Japanese Learning Thread

[Anonymous No.]

How long does it take to learn Japanese /jp/? If i study everyday and try to learn everything about the Japanese language can i eventually become fluent like a native speaker?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
Unless you learn the language as a child you will always sound like a fucking retard. That is just the way it works. I am truly sorry for your lots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689066
>Unless you learn the language as a child you will always sound like a fucking retard

Ok but what about the people who are fluent and can speak on a native level and learned it later in life?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
>If i study everyday and try to learn everything about the Japanese language can i eventually become fluent like a native speaker?
no.
i don't know why people think like this. japanese is not a language you can learn in a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
Sorry you can't learn Japanese, give up

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689155
that's because they spend years practicing nonstop unlike you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689157
>i don't know why people think like this. japanese is not a language you can learn in a year.

No shit i meant study everyday for months or years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689170
>Sorry you can't learn Japanese, give up

No lol fuck off weeb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689186
>unlike you.

You're implying i do not practice? lol GTFO the anime man you arrogant narcissistic piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

Just wait a decade or two and the Japanese language will be 50% English.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder why I reply to this shit.
I already know who makes it before I even reply.
Dogshite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689329
>Just wait a decade or two and the Japanese language will be 50% English.

Because the country will be full of niggers.

[Anonymous No.]

nail in the coffin.
crossboarder.

[Anonymous No.]

Stop spamming your shit retarded ban evader

>>27688041

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689333

Why do you?

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

No point in making this threads, you'll just get the "hurr durr you'll never learn it" screeching autists desperate for gatekeeping /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

Tell me What this means

[Anonymous No.]

its takes a few years to communicate in a basic level (only talk) and it takes like 10years if u wanna write and read

[Anonymous No.]

anyone know what this says? i found it buried on my pc and cant figure it out

[Anonymous No.]

>>27714263
N4-level Japanese learner desu. No fucking idea. That shit looks like ancient seal script (you know, that shit that appeared in Avatar: The Last Airbender).

I mean, well, I can kind of distinguish 元人詩可小？琴（？）展長櫻命？？金？法
But it might just be Chinese or Taiwanese or something. It's got no kana, so it's probably something else. Hell, it might even be Vietnamese.

[Anonymous No.]

2200 hours to be able to read, write, listen, and speak at a competent level. 5000 hours to get to a point where you don't totally suck at those things. If you're inefficient, like spending hours reading/listening to English explanations of etymology and specific detailed grammar points it will take you multiple lifetimes. If you go a day without reading or listening to Japanese you will have lost a week of work. If you never practice by trying to read, listen, and interact with native material made by Japanese for Japanese you'll hit a wall and never get past it. Yes you could eventually be native level if you stuck to it long enough.

でも日本語が話せない私に聞かないの方がいい

[Anonymous No.]

>>27725693
日本語を話せないのお前は何故このクソッタレスレに新人に助言をもらってる？

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689066
Check out Heisig’s intro in RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
I keep getting called ゴキ. What does this mean? "Friend"? "Gentleman"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27727678
It's probably short for ゴキブリ. Are you of Middle Eastern descent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27725693
>If you go a day without reading or listening to Japanese you will have lost a week of work
sounds like complete bullshit desu, this is like saying if you miss the gym for a day all your gains will just magically fucking vanish

[Anonymous No.]

>>27725693
>>27725762
どっちも話せないけどね

[Anonymous No.]

>>27727678

[Anonymous No.]

>>27725762
>>27730292
まあ楽しかったけどまあ

>>27730126
Your brain is not a muscle and forgetting things you don't use isn't magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27733417
You're talking about losing a week's worth in a day, I doubt it. And even if you don't read or listen to anything in Japanese in that day, you can still think about things around you in 日本語 and it'll be better than nothing. I mean shit, you don't forget what "hypotenuse" means even if you're not doing trigonometry every day, why would your memory be so unforgiving with Japanese specifically?

[Anonymous No.]

エグい

[Anonymous No.]

>>27725517
the big title just says "manga"
February edition

the other stuff is too small and blurry for me to look at

[Anonymous No.]

so many faggot gatekeepers here

[Anonymous No.]

>>27738047

Yes, now fuck off back to whichever board or website you came from.

[Anonymous No.]

japanese is impossible to learn if you only know european languages.
its literally never been done.
u can get close tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/jp/djt

[Anonymous No.]

is this thread djt now

[Anonymous No.]

>>27738787
yea

[Anonymous No.]

>>27738047
sorry you can't come to /jp/ and talk, act and force idiocy like you can on other boards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27738739
What do you mean by that.
I'm sure the poles would be able to learn it, same with something like swedes(?).
Unless you mean learning something like Ruski or German and trying to learn Japanese which I also don't understand the reasoning for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689157
Well, it's possible to get an N2 if you really grind the language in a year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27739628
N2 and still really suck at trying to have real meaningful conversations with native speakers

[Anonymous No.]

>>27730126
They did not vanish. Your brain just changes the "partition table" and you need to repeat at least the part of the information to remember it again.
For example, now I can remember jackshit from the Strength of materials because the last time I used it was 12 years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27739672
Well, yes. But it's better than nothing.
Every language is sucks when you don't practice the conversations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27738963
it differs from every european language in every single way. from the way it sounds, to how it is written, to the culture.
i want you to find me one adult person who learned japanese to a native level and only knew european languages before.
trust me, you will never find this person. if you know chinese, or korean you will have a much easier time.
people who got close:
dogen, mattvsjapan, etc.
but they full time dedicated for over 8 years and still they're not native level yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27725693
>like spending hours reading/listening to English explanations of etymology and specific detailed grammar points
So I should just learn the basic explanation about a piece of grammar and fully understand it by intuition after using it a lot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689271
10 years of 24/7 studying is still not enough to talk to your hololive girlriend.
there is a reason why we say that you cannot learn japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27757233
well yeah, if you don't get any sleep you'll just die in the first year and spend the remainder of those years being dead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27757233
>10 years of 24/7 studying is still not enough to talk to your hololive girlriend
I'm sorry, but this has already been debunked by Snopes.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/IARguDQIGVs

[Anonymous No.]

>>27738047
>so many faggot gatekeepers here

This.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27710214

Yeah i see that now.

[Anonymous No.]

how much of japanese is just bastardized english? seems like at least half

[Anonymous No.]

