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2554205 No.2554205 [Reply] [Original]

I want to ask this before weekend /jp/ starts and I'll never get a serious answer.

I work as an assistant teacher for english in a high school that will remain anonymous. The lead teacher for the class is off on pregnancy leave and I needed something to keep the students busy for the next few weeks till school is over (they have already taken finals early.) So my best friend (lead comp. lab tech) and I came up with a great idea. Let the students play the first episode of Umineko and then hold a magic vs. no magic debate, with me playing devil's advocate if needed. Now most of my students are fairly intelligent and even the "thug niggas" can hold a fairly deep argument sometimes.

Now for the questions.

How long would ep.1 take?
I own a hard copy of Umineko ep.4, are there any legal issues for using it as a teaching aide, and if there are, would I be caught?
Is this even a good idea?

>> No.2554213

>Is this even a good idea?

No. Whats wrong with you?

>> No.2554218

you want to be known as the fagot weeaboo teacher?

>> No.2554219

Teach high school kids that software piracy is A-OK, great fucking idea.

Y'aughta be disbarred.

>> No.2554230

>>2554218
>>2554219
Ya'll sounding kinda butthurt.

>> No.2554240

you can use the free demo on the website then use the english patch for the demo by witch hunt

>> No.2554248

OP Said he'd be making them read Ep1, which you can download for free(demo) from the umineko site. However, episode 1 is so boring compared to the other 3...

Anyway, you should do it. It should only take a few days to a week to read, anyway.

>> No.2554250

>>2554218

Usually as long as any other anime opener.
No one would care if you showed a bunch of kids anime.
This is a horrible idea.

If you want to give them something to debate on, show them Lucky Star and have them discuss the age of the characters.

>> No.2554253

This is an absolutely awful idea.

Not that I haven't seen TAs come up with less entertainingly awful ideas.

>> No.2554258

>>2554205

I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be legal issues since the people who make Umineko don't seem to give a shit about that, and episode 1 would run about ten hours. Probably a bit long for even a reasonably intelligent, decent-attention-span high school kid to stomach. But do it if you want.

>> No.2554260

let them watch The Good The Bad and The Ugly
now THAT is good entertainment

>> No.2554281

>>2554205
Just show movies or shit. Is it that hard to be a substitute teacher for a class?

>> No.2554282

I don't think it's a bad idea.

Episode 1 is a free demo anyway. And it's probably more interessting than doing other shitty stuff. So ignore the faggots and go for it.

>> No.2554297

If this happened to me back in high school, I would probably be embarrassed for the TA. Take that however you will.

>> No.2554309

Well, on the one hand, you will surely be categorized as a loser if you do this.

On the other, you might win some fans over and it'll probably be more fun.

Up to you.

>> No.2554318

I'd have loved it, and I'm sure some will, but you have to realize just how strange it is. You probably won't be the "faggot weeaboo teacher" as the game itself doesn't really obsess over Japan, and there wouldn't be any legal issues with episode one being the demo, but I can't think of it going over too well.

Even if you did get everybody to play it and like it, we can't say how likely that is, then there's not much to a humans vs magic debate, the only thing there really is to debate is how much the magic applies to what is actually going on. Nobody actually thinks the magic side is reality, and even playing the devil's advocate will just appeal to human nature and emotional frailty rather than logic, which doesn't really work at a classroom level.

And the whole magic side doesn't really come into effect until two anyway. Go for it if you want, it will probably be more entertaining than whatever else they're doing, and some may like it, but don't expect too much. Oh god did I just type all of this up what's wrong with me.

>> No.2554322

>>2554205

HAHA, SHIT I WOULD BE SO EMBARASSED IF I HAD TO DO THIS PLEASE DON'T.

>> No.2554327

>>2554318
>as the game itself doesn't really obsess over Japan
Since when was anything more than "being vaguely related with Japan" a requirement for something to be classified as "anime and stuff"?

>> No.2554329

Class, do you think Uuu~ is moe?

>> No.2554335

OP, here.
Maybe 2% of the kids here even know what anime is, so exposing them will be a non-issue. They won't even know what they're looking at. Plus, they'll be reading. Not watching.

And thanks for the input, I'll use the demo instead of the game, and 10 hours is about a two weeks, so that's perfect.

And we already watched The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Along with about 5 B-grade kung-fu films. And all of Dirty Harry.

>> No.2554338

I say do it and come to /jp/ and share the students' reactions for our entertainment. Honestly who gives a shit if a bunch of high school kids think you're a faggot.

