Touhou Fanon

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What is your least favorite fanon interpretation, regarding a certain character, a group of characters, thier relationships or the setting as a whole?

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Yukkuri, no I don't give a damn if that thing that's smeared all over the place in fanarts is azuki paste, it looks like shit and you have a scat fetish.
No idea how that crap is considered SFW.

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>>37404097
Cry moar.

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>>37404062
I'm glad AoCF and Hermit Manga cleared up a lot of Tenshi misconceptions, so although that used to be my least favorite, I can't really say so anymore.
Now, it'd have to be Grimsokyo

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>>37404062
I'm not a big fan of Yuuka being this super sadist who enacts pain and misery, even though her "Genocide is another game" phrase comes from a Pre-EOSD game, so not fully representative of her current personality. I like her more so as a playful mature woman who just has a bad reputation about her and plays along with it as a tease. Pic related shows Yuuka as a mute who has all the characteristics of what I described above and just seems like an overall chill lady who just has a bad rep about her.

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>>37404062
Also any instance of hus being turned into lobotomized moe zombies reeks of secondary fanon. Shy lesbian Alice is the worst case of this.
>>37404097
The whole idea of Yukkuri "lore" is utterly retarded and cringe. It is japanese equivalent of doge lore. Yukkuris are just stylized hus, that's it.

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>>37404097
>>37404260
Jissou must have bothered you even more.

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>>37404210
I agree. But I do genuinely like the idea of Yuuka being powerful enough to back up the teasing. Plus there is the bit in canon saying she does enjoy an occasional scrap.

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>>37404062
Daiyousei and Koakuma existing as characters despite the fact that they're essentially fanon.

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>>37404410
Daiyousei can be erased from existence now that Eternity Kurwa exists to serve as Cirno's partner.

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>>37404062
Any instance of Rumia being a creepy predator and not a canon lazy NEET.

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>>37404450
I wish, but she's been around for some 15 years now. She's too ingrained into the fan perception of the series, she's here to stay.

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The collective [X is the strongest character and is better than all others]
Basically Yukari and Flandre as seen by most zealous fanboys.

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>>37404450
daiyousei actually has repeated appearances out of the two
koakuma could be one of many assistants patchouli has at the mansion since she shows up so little

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>>37404514
>Basically Yukari and Flandre as seen by most zealous fanboys.
Isn't it Hecatia who's generally seen as the strongest now?

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As far as regular and famous examples go, some of Eiki's depictions are terrible and make her into a tiny brat abusing her power as a result of breast envy or something similarly banal, and power level arguments are mostly pointless.
On an entirely personal level? I hate nearly every fanon interpretation of Yuuka. The few I don't are only tolerable.

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>>37404528
Well its coming from perspective of a (very) long time touhou fan, and fans of those two were the most delusional (especially yukari fans).
Hecatia is at least considered strongest by ZUN (if i recall correctly) and her position kinda make it seem sensible.

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>>37404634
Grimore of Marisa really screwed over Eiki big time in terms of representation
>>37404520
Not to mention popping up in official manga. She's here to stay.

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>>37404637
Oh, if you mean from a historical point of view then I understand. It's just that it's been over 5 years since LoLK so I haven't seen people talking about them being the strongest in quite some time.

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>>37404450
Daiyousei has her own group now anyway.

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>>37404727
Yukari's position as the omnipotent Invincible, unbeatable, Creator of Gensokyo, she used to enjoy has been completely eradicated thanks to SSiB, the existence of the other Sages and Zun's statement about Hecatia.

There are still some people how like to pretend that she's just faking it for some reason or that she just putting restrictions on herself because it would be boring or some shit like that, but those are a very small minority.

Not sure about Flan though

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>>37404365
Oh no, I'm all for her being super powerful. In fact, I like the idea of her being the reason Marisa now uses the Master Spark in her arsenal.

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Rumia EX

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>>37404365
>Plus there is the bit in canon saying she does enjoy an occasional scrap
Yeah but remember, in canon she's not the one going out and seeking fights, people come to her (like in PoFV). Plus she likes having set rules. A good example of how fanon painted it is definitely Chado's Yuuka works, which while I like does actively have her going off and looking for fights as if she's Akuma or something.

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>>37404097
I find it to be a comfy and entertaining dose of autism.

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>>37404210
My favorite part about yuuka is her random silent cameos

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Flandre probably, I don't like that everyone played her up as this psychopathic crazy but really she's more like an autistic child than anything. If anything Clownpiece is what everyone thinks Flandre is but far less edgy and way more goofy.
In general I don't like when people don't play the games and decimate the characters.

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Yukari isnt all powerful but I would still consider her one of the most powerful characters we’ve seen onscreen. I’d put her somewhere in top 10 for sure, plausibly top 5. She can be overrated but that’s no reason to underestimate her either.

I dont mind Alice getting shipped but it’s a shame it’s become basically her only character trait in the fandom.

Anti-edgefags are more annoying and ignorant of canon than the edgefags they constantly moan about.

>>37406281
I can agree with all this.

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Does fanonfags even know Aya is one of the stronger youkais in Gensokyo? With how much of a dork and incompetent they portray her in the fanmade anime I dont think they do. In MoF she insisted on fighting you, saying she'll go easy but is still a tough stage 4 boss meanwhile the anime spinned the plot 360°. Personality wise, she is cunning and manipulative, described by Reimu as 'thats why Tengus can write newspapers', and managed to indirectly force Reimu to allow them to sell Bunbunmaru in the Human Village.
>Anti-edgefags are more annoying and ignorant of canon than the edgefags they constantly moan about
Same, if anything I hate the other groups of people who insist Gensokyo is a paradise for humans more. Also, what other canon stuff people tried to shove under the carpet because it became the main gag in fanon? For me its Meiling being an incompetent gatekeeper, despite it being mentioned in the wiki, pointed out by Aya when she interviewed Meiling, and is a gag used in Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth.

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>>37404210
What was that series called again?

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I'm fucking tired of artists giving huge P-cup balloon tits to every 2hu, especially the ones that don't make sense like Cirno, Wriggle and Yachie. When everyone is a tittymonster, no one is.

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>>37406281
Shes basically just a autistic NEET (confirmed by Cheating Detective Satori) which is why she should be the board mascot

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>>37408639
This man speaks the truth. I can't believe how many artists are too blind to see that characters like Yachie are best when deliciously flat.

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>>37408754
I'm glad that even the hentai artists drew Seija as scrawny and flat, makes me feel thankful she is not that popular

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>>37407589
Gensokyo Ghost Stories. The guy doing translations on YT just uploaded the final part to boot.

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>>37404410
they're a testament to imagination. they're the reason every other midboss was given a name.

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>>37411492
TD stage one midboss is still nameless until today

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Remilia with elf ears.
Doremy with donkey ears.
Fuck this ugly shit.
>>37408639
Most hus' chest sizes are open to interpretation. Everyone deserves to be depicted as a tit monster every once in a while. I can't think of a single instance of canon flatness in games.
>Cirno, Wriggle and Yachie
Them being flat is just fanon created by fan artists influencing each other.

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>>37411670
How does TD stage 1 midboss do in popularity polls? Just curious.

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>>37412172
So unpopular that she is unlisted

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>>37412197
That's a shame. Could it be that TD stage 1 midboss is one of the myon-like spirits from PCB Yuyu's portrait? She has fewer of them in TD.

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Anything involving sex and romance is complete garbage to the point where non of the characters even have a resembles of what they should be.

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>>37413692
It's hard to write non-human entities who work on a logic system far, far different from ours in normal human situations like dating, so at least it's understandable. Some people really do just write the most generic love stories with typical female MC only with a Touhou slapped on it though and they should be sprayed with water.
>>37412036
Yachie's drawn with barely any chest in comparison to Urumi or Saki so I can see where the flat Yachie fanart comes from.

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I check pixiv/boorus occasionally for new non-h art of my favorite characters. Usually nothing to complain about.
Then I search for Nazrin and get a bunch of incomprehensible cookie stuff. It doesn't even look like fanon, more like a complete spinoff.
>>37413692
Most of it is trash, but there are a rare few artists who can write decent Touhou romance.

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>>37407064
>I hate the other groups of people who insist Gensokyo is a paradise for humans more
so you hate zun?

