/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

What are some things that annoy you about Touhou's "fan"base? I say "fan" under quotations because most of the "fans" are bandwagoning newfags who don't know anything about Touhou besides that it produces lots of doujin content and music. And I'm mainly reffering to the Western fanbase here, although the Japanese community does have its fair share of fake fans as well. Oh and thread about the state of the Touhou community in general including shit like terribad translations, secondaries, bad fanon shit, cancerous memes, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

The EoSD dominance and some particularly stupid or forced memes. Slut Sanae comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm out of energy to get angry at these sort of things anymore

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>>20548269
This thread will be a shitstorm.
>>20548524
Agreed.

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One thing that really grinds my gears is when people in the fandom feel like they need to make every waking moment all about them. It pisses me off that these motherfuckers inject their insecurities, personalities, and what have you on characters that do not reflect that in canon works that made them lovable characters to begin with. I wouldn't have so much of a problem with that if they weren't so obnoxious and never shut the fuck up about their headcanons not being real or when they ask why they get the amount of hate they do, as if their vocal tirade doesn't give others the urge to want to punch them in the face.

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>>20548269
Almost everything. But the fact they pretend Gensokyo is this perfect paradise, a idea that hasn't been true in almost a decade, just so that they can fantasize about going there and fucking youkai is, without a doubt, the biggest.

[Anonymous No.]

All Western Touhoufags are cancer (expect jaypee). I'll just stay in the Japanese community.

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>>20548269
You.

You annoy me.

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>>20548903
I expected this reply. Get out of this thread, butthurt secondary.

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>>20548856
>All Western Touhoufags are cancer (expect jaypee). I'll just stay in the Japanese community.

aren't you western?
if you are western, you are cancer in a non cancerous (Japanese) community

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>>20548916
You're very smart for expecting this.

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>>20548927
I think he was implying that he knows Japanese.
>>20548946
Thanks friend.

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>>20548952
>I think he was implying that he knows Japanese.
oh, I see, just missed something

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>>20548269
I thought about it for a second, and it's not any particular aspect of the Touhou fanbase I hate, I just really dislike the attitude of the average westerner no matter what they get into.

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>>20548269
>blacktewi.jpg
basically people who unironically believe this

[Anonymous No.]

I'm pretty sure a lot of the Japanese secondaries moved on already.

They first moved onto Kancolle, and once that cow was milked to the death, then they went to Fate:GO, and then to Kemono Friends.

Then, when Kemono Friends was killed off pretty goddamn early by its corporate overlords, then they went back to Fate:GO again...or they probably want to Azur Lane.

(I don't think Girls' Frontline is any popular in Japan, right?)

Point being, a lot of the (Japanese) secondaries are weeded out with only true primaries sticking to Touhou, despite it not being as popular as its golden age (2007-2012).

I guess my advice would be to learn Japanese and try to integrate into the Japanese fandom if the Western sect bothers people so much. That's the only viable solution here, and don't help those trying to get a proper translation, just tell them to learn Japanese and gtfo.

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>>20549049
>despite it not being as popular as its golden age (2007-2012)
See, I can understand why people call this the golden age, but I honestly think it started around the time FGO became the big thing. (Ie, after secondaries moved on and we got all the reclining memes out of the way.) I'm not sure about numbers, but I'm pretty sure Touhou numbers haven't exactly gone down all that much. I thought they were still going up actually. Like, numbers of everything going up. (I mean everything got more fans. Touhou has just been growing a lot slower because it's no longer THE internet craze in Japan.) There has also been a serious demographic change. There are a lot of young girls who are fans of the series. Hell, ZUN even commented on Twitter about a letter he got from a female fan who was in middle school.

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>>20548269
I'm bothered that they treat Touhou on some other level from doujin games, like they think it's a big name series and all the other fanworks of it are doujin, they they make complaints about the art and stuff like there's some high expectation, and mention 1-man group thing like it's unique or something.

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>>20549044
black tewi is cute

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>>20548269
Those who take headcanon and assume it's canon (and it disagrees with mine/conflicts with canon).
Those who take fanon and assume it's canon (and it disagrees with mine/conflicts with canon).
People who say that the only worth or the best worth of Touhou is the fanworks.
Yurifags who think that Touhou is a yuri series. I'm a yurifag, or consider myself one, and I'm not deluded into believing Touhou has yuri elements.
Trend hoppers who are only into Touhou because it's popular (well, they're on to Kantai, granblue, FGO, whatever by now) <- refers to Japanese
Secondaries, but not really tertiaries. Tertiaries at least seem to know they don't know.

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>>20548927
can you read?

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>>20548269
The one thing that enrages me the most are the ironic weeb faggots who use Touhou characters as their profile picture and their "brand" if that makes sense yet they have no idea what Touhou actually is at all. You see these types of retards on Twitter, Twitch, Steam and Discord constantly. They're also the same kind of person who unironically think bkub created Chen and that Momiji/Cirno/[memehu] is from an anime.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN doesn't care and neither should you.

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>>20549411
mad secondaries need not apply in this thread

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>>20549422
>ZUN "I've been getting comments that for C92 the 樂 in 上海アリス幻樂団 has become simplified (楽), but really that's been the case with Comiket for a while now"
>U2 "Can't they read?"
>ZUN "Maybe it's that they can't use the old-form characters so they're just all changed. In all of them I've participated in it's turned out that way so if someone could please verify that"
>ZUN "It's become more of 'Did he change the circle name?', but when some other people see it they just call them secondaries"
>Okonogi "Isn't it fine, being a secondary...?"
>ZUN "I'm happy there are secondaries. Saying 'secondaries' is a bit much, but I'm happy there are new fans"

Anyway using "secondaries" as a buzzword for people you don't like doesn't really help.

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>>20549475
This thread isn't titled "THIS IS ZUN'S OPINION". This thread is for real fans expressing their distaste at secondaries who have the gall to call themselves "fans". And plenty have voiced their distaste already. No, no one in this thread has said that ZUN shares our opinion. Of course he wouldn't, he likes all the exposure Touhou can get. As any creator would. So stop bringing your unrelated drivel in this thread. The fact that you take the thread so personally says much about you. You have the entire board where you can safely be secondary in, so hide this thread and go somewhere else. This thread is not for you.

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>>20549475
Imagine being proud that you don't care about Touhou and only care about fan art, fan porn and fan music.

[Anonymous No.]

too much EoSD everywhere. It's like the JoJo Part 3 of Touhou. It's cool, but there's soo much better shit in it.

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EoSD prevalence and the amount of people that post their favorite touhou in every single post they make, even in other characters threads.

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>>20548269
>bandwagoning
There is no competition in Touhou for bandwagons to exist, what the fuck are you writing? How do you know the things that you claim to know about Touhou fans?

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>>20549915
Are you retarded? There doesn't need to be competition for bandwagoning to exist. There are lots of clueless idiots who claim to like Touhou but no nothing about it. If you haven't encountered them then you must be the retard who lives under a rock. And why are you coming into this thread with a combative attitude? Did OP kill your wife? You need to chill the fuck out before writing all that nonsense. If you're personally offended by OP and the people ITT then perhaps you should move along from this thread.

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>>20548996
What attitude are you referring to?
>>20549518
Why do you care about who are "real fans" and who are "secondaries" if ZUN himself says that he likes both?

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>>20549947
The term "bandwagoning" refers to someone supporting something, such as a sports team if they're winning, or I guess in this case a franchise if it's popular, not because they like them, but simply because they're successful in some way. You see it in the OP, how OP claims that those "secondaries" are "fake fans", who don't really like Touhou, when in actuality they like it just as much as OP, but in, supposedly, a different way. It's a waste of time to question strangers' devotion to your hobby or interest, rather than enjoying that hobby or interest yourself.

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>>20549953
Maybe you should ask that to the 20 other people in this thread. Or, alternatively, stop trying to make people like secondaries.

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>>20549475
I've never understood how you can be a fan of a game series yet never play its games.

