/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

/jp/, do you prefer Tsukihime or FS/N?

[Anonymous No.]

To be fair I still haven't played Fate.

[Nadie. No.]

Tsukihime obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118284
Tsukihime/
I liked both.

[Anonymous No.]

Haven't played Tsukihime and from what my friend tells me about it, it doesn't sound as interesting as FSN.

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime

FS/N is shit, Nasu tried to write a complex story and failed miserably, plot hax, 0 character development, shitty heroines (even the best heroine, Saber, can't compete with the worst Tsukihime heroine, Ciel), unlikeable main character and flat villain (lolimevilandretarded)

[Anonymous No.]

Can't compare these two VNs.
Tsukihime is much more dramatic, whereas FSN is more focused on action.

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118314
...Yeah, no.
About the action focus.
The fact that it has more, it does not mean it is the focus.

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime.

[Anonymous No.]

I think shiki is slightly more likeable as a protagonist, so he is easier for me to relate to.

Also, akiha is olev

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime. Becouse Shiki>Shirou.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118363
Was that the tie-breaker or the sole reason?

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't beaten the Far Side routes yet, but so far I prefer F/SN.

Presentation makes a BIG difference, in my books.

[Anonymous No.]

F/SN.
I liked the Tsukihime characters more, but the routes of F/SN work slightly better.
The bigger budget for presentation tips the scales a bit too(perhaps when the remake comes out, I'll change my mind)

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihimay and FSN are about on same level in my book.

Turkeyhandle:
+ Less aggravatingly shittarded hero
+ None of the girls made me want to chainsaw their faces off
+ One actually pretty good plot twist

- Very dated and low-tech
- The five routes are mostly just two routes with minor differences
- It's very hard to describe Arc without using the "M.S." words

FSN:
+ Prettier
+ Longer
+ At least its characters make me feel something, even if it's constant anger

- Shirou is so goddamn stupid I want to kill all his living parts and it feels like some kind of a biblical punishment to have to play as him
- Rin never dies no matter how hard I wish her to
- Several other aggravating characters never get their due punishment, I don't know if this is some kind of a misguided attempt to be edgy on Nasu's part or if he really thinks they're not shitheads

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime: 8.5/10
FSN: 8/10
Source: My taste.

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime.

Nasu tried too hard in F/SN. The pacing is horrible as in horribly slow, the story has barely any emotional impact, the characters come off as flat.

It has better graphics, sure, but that doesn't make up for the 70 hours you have to waste on a story which doesn't really give you anything as a reader.

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime. The characters are better, and the tone is darker rather than DBZ/Naruto with sex. I liked UBW, but Fate and HF really killed F/SN for me, whereas Tsukihime had 2 routes that were meh and 3 that were good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118417
...If you dislike F/SB and it does not have any impact on you by the Fate route end, continuing on the other two seems weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118417

I'd argue that the Near Side routes have very little emotional impact either.

Anyone who didn't feel anything in the Normal End of Heaven's Feel isn't human, in my books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118430
Some people are completionists, some listened to the UBW/HF ARE MUCH BETTER I SWEAR advices that you can see in every FSN thread, some just have a lot of free time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118437
It's hard to feel anything for a character like Sakura

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118430
I was mostly looking forward to HF, which actually turned out to be the best route IMHO. I think HF was good as a story, but still, overly prolonged writing is a huge turn-off for me and I thought it hurt the story a lot, undermining any possible emotional impact that could have happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118448

Some people actually like Sakura, you know that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118413
'SHitheads or characters I dislike not getting punished=bad vn'.
Hmm.

[Alexander Degtyarev !!U9Xis6E7fDA No.]

>>5118284
FSN

<-- also at all the wannabe art/script critics ITT

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118465

What? Tsukihime DOES look and sound awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118476

I don't get the "tsukihime looks awful", i'm playing it now and it's fine.

I agree with the sound, but at least you can replace the songs, while in FS/N you have to listen to the same awful tracks for 80 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118464

I don't know about you, but I want the good guys to win and the bad guys to be sent into the Pain Dimension of Blagx.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT F/SN fans are mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118485
Well, no accounting for taste.
This standard kinda limits enjoyment you get from stories though.

[Alexander Degtyarev !!U9Xis6E7fDA No.]