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>>37416377
Because thats exactly what cookie cancer is - its entity completely separate from touhou and for sake of your sanity should be treated as such.

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Masochist Tenshi and Ran constantly lusting over Chen. I hate those two interpretations the most honestly.

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>>37418011
Ran lusting for Chen is an extreme extension of the Yakumo group dynamic, an unfunny gag that gets old fast.
I personally like Ran as a mother figure for Chen. Something that compliments their master-servant relationship but doesn't completely overwrite it.

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>>37418513
>an unfunny gag that gets old fast.
No kidding. See also: Sakuya pads

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>>37404062
Hong Meiling is lazy along with Sakuya pads.
Koakuma isn't a succubus you brain rotted coomers.
Hypnosis doujin's are shit.

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>>37421270
Hong Miling being lazy is actually canon though, all fanon did was exaggrating it. And yes, the trope was mentioned in wiki and two canon works, although its hardly used as her main characteristics.

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>>37416585
Duly noted. It sucks cookie art is tied to Touhou tags though. Should be a separate thing if it's so detached.

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>>37416495
>seems to believe
>a few humans
Ill never deny that Gensokyo is beautiful, but humans being youkai"s food source is a running gag used in the canon game. And fine, my bad for being vague, but when I say paradise I meant the canon fags who insisted humans and youkais can mingle with each other without problem or anxious feeling, when the boogyman of youkais being untrustworthy and are human"s number one enemies are taught by the likes of Akyuu herself. Also sinvce made one for Tenshi, here is one for Aya

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>>37416495
That’s written by a hakurei shrine maiden, one of the dogs of the youkai of the border. Not exactly a neutral source.

“It’s a paradise cause I can have flashy anime fights, other people get eaten but whatever”

>>37416377
Don’t want to get too off topic, but I’m open to suggestions. We can also crosspost into the shipping thread if you dont want to list them here.

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>>37411670
>>37412215

It'll be named when it's revealed to be the culprit in the Satori manga.

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>>37422395
>I meant the canon fags who insisted humans and youkais can mingle with each other without problem or anxious feeling
They do that all the time.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Human_Village
>It is said that youkai are good customers.
>It is also a common occurrence for humans and youkai to enjoy meals together, particularly in places that serve alcohol.

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>>37404062
Nearly all fan interpretations of Eiki.

Canon she's tall, stern but friendly, and deeply caring
Fanon she's a loli with a quick temper

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>>37404410
Koakuma is definitely someone. Can't say the same for nameless big fairy. I think it's less that she's made a character and more that she's given any amount of attention. Nobody actually talks about or mentions her canonically

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>>37412036
Vampires have pointy ears

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>>37423774
>>It is said that youkai are good customers.
>>It is also a common occurrence for humans and youkai to enjoy meals together, particularly in places that serve alcohol
Yeah except the image of youkai to humans are bad enough that they have to wear disguise to not cause a panic, as seen in Touhou Suzunan. You still have to consider that Gensokyo is huge, yet most humans are caged inside the human village. The mountain is literally unaccessible until Moriya's ropeway was built. They cant even have a leader since youkai place spies in the village to make sure they dont act up. Sure its a paradise by the village human's perception, but thats only because theyre mostly ignorant to Gensokyo"s nature

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>>37423822
Show me ONE iconic depiction of vampires with ugly ass chunky JRPG elf ears.

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>>37423837
Perception is all that matters in Gensokyo

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>>37423985
Yeah, as Akyuu said, theres many truths, and you have to choose your own truths. But when I argue I want to at least see people quote something from the canon source instead of headcanons, and since the other anon did the former I dont have much issue

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>>37423898
Orlok

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shit taste, knife ears are hot

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>>37424038
Elves are the single most basic bitch "fantasy" thing in existence.
Plain old catgirls are more exotic.

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>>37424012
Not even remotely close to disgusting little cartilage triangles anime artists love so much.

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>>37424128
Elves are still better.
They live longer, are cuter on average and are very compatible with humans and can sometimes be seen as humans if their ears are hidden.

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only basic bitch thing here is you and your shit taste lol

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>>37404062
Dyke shipping

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>>37407064
>>37422395
>>37423774
False paradise set up by youkai.
>>37423985
>>37424005
That is a cope

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>>37423781
I never liked Eiki being depicted as a loli. I see her more as slim or petite if anything

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>>37422306
She's lazy, but she's far from incompetent. If anybody does try to pass through the gate, she will immediately wake up to deal with the intruder; that's how well trained she is at doing her job in her sleep.

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>>37422395
>but humans being youkai"s food source is a running gag used in the canon game
Every time it's brought up it's about how the youkai never get the chance to actually attack humans.

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>>37424155
What the fuck do you like, shitty as WoW elf ears? mini lop elf ears are the only time knife ears have been cute.

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Not too knowledgeable about Tenshi, what started the sadomasochism thing?

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>>37426502
When SWR was first released people called her one since she just wanted to fight people but kept getting her ass throughly beat in every story mode.

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>>37426918
Isn't her win-lose ratio the same? Atleast I remember her winning as much as she lost.

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>>37426918
Really? I only have seen her in the manga, but isnt she is born a celestial and therefore is really strong?

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>>37425950
Dude, did you forgot the Fortune Teller incident and the last incident where the youkai from a youma book possess Kosuzu? The horse youkai that possess a human who mistreated his horse? Maybe we can count in Kasen trying to imprison Reimu for eternity in hell too

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>>37428896
She isn't born as a Celestial, she turn into one. Also yeah she really strong, so strong that Sakuya's knifes couldn't hurt her and she was able to pin down Oni Kasen, who had been kicking Remus butt before Tenshi arrived. Pluse her body is poisens to Youkais

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>>37423378
I'm sure you already know about pic related, short and sweet.
Gensoukoumuten has a story with Patchouli and an OC doctor. Normally that would be a red flag, but it's pulled off very well. Not surprising given the author.
If you don't mind yuri, DYNAMO does great stuff with Nazrin and Shou. He explores their lore/relationship and lets the romance compliment the story rather than take the forefront.

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>>37428970
This lore is getting dumber with every fucking manga I swear. Is that difficult to letting it be just games where girls just shoot stuff?

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>>37429130
This is shit that's shown throughout various games as well. Fuck off secondary

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>>37404062
Immature Shikieiki, NEET Kaguya and M Tenshi are some that I hate the most because of how wide spread they are.

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>>37428970
Doesn't Sakuya deliberately blunt her knives so she doesn't mcmurder everyone in a spell card fight?

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>>37429812
> He thinks caring about anything else rather than gameplay in a fucking game is being secondary.

Stick your mangas up your ass lorefag.

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>>37431563
Reimu's giant needles are canonically sharp enough that they rust because theyre encrusted in youkai's blood, so I doubt Sakuya nerves her knives. Danmakus are also dangerous enough that Reimu, Marisa and Yukari have to protect the villagers during Grimoire of Usami when Shinmy and Seija hijacked the event.

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>>37431872
trying too hard, go back to wherever you came from

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>>37431872
You have a point but why are you in a lore thread when you dont care about the lore?

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>>37431932
He doesn't have a point because these are traits of her character that are shown through story modes and endings, and he's calling the manga spinoffs stupid as a result. He's way off the point entirely.

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>>37428954
>Fortune Teller
Was a human who planned to use another human, and didn't hurt Kosuzu either.

>Last Incident
Kosuzu did that on her own and also wasn't hurt. Why she was allowed to live is only because Yukari shitposted Reimu into oblivion. Both her and Yukari should have died.

>Horse youkai
Entirely the human's fault. The human was the one who ate the horse and not the reverse as well.

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>>37431988
>Kosuzu did that on her own and also wasn't hurt.
All Kosuzu did was take hold of the youma books. The youkai possessing her attacked Marisa using Kosuzu's body, and fought Mamizou using Kosuzu's body that can potentially hurt or even kill Kosuzu. She wasnt hurt only because Mamizou was honourable enough to keep her word with Reimu, otherwise like she herself said, it'll be easier for her to just kill Kosuzu and take the youma book
>Entirely the human's fault
Still doesnt dismiss the fact that youkais not only attack but kills humans when they feel like it. Also Marisa states that humans do die from Tanuki's pranks, and Mystia attacks the protagonists first in IN, and from Reimu's route Mystia was disappointed because youre not a tasty human passing by, while Remi's route has Mystia demanded that Remilia hand over the human(Sakuya) to her.