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>>20549976
bandwagon - join others in doing or supporting something fashionable
I don't know about you but I've seen a lot of idiots post Touhou pictures and claim X is their waifu without knowing anything about her. That fits the definition pretty neatly. A lot of people are into Touhou just because they see the girls posted and think its cute but they never get into the games or manga, they just collect images. That's bandwagoning in my eyes. I don't really care about what terminology you get autistic about, it's true that there are a lot of retards who post about Touhou online and pretend to be a fan of it when they really aren't.

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>>20549953
Why do you care about people being annoyed at secondaries?

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>>20548269
niwaka shits and elitist faggots

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>>20550024
baste centrist who thinks he's above everyone

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>>20550018
That's not really what i'd call a bandwagoner, bandwagoning is, as the definition you posted says, supporting something that is currently in-fashion, the hot topic of the moment, a better example of a bandwagoner would be a doujin artist that draws Touhou, but changes to something like F/GO because it's newer and shinier.

[Anonymous No.]

good thread, i thought i was the only one who is annoyed by the state of touhou ""fans""

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>>20550045
Whatever the terminology those kinds of people described by most ITT are annoying. But try not to get too mad over a word choice next time...

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>>20548269
"Primaries" that like to shit on secondaries in spite of knowing barely anything about the setting themselves, probably to deflect their own inadequacy.

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>>20550587
Those are called fake primaries. AKA secondaries.

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>>20550639
1.5iaries

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>>20550639
But dude, they played EoSD and managed to beat it after two continues, they totally count as primaries!

[Anonymous No.]

Teen thread.

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>>20549953
The attitude that just being a consumer entitles you to some kind of pride and morality, or in some cases not consuming something.
I don't know the japanese community well enough to judge it, I am sure they have some of the same issues since humans are humans, but from a distance they seem to be more humble and productive regarding hobbies at the same time

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>>20548269
People who consider themselves primaries because they read the lore and mangas. And yet don't have a single Lunatic 1cc on any game.

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>>20551461
It's you people that are the practical secondaries, parroting misconceptions that would come across a games-only prime like Nitori being shy or Reimu being a sociopath.

[Anonymous No.]

In any case, all of this shitting on secondaries forgets the fact that if you do not know japanese, you are automatically a secondary.

>>20548269
Thank you very much e.o.-san.
>>20551461
Manga lore is superior though. I get why some people would have read more touhou than they have played.

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>>20551582
You mean if you aren't close buddies with ZUN and helped him develop all the games you are automatically a secondary

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>>20549475
of course he's fine with people caring, even a little

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>>20551461
As someone shit at STGs, I'm not allowed to hate people who can't beat them.

That said I've PLAYED all of them.

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>>20551461
For some reason those people are completely ignoring the fact that Touhou is mainly videogame and music series. Not sure if they are just that bad at the games or simply don't give a fuck.

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>>20548269
The "fans" who don't give a shit about Touhou and just latch onto its primary-secondary distinction as a means of propping themselves up and having an enemy to look down on. This gets to the point where they'll dismiss the characters, setting, music and doujin works as irrelevant because only secondaries care about that shit.

These people make up the vast majority of the Western Touhou community.

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>>20548269
>don't know anything about Touhou besides that it produces lots of doujin content and music
That's me, I barely play the games since I don't like playing games, I barely listen to the music since I don't really like listening to music but I am very interested in the culture that grew around the main series, specially doujin manga. The series to me is just a set of rules and guidelines I use to understand a story something something blacktewi.
I don't really have any interest in becoming anything beyond a secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

Nothing annoys me about the fanbase when Coloured horses suck the cancer out of them

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>>20552328
I rather think it's unfair to criticize people for not being good at shooting games. Got poor reflexes? Too bad. Eyesight isn't good? Too bad. Just plain suck at figuring out patterns and ways through them? Oh well.

You can practice a lot and improve of course. I've practiced for years. I'm terrible at these games. The best I could do, ever, was getting to Reisen in IN after continuing too much. I'm not counting reaching Clownpiece with pointdevice. But seriously, I'm just garbage at it.

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>>20549884
>>20549551
ESOD is arguably one of the best game in the series for both new and old fans

Normal difficulty in ESOD can be completed by almost anyone but is still respectably difficult. Many later games (fucking SA) have normal difficulties that make the first level as hard as the third level in ESOD and then work up from there, making it incredibly frustrating for anyone who hasn't already cleared lunatic on earlier games to clear it.

On the other hand, Remilia is one of the hardest bosses in the series on lunatic, and doesn't use bullshit to be difficult either. There's no "trick" to scarlet meister and scarlet gensokyo, so you can't trivialize it by sitting in the safe spot. It's very difficult even for long time fans to capture.

Also worth noting that EoSD is the first game in the series to really nail the touhou formula with it's music, atmosphere, and sound effects which are reused in basically every game afterwards. It's not the best game by those standards but it comes really close and it's very old at this point.

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>>20552328
At least they didn't make the cancer which the secondary base parrots to this day. You can thank the gamefags for all the unfunny "sakuya pads" and le "sanae is a slut" memes. And you have the gall to complain about the people that actually care about the setting and probably correct you whenever you slip out a secondaryism because you just want to play a DoDonPachi clone, ignoring the fact that the only reason your games exist to begin with is as a vehicle for the story and music.
There exists half the content base that you're ignoring.

[Anonymous No.]

I still don't fully understand how a simple game series like this would produce such a massive amount of secondary content like doujins (with touhou having more doujins than most other series combined).

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>>20552590
1. Relatively open license
2. Cute, non-lewd designs
3. Interesting, looslely-interpreted setting
4. Simple but effective and identifiable characters
5. All cute girls (and Miko no Toyosatomimi) cast
6. Japanese laws regarding fan creations being practically nonexistant

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>>20552590
The simplest reason is the music, I think. I really think it was the music first, which has always been extremely good. With people getting interested in that, they got interested in the franchise itself, and honestly ever since 6 ZUN's put an awful lot of extra material/profiles/etc for others to work with. Fun, strange setting once you get into it. Then the popularity steadily grew until it was a thing.

ZUN's also crazy consistent. That definitely helps.

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>>20552636
yeah there's really never any lows with the music, or anything rehashed

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>>20551461
All the actual fluff is in the books and manga though. That's like a WH40K enthusiast saying anyone who only reads the books is a secondary because WH40K is a tabletop wargaming series. Both are multimedia franchises at this point and it is a secondary belief to only consume part of the franchise instead of embracing the whole thing.

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>>20551520
>>20552560
I can’t even begin to imagine the absurd amount of mental gymnastics someone must go through in order to fool themselves into thinking reading fucking SIDE-MATERIAL makes you a true primary. No way in hell does making up Game Theory-tier theories/answers for things not even ZUN himself has bothered asking doesn’t make you a primary.
Almost always, the “lore” can be summed up as “ZUN thought it looked and sounded cool”. It rarely gets deeper than that. Shit like messy power-levels, Byakuren being a massive hypocrite and inconsistencies can be attributed to ZUN himself not being a particularly good writer.
At the end of the day, you stand by the sidelines without ever even touching the true meat of the franchise: the games. And if you do “play” the games, more often than not you play the fucking it’s spin-offs. Face it, you ARE the secondaries. The fags that don't play the games and know jackshit about the characters while spamming the shitty maymays you complain so much about? They are the tertiaries.

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>>20552560
> ignoring the fact that the only reason your games exist to begin with is as a vehicle for the story
What story? Touhou doesn't have story. Only setting and characters interacting in it. Unless you count eternal loop of "oh shit it's an incident, oh shit it's nothing let's get wasted" as a story. Not to mention that ZUN started to give a noticeable damn about "lore" around PoFV.

