Zounouse Doujins

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What is your opinion of Zounouse's touhou doujins? I personally found this one funny.

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>>46036632
Canon accurate.
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>>46036632
Stay!
>>46036758
Out.

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cannon accurate

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>>46036632
It's funny because they make Cutesokyo tards mald about Canonsokyo.

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>>46036926
I thought I told you to get out

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>>46036938
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Really milking the bait for all its worth, eh.

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>>46036632
>Filthy Buddhists fertilizing literal infant corpses with smiles on their faces
Just saying the Taoists don’t do this shit

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>>46036632
Trash. No, not because they are "grim" or "uncanon", but because the writing is internally inconsistent. The art is decent, but too samey to carry the shoddy writing. All in all, guy should stick to plot-less comedy, because he clearly can't write a consistent story to save his life.

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>>46036632
Goddess Buddhists must be exterminated in the name of Allah

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>>46036632
Zounose is the only doujin artist that actually does the setting right.

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>>46036632
About equal to or below ZUN's level of quality (i.e. not all that good). Mostly below.

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ive never seen somebody care about him that wasnt a baiting /v/ tourist

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>>46039167
I care.

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>>46039211
case in point

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>>46039567
Yeah I don't expect anyone to believe me either.

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>>46036632
Too edgy. Gensokyo definitely has dark parts to it but it's not all that.

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i think they're fun and i also think that a lot of people care way too much about them for some weird reason

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>>46036632
They are memes.
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>>46040244
For sure, a lot of people can benefit from reminding themselves that it's just another fanwork out of tens of thousands out there.

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>>46040244
It's just a group of shitposters who keep up a "omg spacezin with plot is SO CANON™!!!" routine and a bunch of retards that keep replying.

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>>46036632
I like it because it shows what actual demons and gods would be like with a modern spin. Like these are Japanese abominations that just look like anime girls there’s no reason to believe they’d even be nice to each other let alone to the very things they exist to torture.

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>>46042717
Redpilled touhou fan.

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>>46038610
The "allah" character looks like a dick with balls. I will never stop thinking it's funny

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>>46038694
100% in relation to the outsiders that come into gensokyo, not even remotely close for the villagers themselves.

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>>46036924
These types of pics are nice meme Macross

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>>46036632
They show that even the Grimmiest of 'sokyos are still better than the reality we live in, where same, if not worse, things are done daily, and more often, so I like them

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>>46036632
Sauce for this doujin?

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>>46043318
Im pretty sure all the people that suffer in Zounouse's are either outsiders or villagers that have outlived theiir usefullness's right? Like the one about the old and dying youkai hunter or the boy for the human sacrifice.

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>>46036632
6/10.

I like the artstyle. He's sometimes funny. How do you make Touhou characters less likeable?

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>>46043890
Trick Question, Tohou characters are already impossible to like in their canon form, therefore Zounouse is only making them true to form.

Especially the smug shithead Buddhists and their literal warcriminal leader Byakuren.

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>>46043736
OP pic is baby clubbing anon.

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>>46043736
>or the boy for the human sacrifice.

Funny how butthurt fake Touhou fans got about that one, if anything he portrayed the Moriyas LESS bloodthirsty than they actually are in canon.

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>>46044158
TBF the baby was already dead from sicknessand they just used the corpse to fertilize the land so Shou wouldn't start randomly killing people.

They're obviously being fucking weird about it and the ending implies they've done this many times, but there is at least SOME context this time around.

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>>46044165
I mean its Marisa, noone gonna miss her anyway.

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>>46044158
>>46044405
I would club babies without any justification. Screaming little bastards give me the shits.

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>>46043318
Not quite, youkai rape outsiders before killing and eating them.

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>>46044443
Well hey, find a way to become a youkai and hop a ride into Gensokyo and you'll fit right in.

Honest to god if you turned off all morals and sympathy and embrace satan, Gensokyo would be a perfect paradise to just chill out and get drunk.

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>>46044165
Moriyas aren't really bloodthirsty though, they're gods and sustain themselves off human faith. Zounouse just writes grimsokyo for it being grim, not because it's close to canon. Zounouse writes most of the characters as feral youkai and it certainly gets a reaction.

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>>46045148
I mean they weren't really bloodthirsty in the doujin either, they needed the sacrifice to ascend Sanae to Godhood, it wasn't like they were just straight up killing the kid for shits and giggles.

And most of the youkai are feral towards outsiders this is just the canon lore.

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>>46046115
The sacrifice was for the tengu, the Moriya were the "special guests" so to speak.
What a waste of a perfectly good shota.

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>>46036632
Last Supper is even funnier

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yet another thread where retards argue about how canon his FANWORKS are lmao like wheres the people shitting up threads by calling bombergrape doujin "canon"

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>>46049558
Out.

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>>46049186
Last Supper is actually a really good look into the fact that any “hero” character would inevitably fail in Gensokyo and how the monsters really won against the war in the end, with pretty much all the youkai hunters dead or in the case of Marisa/Reimu pretty much in cahoots with the youkai anyway. Despite that the old man gives it his best and dies on his own terms.

And then gets his soul either eaten or sent to hell to burn forever while Marisa kinda shrugs it off. So it ultimately got him nothing in the end but pain. You don’t win in Gensokyo you really just adapt or suffer.

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>>46044466
Satan never supported such shit though

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Grimfags are just yukari going on a propaganda campaign desperate to get strong enough to come back to the outside world by making people afraid of youkai again because " they control everything" and "are crazy strong, invincible even!" Lmao

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>>46053002
I can’t take youkai seriously when they were more or less forced to retreat like Nazis after losing their war against humanity to the fantasy equivalent of Argentina. Coupled with the fact that they have to subsist on humans they’ve forced to remain ignorant while bringing in vulnerable people and they really do come off as a bunch of literal and figurative bitches who can be unmade by educated poindexters who can reality check them to nonexistence using facts and logic. Kind of like that one guy in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy who made God go *poof* in a puff of logic.

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>>46053369
If they made god go poof then it was just another pretender anon. Another youkai or devil biting the dust.

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>>46053002
Look at how they crumple when the illusion breaks and they are forced to face the reality that they're a species of parasites hiding in the cuck box. I would still hold her hand though.
Zounose just wants to draw comedy and gore. There is no deeper meaning.

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>>46053002
Now now, let them have their fun, fantasy is a wonderful tool to understand the world and people.

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>>46053460
Perhaps. But it still shows that we can literally outthink these things.

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>>46053538
he does want to write a bunch of nonsense in the middle of his doujins that seems philosophical though
rainfall is a great doujin because it's got a literal canon counterpart in lotus eaters and you can see how much of a grimfag zounose is in comparison to ZUN
in rainfall at least 186 bodies come through the river that parsee's bridge runs across as if 186 deaths in a permanently 19th century village isn't catastrophic

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>>46036632
They're hilarious sometimes, like when Hecatia could have learned all about the history of the Hakurei shrine from Rinnosuke yet she only asks him about their clothes like the weirdo she is.

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>>46053877
That was a funny one. One death is tragic, while hundreds of dead villagers dying on and off screen is comedy. So many had died that Eiki and Komachi were on the verge of collapse from overwork. There was also the bit about Yukari only saving Akyuu and making a point that others weren't her concern and that Youkai and Humans are enemies, which was then turned around and has Youkai and Humans working together to rebuild. And it still ended with everyone drinking together and partying.

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>>46054091
it's a typical yukari moment
the entire doujin is humans and youkai coming together in the face of a natural disaster, and then you've got yukari rambling about only saving akyuu because humans and youkai are enemies
there's no way ZUN wasn't thinking of it when he wrote the frog in a bottle arc in lotus eaters, because it even ends the same way, with reimu doing a big grand action that marisa assists with

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>>46053877
>as if 186 deaths in a permanently 19th century village isn't catastrophic
>Village
Human village is basically a small city.

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>>46044165
I don't care about the Moriya's, I just don't buy the human villagers doing it. Or Marisa, for that matter.

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>>46054247
This changes entirely on author whims, and there's no way it's a small city in Zounose's version where its even more under youkai control than it is in canon
I'd be amazed if there was a population higher than a thousand.