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>>37431879
I always wondered if Danmaku actually hurt or could prove fatal if handled wrongly. Obviously Okuu could create giant balls of flame comparable to suns, but I can't find anything too notable outside of Remilia's gungnir being described as a knife.

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It's weird how a lot of these fanon gags, cliche, and flanderizations have been going for nearly 20 years by now.

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>>37422395
>the boogyman of youkais being untrustworthy and are human"s number one enemies are taught by the likes of Akyuu herself
Read the 独白/Monologue in PMiSS one of these days

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>>37404062
Excessive grimsokyo stuff, especially when it kinda bends established canon.
I don't deny that Gensokyo can be a dangerous place for humans but all the print works paint the picture of a very delicate balancing act of youkai feeding off of fear while at the same time ensuring they still have a healthy population in the village sustaining them with faith.

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>>37433504
Im probably a Grimsokyo fag, but I still hate that psycopath Flandre or Koishi though. Plus when I do argue with anti Grimsokyo I brought up canon materials all the time. But the few anti Grimsokyos that know what theyre talkinga bout like the ones in this thread can bring in canon materials as argument too, so it become a stalemate there

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>>37421270
>coomers
Time to go back

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>>37432321
The youkai gave that whole speech she gave too? Don't fall for it just because she's cute.

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>>37432321
>Still doesnt dismiss the fact that youkais not only attack but kills humans
It didn't attack him and it didn't kill him. He got possessed by it out of revenge for eating it, he put it inside his own body. Reimu is the one who killed him because his mind was gone. Youkai did nothing wrong except order people to dig up some plants and wasn't bothering anyone at all in the city, even though it had a chance to trample Kosuzu to death or something.

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>>37434389
>but I still hate that psycopath Flandre
Confirmed in 17.5, you lost.

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>>37434562
> He got possessed by it out of revenge for eating it, he put it inside his own body.
Might as well starve the whole village since they'll never know if they're gonna make some youkai angry just for eating some animals. If that youkai wasnt a threat then why Reimu go out of her way to kill it? Also since you dodged my question about Mystia, remember when Keine attacks you because she thought youre a pair of youkais trying to attack the village? One of the first thing Mokou said when you first met was how you are a fool for wondering the youkai infested forest at night. Also Akyuu asked Aya to accompany her to Reimu's shrine at the end of the manga because the shrine is outside the village, and mentioned that tengus PRIDES THEMSELVES IN KIDNAPPING HUMANS. And back when Kosuzu went missing, one of the main reason they suspect of is that she is kidnapped by a youkai.

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>>37434695
>If that youkai wasnt a threat then why Reimu go out of her way to kill it?
Same way she went out of her way to kill fortune teller but not Kosuzu. You know why.

>Also since you dodged my question about Mystia
I didn't, I just stopped reading your post and didn't want to triple post once I reread it. I knew you were enough of an argumentative lowlife to bring it up again, so I just waited.

>remember when Keine attacks you because she thought youre a pair of youkais trying to attack the village?
Remember how Keine is a youkai herself?

>One of the first thing Mokou said when you first met was how you are a fool for wondering the youkai infested forest at night.
She said while sitting on top of a pile of youkai bodies, right? This night thing is important itself, since a lot of people seem to not realize you can walk around Gensokyo during the day. The humans aren't literally imprisoned in the village, they freely wander all over the place.

>Also Marisa states that humans do die from Tanuki's pranks
They die from fairy pranks and human pranks too.

>Mystia
Was wandering a road where she knew humans never came down anymore. She also had a chance to attack people in PoFV but didn't really. Given she was scared a small group of fairies was going to kill her, she can't be that powerful in actuality. Also she thinks a maid is different from a human in her conversation with Remilia. Beyond that her new canon of making humans blind so she can get them to buy food from her usurped any other legend about her. She's fed more humans than she's eaten, not to mention fueling the joke about being eaten by a former human. Also she doesn't attack the protagonists first. She calls out to them and is lucky they even pay attention to her. In most cases the protags start shit with her. All in all she's not a real threat, she's the type of youkai you could bop on the head and move on. Just a dumb little girl who likes to sing.

>Kidnapping
see >>37432996
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Monologue
Besides that, in real world legends they just like to kidnap boys for a while, so you'd probably be more likely just to spend a non-consensual weekend "preening Aya's feathers" than be eaten. If you call that dangerous, then sure youkai are dangerous and Gensoyko is a hell hole. "No, Aya! let me go! Please don't make me eat all the eggs!".

Youkai do attack humans, but it's because 'attacking humans is a youkai's job.' But it's not as >>37422395 implies where the humans in the village are stuck in some Attack on Titan-like situation. They kidnap humans, then give them back. They threaten to eat humans and then have them go tell others so they can keep their youkai cred. The only youkai that are really dangerous are the ones that are basically low level, unintelligent animals to begin with, and at that point it's like saying dogs are a danger to humanity because wolves lurk in the woods at night.

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>>37435460
What the fuck how do I get into a situation where I get to preen Aya's feathers (as a euphemism or literally are both fine)

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>>37435637
You have to be a priest they can morally corrupt, an innocent shota(possibly a kusogaki type), or be in danger of something bad happening to you on the outskirts of the village while no one else is around.

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>>37435767
Sadly I am no longer a shota nor am I a priest. I guess I will never get to preen Aya's feathers....\

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>>37435820
Don't give up hope, anon. How knows, Aya could take pity on us and allows us to stick it in.

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>>37435460
>"No, Aya! let me go! Please don't make me eat all the eggs!".
Oh no
Aya's into feading

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>>37404137
This is literally the thread intended for exactly that.
You make it sound like that would be a bad thing.

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>>37416377
>Then I search for Nazrin and get a bunch of incomprehensible cookie stuff. It doesn't even look like fanon, more like a complete spinoff.
<span class="sjis">Hi
I play a mouse.
It was really fun.
Uh...
Subscribe</span>

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But what are some instances of GOOD fanon? Buff Yuugi is definitely one of the best.

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>>37443879
Well, the remixes of those fanons like Convictor Yamaxanadu and Alice Stole the Precious Thing are nice I guess

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>>37443879
Maribel Hearn is a descendant of Yukari as opposed to Yukari herself

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>>37441885
that would be 19.19

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>>37404062
Depictions Renko and Maribel living in the modern day, or otherwise interacting with Touhous who should be significantly older and/or dead by the time their stories take place. Before Sumireko was introduced it seemed like half the fanbase didn't realize that they're supposed to be living in the future.

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>>37404210

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>>37450784
What's this called?

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>>37448604
They live in the future but they time travel when going to Gensokyo. There was some message Maribel left that was several hundred years old when it was discovered in Gensokyo.

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>>37451975
So its kinda like Kimi no Nawa shit?

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>>37407064
>I hate the other groups of people who insist Gensokyo is a paradise for humans
Compared to the outside world, it is.

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>>37452724
Depends on how you perceive paradise I guess. Sure being a Gensokyo human means you dont have to worry shit about famine, natural disaster or disease, but you also cant access most of the advance technology,, but seeing both Mamizou and Sanae being fine with it I guess it wasnt that bad. Oh and if you want to go to Gensokyo to meet your Touhou waifu, the chances are kinda low unless Reimu or anyone else host an event, since you can't really meet youkais in normal circumstances and even if you do you won't recognize them since they usually wear disguises when they encounter humans.

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>>37456068
>the chances are kinda low unless Reimu or anyone else host an event
We all know how rare parties are in Gensokyo.

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>>37459593
Just convince Reimu that she'll profit from those stalls like that one time she tried to leech a whole month from 'Day of the bird' until her shrine almost burned down on the third day

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>>37404062
1) Picturing the Scarlet sisters with pointy ears and nails/claws of any color that doesn't naturally occur in humans, most prominently red. As well as every other Touhou who suffers from these shitty interpretations, too.
2) Touhous (usually those perceived as mature) using chemically made facial cosmetics. The sight of 3DPDs in their war paint is nauseating, I'm not shunning them and going for imaginary women because I want to see my innocent 2D girls and traditional ladies looking just like those modern bipedal pigs.
3) "Everyone in Gensokyo is gay."
4) A special mention goes to the new caste of retards that go further than "everywun is gay hurr durr" and use Touhous to promote right trains and other kinds of recently discovered mental illnesses with colorful flags, typically by arbitrarily attaching those flags to Touhous.
5) Yuukarin being treated as a hypersexual nymphomaniac in porn.

