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3241838 No.3241838 [Reply] [Original]

Need some clarification.

So whats the function of the GOLD text? I know only game master can use it and shit, but how does it any different than Red? Its just stating the truth right? Why wouldn't Battler throw it around like crazy anyway?

>> No.3241847

Not Beatrice's truth or something like that.

>> No.3241857

>>3241847
Beatrice was out of the game since the start of EP5 and people still throw red like crazy. I doubt that has to do with anything.

>> No.3241860

I remember someone said "Red is *A* truth, gold is *the* truth." but I'm not sure what they meant by that or if they were correct.

>> No.3241870

>>3241857

I was mainly guessing as I'm waiting for EP 5 to get translated.

>> No.3241874

Say nothing said in red so far has been the truth ?
Dunno lol.

>> No.3241881

Objective and unarguable. If I say "you are a faggot" in red, you may take it as a derogatory insult instead of a statement about your sexual preference, so you can keep denying the fact you want to turn into a girl and suck cocks. If I say "you are a faggot" in gold, you are homosexual, no ifs, ands or buts.

>> No.3241902

I have a question.
For those who are complelly anti-fantasy, those who even try to work around the meta world, how do you explain the red, blue or gold truths?
Saying that it's only a game mechanism is half-assed, it's really part of the story and should be explainable for someone who want to deny everything related to the fantasy side.

>> No.3241911

>>3241902
It IS a game mechanism, if there was no red/gold truths you could stall the game forever with small bombs/any other trap X.

>> No.3241914

>>3241902
Litterary tool for the reader.

>> No.3241919

>>3241902
It's a game mechanism to set boundaries when it comes to theories.

>> No.3241924

>>3241881
We can't argue against red anyway, its the TRUTH. You can extend from the truth. I still don't see why the hell would that be different than the GOLD.
All the RED we have been getting are stuffs like:

The door was locked', 'Kanon is dead' etc - what difference would that make if it was in GOLD?

>> No.3241928

>>3241911
It's part of the story and therefore should be explainable.
Once again saying that it's only a game mechanism is half-assed.
There are some good theories about these and I think these are a good hints to what the meta-world and Beatrice really are.

>> No.3241934

>>3241902
It is a game mechanism. The only characters the recognize it are the meta-world characters, which don't exist. The actual characters/pieces on the game board don't use, see, or in any way interact with it. It's there solely for the readers' benefit.

>> No.3241941

>>3241934
Erika used it in the real world in episode 5.
You guys limit yourself too much, that's why all your theories are boring and repetitive.

>> No.3241947

>>3241924
You can get around red, if "Kanon is dead" is said in red you can do various dickery like "Kanon abandoned his identity as Kanon", "there are two people called Kanon", "it was a metaphorical death" and so on, if you say it in gold you cannot argue against it period.

>> No.3241964

>>3241924
Red text would be "Kanon is dead". We could then argue for hours where he died, when he died, what he did before he died, or if he even existed.

Gold text would be "Kanon died in the servants' quarters before the start of each game, and his corpse was found in dining room". It cannot be refuted with blue text, and Knox rule 2 does not apply.

>> No.3241978

Since when do witches need to use toilets?

>> No.3241989

>>3241941
Erika herself does not use red text. She is a detective, so she cannot use supernatural abilities to prove her own argument. Instead, she comes up with theories supported with testimony and evidence, and her furniture uses the red to confirm it so that people like Battler can't use some silly blue theory to deny it.

>> No.3241990

>>3241947
Red Text: there are no more than 200/18/32/17 people on the island
Gold Text: There are only 17 people on the island. Exactly 17

See the difference?

>> No.3241998

>>3241989
She uses red text when she orders Battler and the rest to move aside so she can check the crime scene, since she is the detective.

>> No.3242003

>>3241989
Did you even play episode 5?
She uses it in the real world.

>> No.3242005

>>3241947
Thats a weird way of putting it. Say there are 2 Kanon and one of them is dead. Can't Battler go ahead and state Kanon is dead in GOLD? It is the absolute truth (just that there is another hidden fact).

All your example are just a pickle word-play to get around the red. It can simply be denied using another red. Why the hell would GOLD be necessary?

>> No.3242025

>>3242003
Erika never used the red text in the real world. If you saw red in the real world, it was either the Iron Maidens or Bernkastel confirming her words in red.

>> No.3242033

>>3241990
well, what stop him from saying "there are no more than 200/18/32/17 people on the island" in GOLD?
Its the truth. Can't be argued.

>> No.3242034

>>3242025
see >>3241998
I'm almost 100% positive that she said that herself.

>> No.3242038

>>3242025
You missed it then, because it does happen.

>> No.3242040

>>3242005
See >>3241964

Gold text is the absolute truth, so it needs to be explained as such so it cannot be interpreted in any other way.