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>>20553057
I don't see how later additions and a delayed development in story and worldbuilding should be considered as unimportant just because they occurred at a later point in time compared to the game development, which there is no arguing that the games themselves were created as vehicles for the music more than anything else. Regardless of when the development of an overarching narrative began, it cannot be stated that it does not now exist and that it is an insignificant, ignorable aspect of the franchise. The games introduce characters, settings, and topics and the following LNs and manga clarify and expound upon the aforementioned characters, settings and topics, but only in a way as to provide the fanbase more to work with or to consider when working with those things themselves. If anything, only paying attention to one aspect of the series should be what's looked down upon. How well one plays now isn't necessarily important so long as one knows the context and backgrounds of the characters and world enough to spark conversation and speculation regarding the series itself, as speculation and analysis are the keystones to keeping a fanbase thriving, which Touhou has done more often than not in the form of fanworks, as these are all based upon fan interpretations.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm content being blissfully unaware of fan activities and immersing myself in the series itself. I see other people discussing obnoxious fans all the time but I haven't encountered these people myself because I avoid them. I'm aware of the existence of awful fans but they mean nothing to me as I do not interact with them at all.

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>>20553147
You didn't answer my question, what story? And just for the record, what's your highest gameplay achievement?

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>>20552362
>>20551461
those are called secondaries
>>20551582
this is a bad meme

[Anonymous No.]

So basical the consensus is
- Don't have fun
- If you're shit at the games, suck a dick. You're a secondary
- if you play doujin games, you are secondary regardless of if you have played a single mainline game ever or 1cc'd any difficulty
- if you read anything Touhou, you are a secondary regardless of whether you played the games or not, read two above
- talk about canonshit only. Even if everything at this point in time has been discussed, beaten to death and there is literally nothing more to say
- fuck headcannons. ZUNs words are law. You'll be damned if you come up with a semi-solid nonshit theory or anything else
- Fuck EoSD because it is popular.
- Fuck EoSD
- Fuck EoSD cast
- EoSD is shit. Fuck the fact that it made Touhou popular
You fags are literally still here and running because some posters want to have fun and talk about how cute some Touhous are. You don't have the right to ruin their fun. Just as "it is not a right to shitpost."
Not everyone is a master at the games, not everyone will like sitting around for two years or more doing nothing as they wait until another word comes out of ZUNs mouth regardless of if it is related to touhou or not. Have fun already.
I made this as a joke in the back of my head when I read the OP and saw >>20548585 minus the slutshit because I knew some of you elitist tier fags would throw a fit about secondaries and how shit you are if you do NOTHING MORE than PLAY THE MAINLINE GAMES and never touch a SINGLE DOUJIN WORK.
Fuck this shit man. Fuck it. Every single time.
You can go into a thread like this and bet a million dollars that 85% or more of the thread will be bullshitting on about secondaries and EoSD hate and win every single fucking time because it is just that predictable.
Get over your hate for EoSD, stop shitting on doujin works on the sole basis of "not canon, so it is a worthless piece of trash best forgotten" and get out of that nofun mentality because you aren't making it better for anyone and you will complain until the day you die about this very same issue. "AHHH FUCK EoSD MAN, THOSE DAMN SECONDARIES! YUKARI YUKARI CANON CANON! FUCK DOUJIN SHIT. PLAY ANY GAME PAST PCB SECONDARY FUCK."
Touhou has doujin spirit even if the mainline games "are all that matter"
If you cut out everything inbetween games, you would have "actual discussion" as some of you say every single thread with one or two couple theories for each character and how they would interact, their abilities and such and then it dies for a brief time with one rare thread inbetween waiting periods. You might hate "the secondaries" but let them dream already. We already have lore threads. Is that not enough for you?

And yet here we are complaining about idolshit, Generals and so on and having /jp/ to ourselves when the "fanbase" hates half or more than half of what it consists of outside the mainline games.
Mainline games alone will not get an entire board to itself unless it sees progress, growth and popularity on par with fucking Pokemon.

Some of the shit said here is justified but this EoSD shit and secondary shit is just pitiful no matter how I look at it. "Grow the fuck up"

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>>20553326
>If you cut out everything inbetween games, you would have "actual discussion" as some of you say every single thread with one or two couple theories for each character and how they would interact, their abilities and such and then it dies for a brief time with one rare thread inbetween waiting periods.
Not to mention how this literally sets up the groundwork for a couple offshoots from here and there depicting characters interacting. As dumb as it might end up being.

[Anonymous No.]

Touhou offical content just seems like a bullet hell game with old style art and okay instrumal music. Without the fan art, music and other stuff Touhou would be crappy.

[Anonymous No.]

i don't care

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>>20553147
>Regardless of when the development of an overarching narrative began, it cannot be stated that it does not now exist and that it is an insignificant, ignorable aspect of the franchise.
But this "overarching narrative" doesn't really exist though. There IS continuity between games and mangas, yes, but that isn't the same thing as an overarching plot.
There isn't any deep story that ZUN is trying to tell, and a lot of the shit spouted in the mangas never get a proper conclusion. It's evident as hell that ZUN is just writing shit as he goes along.
Gensokyo will never truly break free of its status quo, the backgrounds and development of character will be explained directly to us without never actually showing shit, and there won't ever be some sort of great reveal that will permanently change the way the plot of the games and series works.
Touhou has no real "story".

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>>20553326
>Fuck EoSD cast
You didn't think about that part properly dudester.

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>>20553364
Ok.
Fixed. But to add, there are posters who don't like members of the EoSD cast because they're more popular and get a majority of the works dedicated to them.

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>>20553222
this

I can always just go look at doujins/lewds when I want to and not care about any community around them

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>>20553326
t. EoSDfag

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>>20553532
esod is unironically one of the best games in the series nigger

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>>20553537
Mystic Square came almost 4 year before on an inferior OS and it's legit better than EoSD in almost everything.

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>>20553567
none of the pc-98 games are as good as any of the windows games in anything except perhaps gameplay just due to technology differences

[Anonymous No.]

If you're so triggered at being rightfully called a secondary then stop being a secondary.

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>>20553592
So you agree that Mystic Square is the better game in the only way that matters.

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>>20553537
you type like a /v/tard
>>>/v/

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>>20552505
I was talking moreso in fanworks. EoSD is a good game, but the amount of fanworks it gets proportional to basically anything else is really high.

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>>20554380
touhou isn't popular on mere gameplay value alone

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>>20554506
>touhou isn't popular on mere gameplay value alone
What does it matter if it's popularity doesn't come from the gameplay?
Hell, how is popularity even a factor in this?
Mystic Square is still the better game.

[Anonymous No.]

Learned about the existence of touhou in 2018. Also, I liked EoSD.

[Anonymous No.]

>people buggering on about EoSD wanking being bad
It's a bit excessive yes, and often shows they know very little about the series. But sometimes it means they can learn.
>EoSD is a good game
And this is how I know people don't play the games. EoSD is the most RNG based game ZUN made and is easily his worst design-wise. Difficulty of many patterns vary heavily. On Lunatic, you can lose runs to impossible dodges. Not near-impossible- impossible.

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>>20548269
momiji basically turning into the mascot for trump supporters.
And all the stuff you mentioned, yeah.

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>>20551461
>>20552924
Gotta disagree. There is far more to Touhou than the games at this point. Its been that way for a long time. I personally believe that people should at least attempt to play the games (and go for a least one Normal 1cc) but for some people shmups just aren't the type of game they enjoy. You dont need to force yourself to enjoy the genre to be a fan of Touhou. Reading the lore and manga and bothering to learn is what makes a good fan. That, and not trying to pass your headcanon off as canon. That shits annoying.

To answer OP's question, the fans that annoy me are the to extremes on the spectrum. The "you need to have Lunatic 1cc's in every game to be a true fan" elitists and the "hurr hurr lets post le ebic memes" secondaries who never read anything or have never bothered even attempting to play one of the games. Both are bad for the fanbase.

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>>20548856
How does the Japanese community differ from the west?

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>>20550005
That's just the thing. People like that aren't fans. It's just being a hipster.

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>>20555190
they are middle school girls and middle-aged male hentai artists

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>>20551734
>not being ZUN
secondary spotted

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>>20556066
Who are you quoting? I think you have to get out of /jp/, secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not into Touhou, but every time I come across this kind of thing, I'm curious about what you're expecting. Is the Touhou fanbase supposed to be only the original and long time fans? Or what is it that new fans do that piss off 'veteran' fans? What is this prestigious status you're trying to protect?

