>>4331938 Previous thread. Let's continue to speculate on the end of Umineko. What's your ideal ending? A shipfaggy one? A hobo one? A shipfaggy hobo one? Also can be an Umineko confessions thread, since that seems to have reduced circlejerking faggotry in the past.

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Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:29:03 2010 No.4337457 [Reply] [Original]

>>4331938
Previous thread.

Let's continue to speculate on the end of Umineko. What's your ideal ending? A shipfaggy one? A hobo one? A shipfaggy hobo one?

Also can be an Umineko confessions thread, since that seems to have reduced circlejerking faggotry in the past.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:33:03 2010 No.4337486 >What's your ideal ending? Witches and whores in the meta-world. Piece Battler tying up everyone and locking them in separate rooms to avoid killings and getting a good end until next year.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:33:03 2010 No.4337487

Culprit is exposed at the same time Meta-Battler checkmates Beato. Battler says he loves Beato then keeps his promise to kill her. After culprit is exposed, all the games flashback and show the different goings on up until the endings (for instance, if Battler's EP 5 theory became true and he became the scapegoat for Natsuhi, the real culprit becomes exposed or purposely exposes him/herself/themselves). I had some other thoughts floating around for it (like Ange getting her Onii-chan back), but that's all I've got for now.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:35:03 2010 No.4337513

I liked >>4333083 and >>4333146 in the previous thread. Repostan.

"....Pieces are fine, Battler goes home to Ange. Moetrice regains all of Beato's memories and remebers how she lolwanted to die. Battler kills her, and as stated before, he starts out calm and prepared but completely just falls apart and breaks right in front of his dying waifu.

Meta-world collapses or maybe meta-Battler just abandons it and leaves Lia and the Stakes and everyone hanging around there, waiting to see if he'll show up. He is a crazy magic ronery hobo who stops to look at every butterfly he sees just in case it's gold.

[discussion cut]

after Battler is a hobo for a couple thousand years and Beato's spirit or presence or what have you has been just kindo of chilling for a while in the game room, she decides she wants some more Battlersex so she starts to try to come back to life or something? Don't put it past R07. Meanwhile, Battler is nostalgic and drops by to see Lia and everyone. He's too attached to leave again, so he just mopes around and not even the Stakes can cheer him up.

Then one day while he's drinking tea he sees a golden butterfly and he's hypnotized by it and the memories of his waifu. He follows it outside...

...where Beato is sitting and also drinking tea. She start to laugh at him for looking stupid and taking so long, but he cuts her off with a tackle hug."

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:38:03 2010 No.4337541 I am hoping for some troll end like The Murder of Roger Ackroyd.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:39:03 2010 No.4337543

bad end in the real world, good baw-end in the meta-world.

something like theres a simultaneous meeting between battler and beatrice in both worlds, but in the real world its the culprit and you hear her sad sob story about how everything went wrong when battler left, then in the meta world they embrace eachother and promise to always be true to eachother.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:40:03 2010 No.4337553 >implying umineko will ever end

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:42:03 2010 No.4337583

The culprit is revealed.
The illusion is broken.

Piece battler uncovers the truth, and show how everything happened in each one of the games, until finally cornering the culprit in the last game.

After awesome epic fight the culprit surrenders and repents, Battler hug the ''real beatrice'' and then the seagulls start crying.

Meanwhile at meta world, meta battler is in front of the fading-away meta-beato who thanks Battler for everything and asks him to take care of her creator and her legend.

Battler assures he will, and then Beato fades in golden butterflies and with a smile to never be seen again. Meta Battler cries a lonely tear, waves his cloak and fade away in the endless kakera world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:42:03 2010 No.4337584 File: 92 KB, 646x508, S000022.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] In fact what rule does Beato symbolize finally? a promise, according to ep 4 and 5?

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:44:44 2010 No.4337595 [DELETED]

Realistic ending.

Mystery gets solved, Beatrice ceases to exist because of it, along with the meta world. Culprit is caught in the real world. Only part that gets iffy is deciding if Battler catches the culprit before or after murders take place.

You cannot catch a criminal that has not yet done a crime, but if they're really killing because it involves Battler, a la Shkanontrice or Jessitrice, perhaps piece can confront them before anything happens to avoid the tragedy. Just depends on how much baw you want, I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:47:03 2010 No.4337625 File: 83 KB, 505x480, Bern 3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Battler, Beato, and Bern have a party in hinamizawa I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:48:03 2010 No.4337630 >>4337584 Well, with or without Shkanontrice or Jessitrice it could explain the why; adults who didn't fulfil his promise in the war against Krauss, and so the one who is left alone go into a rampage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:48:44 2010 No.4337632 >>4337625 Battler and Bern have witch children. Fans collectively end themselves. Ryukishi then gains enough sacrifices to revive BT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:49:03 2010 No.4337645 their* promise

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:51:03 2010 No.4337657

Battler discovers that the reason for Beatrice is to hide the horrible crimes that the Ushiromiya family are destined to commit on October 4 and 5.

Battler sees that most of his family had been killing eachother each episode in elaborate ways, and decides to accept the witch so that atleast in their minds they can have a happy ending.

Ryukishi never definitively states who was playing Beatrice.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:53:03 2010 No.4337666

Honestly I don't see how there could be a good ending in the real world.
It's not like there's a character like Rika in the real world of Umineko.
And it would negate the Ange we know, seeing episode 6 I doubt it's going to happen.

Whatever happened already happened.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:53:03 2010 No.4337669 >>4337666 Fuck you and your fiction end

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:53:03 2010 No.4337671 >>4337666 Speaking of Episode 6, what's that conversation Amakusa has over the phone with somebody?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:55:03 2010 No.4337681 >>4337666 Read again the very definition of endless magic. It is supposed to fix fates, so it would not be very surprising

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:55:44 2010 No.4337682 >>4337666 We know the meta characters can manipulate the pieces quite a bit. Hell, with grimdark GM Battler, no one committed murder, until that whore Erika decided to fix that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:57:03 2010 No.4337699 >>4337513 That'd be nice. How likely is this, considering it's Ryukishi? Would you put this past him or not?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 16:59:03 2010 No.4337713 File: 8 KB, 216x192, 1262622824483.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4337699 Its not likely as it doesnt make sense. Beato will die and nothing you guys do will change that fate.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:00:03 2010 No.4337719

>>4337682
He can't really manipulate pieces per se, just put them in situation, like a director would do for a movie.
It's not like he can communicate with them and they sure don't retain any memories or experience.

Honestly I don't see how anyone who played the first five games could still think that Umineko takes place in a multiverse type setting where the goal is to find an universe where everything ends happily.
Even Ryuukishi said that those who expect something similar to Higurashi will be blinded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:03:03 2010 No.4337740 >>4337719 They dont need to retain memories and experiences. What is needed is just for Battler put the pieces in some situation that they will handle and find the truth on their own.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:07:03 2010 No.4337766 Battler becomes the new Kinzo, and I don't care about anything else. Every other end will be a fucking disappointment.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:08:03 2010 No.4337779

>>4337457
PIECES: Battler manages to stop being a vagina for long enough to catch the culprit in the middle of killing someone useless like George. Everyone endures Eva's JYOOOOOOOOOJIIIIIing and then...through some convoluted means they all talk about how everyone in the family was ready to snap and just cut a bitch, but thanks to Battler being Battler they didn't. Ange gets her onii-chan back and refrains from being totally fucking batshit.

