as a sentence particle in regards to masculine speaking*

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>>20489358
合う is a suffix that derives reciprocal verbs, kind of like adding "each other." Examples:

睨む to glare at
睨みあう to glare at each other

殺す to kill
殺しあう to kill each other, to fight to the death

話す to speak
話し合う to speak with each other, to discuss

>>20489368
No, but I don't fully understand the difference myself. ぜ seems to be more common, and ぞ pops up in more archaic speech. Sometimes it seems like ぞ is used as a more forceful version of よ as well

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I don't think I can learn Japanese, and my little sister is the world famous hero in another world?!

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>>20489391
わかりません

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How good are those JLPT Tango vocab decks? Do I have to join Nuke's patreon just to get them or is there another way?

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>>20487926
I like Heisig's Kanji books and all, but learning kana by equating it's form to an idea (kneecaps) is just wrong. The kana should be as inherent as your native alphabet. Having to do mental gymnastics for each character is absurd. I guess some people need it though.

If anyone here is just starting Japanese, just take the first month and learn Hiragana & Katakana completely. Repeat the lessons until you can write, speak, recall, and understand each kana without effort. Learning vocab & grammar after that is easier than you would think.

Kanji is where you need the Heisig book/other workbook to really help you along. Kanji sucks, I know, but it's important, and really divides those that "speak Japanese desu," from those that can actually translate. Take it slow, don't overwhelm yourself, don't risk burnout.

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>>20489647
Oh for fuck's sake, don't be dramatic. The RTKana mnemonics are to make sure you're consistent with drawing the parts when you hear the sound. に is the left side of け and こ, if you remember the left side as CAPE, then think of a reason COMB is used, then you have the two strokes and how to write it. Like all mnemonics, they go away cause you've written and read the characters so often, but as a starting point it works great without the need to write the same character 20 times.

RTKana is just a six hour book anyway. It's not essential, but it's not dangerous like you're trying to make it out to be. RTKanji is more like a 150 hour book, but people like to call that dangerous as well. They're just resources to use as each sees fit.

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>>20487451
>>20487938
>>20487986

Reminds me of another video I watched recently about a qt that "learned fluent Japanese in 6 months." It's my fault for falling for such click-bait titles, by eh:

As it turned out, she was already natively fluent in Chinese & Korean (sister languages from her parents), had taken a college course on Japanese, and was currently on an exchange trip to a major Japan University. Basically every possible advantage besides a private tutor.

Gee billy, I wonder how you learned basic Japanese fluency in six months......

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>>20488123
>gender is used by a catch-all word [dia]

Love this. So fucking tired of gendered words/languages. 50% of learning German is just remembering der/die/das/dem usage.

[Anonymous No.]

What are some things you know about Japanese that you think even people more fluent than you don't know?

>There are no conjugations, just helper verbs
>Japanese has future-tense. Dictionary form (e.g. 食べる) are future-tense by default
>There are no silent sounds/sounds that disappear, only unvoiced
>furigana is not how a word is officially pronounced, it's how you are suppose to pronounce it and/or how characters say it. It just so happens to match up with the official pronunciation almost all of the time

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>>20488036
>creating a flashcard deck for a language you do not yet understand in order to learn that language

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>>20488137
It sounds genius by simplicity. Everyday conversations/business must be super efficient with such simple language.

I wonder how they handle complex topics though, like medical diagnostics, or law.

[Anonymous No.]

り is some hot bullshit when it comes to what form it'll be written out in.

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>>20489737
>Stutter a word
>People think you're talking about multiple of that word

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>>20489715
It's best to describe Japanese future-tense as a mixed present / future tense though, or non-past tense.

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>>20489715
>There are no conjugations, just helper verbs
Wrong. There are conjugations, but most of them can't stand alone and have to have a helper verb or particle added on. The imperative is a distinct conjugation that does not involve a helper verb.

>Japanese has future-tense. Dictionary form (e.g. 食べる) are future-tense by default
Wrong. Verbs are non-past by default, which includes present, habitual, future, and non-temporal tenses. There is no distinct future tense, and typically adverbs are used to make it explicit.

>There are no silent sounds/sounds that disappear, only unvoiced
Correct for standard Japanese, but whispered vowels are often elided at the end of a word. All this goes out the window in dialects and extremely informal speech.

>furigana is not how a word is officially pronounced, it's how you are suppose to pronounce it and/or how characters say it. It just so happens to match up with the official pronunciation almost all of the time
This doesn't even make sense. Furigana is originally meant to indicate the pronunciation of a word written with kanji, either because the kanji are uncommon enough that the average reader wouldn't know how to pronounce it or because the text is aimed at a student who hasn't learned the kanji yet.
Sometimes furigana is used to give a non-standard reading to a word for impact, but this is mostly a manga and LN thing.

>>20489737
The language is not simple, it just expresses complex structure in different ways than conjugated languages.
Usually this means having to memorize an insanely complex set of rules for word order (Chinese) or having particles that indicate the declension of nouns (Hawaiian, Japanese)

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>>20489760
Do you really wanna argue this because I can rip you a new asshole if you want but you'll just complain about it later.

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>>20489715
is an example of furigana suimasen vs. sumimasen, or is it something else?

[Anonymous No.]

do I just....read tae kim's guide?

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>>20489795
It's like in manga, 世界 is pronounced ZA WARUDO

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>>20489795
>is an example of furigana suimasen vs. sumimasen
what

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>>20489754
double cancer???!!

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>>20489795
An example is seeing the word 蠱惑的 written and having a little hiragana こ over the first character 蠱 because it's not a Joyo kanji. In a shonen manga they'd probably put the entire word こわくてき in furigana instead.

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>>20489764
Yes please

[Anonymous No.]

How do you call someone a furfag in japanese?

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>>20489840
ケモナー
It comes from the word 獣 and the English suffix "-er." It doesn't have the same derogatory connotations as "furfag" however.

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>>20489843
Oh thanks, I didn't know they use the english -er that way
I suppose that just means someone is a "furry" then

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>>20489834
>Wrong. There are conjugations, but most of them can't stand alone and have to have a helper verb or particle added on. The imperative is a distinct conjugation that does not involve a helper verb.
The only "conjugations" are to make the stem of the verb, and that's really just a sound change on a technical level. I expect you to understand the difference but I don't expect you to know that a sound change is not a conjugation, so I forgive you for this one.

>Wrong. Verbs are non-past by default, which includes present, habitual, future, and non-temporal tenses. There is no distinct future tense, and typically adverbs are used to make it explicit.
Verbs are future by default and only because present tense with context. You will always have context so the closest and only way to see this is to make a sentence with only a verb in plain form.
>食べる？
>食べる。
>Will you eat?
>I will eat.

>Correct for standard Japanese, but whispered vowels are often elided at the end of a word. All this goes out the window in dialects and extremely informal speech.
Post me anything from youtube that you want with a native speaker speaking Japanese and I'll slow it down and post it here so you can listen to the sounds all being there.

>This doesn't even make sense. Furigana is originally meant to indicate the pronunciation of a word written with kanji, either because the kanji are uncommon enough that the average reader wouldn't know how to pronounce it or because the text is aimed at a student who hasn't learned the kanji yet.
see>>20489814
also it's the reason why 大嘘憑き is pronounced オールフィクション

[Anonymous No.]