>>27801812
Japanese is so shit not even the japs want to use it

[Anonymous No.]

>>27801812
The grammar is pretty alien. You also have to learn a lot of Japanese vocabulary or it will be incomprehensible. Many English words end up getting shortened to the point that they are unrecognizable to English speakers. They might as well be Japanese words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27801812
Very little. Majority of words are Chinese, which never get used.

[Anonymous No.]

bump.

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>27725659
>Might even be Vietnamese

lol

[Anonymous No.]

4chan ain't really the best place to ask lol, but yeah, even after living for a decade in Japan few westerners actually end up fluent. Still, N4 level is a somewhat realistic long-term goal - and whilst you're not going to be able to sit down and read an academic article at N4 level, you could easily get by living in Japan without having to rely much on Japanese friends / coworkers etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27801812
Only seems like half if your knoweldge of Japanese exclusively comes from anime, J-pop and vtubers. Most Japanese people use very little English in conversation unless speaking to foreigners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27852115
In saying that, younger people are more likely to pepper their speech with English than people aged 30 and older.

[Anonymous No.]

what do all these words mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>27857393
I can only recognize Don Quijote

[Anonymous No.]

>>27858255
Yeah I know that one too but I don't know the meaning in this case, I tried looking it up and seeing if it was a common expression, because for context in the video his mom is calling him all these things. I couldn't find anything, but Don Quixote comes up a lot of times in Japan, most notably the chain of stores.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
Shouldn't be long until you can talk with a Japanese person about the weather.

Talking with them is also the easiest way to learn if you can get over making a fool of yourself everytime you speak. So after you learn to say simple shit, I recommend jumping straight into conversations with actual people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27857393
what a blast from the past

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
If you have to ask, then most likely you can't.
Prove us wrong you fucking pussy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
>can i eventually become fluent like a native speaker?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27757233

LMAO I had 2 friends that went to japan to study, and after 2 years of living there they were already speaking like natives (maybe the accent was kinda off?), I was there for a month for vacation and hung out with them a bunch and they spoke so fucking fast with so many people about so much different shit.

The only people that say you can't learn it or put some extreme barriers are just losers with loser mentalities, hence why they browse /jp/ out of all the fucking boards

[Anonymous No.]

>>27738800

this board is full of the worst type of people. everyone spends literally all day circlejerking about the same shit, it's even worse than reddit because people actively look for people who seem to be "outsiders", trully pathetic, there is a reason your parents dislike you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27927688
low-key the real answer is moving to Japan for an extended period and forcing yourself into social situations where you have to rely on speaking Japanese to get by. You absolutely dekinai if you sperg out in your home country for however many years. Even in Japan you have to make sure you aren't just spending all your time with English speakers and are making constructive efforts to speak, listen, and constantly improve while making inevitable mistakes. That last part being the final boss most guys have the largest trouble overcoming.

You throw some russian mail order whore in Japan and she'll be conversation in a few months simply because she's not approaching it like an academic and speaks to her new nip overlords a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

I was looking for a place to post this, check out this exquisite comment i just found on a youtube video, just drink it in and enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27928591
thanks anon, that was a juicy treat.

I still don't get why Japanese is made out as the Mt. Everest of languages. Its not easy but for fucks sake its not THAT impossible. Pure native-level fluency and flawless execution of 3000 kanji? sure thats probably a pipe-dream but getting the kana and basic kanji down and enough grammar and vocab to be conversation is like 1 year of intensive, immersive study tops. 3-6 months if you do a study abroad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
well you can literally never become a "native" speaker, but you can become fluent.

>>27689066
>Unless you learn the language as a child you will always sound like a fucking retard.
true for some people but not all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
You can become fluent enough to have conversations and read/write it just fine with a few years of hard work. You'll almost certainly always be picked out by native speakers as someone that learned Japanese later in life, but that happens even with people that learn languages very close to their own. If you really want to learn Japanese, I wish you good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
It's a lifelong endeavor, of course. I'd seriously think about your future with the Japanese and your career and such. Go to Japan, make some Japanese friends (online or otherwise). See if its for you on that level, see if you even like the Japanese, or if they like you. I say this not to be harsh, but having achieved "fluency", I went to Japan only to realize no one really socializes, then I realized after talking to a few people I didn't really like socializing either. In fact, I realized I was pretty much anti-social in both languages and I wish I took that time to learn to code rather than a language. Doom posting aside, after like a year I could read manga and light novels without breaking out the dictionary too much, so I'd say about ~2 years you'll be able to hold a conversation with an adult about what's been happening on the news.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27930838
this guy has the right idea. hard to think someone would regret learning Japanese if they are posting on /jp/ about it, but I suppose its possible. For me, I find the language incredibly a e s t h e t i c and pleasant to the ears. That alone keeps me wanting to perfect my speaking skills, the rest is just gravy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27928752
>well you can literally never become a "native" speaker, but you can become fluent.

I disagree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27931309
project harder. 強い意志があれば、だれでもできるさ。ま、お前みたいにクズ人間にはやっぱり無理かも。それにしても他の奴と相談するな、虫けら共。

[Anonymous No.]

>>27931871
>強い意志があれば、だれでもできるさ。ま、お前みたいにクズ人間にはやっぱり無理かも。

Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27931871
そう…
そうですか…

[Anonymous No.]

A good motivator for studying is having 0 friends for over 7 years ; )

[Anonymous No.]

>>27932083
がんばって、あのんちゃま！あなたはつよい！

[Anonymous No.]

日本人はゴミ

[Anonymous No.]

>>27931309
with what? the first part, or the second?
because if it's the first part then my only point was that "native" speakers of a language speak it natively, so you can't "become" a "native" speaker later in life. although you might be able to pass for one with enough practice / if you're talented enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27932640
unrelated to your post but this motherfucking pair gave my young self an ear-nibbling fetish. well, and onee-shota too I guess
>>27932774
うふふ、彼奴できるわけないでしょう？もう「できない」と言う決めたんだから仕方がありませんもの。

[Anonymous No.]

>>27933366
Nao does look younger than a middle schooler too

[Anonymous No.]

>>27933366
If he was 3d before production, he'd have such an expensive face lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>27933257
That's something a Japanese person would say :3

[Anonymous No.]

>>27933624
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27934624
Naotas a hottie

[Anonymous No.]