META: Beato asks Battler to kill her, he pussies out in the middle of it and Beato has to keep pushing him even more than the previous time, when all she had to say was YOUR SISTER IS A SLUT and he'd rage and stab her. This has been said before. However, no chickenshit faggotry here. Beato is dead and gone and there is no getting her back. As Lambda and Bern are leaving because Ryu is too attached to them to kill them, one of them taunts Battler about his dead waifu and he just stone cold bitchslaps the whore, then leaves the game room without another word. Fuck Lia and Bronove and the Stakes, man. He doesn't have his waifu, he will never have his replacement SPESS MEHREN waifu, he is depressed forever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:12:03 2010 No.4337813 File: 37 KB, 357x578, Novel writer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4337666 >It's not like there's a character like Rika in the real world of Umineko. Sup.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:17:03 2010 No.4337844 >>4337779 >Battler manages to stop being a vagina I'm sorry, what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:22:03 2010 No.4337884 File: 116 KB, 441x480, kinzo_ama_akuwaraia1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4337766 Pretty much this. Battler = Amakusa = Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:22:03 2010 No.4337892 File: 90 KB, 432x480, HideyOHDESIREgun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4337884

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:25:44 2010 No.4337914 [DELETED]

>>4337719
>Honestly I don't see how anyone who played the first five games could still think that Umineko takes place in a multiverse type setting where the goal is to find an universe where everything ends happily.
There are multiple references to the sea of kakera, including Battler immersing himself within it. There is at least one end out there where shit goes well for the pieces.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:27:44 2010 No.4337932 File: 103 KB, 259x325, 1248074515863.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4337844 Heroine Battler is canon. Ryukishi agreed.

>>	cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 17:30:03 2010 No.4337955 >>4337932 really, he should have said so in the beginning, we would expect less from him

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:33:03 2010 No.4337971 Zombie Kinzo emerges from the boiler room with a shotgun, kills the pieces and revives the first Beatrice, then rides of into the sunset on a shark.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:33:03 2010 No.4337977 >>4337971 Not just a shark but a bearshark.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:36:03 2010 No.4337998 File: 225 KB, 692x711, goddamn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The real question is, who is more attractive - young Rudolf or Battler? Unless they're the same person and Kinzo -> Rudolf -> Battler -> Amakusa.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:37:03 2010 No.4338002 >>4337998 As Rudolf does not have red hair, Battler.

>>	cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 17:38:03 2010 No.4338005 >>4337998 Rudolf is FABULOUS Battler is Battler so Rudolf

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:38:03 2010 No.4338007

Battler says the answer, metaworld crumbles, part of the answer is that the clock are off (and the bomb does not exactly explode at midnight, but a few minutes after that.

Flash back to the end of E1. Aiming at the portrait of Beato, Battler gets a flash of insight and realizes the epitaph solution. Takes back everyone into Kuwadorian, bomb explodes.

Contrary to your expectations, that's still not the end, because Kanon is still following them and there is a crazy final battle in which Kanon shoots George.

Jessica becomes another head, Battler goes back to take care of Ange. Just before leaving Rokkenjima, he explains to Jessica that he already figured out that she is the mastermind by something that Kanon said before his death. Jessica explains to him why did she manipulate Kanon into committing murders in a Kohaku-ish way. Battler says that it really can't be helped and he forgives her, however, under one condition: To let him take Beato's portrait home.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:38:03 2010 No.4338012 >>4337977 Very well, a bearshark it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:39:03 2010 No.4338015 >>4338007 >Kanon shoots George. Isn't it sad, George?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:39:03 2010 No.4338019 File: 155 KB, 708x1000, improvement..jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4337998 I didn't realize there was ever a contest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:42:03 2010 No.4338033 >>4338007 >the clocks are off I'm glad someone else thought of clocks when it comes to the answer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:42:03 2010 No.4338035 >>4338007 This might actually be the only variant of a dream ending that I could accept, it's a lot better than Shkanontrice. You've gotta wrap up 1998 though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:44:03 2010 No.4338048 I love how in every speculated ending the family member that's offed is George. Eva's cries of JYOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJI~ will be delicious.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:44:03 2010 No.4338050

Fantasy-Realistic End. turns out this was all a dream by Battler on the plane or the day before the Conference. And his mind was simply playing scenario's in his head.

Battler talks to the culprit before they do shit. Happily ever after (lol). And at the end Battler wonders how this miracle happened, and wonders if there really is Magic.

Que Beato and Kinzo wink.

HELLLLOOOOOOOO DISNEY END

>>	Enzo Tue Feb 9 17:45:03 2010 No.4338057 I just have to say: OP's pic is so beautiful I teared up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:47:03 2010 No.4338071 >>4337584 Recently I've thought of something: Beato is "Ushiromiya family" Evatrice is "Sumadera family" Hmmm?

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:47:03 2010 No.4338076

>>4338050
And then Satoshi wakes up and realizes that it was all a dream, and he and Shion live happily ever after.

And then Takano walks in.

AND THEN RYUKISHI WAKES UP AND TALKS TO BT

BUT IT WAS ALL A DREAM BECAUSE BT IS DEAD

CUE EVERYONE REALIZING WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PAST AND EP2 IS BEING RELEASED TOMORROW

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:48:03 2010 No.4338086 >>4338076 AND EP2 IS BEING RELEASED TOMORROW That might be actually the most satisfying ending I can picture. Really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:52:03 2010 No.4338117 ITT: HOLY PENIS EPISODE TWO IS COMING OUT IN TWENTY FOUR HOURS I CAN'T WAIT FOR SPOILERS I HOPE DEEN DOESN'T ANIMATE THE SERIES

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:53:03 2010 No.4338127 >>4338076 More like direct sequel to Ep. 2 Tea Party is released, now with 100000% more smashing heads into tables.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:55:03 2010 No.4338141 >>4338117 oh, Deen, that's the darker part.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:56:44 2010 No.4338148 >>4337998 Rudolf apparently fucked a god. Battler, if he was lucky, fucked an imaginary witch, I think we know who the winner is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 17:58:03 2010 No.4338168 File: 154 KB, 580x676, 1261254883250.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338148 Not a contest of who is the better pimp. A contest of who is the most fuckable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:00:44 2010 No.4338185 >>4338007 I actually rather liked this, until the very end. Jessica is involved in his parents death, and he just offhandedly forgives her, water under the bridge? At least supply some hatesex, or Ange wincest, or something, give the guy a break.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:02:03 2010 No.4338214 >>4338185 Well, there is the Asumu thingy and Kyrie, it may even turn out that Battler is not Ushiromiya at all. It's a skelet of an ending, I didn't even think about Maria.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:03:03 2010 No.4338227 >>4337779 I am okay with this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:05:03 2010 No.4338246 >>4338117 I WONDER WHAT'S GOING ON WITH PERSON X SURE WISH THERE WAS SOME KIND OF WAY TO TELL IF WHAT'S BEING SAID IS TRUE LIKE IF RYUKISHI JUST INTRODUCED COLORED TEXT OR SOMETHING TO INDICATE TRUTH THAT'D BE GOOD

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:08:03 2010 No.4338272 >>4337457 battler finally gets to maria 10 years later :3

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:10:03 2010 No.4338285 >>4338272 shit " he gets to eat maria 10 years later"

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:25:03 2010 No.4338419 >>4338168 Rudolf still wins.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:35:03 2010 No.4338504

>>4337457
My ideal ending is that it's actually an hour before the first spoilers for EP6 are posted.