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>>20556131
I doubt you. I think you're lying. This post looks like it was written by a absolutely furious secondary. But if you must know, secondaries are annoying retards who pretend to like something they actually don't. Touhou is not some seasonal anime. Imagine if you want to discuss a series seriously and then you come across "fans" but then find out that they know nothing about the series at all and just like to collect fan art, fan porn, and fan music. And these "fans" unfortunately make up most of series' community (in the Western perspective). They're inescapable. That's why many people hate secondaries. They're rats that breed often and reproduce fast. I hope your response isn't some shitty bait like "just ignore them bro haha like how do they bother you just ignore them :)".

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>>20556177
I literally know almost nothing about Touhou. I only know the names of the most obvious characters, which to me is Cirno and Reimu. I just see this kind of thread and I'm wondering what I'm not seeing. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an older fan and a newer fan, I just see people who talk about touhou.
Coming from an outsider, I don't even know what else there is other than the games. I'm assuming that all of the official facts, character arcs and dynamics and world lore come from the games. Are secondaries just getting it all wrong because they haven't played them and are only going off of the fan material? Like with anything, fan material is like a 9:1 ratio of what floats around, so I don't understand how that happens unless all the people creating fan doujinshi, art, and music are just getting it wrong in the first place.

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>>20556212
I already explained it in my previous post. The most common type of secondary is the one who pretends to be a fan and tries to butt their ugly head into discussions when in reality they haven't played the games or read the official manga. They only just collect fan art and fan music and claim they are fans when they're not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20553057
A minimal story is still a story, anon. You can't dismiss it because it's "low quality" or something. Monster of the week is a story formula that Touhou basically followed until PoFV, where it still had that structure of fighting bosses, but the instigation of the plot wasn't anyone in particular, so THAT story is particularly thematic.

But EoSD, PCB, and IN are all stories, just simple ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20553326
>- Don't have fun
where the hell does this come from

[Anonymous No.]

>>20553326
>You'll be damned if you come up with a semi-solid nonshit theory or anything else
Is anyone even saying this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556245
Not trying to spark some one-up banter but you didn't actually mention that in your post, though I gave more than a cursory look up at previous posts. I can give some more credence to the idea in this thread with that in mind.

I'm not too huge on the idea of "you have to be 100% in or get out," since personally, any interest in the things I enjoy is something I like to see. But then again, Touhou is far off in another direction than most things around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20553354
I disagree, given official content is how I got into the series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20554643
I'm not that anon but looking at the conversation I just think

So?

Okay, it's a better game. Who cares? Legitimately, whatever. EoSD isn't my favorite game, and I don't like how it plays, but I like the cast more and the music more personally. /shrug

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556282
Secondaries who keep to their own communities are fine but the moment they try to mingle with real fans or pretend that they're primary is what annoys most of us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556296
I don't care for that sentiment so much, or rather the former part (unless it's due to the latter). I think any new fan, regardless of the fanbase, should be allowed to have some mere curiosity and talk to people who know better than them if they're genuine to learn more. That's some xenophobic old-age internet nonsense if even that's not allowed

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556131
>Is the Touhou fanbase supposed to be only the original and long time fans?
I don't think a single person in this thread has complained about new fans.

Doing a search, the OP complained about people who bandwagon, but that's not really complaining about new fans specifically. There's new Touhou content every single year. It'd be strange to not get new fans, and stranger to complain about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556309
If I want to get into it, should I just play some games, binge read the wiki, and read the manga? I feel like that should be enough.

[Anonymous No.]

Overall I have no issue with the fanbase, I have actually found they are pretty chill and easygoing compared to other fandoms. The only thing that annoys me are the secondaries who treat their interpretation of things as canon and act as if they know anything about the series based on some memes or doujin they came across. I also dislike people who treat me as if I don't know anything about the series when I have been a fan of it for almost 11 years now and have been on /jp/ since it's creation, simply because of my gender. But, that holds true with a lot of other interests so I get it. I am sad to see so many EoSD haters in this thread, it may be overrated and perhaps I am biased towards it for nostalgic reasons but I will always love best girl Patchy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556306
You're on /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556318
Yes. What I did three years ago is I played all the games first thing, and checked release dates to read manga/side material around when they released. I think there's actually a chart someone made but I don't have it.

I recommend you skip reading Silent Sinner in Blue when you "would" read it timeline wise
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Gensokyo_Timeline
but that's only because it and Cage in Lunatic Runagate aren't looked upon very nicely. Boring, kind of seems very "not Touhou". I suggest reading it after you're already into the series so as to not sour your opinions.

Don't skip the side/decimal games. Don't worry if you can't 1CC or even beat any of the games. If you genuinely want to get into to series, you can watch playthroughs if you really suck. Do play them, just don't get hung up on them. If I had, I think it would've taken me ages instead of two months to catch up on everything Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
some things for sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556318
>>20556357
obviously not up to date, don't know if anyone updated it

For most of the manga, they run concurrent with the games so there's tie ins with the latest releases at the time and stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556366

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>>20556482
*neat*

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556306
The primary/secondary fan distinction is not about how old/new you are, it was common even back in 2007 when touhou was super popular on the internet. "Secondaries" pretended to be touhou fans when in fact they consumed /exclusively/ derivative (secondary) works, such as music, doujinshi, but mostly dumb internet memes, which gave them a distorted view of touhou and its characters.
>That's some xenophobic old-age internet nonsense if even that's not allowed
Why do you consider having distaste of memespouters posing as actual fans nonsense, exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20554938
>static patterns with relative safespots that can be memorized and abused to trivialize the attack

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556772
>an attack can ONLY be RNG bullshit to the max or 100% static

[Anonymous No.]

>Septenary: oh thats what the awoo girl is from?
>Senary: knows Touhou from hentai
>Quinary: likes Touhou because of the music
>Quaternary: doesn't play the main series because they are too hard, likes fangames
>Tertiary: 1cc'd at least one touhou game
>Secondary: 1cc'd every touhou game
>Primary: Touhou? Oh yeah, thats such a cool Minecraft server!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556916
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556916
Dumb angry secondary. Don't misuse the quote function next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556928
>myself, lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556916
>Minecraft
Sorry, what year is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556952
its 2019, and normally I would call you a fucking idiot for not knowing the year but I guess it just changed a few days ago so whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548549
only good post in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556982
why would you be angry at people calling secondaries what they are: annoying and gay

[Anonymous No.]

Should I feel bad for saying I like touhou when I can't beat a game

I Have tried to beat about maybe 4 of the games furthest ive gone is stage and 4

I do like consuming fan works and stuff but i dont spew xdd sakueya padd and stuff like that

But should i still feel bad and not even bother trying to get into touhou when I do try play the games but I'm not good at them

[Anonymous No.]

>>20557176
no one is naturally good at them, it takes practice and effort to actually get a 1cc. You don't HAVE to get a 1cc, but your missing out on such a fucking huge part of the series between the spellcards, in-game banter, endings, and general feel of the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556937
Don't to that please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556937
Don't do that please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548707
I agree with you, but I'm also in a mood to play devil's advocate. The games don't do much in the way of characterization and Doujin depictions of the characters are usually much more detailed and tend to follow specific patterns for the characterization of specific characters. Even though some creators come up with drastically different interpretations of characters, a sort of equilibrium has been reached at this point where most Doujin works have very similar depictions of a given character. I believe that the problem lies in fans using only one or a few aspects of the consensus Doujin interpretation of a character as the basis for their headcannon. This essentially degrades a nuanced, interesting character to a fetishistic character. When it comes to Touhou, I don't think that you must strictly adhere to the cannon at all times, however something like slut Sanae, which literally has no basis in the cannon and is also of no intellectual value, is just retardation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20549044
It's harmless as long as fans don't go full autismo and delude themselves into thinking they can replace ZUN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20557176
No: some no funz faggots will tell you otherwise but at least you tried your best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20557985
>harmless
It's a problem because then they tell people that all headcanons are canon and then you have even more people who think that. It's what causes the whole problem of people making those dumb memes that contradict canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20558009
Headcanons are by definition made up pipe dreams,not necessarily a bad thing, fantasy has its place, but that fact needs to be tastefully acknowledged. Anyone who doesn't understand that deserves to be hated for far greater reason than being a secondary. Still, discussion on what ZUN has left for us and what he possibly intended by his works is a good thing and should not be stifled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20557059
He means he's out of energy to call secondaries annoying and gay, dont be so insecure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20559459
defensive post detected

[Anonymous No.]