>>5118476
its outdated. Doom 1&2 look/sound awful by today's standards too. doesnt stop them from being awesome games though.

still preferring FSN because Tsukihime was short as fuck and all paths, well at least the first 5 i played, were virtually identical. but the idea was nice, and it wasnt too bad for such a short path either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118502
...Where?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118519
Short?
Really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118519
ITT: uneducated opinions.

[Anonymous No.]

Tsuikihime:
+ Great Heroines
+ Less retarded fanservice ("lol every girls is bi!!")
+ Better script, you don't feel like a retard while playing it
+ Decent plot twist

- Awful ost

FS/N
+ Looks great
+ The setting is fantastic, to bad you are stuck in a retarded.

- Retarded characters that make me want to throw the pc out of the window.
- Saber is King Arthur, Rin has 0 development and is stuck to an informationdump most of the time, Sakura is shit, Ilya has no route.
- Terrible script
- Overused soundtracks.
- To much fanservice, really. There is no need to have a yuri moment for every female, Nasu.
- EXPOSITION TIME

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime: Decent concept good characters
F/SN: Good concept bad characters

I'm partial to F/SN though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118545
>Saber is King Arthur
OK
>There is no need to have a yuri moment for every female
Apart from the one scene, did I miss something?

> EXPOSITION TIME
Tsukihime has that too in spades

[Anonymous No.]

I don't see what is so good about the concept of FSN.
Honestly the only thing that felt innovative was Shirou's characterization.

[Anonymous ‮.tahw ‪‪‪‬ ‪‬ ‭‬ !Jones4ZrPA No.]

Tsukihime.

The only thing F/sn has over Tsukihime is better art and sound, and those are the least important things in a visual novel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118560

Let's see..

Rin x Saber (obvious)

Caster wanted to violate Saber

Dark Sakura gets exited to Rin and rapes her..

Rider x Sakura subtext..

Ayako x Rin in the PS2 dream

[CollegeOtaku !ABCDEDEZEY No.]

>>5118571
with the rumored remake of Tsukihime, does this mean if this remake is released, it may surpass fs/n.. With my calculations, there is a really big probability it will, nasu is a great story teller with superb marketing strategies

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118576

forgot
> EXPOSITION TIME
Tsukihime has that too in spades

Yeah, but it didn't give me an headache..

MAGI CIRCUITS CONNECTED TO THE GRAIL, GRAIL, DARK, CONTAMINATED, MAGIC CIRCUITS, LINE, CONNECTED, ANGRA MAYU

[Anonymous No.]

I guess there isn't much "action" VNs like FSN available in english
Phantom of Inferno is in that horrible DVD format, Kikokugai is too short, Princess Waltz is more moe than anything, Aselia and Utawarerumono are too focused on the gameplay.
I can see why FSN stick out a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118571
>The only thing F/sn has over Tsukihime is better art and sound

I'd say FSN's basic idea is more interesting too. Having a magical secret cockfight using deceased legends is way better than "there is a serial killer who is obviously a vampire, also everything with a vagina in a five mile radius desires your dick for some not adequately explained reason".

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118597
Because action is pretty much the least fitting content for VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118571

I can't enjoy a visual novel if the soundtrack isn't memorable. I've been really spoiled by Umineko.

Also, F/SN has Kotomine. This should automatically make it better.

[Anonymous No.]

F/SN

F/SN had somewhat better characters, much better setting, better music, and better graphics.

The plot contained even more bullshit and hax than Tsukihime did, with even more Deus ex Machinae, but... not enough to make it worse overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118600
>also everything with a vagina in a five mile radius desires your dick for some not adequately explained reason".

This happens in FS/N to, duh.

And at least most of Tsukihime girls arem't all bi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118607
FSN has shitty soundtrack.
And Kotomine must be the most overrated character ever here.
Yeah he is better than the villains of Tsukihime but that's not hard.

[Anonymous No.]

I proffered F/SN personally.
Tsukihime's format is largely '1 route=1 girl, enter interactions'.
While they are good, most of the events that happen per route are repeated, and little extra characterization happens outside the main routes(exception possibly the twin routes).
Shiki, aside from being rude as fuck and mind-controlled every now and then, has little personality and development, aside from deciding which girl is most important.
F/SN's varied routes and developments made it easier/more enjoyable to go through each route.

I like both much, but F/SN works better as a story.
Tsukihime girls are still superior/
Both Vns suffer from overexposition and repetitive phrasings/descriptions, but run on an interesting setting.