>>27935003
Anno certainly has a type when it comes to shotas. Takkun was definitely meant to be attractive. also Haruko's design is basically a female Kaoru

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689066
fuckin cope its called shadowing
https://youtu.be/6eK-9JehqOg?t=181

[Anonymous No.]

>>27935131
>tfw he calls you aneki during his first timeu

[Anonymous No.]

>>27935343
are are so many negro-weebs better at sounding OK in Japanese relative to others? Its definitely a trend and I say that as a frothing racist.

[a No.]

おはよう

[Anonymous No.]

>>27935343
This is a good reason why you dont want to live in Japan, unless you've got some good cashflow, don't make a living there

[Anonymous No.]

>>27935397
stop, I can only get so wet

[Anonymous No.]

>>27933257
でもさあ、ちゆうばすはッ火っチサっッよりたのしです。

[Anonymous No.]

Dw if u ever meet an important japanese person tell them this so they believe youre native speaker
>アホ弁上手にゃあん。

[Anonymous No.]

>>27932640
>>27933624
>>27935003
>>27935131
>>27935397
Please、rise for the oneeshota national anthem.
https://youtu.be/m-EbLkGI-mU

[Anonymous No.]

This is for someone like anno or miyazaki if you happen to meet them in a mcdonalds.
>日本弁できなあいから~だが、ボクのアホ弁さペラペラ じゃん！マジかんうまえ！
In a teasing tone manner even the yakuza will believe(shinji) you

[Anonymous No.]

>>27852115
is that so? I remember hearing that a good amount of kanji were being replaced by english loan words in recent times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27935717
>>27936890
>When u and ototo kun come back from the library with 0 fwendz

[Anonymous No.]

i've been wondering this for a long while now, but recently i asked some japanese people if they really thought クレープが食べたい meant the crepes were the subject of the sentence, inducing the desire to eat, or 本が読める meant the book was the subject of the sentence, in the state of being readable. and they thought i was being stupid, of course the former meant '(i) want to eat crepes' and the latter meant '(i) can read the book'. i asked them shouldn't it be クレープを食べたい and they said both ways parse out into the same meaning and nuance in their minds

this tells me they don't have alien brains, but actually think just like me, and sometimes intuitively use が to mark the object of a sentence. in クレープが食べたい, they are doing the action of desiring to eat crepes. in ここがわかりません, they are doing the action of not understanding the thing. and so on

[Anonymous No.]

>>27943755
They really just don't understand what the difference between a subject and an object is - their language/brain is too different for them to get it -, so they cant explain what they are doing to you in those terms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27951508
this might be true if they didn't think that you can replace が with を in such sentences. they clearly think the crepes and books are objects and (they) are the doer or actor, the subject

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck learning chinkshit bug language OP. Learn German or Russian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27952959
we're talking about japanese, not chinese anon. nobody here is trying to beat off chairman mao in tiananmen square for social credit points

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
A billion years. Unlike other Asian languages, Japanese conjugates their verbs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27738704
>>27738800
>>27757233
>>27952959
You guys type like Redditors. Please kill yourselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27755361

I feel that people like Dogen can read and communicate just about any thought or feeling they have, what's the difference between that and being "native level"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27959595
he still clearly makes mistakes in both pronunciation and word choice.
dogen admits these mistakes, but also if you read natives comments on his videos they will point out how he does not sound completely native although he is impressive.
anyway, dogen takes a long time to plan out and record his videos and there are still mistakes in them.
imagine in a real world environment he'd be worse.

he may be fluent in many ways. but def not native level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27725762
cringe

[Anonymous No.]

why do you guys make such a big deal about pitch accent? as long as you use the right words and don't fuck up the grammar not sounding like a native Tokyoite is ok. Osakans sound pretty fucking retarded you know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27968051
its technically pitch accent, but plays out like emphasis does in English where it can make natives not understand what you said until you repeat yourself. Some words are more finnicky than others, and yeah it matters somewhat what part of Japan you are speaking in.

acting like pitch isn't a part of spoken Japanese is a dekinai cope tactic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27969272
i'm not trying to cope i'm just pointing out that your initial focus should be on grammar, kanji and vocab. my accent got a lot better once i started to work with japanese people on a daily basis so that's a thing that will come naturally i think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27969381
oh I agree, its just definitely something to be mindful of when going into it. If it triggers you beyond belief that Japanese has pitch accents its better to give up than sperg out about how it isn't real like I've seen some do.

Pitch accent is the final component of hatsuon techniques that come along when you are working towards fluency and talking to people. I blew my wad more on the pronunciation side before my grammer and kanji caught up so I am in a weird position, but the plus side is I can trick random nips into thinking I am close to fluent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27969585
>pitch accents
truman did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=illApgaLgGA

At 21:07 in this video, he says it takes 2200 hours to acquire Japanese according to the State Department of the US.

If this is to be trusted, you can at learn it in less time than I've put into certain game franchises.
You have way more resources than anybody just 20 years ago, so you have a way better shot than anyone using traditional learning methods. You also
Of course, this isn't becoming native level, but I'm sure it's possible. If you god "try-hard mode" and utilize all the new resources no one has 20 years ago, you have such a better shot.
I think the most important thing is to enjoy the process enough so that you actually keep doing it. Once you get to mid level, maybe try watching some anime with Japanese subtitles or none at all.
If you emmerse yourself with nippon hard enough, you will become nippon yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27952959
Chink means Chinese, retard. And there are literally zero reasons to learn Russian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27970933
>And there are literally zero reasons to learn Russian.
негр

[Anonymous No.]

So I've been casually learning both webdev and nihongo for a little bit, but I'm thinking of focusing on one or the other. Is the years-long struggle to go full nihongo ubermensch worth it employment wise? Or should I just abandon my otaking hobbies and focus on developing a more marketable job skill?

Personally, I like learning and applying nihongo more than learning and applying javascript. I'm just worried that at the end of the tunnel it'll be the opposite and the jobs utilizing nihongo will suck. Not really into teaching, socializing or interpreting, so coding seems like a more realistic life choice than trying to become 4th gen holostar en.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27972107
If you have a basic understanding of japanese the most effective way to learn is to work together with japanese people. that's what i did, i worked for 2 years in a japanese ramen shop. all my colleagues were japanese and conversed with them everyday. my chef even gave me a bit of responsibility after a few months. i had weeks were all i would speak was japanese and nothing else since i was at work all the time. if you can arrange something like that and work on your webdev career on the side you will have good chances to work in japan after they open up again i think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27972107
>webdev
enjoy competition with millions of pajeets

[Anonymous No.]