>>20557176
Maybe you should try picking up that phone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556916
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

this is the first time i've seen the derogatory term "secondary" in a long time. i guess i've been doing a good job of avoiding the shitty threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20562757
Nice blog! Now go back.

[Anonymous No.]

I watched loads of Touhou PVs as a kid, but only started playing a while after HSiFS came out. I've since played all the main games but I haven't 1cc'd any of them, as they are very hard and I am very bad. I've read a couple manga and I have a couple doujin games I'm procrastinating on.

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>>20562948

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>>20562948
Good for you.
>>20563106
Are you schizophrenic? What are you implying? Is this just a falseflag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20562948
Cursed image

[Anonymous No.]

To this day I still don't know what secondaries are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20564715
maybe u shuld read da thred

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
I still consider myself a scrub for the series. I've followed it with increasing interest for the past 5 years now. Initially what sparked interest was the usual, cute girls (I have a thing for loli vampires), fun games, and good music. I've lurked the series and /jp/ during that time saving images and reading threads. This is probably my 4th post here as I prefer to lurk. The biggest thing I've noticed is the quality of community content varies by an amazing degree. Some stuff is interesting and entertaining, other is pure shit. I am not going to openly pass judgement on anything though as what the fuck do I know.

[Anonymous No.]

the secondaries are the only thing keeping 2hu relevant. do you think all the artists and composers are experts at 2hu? they are just bandwagoning on current trends. it's super obvious since 2hu has been in decline for a long time and is really outnumbered by flavor of the month mobages now. 2hu has always mostly been secondary driven, the actual amount of people who care about the official games are so small in comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

ive played all the games (even the pc-98 games) to completion but still feel like a secondary since i cant read japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20562948
welcome to 2hu

[Anonymous No.]

>>20557943
Slut Sanae has basis in reality.

[Anonymous No.]

you are a primary only if you played all games on lunatic with all shot types and got all endings and also read all canon mangas and take ZUN's words as canon. You are allowed to play fangames, but you have to understand that they are not canon and not spout the fanon perception on character like a retard.
You have to play on lunatic not becausee
it is harder but because there are more spellcards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20565812
>mangas
fuck I meant manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>20565812
>mangas

[Anonymous No.]

>>20567085
i have fat fingers

[Anonymous No.]

>>20550005
Talking specifically about 2hu, the music of course. But for other fandoms, usually you get into a particular character design, learn about their personality, then branch off into parody vids and/or shipping

[Anonymous No.]

>>20553326
Who said they hate EoSD? It's just oversaturated/over-represented in media

[Anonymous No.]

The amount of butthurt ITT is astonishing.

[Anonymous No.]

EoSD doesn't have to be so over-represented. You can just learn how to draw and draw doujin manga about your favorite cast!

>>20567085
am I gonna have to remind everyone again that "mangas", "animes", and "mikos" is perfectly okay to say in english?

[Anonymous No.]

Haha fuck you guys i just listen to circles music and jerk off to touhou and i make it a point to pronounce it "two-who" but i am a fan of the community and am genuinely curious about the games lore

[Anonymous No.]

>>20571780
NOOO! PLEASE kill yourself, PLEASE!

[Anonymous No.]

I will never hate EoSD or its characters because a bunch of newfags got into touhou because of it or because contrarians love to hate it because they don't want to be associated with the newfags. That's a stupid mentality and you nerds need to grow out of it. And no, it's not fucking shit. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.]

I read all official printed works doujinshi and listen to the music and like the setting but don't particularly care about the games

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
People who call themselves fans of a video game series, yet refuse to play the games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20571780
>>20571784
This is a very sad falseflag. The absolute state of secondaries. Cry harder.
>>20571902
No one said they hate EoSD ITT. Maybe you should read the thread before having a tantrum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20551461
playing any of the official games at all puts you above 99% of the fanbase, that's primaryhood

[Anonymous No.]

>>20571756
They're actually not. That would be like saying "sheeps" is perfectly okay. If it doesn't have a separate plural form, you don't add one in.

That said it's "fine" to say animes/mangas if you're JOKING

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[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
Ive been lurking this thread for a few days just to see the shitstorm and rage.

The two things that bother me are Waflas being overly cringe and full of sonic OC tier autism. And that EoSD gets too much attention given that there are 16 other main series games and that it has less polish compared to other main series windows games.

I am just going to give my two cents on some arguments in this thread.

1. This secondary bullshit is retarded. People can appreciate the games however they want, but the existance of fan content whether it is cringe, porn, or expands on a character for better or for worse is usually not a single anons fault. The amount of autistic rage it puts some of you in is retarded and makes for easy bait.

2. Some characters. Notably Koakuma, Daiousie, Lilly White, Momiji, Rumia and Ran would be mostly devoid of development had it not be for fandom. Sure its non canon, but these characters would either be a blip or boring.

3. Its pretty unrealistic to assume fans of secondary content have never played a main series touhou game. They all are super easy to pirate and with the exception of the PC-98 games. Can be played once you extract it from its winrar archive. Even if they have played only EoSD they still played a main series 2hu game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20565152
I bite. Some dozens of erodojin aren't reality

[Anonymous No.]

>>20575828
secondaries are still worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>20575828
secondaries are still bad

It's not really okay to go I'm a fan of x and have never actually played or read any official x material. It's okay in the sense that you're free to enjoy what you enjoy, but it isn't right, and I'm free to call you out on it.

>Its pretty unrealistic to assume fans of secondary content
Is anyone really saying that? If you ever enjoy fanart or doujins or porn or remixes you're a fan of secondary content. I'm pretty sure people are complaining about people who talk about how great Cirno is and yet they've never played a game or even know anything about her.

[Anonymous No.]

also
>>20575828
>these characters would either be a blip or boring.
So?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
gatekeepers and elitists

[Anonymous No.]

>>20582084
100x better than secondaries

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
secondaries and the fags enabling them

[Anonymous No.]

>>20571951
Hey im the original dude and i only posted the first thing i fucking hate you dudes who assume falseflagging

[Anonymous No.]

>>20582271
Not really

[Anonymous No.]

>>20552385
I've never heard of someone so boring before. I'm truly impressed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20591277
I-I-I like reading manga, it's something right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20582084
>gatekeepers
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20592918

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
Majority of them are clueless normalfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20565812
>you are a primary only if you played all games on lunatic with all shot types and got all endings
Taking the entirety of the fanbase into account, both East and West, maybe like 0.01% of fans have actually done this. I sure havent. Im sure that all two people on /jp/ who have done it are pretty proud of themselves though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
I'm just mad that I have no friends who like touhou. Every time i get a cool 1cc i want to tell someone about it but then i just think "oh" and then the loneliness comes. But on the other hand, >>20593154
so maybe it's better to be alone
besides, i have you, right /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20594749
>i have you, right /jp/?
Hah. Look at this fag.
He really thinks /jp/ is his friend. Haha!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20575828
>3. Its pretty unrealistic to assume fans of secondary content have never played a main series touhou game. They all are super easy to pirate and with the exception of the PC-98 games. Can be played once you extract it from its winrar archive. Even if they have played only EoSD they still played a main series 2hu game.
The Touhou Megapack solves this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20575828
Stop complaining about EoSD. You are saying what thousands have said already.
Also, the posters that reply to you are too stupid to listen to reason.

The only response that matters to them is secondary, fuck EoSD, and literally anything else that does not disagree with them. Logic and reason does not apply to 4chan, nor them. The hate for EoSD is purely popularity based to which I would like to take your own words and give them back to you. People can appreciate the games however they want.You aren't right but you're most certainly not wrong on most grounds.

[Anonymous No.]

I don’t know much about Touhou but this is my favorite one

[Anonymous No.]