When they're posted, they find out that Beato is still dead, Battler kicks ass, everything isn't about RABU RABU RABU <3~, and there's no Super Hanyuu or Xzibit-meta-worlds. Nothing happens to cause the Shkannon/Moon-chan/Fusiontrice/Doubletrice/Kyrietrice/Fictionendsoitdoesn'tmattertrice shit that's happening right now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:37:44 2010 No.4338522 >>4338504 Someone make a time machine for this to happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:38:03 2010 No.4338537 Magic actually occurs and it allows Beato-chama to exist through a miracle. She marries Batora-kun. Happy endo~

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:41:03 2010 No.4338560

>>4338504
You do realize that everyone has to believe in the magic for it to actually work, right?

Okay, so everyone has to believe that within about half an hour we'll see EP6 screenshots and spoilers that are free of the faggotry we actually got.

Someone make a thread with this in half an hour or so. It's go time. We may not have a shiny fucking time machine, but we can still make this work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:44:03 2010 No.4338574 >>4338007 See, I think Jessica is either going to end up the head, ala Alistair, or end up the head, ala Loghain. Anyone agree?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:45:03 2010 No.4338578 >>4338560 Wait a minute here. Gensokyo works because people don't believe in it. Umineko magic works because people do believe in it. ... there's got to be something to this.

>>	cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 18:45:03 2010 No.4338581 >>4338504 well, inb4 ep6, every umineko thread was shipping, which I loved, but still, pointless

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:47:03 2010 No.4338599 >>4338504 You shut your whore mouth, episode six is great. It's just that the theorycrafting it spawned is not so great.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:48:03 2010 No.4338602 >>4338007 Battler saw a human Beatrice at the end of Episode 1, did he not? Someone post the screens again, I'd like to see if the part where it's stated he sees the figure standing next to Maria is narrated from his POV or if it's 3rd-person narration.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:48:03 2010 No.4338604 >>4338574 Well, I think that the answer is ENCHANTMENT!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:48:03 2010 No.4338607 >>4338578 Meta Battler will take Beatrice to Gensokyo?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:49:03 2010 No.4338613 >>4338602 He did. Standing by Maria. We all know that it's the DID meido. We also know he fired a few rounds into her, or was about to.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:49:03 2010 No.4338616

>>4338599
>>4338599
>>4338599
THIS SO MUCH.

It might be because I don't mind the grimdark, but EP6 is equal to or greater than EP4 to me.

We can still attempt the mindhax time travel though. Just start over with the theorizing like we're just seeing spoilers. Don't bring up Shkannon or Moon-chan at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:50:03 2010 No.4338620 >>4338578 And in the Nasuverse, magic works regardless of people believing in it or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:51:03 2010 No.4338625 >>4338616 Moon-chan has nothing to do with episode 6. She's always been sketchy. It's just that Shkanontrice fans don't get along well with Moon-chan fans. We're both very stubborn.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:52:03 2010 No.4338635

In all likelihood, piece Beatrice is not the actual culprit, and is at most a pawn of the true culprit/mastermind. There have been too many hints pointing towards Beatrice being a scapegoat, a person who takes the punishment for others' sins.

Though I, for one, am interested in seeing what a Doubletrice end would turn out like.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:54:03 2010 No.4338641 >>4338635 Skirt Beatrice vs. Dress Beatrice No furniture No magic Guns only FINAL DESTINATION ...Well, okay, I suppose Battler can do something with his hatstand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:57:44 2010 No.4338667 File: 74 KB, 800x450, 1215849902958.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338604 RETARDED DWARF DID UMINEKO

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:58:03 2010 No.4338675 >>4338635 Doubletrice end is ridiculous and convoluted. So yeah, that's the truth, most likely.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 18:59:44 2010 No.4338678 >>4338635 The twist ends up being he made a promise TO BOTH JESSICA AND SHANNON. Oh Battler, you just couldn't suppress the Rudolf genes.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:00:03 2010 No.4338682

>>4338635
Shkannon is piece-Beatrice, Jessica is the mastermind. Jessica likes Battler, but the last time she saw Battler he was acting derpy over Shkannon. Jessica is jealous of Shkannon because Battler pays attention to the crazy meido and not to his cousin, who is tsundere for him and beats him up as part of her tsun side. However, Shkannon is also Jessica's friend, seeing as how she can comfort Moon-chan after Kinzo rapes her because she's next in line for the family head or something like that.

So when Battler comes back to Rokkenjima, Jessica manipulates her crazy maid BFF into killing everyone. In EP2 the murders get more complicated, so maybe Shkannon snapped and Jessica didn't have to convince her to kill anyone. EP3, Jessica commits the murders herself, which is why there's no remorse for Maria or Rosa - though Evatrice is still a stupid bitchy whore regardless of this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:00:03 2010 No.4338686 >circlejerking faggotry Anyone who dares use this language on /jp/ is an outcast. Please get out of /jp/ and never ever come back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:01:03 2010 No.4338691 >>4338667 see >>4338542. The retarded dwarf wrote it, actually.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:01:03 2010 No.4338695 >>4338678 No matter who he made a promise to, he was twelve! Twelve! Seriously, Beato, grow the fuck up! Next thing is going to be you staging an elaborate ploy to get Genji to kill himself, because he didn't give you a piece of cake 6 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:03:03 2010 No.4338710 >Evatrice is still a stupid bitchy whore This is what happens when underageb& try to have a debate. Have you really fallen that low /jp/?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:04:44 2010 No.4338715 >>4338695 I'm hoping the promise is something more profound than "HERP DERP COMIN AT U ON A WHITE PONY BABE."

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:05:03 2010 No.4338723

>>4338695
...this could make sense.

I dunno, though. Ryukishi says that it can be solved with the first four games, right? But it doesn't make sense for the promise to be so trivial. Is there any other possible promise that's brought up that Battler could have made? Preferably one that isn't as retarded as the pony one?

>>	cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 19:05:03 2010 No.4338725 >>4338695 maybe the promise itslef wasn't important, but if X had a REALLY shitty life and had to clinge in the hope of that promise and that promise is never fulfilled... well, you have a lunatic sociopath

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:06:03 2010 No.4338730 >>4338695 Must....not....make....predictable....portal...joke

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:07:03 2010 No.4338737

>>4338725
Meta-Beatrice is at the very least sane, though, so I think the promise is something we haven't heard yet.

But if it is what we all think it is, Beatrice is an asshole. No, she's an asshole. No way around it. Don't blame a twelve year old for murder when you are the one staking people, moron.

>>	cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 19:08:03 2010 No.4338738 >>4338723 be solved=/=be present we know he made a promise with info from the question arcs, we don't have to guess the promise

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:09:03 2010 No.4338749 Kyrie culprit manipulating 'Beatrice' into committing the murders endwill never happen ；__；

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:10:03 2010 No.4338750 >>4338749 I'm a Rosa fan myself. Not a mastermind, but rather, a smart person who sees a shit situation, and decides to get shit done for herself and her daughter.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:10:03 2010 No.4338755
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I call for Threetrice. One can be innocent, one can be a pawn/accomplice and one can be the mastermind. Piece Battler can have the innocent one.

I know it's a silly theory, but that's why I can't rule it out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:11:03 2010 No.4338757 >>4338749 Kinzo never had a DFC loli Beatrice confined in Kuwadorian to rape whenever he goddamn pleased. Seemed like we were dragging up old missed speculating memories, I don't know.

cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 19:11:03 2010 No.4338760

>>4338737
no one said she was blaming Battler, battler just 'initated' everything, like a chain reaction. He is not to blame, but still has part of the fault
Also Beato is really resentful of the promise
ep2 red text: I fulfill my promises unlike others, even if she doesn't actually blame him, that promise was really important to her

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:13:03 2010 No.4338774 File: 78 KB, 643x608, 1264996823860.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338760 Well, there is another person who seems rather insistent on people fulfilling their promises...

