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5986393 No.5986393 [Reply] [Original]

The face of a ruthless killer.

>> No.5986407
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5986407

Kanon is my husband. Just wanted to tell you.

>> No.5986525

Rika was a killer too ya know.

>> No.5986530

well, thechnically she doesn't kill anyone.

>> No.5988674

>>5986525
who did Rika ever kill?

>> No.5988695

>>5988674
Wasn't there an arc where she ran around killing everyone?

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5988814

This is the face of a ruthless killer.

>> No.5988831

>>5988695
No.

>> No.5988910

>>5988814
Where is she from?

>> No.5988957

>>5988910
Musume Shimai by Runesoft.

>> No.5988969

>>5988910
The most fapable game in all history. Get your own daughters pregnant.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>> No.5988974

>>5988969
Reported for /b/.

>> No.5988998
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>>5988974
He got the first two sentences right, at least. Perhaps we should more gently remonstrate what he was doing wrong?

>> No.5989058

>>5988674
Her mother.

>> No.5989234

>>5989058
she had to ;__:

>> No.5989496

>>5989234
It was her punishment.

>> No.5989683

>>5989496
ffffffff thats why i hate rei, hanyuu is too full of herself

>> No.5989956

>>5989683
Considering what a bitch she becomes as Bernkastel, I think it was justified.

>> No.5989983

>>5989956
The Umineko Bernkastel doesn't have anything to do with Rika.

>> No.5990179

>>5989983
um, aside of being...em..practically her?

>> No.5990259

>>5989956
yeah, first endure 1000 years of tortures, and then we'll tell you to kill your mom and if you succed maybe the you will be qualified to judge if it was fair or not. maybe.
and besides Rika isnt responsible for Bern's actions

>> No.5990481

>>5990259
Having Rika kill her mother was how Hanyuu stopped Rika from becoming Bernkastel. Bernkastel was inevitably born anyway, but Rika rejected her and did not end up like her.

>> No.5990524

>>5990481
Bernkastel was born way before that... and by the way, i think rika's rejection was one of the things that caused her to end up being the way she is.

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>>5990481
I knew that Hanyuu did that to Rika to make her cherish her mother again. After so many deaths and failures, it was eventual that Rika would stop caring about the saving the world, or even her own mother. However, your theory is pretty interesting, I never thought about it like that.

>> No.5990565

>>5990524
Bernkastel and Rika were the same being up until that point. When Rika rejected Bernkastel, they became separate entities; one lived out the happy ending that the other never achieved.

>> No.5990609
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>>5990565
well, they werent exactly the same being

>> No.5990618

>>5990179
Higurashi had real parallel worlds as opposed to being a series of fictional stories within the setting. Bern does not exist in Umineko but was real in Higurashi.

>> No.5990641

>>5990609
Well yeah, they aren't the same, but Bernkastel still came from Rika. Or rather, all the Rikas who were killed in the various kakera.

>> No.5990646

>>5990609
Read Minagoroshi-hen. In case you don't want to, know that the anime was more accurate than the manga in that scene. Bern and Rika are not separate in the VN in that scene.

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>>5990609
>>5990641

Also, Discode(ED size) just popped up on my media player. Hm.

>> No.5990655

>>5990618
yeah right
just because there are "gameboards" in Umineko which are being played doesnt mean the higher lyers are fictional as well

>> No.5990675

>>5990655
Hell, if you want to argue it, you could claim that none of it matters because Hachijou Touya herself is fictional, being a character in one of Ryukishi07's works. So in the end it's all fictional. But what's the point? Who cares if Hachijou Touya is the author of everything we've seen in Umineko? It's still "real", for a given value of realness.

>> No.5990693

>>5990655
>>5990675
Here's a thought. We know Hachijou Touya wrote everything from Episode 3 on.

But what about the TIPS?

>> No.5990698

>>5990675
because im tired of hearing "NOTHING MATTERS THIS IS ALL FICTION!!!111111111 " as a universal answer to everything in umineko after ep6

>> No.5990711

>>5990655
So what you are saying is that you don't think that the meta-worlds are part of the writings of the culprit and Hachijou Touya and thus made up? What makes you think otherwise?

>> No.5990727

>>5990698
The point is to try and figure out the truth about what took place from a series of fictional portrayals of the events on the island. That doesn't make what we've seen any more real though.

>> No.5990773

>>5990711
well, Higurashi wasnt made up and they are set in the same universe
i also think that the existance of Tohya contradicts a lot of previously presented things...