>>20549245
>a female fan who was in middle school
Hopefully he's hitting that, if you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20587649
t. assmad secondary

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
I only like touhou for the porn

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548524
Slut Sanae is the most annoying shit ever. I hate every single one of these idiots who try to push it like it's canon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20599674
Go back to /v/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
I've never even played any of the games, I came here from r/touhou because I thought the girls were cute :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20550949
This guy gets it. There's not enough time to worry this much about how other people enjoy touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20599727
Fucking this.
And I agree with this anon as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20602192
What a coincidence. I'm also fucking Kasen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
I love her

[Anonymous No.]

>>20606421
no i love her

[Anonymous No.]

>>20606453
I love Swackers and her hat

[Anonymous No.]

>>20599961
Go bacl to YouTube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20599961
Go back to YouTube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20606519
her hat is silly

[Anonymous No.]

>>20606519
What's inside the hat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20608005
Yes it is

>>20608022
Her cute head

[Anonymous No.]

>>20608022
My dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
The lack of fanaticism. If you don't literally want to go to gensokyo then get off my board, normie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20608022
No one knows for sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>20620645
>normie
Go back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20621835
I would but I didn't come from anywhere to begin with. If you can point the way to gensokyo I'd be glad never to set my eyes upon this trash heap again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
"Primaries"

more specifically, those who put people down for the content they consume.

People have their own preferences, not everyone's into TouHou for the hard games.

Things such as this are what drive people away from one's own community; it's self destructive behavior.

I would be far from surprised if many of these so called "primary fans" have never consumed any of the content without an intermediary of any sort (such as a translator).

Live and let live, there's much more things to enjoy than to bother other people and act in such elitist ways. It's petty and childish.

Those reading this will know who they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20549245
oh god, I want to go back to Japan and just start breeding JC touhou fans over and over

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
The one who autistically trying to dictate what the fanbase should be based on his own personal ideal view.
It's one thing to show disdain on certain behaviour or aspect but it's another thing to "reeeeee stop doing what I don't like" at every chance you can get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20625397
Nice Zeija image, everything you said is reversed. Good, you hate secondary faggots like the rest of gos.
>>20625474
Stop being a secondary. This thread isn't for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20556328
You seem to be mistaken, 3D girls are not allowed, did you not read the signpost at the gate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20625600
Secondary is such a vague term nowadays because it's mostly used as mere insults in arguments.
Someone have 1cc'd all the games but only get a piece of dialogue wrong? Call him a secondary so I can shame him online for doing what I don't like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20625672
its what he gets for being wrong
live with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20625672
Do you not know how this place works? This isn't your hugbox or a Tumblr safespace. People can call you a faggot or a nigger for any little thing. If you get offended easily then this website isn't for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20625672
The word 'secondary' is a meme today.

[Anonymous No.]

hello i am primary :D

i make big fun of anyone that likes anyone ;P

i make big masturbate to my favorite 2hu many times a day, which u dont know who is ;)

i play many bouhou games in me day, i sometimes play in nihongo aswell ;D

after mommy give plate of tendie lendies to her 35 year old bundle of joy, i will go on /jp/ and make fun of them there secondaries :)

lol what a losers, right?? xdd

[Anonymous No.]

>>20555109
>You dont need to force yourself to enjoy the genre to be a fan of Touhou
>bothering to learn is what makes a good fan
>That, and not trying to pass your headcanon off as canon

[Anonymous No.]

>>20626780
To be fair my headcanon is the true canon so he isn't wrong, also Yukari told me that patchouli doesn't let Koakuma eat anything other than fish, poor wretch!

[Anonymous No.]

>Be massive Tarofag since Drakengard 1
>Ever since the release of Automata I understand the pain of allowing secondaries to infest your fanbase

[Anonymous No.]

>>20627088
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

i hate all /v/tards

[Anonymous No.]

>>20629489
Now this is epic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20627973
Why do we hate greentexting /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20627973
This epic meme is also a clear secondary sign

[Anonymous No.]

>>20549399
>unironically think bkub created Chen and that Momiji/Cirno/[memehu] is from an anime
Come on, this can't be true. If you want to use some character as your "brand", why would you not learn about that character? It's not like you're too busy to do it or you hate said character.

[Anonymous No.]

You know the thread has been taken over by secondaries when people start circlejerking over being intentionally retarded (i.e. trashing board culture defending their misuse of the quoting function).
>>20626724
Go back to Discord.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20630948
Nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20630948
t. secondary

Xddd

[Anonymous No.]

>>20630988
nice reply
>>20631010
Disgusting spacing, really telling of where you're from.
>Xddd
Go back to Discord. /jp/ isn't for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20631010

[Anonymous No.]

If you've played a game, even credit feeding then you're a primary. Secondaries are people who think touhou is an anime, or are just in it for le epic 9ball memes

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN is the biggest secondary of all

[Anonymous No.]

>>20548269
I don't like people who treat headcanon as canon. A secondary, if you will, but it seems this term is cursed in this thread. By that I mean shit like people who treat Momiji like anything but just a sprite and a background cameo in a couple of Aya articles and her comments on StB. That's as deep as her character goes, canonically speaking, yet some people treat her like she's a flagship character, mostly people who don't know shit about Touhou. Even met people who consider Momiji their waifu once, and when questioned what their favorite traits of her are, they just spewed a ton of weird shit they probably made up or got from memes, like "Oh, loyal and cares about her friends". So yeah, whenever I see Momiji anywhere near the Top 30 of a Tohosort, or people discussing her fanon on canon discussions, my blood pressure goes up a little. Such a shame, too, because her design is fucking baller and I want her to actually become more than what she is, but since that'll likely never happen I'll remain content with just reading Zounouse doujins and discussing them for what they are : fanon.

Also I dislike it when people consider your gameplay prowess the only legitimate way to call yourself a Touhou fan, but that's already been discussed to hell and back in this thread. All I have to add to it is the fact that if Touhou was "just a game" and a game alone, we would instead have a generic placeholder spaceship in each game instead of actual characters with backstories that ZUN actually bothered to make, and we wouldn't have shit like the omake.txt in every game to, you know, give some backstory to what you've just played. There's also the fact that there are players like Jaimers out there : he can probably demolish any of us in PoFV and has pretty much dissected all that there is to Touhou gameplay, yet he doesn't give the slightest shit about Touhou as a series (Or at least said so in a stream of his I watched ages ago) itself since he's just interested in shmups. Being good at Touhou != liking Touhou in depth.

>>20631069
Hey man, what's wrong with Nineball ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20625672
It really isn't a vague term. I think the only reason you'd believe it to be vague would be
1) you're an idiot
or
2) you're a secondary, and thus are ignorant

[Anonymous No.]

>>20631673
Based Armored Core poster. What I was getting at is that people just repeat "Cirno 9 dumb" without knowing it's very easy to find origin

[Anonymous No.]

>>20631673
wtf I hate jaimers now

[Anonymous No.]

>>20632029
I know, I know, I just wanted a reason to meme around. Not very often that I get to use my full arsenal of non-Touhou pictures in /jp/, specially for such a niche series as Armored Core.
>>20632140
I can kinda understand why he wouldn't care about Touhou lore-wise when he's playing like 30 different shmups a day. How he manages to still have fun doing it, that's very much beyond me. He's probably become a chrome-nerved machine after years of CAVE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20632140
Ecelevs are always cancer. Always.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20632205
>Cavedrones
Lmao, typical. The only shmup worth playing is Hellsinker

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>>20632276
You're objectively wrong because the game where pic related comes from exists. I once decided to crossie my way into /m/ and nobody recognised it, if you don't either, you don't get to claim you know shmups.

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>>20632320
>Tfw too retarded to get past stage 2 in basedruga
Also /m/ aren't really about games, they're more anime

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>>20632333
You'll get to it eventually, anon, if you just keep trying hard enough. I thought I'd never do it, but after two months stuck in Stage 3, I had finally beat Uzura ... in practice mode, so I'm still stuck in stage 3. But still, that does mean I might possibly reach stage 4 eventually, who knows, maybe even 5. Not sure if I'll be able to handle the final survival spell though.
>aren't really about games
Eh, they do have a semi-permanent AC thread, and they were having a "favorite video game mech designs" thread that day. It was mostly Battletech and AC, then there was me.