Well, that is my PREFERENCE, I do not mean to present these as facts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118612
>This happens in FS/N to, duh.

Not true at all! Only three out of six women want it in FSN, while in Tsukihime it's six out of six (okay, Akiha has a reason so she gets a pass).

[Anonymous No.]

I prefer mollusks

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118607
>Tsukihime has Arihiko. This should automatically make it better.

fixed

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118623
But neither of them have them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118618

The soundtrack isn't great, but Tsukihime's was laughably awful. I got sick of it so fast that I replaced it with the Ever17 soundtrack for most of my play.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118621

Ilya wanted your cock to.

And Arc didn't love Shiki by default, like ever FS/N girls loved Shirou from the start.

So i'd say 5 vs 4

[Anonymous No.]

Both FS/N's soundtrack and Tsukihime's are awful

But you can replace Tsukihime ost with Umineko's, so Tsukihime>FS/N

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118637

Most girls in visual novels want the protagonist's cock.

At least F/SN somewhat explains why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118623
which of his games has mollusks then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118650
Because they saw him jump a bar.
BEST REASON EVER

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118649
So, having mismatched tracks from an overrated soundtrack with still only 10 slots makes it better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118623
>>5118629
What game does the mollusk thing come from??

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118649

But. But. Promised Sword of Victory. EMIYA. Light and Darkness. Embrace. Lorelei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118654
That only really applies to 1 of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118660
2 actually, Sakura and Rin

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118654

No, it was because of DETERMINATION.

Yeah, it's a shitty reason, but at least it's a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

I prefer Tsukihime slightly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118654
Of course it is.Why do you think Saber was summoned as his Servant?
Merlin gave her a vision of Shirou jumping the bar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118663
While Rin became INTERESTED in the person, she did not hang outside the house, begging to become essentially a maid.

[Anonymous No.]

I'd say Tsukihime, but that was before I was spoiled by the anti-populist Nasu movement here, which made me never bother with Heaven's Feel. Still, I think I prefer the somewhat more lowkey and personal scale of events in Tsukihime.
Characters are about even for me - there are more characters in FSN, but it evened out to both more likeable and dislikable ones for me. Don't really care much for Shirou, though. Shiki was more bland but more relateable as a result.
Music was better in Fate overall, but I still like the main Tsukihime theme better than any of the Fate ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118670

That's because Rin think to hight for herself, and she won't have sex with anyone unless he's superman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118637
Didn't Arc have sex with Shiki because he guessed her 3 sizes? Or am I remembering that wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118670

She also wasn't being violently raped on a daily basis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118688

You're remembering it wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118688

Nope, he said she loved her.
They have sex later in the route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118686
Point still stands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118618
>Yeah he is better than the villains of Tsukihime but that's not hard.

Roa is a better villain, at least the original Roa, he was the only TM villain who got what he wanted. He is more intelligent and deep than Kotomine, not to mention he is the strongest Type-Moon villain.

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime has great atmosphere. It actually made me turn off the sound a few times because I was so scared and filled with tension.

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime definitely.
And while it may get crap for its OST, it's not like it's bad, or not IMO anyway.

While I do think the OST could use some updating, I've come to like the OST myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118716
The original Roa didn't appear in Tsukihime so who care?
The Roa of the game sucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118741
He appears at the end of Ciel's good end, when Shiki pierced the dot on his own chest. He was reading a book and he has a small conversation with Shiki, he dissapears afterwards, among all the TM villains that was one of the most profound parts in Tsukihime.

[Anonymous No.]

I know I'm in the minority, but I found FSN far more enjoyable than Tsukihime. I'm not sure what exactly made me so bitter towards Tsukihime, but it became almost painful to trudge through the far side routes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118741
The backstory the game itself gives is interesting.
Even is his appearances in the two routes do not seem as much, when you see how much he has affected and realize how and why these things happened, it makes him interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118806
You're not in the minority. FSN is preferred over Tsukihime ever so slightly in the big picture.

I guess it's kind of like FF7. It's more popular but on message boards and stuff you might find a lot more people liking FF6 instead

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime:
+ The details are so much more interesting than F/SN. What you learn, you nominally learn in bits and pieces, all more interesting than the last. The Tohno family's dark history alone is worth it all. Lines of Death are such a strange, novel, all-binding concept in the story.
+ The girls are so much more interesting. Even Curry, who I consider the worst overall, has times when she's great, really great. They all have real reasons for acting the way they do, whether you agree or not with their motives. They are all VERY unique in their own stories, so that you don't end up with one heroine just being another (not unique as archetypes, though they are so in many ways)
+ Divides up well into two separate flows. All of the stories rely on each other, so you never learn everything about even one route until you play it all. Excellent linchpin route that wraps it all up.