>>27972295
Work from home is my holy grail though.

>>27972264
Not sure if my smol burger brain can take simultaneous high impact multi-linguistic education, and I've heard horror stories about working/coding in japan (ie black companies).

It's more a question of "will the endgame of nihongo afford me a cushy employment position (in Japan OR murrica) the same way aspiring to be a freelance work from home code god would?" Or would I just be competing for extrovert positions like interpreter, teacher, etc? More important than the learning process is what good comfy employment options I'll have if I try hard and actually succeed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27972690
if you don't from the depths of your heart for an unreasonable reason want to live and work in japan i guess there is not a reason to learn the language then. black companies are not something limited to japan, like in any capitalist country you have to be able to put your foot down, know a good lawyer and your rights as a worker.
on the other hand, japan has a lack of professionals and they're looking for foreign talent actively so there's also that. you probably won't earn more than in america though, america is the endgame when it comes to money. if you're about that stay in the states.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27972690
>Work from home is my holy grail though.
Pajeets can work from their homes too, ever seen a freelancing site?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27972936
Sure, but can they write code instead of just copying it? If check==true: print("naked dogeza.")

>>27972856
Webdev it is then, and maybe nihongo later. I can't exactly be a foreign professional without a profession, economic security matters to me (tfw no rich parents with passive-earning dividend portfolio).

That, and I'm not confident in the market viability of pursuing a vtubing career as a bilingual holostar boomer who sings hammy hot-blooded tone deaf karaoke from decades past and plays incredibly niche games that are seen as out of date, let alone my performative abilities as a literal autist. And with no backup career plan for using nihongo, I suppose it's just not a good life choice.

Oh well. Thanks for the advice senpaitachi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27973663
>Sure, but can they write code instead of just copying it?
you think HR can tell the difference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27973894
They can. if they were to use an indian they would not write up a vacancy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27973894
That's why my goal is networking (with people, not tubes) and trying to erect a freelance client base. On the other hand, I also love "otaku media" and have always wanted to (but put off) learning japanese. And now that I'm at an impasse in life in this year of corona-chan, it's basically a choice between pursuing a pipe dream I'm passionate about vs pursuing conventional employment opportunities for money.

That's why I came here wondering about the opportunity cost of a man learning nihongo over a productivity skill. If I can't nenechi my way into e-fame through sheer persistence due to not being kawaii desu, I was hoping there'd be other lucrative opportunities where native knowledge of the english language alone could be leveraged to secure a decent job.

After all, trying to be better than pajeet is less daunting than having spend thousands of hours just to have to start at square one years down the line if japanese employers still expect you to know a real skill beyond just being a native speaking anglochad.

[Anonymous No.]

how do I stop being an ankidrone and get to learning grammar
>inb4 just watch more anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>27974283
A Dictionary of Basic, Intermediate and Japanese Grammar is an excellent resource but not a very good book to learn from if you are a complete beginner. Tae Kim is actually good enough. After completing that you can take a look at the dictionaries since you will have a base level of understanding to go from. As the name suggests, those books are dictionaries to look up stuff in rather than grammar guides

[Anonymous No.]

>>27974283
have you read tae kim?
what anki deck are you using?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27974559
and Advanced*

[Anonymous No.]

>>27974283
Read tae kim
Read manga with tae kim open on the side

[Anonymous No.]

>>27974283
あなた わりんごでえあ べんきょう する か?

Behold,my best attempt at asking if you've tried to study lingodeer. Kana is lesson 0. Structure, grammar and definitions are lesson one onward. Do your casual full sentence reps bruh. Learning your memory reps is only useful if you first know how to use the words you're memorizing, otherwise you're just filling your head with aimless words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27974561
Currently reading through tae kim, but it's just not sticking, maybe I'll do >>27974880 this.
>>27974938
>>27974561
ありがとうございます

[Anonymous No.]

I love vocaloid music, but I have no motivation to learn japanese anymore. Would there be any good reasons or motivations for me to learn japanese if I plan on being a vocaloid producer? Is being a Miku fan and wanting to be a vocaloid producer enough of a reason to actually learn japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27974938
>Kana is lesson 0
yeah, and you should have learned that a non-sinojapanese word like "lingodeer" should be written in katakana

[Anonymous No.]

>>27975525
Nothing beyond the basic/intermediate level. if you were to start from zero right now i would say no but if you know a decent chunk of japanese already i'd say try a bit harder for a while and you'll be good to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27975519
In my experience tae kim was a slog to get through because I tried too hard to remember everything. Once I read the whole guide in 7 days and just started reading manga, it was easier to just go back to tae kim for a refresher

[Anonymous No.]

>>27975525
lmao, I started learning jap before I got into vocaloid, I got the old games for PSP that were never released outside of japan and could play them because the menus are in engrish katakana

[Anonymous No.]

>>27975927
I made a short summary of conjugations and grammatical form in two pages and pasted them on my wall

[Anonymous No.]

躡躇
fuck chinese subbers getting all the kanji wrong
躊躇

[Anonymous No.]

>>27857393
>Galo Sengan
Based

[Anonymous No.]

watch nip tv (not anime)

[Anonymous No.]

>>27978086
This is pretty efficient desu

[Anonymous No.]

こんなスレあったんだ
みんな勤勉だなぁ
がんばってね

[Anonymous No.]

>>27975595
It was phoneposted sans a japanese keyboard (uninstalled because not sure if I'm gonna continue learning nip) using romaji translated through Google translate at 50% effort, thus the typo and added english commentary to clarify. But if you read the kana and browse the reddit, ringodeea is close enough to ringodiaa in katakana that it gets into same difference territory for English speakers.

If this was a true formal learning environment then it would matter more and I would've bothered taking the 2 minutes to install nihongo in gboard. But it's literally just shitposting on moon runes and I'd rather spend 5 minutes juryrigging together an abomination to stay the course.