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:13:03 2010 No.4338777 >>4338755 Who are they then, Shannon, Jessica, and uh... Erika?

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:14:03 2010 No.4338780

>>4338682
Oh come on. Why do you people ignore the actual events of the games when making your theories? Jessica had hardly any opportunity at all to kill in episode 3. She definitely didn't kill Rosa and Maria. She was with Battler nearly the whole time. She could have only done the first twilight.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:14:03 2010 No.4338782 Double hobos. YEAHHHHH

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:14:03 2010 No.4338784 >>4338777 Kyrie?

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:14:03 2010 No.4338787

>>4338760
And living was very important to everyone on Rokkenjima. Battler just being his old charming self shouldn't be his sin. He should have grabbed Shannon by the hand, and honestly swore to be with her or something, if you want me to take this whole thing seriously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:14:03 2010 No.4338789 File: 566 KB, 645x831, whatever.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338723 >>4338738 >>4338725 I'll just leave this here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:14:03 2010 No.4338791 >>4338782 I don't know what this involves but I like the sound of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:15:03 2010 No.4338792 >>4338774 Why would Jessica be unconcerned about the promise if the sin is a broken promise to her? You'd think that would make her jaded. If anything, this is evidence the sin ISN'T a promise to her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:16:03 2010 No.4338801 >>4338791 I'd prefer Piece and Meta hobo ends, but you could work it into maybe Meta Battler and George getting a hobo end or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:19:03 2010 No.4338811 >>4338789 Post the bit that comes just before that, because I'm pretty sure Beatrice is referring to what Shannon said a moment before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:20:03 2010 No.4338814 ITT: People thinking they can have a decent debate by reading some shitty summary

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:20:03 2010 No.4338815

>>4337457
I don't fucking care what end we get any more.

I just want it to either make me scream FUCK YEAAAAAR out loud regardless of where I am or who could hear or see this, or I want it to make me cry and bawwww uncontrollably, once again regardless of where I am or who could hear or see this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:20:03 2010 No.4338818 >>4338811 That phrase is NEVER stated elsewhere beforehand.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:20:03 2010 No.4338821 >>4338792 Meh, my take is the "Keep it!" part. Looking unconcerned is all very well and good, but it's rather odd how she just says that out of the blue. Things to mull over, if nothing else.

cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 19:21:03 2010 No.4338827

>>4338787
the thing abut the promise is that
-Battler didn't give much importance, maybe his father taught him about it
-X gave it A LOT, X had been trapped in Rokkenjima living autterly shitty life, then Battler comes and says whatever giving X a little hope
-Battler leaves, X continues with her shitty life while waiting, and waiting, becoming more and more desperate because Battler isn't coming back
Having a hope sometimes is WORSE than not having one
But as you say maybe Battler did an actually good promise, with preparation and so on, but it'd impossible to remember because that year:
-mother dies
-father remarried
-Kyrie got pregnant
-he left home
Even if it was important to him, he forgot it, and meanwhile X is just accumulating hate against the Ushiromiya family

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:23:03 2010 No.4338834 >>4338818 ...OH. I didn't think Beatrice was referring to the "Don't forget it" bit. Okay, yeah, the possibility of Shkanontrice just increased by quite a bit in my mind.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:23:03 2010 No.4338837

Meta Battler fuses with the real world Battler. Battler finds the gold and becomes the head. Battler takes command of the family and prevents the culprit killing anyone. The culprit only kills people when they stray from the group. Battler returns to Ange, but then moves to Rokkenjima. Krauss, Natsuhi and Jessica move off to that other house Krauss mentioned. All the people who MORE THAN ANYTHING NEEDED A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW are fucked until suddenly a letter from themselves arrives at their door which solves all their monetary problems. ShKanon(trice) splits into 3 people via the magic of love. George lives happily with Shannon. Jessica lives happily with Kanon. Battler lives happily with Beatoriiche. The culprit is never revealed but the culprits to each episodes are implied at heavily. Many people in the story murdered in different gameboards. Bonus points if the ending could still be interpreted as ShKanontrice being one person but Battler/George/Jessica seeing it differently with love.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:25:03 2010 No.4338842 >>4338837 You forgot "Battler brings everybody to Kuwadorian so that they all survive when the boiler explodes".

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:25:03 2010 No.4338843 >>4338837 >The culprit is never revealed Stopped right there. If there is no confirmed culprit then people will always debate about Moon-chan or Shkannontrice or whatever the fuck they can think of next.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:25:03 2010 No.4338846

>>4338827
Doesn't justify her actions. Really, like, this better be a Kohaku copy-pasta if you want me to feel bad for Piece Beato.

And no, killing everyone to go the golden land uuuu doesn't count. Like, Shannon must have had the shittiest life ever, which I find a bit hard to believe, she had George be into her even BEFORE Battler showed up, and had a best friend in Jessica.

And she threw it all away for something silly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:27:03 2010 No.4338848 >>4338846 Kinzo rape.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:27:03 2010 No.4338849 >>4338842 Right, right. >>4338843 Didn't r07 say that he wouldn't explain everything at the end bluntly in an interview?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:28:03 2010 No.4338855 >>4338846 She didn't have George until around the time Kinzo died.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:28:03 2010 No.4338857 >>4338849 Yeah, but I think he's going to at least confirm who the culprit is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:28:03 2010 No.4338858 >>4338848 Ah, poor Kinzo. My theory is that it was actually Shannon and Jessica who raped HIM.

>>	cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 19:29:03 2010 No.4338865 >>4338846 maybe it WASN'T Shannon, maybe it was eiher -Jessica (unlikely) -original personality X (creator of Shannon and maybe Kanon)

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:30:03 2010 No.4338868

>>4338855
Nah, George and her started dating 2 years ago, but he was into her 7 years ago. He checked up on her quite often. He worked for his waifu.... and was prompted staked, because years of commitment and love < Battler making a promise when he was 12.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:30:03 2010 No.4338873 >>4338837 >ShKanon(trice) splits into 3 people via the magic of love I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi. FUCK

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:31:03 2010 No.4338877 File: 73 KB, 450x600, 1253101325266.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338858 UOOOOOOOOOOOO BEATRIIICEEE WHY? WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO ME? I WAS JUST A FEEBLE OLD MAN! MY WIFE WILL NEVER TRUST ME AGAIN! WHY DID YOU ABANDON ME?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:31:03 2010 No.4338879 File: 383 KB, 668x767, 1264533304632.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338858 I'd hit it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:32:03 2010 No.4338887 >>4338873 That's just retarded. My bro Kanon deserves it though. Dude puts up with too much shit not to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:32:03 2010 No.4338889 File: 18 KB, 292x302, 1265333156725.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] K1 appears to assist Battler. Bern defeats him with a taco.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:33:03 2010 No.4338899 >>4338879 WHAT THE FUCK AM I VIEWING

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:34:03 2010 No.4338906 >>4338887 God damn it,, Kanon is the most manly character in Umineko besides Rudolf, and he doesn't even have a penis. He deserves one, though.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:34:44 2010 No.4338904 [DELETED]

>>4338868
Yeah, the pony bullshit better be misleading, because that is a fuckawful reason to commit mass murder, under any circumstances.