難しいよ！日本語を勉強がいらねぇ

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>>20489870
I had a whole long post written responding to this but 4chan decided to erase it before I could post it.
After looking up some videos it seems you are write about the pronunciation thing. As for the furigana, I answered that in my previous post:
>Sometimes furigana is used to give a non-standard reading to a word for impact, but this is mostly a manga and LN thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Learning Japanese is fun!

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>>20489904
lol no it's not none of the content is compelling

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>>20489908
Fun is subjective. That means that you can make anything fun if you try. You're just being held back by your own thoughts.

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>>20489898
>Sometimes furigana is used to give a non-standard reading to a word for impact, but this is mostly a manga and LN thing.
Fuck I'm dyslexic, I agree with you here.

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>>20489898
>you are write

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>>20489908
don't tread on my happiness anon I'll cut you

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>>20489908
not gonna make it
>>20489914
that attitude could even reverse a not gonna make it prognosis
not enough here to say youre def gonna make it but its a good sign

remember djt all you gotta do is reach out and grab some of that cc

[Anonymous No.]

going to japan for the first time
which pronouns and words used to refer to other will make people look at me like an egocentric gaijin?

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>>20490422
貴様、てめぇ、お前

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>>20490452
how is お前 bad again? I keep seeing it in everything I read

[Anonymous No.]

>>20490467
It's fine for friends but not appropriate for strangers and/or elderly people unless you wanna be a thug

[Anonymous No.]

>異常
>extraordinary, exceptional
Is it accurate? That's what core 6k has as its meaning.

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>>20490402
what's cc

[Anonymous No.]

the dictionaries of japanese grammar would be literally perfect if they added in hiragana pronunciation instead of only romaji bullshit

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>>20490699
That's just the basic book and it's only for pronunciation since all the example sentences are kanji/kana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20488848
well point proven

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>>20490685
compelling content

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せきをしてもひとり

[Anonymous No.]

What exactly is the difference between 握る and 掴む?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20491089
握る is like a stick in your hand 摑む is like a bigger thing

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>>20491095
Thank you though... is there a reason you used a different kanji for tsukamu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20491089
They're nothing alike.

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>>20491113
its just the one my ime came up with first. 掴 is just a simplification of　摑　like 国 is of　國

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>>20491123
Oh, thanks

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else constantly have a voice in your head telling you you will fail at learning this shit? I mostly ignore it but even when I notice objectively undeniable progress such as being able to breeze through things I was banging my head against the wall trying to figure out a few months ago I still feel like a fraud. I still do the work but man is it annoying.

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>>20491196
you're having stress-induced hallucinations, or rather, you're in such a bad state of mind that you can't suppress the background blabbering that your brain normally occupies itself with
recommendations: meditate, memorize music in languages you don't know and aren't studying, stop drinking, stop taking any stimulants you're taking, consume high-CBD low-THC weed

[Anonymous No.]

>>20491089
むずかしい

もてば？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20491196
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome

[Anonymous No.]

You can't learn Japanese.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>20491259
Sorry but you shouldn’t be giving advice to people

[Anonymous No.]

should i delete the 2k deck
i usually neglect it since i hit the 2k goal and just focus on my personal deck. but i feel bad watching it pile up since it'd barely take effort on the daily if i bothered to stay on top of it again

[Anonymous No.]

>>20491563
YES

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>>20491441
sorry but the person i was responding to wasn't actually looking for advice

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>>20491196
just accept the feeling and let it pass man.
know that it's a common thought and your results will always be based on what you put in for something like learning language. you can't get ahead on luck when it's comes to this sort of thing. you get exactly what you deserve, so as long as you continue seriously you'll get there no matter what

[Anonymous No.]

sorry dude the flashtard meta was like 3 patches ago

content is king now

[Anonymous No.]

also what kinda retard has so much stake in learning japanese that they feel all kinda negative feelings telling them theyre gonna fail lmao

it really is shocking to think some of u retards just are like well its finally time to learn japanese and then u go to all these aids learning communities where no one knows japanese instead of just playing that video game u really wanna play or whatever ahaha youre all fucked die slow bItchEz

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>>20491563
you should delete anki and read instead

[Anonymous No.]

done
>>20491625
i do

[Anonymous No.]

>>20491563
If you feel like giving it another shot you should lower the daily new cards to a number where you can do it everyday without it being a bother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20491699
i caught up with it again a couple times to where the daily was naturally less than 100 and it was really easy but any time i'd fall off with anki it'd go crazy again

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>>20491693
>61 minutes
what the heck is wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489334
earth pot?
0.5

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>あなたに神のご加護があらんことを
I recommend you all to play as many jpn games as possible. You never know what knowledge awaits you

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q10114358715

[Anonymous No.]

bring back flags

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>>20491826
Just read the bible you fedora tipper.

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>>20491590
lmao

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>>20491870
That'd be too much for my atheist self
Reading Yahweh's actions in japanese would surely impact my passion for the language

[Anonymous No.]

i bet u fuckin scrubs dont even know what kinda nabe is in the top left of the pic here >>20491826

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQnsqiYhkg

[Anonymous No.]

i hate her face because it looks greasier than roast duck

[Anonymous No.]

I finally made it to 2000 vocab, lads!
I haven't started reading yet btw. h-haha and I can only form the most simple of sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

lol

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>>20491601
there is no videogame anyone really wants to play. all the best japanese media gets translated.

i'm not reading any of the content i'm reading in japanese because the content directly compels me to do it, but because there's a slight chance that once i know japanese i'll get slightly more out of the translated content that i already enjoy.

this is why "read more" or "find what interests you" is really tough for me and probably other people. none of it is going to interest me until i cross that threshold where i get more nuance out of reading the japanese version than reading a translation (even a shitty one). which is probably gonna take another 6 months.

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yeha in this internet age the novelty of imports is all but gone but i still disagree with

>there is no videogame anyone really wants to play.

theres gotta be somethnig out there for u

if u find jesus u will find compelling things in life

also this is the shit i was talkin about when i said i legit wanna cry when i see these boys that are just vacuous and have no burning shonen heart : (

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>>20491921
>all the best japanese media gets translated
imagine believing this

[Anonymous No.]

1 for the boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYymrlZkLDI

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>>20491930
try to imagine this *knees you in the ribs*

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB6bxzPVAd8
If you can't follow the lyrics of this song real-time, you don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20491935
i can't sorry i don't have ribs i'm an AI

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>>20491939
that sounds so fucking annoying

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if u cant understand this without subs u dont know le japones lel XDdd jejejeje

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ip7RaOCeRA#t=44

[Anonymous No.]

wow i didn't know jamal was retarded

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>>20491921
for me it's been manga releases for decent series that don't have a lot of popularity. they'll often have scanlations but they end up dropped up or just take a while to release things. wanting to continue what i've been reading makes for the most compelling attempts at reading japanese

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>>20491800
i write out new cards and multitask a bit

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>>20491994
when in rome my ninja

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[Anonymous No.]

im the watermark

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>>20491589
Thanks man

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>>20491909
>Average: 8.43 reviews/day
Let's have another math thread

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>>20491196
Probably because your parent(s) let you watch too much Talmudvision growing up. Other symptoms include thinking that somethings bound to go wrong when everything is going well, that friendly people are actually evil, adhd, nihilism etc.
You will learn Japanese if you study it, if you’re terrible at it then it’s just a little frustrating instead of fun is all.