- Nasu, and the poor translation thereof, creates humorous, but horrible, moments that were made for memes. I exclude land shark for obvious reasons, as that was great.
- Soundtrack. Not so good. Primitive graphics/animation by comparison. Begs for a redo. Tsukihime Forever.
- "Hi, my name is forced exposition. Nice to meet you. Let's have a chat for the next hour, shall we?"

[Alexander Degtyarev !!U9Xis6E7fDA No.]

>>5118540
because having played it is uneducated obviously

>>5118545
Sakura shit? how so? for reacting to her situation in a realistic way?

>>5118536
yes. really. It takes about an hour to play trough a Tsukihime path, it takes about a full day to play trough an FSN one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118856
F/SN:
+ There are some really great moments of action, maybe more great moments than in Tsukihime. You can, for the most part, feel the flow of them. Lancer vs. Archer, Saber vs. Fake Assassin, the Shirou fights, Kotomine vs. True Assassin, especially Shirou vs. Dark Saber. Great use of the medium.
+ The heroic theme of F/SN is bunk in Fate, but Shirou's dream reaching a compromise with reality, and the way he rejects possible and real failures as the end of the dream itself, spoke volume to me. Something can be beautiful, even if others can't see it, even if it can't be realized. A dream worth living for is one you find worth living for, the judgment of others be damned. Especially if that other person is your future self.
+ Kotomine. Tsukihime lacks a suitable true villain for it. In Tsukihime, everyone is the villain in some way, a conspiracy of coincidence and things that just couldn't be fixed. Kotomine gives face to everything that's wrong, but forces you to even like him for who he is. A very compelling villain. Roa just couldn't do that.
- "BEHOLD: I HAVE BECOME EXPOSITION, GOD OF RAILROADING!"
- The slice of life is, for the most part, excruciatingly terrible. OH MY, SABER IS BEING ADORABLE! OH MY, RIN IS BEING OBTUSE! OH MY, SAKURA IS COOKING FOOD! Also, "BUT YOU'RE A WOMAN, SO THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T FIGHT!" goes here, although I love Gilgamesh for how he runs with that.
- Sakura gets an entire route, doesn't really do anything in it, and ends up happy, but Sacchin eats into the entire middle portion of three routes vigorously, puts Shiki's faults on display, and has a compelling death (two separate ones, in fact), but she can't get a fucking route or good ending.

Goddamn it, Nasu.

Tsukihime spawned Kagetsu Tohya, Fate spawned Hollow Ataraxia. Both have good use of the principal characters, but Kagetsu Tohya has the main antagonist as his own badass worst nightmare.

And Len. Delicious Len.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118864

Don't you know? Sakura is shit because she's not a virgin.

Never mind that Rin can be rather a slut sometimes and Saber has fucked women, no, SAKURA ISN'T PURE BLARGH GLARGH HATE.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>5118908
Most people don't like Sakura because she has a terrible personality and is useless. The "not a virgin" part doesn't make a lot of people hate Ciel or Kohaku. So, it's not just that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118920

I don't consider someone who ends up being the (rather frightening) main villain of the route to be 'useless'.

And what exactly gives her a 'terrible personality'? She's a rape victim, and behaves realistically if you consider that fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118908
>Don't you know? Sakura is shit because she's not a virgin.

Not really.

I don't care for that, She's shit because the game tries to make you feel sorry for her, but it fails miserably. She's bland and uninteresting.

And i don't like Rin, she has zero development.

Saiba is ok, but lolimkingarthur.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118865
>Tsukihime spawned Kagetsu Tohya
> Fate spawned Hollow Ataraxia

Don't forget Melty Blood and Fate Zero.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>being the (rather frightening) main villain of the route
>Sakura

Okay, we're done here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118940

Fate/Zero is the best thing to ever come out of a Nasu work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118864
>s. really. It takes about an hour to play trough a Tsukihime path

lolwat.