With that said, Gboard with popups enabled and runes properly installed is cruise control for キュル. There's your katakana. Don't even bitch about the lack of a circular period. Just use your imagination and project the kana of your soul.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
What is the 2ch/5ch equivalent of /int/ where I can go and shitpost with some natives?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27755361
>i want you to find me one adult person who learned japanese to a native level and only knew european languages before.
Donald fucking Keene. He published more literature in Japanese than you've read in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27755361
Who cares about being fully native? I just want to be able to get my point across fairly well. There are plenty of people who are at that level like people who learned just enough to get by before they moved to Japan on business and then picked up the rest while they were there. Maybe they aren't as good as if they were born there but they're certainly to the level were communication isn't an issue save for maybe an odd word or phrase here and there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27986293

I agree, I think being able to interpret and communicate just about any idea in your brain is more important. I don't really get what the difference between that and "native" is, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27857393
fuck now I'm curious too

[Anonymous No.]

>>27985877
ok good job.
you found a guy who took over 20 years to publish his first work in Japanese with the help of a Japanese person.
and never sounded native in his whole life. proof:
https://youtu.be/NTSdMHRyi-s

rip tho hes a hero in my eyes.

my point still stands, its impossible to reach native level as a speaker of European languages. and it takes extreme maybe even lifelong dedication to reach fluency.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just starting to learn, but I've been plagued by a question that I just can't answer yet. I wonder if anon can help me. How do I say,
>The devil works hard, but Rin-san works harder
In Japanese? Thanks in advance bros

[Anonymous No.]

>>28007672
悪魔は一生懸命働きますが、でもさあ凛さんはもっと一生懸命働きます

3 minutes in Google translate. After that it's just reviewing to see if you can spot any grammar or kanji mistakes. If not, then you need to pace your learning and start small instead of diving straight into the deep end.

Not gonna spoonfeed beyond that, as this is the learning thread not the translating entire sentences straight from english for you thread. At least try to figure it out on your own and post what you've come up with next time, どうていくん。

[Anonymous No.]

>>27943755
In Italian we say "Mi piacciono le crepes": the subject are still the crepes, but when I say it I perceive myself as the protagonist of the sentence. This doesn't change the fact that the crepes are the grammatical subject.

[Anonymous No.]

Learning Japanese just feels unbelievable difficult like when you see a kanji you don't recognize do you have no other option than to look up dictionary? At least in other languages like Spanish it's easy to make educated guests when the words are sort of similar to the ones English like estudiar/study, panic/panico, car/carro there's nothing familiar about a bunch of alien symbols.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28016819
This is what makes nihongo such a pleb filter, and I kind of like it that way. If you're not severely autistic enough to become a scholar in ancient runic hi-ero glyphics then you shouldn't be visiting the island of sideways vaginas.

[Anonymous No.]

機械翻訳プログラムを使うだけ wwww

[Anonymous No.]

Daily reminder that Kanji aren't the true final boss of nihongo.

It's the Japanese r.

[Anonymous No.]

there's a huge gap between "being fluent" and "reaching native level"
if you study systematically for, let's say, 5 years, you can become fluent, by this i mean: pass n1, understand everything on a hololive stream, understand almost everything from a news article, be able to read a book and look up maybe a word every 2 pages
this is more than enough to enjoy your manga anime and vns

on the other hand you need to move countries and spend many years speaking a language to have pronunciation indistinguishable from a native, to understand nuances of language and to have native-tier listening abilities

also remember that big chunk of people here are EOPs and they're posting their pure speculations itt

[Anonymous No.]

so you wanna learn moon runes anon? ok then

guide: pic related
vocab deck: https://mega.nz/file/21kV2IyT#hrHlRSx_f7DJ9q6xj52hIWtcJ62dMhPG6MlWNwm34ak
tae-kim grammar guide: https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/taekim.html
hover dictionary: https://github.com/FooSoft/yomichan/
japanese subtitles: https://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

[Anonymous No.]

> can i eventually become fluent
yes
> like a native speaker
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>28018223
Have confidence. After all, aiming for native speaking level is a great motivator to push yourself hard and fast. Even if you never gain a doctorate in Japanese linguistics from a Japanese university, you're still driven onward in perpetuity towards true conversational fluency. Although there's no reason you can't still get that doctorate somewhere down the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28017920

Is there something like Animelon with hover translations on japanese subs but a media player instead of streaming?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28022258
you mean like what's going on here?
https://youtu.be/M4t7HYS73ZQ

[Anonymous No.]

>look at nikkei amerikajin on normie shits
>ANTA , ANATA, ANATA WA
>"heh yeah guise im part japanees,"
You guys are pretty good

[Anonymous No.]

I'm at the point where I know enough kanjis to able to guess compound words mean but it's the little hiraganas in a sentence and how the words are arranged still alienating me from figuring out what the sentence actually means. Is this a sign of grammar problems?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28037653
Better to make grammar mistakes than vocab

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone recommend some Japanese TV shows for immersive learning™ (non anime)

[Anonymous No.]

>>28037653
>but it's the little hiraganas in a sentence and how the words are arranged still alienating me
??? How is this even possible.
Use your head a little maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
Sup OP, just finished learning the Hiragana alphabet yesterday.
The resource I have been using is Namasensei on youtube. He is a great entry-level teacher for those who are interested in learning Jap and have no prior experience. The way he explains stuff is not super academic, but in his simplicity his lessons are very easy to understand. One of my favorite practices of his is that when relevant, he'll include little nuggets of practical grammar and vocab that you'll be able to write with the characters available to you at the moment. I can't recommend it enough, he's a fantastic teacher despite appearing so unsophisticated and his biggest accomplishment was making the language accessible and fun to learn. Honestly, that's the biggest thing you'll have to worry about, being excited to learn and willing to practice and study in your spare time. Take it at a pace you're comfortable with and don't overwhelm yourself early on. Lastly, do not discount little victories! I felt immense satisfaction being able to wake up in the morning and write down characters or even full words and sound them out from memory, and that is what has kept me going. You are fully capable of learning Japanese, so ignore all of these pretentious edgy teenagers telling you otherwise.

Here's the youtube link to Namasensei's channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKEkaHdUBQI0s7Czx06blNw
Good luck OP!

[Anonymous No.]

>>28047857
>non anime
where do you think you are?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28070697
I've just been told things like reality TV shows have more realistic everyday dialogue. Don't get me wrong, I like anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28080486
it was more of a joke than anything else. personally I am not familiar with Japanese TV, but in my Arabic and Romanian adventures my go-to is the news. kind of boring, sorry, but it's a nice way to hear the natural language as well as getting a perspective on the native view of current events.