Even if she was raped or had THE WARST LIEF EVAR, TEARS OF ULTIMATE SADNESS, it's bullshit to blame Battler for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:35:03 2010 No.4338910 >>4338887 This. Kanon is way more of a man than Battler. see what I did there

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:35:03 2010 No.4338912 >>4338879 Rule 63 Grandma Goldsmith Kinza exists? Fuck yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:35:03 2010 No.4338913 >>4338868 Ditto, Kanon needs a good end. A good end being Kanon is the only one who ends up with Battler, I don't care if that means Homo end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:35:03 2010 No.4338915 >>4338879 Female Kinzo? not sure if want.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:36:03 2010 No.4338918 >>4338846 Beatrice probably isn't 'the culprit' anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:36:03 2010 No.4338919 >>4338913 HOMOLUST END FUCK YEAR Either that or Kanon is actually a loli. Which is still awesome, because then Kanon is a loli who is a bro. Fuck, that is awesome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:37:03 2010 No.4338928 >>4338919 /r/ing the scene with Battler asking "What if I said I liked black-haired lolis with flat chests?"

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:37:03 2010 No.4338931 File: 55 KB, 848x480, notasplanned.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338913 HIT ON GIRLISH MAN HE'S ACTUALLY A GIRL

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:38:03 2010 No.4338933 I think we can all agree that Kanon is the best choice for Beatrice. We need to find a way to disprove Shkanon so that Kanon doesn't have to share a body with a slut.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:38:03 2010 No.4338936 File: 280 KB, 640x480, ideal-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338928

>>	cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 19:39:03 2010 No.4338943 >>4338933 poor girl, if Shkanontrice isn't true, she's the purest girl in Rokkenjima

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:39:03 2010 No.4338944 >>4338912 Kinko. We've been over this before.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:39:03 2010 No.4338946

Am I the only one who found the TIPS about nanjo's ill grandaughter strange?
I was thinking that it could be the one who was living on this island.
Like if because of her illness, she was not able to have a normal life with other people. So Kinzo, who was a friend of Nanjo, welcomed her on his island. And then the story began about Kinzo having a mistress.
It would mean that nanjo's son is quite old, however, but I found that Rosa's Beato was pretty much acting as someone ill, recluded from society.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:39:03 2010 No.4338947 >>4338936 Notice how that Beatrice is still grinning.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:39:44 2010 No.4338949 >>4338933 Well, it's already been explicitly stated that Shannon cannot be pretending to be Kanon, but isn't it alright if the reverse occurs?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:40:03 2010 No.4338958 File: 291 KB, 629x472, ideal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338947 I don't know if she's actually grinning when he says that. That's just going back a page from when she's grinning because of this

cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 19:41:03 2010 No.4338960

>>4338946
impossible, Nanjo's grandaughter is supposed to be quite young, also she was treated by her father, since they had a clinic
the grandaughter appears to give Nanjo a good motive for helping out, needing money, she should be unrelated otherwise

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:41:03 2010 No.4338964 >>4338949 Good point!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:41:03 2010 No.4338965 >>4338943 Well, if Shkanontrice is true, and Jessica has nothing to do with the murders, Jessica is the most innocent character in the series. Seriously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:42:03 2010 No.4338969 File: 404 KB, 638x475, ideal.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338947 Well...

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:42:03 2010 No.4338976 >>4338965 What about Battler? All he did was break some promise to some little girl who had a crush on him when he was 12.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:42:03 2010 No.4338978 ShKanontrice end. Fiction end. The meta-world takes place entirely in Shannon's crazy mind end. You've heard it here first.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:43:03 2010 No.4338984 >>4338965 >Jessica has nothing to do with the murders No, even in Shkanontrice Jessica is a major accomplice or even the mastermind.

cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 19:44:03 2010 No.4338988

>>4338964
Jessica will have something to do with them, we already have an overly innocent main character, George, rule is only 1 innoccent person per game, like Mion in higurashi
Jessica must know something, like Shkanon and Kinzo being dead, she isn't that stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:44:03 2010 No.4338993 >>4338976 And left his family. He's innocent, but he still caused some rifts. Jessica, on the other hand, took all the bullshit and managed to deal with it. Or she didn't. But seriously, if she isn't involved, she's a goddamn martyr.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:44:03 2010 No.4338997 >>4338978 Were this to be true, I would hit your house with my orbital high tension crossbow.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:45:03 2010 No.4339004 I'm pretty sure that Jessica is completely innocent. She is just that stupid and gullible. Accomplices would be Nanjo, Genji, Kumasawa and one random adult. Probably Hideyoshi in episode 1 and Rosa/Kyrie in episode 2 and 3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:45:03 2010 No.4339007 File: 234 KB, 644x1627, 1262383153023_ib4f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4338988 How is George overly innocent? He'd kill everyone else on the island for Shkanontrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:47:03 2010 No.4339025 >>4338969 On the other hand if Beatrice's true self is black haired and flat-chested, then she'd have no reason not to grin as she could satisfy him one way or the other.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:49:03 2010 No.4339048 >>4339007 Meh, killing people for love is a-ok in this game. Battler did it too. >>4339004 I don't know. She almost certainly knows about Kinzo, and I wager she knows about Shkanon as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:49:44 2010 No.4339041 >>4339004 I can't swallow Jessica being innocent, I'm not exaggerating when I say she'd have to be retarded to not know of Shkanon. Not to mention her suspicious nature in general, she knows something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:50:03 2010 No.4339052 >>4339004 There's a short screen with both her, Shannon, and Kanon in it in episode six...

>>	cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 19:50:03 2010 No.4339056 >>4339007 he doesn't have anything to do nor has actually made anything that makes him guilty, while is true characers must act according to his nature, he's never done anything in non-magic scenes

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:52:03 2010 No.4339069 >>4339056 And even in a magic scene, he kills Eva only after she starts battling him. And it was AWESOME.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:53:03 2010 No.4339082 File: 174 KB, 635x473, 1262676974493.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Nanjo, Genji, Kumasawa Funny you should say those three. Because if the accomplices are killing at all, they can't be accomplices. At least in episode 1.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:54:03 2010 No.4339084 >>4339007 Was that blue ever denied with red at a later point in time?

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:55:03 2010 No.4339091

>>4339052
Magic scene.

Honestly her entire characterization make he seem like the nicest and most innocent character on the island, I can't think of even one scene that make her suspicious.
Perhaps the Kanon faking his death in episode 1 but even that is easily explainable by Nanjo playing along.

She really seems not to know about Kinzo, she never showed any signs of knowing about ShKanon.
She is always with Battler and she really seems affected by all the deaths.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:55:03 2010 No.4339092 >>4339084 Yes. Lambda said that the only person who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:55:03 2010 No.4339100

>>4339084
# The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself!
# A different person cannot claim his name!

By Lambda. But because she was suffering from it there's probably more to it. Like that "the person himself" is the new Kanon who inherited the name, so it doesn't change anything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:55:44 2010 No.4339090 >>4339084 I believe Lambda stated that no one can inherit Kanon's name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:56:03 2010 No.4339103 >>4339091 >magic scene How can you say that when most of the support for Shkannontrice comes from magic scenes to begin with?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:56:03 2010 No.4339105 >>4339084 >>4339092 If you look at the blue and Lambda statement a little closer, you'd see that it's a huge hint toward ShKanon.

cein !!kOdPo7DjkrF Tue Feb 9 19:57:03 2010 No.4339115

>>4339091
she's on Lambda level when it comes to acting, and really she was there with Kanon and Nanjo, watching him closely
My theory is that she told Kanon that Natsuhi was the culprit and Genji and kumasawa working for her, then the rest of the game

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:57:03 2010 No.4339117 >>4339103 Magic scenes show the truth in some way, that's a fact. But they are still magic scenes, the view is still fucked up. That's why Battler saw Shannon and Kanon together in episode 5.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:57:03 2010 No.4339119 I think I'm going to go through all the translated episodes and screencap all the lines that have those stupid dots over it that seem to indicate the line being important. Worth it?