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>>37452724
How did you even reach this conclusion at all?

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>>37460160

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I would think that for most /jp/sies, the lack of technology would be anything but paradise.

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>>37456068
There's quite a few that show up in the village from time to time. Obviously this doesn't extend to the more reclusive ones.
I know Ran was mentioned doing errands regularly in the human village.

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>>37460222
I knew someone would be thinking along these lines, but Gensokyo probably wouldn't be what he's looking for because
1) It's dependant enough on the outside world that a disaster there would cause a disaster in Gensokyo, and since the outside world is likely dependant on technology (that is to say in danger of destruction) this would not be a good situation
2) The human villagers do not enjoy any particular freedoms even if industrial technology and all the things that come with it are a good deal less prevalent there
3) Those darn Kappa would make things even worse with their tinkering

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>>37404260
This is, enduringly, my favorite yukkuri image

the ennui of actual aya, the smug grin

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>>37460582
Maybe, but once there I could focus 100% of my energy into some powerful religious stuff.

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>>37461372
It helps when the subject of your worship is very real and physically present.

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>>37461490
Same, at least I know that I'm not crying and praying to an empty wall and someone is actually listening.

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>>37461683
>>37461490
A: If it's physical then you know its limitations
B: Gods aren't wish granting genies, especially not Japanese ones which are more like "please don't kill me with a drought" more than "please make it rain"

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>>37460099
>Picturing the Scarlet sisters with pointy ears and nails/claws of any color that doesn't naturally occur in humans, most prominently red.
It's probably because Ran and Mystia have those kinds of nails.

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>>37461860
A, You know what an avatar is, right?
B, So?

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>>37461683
What concerns you so much to this extent, meatbag, that you would something like this?

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>>37461860
>If it's physical then you know its limitations
Thats the point of having diffrent types of Gods and religions in Gensokyo, you worship whichever can grant you stuff of your interests. Meanwhile here you'll be damned in hell if you identify yourself to another religion of the same fucking God.
>What concerns you so much to this extent
Its just stuff indoctrinated into you ever since youre a toddler in my country

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>>37462137
Elaborate in-depth please, if you will.
The way you put it is quite strange.

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>>37461933
As far as I am aware. Ran does not, but Chen does... kind of. And how the fuck does it follow, anyway when the Scarlets are literally never shown with either of those traits in canon art?

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>>37460099
>Yuukarin being treated as a hypersexual nymphomaniac in porn
You can replace Yuuka in that sentence with any girl. Porn artists looking to fulfill a commission/personal fetish don't normally care enough to research the character beyond surface level. And even if they do, lewd takes precedence over accuracy.

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>>37462603
Oh I mean Chen and Mystia, I don't know why I wrote Ran then.

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>>37465950
>>37462603
Oh and it follows because if loli monsters were to have nails, then they would have nails like those two, those two being more or less the only examples of girls with long nails. That's without even getting into the vampire and blood association.

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If you know how to push Yuuka's button, she will turn full sadist in an instant.
Also knife ears are great. You have a shit taste if you think otherwise. It's what sets youkai apart from humans at a glance already.

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>>37461948
>A, You know what an avatar is, right?
A violation of GR13.

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>>37404062
Other than the abominations known as Yukkuris, probably slut Sanae. She is a good girl, stop.

I'm also mildly annoyed when Hisoutensoku is depicted as an actual giant robot instead of just an advertising balloon.

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>>37456068
>but you also cant access most of the advance technology
That's not true anymore, swing by Kourin's and you can have all the slightly outdated modern electronics you want.

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>>37407064
>Does fanonfags even know Aya is one of the stronger youkais in Gensokyo?

...And Mokou scared Aya shitless in her Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red. Wow, Mokou must be really strong!

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>>37467156
With no outlets to plug them into…

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>>37467982
Just olug 'em into Tojiko

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>>37467982
What's the point of the fusion power reactor if everyone doesn't have electricity now?

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>>37468479
Free warm baths, but seriously trying to implement one outlet together with Kourin using outdated junk could probably be fun as hell.

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>>37431879
Reimu is shown to practice different levels of restraint based on what her enemies can take, implied both with the zombie fairies and stated with Mokou where she only deals lethal force into something that can't die at all in the case of a spell card battle. Her weapons for dealing with fairies and Marisa are different to what she uses to fight youkai are different to what she uses to fight gods and immortals.

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>>37462137
I refuse to believe sakuya could be an atheist considering there are actual gods living in gensokyo

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>>37468550
Hot springs are NOT the end goal of the nuclear fusion research you secondaries!

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>>37466002
That's not how logic works, you baka. It does not follow.

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>>37467315
There's a good chance Mokou is older than Aya, so yes she is.

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>>37467315
I would be scared too if Mokou threaten to eat me

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>>37475014
How does age into power work?

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>>37476351
According to her lore she learns all kinds of sorcery during her long life, so much that she can stand up to youkais. Aya is pretty strong too though. Plus age into power doesn't always work, Tewi is among the oldest youkai too but she isnt that strong.

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>>37470112
It was a cool side effect though. Nice picture for Wriggle by the way.

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>>37476351
It's a Taoism concept, I think.
The older something is, the more natural power it accumulates.

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>>37476718
>Tewi is among the oldest youkai too but she isnt that strong.
says who

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>>37480120
>says who
You mean the fact that she is old or she isnt strong? You can refer to Perfect Memento btw

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>>37480472
That she isn't strong. PMISS doesn't say that.

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>>37480522
>She has a very mischievous personality, but can be cowardly and shifty
Also her only described power is 'bringing good luck'. Although her being weak is kinda weird, considering she is the leader of the rabbit

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>>37480627
So it doesn't say anything about it.

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>>37480634
Even Aya has high level threat, and she is one of those youkais who never fight seriously and make businesses with humans. Tewi threat level is low

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>>37404062
I hate everything.
I hate ZUNs shit too, I think hes a fucking hack and shouldnt ever pick up a pencil, also his games literally went to shit after Touhou 1.

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>>37480627
She's very powerful for a rabbit.

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>>37484125
I mean, even Cirno is very powerful for a fairy too. Heck Akyuu outright tell in her writings how she is more dangerous and stronger than the other fairies, and instead of suggesting to fight her, she instead recommend you to give Cirno a riddle and quickly run while Cirno is thinking.Tewi get none of those acknowledgment. Her threat level is still low though.

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>>37484230
Tewi's threat level is extremely high if you're still a virgin.

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>>37481007
Threat level isn't power level.

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>>37484940
Then enlighten me why Aya and Yuuka who almost never attacks humans have high and very high threat level respectively, while Rumia who Akyuu warned to eat humans is only medium
>>37484709
Tewi WILL surrender to cock!

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>>37467315
Mokou won't die no matter how hard Aya hits her, and she reacts to things in weird ways. She's also known to get obsessed with vengeance.

Imagine a human has created a fireball in their hand and is about to throw it at you, so you charge in to interrupt them... and they just detonate it at point-blank range. You don't take a lot of damage, but humans are frail creatures so the explosion has left your opponent horribly burned, to the point of melting their face off. They don't even flinch in pain, they just keep attacking you as their flesh grows back, laughing and shouting "Kill me! Kill me!" excitedly.

That's exaggerated for effect, but the point is that it's easy to believe someone could find Mokou unsettling.

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>>37443879
Loving housewife Seija.
Cool badass never-give-up-fuck-you Seija is still my favorite, but sweet and sour Amanojaku romance is really cute too.

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>>37496796
I never see Seija being torn down as a fanon character honestly, even her lewd are drawn with her signature flat scrawny body, at worst her buist arent drawn in an exaggrated manner. Which is good since she is my favourite touhou

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>>37404097
I like yukkuris but I hate the poop obsession people who draw them have.

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>>37443879
Honestly Okamisty is one my favorite pieces of fanon because it just feels right.

Also buff yuugi is great.

>>37445392
That unironically sounds a lot better honestly.