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>>46053877
I doubt he meant it to be philosophical, just wanted something that sounds vaguely cool.
Hell there's a whole bit in a Youmu doujin where Komachi went all "one's sins can't be washed; continue to bear that burden of taking a life until you're judged by the yama", and in the afterword he just goes "I want to see Youmu kill a man".
>as if 186 deaths in a permanently 19th century village isn't catastrophic
Didn't Parsee imply it wasn't just humans, but also other youkai and even kappa.

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>>46054346
Kappa drowning? That's pretty funny

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>>46053002
They're implicitly sweet
"If 2hus were death cultists then my death cultists from Gensokyo would still be cooler and more pleasant to live under, compared to the death cultists that are the 'elite' kabal from Human World I'm living in"
Who can disagree?

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>>46054193
>yukari moment
There is not a single thing she does unless you count getting Reimu to go out and help out of spite. Despite the actual threat to Gensokyo's balance she just sits there to be condescending and smug. 'Oh the Humans who's population is important to keep a delicate balance? Who cares, they're beneath me lol.'
>Lotus Eaters
In the frog chapters Reimu acts because it's her role and she comes up with the frog messenger god hypothesis and acts on it as a solution. Kanako also performs her role as a Mountain God in evacuating people before anything major happens and getting the Kappa to help, along with her saying she'll help even if there's not that many people at risk "regardless of whether or not it's possible to save everyone." In Rain Fall, Suwako does nothing other than 'hee hoo it's just rain' and Kanako takes blame from Lord Tenma.
Those chapters did more with the idea than Rain Fall did in roughly the same amount of pages, and it did it without gratuitous tragedy and pages of "look how shit this is for everyone!"
I can get trying your hand at somber ideas like "you can't save everyone" with Reimu charging in to save the day yet still failing to save that boys mother we see crushed to death, but it's undercut by fairies running through the SDM halls, Remilia having a charisma break, Oni in their now citywide onsen, or the whole ending where they mourn and get ready to move forward only for the next page to be a drinking party and Eiki processing souls like the Enma from Dragonball. He tries to have a thoughtful story but he does it in the tone of a gag manga.

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>>46054508
>she comes up with the frog messenger god hypothesis and acts on it as a solution
Reimu is a fraud who only does that whole thing to gather more faith

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>>46054556
t. aya

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>>46054556
yeah but that's still more authentic to her character than rainfall reimu spending half of the doujin going 'oh well guess I can't do anything' before she finally gets her act together
at least in LE she thinks about getting people to evacuate to the shrine

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>>46054581
She was implicitly thinking about getting donations this way

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>>46055403
>>46054581
I think the difference is the scale of the threat, canon Reimu isn't taking it seriously since it isn't a threat to the village itself or a large portion of the population, but it is a big enough problem where she can profit off of it and she feels like she needs to do something to make people calm down.
But I don't really see canon Reimu overlooking the deaths of that many villagers and would probably have some stern words for the kappa, Tengu, and Moriyas, even if they weren't to blame.
Also I think Kasen is a good example of how Zounose and Zun writes characters as she's basically a Zounose character already, but she has a Zun~esq character arc instead of a Zounose-esq one.
Which is probably why Zounose can't write her as all his usual plots would be redundant for her and she already rejected the conclusions of those types of stories.

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>>46036632
At first I thought this guy was you're typical egdy grimsokyo artist but now I starting to think that this whole "eating humans" shtick might actually just be his fetish.

Either way I couldn't take his works seriously after that srory with Sanae where she eats that boy (literally not sexually) in the end.

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>>46052191
>how the monsters really won against the war in the end
They didn't though. The Youkai as well as Gods lost to Humanity in the race to dominate the Planet that's why Gensokyo exists in the first place. Gensokyo is nothing more then a Native American reserves for super natrual enneties

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>>46057182
You could say that Humans were the real monsters all along ergo monsters won, but that's reading too much into it and giving him way too much credit for someone who just wants to draw slapstick tragedy.

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>>46057219
>slapstick tragedy
That's probably the best way to describe the genre he wrote, isn't it.

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The more I read zounose's doujins the more I find it funny that youkai talk as if they're perfectly willing to ignore the fact that humans in the outside world surpass their outdated superstitions and talk as if their dominance in Gensokyo is the only real reality

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>>46058056
I mean, that is 100% in character even in canon. The only real issue is that it kind of removes any morale ambiguity. It's hard to care much for them when they act like spoiled deluded children.

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>>46054285
Well, the issue there is that for all of his attempts at being more serious there still isn't much actual explanation of how the youkai maintain control over the human village or how that society actually functions. There are plenty of ways you could effectively maintain control of the population of the human village, even if that human village is large enough that the population vastly outnumbers the youkai population like it seemingly does in canon (Despite claims to the contrary). The issue is that all of those ways require actually thinking about the way a leaderless village like the human village would manage to function.

That doesn't happen because the intersection between "Myth nerds" and "History/sociology nerds" is really small. The closest you get is the likes of Tolkien or Frank Herbert or people who serious study classical Asian literature.

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>>46056615
>But I don't really see canon Reimu overlooking the deaths of that many villagers
Why?

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>>46058092
>removes any morale ambiguity
Barely had any in the first place. You can count sympathetic characters on your fingers.

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>>46058125
The human village is just ancapistan and the major shareholders are all youkai who consistently outvote and overrule any human plan.

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>>46058135
One of whom is Seija for trying to lead the powerless and downtrodden youkai into rebellion.

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>>46058135
>Barely had any in the first place
Of course. My point is that it removes what could be morale ambiguity. There isn't any sense of "Never again" that would give some of the youkai at least something resembling morale complexity. As a result a lot of what I feel is reaching for morale complexity in Zounose stories just comes across as him being edgy for the sake of edgy. Magic is just bad, and the youkai are stupid and deluded enough that it's hard to have much sympathy for them even if the alternative is total genocide. Which, granted, does kind of show that perhaps he understands canon better than people think.

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>>46058136
Unironically, yes. Especially considering how confusingly non religious the human population generally seems to be. What you are left with would effectively be a society of private business interests run by youkai (Who would have all of the playing cards). Considering that we know a salt merchant is a thing, most likely that would take the form of controlling key human villagers through economic benefits to set up a patronage network effectivity under their control. The end result would most likely pretty closely resemble the government of many Italian city states or merchant republics.

None of this would ever be featured in either canon or Zounose Gensokyo however because it's just not what either writer are interested in. For all of their efforts, the human village to them is a plot point most of all. It can barely even be called a setting.

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Zounose is just trying to tell us that the dark superstitious past where mythology thrived is bad and that we should be glad that we're in the modern time

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>>46058280
Well, yes. Bridget Cleary was innocent.

I just wonder if that is what ZUN is going for at this point.

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>>46058280
So he's a redditor? Makes sense.

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>>46058280
>modern time
We have even more retarded superstitions now

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>>46058280
You're thinking too much about it, he almost always states what the Doujin's philosophical point is and what it doesn't have one explained it's still glaringly obvious.
Also he just has a cannibalism fetish, it's pretty obvious in how he draws in the human meat.

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>>46058908
Name them.

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>>46058134
She helps the outsiders she runs across and is only said to act ruthless towards Youkai.

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>>46059144
>She helps the outsiders she runs across
No, she helps the outsiders that go to her to go back home.

I mean, I don't doubt that she would probably escort a outsider she stumbles across. So would literally every other human besides maybe Sakuya.

>and is only said to act ruthless towards Youkai.
How? She doesn't kill them or anything.

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>>46059115
Chem trails and flat earth theory.

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>>46059152
The first response is't a rebuttal to my point and you agree with me in the second line anyways. So I have no idea why you said anything.
>How? She doesn't kill them or anything.
Zun says so, he's stated as such on multiple occasions.

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>>46059203
>Chem trails
It's dumb, but I don't see how it's as dumb as most Youkai.

>Flat Earth
Didn't people in the past literally believe that?

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>>46059219
>The first response is't a rebuttal to my point and you agree with me in the second line anyways. So I have no idea why you said anything.
There is a difference between canonically helping people she stumbles across and helping people that go to her. I imagine she does help people she stumbles across, but that's technically just a headcanon.

>Zun says so, he's stated as such on multiple occasions.
She's also responsible for Youkai still existing. So ZUN is either lying or doesn't understand his own character.

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>>46059115
Anything "woke"
Children can consent
A man can be a woman
Everything bad is because of white supremacy
Blacks are Kings and queens and that they've always been in Europe
etc.
The holocaust happened

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>>46059222
>Didn't people in the past literally believe that?
No, It is a historical myth that medieval Europeans generally thought the Earth was flat. This myth was created in 1828 by Washington Irving, who claimed that theologians and experts of the period opposed funding the voyages because the earth was flat. This is now known to be false.