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>>20492296
Honestly no fucking idea what 8.3 reviews a day on average even means. I thought 1 deck is 1 review per day.

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>>20492355
you know goin back to how i think its retarded to be worrying about failing to learn nihongo i never understood ppl who practice playing an instrument and get fed up and quit or otherwise get actually really mad abt it when things arent comin so easily on something

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jamal you are too stupid to understand anything, i wouldnt beat yourself up about it too much

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>>20489814
Kek

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maybe only actual retards can learn nihongo then haha

try dumbing yourself down intellifags

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>>20489814
solid post very nice

[Anonymous No.]

and another thing at least i dont incorrectly use commas constantly like some kinda pseudo intellectual idiot who thinks hes smarter than he really is

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>>20487769
Don't spend more than 5 seconds on a card. If you do, mark it as bad so that you improve your mental agility.
Doing it like this also saves you a lot of time and headache.

When I save adjectives, I make sure to add the particle that is most commonly used with them. Makes the association easier.

[Anonymous No.]

Dropping nihongo for malay

[Anonymous No.]

how not to do flashcards

https://streamable.com/o3vxb

pass it on to your friends save lives

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>>20489694
While those other things help, being fluent in either Korean or Chinese won't help you learn Japanese. They're in different language families with the only thing they share being some origins of words.
It's like saying being fluent in French means your brain is more primed to learn English.

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nah all that shit falls under the azn umbrella

u dont really understand unless ur azn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Yd8g1kV3Y

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>>20492508
What's wrong with this?

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>>20489715

1. Just plain wrong.
2. Past and non-past.
3. What about germination?
4. Kind of right, but it's completely wrong from how you put it. The gojuuon, and by extension furigana, accurately represents the phonemic transcription of Japanese words for the most part.
Phonetically speaking, they're only sort of helpful. ん is the worst culprit here, representing at least 6 different consonant sounds.

Pay attention to how native speakers pronounce words like ほん、まんこ、はんぱ、めんどう、めんひょう, and you will see ん rear its ugly head. In any case, stuff like this is useful to pay attention to as a language learner for any language, in order for you to sound like a native.

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how do people mark their reviews? do you only hit 1 on anki when you've missed the card completely, or when you forgot the pronunciation but remembered the definition or vice versa?

[Anonymous No.]

go look at how flashcards work for non retards using them to memorize other things not related to language and find out

https://www.musictheory.net/exercises/interval

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>>20492610
You either get it completely or you didn't.
Learn faster by practicing the 5-second rule: don't spend more than 5 seconds trying to remember. It needs to come at a flash (that's why they're called flash cards).

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>>20492610
I hit 1 when I fail any of these things, also if it has multiple readings/meanings I've learned I hit 1 if I don't remember them all.

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>>20492610
When I feel my answer wasn't good enough.

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少女　<--------------------can this be used to describe myself as a virgin, or is it exclusively used for females, i dont want to sound too feminine

[Anonymous No.]

idk dude youre gonna have to tell me more about yourself

give me your pronouns

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>>20492643
>>20492654
these answers are tied together I think; you hit 2 when you get it, but slowly (~5 sec.), 3 when you got it within a couple seconds, and 4 when you got it instantly? I almost never hit 4 and I often hit 1 but I take forever on reviews so I'll try that 5 second rule. Thank you guys

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>>20492679
they/them gang ww@

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Matt's saying RTK is good but I'm reading it and there is no kunyomi or onyomi, just mnemonics so... is it actually good?

[Anonymous No.]

絶対童貞<-- use this

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>>20492680
I hit 2 when I'm not sure, 3 when I am and 4 when I'm sure I won't forget it.

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>>20492690
Learning kanji in isolation with readings is more retarded than doing it without readings. Both options are still retarded though.

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>>20492679
i just want the most pathetic word for virgin, but it still needs to make sense

少女 sounds very disrespectful to use towards males, but it still needs to make sense, if you know what i mean

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>>20492690
RTK2 goes into that stuff; it starts with Onyomi then works to Kunyomi iirc. Using it for just recognition can be good; if you want those readings in tandem with the kanji Kanjidamage is okay, or you can just suck it up and get them from learning vocab

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>>20492700
I mean I press 2 when I was not sure about the word but I got it anyway.

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>>20492665
What part of 女 do you not understand?

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>>20492708
it makes sense if you hella gay ironically otherwise >>20492698

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>>20492732
its not meant to be gay, just really pathetic

[Anonymous No.]

>>20492731
i know what it means, and i thought it would be pathetic to call someone that, but apparently it justs gay and thats not what i want to call myself

[Anonymous No.]

try どうしようもない童貞

[Anonymous No.]

>>20492680
I'm all for speedfagging but remember that when you go too fast you'll be wasting the whole day's worth of reviews instead of saving minutes. Try to make it so you hit the about the same number of button 2s and button 4s too.

[Anonymous No.]

LOL can someone get a licensed adult in here to teach these retarded children why they are called flash cards

apparently me watching them suck forever isnt enough to make them understand

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>>20492792
look at this dekinai that still stuck in the 3 digit kanji range

[Anonymous No.]

look at this dekinai that doesnt know any kanjis unless someone shows them to him LOL

[Anonymous No.]

Now this is the real shit...

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[Anonymous No.]

my IQ is too high to learn anything but romaji

you dont need to learn how to speak monkey to communicate with an ape, you primitive FAGGOTS

[Anonymous No.]

>>20492904
I like her videos except for how her voice makes me want to kill myself

[Anonymous No.]

jane goodall actually fucked apes and thats how aids was created

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>>20492931
You can’t get aids from women that’s a myth invented by gays

[Anonymous No.]

>>20492979
but your mom is gay?

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>>20491095
>摑む is like a bigger thing
Yeah like this badboy
>Unzips dick

[Anonymous No.]

*unzips dick revealing a smaller dick inside*

[Anonymous No.]

Did the time you spend reading each day increase in proportion to your improvement? I'm reading about 2 hours per day now because that's about the time I get sick of looking shit up incessantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20492931
you make sick references sometimes yet most of your posts are absolutely braindead retarded. why is this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493002
omo...

[Anonymous No.]

tis not the posts that are retarded but the reader

[Anonymous No.]

No it's most definitely the posts

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>>20493324
no but it will eventually once i enter the "feel zone" where the japanese flows through me and i can enjoy it even if i don't understand a lot of it. that's going to take 3 months of reading 6 hours a day probably but i don't feel like committing to that.

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>>20492931
could be worse

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>>20492615
This is even dumber than language flashcards since there are a limited number or intervals to recognize. Just sightread more. Then you learn the intervals in context and get the added benefit of seeing the bigger picture rather than isolated intervals that don't give you any insight into how to chain them together. Oh shit. I think this means we should mine sentences. Vocab carders btfo.

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>>20493554
nah dude theres also a limited number of kanjis haha flashcards make perfect sense just throw em all in there willy nilly and make sure to bloat the cards with as much shit as possible itll work well i promise

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>>20493554
mine kanji, vocab and sentences you goofball! you're only gonna find vocab doable if you know the kanji in many cases, and likewise for sentences and vocab

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>>20493526
Misa's pretty cute.

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>>20493526
Jesus...