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>>37480472
I would't take anything written by Akyuu as gospel, especially regarding power levels.

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>All this talk about Youkai devouring humans either being a thing or not being a thing
>People forgetting one of the core ideas of Touhou was the idea that Humans could eventually learn to live with Youkai, with one of Reimu's goals (with Yukari possibly behind her) changing the core nature of Youkai from eating flesh to living off of fear.
>The entire point of Touhou being coexistance, which is ZUN's entire stance on the world and cultures
I feel like it's been so long since this has been a plot point that everyone just kind of forgot.
Remember the Occult Balls and how that was gonna be a huge thing?

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>>37503759
So what doujin did you get that from?

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>>37503759
>coexistence
>parasitism
Funny.

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>>37504970
>also unethically warping entities

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>>37503759
>>People forgetting one of the core ideas of Touhou was the idea that Humans could eventually learn to live with Youkai
Also Grimsokyo isnt just about whether youai eat humans or not. The human villagers are literally controlled by youkais. Information flow is controlled by tengu, and the zashiki warashi make sure the humans are not up to anything fishy. Youkais wont let them advance beyond their outdated era as that means youkai may be forgotten again. Also denying that youkais do eat humans is foolish when one of Akyuu's precaution about Rumia is 'to not attempt conversation with her as she eats humans'. They dont even need to devour humans to kill them, as pranks by tanukis and fairies are said to cause deaths, or that one time the horse youkai possessed the horse owner and took over his body.

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This Thread sure moved fast to a different topic.

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>>37506818
You mean the 3 guys who won't shut up about grimhou doing what they do best?

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>>37503759
>Remember the Occult Balls and how that was gonna be a huge thing?
No?

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>>37503759
The occult balls was just a contingency plan for Sagume, it has no reason to exist after Touhou 15.

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>>37404410
I feel you, man. I don't understand how people can like these characters nor how they caught on. There are so many characters that are far more interesting, go invest your imagination on them.

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>>37404964
That's another really bad one. I don't see why people try to make her into something she's not, let alone why they latch onto her in the first place.

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>>37506887
They do have a point,although they seem to go to far.

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>>37503759
Youkai never needed to eat humans for sustenance. They're spiritual, not biological beings.

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>>37536472
True, but they will when given a chance because they can. Plus with how much Reimu and co did to keep the human villagers safe, can you even blame any youkais that do got their hands on one of the ones who are foolish enough to get into that kind of situation?

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>>37422395
>picrel
Isnt the point that Aya wants to let Reimu pass and kick the gods out but since she was sent to stop the miko, she decided to pretend to lose and let Reimu advance towards Kanako ?

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>>37536714
Dont expose yourself as the non official anime watcher that easily anon. She insisted that you fuck off instead since she is confident that the tengus can take down the God if they want to. She only is convinced that you are up to the task after you defeat her, although she claimed that she is not seriously fighting. Aya is tengu first, reporter second, remember that.

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>>37496854
This artist does draw Seija thicker than usual, doesn't help her body grew after pregnancy.

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>>37536669
Yeah, that's the entire point of Gensokyo.

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>>37460099
>Yuukarin being treated as a hypersexual nymphomaniac in porn.
That’s my favorite one

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>>37404062
Touhous being mftl universe / galaxy busters.

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>>37541104
I don't know what this means.

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>>37541291
It means that people powerscaled Touhous so hard, that they think that most characters are massively faster than light (which is like 1000x + the speed of light) and can destroy galaxies / tank galaxy-destroying attacks

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>>37541556
Yeah those are pretty BS. Relativistic to a bit FTL is where I'd put them in terms of Speed and when it comes to fire power I don't believe they go futher then Plant Busting

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>>37542304
I mean, there are no feats at all that come even close to planet or moon busting. There aren't any feats that come even remotely close to FTL either.

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>>37542304
>>37542611
Sakuya is the one and only who can lay claim to being close to light speed, since she has time power hax. I guess there’s a few who can teleport but that isnt really the same.

Truthfully we have no idea the ‘real’ powerlevel for most characters due to danmaku being how duels are settled. But the Yorihime fight from SSiB gave us a bit more of a glimpse of their capabilities during those, and they really…aren’t that crazy. Touhou isnt dbz. Powerlevels are moderately low, which is for the best. The most I see a ‘real’ fight between the strongest characters doing to the landscape is making it look like a natural disaster like a typhoon or a high magnitude earthquake happened.

Which is still pretty big, but not planet busting garbage.

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>>37542304
>>37542855
The strongest character in terms of firepower is probably Flandre, and I doubt she can one shot anything bigger than a moon

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>>37542855
>>37542894
Exactly

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>>37542894
Flan was nerfed when she couldn't even kill the newhu. Yuyuko is probably next with her ability to cause death becoming something people can be resuscitated from or something.

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>>37542855
Youmu's slashes are near light speed, but it's not the same as constantly moving. Eirin put the planet inside of something in order to hide it from the moon, so at least she can do things that affect the whole planet. Technically Yukari's border of fantasy/reality affects the whole planet, though it's a technicality.

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Cowboy Marisa will never not make me angry. There's no reason for her to talk like that, or for any of the Nintendo-esque localization quirks the translators have been pushing.

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>>37543918
What about Mamizou?

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>>37542855
The WaHH finale looked like something out of a battle shounen, but it doesn't go any higher than "summon a bunch of skeletons" and "pick up a stone pillar with one hand and throw it like a missile". I mean, that's still impressive but there's lots of series where characters do stuff like that.

>>37542894
Eh, I think that would be Utsuho if she went meltdown.

With the way Flan's power is described (she's applying physical pressure at the optimum point to shatter an object) she wouldn't be able to destroy something as large as a moon because even if she cracked its centre it would just get smushed back together by gravity.
You could even bullshit that, say, Junko is immune to Flan's trick because she purified away her weakpoints.

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>>37543500
Yeha, thats the thing, Yukari powers are vague

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>>37543918
What about "ze" suffix? If that's another thing you hate, then perhaps it's time to blast you away, ze!

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>>37544969
She's fine. There was a brief period where translators tried pushing her speech pattern into overdrive like Marisa's, but they dialed it back.
>>37545421
Why would I hate the original Japanese text? I love ze. Cute pic, by the way.

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>>37544978
>The WaHH finale looked like something out of a battle shounen
It was kinda low energy compared to the VFiS finale

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>>37545811
Youre saying Okina vs fairies is as intense as Reimu vs Kasen?

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>>37545867
>Youre saying Okina vs fairies is as intense as Reimu vs Kasen?
No, I was saying it was more intense. WaHH was one of those kinds where they stand around talking about the theory behind how they are able to punch each other so hard before they actually fight, while the fairy fight was all power beams and power of friendship and inspirational quips. Besides that, Okina is way more of a final boss character and had more build up. Fairies genocided, the last few gathering to fight a desperate final battle against someone who could destroy them with a wink. The variety of characters helped as well, you got the you got the protag and her crew, the overly strong guy, the double dealing guy who decides to join the good guys in the end, the green ranger, the B team, all doing their part. Kasen and Reimu aren't as far apart in power and Kasen isn't as powerful as Okina. Reimu was being a retard and had even less strategy than the fairies, and all Tenshi did was show up and throw her a senzu bean.

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>>37546150
Actually, I reread it real quick and Tenshi didn't even do that much. She was just there to tell Reimu it was time to stop jobbing.

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>>37546150
Eh, if you knew Okina well she is the kind of who just wanna show off and then fix every shit she ruins because she can easily do so. Yeah, its literally a genocide, but its not that intense since you know she can fix it right away. Her only motive is showing off, meanwhile Kasen's sealed arm literally wants to kill Reimu. Plus Reimu's and Kasen's close in power level is what makes the fight more intense, as oppose to Okina's fight with fairies who was immensely holding back while the fairies tryhard and is still unscathed. Okina literally let them have a battle meeting in the middle of a battle. Worse when you realize that Reimu vs Kasen is a real death battle unbounded by Spell Card rules. Also on defense of Reimu being a retard, she is imprisoned in hell for two days to the point of hunger and fatigue, and was confused as fuck when Kasen suddenly appeared infront of her in oni form, and got even more confused when the other Kasen that appeared who she thought was an ally is also an opponent. All that shit and she only got a riceball for compensation. The few times she was prepared she can become strategic like when she realized someone else was behind Kosuzu being possessed so she asked Mamizou to handle Kosuzu instead while she looked for the real instigator or when she figured out if ofudas dont work on Kogasa's umbrella then just use needles.