[Anonymous No.]

imagine being a mutt, and in your twenties you decide you want to learn japanese lmao
you will never make it, you know absolutely nothing about learning languages and your retarded mutt language is complete different from japanese
go eat a burger fatty

[Anonymous No.]

>>28082658
oddly specific projection

[Anonymous No.]

>>28082697
co tím chceš říct, že jsem retardovaný mutt? směju se ti retarde

[Anonymous No.]

>>28082658
Imagine thinking you can't learn a language when even American NEETS can do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>28082658
(You)

[Anonymous No.]

>>28082658
"Making it" is subjective you fucking underage cretin. Come back in a few years after you grow up a bit and finally learn success and fulfillment aren't necessarily just wealth and social advancement.

[Anonymous No.]

It's kinda off-topic but I don't know where else to go. Anyone have that image macro of a hand drawn shrek cringe compilation? It goes something like... snappu desu....cringu compiru or some shit like that. Not sure if I saw it here or in /s4s/

[Anonymous No.]

>>28082658
I'm learning to have a marketable skill. I'm not even a weeb so I know for a fact that I will make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28082658
>Implying that I am an Ameritard

[Anonymous No.]

I'm learning japanese. Fuck kanji. Okurigana is retarded. Days of the months are the most stupid shit I've ever seen in a language and I learned five of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28143716
It's a chaotic language. Thankfully it seems you can sort of get by talking to young people without using the native vocabulary for everything. In a recent stream Kiara asked Nene if she likes raspberries (木苺) and she didn't understand that word at first, only the ingrish spelling (ラズベリー).

[Anonymous No.]

>>27971439
*ниггер

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
Will you eventually become fluent? Of course, if you don't give up.
Don't make a big goal like, 0 to fluent. Make small goals, and focus on making timeframes for that. How long it takes varies so much based on effort and your environment, even saying "study everyday" really can't decide how long it takes. Just make progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27738047
what fucking board do you think you're on

[Anonymous No.]

>>27984393
The time you spent writing this to defend yourself you could've actually learned a new word or two. No wonder why most people say learning Japanese is impossible, they focus on the most retarded shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689170
How come you can learn almost any other major language but not Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689066
Sounds a lot like English

[Anonymous No.]

>just learned that there are mangas specifically made to teach Japan history to children
Wait, what? That sounds actually pretty nice. Or is this a recent thing?

[Anonymous No.]

it's not impossible. the degenerate weebs who can't get off their asses and study are the ones who say "learning japanese is impossible." don't listen to them. it's very achievable, but it takes a *lot* of work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27969272
lol pitch accent is pretty important
t. someone who speaks a language with pitch accent

[Anonymous No.]

>>27738047
/jp/ iq is very very low anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27728538
Based Jew, Sharomu

[Anonymous No.]

What can I do to actually practice grammar? Sure I can read all about it but without practicing using it myself I feel like I'll get nowhere. I found Bunpro.jp but I don't quite feel like it gives me enough practice.

[Anonymous No.]

any good podcasts to listen to on spotify?

[Anonymous No.]

Are online lessons with native speakers or teachers is a good time/money investment? My level is below N5, should I just keep learning by myself?

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>28219583
For fun or for learning or both?
I don't know anything about spotify podcasts, but I used to listen to ひいきびいき but they quit a year or two or three ago (I've lost track of time).
There are a bunch of good audio dramas if you just search for オーディオドラマ

[Anonymous No.]

>>28261258
both really, I'm still new to this and I found spotify podcasts to be the easiest way for me to do passive emersion, also, thank you, ill check these out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27974938
>>27984393

this is, no cap, the most retarded thing I've read on any DJT thread

every explanation you give just makes it more clear that you are a baseline beginner. you should cultivate some competence before giving recommendations on a language you apparently aren't even learning anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28006085

>it is impossible to reach native level as a speaker of European languages. and it takes extreme maybe even lifelong dedication to reach fluency.

This is demonstrably wrong, you are full of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28289893
has yet to be proven

[Anonymous No.]

I have a few questions. I've been studying for a couple months now and I've finished the textbook "Japanese from Zero!" I also have started a little bit on the second text book of the series.

Recently my time studying has been a mixture of looking over the Tae Kim guide, Doing the 2.3k Core Ankii, Watching some videos like Cure dolly, watching an episode or two of anime with japanese subtitles and spending some time each day trying to speak some Japanese in VR chat.

Recently my motivation to work on the textbook has dropped since I've been spending time on these other resources. My question is, should I continue to work on the textbook or try and focus on other resources?

Also when I watch anime with Japanese subs I usually have just the Japanese subs on and try to understand as much of the sentence as possible before toggling on the English subtitles. Would it be better just to only use Japanese subtitles and try to understand things from context? sorry for the blog post

[Anonymous No.]

>>28291915
These are great questions.

In my experience, textbooks are useful as tools to explain specific grammar points. If I need an explanation on a certain particle, for example, I might go there. But the value of actively studying a textbook drops off quickly in my opinion. Once you are competent enough to start immersing, you should let the textbook fall to the sideline as immersion is a better teacher than any textbook. Ideal usage for me would be to recognize a pattern through immersion, look it up to get a concrete explanation, and listen for that pattern when I continue immersion. So it does have its place, but they're like training wheels, you'll outgrow them.

As far as subtitles, I would strongly suggest never turning on English subs. The problem you may be having is that you feel inclined to understand more or less every line. This is the wrong approach. You need to allow yourself to feel comfortable not knowing everything. Just pay attention, let it hit you, and god willing you'll begin to pick things up piece by piece. These days I turn off all subtitles and just practice listening and I wish I had tried it sooner. Once you've done RTK you can essentially understand everything through Japanes subs thanks to keywords, but stopping and remembering the keywords for each kanji of each compound word quickly becomes tedious, so just letting the show play is much easier. Just give your best effort to pay as much attention as you can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28292604
Thanks for the advice, my main concern is that I may not be at the level where immersion learning is going to give me enough returns since I have not been studying long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28292695

That's a fair concern to have but honestly man if you're not in Japan there is absolutely no better way to learn. Language ability can't be obtained the way you can with most other disciplines, you can't really use logic to directly improve speaking skill for example. Obviously linguists can chop and arrange the language into logical bite-sized learning modules but that isn't how the language actually works in practice. It's just something you need to sit with and get used to - its a wholistic process. Eventually things just become somewhat automatic, closer to how you perceive English. The returns may feel slow -- but your brain is parsing the information 1000x more efficiently and effectively than you could do with concentrated effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28293069
Thanks, that makes me happy since immersion learning is more fun, I just wanted to make sure I was headed in the right direction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28292604
What is RTK?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28297153
Remembering The Kanji, here's a link to the first volume: http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=CA125B05CE7DDBA4C271B764330B6E65

[Anonymous No.]