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>>46059233
>She's also responsible for Youkai still existing. So ZUN is either lying or doesn't understand his own character.
Sounds like you have a problem with Zun, but you haven't done much to discourage me from believing that Reimu would help the village in a serious scenario.

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>>46056615
Wait a second...
>Zounose and Zun
Z o U N o s e
ZUN oose (おおせ − 大瀬 − big currents)
B-Bros...?? Is this what I think it is? Are there other words that would better fit that reading, given the implications?

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>>46059296
Yeah, like a giant barrier keeping them all trapped and under the control of malicious supernatural forces. God, imagine if Reimu wouldn't do shit about a serious situation like that.

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>>46059237
>Anything "woke"
>Blacks are Kings and queens and that they've always been in Europe
Not a real thing, but okay.

>Children can consent
>A man can be a woman
People in the past believed that. Read some Greek Myths, dork.

>The holocaust happened
Are you trolling or serious?

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>>46059115
The things that correctly get you called a conspiracy theorist/schizophrenic/sheep if you believe in them them

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>>46059115
/pol/bait nigger get the fuck out of /jp/

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>>46059404
Because it's not a serious situation to her, livivng and being a part of an oppressive society is different from imminent ecological catastrophe which threatens a vital part of that society.
Look at this from Reimu's perspective, the barrier is just operating normally and what it does is just the way things are, she's lived her entire life in Gensokyo and sees nothing wrong with it.
People in the past who lived in oppressive societies were largely the exact same way.

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>>46059115
We must eat the bugs, live in the pod, fold our genitals, get vaccinated with untested garbage, stop eating eggs because some retatded study can't tell the real difference between supplement cholesterol and egg cholesterol, not wear respirators, wear rag masks, not question why gay people get monkeypox and then digs and children gets monkeypox later, trust the science, hate privacy, hate homeschooling or else the kids will be weird, ban means of self-defence because school kids shoot each other up, believe in global warming that will come in 2 more weeks, never investigate documented pedophilia in upper layers of society, etc
Zounose's version of Gensokyo really is heaven compared to this

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>>46059476
All of this is in Gensokyo and Zounose Gensokyo but worse.

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>>46059474
I found it pretty funny how unwavering Reimu is in WaHH in the idea of change.
She straight up says that a majority of new youkai coming into Gensokyo are all about starting a peaceful life, and not messing with humans. But she admonishes them, and demands that they act like monsters.
She straight up calls Kasen a dumbass for advocating for a more peaceful Gensokyo.

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>>46059484
Some shota/baby sacrifice once in a while is a complete nothingburger

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>>46059504
Youkai claws typed this post

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>>46059504
This but our world.

>Noooooo! Stop sacrificing children.
>I mean, child morality is down so much you could sacrifice a million children and it wouldn't matter.

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>>46059408
>Not a real thing, but okay
Keep telling yourself that
They even think the Aztecs, olmecs and others were originally black
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMg-79AzbI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bf_J6EmLsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb1CD1eqJFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVewsMcx5cI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xMZ0rMCSgU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI8DJOat9rk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW8m2YvfhFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG8DZZKf_tM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an3QC5PCYgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4RfrgQ6iqI

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>>46059501
To be fair, Kasen is wrong about Gensokyo being peaceful. Only genocide will fix that place.

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>>46059516
>They even think
You do.

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>>46059408
>People in the past believed that. Read some Greek Myths, dork.
You asked for modern myths then get upset about the modern spin on it?
You even call it a Greek myth lol

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>>46059531
No, but this is about modern myths that people believe.

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>>46059501
Well at the end of the day Reimu wants peace, but believes it's foolish and impossible.
I think she was also talking to herself when she admonished Kasen.

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>>46059504
least deranged /jp/ie

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>>46059115
Anything involving the American government.
Moon landings
Aliens
Using ghosts to kill
Capturing monsters(Naga Queen and the Afghanistan giant)
Philadelphia experiment
Collecting magic items
Mind controlling
Weather manipulation
Shooting lasers from satellites to start fires
Making clones
Reptilians

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>>46057182
>>46058056
Yeah but they still survive, they still live on to torture the humans and the inside and they get to live in a relative paradise.

It’s like how the Imperial Japanese lost the war, but all the high ranking officials got away with it with a slap on the wrist.

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>>46059570
To be fair, and I agree most of it is dumb, the CIA did try a lot of this.

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>>46058168
I think that’s funny because the aforementioned rainfall had the youkai/humans actually feel more sympathy for dead villagers then was ever shown in canon.

Like I don’t think Reimu would really feel so more guilt about letting only one person die in the actual canon, even at her nicest. She barely even cares about mindless killing at all

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>>46059504
Shut up filthy pagan

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>幻想郷の妖怪は、人間を襲うことを禁止されている。人間が根絶されたら自分達も存在できない事を知っているからだ。なので精々、死ぬほど怖がらせるだけに留めている。しかし、外の世界から紛れ込んできた人間に対しては、ルール上曖昧のままだ。管理外の人間だから、何をしても良いという乱暴な妖怪もいれば、むしろ外の世界の人間の方がしっかり管理されているので、それに手を出すと外の世界が幻想郷の存在に気づき、幻想郷自体の存亡が危ぶまれる、と訴える妖怪もいる。

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>>46060720
Youkai are incapable of sympathy, stop deluding yourself.

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>>46061784
Thats my point, Zounose's manga, despite how "grimderp" people pretend them to be, actually has some of the characters have genuine concern over other people.

Like another anon pointed out Sanae crying over a random village boy getting sacrificed while in canon she straight up tries to murder Marisa for no reason other than because she got embarassed.

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>>46044165
I love this page because it immediately exposes who's the most autistic and incapable of realising that sanae isn't seriously suggesting she kill marisa

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>>46061831
tbf that's Marisa, the stinky forest gremlin who steals all your stuff

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>>46061851
I just think it's funnier if she was being serious. Touhou shouldn't be taken seriously.

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>>46061831
Wasn't that Mizuzhi pretending to be Sanae.
And also Marisa deserves it so it doesn't matter, either way both of them are race traitors.

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>>46062624
since it's only just reported in that page that Hina's been found unconscious, I think Mizuchi was in Suwako's body at that point, though it's not really made clear when she switched to Sanae (It's also not made clear how she got from Nitori to Hina or from Hina to Suwako, but ZUN just seems to have forgotten that Mizuchi was supposed to use drinks as a medium to possess people, so who cares)

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>>46062654
>ZUN just seems to have forgotten that Mizuchi was supposed to use drinks as a medium to possess people
That other thread showing ZUN has a rather hands-off approach to writing that he would let artstyle affect it got me thinking it was a plot point Ginmokusei came up with because ZUN wanted thing to be more mystery like.
Then Akimaki comes in with a more action-y approach, so Mizuchi's power of possession changes to be more physical, like literally throwing her chains at people.

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>>46036632
he needs to make more shortstack Jo'on

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>>46061086
Source? Sounds like PMiSS but I didn't find the first words in it (maybe I just failed at copypasting like a retard tho)

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>>46063956
CoLA Chapter 37

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>>46063981
Thanks, maybe It not being translated helps me push a bit my nip reading skills.

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>>46063981
where is the Raw text?, can't find it.

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>>46064361
https://thwiki.cc/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E9%A6%99%E9%9C%96%E5%A0%82/%E4%B8%9C%E6%96%B9%E5%A4%96%E6%9D%A5%E9%9F%A6%E7%BC%96%E7%AC%AC10%E8%AF%9D/%E4%B8%AD%E6%97%A5%E5%AF%B9%E7%85%A7
Yes it's in Chinese 2hu wiki. Have no idea why other place don't have this yet.

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youkai are soulless

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>>46061086
So, there are youkai that won't go for oursiders, if only out of fear that they're more heavily tracked, and could bring retaliation from the Outside World?

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>>46066274
Most youkai don't even acknowledge the Outside World out of ego and pride, they believe to be invincible in their little bubble.

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say, why does it seem like hell and the lunarians are the two biggest opposing forces in the universe? the former seem to side with freedom, chaos, and crudity while the latter seem to side with control, progress and technology.

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>>46066345
ZUN is a SMT fan.