[Anonymous No.]

why does the concept of using flashcards to better remember words you encounter in native content elude you retards to such a degree? 2000 threads in and you still think people just rote flash cards as their only study method lmao

[Anonymous No.]

why does the concept of you need to learn before you need to remember elude you retards to such a degree 2000 threads in and u still think any of the retarded shit u do is learnin u nihongo lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>20487932
>>20487932
>>20487932
>>20487932
>>20487932

[Anonymous No.]

yea i don't get why it's bad to flashcard words while you're still learning the language

[Anonymous No.]

i for one really enjoy learning a language without remembering any of the words that make it up

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>>20493642
fucking idiot toolboxes on this board don't know how to learn a language themselves so they want to project that helplessness onto you

I'm no exception to this, but at least I can tell you to just figure out what works for you personally, whether that involves kanji and then vocab associated, or vocab with readings and then their kanji or the Antimoon method or whatever

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493462

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>>20493615
Because flashcards are static and inferior to actual memorization techniques.

[Anonymous No.]

ok name a few

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>>20493668
man what does that even mean. there are things i forget all the time that some low effort anki investment could help me remember.

[Anonymous No.]

it means nothing. the anti-flashcard crew are all sub 80IQ monkeys. at least some of them have the decency to not pretend like they actually want to help people unlike jamal

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>>20493705
There are benefit to using incremental retrieval software but not like the average retard here uses them. This shitty kind of rote memorization is the reason why 90% of doctors are absolute garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493746
maybe the doctors are just not smart enough to be doctors but anki gives them an artificial edge

[Anonymous No.]

>still no examples of "actual memorization techniques"
>still no concrete criticism that makes sense
fuck

you

up

the

ass

[Anonymous No.]

actual memorization techniques like reading

[Anonymous No.]

i cant speak for the guy touting "actual memorization techniques" but u dont need to memorize a bunch of words

its stopgap bullshit to make u feel better about how ur not learning japanese cuz u memorized some shit

why not just do all good nihongo time all the time instead of try to memorize shit u dont care about

[Anonymous No.]

I don’t do flashcards because it’s not fun. I don’t watch anime/jdramas either though because I wind up spending too much time on them.
I have no diligence and I am not conscientious, so if I force or let myself do things that are too boring or fun I fuck myself up.
For me the happy middle ground is watching Japanese YouTube and deleting cookies periodically to avoid the recommender algorithm figuring out what I want to watch and recommending me things that I cannot resist.

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>>20493754
They drop anki the moment they pass their last exam. If you use anki you waste the time you could have just improved the way you encode, store and retrieve memories. There are only very few autists like Piotr Wozniak who perfected the habit of incremental recall.

[Anonymous No.]

Ｆｌａｓｈｃａｒｄｓ　ｈｅｌｐ　ｒｅｍｉｎｄ　ｙｏｕ　ｔｏ　ｒｅｍｅｍｂｅｒ　ｒｅａｄｉｎｇｓ．　Ｉｆ　ｙｏｕ　ｃａｎ　ｒｅａｄ　ｓｈｉｔ　ｔｈａｔ　ｈａｓ　ｆｕｒｉｇａｎａ　ｗｉｔｈｏｕｔ　ｃｈｅａｔｉｎｇ　ｂｙ　ｌｏｏｋｉｎｇ　ａｔ　ｔｈｅ　ｆｕｒｉｇａｎａ　ｆｉｒｓｔ，　ｍａｙｂｅ　ｔｈａｔ　ｗｏｕｌｄ　ｂｅ　ｂｅｔｔｅｒ　ｔｈａｎ　ｆｌａｓｈｃａｒｄｓ．　Ｉ　ｄｏｎ’ｔ　ｋｎｏｗ．　Ｉ　ｆｌａｓｈｔａｒｄ．

[Anonymous No.]

>>20492118
>fuck off
>いってらっしゃい

[Anonymous No.]

and u should know words from 10000 hours of eng subbed anime and be able to make connections on your own after a period of looking stuff up

u dont need flash cards to learn or remember japanese

theres a right way to use the flash cards but i havent seen u mother fuckers do it yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493705
You forget things because of the lack of usage, your brain decides that those memories are not worth keeping.

Why do we want to learn japanese? We love japanese media and want to understand those things in their native language. If you desperately want to memorize some things than increase the personal value of those memories instead of forcing your brain to keep information you don't really care about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493864
>Why do we want to learn japanese? We love japanese media
some more than others. i'm sure if you absolutely love it for every second then you'll remember lots. but that's rare for beginners, who will really just find reading to be frustrating. so use anki.

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine if Jamal actually thinks his 10000 hour bullshit is the optimal approach

[Anonymous No.]

i never said it was and have said in the past its definitely not

but it works and thats the thing u chucklefucks should be concerned about the most

[Anonymous No.]

I once had an exam that was all multiple choice. Also Answers to the course’s assignments were easily reverse engineered from similar/nearby questions in the textbook. I didn’t read the textbook nor comprehend any of the answers I gave. Then, 45 mins before the exam I used anki to memorize the questions and answers that were probably going to be on the exam, that was my weak spot, most the stuff I put into anki wasn’t asked. I got a 74 on it and passed the course with an A, but I learned from my mistakes. I’ll use anki again but next time I’ll take a look at the forums for a more information on what will specifically be covered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493848
>>20493802
>>20493811
>>20493791
>>20493756

おいおいてめえらばかなことゆなよね
その「アンキ」ってアプリはミームとおもいます。ペッパー・ピッグやほかのかんたんなばんぐみをみなきゃだめんだよ。
アンキをつかいすぎるとペラペラにならないんでしょうね。

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>>20493885
The thing about legit memorization is that it takes high amounts of creative efforts while anki is just turn it on, put in the least amount of effort necessary and get rewarded with the feeling that you progressed.

I think many people here just have some kind of fear of forgetting, the fear of all this practice invested being for nothing so they rather just use anki which gives the feeling that you keep what you learned and gives you the feeling that you progress in your japanese studies. Anki can give you a goal and reason to study.

It will never beat learning with real effort.

[Anonymous No.]

Do Japanese children really catch and hold big ass nasty bugs for fun?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcujQwmEcl0#t=25

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493939
God you're such a fucking moron. It's literally just used so you don't have to look up the same word 5 times in a row when you encounter it in context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493942
they shove fingers in each others asses big bugs is the least of the horrors

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493965
Ｎｏ，　ｉｆ　ｙｏｕ　ｅｎｃｏｕｎｔｅｒ　ｗｏｒｄｓ　ｔｈａｔ　ｏｆｔｅｎ　ｉｎ　ｃｏｎｔｅｘｔ，　ｔｈｅｙ　ｄｏｎ’ｔ　ｎｅｅｄ　ｔｏ　ｂｅ　ｉｎ　Ａｎｋｉ．　Ａｎｋｉ　ｉｓ　ｔｏ　ｒｅｍｉｎｄ　ｙｏｕ　ｏｆ　ｗｏｒｄｓ　ｔｈａｔ　ｙｏｕ　ｄｏｎ’ｔ　ｓｅｅ　ｏｆｔｅｎ．

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493939
what's the difference between looking up a word you encounter while reading dozens of times and just throwing the word into anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494001
One trip to the dictionary versus multiple trips to the dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493999
The interval between encounters wasn't specified.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493999
>Ｎｏ，　ｉｆ　ｙｏｕ　ｅｎｃｏｕｎｔｅｒ　ｗｏｒｄｓ　ｔｈａｔ　ｏｆｔｅｎ　ｉｎ　ｃｏｎｔｅｘｔ
oh i understand. you guys are trying to extrapolate your 300 IQ experience onto everyone else. it never worked this way for me. when you're starting to read you literally don't know the vast majority of words you come across. you'll be looking up every single one, which helps you comprehend the text in the moment but those words absolutely did not stick for me. anki helps with that.