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>>37545811
I don't just mean the fight, I mean scenes like Komachi and Tenshi breaking into Kasen's house while expositing about their powers also felt like something out of a battle shounen.

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>>37543918
I think it endures partly because Marisa is like an embodiment of Texan values. Proud self-made entrepreneur who achieved everything through hard work, is pretty well-educated but acts dumb, cares deeply about community, loves flashy weapons that go boom, and isn't an anarchist but sometimes tries to quietly act as the voice of the little people against big government.

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>>37550154
Komachi would do great in shounen.

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>>37551067

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>>37551067
>>37551084
>Komachi
>hardworking

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>>37547317
>Okina literally let them have a battle meeting in the middle of a battle
Kasen literally fed Reimu and let her talk with Tenshi and didn't just walk over and take the sword shard and Reimu's arm with it even though she could.

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>>37542855
How strong the characters are is very hard to tell. The SSiB fight is no better since that's a danmaku fight. Everything in the mangas are a danmaku fight besides some straight executions, even Oni Kasen vs Reimu.

Touhou is mostly talk over show because of how Gensokyo works. Here's some stuff in contention:
- Junko's husband, Hou'yi, literally destroyed suns (that's also how Junko's son got killed in the first place). It's also straight up part of his mythology. Junko killed him.
- Makai and Shinki's existence. Creation is a much more capable feat than destruction, and the entirety of Makai was created by Shinki. Makai is a big ass place, and you can even make out stars in the distance.
- Reimu destroys the Earth in the HRtP bad ending. Yes, this is real. Look it up.
- Amitabha was mentioned in one of the SSC text, I forgot which. Amitabha is a 6x10^125 yojana tall being, larger than the known universe. Of course, we don't know if he's the same in Touhou, but this is something to note.
- The fact that NO Touhou has ever shown to fight seriously, and even then are capable of causing mass destruction. Master Spark, for example, is a laser made for playfighting, yet is mentioned to be capable of disintegrating a mountain.

Well those are some stuff I remember. Touhou is all about hax anyway, but if you look a bit deeper there's quite a bit of stuff in there that supports stronk 2hu. I disagree with the galaxy busting 2hus and mftl stuff for the most part, but they're clearly way stronger than their usually shown.

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>>37553165
>Reimu destroys the Earth in the HRtP bad ending. Yes, this is real. Look it up.
Doesnt she just wish for a fairy to do it for her?

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>>37553567
No, the fairy doesn't even appear unless it's a good ending iirc. Well saying Reimu destroyed Earth isn't really the truth either. The yin-yang orb decides to explode and the earth along with it. Just that, you know, Reimu's weapon is the yin-yang orb.

Also Amitabha's measurements is straight up mentioned in Touhou, kind of surprisingly. So if he really does exist it's quite something, makes TTGL look puny in comparison. Although we still don't know if he really does, or if he really is that big. It's a mention from Maribel.

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>>37553657
>makes TTGL look puny in comparison
No and don't start it.

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>>37554176
6x10^125 yojana tall is ridiculously fucking big. That's exponentially way, WAY bigger than the observable universe. 3,710,700,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 universes to be exact, or 3.7107x10^152.
Also, TTGL isn't even that big. TTGL and STTGL are different things.

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>>37554758
GL has no size limits other than will power of the user.
Neither does the universe, ultimately, being a construction.
Drooling over math is a silly affair.

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>>37553165
Funnily enough Remilia had the upper hand until Spellcard rules were proposed then she lost.

[Anonymous No.]

Also Gensokyo is not a human paradise.
It IS a Youkai Paradise, but you're life there is not gonna be particularly exciting. You're not gonna have any electronics, and are probably gonna spend all your time doing farmwork or other menial jobs.

Keep in mind that the ordinary Joe in Gensokyo is NOT REIMU AND MARISSA.

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>>37555639
Furthermore As Reimu herself says, Gensokyo is fragile. Everything needs to balance out properly or the place is gonna crack like an egg.

There must be multitudes of powerful Youkai that we haven't seen yet and a good portion must have malicious motives.

Humans exist in Gensokyo for a reason. To feed Youkai with their fear. Take that away Youkai start a battle Royale.

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>>37425649
I agree with you but I've also nutted to that one yassy pic like 20 times

[Anonymous No.]

>>37423898
Disgaea has amazing designs though.

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>>37552904
>didn't just walk over
You do know how ridiculously strong Tenshi is right? Plus in exchange Reimu holds herself back a lot as well in the fight, she never use anything beyond her ofuda and Fantasy Seal. If you think Kasen is being merciful, remember that her main plan was not fighting Reimu at all but imprisoning her in hell for eternity. Giving Reimu onigiri is just her way of making herself feel generous after what she has done to give Reimu a handicap fight of fighting her in an exhausted and hungry stated on top of being confused. How can you feel intense with Okina and fairies fight when you know she can just snap her fingers and the fairies would be gone in an instant?

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>>37559836
How can you feel intense when everyone is holding back and Tenshi would just beat up Kasen if Reimu had lost?

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>>37404410
What are you talking about? She appears a good number of times in the manga and on the official books.

Hell, she even appeared again in the GFW extra stage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>37555639
Marisa is an ordinary magician though.

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>>37560543
She has no reason to beat up Kasen though? She was there to help Reimu, if Reimu died somehow she has no motivation for revenge since they dont even know each other that much and only just met recently. Worst case scenario we got someone putting up a bounty on Kasen and then Reimu is going to be replaced. If anyone is going for her head for revenge its going to be her human friends.

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>>37555639
I don't get why so many people on /jp/ have this mindset that they're not cut out to be anything more than a faceless peasant. If I found out that magic was real you bet your ass I'm dedicating the rest of my life to becoming as good at magic as humanly possible.

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>>37561797
Good luck.

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>>37561797
>>37555639
Yukari vets the type of outsiders that wander into Gensokyo specifically so the amount of people with the motivation to actually do something will never get in and upset the balance. It's why she spirits away only the dregs nobody will know or miss: trying to put a soldier, or scholar, or anything else is a recipe for disaster, as shown by Sumireko who more or less brute-forced her way into getting inside.

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>>37561868
If a dumb dork like Sumireko can do it, anybody can.

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>>37561868
Are the spirited away outsiders being suicidal canon? I didnt see those in PMiSS/Outsider AFAIK

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>>37562498
Not suicidal, but there is a ZUN story about a group of people getting into Gensokyo and getting fucking slaughtered.

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>>37562498
People are referencing the vampire entry in regards to the humans that are given to them by the youkai: 外の人間で、死ぬ価値のない人間（例えば自殺者など）と言われている。
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Vampire

It doesn't say anything about that being the general case of humans from the outside ended up there.

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>>37562223
Her coming and gping in creates problems. Yukari has to do something with mannequins so that people and items in gensokyo dont go to the outside world in exchange for Usami coming in. (WaHH)

She can only continue coming in because Yukari wants her to.

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>>37562693
Dolls in Pseudo Paradise.

Absolutely recommended read.

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>>37562724
And something simmilar from WaHH. I dont remember the exact quote but it was something like

"Youkai in Gensokyo get their food from somewhere after all..."

Also the human villagers are descendants of Youkai Hunters and are probably not as helpless as they seem.
Not capable as Reimu or Marissa but not as weak as you or me.

Pretty sure Yukari or some other sage keeps the human population from growing. (Because why shouldnt it?) By controlling their fertitlity rates and what not.

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Another big misconception.
Yukaris boundary manipulation is not as all powerful as some people here (and specially in VSBattles) make it out to be.

SSiB specifically states that there are counter measures that can be taken to prevent boundary manipulation, which is why Yukari can only Gap there in very specific circumstances.

Also Oni Kasen is probably as strong as or is stronger than Yukari. People grossly overstate Yukaris capabilities.

Another one is the Spell Card rules. Youkai can ignore them if they want to. At the risk of painting a huge target on their back. Like in Dolls in Pseudo Paradise, Youkai probably can ignore it in secret.