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>>46066016
yes

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>>46066345
I don't get a progress vibe from the Lunarian, basically everything they due is to avoid change after all.

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>>46068366
even though ZUN thinks of them like china, they're kind of like japan in the sense that they got really far ahead technologically early, then just started stagnating afterward
like how japan basically got to 2010 in the 1990's, then never actually got past that

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>>46068366
Read the printworks, they had cryogenic chambers during the fisherman's time with them which was said to be cutting-edge technology at that period, they do make progress, the whole idea of lunarians being stagnant as a society is fanon, that's just a misinterpretation of them being unwilling to change their isolationism

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>>46061851
I think the most autistic would realize it isn't even Sanae saying this when later its revealed that Mizuzhi was possessing her the whole time

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bump

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>second panel
kino.

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>>46068819
Sounds like lunarian propaganda

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>>46072241
Brug

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>>46036924
damn kanako looks like that?!?

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i like this short manga by spacezin, kinda wish he did more things like this and less ball-eating

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>>46051992
Go back.

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>>46076742
Leave.

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>>46053369
>>46053460
One thing I find cheeky is how ZUN references the budding skepticism that's growing to be leveraged towards rationalists, resulting in "scientific" things like the Moon's flag getting gapped into fantasyland, implying that they too are ultimately subservient to the whims of humanity as a collective.

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>>46077739
Lunarians aren't dependant on human belief at all, and apparently the afterlife realms don't require belief either considering that Hecatia said there's a hell for the Earth (outside world) too

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>>46077778
Lunarians are shitheads who got their asses kicked by 3 astronauts and the power of god so who cares what they think

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>>46077778
NTA, but for all intents and purposes as far as I'm concerned lunarians are humans that have given themselves equally grand strengths and weaknesses from their deeply held beliefs. Their fear of death and chaos is what anyone must capitalize on if they're to fight the moonies

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>>46077778
Lunarians are humans, and even they've had their share of leavings for Gensokyo in the form of Kaguya and Eirin, if one doesn't believe that they made the entire youkai system in the first place, in which case the youkais' reliance on belief might be an entirely artificial stipulation placed on them to make them closer emulate the rise and fall of gods.

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>>46059570
I know about the Afghanistan Giant, but what's the Naga Queen?

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>>46078963
>>46079375
>Filthy Lunarians are Humans
They're not humans, they're Chinese.

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Post more Zounose kino of youkai killing humans

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>>46076400
Even in that one he can't help bringing up eating someone's balls.

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>>46079557
Supposedly during the Vietnam war the American military captured the Queen of the Naga in Laos. There was also reports of strange winged female monsters among American troops by the NVA.
There was a special force known as Navy Spooks: Spooks are a group of carefully selected, highly trained technicians that conduct intelligence operations in absolute secrecy.
Supposedly along with the ghost tapes ised, strange giant amazons and asuang(Vietnamese vampire) were recruited.
Look up Lt. Col. Edward G. Lansdale.

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>>46079986
Subhuman.

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>>46082150
(You)

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b

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>>46082150
That’s being charitable

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What is your opinion of Goodbye Beast?

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>>46093217
Byakuren is a filthy fucking traitor, but shes hot so she gets a pass

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>>46093217
A better attempt at writing around Shou's beast side than Hungry Tiger for sure, since she's actually the focal character this time. Although Rumia kinda stole the spotlight as far as I'm concerned; Shou just isn't interesting on her own.

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>>46097550
I mean most of the Buddhists aren’t really interesting or memorable so it’s par for the course

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>>46093217
It's nice but I feel like the gag ending undercuts it.
I'm very biased due ti it lining up with my preconceived headcanons about Shou, but I don't think it's bad if you cut out the gag ending.

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>>46093217
Even Zounose can't make Shou scary.

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>>46099430
Literal kitty child

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I think beast youkai are boring compared to others

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>>46081453
We had literal winged demons on our side and we still lost to rice farmers?

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>>46090559
>The virgin "Protect the civilians" western man.
>The chad "Civilians? I think you mean reserve food" asian.

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>>46103576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ket21Tg6w

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>>46093217
>>46099430
Shou is so boring not even Zounose can salvage her.

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>>46104806
US meeting its match in the Korean War by finding someone who cares even less for their troops then they do.

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>>46105878
zounose can't salvage anyone
he still can't decide what to do with Kasen and just repeats WaHH plot points whenever she shows up

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>>46081453
I looked up Lansdale, and all I could find was how he used local superstitions to help beat Communist rebels in the Philippines and how he tried to do the same in Vietnam.

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>>46107199
I mean, i like Kasen but shes kind of a played out character you can't really do much with anymore, she accomplished her goal of getting her arm back and now she just vaguely postures about "being on the side of humanity" and how she dreams of "the end of gensokyo" and then proceeds to do nothing to help the humans at all outside of just showing up in the fighting games.

Only thing you could really do with her now is exposing her as an Oni to everyone and/or having her go full bad guy again and murder people.

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>>46107353
>go full bad guy again and murder people
she wouldn't do it though because she's got no reason to merge with the arm again and she wouldn't even be the first oni to live on the surface since suika happily wanders around the village already
plus, all those fighting game appearances were before she got her arm back

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>>46107199
I won't go as far as calling it "salvaging", but his doujin were one of the first I read where Meiling and Momiji weren't a punchline to a joke or someone's butt monkey, so that was kinda nice.

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>>46107184
Funnily enough when the PRC joined it was the opposite, the red Chinese treated US conscript POWs better than they were back in the army. It's why the US had a massive defection problem, why they went into hysterics of brainwashing that never really happened, and why they had to reform how they treated random grunts.

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>>46107397
Oh yeah I forgot that those fighting games came before, she really hasn’t done jackshit since the end of her manga besides a few cameos has she?

Honestly good because I never really liked her to begin with, really annoyingly preachy and self important when she’s literally too afraid to tell everyone who she is because they would know she’s an oni and nobody would want to follow her.

Total Fraud and fake Reimu mom.

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>>46109369
Kasen has done irreversible damage to the reputation of pink haired girls everywhere.

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>>46109482
For a girl debuting from printwork, she got way too many attention. Damn horny oni seducing men with her wild body.

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>>46109897
There’s a reason the big joke about her back in the day was that she was only used in hentai doujins. If she was slightly less sexy like Eiki nobody would like her.

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>>46109897
She is wild and horny though

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>>46114130
The image just keeps getting bigger and smaller and bigger? What the fuck?

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>>46109482
It's not her fault.
Pink is just like that.

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>>46109482
Imagine mindfucking Satori with a visual representation of a dank meme compilation swirling in your head.

Flashbanging her with MLG parodies you could recite from memory

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>>46116206
Satori gets addicted to anon if anon's mind's eye is developed and interesting enough...

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>>46115945
Don't know why but I found Kokoro's especially lewd, despite the slit only going as high as the thighs which is pretty normal for any hus wearing short skirt.

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>>46116248
It's because her every movement carries that tantalizing possibility of receiving a peek directly at her forbidden zone, which is then amplified that as a dancer, her skirt is in constant motion, turning the slits themselves into a mesmerizing performance that's certain to charm any man.
Also, you just *know* that the pink autist isn't wearing anything underneath.

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>>46116242
Hit her with a Uganda knuckles and she just…

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>>46116206
Satori takes you to the side and firmly askes you to stop playing the MLG air horn in your head every few seconds.

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>>46116769
>Starts playing bass boosted metal pipe.mp3 instead

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>>46115684
Thus is the way of the hormy PS Triple

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Maybe that was a diversion so the queen of the naga could be captured.

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>>46103576
Maybe that was a diversion so the queen of the naga could be captured.

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>>46118553
The US killing and raping 4 million people just to distract everyone so they could capture a god and just stuff her in a box sounds pretty on brand.

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>>46121016
>Nixon was brought down by the Naga lobby.

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>>46121165
Funny imagining how random US presidents would use captured deities for personal gain
>George W. Bush deploying Poseidon to destroy the Pacific Ocean in 2004

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>>46123185
>Harry Truman deploying Hades to Korea in 1951

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>>46123412
>Various presidents summoning every curse and death god to destroy Fidel Castro
>Still fails

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>>46125665
tbf the Soviet Union fell in less than 60 years

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>>46126363
Castro wasn’t USSR

Cuba reigns kinda

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>>46129025
Never claimed he was.
I was pointing out that the USSR collapsed.
He was under its sphere of influence and got isolated after its collapse.
Even Vietnam likes America more than China.
Many other communists got killed or
disappeared under mysterious circumstances.
China has embraced capitalism.
Che's adventures in Africa were hilarious.
Almost all of the communist terrorist organizations around the world have been eliminated with others being rendered impotent and not a threat.