I'm playing Tsukihime now, every path takes almost 10 hours, it long half of FS/N.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118950
And it's not even written by him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118952

Gee, I wonder if there's any connection there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118955

Nope, can't find one.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah, when I played Tsukihime it felt a bit short to me. But it's nearly 3 megabytes of text, which isn't really all that far behind Fate. I guess the numbers can't lie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118952
Actually, a good part of it is written by him, just like Melty Blood.

[Angry Type-Moon Fan !MOONRXwPDU No.]

I think i liked Tsukihime more than FSN mostly because it does not try to be epic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118971

The ending seems a lot more typical of Nitroplus, though.

[Anonymous No.]

Fate/Stay night. I enjoyed the concept of servents and the grail war much more than the idea of an over-powered protagonist fighting vampire serial killers with female Edward Cullen. Also, Fate/Stay Night might have had a lot of food discussions, but that was a hell of a lot better than Shiki lying in bed all day like in Tsukihime, in my opinion. All the routes were very different rather than two different routes repeated over and over, and F/SN generally had a better feel to it.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>fighting vampire serial killers with female Edward Cullen

HERE WE GOOOOO.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118978

I don't get why everyone bitches about the cooking discussions. They honestly aren't that frequent, and given Shirou's considerable talent in the kitchen, the focus on food makes some sense.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the reason FSN and Tsukihime are so popular is simply because they are the only VNs translated in english that goes for the whole "epic" genre.
Aka boy who get power and fight increasingly strong enemies, with a big setting surrounding it.
It's pretty simple but it has always worked, that's why shonen are so popular.

Utawarerumono and Aselia would be about as much popular if they weren't gameplay focused, battles being narrated is very important to give the "epic" feeling.

I guess it will even out with Alt and all the Nitroplus that will come out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118978
>of an over-powered protagonist fighting vampire serial killers
>Shiki
>Overpowered

[Anonymous No.]

In my mind, Tsukihime was great. I didn't mind the dated artwork because the story more then made up for it.

I just started FSN and I already hate Shirou.
I can't help but cheer every time Kotomine plays his strings.
The pacing gets on my nerves too.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't played FS/N. But after playing Tsukihime, I really don't want to.

[Angry Type-Moon Fan !MOONRXwPDU No.]

>>5118995
Saber is basically a Blonde Hisui
Rin is Twintailed Akiha
Sakura is inferior Kohaku

[Anonymous No.]

I think Tsukihime has better girls and a more interesting backstory, but I think Fate has way better guys all around and I'm one of the apparent few who likes Shirou more than Shiki.

If Fate looked and sounded the same they'd be about equal but as it stands I like Fate just a little bit more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118990
They are popular in Japan too, so your point goes nowhere.

[Anonymous No.]

Was finally going to get around to reading Bungaku Shoujo, only to find that it's been long since removed from Baka-Tsuki.

Not likely, but does any kind anon have it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119009
Not really, no
>>5118995
...That makes little sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118988
Most Type Moon fans only care about fighting and power levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118978
>fighting vampire serial killers with female Edward Cullen.

Arcueid is the most powerful and perfect being on Earth, she stands on top of all living things. You can't compare her with other vampires. Plus, she is not even a vampire, she is a Fairy. For the Burial Agency even ORT is a vampire. In Plus Disk it was already stated that Sacchin's route is the only TRUE vampire route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119017
They are popular for different reasons.
Tsukihime was popular because it was a great doujin released back in 2000.
It was a pretty big VN for its time, its popularity is completely deserved.

FSN was popular because it managed to attract lots of people who normally don't play VNs thank to its great marketing.
In the end the core eroge fanbase isn't that big, those who manage to get popular are the companies that attract outsiders.
Same reason for Key or August (which has Kadokawa's huge support).

[Alexander Degtyarev !!U9Xis6E7fDA No.]

>>5118908
if you or anyone else on /jp/ is to be believed nobody is pure. in a twisted kinda way, sakura actually was.

>>5118938
>She's shit because the game tries to make you feel sorry for her, but it fails miserably. She's bland and uninteresting.
It worked for me... then again im not a complete shut-in who's lost all of his emotions.

>>5118951
Then either you read really slowly or your Tsukihime is different from mine...
If you said 2-3 hours i couldve believed you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119009

So? Nasu loves reusing archetypes. Big deal, a lot of writers do this.

Might as well say that Shiki is a less dumb Kokutou and Akiha is Azaka but with more money.

[Angry Type-Moon Fan !MOONRXwPDU No.]