[Anonymous No.]

get em out boys

[Anonymous No.]

>>20493965
One is the real situation, the real usage. The other is an artificial environment.

The quality of retrieval is worlds apart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494016
＞Ｉｎ　ａ　ｒｏｗ
もういい
私負けたぞ
>>20494030
I'm actually just shit posting and I agree with you. I was thinking earlier today that a lot of people advocating not using flashcards have already gone through their flashcard stage and have forgotten how difficult it was at first to remember all the different reading and that having a limited number of words in Anki made it easier to recall how they were read rather than being overwhelmed with the tens of thousands of words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494030
I'm dumb as a rock but instead of using anki I take the words and create sentences with them, draw pictures of the kanji and their meaning together, sing and dance them and use other fun ways to make them memorable. I have yet to relearn any word that I put effort into memorizing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494030
Hey you used extrapolate correctly so you can’t be that dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494057
i mean ill tip my starter cap to this because i was never thinkin about remembering words at any point i was just watchin naurto subbed by anbu subs and later dattebayo subs : )

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494054
One doesn't cancel out the other. Again, and it's really hard to get this through your thick ass skull, the point is to use it as a supplemental tool which aids your ability to retrieve when it matters, in actual usage. Retrieval during reading or listening still takes place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494123
naruto is a steaming pile of horseshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494152
I highly question if people doing anki really find it enjoyable to do. I mean, you can't go more rote memorization than anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494165
it really is i actually didnt watch past the first filler arc and didnt watch any of shitpooden and only read the manga randomly in jump whenever i had 1 around

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494182
Who cares, you shouldn't be spending more than 30 minutes per day on it anyways. I can endure loads of things I don't find particularly fun for half an hour, even if they give me no benefit, like plowing your moms ass. Anki at least has some positive effects unlike your moms smelly cock sleeve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494182
i find it a hell of a lot more enjoyable than what you suggested above (if you're the singing sentence guy), partially because it's a much quicker process. literally 10 or fewer minutes per day spent in anki and yet it really helps me recall readings for words that i encounter while reading.

[Anonymous No.]

何　何て　なんて　何で　なんど　何度　何となく　何とも　なんだ　何だ

How do I keep track of all of this nan- shit?

[Anonymous No.]

but are you learning japanese or are you just a dunning kruger shitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494225
なんで？意味ないし

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494225
なんなんだってばよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494234
Honestly asking, are you autistic or just dumb for not being able to reply and write properly?

You almost act like a bot, writing some random shit every 5 minutes into this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

beep boop

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494312

[Anonymous No.]

How the daily japanese thread has fallen from grace. I guess everyone who was serious already reached their goal long ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494361
I think Jamal repels competent people from wanting to post here.

[Anonymous No.]

no they all gave up and moved on with their lives never to know nihongo outside of a few phrases like konnichiwa and suggoi

dont become like them dont become a statistic

[Anonymous No.]

>suggoi

[Anonymous No.]

ur welcome for teaching u the i guess new nihongo word of the day

check back tomorrow for the next nihongo word of the day

>>20494376
nice self own

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494406
Well it's just a fact. I suck but when I improve I'll stop posting here.

[Anonymous No.]

だといいなあ

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished the first volume of Yotsuba. Wasn't too bad, way more interesting than NHK easy at least. What should I do now? Next volume of this or something more challenging since it was pretty easy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494464
If it was easy the second one shouldn't take too long to finish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpjnQmjVHI#t=18

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494471
Yeah sounds good, I'll get through it in the next few days
>>20494479
I've given your stuff way more chances than I should have and you consistently disappoint, come on man

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494464
>way more interesting than NHK easy at least
lol

[Anonymous No.]

How many months of studying do I need to trick my friends into thinking I know japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

itd be boring if everyone saw it my way ヽ(‘～` )ノ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494510
I convinced myself that I was too shit to read yotsuba so I just read nhk easy for a month like a retard

[Anonymous No.]

i memorized the word 連用形 because i heard matt say it a few times in a video.

[Anonymous No.]

thats the most aids example of doin it right with comprehensible input ive ever seen omigoto lol

[Anonymous No.]

krashen would also be proud and sad at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494516
Just explain the particles to them or bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494516
link this https://vocaroo.com/i/s1XiDGLYtzE6

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494539
is that like -ing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494516
A friend told me during high school that he was studying japanese and taking lessons which I, for some reason, naively thought meant he actually had some sort of ability in the language since he was going for a few months. So I asked him recently how far he had gotten before he dropped it and he had literally learned kana and about a dozen phrases. Point being, people will overestimate how much you know based on next to no evidence since they dont know any better.

[Anonymous No.]

nah people are pretty rational and normal when it comes to other languages

japanese is where the retards really come out to play

see the fact this is literally the 2069th djt thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494464
Read all of Yotsuba, it's a good mango

[Anonymous No.]

if you like yotsuba and want something pretty similar you should check out gantz very solid

[Anonymous No.]

>read
>mango
Yeah but...

[Anonymous No.]

何か用かにゃ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20492367
too many people think some genetic birthright is gonna make things easy for them and they get upset when they have work for it
>>20493791
the more you post good shit like this the less i have to show up im proud
>>20493939
>It will never beat learning with real effort.
whats real effort about relaxin and enjoyin an eroge
proper nihongoin aint just easy its also ftw
>>20494030
were you compelled tho
if not theres yer prob

on the relative scale of avg djt shitfest this threads alright

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494662
cringe

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hBVm6hb50s
I'm very spooked

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494710
stop meming her she explained passive verbs way better than tae kim did

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494674
(you)

[Anonymous No.]

its not a meme

dolly chan sensei is just ftw across the board

[Anonymous No.]

and only three days til next dolly so excited

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

so in regards to the passive helper verb, が marks that which receives or gets, marked by された, and に marks the....what man i forget....

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494714
It’s honestly brilliant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494464
Eromanga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494811
お前の尻が大きいちんちんに掘られた
Who cares about grammar terms unless you're talking to another grammar nerd. Things are what they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494811
It marks what ni always marks, that’s the nice thing— you don’t need to retroactively tweak your understanding of the ga and ni that you just read before realizing they were marking things for a passive verb

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494889
now this is hella gay

[Anonymous No.]

>learning japanese for porn
>tfw being productive for the sake of degeneracy
Is there a more complex feeling?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494889
I somehow knew what 尻 meant despite never having seen this kanji before. This language truly is magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494922
The satisfaction and disgust of flooding the guts of a tranny and realizing you probably are a literal faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494933
I feel like I should have used a different word there but I don't read enough ero_ to know it. >>20494903
Word of the hour: かげま

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494933
i knew it thanks to heisig

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494516
I memorized a monologue from a tuhu meme years before I got into learning the language. Basically I could fool anybody by reciting it with a different tone depending on the situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494966
But do you know 膣

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494948
>>20494963
https://streamable.com/nb6zm

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494981
no, wtf heisig....