>> No.2554342

>>2554335
Aww fuck, Im so jealous!

When I was in highschool, they were showing it, but the fags plugged in their Dreamcast and played MvC2.

Good times.

>> No.2554343

>>2554335
Plus the lead teacher has made them read worse shit. She's a preaching Oprah book club member. Imagine it.

>> No.2554351

Make them read Saya no Uta and debate about the importance of aesthetics.

Hard mode: Avoid being vanned for giving porn to minors.

>> No.2554352

Episode 1 is slow and boring, the pace only picks up during the last part of the game. I don't think it's suitable for what you want to do.

>> No.2554354

Jesus christ, I haven't left my apartment in 2 years and even I have enough social tact to see how utterly stupid this is.

If you want your students calling you a weirdo and a retard feel and possibly getting calls from concerned parents, go ahead. If you want your students to respect you in the slightest just play some movies. Or better yet, make them all play Risk.

>> No.2554366

Allow me to swim in your titties, Shannon.

>> No.2554367

>>2554354
Your a boring fag who has played to much KS.

>> No.2554376

>>2554354
How does being shown an unknown medium tactless?

>> No.2554389

Students will always hate something they're forced to read.

>> No.2554400

>>2554367
>>2554376
VNs are VNs. There's no reason for high school kids to be playing them for education, especially one with art as bad as Umineko and a plot as boring as episode 1. It's not even that good of a story.

Also, I hardly think parents would like they're kids reading about a VN involving black magic.

>> No.2554423

Uuu

>> No.2554425

Turns out this entire thread is OP's class.

>> No.2554435

>>2554400
Stories are stories. Regardless of medium. Though you might be right about Umineko not being the best pick, I haven't read it yet myself.

>> No.2554438

>>2554205
>magic debate
>episode 1

This doesn't work.

>> No.2554447

OP here.

In retrospect, this'll be to much work for me. I don't even care anymore. I'm going to force the students to watch Django.

New topic. Give me movies.

>> No.2554450
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2554450

>English class
>want to debate about magic

Real class relevant.

And either way, you should look into starting a new career path.

>> No.2554453

>>2554447
Grave of the Fireflies.

>> No.2554466

>>2554453

Seconding this.

>> No.2554468

>>2554453
Wow, the whole thread is about OP being a weaboo faggot and this is the first movie suggestion.

>> No.2554484

I hope there are more than 13 people in your class with you.

But it's a terrible idea, they wouldn't understand even the slightest bit of it, it's full of weeaboo references and they had to memorise the honorfic system.

>> No.2554485

The Fifth Element

>> No.2554489

>>2554447
Have those little shits watch Network so they don't vote for that dumbass Obama when they graduate.

>> No.2554492

Have them watch Rashemon. Excellent movie.

>> No.2554495

>>2554489
oh you

>> No.2554499

>>2554489
explain this Network

>> No.2554507

>>2554438
Seconded. The first episode isn't really useful for your objective and all other episodes are illegal so.. I don't think it's a good idea.

>> No.2554510

>>2554447
Groundhog day

>> No.2554520

>>2554495
Liberalfag.

Obama sure is doing a nice job cutting the budget down to balance it liked he promised. If I didn't know better I would say that you people are hypocrites for blasting Bush on the bail-out yet hailing Obama for his own bail-out on an even bigger and more corruptible scale.

I sure hope ACORN gets their millions of dollars from that stimulus bill, they sure earned it for cheating on the ballots.

>> No.2554518

>>2554468
>weaboo

/b/ refugee spotted.

And of course there are going to be weeaboo recommendations on /jp/, we're all weeaboos.

>> No.2554541

>>2554520
All politicians are scum. Get used to it. Voting for the republican in 2012 will get you another asshole, and nothing will have improved.

>> No.2554552

>>2554520
Sure troll attempt is here, let's see how successful it'll be

>> No.2554558

>>2554541
Palin will change everything around for the better when she becomes President. Just you wait.

>> No.2554561

OP, I think you realize that the general concensous is that this is a pretty bad idea and may cause some butthurt to moralfags. If you feel like you must jam it in the kids' throats, at least do a movie like >>2554453 or even a live-action film like "Ran" or some other Kurosawa film and compare the Shakespherean themes for fuck's sake. (Inb4 /jp/ not about actual Japanese culture.) At the very minimum, find a series that has something to do with some western ideas and themes and just go with that.

Though if you do it, reaction pics of your class are required...