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:58:03 2010 No.4339127
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>>4339091
This scene makes me pretty sure she knows about Kinzo being dead. Also, of course, her actions in episode 4.

As for knowing about Shannon = Kanon, I just trust that Ryukushi wouldn't make things that convoluted.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:58:03 2010 No.4339130

>>4339091
I really have to agree. In no scene was Jessica ever shown being evil. She was shown taking a stake in the back for Kanon and fighting for the sake of the family and Kanon.

Hell even the recent TIPs don't make her look evil.

■ Jessica
Forget reasoning and theories! Honestly, I don't give a crap about the mystery. Time for the exhilarating action chapter, with the thrilling Jessica-sama beating up and knocking down the nasty villains with her brass knuckles!
I want the director to be Stephen Chow Sing-Chi.
I'll get cornered towards the end, but then Kanon-kun will gallantly dash in to save me!
For a more detailed explanation of that scene, see page 735 of the appendix!

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:58:44 2010 No.4339123 >>4339091 All the bullshit about Shannon and Kanon "sharing and same bed" and all that nonsense hinting toward samefagging can be swept away as "lol magic scene" too, you know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:59:03 2010 No.4339132 >>4339123 Not really. What is important is the characterization and the "truth" contained in these scenes. Seriously, you guys don't even try to understand how Umineko works.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:59:03 2010 No.4339134 >>4339119 That might be a good idea. Go for it.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:59:03 2010 No.4339139 >>4339091 You can't just disregard things because they're magic scenes. They're usually important. Metaphors for what's really happening. ie, Rosa being overwhelmed by goats = Rosa survived to the end but the bomb exploded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:59:09 2010 No.4339135 >>4339091 You can't just disregard things because they're magic scenes. They're usually important. Metaphors for what's really happening. ie, Rosa being overwhelmed by goats = Rosa survived to the end but the gun exploded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 19:59:44 2010 No.4339137 >>4339119 Probably, I remember some having very little correlation to much, but it could bear fruit.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:00:03 2010 No.4339142 >>4339130 Not suspicious, huh? > Forget reasoning and theories! Honestly, I don't give a crap about the mystery.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:00:44 2010 No.4339145 >>4339130 Well, she's the most likely murderer of George in EP4. Everyone else is lol speculations, Jessica's you can very clearly map out how it happened.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:01:03 2010 No.4339148 >>4339130 TIPs don't make anyone look evil, your point is invalid.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:01:03 2010 No.4339156 File: 44 KB, 850x632, yup.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4339142 Yeah, chill out guys, stop thinking! It's just a dumb mystery!

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>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:01:44 2010 No.4339152 >>4339132 >Seriously, you guys don't even try to understand how Umineko works. Oh, is it already time for projecting?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:02:03 2010 No.4339161 >>4339127 In these captions its just her saying that Kinzo is in the study, which is what she is told by Krauss and Natsuhi,

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:02:03 2010 No.4339162 >>4339142 Especially considering what she said in the ep 1 tea party, she asked Battler to solve the mystery

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>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:03:03 2010 No.4339174 >>4339142 >Time for the exhilarating action chapter, with the thrilling Jessica-sama beating up and knocking down the nasty villains with her brass knuckles! So Jessica is gonna be punching herself?

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Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:03:44 2010 No.4339184 [DELETED]

>>4339162
And from how it went down, it seems Beatrice was manipulating them. Hell, they may not have even been the actual people, since Kanon and Shannon were shown as different people.

And yet the only person to drive and encourage Battler was Jessica, Kohaku bitch Shannon just quietly died.

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Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:05:03 2010 No.4339199

>>4339161
Nah. The captions say far more than that. First off, Rudolf asks her how Kinzo is doing.

She doesn't lie.
She tells Rudolf that Kinzo is doing EXACTLY as well as he had been last year.

She says that Kinzo is in his study, and that she wishes he would stay there.

Her wishes have been granted for the past year.

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Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:06:03 2010 No.4339205

>>4339139
Speaking of that, it could be a hint that Rosa, Maria, Battler and Genji, who were all alive at that time the goats appeared everywhere, aren't the culprits. So the culprit must have died earlier, probably in Natsuhi's room. Or maybe Kumasawa and Nanjo had something to do with it since they might not have been dead earlier.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:06:03 2010 No.4339208 >>4339199 Because she was told that was what Kinzo was doing and she obviously trusts her parents.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:07:03 2010 No.4339212 >>4339184 >>Hell, they may not have even been the actual people, since Kanon and Shannon were shown as different people. >> Implying Shkanon is real.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:08:03 2010 No.4339218 >>4339212 wat? Shkanon is pretty much confirmed at this point. Now we're just wondering it it's Shkanon + trice or Jessitrice or both.

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Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:08:03 2010 No.4339222

>>4339130
Funny thing about that TIP? The only members of the original human cast to not show up and ask Battler for anything are Kanon and Shannon.

The Stakes were the highlight of the TIP though. Well, besides maybe the end with Virgilia and Ronove and their odd shipping.

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Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:09:03 2010 No.4339232

>>4339208
If she were truly unaware, she wouldn't have indicated to Battler that she wished he would stay in his study. She would say HAVEN'T SEEN THAT DUDE IN OVER A YEAR, because she wouldn't have seen him in over a year. And yet, from her dialogue, she paints an image of a shut in Kinzo, but not a dead Kinzo. And that is what makes all the difference.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:09:03 2010 No.4339235 >>4339222 Whats weirder is that in the ending, when Battler lists the demands everyone made, Kyrie and Rudolf's demands aren't listed. Even though they were made.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:09:44 2010 No.4339234 >>4339212 Shkanon is as close to confirmed without actually being confirmed, it would be a tremendous asspull on Ryukishi's part to do otherwise. The only thing to debate now is who owns the -trice to their name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:10:03 2010 No.4339240 >>4339119 You should definitely do this. I had started this but got bored halfway through EP1 and ended up just listening to the EP5 drama CD again. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:10:03 2010 No.4339241 >>4339222 Doesn't Battler like, rape Lucifer or something?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:11:03 2010 No.4339250 >>4339218 Shkanon doesn't work for many red truth. it don't even work with Episode 1 and 3 body count. Don't take your personal interpretation as an absolute truth, thanks.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:11:03 2010 No.4339256

>>4339241

"The six younger sisters are fine~ But I sure owe Lucifer for EP3~ You gouged me so many times with that stake of yours, grinding grinding, grinding grinding grinding! Aah, just remembering it pisses me off!"
"Ahh, in that caaase, I think this time Battler-sama should gouge into Luci-nee instead."
"I think that's a great idea! Until Battler-sama feels satisfied, I think he should bully her all night loong!"
"Wh...What are you guys talking about?! H-Hey, let go of me!"
"Oh, I know, Lucifer-onee-sama. Your back is your weak spot, right...?"
"Wai... L-Levia?! H-How do you know that?!"
"Everyone knows your weak points! You were the only one who thought we didn't know, weren't you?! You're too careless, onee-sama!"
"Hoh-hoh-hoh-hoh, so her back is her weak spot, is it, hoh-hoh-hoh-hoh!"
"St-Stop! Do you think I'll surrender if you do that?! Do you really think I'll cry and beg for forgiveness?!"
"Ah, shut up, shut up! Know my grudge from that day you tortured me by grinding and gouging into me! Is it around here? Around here? Take that, there, there, there!"
"Ahhiiiiiiiiiiiii!"
"Or is it around here?!"
"Ahaaaaa! Noooooo, please forgive me, Battler-samaaaaaaaa, auaaaaaaa!"
He finally got the chance for revenge he never had in the original story. Battler complacently ground against Lucifer's back...