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>>46130438
Again, what does that have to do with Castro not being killed by the US? Genuine Schizoposting

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>>46130672
Casto was rendered impotent.
Broke his hip on stage and died
Not my problem you think that is schizo.
Kinda weird you suck his dick so much desu lol

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People talk about grimdark Zounouse's Doujins are, but the literal canon of Gensokyo is that Heaven is closed so the people inside are literally forced to reincarnate forever or burn in hell with no hope of salvation as the the Celestials look down and laugh and the youkai live forever and i think thats WAY more terrifying than any "youkai eats people" story

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>>46132979
This is why Buddhism is the morally superior religion. If Heaven is closed then trying to go there is futile and just prolongs your torment, instead the real goal should be to escape the cycle of reincarnation.

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>>46132979
Somehow get the Yama to turn a blind eye, then get along with Tenshi to "do an epic prank" on Heaven by opening the gates and letting in the virtuous souls cock blocked into the Netherworld.
>>46133001
Just remember there's other Buddhist afterlife realms that Touhou hasn't touched on yet. Wouldn't you just love to sentenced to the realm of eternal starvation and reincarnate as an emaciated Gaki?

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>>46132979
You can always just ask Youmu to cut you down with that sword of hers while a ghost. Instant enlightenment, and a golden ticket to heaven.

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>>46059203
>Chem Trails
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray
>Operation Sea-Spray was a 1950 U.S. Navy secret biological warfare experiment in which Serratia marcescens and Bacillus globigii bacteria were sprayed over the San Francisco Bay Area in California, in order to determine how vulnerable a city like San Francisco may be to a bioweapon attack.

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>>46133001
Funnily enough, the Christian version of Heaven is way easier to get into and would never be “closed” as long as you just believe in Jesus and repent for your sins.

Meanwhile reaching enlightenment is so fucking strict that like 0.1% of Buddhists would ever qualify and their hell is way easier to get locked into.

Also no beer so fuck that

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>don't like it?
>make your own Zounose's story
Become ungovernable..

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>>46132979
That's why we need to create our own Heaven.

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>>46132979
>>46133001
>>46133053
>>46133171
>>46133241
This is why we need to achieve our own Heaven.

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>>46133275
I do write my own stories, what now?

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>>46133001
Buddhism is not about preservation and understanding.
Enlightenment (or, the state of being fully awake) is defined as having a completely empty head, your mind being an endless void.
A person who has attained the goal Nibbana is thus indescribable because they have abandoned all things by which they could be described". The Suttas themselves describe the liberated mind as 'untraceable' or as 'consciousness without feature', making no distinction between the mind of a liberated being that is alive and the mind of one that is no longer alive.
Enlightenment is a destructive process. It
has nothing to do with becoming better, preservation or being happier. Enlightenment is the crumbling away of untruth. It's seeing through the facade of pretence. It's the complete eradication of everything we imagined to be true.
Achieving the state Enlightenment causes the individual to quite literally lose any sense of self, it's hard to even call someone who has become Enlightened an actual individual.
Buddhism calls internal dialog “Chattering Monkey” and tells us that silencing this voice is the first step on the path to enlightenment (nirvana).
Buddhism casts shade on farmers, merchants, tradespeople, etc. It doesn't say these people will go to hell, but it does spend enough time saying they're wasting their lives and if they were "really" good they'd stop all that nonsense.
Anyone doing anything of material value is effectively compromising their spirituality.

Buddha never taught Pure Land Buddhism. Prior to the development of Pure Land Buddhism, the only way to enlightenment lay through an arduous path of study and practice that was out of reach for most people.
The Mahāyāna scriptures were composed in a variety of disparate social and religious environments over the course of several centuries, diverge widely from each other in content and outlook, and were in many cases meant to stand as individual works representing rivals to the entire Hīnayāna corpus.
The Ekottara-agama also contains various unique passages on buddhānusmṛti and states that buddhānusmṛti can lead to the unconditioned, nirvana, as well as magic power.
Most of Asia adopted Mahāyāna Buddhism and its various branches which doesn't forbid having jobs or privilege monks unlike Theravada and liked its concepts of being reincarnated in a pure land Buddha field. Which is primarily focused on achieving rebirth in a Buddha's "pure land" or buddha-field, which generally speaking is a Buddha's field of influence. Buddha-fields are considered to be superior places to spiritually train for full Buddhahood, since a Buddha has compassionately "purified" it for this purpose and since in these realms, one can meet a Buddha face to face and study under them.
Many Mahayana Buddhists strive to be reborn in such a place.
Again Buddha never taught this.

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>>46133838
Did you reply to the wrong post?

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>>46133898
Did that reply upset you?

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>>46133838
Yeah like I said, it’s extremely hard to achieve actual salvation in Buddhism and even then, it basically means giving up your own identity and becoming something else. Otherwise you’re kinda stuck in perpetual pain and suffering forever with no real escape.

Christianity ain’t perfect by any means but at least the path to salvation is far more achievable no matter what sect of the religion you follow

Also the fucks Buddhism’s problem with farmers who are feeding and contributing to society?

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>>46134148
No, I'm just legitimately confused where that all came from.

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>>46133788
Nothing, you are good.

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>>46132979
Getting reicarnated in the outside world is the only true salvation.

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>>46133241
They're the same when you'll get to the right interpretation

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>>46133838
Is having babies considered the ultimate taboo in Buddhism? Obviously sex is a big no no, but I would think trapping another soul in this prison through procreation is like the worst thing you can do.
Would human self extinction be the end goal if everyone took to this creed?

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>>46135269
Implying the gods would allow you to ever escape eternal punishment. Maybe if you're lucky you'll be reborn as a type of youkai but you'd still be bottom of the food chain

Most likely however you'd just keep redoing Gensokyo til you finally fuck up and end up doing something that gets you sent to hell for 20 trillion years getting your asshole stretched by an Oni

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>>46136541
>Maybe if you're lucky you'll be reborn as a type of youkai
Say, what would you guys do if you were born as a youkai, knowing you're a living incarnation of schizo beliefs from the schizophrenic villagers?

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>>46136624
Probably just dab on those losers, knowing i can live forever as a force of nature with godlike powers while they eat dogshit and bugs

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>>46136624
>Say, what would you guys do if you were born as a youkai, knowing you're a living incarnation of schizo beliefs from the schizophrenic villagers?
Spread schizophrenia further
https://www.healio.com/news/psychiatry/20180525/burden-of-schizophrenia-increasing-globally

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>>46136624
I think its funny that the most powerful weapon against youkai would be a prologned dementia

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>>46135981
Kinda
Buddhism has no wedding ceremonies and Buddha didn't really like women.

Repost:
Some Buddha Quotes
"A woman of the world is anxious to exhibit her form and shape, whether walking, standing, sitting, or sleeping. Even when represented as a picture, she desires to captivate with the charms of her beauty and, thus, to rob men of their steadfast heart.

“Of all the scents that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the tastes that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the voices that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman. Of all the caresses that can enslave, none is more lethal than that of a woman.”

“It is better for you to have put your manhood in the mouth of a venomous snake or a pit of burning charcoal than a woman.”

"Women are insatiable in respect of two things: sex and motherhood; so insatiable that they cannot free themselves from these cravings before death."

"Seducers and astute, they destroy the noble life."

The Buddha is reported to have allowed women into the sangha only with great reluctance, predicting that the move would lead to Buddhism's collapse after 500 years, rather than the 1,000 years it would have enjoyed otherwise.

Women are not considered as a complete entity in Buddhism. Their body is not considered fit to attain enlightenment and become Buddha. There is a concept that women are not complete until they attain enlightenment to become reborn as a man. It is clearly stated in the Bahudhatuka-sutta that there could never be a female Buddha.

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>>46134508
Buddhism doesn't care about morality.
In Buddhism morality is just an illusion like the self and reality.

Buddhism, from its earliest days, has denied the existence of the "self, soul" in its core philosophical and ontological texts. In its soteriological themes, Buddhism has defined nirvana as that blissful state when a person, amongst other things, realizes that he or she has no self, no soul.
It's when you realize you don't exist and that you(self) and reality are just an illusion.