>> No.2554572

>>2554447

If they've seen The Good the Bad and the Ugly then you need to show them Once Upon a Time in the West, too.

>> No.2554576

>>2554520

I'm sure things wouldn't be much better with McCain as President. I'm extremely tired of liberal and conservative shitheads trying to present their own versions of the facts. There need to be some actual fact facts, God damn it.

To get back on the subject, if OP really wants to indulge in some weeabooness with his class, he should assign them an old Kurosawa movie, or maybe something by Koreeda, since that guy likes to make films with lots of symbolism to talk about in class. Umineko isn't quite right for this sort of thing.

>> No.2554604

>>2554561

>Implying Umineko has nothing to do with western ideas

Wait, have you even READ Umineko? It makes tons of references to western literature. The whole thing is pretty much And Then There Were None in VN format(Episode 1, at least).

>> No.2554649

>>2554561
Why does it have to have western ideas and themes? God forbid kids are exposed to different cultures.

>> No.2554665

>>2554649
It's a fucking English class

>> No.2554676

>>2554665
Did you read Op's post?
ENGLISH IS OVER, FREE TIME MOTHERFUCKER.

>> No.2554745

>>2554665
First, English!=Western. Second, I read a lot of translated literature in my English classes.

>> No.2554750

>>2554604
> It makes tons of references to western literature.
You think so because you are a westerner.
You are just searching references from your knowledge, which consists of Western things and Japanese otaku media, aren't you?
But Umineko's plot mainly has references of Japanese movies and literatures.

>> No.2554772

うみねこは文学(笑)

>> No.2554773

>>2554750

So I guess all those magic circles actually come from Japanese folklore. Silly me, I didn't even realize.

>> No.2554796

>>2554750
Just because there are Japanese references doesn't change the fact that there are also a lot of Western references.

>> No.2554807

>>2554649

Okay, maybe I forgot about ol' Agatha and her ten negros, but let's face it, if you had the choice to present either a film or a VN to a class of students who according to OP are unfamilliar with such things, most logical people would go for the film. Not only is it much more compressed to fit the ideas that you need to teach, but there is a considerably less larger of a hurdle to jump in terms of, you know, actually getting the class to participate. A VN would require the students to somehow surmount:

1. Tech, not every kid may have a computer. This probably is not the case, but still. Plus, people tend to be extremely stupid when it comes to computers. I know students who pass AP/IB tests and can't tell me what an OS is. Sad, but true.
2. Again, the issue of time, I probably shouldn't have been so ignorant for not mentioning having not played the VN. But if OP, wishes to give the kids an actual chance at an education, spending at least two weeks on what is tantamount to a weeaboo fancy, is not how to go about it.
3. Inevitable moralfaggotry, I would like to see how you would defend a 2D VN with highly questionable aspects, given the stigma that otaku and anime culture is centered around violence, H, and other unsavory topics to normals, in front of an angry whore of a mom. GG wasting the time/money/etc. of the students and making the school, yourself, and all parties involved look like faggots in court.

Besides, OP gave up on VN. So the issue is more or less dead and proven to be a really bad idea.

>> No.2554810

>>2554400
Medium isn't a big problem.
For example, Higurashi has already been published as a novel series in Japan.
If it had been translated into English, did you think that it wasn't bad for education although original game was?

>> No.2554850

>>2554772
You are a moron.
Point of an argument is whether non-literature is OK for education.

>> No.2554870

>>2554796
> doesn't change
does change

>> No.2554891

Why not go with something free like Narcissu?

>> No.2554898

>>2554891
The first episode of Umineko is free.

>> No.2554942
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2554942

...
You want to bring something like VN's into a public highschool --a place with a considerably large amount of normalfags who most likely think MTV is cool-- and use it as some sort of education medium?
I wish I could reach through the internet and choke you.

>> No.2555436
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2555436

>>2554942
Anime got popular with normalfags, why wouldn't it be possible for VNs?

The original idea would be awesome, and especially if you'd post about it on /jp/, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea either. It would be awesome, though.

And these people are right that episode 1 enough is not enough for a magic vs. no magic debate.

Also, this thread lacks pictures.

>> No.2555500

I haven't read it, but if the translation quality is the same as most translated VNs (both amateur and pro translations) it's definitely not suitable for English classes.

>> No.2555558

>>2554676
In that case...

introduce them to Touhou.

>> No.2556246

Seriously wtf? OP seems to be too much of a normalfag for not realizing what he has asked for.

Just give them Brave New World to read and discuss it afterwards, it's pretty short and relevant to the present times.

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