"How do you feel, Battler-sama? Are you refreshed?"
"Yeah, I feel great... My long-standing grudge has been totally cleared up, and I feel all fresh, like I've finally shed my skin!"

Lucifer's shoulders heaved as she caught her breath. She had collapsed with her clothes in disarray, and it looked very much like the aftermath of something.
...It was a bit obscene.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:12:03 2010 No.4339259 >>4339241 He just massages her back or something, but the scene is definitely supposed to give the impression of rape.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:13:03 2010 No.4339285

Speaking of that TIP, Battler says Gohda, Nanjo, Kumasawa and Genji come to him first, then he says it looks like all the adult servants are here. Implies Nanjo is a servant. Also, in episode 6, instead of Ronove and Virgilia, Kumasawa and Genji act as Meta Battler's servants. Kumasawa even just changes to Virgilia at one point. I want to say this implies both Gohda and Nanjo have their own fantasy equivalents, like for example the goats, and Gaap, as has often been suggested.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:14:03 2010 No.4339292 The ending of Umineko should be Piece Battler confronting Piece Beatrice, and saying, "Too many people died here. You don't get to live."

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:14:03 2010 No.4339295 >>4339235 Because Ryukishi will never give them an arc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:15:03 2010 No.4339296 >>4339285 NANJO IS GAAP GOD DAMN IT WHY

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:15:03 2010 No.4339297

At the end of Ep 7, Battler finds out the truth (once again). Instead of being the Game Master for the next game again, Lambda makes Battler go back in time, and create the mystery correctly, by creating the Ushiromiya family from the ground up, just like kinzo

Battler arrives in the past, creates that big earthquake that killed the Ushiromiya family. Oh, he possibly brings Moetrice along with him, and she becomes Kumasawa/Virgillia in the end of all this.

Basically, he has to raise everybody in the correct way, make Eva hate Krauss, move Natsuhi in the house, make Rosa a crazy bitch, and basically make all the events that make the murders happen.

He gives up Moetrice, who goes on to live her own life as Kumasawa, because Moetrice got old and ugly. He tries to resurrect Beatrice over and over etc Battler is Kinzo.

Battler lays on his death bed, and Lambda tells him congratulations he solved the mystery, and then he dies. The arc finishes off with everybody living, except possibly a few people (because Battler manages to solve everything before all hell breaks lose, because Meta-Battler/Kinzo solved everything)

The end, Battler doesn't get Beatrice, a few people die, Ange gets her brother back.

Sadly this probably won't be the end, but I like it.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:16:03 2010 No.4339301

>>4339250
> it don't even work with Episode 1 and 3 body count.
It was never said that Shannon had a corpse in Episode 1. In all likelihood what was actually there was a pile of the bags of fertilizer that Kanon had been trying to carry earlier. And as for Episode 3... Well, Battler never sees Kanon's corpse. In fact, Battler never sees Kanon's corpse in ANY Episode.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:17:03 2010 No.4339304

>>4339285
In episode 2, the goats being Gohda fits. Well, except for that massive swarm of them at the end. The goats are summoned to kill Jessica and Kanon. At that time, Gohda was running after Kanon and Jessica. The goats come to Natsuhi's room. At that time the Gohda was in the room.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:18:03 2010 No.4339312 >>4339301 On top of that, Kanon's corpse is the very last one the adults find. It would make sense if they weren't even checking his corpse carefully at that point. They had just found 5 other ones all over the mansion after all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:18:03 2010 No.4339316 >>4339304 Gohda is a GOOD MAN. I will not PERMIT these LIES and SLANDER about the MAGICAL GOHDA chef.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:22:03 2010 No.4339346

>>4339316
I'm not saying he's bad. In reality, the goats might have been the ones being attacked first. eg, in Natsuhi's room, Shannon attacks Gohda or George. Or maybe both George and Shannon attack Gohda. In Jessica's room, Kanon "kills" Jessica, helping her fake her death, then runs, or Jessica and Kanon attack Gohda, and Gohda kills Jessica and then is too scared to say anything, or Kanon just kills Jessica and runs, but he's also too scared to say anything.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:23:03 2010 No.4339352

>>4339301
Yeah, and read again the red truth said in ep3. Aboutthe corpses being dead. And dead => unable to move. And moreover, even with DID, a personality can not be killed. and more, and more.
In EVERY way it is dumb to say that Shkanon = ABSOLUTE TRUTH because of an interpretation. tT stop thinking like that It is the best way if you want to be cornered if Shkanon is revealed to be a huge troll from Ryukishi.
Shkanon CAN be true, but it's not a reason for eluding other possibilities.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:24:03 2010 No.4339356 Question, in episodes 1-4, are Shannon and Kanon the only two who "see" Beatrice and then live to see another non-fantasy scene? Or does someone else as well?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:27:03 2010 No.4339378 >>4339356 I'm not sure about it, but doesn't George, Gohda and Shannon meet "her" when they are searching for the key for Natsuhi's room?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:27:03 2010 No.4339382 >>4339352 Well, EP3 obviously goes quite a bit differently anyway. It's apparent that something was not as planned there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:28:03 2010 No.4339394 >>4339378 Yeah, but then they all die. I'm talking about only if they live.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:29:03 2010 No.4339396 >>4339356 Kyrie in EP2 did, I think.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:29:03 2010 No.4339402 >>4339356 Maria, Rosa, Kyrie and (I think) Genji meet Beatrice early in Ep2. Three of them even survive until the end.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:29:03 2010 No.4339403

>>4339356
Yes, it's said that people with the same wavelengths can see and communicate with Beatrice. Kinzo couldn't see her.

But other than the two servants, Maria can as well. Then in episode 3, George is able to see her and Jessica was able to 'hear' her when lead to the room with Kanon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:30:03 2010 No.4339414 >>4339396 wait, nevermind, that was Piece-Beatrice. I can't remember if anyone else saw fancy-dress-Beatrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:31:03 2010 No.4339418 >>4339402 Kyrie says she does, but even though Rosa does, does she mention it to anyone?

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:31:03 2010 No.4339420
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Know what I can see coming? Greentext.

Ryukishi will introduce a new color of text, green.
The green text can only be used to quote something which was said at an earlier time by anybody. All of the characters start abusing the green text, twisting the entire game out of context.
This leads to much confusing and anger. Many senseless theories pop into Battler's head, and so he presents them to Beatrice. However, this displeases Beatrice and the others, who then decide to abuse the green text further to make it seem like Battler was implying things which he actually wasn't.
Naturally, this drives Battler insane. He tries to counter the green text with blue and eventually red, but that only makes matters worse. It's only a matter of time before he is forced into submission.