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Just about everything, really. But it's a fanbase so of course things go this way.

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>>20631845
Technically it's not a vague term but it has been misused by some people by skewing the standard and scope of the meaning to fit their narrative.

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>>20548269
elitists and memers

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>>20631010
>>20631061
>mfw*
-_-
*I'm quoting my inner dialogue

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>>20632812
I think that anyone saying you MUST 1CC a game can be safely ignored and honestly, I don't think there are that many people who actually believe that anyway.

But you should play the games. At least play them, they're the series' core.

[Anonymous No.]

Really annoys me when a so called "touhou fan" is actually an EOP. The series is in japanese, you fools. Learn the language.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the most annoying "fans" are the ones that shit on EoSD and the EoSD cast every chance they can get.

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>>20548269
Where do I learn more about Touhou? Is there some ressources except wikipedia to get knowledge?

I'm curious, but not interested to be a fan.

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>>20636759
I'll tell you, but answer me first, where did you come from?

[Anonymous No.]

It seems that no one cares about, or even PLAYS, the games. They are only into the characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20636966
Please lurk before posting

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>>20636961

the stranger i am came from the home page where i saw one of your thread being popular. didnt know it was the place to go if i wanted to talk about touhou. i thought you had to go on some dark and obscure forum to download the fanmade content and other things like that. what im asking for right now is an reliable encyclopedia where i can go through all that stuff. i like fanmade content.

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>>20637028
There is a touhou wiki for general information, although you could just watch a 'what is touhou' video on youtube.
Although Touhou is no longer just a series of games now, with multiple official manga and music CDs, the games remain the core, and any new fan should at least play the games even if they decide that they are too hard or isnt to their liking. There is a megapack which contains all their games and patch files on nyaa.
All in all, even though it might mean different things for different people, Touhou in essence is a silly cute magical girls action series. The gameplay although a bit niche, is accentuated by the incredible atmosphere of the game which is made more prominent by the outstanding BGM, which is the main focus of interest for a lot of fans. The BGM is what Touhou is famous for, with countless fan bands and content still being pumped at an incredible rate, even when Touhou has dropped from the top spot in internet popularity.
I'll also give you a peice of advice, try to lurk the board before asking silly questions you could easily find on google.

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>>20636759
You could do it like I, and probably many other anons, did : go to the wikipedia page, find a list of all games and just binge-read their wiki articles. Don't even need to go crazy clicking on every single hyperlink, usually just reading the plot then reading up on each and every character does it. In the end, I don't know if knowing everything Touhou before ever even having played Touhou would kill the magic of the non-gameplay elements, because it sure as hell didn't for me. I still recommend reading the wiki articles after you've finished a game though, because there will definitely be things you'll miss or that aren't presented in the games itself, but in supplementary material. Or just go balls to the walls and start playing the games straight away, like >>20637117 suggested. I recommend you start with th07 in order to decide if you like the games, though. PCB is much more representative of all the 9 mainline games that follow it : th06 has a rank system more akin to traditional shmups, whereas later titles dismiss it. Also you don't see your hitbox when focused. Not an issue if you're somewhat experienced with shmups, pretty hard if you're new to them. And if you really, really liked what you see, only then I'd say it's good to move onto the PC-98 era, or else the audio and visuals might put you off.

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>>20635709
Ah, the centrist meme. Fuck off you undecided prick. You're either secondary or primary.
>>20636520
For every 1 anti-EoSD fan there is 50 EoSD secondaries. Opinion discarded.

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>>20637623
>>20637117

thank you both

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>>20637810
Is there EoSD primaries?

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>>20638307
Make sure you downloaded the latest version
https://nyaa.pantsu.cat/view/1001493

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>>20638377
I played EoSD a couple of times three years ago do I count

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>>20638307
You can also refer to this >>20556482

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>>20548269
Unsure if some anon mentioned it since I haven't read the thread yet.
But the absolutely overwhelming predominance of guys who want to be girls. Not even in a transgender way. Just in an extreme yearning way. That goes for both the foreign and Japanese fanbase.
Now, this doesn't bother me because I'm some kind of /pol/tard who is set off by perceived "degeneracy", but rather it just makes me worried that something is terribly insecure about the fanbase beyond simple autism. I've spoken to a few individuals with this feeling and they've been just so sad that there's no magic that could turn them cute and female.

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>>20549049
>Girls' Frontline
It is gaining popularity but due to the nature of the content, it is mostly popular with military otaku.

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>>20631845
t. secondary
Only an utter novice would care so much about the use of the term. Real touhou fans don't need to be vocal about how much they've played.

[Anonymous No.]

Daily reminder that you cannot label yourself as as true touhou fan "primary" without being a native japanese.

Any conflicting arguments and opinions towards this statement will be seen as being a secondary.

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>>20643436
Who wouldn't want to be a kawaii mahou shoujo?

[Anonymous No.]

This thread is a good example of a signaling spiral. A useful distinction between those who actually engage with ZUN's own work and those who don't deteriorates into "I am a truer fan than you (despite both of us having played the games, read the manga, etc.)", at first ironically and then sincerely.

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>>20553326
If you are so shit you can't get to the end of at least a few games with continues on normal, I think that's right.

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>>20644127
Some people actually are secondaries though, such as you yourself.

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>>20644215
t. secondary

[Anonymous No.]

This triggers the self-loathing white NEET that base his worth and others' on how much they like a certain japanese bullet hell game

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>>20643847
>>20643956
>>20644345
Fuck off back to /v/

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>>20644445

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>>20644401
Perhaps the same could be said of all religions...

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>>20643956
Overly welcoming bullshit. You're not ``a native Japanese'' if you're from Osaka.

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>>20548269
The fans that try to divide up other fans to themselves feel better or superior get to me the most.
You listen to orchestrated versions of Touhou songs on your mobile at work? Cool
You only get off to Ran raping smaller Youkai and Humans? Thats nice
Met a roller derby amazonian woman when your friends asked you to go watch the game and you had nothing else to do and you accidentally called her Yuugi back at your place after a few drinks? neat
You played the games hard on your old PC/Laptop years ago not knowing your lower FPS made you a better player as you 1cc'ed everything and then the PC upgrade made you realize how shit you really are and stopped playing after TH10 or 12? K.
Been on a rollercoaster with its ups and downs of the series when you got hooked on Alice Stole the Precious Thing and 15 or so years later you are buying sexdolls to resemble Touhous? sure

But watching people making the effort to try and split up fans into categories for a tier list so they can be at the top? Thats gayer than fandom Alice.

oh shit why am i taking a 12 day old troll thread seriously. fuck i put too much effort into this to delete it

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>>20644449
>>>/lit/

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>>20644530
no u

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>>20644529
>You only get off to Ran raping smaller Youkai and Humans?
I didn't before but here we fucking go...

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>>20637810
You're trying so hard to be acknowledged as primary, do you?

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>>20644529
>troll thread
Hating secondaries isn't anything new and it certainly wasn't started by Touhou's fan base or any anons from /jp/. All media has their share of secondaries. Music, books, shows, video games, philosophers, you name it. Fake fans are have been hated for as long as media has existed and your tantrum will not change that.
>>20645532
Speak English before you reply to my posts kudasai.

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>>20645596
oh yeah like those 50-60 year old fat star wars fans calling the people in their 20s not true fans. got it.

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>>20645596
Well too bad /jp/ is secondaries' board.
Why don't you leave if you hate secondaries that much?

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>>20553359
>Gensokyo will never truly break free of its status quo
You can't fault ZUN for that. He created a setting where maintaining the status quo is the point of the setting existing. It's a genuinely brilliant idea.

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>Elitism in the gameplay communities
>People who say they're shit then they go on a depression rant about how lonely and shit they are themselves
>Are obsessed with lolicon in the fandom
doesn't get worse

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>>20548269
secondaries are the best kind of people though. there’s nothing redeemable about touhou other than its characters and perhaps music to a certain extent, anyway

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>>20648133
Then what are you doing on on the Touhou board? Hating your own hobby is considered cool and hip on that video game board, so you should justgo back there.