>>28297214
At what point in my studies should I start reading this? right away?

[Anonymous No.]

People on this site are very weird about this subject.

Just learn it if you are interested. It's not some arcane knowledge. It will take time though.

[Anonymous No.]

nihongo benkyou suru!!

[Anonymous No.]

Also it's not like language knowledge isn't worth shit unless you are native level.

Think of all the immigrants out there who may speak with a funny accent yet speak and understand fluently, can read and write in the second language, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28266433
This is a really cute and easy to understand audio drama. It's fairly short too.
It doesn't look like it's on Spotify, but you can download the audio mp3's from the website.
http://onigiriwagon.sakura.ne.jp/yome/index.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>28296674
Not him, but games and manga are a nice alternative. AmazonJP has lots of free manga and games will drill random stuff into you if you play enough. But yeah, just consume japanese media and take it easy anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>learn japanese so I don't have to wait for the english translation of manga scan
>korean is always first followed by english
Where did it go so wrong...

[Anonymous No.]

>>28312032
Any recs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28330375
Depends on what you like. Easy to read rpgs like dq (11 and 8 ds has furigana) and pokemon. With heavier rpgs it'll feel like a slog until you see the same words so often they just stick (装備、魔法、etc). Google translate draw function and jisho radical search will help once you get used to em.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28298594
Highly recommend learning it ASAP -- having a strong foundation in Kanji will help you keep momentum in practicing reading. If you already know a base meaning for 95% of the kanji you won't have to stop every line to search up the meaning of a new kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

It kind of bothers me that in Remembering the Kanji they don't have the hiragana equivalent, wouldn't that be helpful to remember the word itself as well as the kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

when will they learn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28353948
Each Kanji has a lot of different readings, which would just complicate the learning process; better to focus sololy on learning the keyword and the writing. I guess it sounds cliche, but as you read more and more and look up the actual word meaning / pronunciation, you get a feel for how a kanji will be pronounced, just based on the context and past exposure

[Anonymous No.]

>>28355332
Got it boss

[Anonymous No.]

>>28070439
I wouldn’t rely on Nama for kana though, holy shit that い

[Anonymous No.]

>>28358605
Yeah, I always copied the print font when learning Hiragana from him with the exception of せ, which is easier to write without the tooth on the second stroke. I should clarify that when I said beginner, I really meant bare minimum you don't know shit and more importantly have no idea where to start. Namasensei is great for an introduction to Japanese and gives a taste of what's to come, but you absolutely will outgrow him as you progress.
I just finished learning my Katakana alphabet today and enabled the Japanese keyboard on my phone which was pretty cool. Gonna start Genki 1 soon tomorrow, wish me luck!

[Anonymous No.]

How long? That depends. When do you consider yourself to "speak Japanese"? Does it mean to understand every word in every context? If so... you won't. Does it mean good enough to carry out a conversation? Depends. No matter what though, all language learning is about input. You need to actually immerse yourself in the language. This will mean consuming Japanese even before you fully know all of the words.

You will need some grammar first, which I'll recommend Cure Dolly for (she's a youtuber with a terrible voice, but good knowledge of Japanese language structure). You will also need some base vocabulary. Most of your vocab should be learned through the Anki application, which is like a smart flash card tool. You can add words easily through the Yomichan browser extension, which you should be doing whenever you come across a word that is unknown to you, that is at least reasonably common.

With regards to how you are going to immerse yourself... it should be through untranslated manga, and anime with j-subs (not English subtitles). You can find the latter on sites like animelon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28148884
Kiara is not a native speaker so this is not a good example

[Anonymous No.]

>>28355080
when will they learn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28148884
Is that because of the language, or because it's Nene we're talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28266433
Nihongo Con Teppei is babby-tier, but it'll set you right

[Anonymous No.]

Katakana was a mistake.

They should have added another thingie on top of hiragana to clarify its use for names and foreign stuff.

t. Katakana-sayonara

[Anonymous No.]

>>28388549
katakana looks cool though, and fuck it, you have to learn kanji anyway so it's easy by comparison

[Anonymous No.]

>>28388657
I can't deny that it looks cool.

But I will never forgive the japanese for what they did with : sa/se hi/to and the abdomination of the shi,so / fu/ra

[Anonymous No.]

>>28388887
>But I will never forgive the japanese for what they did with : sa/se hi/to and the abdomination of the shi,so / fu/ra
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>28389125

[Anonymous No.]

RTK, KKLC, or none and why?
i studied/still study chinese and don't really have a problem with learning characters

heard RTK doesn't have the reading of kanji so seems like a waste of time to me if i can only recognize and not read it, dunno about kklc

[Anonymous No.]

>>27969585
>but the plus side is I can trick random nips into thinking I am close to fluent
speaking from similar experience (I was living in Brazil, not Japan), this is neat as a party trick but pretty annoying to actually live with lol. someone sees you, obvious foreigner, and you rattle off a stock reply in almost-unaccented Jap/huespeak. then they naturally assume that you have a firm grasp on the language, so they launch of into some complex question using local slang and not bothering to suppress their own accent, and once they realize you didn't understand them, now instead of treating you like a foreigner they're treating you like a retard who doesn't know basic vocabulary

[Anonymous No.]

>>28017679
>he can't say araragi san, aragi san, arararagi san three times fast
sorry whitey only spics can sound native Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

just started learning hiragana, at the s's, god this shit is so easy i'll be fluent in no time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28396688
bro, same, this shit is so easy. fucking chinks will have it coming in no time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28396688
don't forget to write every day or you'll start to lose it

[Anonymous No.]

>>27730303
my sides

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
Theres a lot of lazy fags in this thread. The grammar is the easiest part especially if you watch a lot of japanese shit and are used to hearing it. You'll get down the sentence structure after maybe 6 months and if you internalize that its easy to learn new grammar you just need to practice so you don't forget it.

The actual hard part is learning all the vocab and kanji. It will take years but its just tedious not hard. Learning JP is all willpower

[Anonymous No.]