The term anattā or anātman refers to the doctrine of "non-self", that there is no unchanging, permanent self, soul or essence in living beings.

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>>46137863
>>46137911
So Buddhism is just nihilism with extra steps.

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>>46137863
Women are seen as the harbingers of destruction in all religions, a container of sin and corruption. Why didn't we heed our ancestors warnings?

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>>46137863
huh, never thought I'd ever have something in common with the Buddha

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>>46138320
it all began with pandora

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>>46137863
Damn man Buddha was based as fuck

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>>46138298
Pretty much

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The more I learn ablut buddhism, the more I realise Futo is right
>>46138974
>"I will acquire the beautiful and fresh body of a man"
sounds pretty gay

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>>46139656
Says a lot when it’s the only one of the major 4 religions that’s actively losing more members than it’s gaining by a significant number.

Like it’s not even in the top 3 religions in its OWN COUNTRY
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Buddhism_in_the_Indian_subcontinent

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>>46139843
Well, what do you know?
The perfect religion for a world of fantasy.

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>>46139656
>>46139843
>>46139908
Taoists Talking a lot of shit for a religion that is also totally irrelevant and has less active members than MORMONS.

Monotheism once again wins out as the true reality of the universe

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>>46139995
>appeal to numbers
bugs outnumber men by millions to one, does that mean we should hold them sacred?

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>>46140283
Seeing how Taoism is the creation of literal bugmen who’ve killed more people than both world wars I’d say yeah you got a point.

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>>46141023
>bringing racism to the table instead of a solid critique
I could have said birds or fish instead of bugs and my post would have remained the same. It seems abrahmanism does what it does best: spit venom like a vile snake everytime someone exposes it

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>>46140283
Bugs have done more to help the world than any Taoist ever did.

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>>46141405
Abrahmanism does what it does best… WIN

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>>46141409
ok, by those standards, bugs have done more to help the world than any human ever did

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>>46141405
Buddhism is a poo in loo religion and so is Hinduism which defeated Buddhism in debates in India. And is the 3rd largest religion in the world.

Hindus like Kumarila Bhatta and Shankaracharya refuted all the arguments of Buddhists and vanquished it from India, Buddhists lost the debate in India which is why it's a Hindu country.

Buddhists have never answered Adi Shankara arguments.

the Buddhist historian Taranatha himself admits that Kumarila Bhatta defeated a bunch of Buddhists in debates

Kumārila is also credited with the logical formulation of the Mimamsic belief that the Vedas are unauthored (apauruṣeyā). In particular, his defence against medieval Buddhist positions on Vedic rituals is noteworthy. This contributed to the decline of Buddhism in India, because his lifetime coincides with the period in which Buddhism began to decline. Indeed, his dialectical success against Buddhists is confirmed by Buddhist historian Taranatha, who reports that Kumārila defeated disciples of Buddhapālita, Bhāviveka, Dharmadasa, Dignāga and others.

Also you lack self awareness

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>>46141467
it appeals greatly to the masses, so what? smoking also does too, doesn't mean its good for you
>>46141489
>Also you lack self awareness
uhm, I wasn't even talking about buddhism there, my copy-and-paste friend

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>>46141526
>it appeals greatly to the masses, so what? smoking also does too, doesn't mean its good for you
Futo is that you, wait Futo is too stupid.
Miko, stop shitposting and get back to whipping those aspirants into shape and not training them!

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>>46141533

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>>46141405
Chinese legalism created China.
The central principle of Legalism beliefs is the idea that humans are inherently bad or immoral. They also believe that this nature is based on a tendency among humans to be selfish in their desires. Legalism considers that one's ethics or values have no bearing on their decision-making and that rules have to be put in place to direct human behaviors. By directing these behaviors, Chinese legalists believe that it will provide a greater benefit to all in society.

Basically it teaches the idea that humans are inherently bad and require strict rules and laws to deter them from doing wrong things.

Confucianism, was the preferred religion/philosophy (for the governors) over Taoism .
Confucianism=Moral/ethic centered
Taoism=Metaphysical/esoteric centered
Taoism got inside Japan and was the base for "Onmyōdō"
Confucianism is the real people controller. It's mantains to keep the status-quo of society, but in reality the mentality of having to follow what your ancestors do merely because your ancestors did it only brings about stagnation and nepotism To see the full extents of the devastation that Confucianism can cause, all you need to do is taking a look and Joseon Korea. Confucianism dragged the whole country, despite being sandwiched between two relatively modern countries (China and Japan), and turned it into a hermit kingdom.

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>>46141526
You complain of "no solid critique"
Yet, you turn around and do what you accuse others of doing.
Dismissing without refuting isn't a "solid critique"

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>>46141526
>it appeals greatly to the masses, so what? smoking also does too, doesn't mean its good for you
Cognitive dissonance
By your own logic just because it isn't popular doesn't mean it's good.
That's a hipster approach to it.

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>>46141480
I mean they have objectively

>>46141526
Whole point of religion is to spread the teachings to as many people as possible. Abrahamic religions have spread their ideals to all of the world while Taoist’s only exist in gift shops and self help books.

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>>46141565
I know legalism already existed in BC era, but it's still funny that some of them were dunking on Confucianists and Taoists, like this guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_Chong

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Wow, I didn't think I'd relate to a fictional character this much holy shit.
I wasn't even that big of a Chimata fan but this story really hit me deep.

I've read almost every story they've done, and this is the stand-out for me.

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>>46036632
Zounose's horror stories are usually written like shit, but I enjoy their comedy doujins.

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>>46141573
>Yet, you turn around and do what you accuse others of doing.
explain me where I did it, all
>Dismissing without refuting isn't a "solid critique"
i don't have to refute you anything because all you did was say "hurr durr bugmen, hur durr look at the numbah", you are the one who didn't bring anything remotely smart in the first place, yet you accuse me of being the shallow one
you want solid critique? look at the many contradictions on the bible (god is all shine and rainbow yet he ruined a man's life just because he wanted to "test him", what a lovely god that can turn on you at any given moment, also he gives you free will but he has already a plan for you, ruining the whole concept), the fact that jesus didn't fulfill any prophecy at the end, and the list goes on
>That's a hipster approach to it.
taoism, for example, is more esoteric and difficult to approach than just believing in whatever deity you want to believe and expect it to fulfill your wishes (elohim's will doesn't work like that, by the way, making it pointless in the long run). obviously, the easy path attracts more people than the other option
>>46143862
>whole point of religion is to spread
the whole point of religion is to save people, not to spread it, thats something someone with an imperialistic mindset would say
>while Taoist’s only exist in gift shops and self help books
the west is not the entire world
>>46141565
>Chinese legalism created China
while you cannot argue about the results, its no wonder the chinese would eventually end up like they are: a miserable people, cold and afraid of their masters
also confucianism =! taoism
>>46144182
funny, he could have dissed the rest of the world theistic religions in the same way with his rationalism, like anyone could do today

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>>46144877
>explain me where I did it, all
Easy nowhere in your post is there an actual soils critique. It's all an appeal to emotion fallacy.
You're feelings are not an argument
>look at the many contradictions on the bible (god is all shine and rainbow yet he ruined a man's life just because he wanted to "test him", what a lovely god that can turn on you at any given moment, also he gives you free will but he has already a plan for you, ruining the whole concept), the fact that jesus didn't fulfill any prophecy at the end, and the list goes on
This proves my point you're crying about Christanity and make sweeping generlizations without backing up your claims with sources or links.
That is called strawman.
Also nobody but you brought up Abrahmanism which you brought up unprompted.
Grasping at straws
It is clear that you ignore the topic of the thread as a chance to cry about Abrahamism unprompted.
I doubt that you follow Taoism or its practices and just use it as a cover to throw a temper tantrum.

Your lack of self awareness and pearl clutching is hilarious

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>>46144953
*solid*
Also
>i don't have to refute you anything because all you did was say "hurr durr bugmen
I never said that.
You do realize you are arguing with multiple anons correct?
Why don't you take your own advice?

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>>46038495
>taoists don't do this shit

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>>46144877
>funny, he could have dissed the rest of the world theistic religions in the same way with his rationalism, like anyone could do today
To play devil's advocate let me present to you the nilihists argument agaisnt atheism.