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I wonder if the balance between humans and youkai is actually dynamic. As time progresses more and more youkai of various types winds up in Gensokyo but they rarely ever die, so the human population might also correspondingly increase to match (with certain deterrents and checks in place to control it but still).

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>>37562982
Unlikely I think.
There are few Youkai left in the outside world.

So the Youkai population is unlikely to increase by alot. Most are already in Gensokyom

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>>37563026
Virtually none it seems.

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Another Misonception - Danmaku is Harmlesss.
Disproven in Grimore of Usami. Danmaku can hurt or even kill Humans (or Youkai) if they end up hitting someone.

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Hakurei Shrine in the outside world is not run down as Fannon says it it.
In WaHH, its shown / said to be a tourist attraction by Yukari.

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>>37404062
i really dislike how they make Shiki to be a super stern and angry judgy person
when during all of her conversations in PoFV she is always smiling while wanting the other to repent and change so they dont go to hell

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>>37563072
My mistake it was SaBNd not Wahh. Lol.

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>>37563052
Yep, even in WaaH Reimu's needles are said to be so rusted because they're so encrusted in youkai blood.
>>37562970
Correct me if I'm wrong but dont you need to be able to play Danmaku in the first place to be protected under the Spellcard rule? Rumia also canonically eat humans based on PMiSS, so the only ones who have ever break that rule is Seija(cheat items) and Junko(ignoring beauty=power but then again she is not bound by the rule in the first place when she is not even from Gensokyo)

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>>37563436
The spellcard rules (according to the draft) only specify combatants. But it seems to protect Humans in General. Specifying that Humans cant be killed even if they are defeated with spellcards.
It seems to be Taboo to attack Humans from the Village.

It seems that according to the Lotus Eaters manga Youkai dont even really show up in the village unless in Disguise.

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>>37563436
Its more fitting to say that you need approved spell cards to play Danmaku

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>>37563436
The spellcard rules seem to protect eveyone regardless of whether they decide to use Danamku or not. As in attacks must be agreed on beforehand, and Humans not being killed even if they loose.

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I made a Touhou fangame in C for a uni project. My professor called it a "moving bride game"
He though Reimu is a bride.

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>>37562926
>Pretty sure Yukari or some other sage keeps the human population from growing
I dont think they need to do that since human villagers dont have to worry about famine and natural disasters due to youkais guarding the village, and dying to youkai is almost impossible unless you go outside the village at night or went to Underworld. And then you have the occasional outsiders coming in to move in the village.

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>>37563075
You can blame most touhou bullshit on IOSYS and their shitty song videos.

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>>37563708
Are you not aware? She is a married woman now.

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>>37563708
Wait so you can sercretly make your future to be wife cosplay as Reimu with a shitty excuse like 'its a bride dress'?

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>>37563780
>future wife

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>>37404062
Dumb question but what's the game source of that Tenshi model?

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>>37563839
It's fanart.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/503057

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>>37562926
>"Youkai in Gensokyo get their food from somewhere after all..."
That quote is probably like people taking Yukari's powers to extremes. Youkai mainly eat the same things as humans and there isn't enough food for them and the humans with just the village farms.

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As someone who only ever seen Tenshi in WaaH how did people even relate her with Yuuka?

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>>37565238
She was the final boss in SWR for everyone but herself and seemed to greatly enjoy all the people coming to beat her up, amplified by the fact that celestials are very physically durable so she could take any amount of punishment. Her own story mode eventually has her get back at everyone but people couldn't shake the feeling that this meant she was a little (extremely) masochistic. Back in PoFV, thanks to Yuuka's propensity to tease and bully whoever she comes across coupled with her strange dialogues which occasionally sound like thinly veiled threats, people took her to be an archetypal sadist. Then they just put the two together.

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>>37565411
Wtf? I mean I can at least people who ship Alice and Marisa or even Kogasa and Sanae since they have some good interactions but people really do ship pairs just from that?

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>>37565726
It was occasionally played off as romantic, often as sexual, but most of the time it was comedic, like the warugaki doujin(s) where Tenshi gets her back snapped in two.
Depends entirely on whether you take stuff like pic related as shipping or not.

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>>37563052
Some of the defeat portraits have blood on them if you look closely, I know Urumi has it.
>>37563756
IOSYS ended up getting their insanity from JP imageboard shitposting (at least early on) so either way it's just old JP fandom autism that somehow managed to stick around far longer than it should have.

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>>37565726
People would ship characters for even the smallest of reasons. There was a brief period when people shipped Hina and Nitori because everyone else in MoF was shipped with someone else.

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>>37570363
Seeing how mature she is in the mangas compared to her memed song feels really wrong

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>>37467078
>I'm also mildly annoyed when Hisoutensoku is depicted as an actual giant robot
Gensokyo clearly needs lots of giant robots there and there though

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>>37572280
>Gensou Shoujo Taisen gets to Hisoutensoku
>It's a Super Robot Wars fangame filled with mecha homages, so this is the most logical place you could ever make it a robot
>Its depiction of Hisoutensoku is just a parade float, 100% accurate to canon
>Then the OC final boss is basically Doremy before ZUN invented her, and uses the cast's initial misconceptions of Hisoutensoku to create a Dream Hisoutensoku that's actually a robot (complete with retro-SRW music and a Breast Fire attack)

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>>37572516
>>Then the OC final boss is basically Doremy before ZUN invented her, and uses the cast's initial misconceptions of Hisoutensoku to create a Dream Hisoutensoku that's actually a robot (complete with retro-SRW music and a Breast Fire attack)
that's fucking sick i love it

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Just read the Dolls in Pseudo Paradise(in wiki) and damn that's dark. Is it just me or anyone else think 'the blonde girl' is Alice? The name 'Dolls' and ,the last place where everyone is killed is a Western themed house seems to give that vibe

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>>37566025
It's one of the most retarded aspects of the Fandom. Just like the Sakuya Pats, Loli Eiki or NEET Kaguya.

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>>37589197
>It's one of the most CLASSIC and FUN aspects of the Fandom. Just like the Sakuya Pads, Loli Eiki or NEET Kaguya.

Fix'd.

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>>37583452
Why did she do it bros?

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Just casually skimmed and what the fuck is this PISS or Wahh shit you guys are saying? I can never tell which ones you mean on an English forum.

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>>37589770
>And we've only just met after so long, old friend.
>Have you only brought me your life as a gift?
Alice is just creepy like that.

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>>37589822
PiSS= Perfect Memento in Strict Sense
Compilation of writings by Akyuu on Gensokyo
WaaH= Wild and Horned Hermit
One of the more famous mangas of Touhou

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>>37589885
That sounds like the edgy shit my Classmates used to say to eathother back in High Schoolm

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>>37589197
NEET Kaguya isnt that much of a fandom invention.

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>>37596485
Her dopey game art also didn't help.

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>>37572516
I approve

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>>37493105
nibber dying causes mokou immense amounts of pain

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>>37583452
I always knew she couldn't be trusted.

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>>37452724
It's a paradise in the same way living in North Korea is a paradise. If you shut up and do what you are expected to do, it's perfectly fine. That's about it though.

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>>37503759
The idea that Humans and youkai could coexist seems to have been mostly abandoned in favor for youkai just being straight up evil and their existence being a mistake. At absolute best, they aren't beyond saving. But a lot of them are just through and through evil and it's pretty hard to say they could ever change.

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>>37562926
>Also the human villagers are descendants of Youkai Hunters and are probably not as helpless as they seem.
It's hard to say how canon that is. The Perfect Cherry blossom outright stated that the Human Villagers were all insanely badass. But nothing since then seems to indicate as such. Even mages being commonplace has basically been forgotten.

>>37562724
>>37562498
They are mostly just people that are easily missed. Going by what we know, that seems to include suicidal people. But also children and the like.

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>>37624016
>The Perfect Cherry blossom outright stated that the Human Villagers were all insanely badass.
When was that?

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last bump

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While im generally fan of much brighter side of gensokyo, i hate when touhous are turned into pure moeblobs (with exception of kogasa and such).

Even if they are nice and friendly i still want them to have bit of that arrogance and "sharpness" that youkai have at least on surface.

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literally anything related to Rumia
what a useless whore

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>>37633294
You mean you don't like heckin EX-Rumia?

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Speaking of the Villagers. Aren't they descended of Youkai Hunter who settled the Region?