>> No.3242045

>>3242005
Sorry, but gold truth would not be that vague. It should also state that there is only 1 Kannon. Gold truth is a guarenteed absolute truth, A perfect wall that you cannot weave around using the blue.

>> No.3242067

>>3241964
You are saying that GOLD is the complete fact of the murder or event?
That does not seems to be the case with Battler's current GOLD which state that the corpse is indeed Kinzo corpse. The gold said nothing about the time he was burnt, killed, found, the condition he was found or anything.

>> No.3242078

>>3242033
He can't say it in gold because it isn't vague enough.

To put it in terms of anti-fantasy vs anti-mystery, it's the word of god that let's you know that all the clues are there. There is no debate.

>> No.3242102

Beatrice = personification of Law/Justice
Red truth = Theories validated some proofs in the real world.
Blue truth = Theories that haven't yet been validated by proofs.
Gold truth = Theories that have been concluded as completely factual.

When Beatrice says that someone died, it means that person died in regard of the law.
There, the game is solved.

>> No.3242123

>>3242102
>Red truth = Theories

Wait, what?

>> No.3242135

>>3242005
This is my opinion of it, do not take it as fact.

To put it in mathematical terms, red text is akin ∃. Something can be stated in red as long as there's at least one valid interpretation of it that is true. If I have two cats, and both are called Biscuit, if one of the cats die I can say "Biscuit is dead" in red.

Gold text is similar to ∀, it is true for every possible interpretation. If I say "Kinzo is dead" in gold, there is literally no possibility of Kinzo being alive in any form.

>> No.3242161

>>3242135

Why would you give the same name for both cats?

>> No.3242160

>>3242078
>the word of god that let's you know that all the clues are there

So the GOLD can only be used when all the clues are there? Thats kinda weird since Battler was pulling his current GOLD out of his ass without other clue whatsoever about Kinzo's body. Unless of course you are saying there are no other clue to consider..

>> No.3242178 [DELETED] 

>>3242161
it wasnt said that the cats have the same owner

>> No.3242186

>>3242161
to troll battler

>> No.3242187

>>3242161
/an/ has an odd tendency to suggest Biscuit as a name for every pet. Even if the pet is a fucking octopus.

>> No.3242217
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3242217

>>3242135
There will always be more than one way to interpret ate a sentence...
oh hell, say your 'Kinzo is dead', there are obviously more than 1 Kinzo in Japan - even the picture on the left is Kinzo. So is that mean by your theory you can never say 'Kinzo is dead' in GOLD? Thats weird because Battler stated so just now.

>> No.3242249

>>3242217
Yeah, if Battler says "Kinzo is dead" in gold then all Kinzos relevant to the game are dead. This also means an interpretation like "all family members are actually Kinzo" cannot be made because it violates the gold text.

>> No.3243735

gah.
I wish witch hunt would atleast do 10 % a week

>> No.3243780
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3243780

Meanwhile, at Witch Hunt

>> No.3243854

Is OP's pic a shop? I can't distinguish.

>> No.3243872
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3243872

Red text - The "flexible" truth. The truth can be bent to mislead or guide people to a certain conclusion, although this leads into gaps of interpretations. Regardless, it is still a "truth".

Blue text - Hypothesis. Exploits the holes made in the red text due to its flexible nature and allows for a theory that must be directly countered by another truth. If left alone, this will be considered the "truth".

Gold text - "Absolute" truth. Leaves no room for guesswork and interpretations. Obviously less flexible than the red text, but it completely shuts down all blue text regarding the matter.

>> No.3243899

>>3243780
>3%

Also, what gold truths were given, out of curiousity?

>> No.3243903

>>3243854
Not a shop. Beatrice shit herself when she found out Battler became a warlock.

>> No.3243969

>>3243903

Oh, so I'm going to ask for one thing.
Source?

>> No.3244057

>>3243969

Noone?

>> No.3244097

>>3241881
Quite a number of butts.

>> No.3244109

>>3241924
What room did Kanon die in?
RED> Kanon died in this room.
GOLD> The blow which injured Kanon was inflicted in this room, but Kanon dies later, in the kitchen.

>> No.3244123

>>3241990
>Exactly 17.

NO MURDERS! Yay!!!!

>> No.3244159

retards. There are things you can't say in red, even thought they are the thruth. There's golden for those moments.
And Erika uses red.

>> No.3244177

>>3244123
Okay, how about
>There are exactly 17 people on the island at this moment.

>> No.3244204

>>3244159
To add more explanation, there's a new rule you can't use red without evidence now. So even if you say in red "that is the body of Kinzo " you need evidence. Even though it's true.
Gold does not need evidence. That is body of Kinzo" FUCK YOUR EVIDENCE.

>> No.3244213

>>3244177
In red? what's your evidence?