His mind breaks. He can't handle the strain anymore, and he loses his mind. He begins spouting nonsense all over the place, and nobody can make sense of any of it.
He desperately tries to bring the old Beatrice back, the Beatrice he fell in love with, but to no avail. It takes over his life, becomes his obsession, the only thing keeping him going. He secludes himself in his study, and starts practicing all sorts of black magic.
Eventually, he finds something. He finds that, so long as he sacrifices enough people, he can bring the old Beatrice back. So that's what he does. He sets up an elaborate game in which many people die in inexplicable ways, ways which, at first glance, can only be explained through magic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:33:03 2010 No.4339436 Battler is somehow Kinzo. Literally. He is his own grandpa. Kinzo's mistake in his past was his sin to Beato, and not finding the truth quickly enough.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:36:03 2010 No.4339454

>>4339382
And ep3 is supposed to be closer to the truth, because a lot of people had find ep2 too hard. So Ryu made ep3 easier. He said it in an interview.
Of course doesn't deny Shkanon alone, but I find that people are forgetting too easily what Ange was saying about the blue truth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:36:03 2010 No.4339455 >>4339436 Wait, wait, wait, that's just circular logic...

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:37:03 2010 No.4339459 >>4339420 >>4339420 >>4339420 >>4339420 >Implying anyone wouldn't put past it Ryukishi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:38:03 2010 No.4339463 >>4339455 Exactly.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:38:03 2010 No.4339472

>>4339454
Actually, didn't he say he made ep3 a lot easier than it was supposed to be, and included a hard part he was originally going to put in episode 3 in episode 5? Not that episode 2 is harder than 3, just that he expected people to be better at Umineko after 2 and wanted to raise the difficulty highly with 3, but he was disappoint.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:43:03 2010 No.4339489 >>4339472 Well, you know, people didn't suspect that the answer would be that LOLOLOL PERSONA! Ryukushi is a hack if he thought they would. Seriously, I believe that Shkanontrice is the truth, and I still think it's fucking retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:43:03 2010 No.4339494 >>4339472 No, he said that he put that content in episode 6.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:44:03 2010 No.4339502

Umineko's ending will involve Ryukishi dying inside of a supposedly closed room in the real world. The only way to solve the closed room will reveal the truth, but no one will solve it until a bottle washes up on the beach with a letter that explains it.

Someone will pick up the letter, not care about it, and throw it away carelessly.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:45:03 2010 No.4339504

What would have been "Land of the Golden Witch":
People also wonder whether content from "Land of the golden witch", which was removed from EP3, was included in EP5.

Ryuukishi: I definitely can't tell you that! It's true that the most vital part of "Land of the golden witch" is in there, but it's such a terrifying bit. Furthermore, it's something that neither Battler nor Erika nor Bernkastel has ever brought up in discussion. Maybe they didn't even realize that it was a riddle. Well, you'll probably find out soon. In EP6, a huge bit of red text info will appear regarding this point......according to the current plan.

How many players have noticed what this content is so far?

Ryuukishi: Zero. ...Well, I'd like to say that, but I can't. This content is extremely venomous. Very powerful.

Is this content deeply related to solving the crimes?

Ryuukishi: I think people who have found the "answer" probably won't have any problems. I wonder if they've realized it's a trick...... It's a very dirty trick.

To put it another way, is it possible to reach the truth of the crime if you haven't noticed this trick?

Ryuukishi: That's hard to say. If you don't see through the part from "Land of the golden witch", you definitely won't be able to reach several vital answers.
However, that content was never really necessary in the first place, so you can reach the truth of the crime with it or without it. Still, it's just so venomous that there's a chance you'll be totally confused. Depending on the situation, it's likely to cause a certain misunderstanding.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:46:03 2010 No.4339509 >>4339502 Well, luckily everyone on /jp/ will have become masters at solving closed rooms using ridiculous but possible scenarios so we'll be able to solve it via Quantum Bombs.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:48:03 2010 No.4339518

>>4339472
yeah, he retired "Land of the golden witch", but if people people were complaining about the game being too hard, it would be logical for him to make it easier, if he, as he says, take care of the comprehension of the reader. Well, it is debatable.
But in every way, the things " different things" in ep3 started in the second twilight (as it is represented by EVA)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:49:03 2010 No.4339525 >>4339509 Don't you mean Quantum Small Bombs?

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:49:03 2010 No.4339531

>>4339504
>Well, you'll probably find out soon. In EP6, a huge bit of red text info will appear regarding this point......according to the current plan.
In episode 6, pretty much all the red is about the closed room that seems to imply Shkanon.
tl;dr: the thing in episode 5 was Kanon and Shannon being in the same room as Erika and Battler.
>I wonder if they've realized it's a trick...... It's a very dirty trick.
the trick is two things. That unless it's from the detective's PoV, it isn't trustworthy, even if they are in the same scene. Therefore since Erika never has her own PoV much of her detective authority is wasted. The second trick is that "person" can mean "personality", the last red in episode 6 shows that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:49:03 2010 No.4339532 >>4339525 Quantum Bombs is the natural evolution of small bombs. Let me try and dig up the thread.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:51:03 2010 No.4339550 >>4339489 And even if Shkanon/Shkanontrice was true, it would still not explain everything. Again, shkanon is quite old, and in a recent interview Ryukishi said that no one had found the truth yet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:51:03 2010 No.4339551 >>4339532 http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/2766221#p2767784

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:53:03 2010 No.4339561 >>4339531 >>the last red in episode 6 shows that. Or that Erika count as a 0.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:53:03 2010 No.4339565 >>4339550 Doubletrice CONFIRMED for brawl.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:53:03 2010 No.4339566 >>4339550 He is referring to the fact that after episode 5 everyone thought Shkanon was dead because of them being in the same room with Erika. After episode 6 they realized again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:54:03 2010 No.4339570 >>4339561 The "even counting you" part seems to imply otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:54:03 2010 No.4339573 >>4339570 1+0 = 0. Even if you count the 0.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:54:03 2010 No.4339574 >>4339561 Erika can't count as 0 because of some other episode 6 red.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 20:59:03 2010 No.4339607 >>4339565 UP UNTIL NOW, SHANNON AND KANON WERE DIFFERENT PEOPLE

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 21:02:03 2010 No.4339619 >>4339573 .... You failed math, didn't you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 21:06:03 2010 No.4339634 >>4339619 yeah one, sorry, I didn't pay attention.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 21:07:03 2010 No.4339640 >>4339574 We just know that other people are seing Erika. But what if Erika was a title, or some other crap?

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 21:08:03 2010 No.4339650

>>4339640
# I'll acknowledge it. You, Battler, and Kanon add up to three people.
# [Definition check. That "three people" refers to the number of bodies, correct? That means three bodies went in and out, right?] Of course. Three people, that is, three bodies, went in and out of the room. Only you and Kanon entered, and only Battler left. I already stated with the red truth that all names refer only to the actual people. Therefore, the names "Erika", "Battler", and "Kanon" refer only to the actual people.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 21:15:03 2010 No.4339683

>>4339504
> However, that content was never really necessary in the first place, so you can reach the truth of the crime with it or without it. Still, it's just so venomous that there's a chance you'll be totally confused. Depending on the situation, it's likely to cause a certain misunderstanding.
> Still, it's just so venomous that there's a chance you'll be totally confused. Depending on the situation, it's likely to cause a certain misunderstanding.
> Depending on the situation, it's likely to cause a certain misunderstanding.
If "Land of the Golden Witch" is indeed about Shkanon, then R07 just confirmed them not being the culprit.

Anonymous Tue Feb 9 21:43:03 2010 No.4339813

>>However, that content was never really necessary in the first place, so you can reach the truth of the crime with it or without it. Still, it's just so venomous that there's a chance you'll be totally confused. Depending on the situation, it's likely to cause a certain misunderstanding.

If this text is about Shkanon, how are you supposed to explain every crime without even knowing this "trick"? May it be Skanon or Shkanontrice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 9 22:07:03 2010 No.4339992 >>4339813 Well, if it is not essential, it means that it doesn't even open a place for a 17th people, so...

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