>>27935419
おはようございます、アノンさん

[Anonymous No.]

>>27935131
anno didn't direct flcl faggot. Tsuremaki is a better director anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>27936615
I kek'd

[Anonymous No.]

What level does Genki 1&2 get you to once you finish? What comes after Genki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28396688
>>28397395
50 times in your fucking notebook, you bitch. Don’t forget to drink a fucking beer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28406877
Approximately N5

I recommend Tobira if you want to stay with textbooks

[Anonymous No.]

If I max out Bunpo and Wanikana will I be able to watch unsubbed chuubas?

srs question

[Anonymous No.]

>>28415810
no amount of isolated study prepares you to listen or read. you need to practice listening and reading every day seperate from whatever study material you use. srs answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28410859
Don't people do tobira after genki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>27801812
There's evidence that "的" came from the English suffix "-tic" like "romantic" or "automatic"

[Anonymous No.]

>>28017679
the rolling r used during threats and and fighting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28418734
doubt

[Anonymous No.]

Sing karaoke. You get speaking practice, and the speech patterns and vocabulary sticks in your brain better than any stack of flashcards ever can

[Anonymous No.]

>>28419110
What's a good karaoke program?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28419268
Just go on Youtube and search "カラオケ", find a jpop song you like or pick a random one

[Anonymous No.]

>>28419110
but anon... I'm bad at singing...

[From Chiba No.]

>>28419965
It doesn't matter you're good at singing or not. The process of trying to imitate the sounds is important.

[From Chiba No.]

>>28418916
When old Japanese tried to translate English in around 1900, they use 的.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28418916
https://twitter.com/JUMANJIKYO/status/1101853064309293056

[Anonymous No.]

How do I fit active listening into my work day? I code for a living so I have to concentrate; can't really go on autopilot for the most part. So far, the only thing I do is listen to podcasts in the shower and have JP music in the background while I work. Any other suggestions?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-euhHxSlzQ
Matt vs japan is making a new website, seems a lot more professional than his old one, what do you guys think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28410840
https://youtu.be/l7Mlta0arjY
New Namasensei lessons if we hit his channel points goal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28423643
Sleep less watch anime

[Anonymous No.]

Is it better to have 1 deck for all mining or 1 deck per anime / game / VN you are mining?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28425484
completely shameless, but I'll watch if it brings back namasensei

[Anonymous No.]

>>28425484
His face aged 20 years even though it's only been 11. All that smoking and drinking really took its toll.

[Anonymous No.]

How would you say 鬼竜? Kimatsu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28425484
holy shit he's back

[Anonymous No.]

>>28425244
nah, he seems too much of a dick, I lost interest

[Anonymous No.]

>>28453376
Kiryuu

[Anonymous No.]

>>27931309
Hehe this guy can't speak English either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28425484
初めてナマセンセイを見ましたが...
これは酷いですねｗｗｗ
汚い英語を沢山覚える事が出来ましたｗ

[Anonymous No.]

>>28017920
why the time limit on learning kana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28498037
It's something you must learn and get used to reading, yet it's really damn easy to pick up, so you shouldn't waste any time learning all of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>28498037
there shouldn't really be a reason besides "I have to do this until then" as a motivator
honestly if takes more than a week you're already procrastinating then

[Anonymous No.]

>>28498037
>>28511169
Yeah, Kana isn't all that difficult. Just make sure you constantly reinforce it. Come across any Japanese script, regardless of whether you understand it or not? Sound that shit out. 2chan is a great resource for this practice. You might find a word you recognize along the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28512119
>2chan
How in the hell do I find this site? nothing I search works out, am I retarded? can you please give me a link.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28533988
Now it's 5chan, not 2chan.
Currently, posting from outside of Japan is prohibited.

English language thread
https://lavender.5ch.net/english/
American Thread
https://lavender.5ch.net/usa/
Japanese Linguistics Thread
https://lavender.5ch.net/gengo/

I'll let you know if there are any threads of interest.

[Anonymous No.]

ごまかすの。。。結構大変なんですからね

how to translate this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28533988
>>28534691
2chan.net
The address shows up when you google it, anon. Go get some sleep and try again.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any resources to avoid when trying to learn the basics like Hiragana and Katakana? Looking around and reading about those Genki textbooks makes it seem like they're not as useful outside of a school environment with a instructor.

[Anonymous No.]

Kanji isn't very difficult either. The hard part is memorizing the different readings of 2000 characters, and that is a bit of an undertaking. But the concept behind kanji is brain dead, and anyone who told you it is a failure at teaching. You take one character, which the majority of the time means the same thing in every language, you can combine them with another character if needed, and you have a "stackable" meaning that you don't even need to know how to pronounce to understand. It does take a while to study, but you shouldn't be intimidated by it either.

Meanwhile grammar still kicks my ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>28567207
>anyone who told you it isn't is a failure at teaching

fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>28567207
>grammar still kicks my ass
make sentence cards in anki motherfucker

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689066
My teacher said I sounded like I spoke it as a second language in my household, but all I do is watch a lot of anime. I might sound retarded, but it was a nice compliment from her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28545687
Ah, you mean Futaba.

[Anonymous No.]

come watch nip tv with us on the tv general
It's good listening practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28534877
The pleasure of being cummed inside.

[Anonymous No.]

>>27688986
what should i learn RTK on?
am i supposed to get an .apkg and use some random program?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28545687
Oh, they have webms with audio. How advance.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm at the stage where I'm pretty comfortable with Kanji, but now when I get all Hiragana sentences (like in Yotsuba), it really trips me up. Is this a common issue?

[Anonymous No.]

>>28570437
>tfw teacher said I talked like a fruit because I watch cute girl anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>28566792
They're not useful at all
Just use JTMW and DoJG

[Anonymous No.]

Continuation of djt thread

>>28598551

[Anonymous No.]

>>27689066
>Unless you learn the language as a child you will always sound like a fucking retard
You’ve never learned a second language

[Anonymous No.]

How does one go about understanding japanese speech?
A cute japanese woman just moved next to my place and I have been teaching her english, so I have been thinking about learning how to understand japanese better to surprise her in the future. Don't care as much about reading, just wanna be able to have a decent conversation in japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>28643067

This guy is a great teacher.

https://www.yutaaoki.com/lp/jp2/japanese-with-yuta.html?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=desc