Max Stirner, saw secular morality as nothing more than a new religion.
Which Nietzsche also refers to as Western Buddhism.
Take for example the Genealogy of Morals, the third essay What is the Meaning of Aesthetic Ideals.
It specifically addresses the idea that freedom requires a freedom from truth.
It's no more or less crazy than anything else.
"Atheists are skeptical for the existence of God, but they are credulous and gullible when you replace the word ‘God’ with another mysterious thing called ‘morals." - Max Stirner
"The 'absolute idea' in Hegelian philosophy, which again in manifold refractions split into the different ideas of philanthropy, reasonableness, civic virtue, and so on. The philosophers of our time say concepts are to decide everywhere, concepts to regulate life, concepts to rule.
To which Hegel gave a systematic expression, bringing method into the nonsense and completing the conceptual precepts into a rounded, firmly-based dogmatic. Everything is sung according to concepts and the real man, I, am compelled to live according to these conceptual laws."
Stiner pissed off his fellow young Hegelians when he asked them if the universe is meaningless and when they said yes, he told them it was absurd to try and create meaning out of the meaningless and that they were just hypocrites trying to impose their will on others with made up concepts.
He also told them how could good, evil and wrong exist in a meaningless universe and to define "evil" and "wrong".
Again
When they said religion is used to control people he asked how that was any different from laws, society, social norms, ethics and even civilization itself. As they are all used to control people and their behavior and called them hypocrites.

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Oh god, religion war. Did somebody steal Kokoro's mask again?

>>46144708
This and Tricolor Marche is probably the most Touhou-like Touhou doujin he's put out. Don't know why the UM casts made him dial down the gore, but it's a nice surprise.

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>>46145042
Fuck off, Santa. You're not even a real hermit striving to become a celestial.
Also, the mountain hermit is sexier.

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>>46141405
>>46141526
>>46144877
Gets BTFO and called out on his bullshit
Cries to the mod
Lmao

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>>46145210
I really liked his newest (i think) one with Marisa and that witch

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>>46036632
The Hatate and Reisen one is pretty wholesome

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>>46147875
The unnamed runaway rabbit is very cute, I decided.

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>>46145042
Gensokyo Taoists are total assholes though, not a good representation of Taoists

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>>46152562
God i hate the way he draws Suwako, looks like fucking Toad from X-Men.

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>>46153905
Yeah you need to read xianxia to see how taoists are...

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>>46157320
Can't wait for Futo to shout "You are courting death!" in the future games.

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>>46157660
Junior, you dare?

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>>46157282
But how do you feel about anomalocarisuwako?

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>>46152562
How is it that the Lumarians have no body armor and still use bolt-action rifles?

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>>46157820
The Lunarians keep the moon rabbits underequipped as a joke.

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>>46133001
...But that's what Heaven 'is'.

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>>46134391
>Also the fucks Buddhism’s problem with farmers who are feeding and contributing to society?
The Buddhist view of material existence holds it in contempt. Structured society inevitably evolves into systems drawing people to live beyond their means, sacrificing any and every spiritual pursuit, or themselves being sacrificed for the sake of things.

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Bu yer indi mənim tualetimdir.

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>>46158610
>Heaven is literally nihilistic nonexistence
Bitch then why do i even need to believe in Buddhism if the ultimate result is oblivion anyway? At least Chrsitians and Muslims get rewarded for all their suffering, Buddhists strive to just do what Athiests already think we do anyway.

>>46158669
>Religion created by a nepobaby prince who got bored one day and decided to preach about hippy shit
>Think women are all evil and men should reject their advances and live as a kissless virgin
>Said Religion hates hard working family men who contribute to society and try to provide for their family and think they should all just give up and eat berries in the woods

Can't imagine why this religion is dying off so hard.

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>>46157989
They're gonna be in for a rough time if we start colonizing the moon.

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>>46164001
According to one of the mangas they got their asses kicked pretty hard by a 60-70s America with their “advanced weaponry” so I can’t imagine how screwed they’d be with modern stuff we got cooking.

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>>46158669
Can’t even get a job at McDonalds without damning my soul to hell. Thanks Buddha.

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When you think about it, considering Wukong started off disrespecting Buddha and ends up becoming one himself, Journey To The West is technically a corruption story.

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>>46169721
Yeah it’s basically the story of a guy who wanted to be respected for his talents and hard work, told to fuck off and laughed at by cruel gods who looked down upon him because he was just a monkey, proved himself better and beat the shit out of all those who wronged him down… only to told by the god of his story that he should just deal with the fact he’s a stupid monkey, must bend the knee to the rules of the universe, and ultimately gets defeated and punished til he is buck broken into being a good little Buddhist.

History’s ultimate rebel learned you can never beat the system and ultimately must conform or be punished, even if you’re the one being wronged.

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>>46169721
The Buddha being deified and worshipped just seems really wrong, and goes against everything Buddhism stands for.
It gets weird when he is suddenly not just a simple man, but the son of actual gods in some of these tales.

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>>46170766
>Son of actual gods in some of those tales
Ironically he was considered the avatar of Vishnua, aka GOD god of Hinduism so he'd be straight up East Asian Jesus

Hell, Its like the antithesis of Islam making Jesus back into just another major prophet instead of the actual son of God.

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>>46170897
>he was considered the avatar of Vishnua, aka GOD god of Hinduism
Didn't the Brahmins cast inquisit'ed Theologica'ed his ass so hard that the original Buddhism was wiped clean in India? (something similar happen in Afghanistan in the past)

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>>46171320
Oh yeah, it got so bad that nowadays the top three religions are Hinduism, Islam… and Christianity

Man get Jesus’s only for Jesus to then out Jesus him.

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man zounose's interpretation of youkai make it hard to empathize with those backward manchildren
the villagers are also portrayed as stupid but eh

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>>46171462
I mean it’s hard to empathize with most of the characters even in the official manga/games. I honestly don’t think there’s a single character outside of maybe Byakuren, Komachi, and Eiki that are squeaky clean.

And those three are seen as either Naive, Lazy, or Annoying.

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>>46171462
That's how I feel about canon as well.

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>>46153905
Only Taoist I respect is Cao Pi.

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>>46171462
It's a fair portrayal of a bunch of parasitic elitist fucks who'd trap an entire village just to preserve their own life.

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>>46172285
malding about your betters again are we

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>>46172306
>Betters
>Living in a literal island of misfit toys because nobody believes in them anymore and they’re too pussy to try to take over the real world

They live in an oversized golf course fighting for control of like 200 inbred hicks too stupid to read. They’re superior to jack and shit, and jack left town.

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>>46172478
I mean, Human village in canon seems to be the size of a small city.

Otherwise, correct.

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>>46171462
Humans suck so youkai dominance is justified

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>>46175562
t. a youkai who somehow has internet access

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>>46171462
>humans are stupid
>youkais are also stupid
that's 2hu for you

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>>46175571
I mean, Hatate exists. They called it tautasomething but really it's just Google search.

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>>46175607
Villagers in canon are honestly not that stupid. At worst overly confident yet paxidocally put upon.

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>>46176126
*paradoxically

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>>46176126
I wish someone would create incidents with human village as the core. Like reverse-spirited away, for example, in which all of the human villagers are thrown into the outside world, creating a mass panic among the youkais since their only source of sustenance suddenly disappeared.

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>>46171656
>Byakuren, Komachi, and Eiki
>squeaky clean
You people really don't read the profiles or the print works, do you.

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>>46176241
Ive read some possible fan theories about Byakuren having a shady past but a lot of it seems like fan theory.

Actually curious what’s wrong with Komachi and Eiki since they’re just doing their job and hold no malice

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>>46176227
I wish we would learn more about the human village in general. They are more of a plot device than a actual society.

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>>46176262
>Ive read some possible fan theories about Byakuren having a shady past but a lot of it seems like fan theory.
Are you for real?

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>>46175412
At absolute best it’s like 2000-5000 people, so they’re literally fighting over a small Midwest town whose high school mascot would be George Washington with a Mohawk.

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>>46176284
Genuinely what about Byakuren is actually evil/bad that isn’t speculation?

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>>46176308
Her UFO profile?

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>>46176305
I guess? Some of the art makes it seem like a small city, at least by medieval standards. Either way though, I agree that it is petty.