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494981
what the heck are those

[Anonymous No.]

just wanna remind you guys that i exposed you to dolly chan like 3 different times and then she took off in popularity around here, but i can't remember if i discovered her because someone posted her once before me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495002
this is the kind of pathetic validation seeking i come here for

good job faggot

[Anonymous No.]

the one before you was prolly the dollman himself

cuz i know its 1 of u fuckers

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494988

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495008
why are you so fucking hostile what is wrong with me seeking validation? maybe i need some.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495013
yEssssssssssssssssssssss ughghmhmuffghhhh so much cum

[Jun No.]

Hi, Canadian male want to be a japanese actor. I will really appreciate your time & concern. Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495018
I hate myself so I seek to make others feel as bad as I do all the time

[Anonymous No.]

you have 10 seconds to try to make me feel bad

give me your worst

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495046
If you had one pixel more in width and length you would have a resolution of 666x666 perfectly befitting the girl you posted but you fucked it up.

[Anonymous No.]

thats what it originally was but i had to make it kosher

[Anonymous No.]

how long take n1 if watch manga 2 hour/day?

thank

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srXYLdW15sM
>"Don't Come To Tokyo ..." (Black in Japan)
jamal on suicide watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495010
i dont know why you think anyone in this thread is as good at japanese as dolly
except imouto hm

[Anonymous No.]

idk dude have you seen dollys weird twitter

dont get me wrong it shouldnt be lumped in with the usual riff raff but lol

[Anonymous No.]

Hello, /DJT/, I've got a question for you.

So, due to personal circumstances, I want to reach N2 level Japanese by 2021. I have the ability to enrol in a 2 year intensive Japanese program (with an additional masters in Japanology) Between late 2019 and early 2021, and I intend to reach a certified N5 level by July 2019. How good are my chances of reaching N2 by 2021?

[Anonymous No.]

i see where youre comin from but dolly still knows some nihongo
why isnt the dolly twitter linked from youtube or patreon what a hidden treasure

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495267
What a retarded question. There were people here that reached N1 in a year and people that barely memorized kana after 5 years. It all depends on your intelligence and effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495190
Jamal is white though
he is from Iceland

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495285
>There were people here that reached N1 in a year
This is turbo-autism magic

>It all depends on your intelligence and effort.
Well I'm not a linguistic or language genius, but I wanted to get a grasp on what the average rates were here. I do know people IRl who blow off any suggestion of even N2 after 4 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495190
~11:00
>hip-hop culture is a big thing over here
The dude just wants to keep all the good stuff to himself -- that's why they made the clickbait title of "Don't Come t[sic]o Tokyo"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495267
Classes are pretty much worthless when it comes to language learning. Start a vocab deck in anki that has like 2000 words and grind it until you complete it. Try 20 words a day but reduce it if it's too much to handle, either in terms of effort or time. Meanwhile start reading Tae Kim's grammar guide and consume additional resources on grammar like Cure Dolly's youtube videos. Start reading when you feel like it but don't put it off too long. By the first or second month you should probably try reading basic manga or even more advanced material that you find to be more interesting. When you finish the vocab deck start adding random words you encounter while reading that stick out to you. The longer you do this the more important it is to read and listen because that's how you'll learn the most. Once you start reading you should never spend more time with anki than reading, and you should always try to spend 30 minutes or less a day with anki. Within the first couple months your reading and listening time should add up to a minimum of 3 hours a day. The more you improve the easier it will be to immerse, and if you feel like it you could start spending 6+ hours with immersion. Do this every day for 2 years and you'll easily be N2. N1 is possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495306
No one really sticks around that long to really tell. The moment someone here gets in the flow you never hear from them again. You will find mostly beginners and crappy amateurs in this thread. Most people will drop the hobby after a couple of months or earlier. I know in the golden age where DJT were on /a/ there were a lot of committed NEETs that managed to get really good in under 2 years. There was one guy that was genius level that reached at least N2 in half a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495351
He had a clickbait title and said that for the most part, Japan's great as long as you know the customs and norms. Like any other place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495267
>masters in Japanology
Literally any masters program is more useful than that. Also there is no point in taking the official N5 test. You don't know almost any Japanese at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495362
That's the fundamental problem. I've noticed that new users tend to hang out for about a month, progressively asking more questions and once they're comfortable enough, they hop to another community where they can actually verbally communicate and network better. /djt/ is a great starting resource, but since it's freeform, there's little reason to be here outside of needing a social clique.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20489694
> on an exchange trip to a major Japan University
> every possible advantage besides a private tutor
Why'd you need a tutor if you are already surrounded by natives and content in your target language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495411
was he honest and mention that it was the asian pussy and free rape passes for blacks that made him stay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495426
>free rape passes

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495420
Back when /DJT/ was on /a/ the thread was really fast and all people were really nice and helpful. There were also many skilled people at the time.

Those were also the people that made the guide, about the only thing that is worth shit about this general nowadays.

[Anonymous No.]

The /int/ thread is pretty good still, at least relative to this dumpster fire

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495426
He said it makes it easier to talk to women and that it gives him some sense of mystery that some of them like. Then he talked about a girlfriend he had who would cook him a meal and then get mad at him for not eating every single grain of rice.
>>20495456
>Those were also the people that made the guide
It's been pretty heavily revamped though and it's waay better now than it was back then. Before it was just like a raw google doc spreadsheet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495357
Interesting opinion on classes, I thought that i I had any grammar or other kinds of spesific problems, I would need a teacher or classmate to discuss them with. So you would say that self-study would be all that was necessary? Also I think 2+ hours a day is all I'll be able to manage, in terms of self-study.

>>20495362
>>20495420
>>20495456
I dunno, I find on 4chan that everyone feels everything is in a perpetual state of decline. It's very rare to find someone certified or around for years at a time who holds these kinds of opinon, although I don't really stick around in generals so that might be different.

>>20495472
Yeah those guys just speak in Japanese, so there's a bar of entry there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495475
It was revamped shortly after they banned DJT on /a/ when all the people moved here and the threads were still good. DJT on /jp/ didn't become shit overnight, it stayed good for a long time but nowadays it's complete shit, I don't know what happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495488
>Yeah those guys just speak in Japanese, so there's a bar of entry there.
No, I don't mean the Japanese thread where all the Nips hang out. I mean their version of /djt/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20494933
I see 尻 posted here all the fucking time and it's hella common in doujins too, step it up fampai

[Anonymous No.]

post the buttbat

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495488
You don't need to take classes to discuss grammar or whatever, and just because you take classes doesn't mean you get to discuss grammar or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't be disrespectful it's お尻

[Anonymous No.]

i learned the reading for お尻 in vncore recently so you can't confuse me by posting it. nice try

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495553
I don't jerk off to 2d

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine being in charge of an audio dictionary and you get to make a cute girl say words like ちんちん and 勃起

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495718
The idea of actually sticking your dick in a female must be unfathomable to you eh

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495693
literally can't learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495725
私もですけど…

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495718
why do you need some kind of excuse to make cute girls say things for you just tell em to say it

[Anonymous No.]

do you think its a big deal for a girl to say chinko lol

i mean dont get me wrong i envy all the boys who let their worldview be shaped 100% by media but give me a breka lmao

[Anonymous No.]

im not even judgin if the most erotic thing you can think of is makin a girl say ちんちん thats a sad life but you know whats sadder is thinkin you need a fuckin business reason to ask em to do it
what went wrong

[Anonymous No.]

late but actual memorization techniques like writing things down on paper and reviewing it physically a few times of day for a week

[Anonymous No.]

dang youre gonna get shitted on if anyone still cares lol

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any books you guys would recommend for just starting out?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495791
King James Bible

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495791
you must read in order so start with genji monogatari

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495791
norwegian wood

[Anonymous No.]