>>5119047
Azaka was a bro than a ho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119046

To be fair, the game DOES push FEEL SORRY FOR SAKURA DAMN IT WHY AREN'T YOU FEELING SORRY FOR HER just a bit too much.

Only a bit, though.

[Anonymous of Germany !WvzhzxDiIQ No.]

I greatly enjoyed both of them and they each had their ups and downs, but in the end I guess I'd have to settle for Tsukihime. The characters were much more likeably and the story much more gripping.

On the other hand I sense a lot of wasted potential in FSN *cough* Ilya route *cough*, the whole holy grail war part was never really played out properly and there was way too much plot hax in the battles in all routes. e.g. the ways Berserker died always pissed me off. Also it would have helped if the protagonist of the longest route wouldn't have been such a dislikeable character. If done properly it could have exceeded Tsukihime, but I'm not sure anyone could have done it.

[Anonymous No.]

I actually really liked Shirou. Like, he was stupid at times and it was annoying, but it was more of an "Oh Shirou, you so crazy" feeling than genuine annoyance.

Then again I haven't played Tsukihime so I don't really know anything about Shiki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119047
Shiki is also a more jackass jerk than Kokutou. Fucking one liners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119021
Well, Tsukihime was a bit bland for me. It's not something I really got into; the plot felt somewhat silly. I didn't like any of the characters except Arcueid anyway. Shiki was pretty stupid, always questioning obvious things that even I could catch on to.
Most people here find Tsukihime better anyway, so I'd rather not waste my time.

[Angry Type-Moon Fan !MOONRXwPDU No.]

>>5119059
Heaven's feel is Ilya Route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119046

Not really, i read really fast.

Finished Akiha route yesterday, took me 2 days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119046
It must have been a different one than his. Maybe you should go read the real Tsukihime rather than this imaginary one you've read that's 5 hours long.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>5119009
>Saber is basically a Blonde Hisui
What? Hisui doesn't want to receive personal considerations given to a person of the male sex. Saber isn't shy, either. She's just ignorant. Hisui isn't ignorant (about how men and women act together), just shy.

>Rin is Twintailed Akiha
That makes even less sense than the last comparison, even in the stereotypical archetype comparison: Akiha is a rich ojou-sama with severe personal complexes who loves her brother a bit too much, while Rin is a very poor woman that wants to be seen as being the model, perfect young girl, but sucks horribly at it on a personal level and has bisexual issues.

>Sakura is inferior Kohaku
Again, on the surface they sound the same, but Kohaku is different. Sakura is angry, while Kohaku isn't angry. Sakura wants everyone else to suffer because she suffered, while Kohaku does what she does because she doesn't have anything else to do. Sakura is corrupted and deranged, while Kohaku is just broken in every way possible.

In other words, Sakura is a useless emo girl, while Kohaku is a seriously fucked up doll. Also, Kohaku succeeds in her plot, while Sakura fails completely~

[Angry Type-Moon Fan !MOONRXwPDU No.]

>It takes about an hour to play trough a Tsukihime path,
I could believe you if it was Kohaku Route.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119075

This falls under "less dumb".

>>5119088

>Sakura is corrupted and deranged

And this is why I love her so.

[Angry Type-Moon Fan !MOONRXwPDU No.]

>>5119088
>Sakura fails completely~

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118990
Not really. I'm not into that type of stuff usually, or even action in general, but I still love Tsukihime and F/SN. They're just great stories with great characters. You're just making excuses because you don't want to believe that people genuinely like Type Moon games. Also don't think of trying to pull the "you only like Type Moon because you haven't played many other VNs" because it's not true, I've played many translated and untranslated eroge.

[Anonymous No.]

I like them both, but I prefer F/SN simply because it feels more polished...mostly. That and the engine works like a charm...mostly.

[Anonymous No.]

Yay! Let's have a tea party!

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119106


BITCH

[Anonymous No.]

>>5119120
The popularity card doesn't really work when you realize what the most popular VNs are, both in the Western and Japanese fandom.
Or for any other media for that matter.

And I never said that FSN was bad or whatever.
But it's a fact that it's the sort of story that attract people and that you won't find much like it in english.

[Alexander Degtyarev !!U9Xis6E7fDA No.]

>>5119058
Well yeah, but that doesnt stop it from working...

either way i wanna supply her with magical energy, if you know what i mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>5118864
>It takes about an hour to play trough a Tsukihime path

ahaha not really.
I'm with >>5118951 here, it takes me a good day to read through just one path.