>> No.3244313

>>3244204
Lamdadelta and Bern can still use red without evidence.
>>3244213
That was just an example of gold text. It might not be true.

>> No.3244376

>>3244313
Battler and Eika need evidence. They would just play the game alone, trying to say things in red if not for the rule.

>> No.3244409

>>3244109
What if I say "The blow which injured Kanon was inflicted in this room, but Kanon dies later, in the kitchen." in red, wouldn't it be the same as saying it in gold?

>> No.3244418

>>3244409
you need evidence in red now, not with the gold.

>> No.3244430

>>3244409
1> The blow that injured Kanon was inflicted in this room, but that isn't necessarily the blow that killed him.
2> You've obfuscated any connections between blows and deaths.
3> You can say it complex in red, but you can also give a red answer without having to answer the whole truth.

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3244516

>>3243969
>>3244057

Oh, please.

>> No.3244553
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3244553

>>3244516
Siesta is my favorite Siesta

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3244660

>>3243854
Shop? There is no shop here

>> No.3244692

>>3244418
Battler and Beatrice were both using Red in EP1-4, they all do not have evidences. Even the claim where Battler states that he was Rodulf's son has no evidence - birth cert? blood test result? I don't see any.

>> No.3244700

>>3244660

Thank you for your multi-troll faces. GOT IT. :<<

>> No.3244748

>>3244692
didn't you read? it's a new rule. What would stop Battler and Erika for trying and saying things in red to get to the truth?

>> No.3244789

>>3244748
well, I guess from now on there will be no RED from Battler, since everything he said can be in Gold now - he don't need prove for it after all.

Erika can now go eat shit with Red alone.

>> No.3244824

>>3244789
But battler becomes the gamemaster at the end, he already knows how all the mysteries work.

>> No.3244820

>>3244789
If he said everything in gold then the mystery would be way too easy for her to solve.

>> No.3244851

>>3244820
I thought his aim is now to just deny Erika's theory and find out the REAL truth and shit, not clouded the truth from Erika.

>> No.3244880

>>3244851
He first want to try to bring back Beato i think.

>> No.3244884

Battler denied love. The love of his father. That's his sin, I wonder? Or rather, locked himself to love no one at all.

>> No.3244888

>>3244884

I'd sure he'd love Ange. Tenderly.

>> No.3244939

>>3244884
I think his sin is stealing the real Battler's place. Kanon, that is. The true culprit.

>> No.3244954

>>3244888
>I'm sure he'd love Ange. Medium rare.

>> No.3245169

>>3244884
Denial of love isn't one of the seven deadly sins.

Western Mythology, read up about it.

Wrath, Lust, Avarice, Gluttony, Sloth, Envy, Pride.

Six years ago when twelve.

Wrath: Battler could have killed his mother.
Lust: Battler could have fucked his mother.
Envy: Battler could have envied his father's control over his mother.
Sloth: Battler could have not acted when his father murdered his mother.
Pride: Battler could have held his own judgement as superior to external reality. (My guess for most likely given Battler's character).

Avarice and Gluttony seem absent, even in the form of taking all shares, or taking the necessary share of someone else.

>> No.3245199

>Sloth: Battler could have not acted when his father murdered his mother.

I don't see how sloth works here. "My mother is being murdered and I'm the only one who can save her? Nah, I'm busy playing Cross Channel" seems to be something only reserved for /jp/ residents.

>> No.3245197

>>3244888
>>3244954
ITT good jokes, "corrected" by morons with literacy problems.

>> No.3245223

>>3245199
They argue every night. He hits her. Rosa has told me to tell her if anything's happening, anything. Kyrie has suggested she'll die soon. Sloth.

>> No.3245231

My Japanese is not good but .....is Beatrice begging Battler for permission to go to the bathroom or something?

>> No.3245238

>>3245169
Gluttony- Battler was very hungry, there was no food left, and his mom din't feel like running out to the store.

>> No.3245253

>>3245231
Ep6 confirmed: Emergency Laundry of the Golden Witch.

>> No.3245256

Battler's sin is he forgot to throw out bad milk thus killing his mother ...and he blame it on his dad instead.Years has passed and he forgot how his mom really died..

>> No.3245274

>>3245253
She was wearing the same dress for five fucking episodes too. Endless magic or no, it must've been getting dirty.

>> No.3245275

>>3245238
Glutonny also encompasses alcoholism. Mebbe Battler gets really drunk sometimes?

>> No.3245292

>>3245275
How about Battler stopping the drip feeding his mum nutrients, leading to a slow death by starvation, as part of a deal with Beatrice to allow Our_Battler_(furniture) to replace Kanon_Battler, and force Kanon to be furniture?

>> No.3245300

>>3245292
Or maybe Battler was just really hungry so he ate his mother.

>> No.3245332

>>3245300
OM NOM NOM

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