Is Texhnolyze any good? I need some seinen, any other recommendations? I've seen most of the popular shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495807
>seinen
hunter x hunter

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495811
I've seen it 4 times

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495815
make it 5 because we both know it's a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.]

honest question when does hxh get good? currently on episode 18 and is ok, but I generally dont like shounen so when does it become a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.]

so is it こにちわ or こにちは

nips seems to use both and it annoys me alot

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495830
Yorknew arc starts at episode 37. It's the single best arc in any shonen ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495830
yorkshin arc is where it peaks

[Anonymous No.]

What is your all time favorite anime lads? For me, it's Shinsekai yori.

[Anonymous No.]

What japanese literature do y'all recomend. something a little deeper than ln's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495830
it's "OK" to "good" for the first 34 episodes. episode 35 and 36 are great. there's another lull until episode 43 where it becomes great and remains great for 15 episodes until there's another climax. then the show builds up for another 15 episodes, during which times it's just "OK" to "good" again. then there's a climax around episode 74 which is great. then there's a buildup which is pretty tense and lasts for 11 episodes and climaxes at 85. then there's a series of buildups and climaxes spanning the next 50 episodes and it's in those episodes the show becomes a masterpiece, easily the greatest "shounen" ever made, and among the top 10 shows ever made.

the manga is worse (fight me the anime adds a lot of neat stuff and has infinitely better artwork) but obviously it doesn't hurt to try both.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495856
me like ninja anime where blonde boi saves his emo bf

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495858
www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000148/files/773_14560.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495856
re zero of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495859
>Chimera ant arc is better than Yorknew
What in the FUCK are you smoking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495831
こにんちは is the correct one as は is the topic marker particle, even though は pronounced the same way as わ. There's no official explanation as to why this happened, but I do believe the reason might be because は is a bit more catching to the eye when reading than わ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495874
Aren't the last 8 episodes gay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495894
the first 13 episodes are good like 7/10 to 8/10 then 14-18 are amazing 10/10 then the rest is ok like 6/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495892
why would it need a topic marker particle when its one word

[Anonymous No.]

>>20495831
its 今日は
>>20495916
this guy

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>>20495892
>こにんちは
>ん
I don't get it.

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I want another season of Darker than black to make up for the travesty that was s02

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What does your horoscope say?

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dtb s1 was my favorite before i found hxh and berserk

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>>20495935
hol up why is きみ in katakana??

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>bunch of faggots that want to learn japanese only watch entry level garbage

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>>20495950
How do you know that's all I watch? I've probably watched more than you

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>>20495926
hes just fuckin with ya theres no n

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>>20495945
not a loan word

>>20495919
you can use わ ending as a more feminine touch to your sentence, which i highly recommend the lot of you faggots to do

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>>20495961
Who cares, you're still a tasteless faggot.

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>>20495911
but episodes 14-18 are probably the best stretch of episodes of any anime. and the last bit only seems bad because it is a huge drop off from episode 18.

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>>20495967
lmao kill ya self ma man

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>>20495980
I watched it like 5 months ago and don't even remember what happens in those episodes, cant be that good

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>>20495950
最初はぐ

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>>20495950
Just think about all those delicious ntr vns you will have access to

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>>20491909
You need to start reading now. Make it a part of your daily process.

>>20492574
Base anki hate likely. Also, Nuke "writes" kanji in his head which makes his reviews much slower than if he just did text comprehension like most others do.

>>20492690
It's awesome if you think of it as the English language having kanji. The idea is later you learn how Japanese (or Chinese or Korean) use those kanji in their language. Learn readings via vocabulary, and learn vocabulary via immersion.

>>20495267
Watch Japanese everyday. Learn 2000 most common words from either pre-made decks or from shows you watch. Start watching and reading Japanese everyday. Keep learning more words. When you have learned 10,000 words, watched 2000 hours of Japanese shows, and read 50 light novels, you'll be way past N1. You might want to add reading a grammar resource throughout all this. Whether you do this in a class or self-study is irrelevant.

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>>20495966
i encourage that as well i was just hopin to push question boy into wait how do i know its not kyou

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>>20495992
the first arc in hxh is the worst by far, albeit does have interesting parts here and there. i should probably just spoil and ruin the suspense of the greatest arc in anime history

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guys this isn't /a/. i feel like we haven't been discussing **** enough.

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>>20496007
i think he is referencing re zero.

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>>20496007
huh? Aren't we talking about re zero

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Does anyone have anything past volume 3 of 青春ブタ野郎?

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>>20496017
>>20496018
whoops mb

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>>20495807
lmao dont watch texchxnolyze dear lord

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>>20495856
dragonballz

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>>20495856
berserk. when i'm fluent i'm gonna read it in japanese.
>inb4 learn japanese by reading berserk

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>>20496015
its like you almost understand my endgame but arent quite there yet

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>>20496017
were never talkin about re zero cuz its re tarded trash even sao is better

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>>20488253
most people in here are monolingual english speakers with a distorted view on how difficult it is to learn any language. I bet you if anime originated from germany or france, these faggots would still complain about german and french being 'impossible'. language learning is universally easy for literally everyone, since communication by spoken language is one of the staples of the human species. being able to learn languages is literally in your genes, regardless of ethnicity or upbringing.

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>>20496073
>even sao is better
笑う

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>>20496107
Amen, it's pretty easy when you're not a lazy cry baby. It's almost entirely just patience. You can'y just flip through drone list and get fluent in a week so it's "hard".

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>>20496069
what do you mean?

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>>20495865
Naruto is a masterpiece don't play it down like that.

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>>20496122
don't give it (you)'s

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>>20496073
care to explain? I have never heard a good argument against re zero.

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>>20496107
nah the overall structure of german and french closely resembles english, and there's a lot of similarity in expressions which means it's easy to understand even with hyper-literal 1-to-1 word translations.

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>>20496137
I'm at the first light novel and It drives me mad that some faggot on /a/ keeps spoiling re;zero by constantly creating threads

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>>20496138
thats the spirit

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>>20496107
>german and french being 'impossible'
Kindergarten.
Champagne.
Done.

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>>20496137
holy shit who broke remus thumb what the fuck

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you should only be coming here to brag how good you're getting, anything else is shameful

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Manually going through a vocabulary list like https://core6000.neocities.org/ feels much better than having Anki serving as an intermediate. I think I dislike flash cards as a system.

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Emilia > Rem

Don't @ me

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>>20496137
the girls in your pic

complete trash insta dropped

ez

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>>20496164
id prolly agree w. this if i lasted more than 3 eps

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>>20495950
who*

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>>20496146
have you not seen the anime?

also rem ded lul

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>>20496161
Anki? I can't imagine learning without it. Learn to make your own cards and add the media to it, the possiblities are endless. Get rid of notes and go straight to anki and it feeds them to you when you're ready. Keep reading and feeding anki it's a perfect system.

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>>20496180
No, I'd much rather just have the list and decide for myself when I'm ready.