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>>20648336
not my hobby and this isnt a touhou board either

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>>20648063
Who are you quoting, shitposter-kun?

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>>20648396
Then what the fuck are you even doing in a thread about Touhou? Are you so mentally stunted?
/jp/ IS the Touhou board, if you dont like it go back to whatever manchild shithole you came from.

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>>20648396
>this isnt a touhou board either
Just get out of here.

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>>20649182
>>20650581
tohucucks sheething

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>>20645630
>star wars
Go back.
>>20645643
Go back.
>>20650597
This is the kind of shitposting secondary faggot that infests this board

Fuck off secondary retards.

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>>20650938
But hes right tho. Touhou was infesting /a/, not /v/. /jp/ was created to get Touhou out of /a/

whats its like being both a secondary touhouian and a secondary 4channelianin

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>>20650973
i dont know, you tell me

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>>20650973
Yes. /jp/ is the Touhou board. That is what I was arguinf. You might be retarded.
>>20650996
Nice falseflag.

[Anonymous No.]

Here's my description of the ordinal "rankings" of Touhou fans. Feel free to disagree. I've based this off of empirical evidence from years of observation of /jp/ and other Touhou fan groups.

Primary: Plays official Touhou games and/or reads official Touhou works. Knows quite a lot of Touhou lore. A 1cc is not necessary to be considered a primary, but it gives them bragging rights for sure. They can interact with doujin content if desired without loss of "primary" status.
Secondary: Mostly knows Touhou through doujin content, fan games and other fan works. They may rarely play official Touhou games or drop them because they are "boring" or "too hard". They may have a bit of working knowledge of Touhou canon, but most is probably supplanted by fanon or other speculative theories.
Tertiary: Watched several Touhou MMDs or faps to some Touhou ero doujins, possibly even both. Likely knows not more than a few characters, even then likely only from Booru tags or Youtube comments. It is doubtful whether they even know about ZUN and the official games, let alone official Touhou lore. They likely just want to fap/read their doujins in peace. Note that any Touhou non-ero doujins they may read would be heavily divorced from Touhou canon.
Quaternary: This is a level very divorced from the fanbase, they cannot really be considered much of a Touhou "fan" at this point. They may know Touhou from Walfas, Bad Apple or possibly another spinoff, especially one that is western in origin. If they know any from either of those media, they could very well think of the Touhou girls as built-in "Walfas characters" or "Bad Apple characters", failing to realize that they are consuming spin offs/derivitive works.
Quinary: This is the furthest thing I'd consider a """""fan""""" by this ordinal ranking system. At this point, essentially they are consuming a spinoff of a spinoff of a spinoff. The only example that comes to mind is the whole MAGA crowd and their love for "MAGA awoo girl", aka a Momiji gyate wearing a Trump hat. Hell, this term is essentially meaningless, but it goes to show the pervasiveness of Touhou fan content on the internet.

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>>20651271
you cant be primary without being japanese and living in japan

you are automatically a secondary

rest of the tiers a shit

Shit Tier
Good Tier
God Tier

thats all you need. you adding more levels adds nothing like a girl making a list of things she likes

Primary: japan decent and resident. fan of the series for awhile
Secondary: fan of the series for awhile but outside of japan and non-japanese
Meme: who cares

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>>20651307
I disagree, I do not believe that the knowledge of Japanese and living in Japan is necessary to be a "primary". I always thought that rating system was stupid and frankly it might be b8. By your own ranking system, I can almost guarantee you're a secondary. Few native Japanese post on this board. I just don't understand those who relish in their "gaijin" status as opposed to being a true "Japanese".

However, if you feel that way about Touhou fans, then whatever. I won't try to change your mind.

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>>20651360
>bending the rules so where you get what you want
yeah but nah. weeb translates to secondary

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>>20651378
I don't even know what point you're trying to make so I'll pull the /jp/ classic: who are you quoting?

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>>20651388
This is how I know you are a true secondary. /jp/ did not invent that meme.

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>>20651406
It's a huge meme on here though. I'd even say it's classic on this board. But your entire side of the argument was to call me a secondary? Go for it! I don't care. I just wanted to put my two cents out there.

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>>20651430
>someone else invents something
>other people use it so its theirs now
... so did you invent computers too? i know i did

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>>20651440
It says a lot about our society if you ask me.

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>>20651449
"Theft is ok as long as you use it a lot"
-A quote from Anonymous on the 4th channel board

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>>20651449
>>20651457
actually wait I was mocking you at first but then I remember the terabytes of porn and anime that I created and is mine

[Anonymous No.]

>>20651457
>"Theft is ok as long as you use it a lot"
>-A quote from Anonymous on the 4th channel board
Another quotation rendered in two lines from Anonymous on the Burmese impressionist painting imageboard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20651472
>>20651473
Wow one second apart! I'm proud of you!

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>>20651307
Stop your shitposting and go back to /v/

[Anonymous No.]

All these seething secondaries in denial.

[Anonymous No.]

hello i am a primary

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>>20651523
Hello, I am a secondary and fine with that because being a secondary will not change how I enjoy the series.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20651559
You think you like it but you don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20651440
>>20651449
>>20651457
In summary, using something you didn't invent yourself is theft.

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>>20651643
I think it's safe to say he's a shitposter. None of his arguments are remotely coherent.

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>>20651643
And when you try to claim it as your own.

>jp classic
cmon man

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>>20651559
unacceptable, let me just make a thread about why this is wrong and why you need to like what i like, in the way that i like it, and nothing else!

damn secondaries!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20651656
>>20651657
Shut up, language thieves.

[Anonymous No.]

What happened to the History curriculum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_source

>A Primary Sourcer derives their understanding of Touhou from Touhou media
>A Secondary Sourcer derives it from media which reference Touhou media (like fanworks or news reports). Also, the Japanese for "derivative work" is "secondary work" (though aside from fanfic, this also applies to licensed stories which are written by different people and detached from the original, like that SAO story with the pink gun girl).
>Technically a Tertiary Sourcer is someone who learned about Marisa by looking at her page on Touhouwiki and reading only the "Personality" section rather than any transcripts from official media. But no one uses tertiary that way.

[Anonymous No.]

What happened to the History curriculum?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secondary_source

>A Primary Sourcer derives their understanding of Touhou from Touhou media
>A Secondary Sourcer derives it from media which reference Touhou media (like fanworks or news reports). Also, the Japanese for "derivative work" is "secondary work" (though aside from fanfic, this also applies to licensed spinoffs which are written by different people and detached from the original, like that SAO story with the pink gun girl).
>Technically a Tertiary Sourcer is someone who learned about Marisa by looking at her page on Touhouwiki and reading only the "Personality" section rather than any transcripts from official media. But no one uses tertiary that way.

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>>20652413
Touhou Wiki is also a secondary source, idiot. Touhou Wiki takes from the games and media directly. Not that it matters anyway. Touhou Wiki and Touhou Patch translations are god awful. Anyone who doesn't play the games (whether they be fancontent comsumers or wik readers) is a secondary. Stop being a secondary apologist, secondary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20652689
Why are you so buttblasted? Someone called you a secondary? You have been shitposting and replying to yourself all thread. What are you even doing here if you dont like Touhou?

[Anonymous No.]

fan acid > fan base

[Anonymous No.]

>>20651457
Works for Marisa!

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>>20548269
>What are some things that annoy you about Touhou's "fan"base?
The faggot spouting secondary every post
Secondary shit is why you think of interactions between people like Nue and Toyohime as absurd an example it might be. It can be anything inbetween. Let Anons enjoy what they enjoy. Unless they're sanaefags. >>/jp/thread/S20493220#p20495457 was fucking comedy gold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20653719
Baselsss accusations. You sound like a buttblasted secondary, secondary.
>>20655706
Shut the fuck up faggot.

From here I declare secondaries eternally BTFO. The amount of butthurt this thread generated is hilarious. Dumb fucking secondary faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20656978
Oh but on the contrary, I have the last laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20656978,1
no