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>>46176227
They would have to be non-native to Gensokyo to even consider pulling that, which isn't impossible since we get the likes of Heca and Junker to name a few.
But they also have to be *really* stupid because that's basically declaring war on everyone. Not even Seija goes that far and she's a fucking amanojaku.

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>>46176337
Honestly, I wish we had a story about a actual villager causing a incident.

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>>46176328
Outside of her love of Youkai and her maybe getting a few of the sailors she worked wiith killed to stop Murasa from killing more people... what could you argue in her UFO profile makes her evil?

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>>46176337
Imagine theres like... another Gensokyo type place for other pantheons of Gods or even other Demons that want to take the Human village for their own faith. Like a God of War scenario where theres different realms for each Gods.

Hecatia herself is based on the Greek god Hecate so its not completely out of left field.

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>>46177357
Youkai are ontologically evil.

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what is it exactly that dictate how powerful a youkai is? the quantity of humans fearing it or the belief about its powers?

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>>46177376
I feel like if there is one the Greek pantheons would just have a whole other dimension to themselves, like how Netherworld is to Gensokyo.
No way in hell would they mingle with mortals and monsters who probably hate their guts anyway.

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>>46179564
Again, that’s why I said she was Naive… that’s not automatically malice just stupidity

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>>46184423
That sounds like mental gymnastics

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>>46184423
She's still culpable as a race traitor and needs to be genocided along with the other youkai.

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>>46176262
komachi doesn't even do her job right
she slacks off too much
isn't that evil?

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>>46184466
>>46184502

Listen guys, she’s got a nice rack and a fat ass… I can fix her

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>>46183705
How hot they are. I mean look at Yukari or Kasen

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>>46184550
She's a subhuman and deserves to be exterminated like all filthy fucking youkai.

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>>46179564
everything can be considered ontologically evil if you press hard enough
>>46184423
>stupidity
you can argue about the results, but Byakuren is managing to redeem some youkai, making them capable not to rely on human's fear (maybe even faith) to exist. It'a quite hard, but she's making progress, small as it may be
Reimu ironically shits on her in the games, while in practise she pretty much almost does the same as Byakuren: she lets good youkai alone and merry, and exterminates the ones who are too irredeemeable

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>>46184550
>she’s got a nice rack and a fat ass
Buddha was right about women...

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>>46184735
>Reimu
>Only exterminating the irredeemable
Yeah the only Youkai we outright ever see her permanently put down was the one who had the best reason to be a youkai

Reimu doesn’t exterminate most youkai because she basically works for the youkai and just keeps everything in check. She doesn’t care about doing the right thing, in fact she kind of enjoys hurting people for shits and giggles.

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>>46185166
NTA
But, somebody didn't read Symposium of Post-Mysticism. Either that or you competently skipped the ending.

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>>46185166
Reimu only allows female youkai.
This is because both the female youkai and her are on a quest for human cock.

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>>46185178
I mean Reimu isn’t always a very consistent character across mediums but FS basically lays down that Reimu ain’t on the side of people she’s apart of the power structure ruled by Yukari

Hell, Marisa spells it out right at the end

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>>46185276
Didn’t post the picture but here

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>>46185179
Youkai pussy was made for human penis.

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>>46176262
Byakuren is at least a terrible Buddhist given that she strove to obtain immortality which is the ultimate expression of tying one's self to the material world.
And the majority of her students are either people who used a similar line of reasoning to become youkai, or animals who are too tied to instinct to ever achieve enlightenment with their current bodies.

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>>46185283
This doesn't contradict her character in the end of SoPM, her entire thing in the ending is that she acts ruthless because she wants to avoid unnecessary violence.

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>>46036632
>What is your opinion of Zounouse's touhou doujins?
I use them as fap material (don't judge me, please) when i get tired of canon Gensokyo and Cutesokyo.

Because being eaten or killed by a sexy youkai is very hot.

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>>46185394
TBF, Buddhism is a terrifying religion when it comes to death, so I can kinda see why someone who knows they’re gonna suffer in Hell for 10 trillion years not wanting to die.

That and she’s a woman in Japanese Buddhist land so the mere act of existing guarantees hell.

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>>46185652
>Buddhism is a terrifying religion when it comes to death
It kind of is: If I am not mistaken, buddhist afterlife is similar to evangelion's fanta meme: you abandon yourself and become one with other people in nirvana, losing all individuality

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>>46185846
So you do all that shit just to end up technically dead anyway.

Man no wonder the Japanese are so fuckin Athiest now.

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>>46185912
Buddhism that developed in Japan is a far cry from the Buddhism that was founded in India, mostly taking in a lot from the China variety. Some of the dominations that sprung up in Japan made attaining Nirvana really easy, like pray once a day and you will be awarded easy.

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>>46185977
Ain’t the Japanese Buddhism also where shit like “If your son dies young he is forced to the hell in which he must climb on rocks that are knocked down constantly by a demon to escape for a billion years” and “women who menstrate instantly go to the hell where you burn in pools of blood for a trillion years”

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>>46185912
Buddhism is pretty much an atheist religion. India has lots of those.

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>>46186040
>Basically an atheist religion
Except the numerous gods and literal alternate realities and hell realms that make up a majority of the religion.

It’s “athiest” in that it doesn’t exactly believe in a true God but it’s got basically everything else

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>>46186310
Real Buddhism isn't pure land Buddhism.
Buddha isn't prayed to, nor is he considered divine in real Buddhism(the one he taught).

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>>46186310
>It’s “athiest” in that it doesn’t exactly believe in a true God but it’s got basically everything else
That is what an atheist is.
The disbelief in god(s) now they can believe in aliens and alternates dimensions and even aliens and they can still be called atheists.
If they didn't believe in all that other stuff they are nihilist

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>>46186343
Even outside of Buddha there are other gods and demons in Buddhist mythology, even in the original mythology, specifically local Indian gods

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>>46186391
*said aliens twice*
fug

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>>46186391
Buddhists believe in deities and other godlike beings. Hell, certain sects of Buddhism are outright pagan

Just because you don’t believe in ONLY monotheistic God doesn’t mean you’re Atheist, Greek Mythology wasn’t Atheist so neither would Buddhism.

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>>46186394
Buddha called them illusions and said they were made up by people and these illusions stopped people from reaching enlightenment.
He calls the self and reality an illusion too.
It is why Hindus hated him so much.

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>>46186412
You're thinking of Pure Land Buddhism
>Just because you don’t believe in ONLY monotheistic God doesn’t mean you’re Atheist,
definition says otherwise
a·the·ist
/ˈāTHēəst/
noun
a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

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>>46186435
That’s literally what I said, Atheism is about not believing in ANY gods/deities, not just not believing in an omnipotent god.

Buddhism still fits the description since even the earliest denominations of Buddhism believed in Indian deities and devas which are translated as being literal god-like beings if not outright gods

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_(Buddhism)

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>>46186460
>That’s literally what I said, Atheism is about not believing in ANY gods/deities, not just not believing in an omnipotent god.
And I agreed with you but you keep thinking pure land Buddhism is real Buddhism
see>>46133838

It is like when an nihilist asks an atheist to prove morals exist. or good and evil.

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>>46186310
It establishes the belief of entities with superpowers, but it never encourages you to worship them. Buddhism even has a conception of something akin to Abrahamic God, yet rejects that He would be responsible for creation or would desire worship since that doesn't gel with their ideas of perfection.
It's more accurate to say it's anti-theist.

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>>46186665
Still aint techically anti-theist because anti-theism straight up denies the existence of ANY deity or god-like being and wishes to expose that truth.

Not worshiping them /=/ not believing they exist, which is the definition of atheism. It would probably be more like Dustheism in that case.

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>>46186418
Imagine saying that, and then your autistic followers start worshipping you, and even calling you an aspect of some Hindu god of creation/destruction.
Religion is quite a comedy show sometimes.

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>>46186734
To be fair any political or philosophical ideology or movement is quite comedic.

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>>46186715
>that truth
lol

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>>46186734
To be more on topic, imagine Buddha looking into Gensokyo and not only seeing his followers using his visage to make money, not only seeing literal demons occupying his temple, not only seeing the leader of said temple preaching his work while also doing the exact opposite of everything he believed in... but also finding out that shes a woman.

Poor guy would rip himself out of nirvana from pure rage.

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>>46186040
>>46186814
Of course it's a Zounose thread this shit gets posted in.

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>>46186829
Don't forget it's coming out of your mouth too!