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>>20496180
wrong, the perfect system is watching anime and lns and listening to future funk and watching rem hentai.

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>>20496198
you can scroll through an anki deck and pick which cards you want to start reviewing based on how easy you think you'll be. i don't see the point in manually looking through a list of words if you can just look at them while reading.

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>>20496198
mixing up learning is also a good idea, diversify your stocks, reading and listening should be #1, and you can supplement those better with notes than a premade list.. but you can learn the hard way idc

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Lets play ままごと who will you be?

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>>20496180
Anki is not necessary if you're doing passive recognition which is what most here likely do anyway. Reason being, if you're immersing, you're getting passive recognition.

If you're doing more difficult part of "writing" the word or "translating" from English to Japanese, then Anki is great as it reduces the need to brute force repeat writing or translating the same word dozens of times. However, you don't need these skills to get good at reading and listening.

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What even constitutes listening practice when you're at the stage where you can't understand almost anything? I listen to a lot of Jap music but that's about it for now

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>>20496226
Listen to stuff you've studied and understand to near 100%. Mix with stuff you've watched and enjoyed. Let your brain do the rest. Note this is for passive listening time.

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>>20496226
jap music is never practice no matter how good you are. just watch easy anime like yuru yuri and k-on

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>>20496226
you should be pausing constantly and rewinding and relistening a lot at the start, taking notes, looking things up, interacting and repeating things in your head, that's how you start to think japanese, power level it

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>>20496235
>Listen to stuff you've studied and understand to near 100%
I don't understand what this means. There is nothing i understand even close to 100. I'm reading basic manga at this point.

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>>20496246
yeah don't listen to that guy. He probably only listens to like 1 episode a day. just brute force it. read and listen だけ.

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Why is anime recommended constantly as practice even though in a visual novel you have it all, text and pronunciation that you can entirely pace yourself.

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>>20496164
prob cause rem is too forced
but mcs constant emilia erection makes her good traits harder to appreciate
ram is neglected
>>20496226
most music is really bad for learnin cause it isnt natural speech
pushin listenin when you suck isnt necessary dont avoid completely it but focusin on readin until you get a handle on shit is fine
itd be more important if you hadnt watched hundreds or thousands of hours of subbed anime but if you already got that ground of what nihongo sounds like to build on do more readin until the shit you can listen to would be ez with subs and followin with your ears is what you need to work on
>>20496241
some of that is alright but constant is not

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>>20496265
idk but i fucking hate using VNs for listening practice and would rather just read them so there must be something shitty about them.

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>>20496265
It's good to seperate reading and listening so you get good at both and not just mediocre. Anime just so happens to be recommended so much because that's what people want to listen to. try listening to podcasts for a few days and you will probably notice that it is a lot harder (+the fact that you improve a lot more) than with the text. allow me to shill さくら通信 yet again

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I'm starting to think there is no real learning "technique", if you really want to learn it, it just happens. If they're doing something that's not working they'll realize it eventually. You can use music, manga, anime, ln's or whatever as long as you're doing it the right way and actually learning the material. You can only learn so much consciously, and vice versa the subconcious has limits too. Staying balanced between passion and effectiveness is the only tip you need.

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>>20496287
>If they're doing something that's not working they'll realize it eventually.
see reddit for counterevidence
otherwise not the worst advice

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>>20496287
The most important thing is to do it daily. The absolute worst thing is constantly restarting because you don't stick to a daily schedule. I needed to relearn kana 5 times because I always stopped learning and the 1000 kanji I learned are also down the drain.

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>>20496246
>There is nothing i understand even close to 100.
Go to the CoR and download the JPod101 lessons that have scripts along with the dialogues. Some of the seasons are pretty good but some are ししばば

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>>20496266
I knew wasting away my teenage years watching anime in my room would pay off eventually
>>20496320
I'll check that out thanks

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Watching anime daily is the only way to learn Japanese

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>>20496338
yesss..yess

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>>20496317
It's weird some things stick and others don't. Krashen says it's mostly do to interest. Got to get excited about it.

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One anime a day keeps the dekinai away

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>>20496338
All the anime are already subbed, I don't give a shit about watching anime. I want to play those untranslated game and read Light Novels, fuck outta here with anime garbage.

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how much anime do yall watch a day. I watch a min of 3 but usually watch about 5 episodes. I have been slipping on reading this past week as I was reading a english book and just could not be fucked.

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>>20496352
Can't play those untranslated games if you can't learn Japanese and you can't learn Japanese without watching anime daily

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>>20496375
I would rather shove a giant dildo up my ass than waste my practice time on anime garbage.

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>>20496375
well jdrama, podcasts, j-kino, youtube, read, but yea you're basically right he's a dekinai

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>>20496388
You shove a giant dildo up your ass while I'm playing those untranslated games you wanted to play

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>>20496393
everything you mentioned besides read is just worse than the american equivilent. anime is better than american cartoons, and japanese lit/lns is just more reading not neccesarily worse or better than english lit.

so anime and reading should be the only thing a self respecting person should consume.

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>>20496407
I'm literally already playing them because I don't waste my time with anime.

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>>20496338
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu2dNPVZznU this but with anime = epic win that u will have for the rest of ur life

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>>20496415
What are you a robot? People have different tastes you know, it's subjective. I enjoy jdramas and japanese films more. Western shit is old and boring to me.

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>>20496418
How are those google translated lines going, is the games story still making sense?

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>>20496453
yea google is pretty trash for nihongo, at least with yomi you can piece together the real meaning of things

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>>20496452
No heterosexual male should ever watch any drama soaps to begin with, no matter the language.

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the only way to learn japanese is to disregard anime and watch puppet shows

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>>20496452
you realize that quality of entertainment is objective, one show can just be worse than others. jdramas suck, unironically liking them means you have bad taste. Also if you watch them for the express purpose of learning japanese, then you are the robot in this situation.

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>>20496482
>caring what society thinks
Jdramas are leagues beyond an american daily trash soap opera. They're usually only 10 episodes and pretty interesting if you're an adult.

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>>20496492
Spoken like somebody who hasn't seen any. I like them better than anime right now. I never said I was watching to learn japanese, I genuinely find them entertaining.

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has anyone here watched the drama お金がない？ i really 感動’ed at that one

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>>20496492
yes because the bold and the beautiful and days of our lives are absolute kino in comparisonn

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>>20496520
i could have guessed the meaning of that word based on its kanji but i didn't. FUCK.

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Imagine watching anything other than horror movies.

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>>20496545
horror movies are good for learning obscure historical terminology but i'd only recommend them for people who consider themselves adepts, since there doesn't tend to be much dialogue

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>>20496559
there also good for being entertaining and as a date movie. I have only watched anime and horror movies for like 3 years now. once you ascend you will never come back.

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>>20496485
welcome to djt enjoy the puppets

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>>20496559
>since there doesn't tend to be much dialogue
For maximum dialogue studying nothing beats audio books. I did a few childrens stories and it worked well. I'm waiting on some stuff I ordered to try it on bigger books.

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>>20496651
さくら通信！The language used in books is different from what is spoken you know

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>>20496775
>>20496775
>>20496775
>>20496775
新すれ立った

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>>20496779
new standing? what the fuck

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>>20487026
https://mega.nz/#F!8AMFgC4B!j7z7xvpqaDb1fXhc4UuolA