Why the fuck did they allow themselves to be cut off from the Outside World and agree to be part of the system that keeps their Enemies alive?

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>>37638324
Like almost all "serious" elements of touhou world building - don't think about it too hard.

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>>37460099
You are a man of taste and culture just like me. I can handle the faggotry in small doses but the moment its made obvious that the only reason its being done is for mental illness propaganda I fucking lose it.

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>>37562850
Makes you wonder why Yukari is so permissive with Sumi

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>>37632872
I like it when things are bright and cheery but have an edge. The false paradise that really is a paradise as long as you dont go looking for trouble. Its probably because of my love of TAMNI as a kid but im a sucker for a world of adventure with an underbelly that will eat you alive if you get unlucky or go to the wrong place at the wrong time.

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>>37563756
This is why secondaries are cancer. When you know how the characters actually are and participate the "community" often then go and watch the IOSYS stuff its a fun parody of the character that has some truth to it and is used in an entertaining way. When you are introduced to Touhou through it though you take it as gospel and go on to propogate the idea that character X is stereotype Y and miss the whole fucking point while feeding the interpretation. Its a self perpetuating cycle of ignorance.

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>>37561797
You bet your ass i'll channel my hyperautism in gensokyo. I too don't understand the simultaneous wish to be in a literal paradise and then to do nothing at all found on here.

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>>37638324
We genuinely don't know if that is still canon. Originally the human villagers were all supposed to be capable youkai hunters that effectively got stuck in Gensokyo when the barrier went up against their will. PMISS seemed to imply that only some of the inhabitants were actually all that capable. Nowadays, they are basically utterly useless human shaped cattle ruled over from the shadows so who knows how they ended up in Gensokyo.

>>37624985
The PCB prologue. Especially, this bit:
>Why is Gensokyo a paradise for both humans and youkai?
>That's because everyone has enough power to defeat youkai in combat, which is, of course, anything but boring.
Basically, this seems to imply that people like Reimu and Marisa where the norm rather than expection.

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>>37404062
A lot of the hag jokes kind of annoy me because most of the time they involve character that are literally described as supernaturally beautiful. It's a minor point compared to a lot of other things mentioned on this thread, but I just don't find it all that funny.

Also, Marisa being a straight up immoral thug. She's not a good girl by most measures, but compared to most of the cast she might as well be a freaking saint.

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>>37639327
I feel like this is three things:
-ZUN changing his mind on what the series should from that early stage.
-Unreliable narration from someone who IS that strong.
-Possibly technically true, while almost "everyone" has the power to do it, very few people have both the means and will to do so.

>>37404062
When doujin artists make everyone a fucked up nymphomaniac.

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>>37639485
Also
>Descended from
Its been quite a few years since the beginning here. Generations even. Id bet every single person on this godforsaken site can trace their lineage back to at least one veteran of a war or even multiple in the case of euros but we are far and away from warriors here. Just because your great grandad was really into the hunter clan shit doesnt mean that you are.

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>>37639366
>Also, Marisa being a straight up immoral thug. She's not a good girl by most measures, but compared to most of the cast she might as well be a freaking saint.
This, if anyone of the humans you can consider literal cunt its Reimu. The worst Marisa has ever done is stealing, and Marisa was the one who scolded Reimu back in pre HSiSF chapter in WaaH because Reimu was ignoring the weird season changes in favor for the profit she gained from the season change. But Reimu's cuntness is often forgiveable since its so relatable.

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>>37639366
She likes to fly around beating up people and stealing their stuff. How are most of the cast worse? Don't even say it's because they eat people, that's like saying wolves are evil because they eat cute sheep or whatnot to survive.

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>>37638324
>Speaking of the Villagers. Aren't they descended of Youkai Hunter who settled the Region?
the human village story card in lostword mentions that youkai exterminators live in the human village but its the gacha game and should probably be treated as a fangame

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>>37404189
I'd argue that Tenshi in AoCF feels like a more exaggerated version of her SWR self, leaning in far more heavily into the brattiness and making her far less sympathetic. I wouldn't say it dispelled the notion of her being M because that's always just been one of those stupid overused secondary jokes like Sakuya having pads, it's something I don't think anyone really took seriously outside of idiots.
Speaking of, I guess Sakuya pads would be my answer. That and Marisa getting shipped with everyone.

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>>37423796
Actually Koakuma has far less claim for being a legitimate character. Daiyousei has actually reappeared a few times in minor roles, most notably as a midboss in Yousei Daisensou. Koakuma, as far as I'm aware, hasn't even had a proper cameo. Hell, it's incredibly likely that Koakuma isn't even an individual of any specific importance, and if we look at evidence within the character profiles it's actually more likely that she's one of many familiars that Remilia summoned instead of being Patchouli's familiar. Koakuma's entire characterization and relationship with Patchouli is a pure fabrication by the fans, and it shows in how the fanbase can barely even decide amongst themselves on a "set" personality for her. In fanworks Koakuma is generally just used to fill in any character archetype that the writer feels needs to be filled for a specific work, whether that be a stoic loyal servant to Patchouli, a smug trickster, or a horny rapist. We can at least ascertain some details about Cirno and Daiyousei's canonical relationship, which is more than you could ever say of anyone with Koakuma.

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>>37640094
>She likes to fly around beating up people and stealing their stuff.
Reimu is worst in the beating up people aspect to the point both Mamizou and Eiki has to talk to her about it.

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>>37583452
That's actually one of the more popular fan theories for DiPP's blonde girl. There are a few things that contradict it, it doesn't work well with her pre-established PC98 background (granted, there are discrepancies between it and her current status as a human turned magician too) and the ending of DiPP implies that the blonde girl leaves for the afterlife which doesn't line up with Alice not being dead. It's still possible.

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>>37640094
Most of the people she steals from 100% have it coming. And yeah, the fact that she isn't a ruthless murderer who eats people does put her above your average Youkai. The fact she actually cares about Humans and is actually sometimes, and I do mean sometimes, motivated by doing the right thing puts her above most of the Human cast.

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>>37639485
I would say it's mostly the first one. Largely because it's very unambiguous.

>>37639852
Yeah, but they would be kind of retarded to not keep that up. Being descended from a war hero but not doing anything with it because you live in peace time is understandable. Doing it in Yemen... less so.

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>>37640405
>and the ending of DiPP implies that the blonde girl leaves for the afterlife which doesn't line up with Alice not being dead.
It would line up pretty well with her ending up in Makai though.

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>>37643972
Makai isn't where dead people go, it's a separate realm from hell.

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>>37643948
Marisa also mingles with youkais and are friendly towards them a lot more than Reimu. Reimu being kind to youkais without expecting anything back in return is really rare, I think I only know when that one time she wore Shinmy's kimono on her hair to appreciate Shinmy's gift, other times she is super hostile towards them

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>>37647592
Aren't the two connected though?

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>>37648806
Yeah. I mean, she's pretty two faced when dealing with, say, Patchouli. But she does seem to genuinely like hanging out with them.

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>>37648806
I don't think that's a fair statement to make. Reimu treats youkai the same way she treats everyone else, and that's explicitly stated to be the reason why her shrine is so popular with youkai. Reimu can be kind of a blunt asshole, but she doesn't really discriminate in that regard.

>>37649650
I don't think two faced is really the right word. Actually does Marisa even hang out with Patchouli very often? She obviously visits Alice, but her relationship with Patchouli mostly seems to be Marisa stealing from Patchouli while Patchouli finds her kind of annoying but (at least judging from their interactions in SA) seems to hold some fondness for her regardless.
You know, the really funny thing is that you'd think EoSD's Marisa endings would set up a rivalry/friendship between Marisa and Patchouli, but her endings in that game both deal with Marisa's relationship with Sakuya of all characters if I'm not mistaken. It's actually kind of weird how both EoSD and IaMP imply a sort of almost-friendship between the two, an element that's pretty quickly discarded after IaMP.

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>>37649623
>Aren't the two connected though?
Nope, Hell is a location sinners end up being sent to, one that previously had a physical location on Earth but was moved to a meta-physical plane after the earthly location reached maximum capacity. Makai is explicitly a realm created by Shinki to be the home of the myriad of demons that she created. Makai is not a location you can go to upon death, you have to purposefully travel there via magical means.