>> No.5990778

>>5990773
Why do you think they're in the same universe?

Higurashi is simply a mystery novel in Umineko.

>> No.5990826

>>5990778
and Tomitake is only a brand of t-shirts? Yes, Battler mentioned reading Higurashi, but it felt only like a wink to the fans, not actual serious business

>> No.5990830

>>5990698
It's fiction, but it still matters.

>> No.5990856

>>5990826
And you think they're in the same universe? Why?

>> No.5990859

>>5986393

I wish to pinch her nose...but she doesn't have one.

Then I shall settle for her cheeks.

>> No.5990884

>>5990778
Higurashi is also a mystery novel in Higurashi.

>> No.5990902

>>5990856
because Bern and Lambda took a part in Higurashi, and in both of them universe consists of the sea of kakera's. there are also smaller things like the presence of Okonogi, or Ange's and shions school, etc
and obviously they are both the part of one series, why wouldnt they share the same world?
thats what i believe

>> No.5990913

>>5990884
No it wasn't. Oishi and Akasaka simply assembled a collection of theories and evidence based on what they discovered in Himatsubushi-hen.

>> No.5990937

>>5990541

Rei isn't canon.

I understand Rika is well loved, but none of the weird shit people come up with as to why she isn't Bern actually comes from any canon source material.

The only thing we have that's canon is a bunch of stuff making it very unlikely she's not Rika. The "sum of a thousand failed Rikas" thing is a fan theory too. So much of the later Umineko eps doesn't make sense if she isn't Rika.

But there may be some BS reason why she became so evil, Super Hinamizawa syndrome or something.

>> No.5990947

>>5990902
ΛΔ never appears in Higurashi. Interpreting Higurashi as a battle between witches can only happen if you are viewing it through the lens of Umineko. There is no evidence for it in Higurashi itself.

And the sea of kakera in Hiurashi is different from the metaworld in Umineko. Rika/Bern was by herself there and there was nothing else in it

>> No.5990950

>>5990937
Except Rei is canon. Where did you get the idea that it wasn't?

>> No.5990958

>>5990937
when did Ryukishi ever say Rei isnt canon?

>> No.5990959

>>5990937
Why do you think Rei isn't cannon? And Rika is Bern; it's simply that the Bern in Umineko is a reference to Higurashi, just as there is an Okonogi in Umineko who obviously can't be the same person.

>> No.5990965

>>5990950

It's a fan disc.

>> No.5990970

>>5990965
Sir, I do believe that you are not aware as to what a fandisk is.

>> No.5990982

>>5990970

Well; the Tsukihime one wasn't canon :/

Either way I don't think the actual Rei disc says much about the Rika/Bern relationship in the way people are saying. I don't know where the collection of failed rikas thing comes from.

>> No.5990988

>>5990947
But that doesnt matter if she doesnt physically appear, she is behind the scenes, you have a lot of hints, even without looking at it as a "witchs game", And i never said meta world is the sea of kakera's, i just said it is in both of them

>> No.5990995

>>5990988
Can you provide us with some of that evidence pointing to her then?

>> No.5991010

>>5990982
> Well; the Tsukihime one wasn't canon :/
Len is canon. Certain events described are canon for various endings. Backstory given is canon.

The fandisk itself was just a vehicle for delivering that information that expands on the Tsukihime world, as well as being for a bit of fun.

>> No.5991025

>>5990995
lol, like...Miyo's name and appearance or the fact that Lambda's diary depict a girl that wanted to become a god which she decided to help? i dont know..

>> No.5991046

>>5991025
That's all based on information from Umineko, not Higurashi. Why does Takano never mention the witch she supposedly made a deal with?

>> No.5991054

>>5991046
because she thinks its god that is helping her, not a witch

>> No.5991066

>>5991025
Takano doesn't look like Lambda. What are you smoking?

>> No.5991068

>>5991054
She sees herself fighting against god.

>> No.5991072

>>5991066
Takano looks exactly like Lambda what are YOU smoking?

>> No.5991083

Ah, the retcon.

The Hobbit never mentioned anything about Sauron!

>> No.5991090

>>5991083
lol, true dat

>> No.5991097
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So, since that's the only umineko related thread alive I'll ask here.

The legend of the witch was created thanks to Yasu's pranks + portrait of Beatrice II, so, how come Natsuhi had the same imaginary friend 19 years ago? Was that ever explained? My memory is kina blurry.

Is Beatrice the default imaginary friend in Rokkenjima?

>> No.5991110

>>5991090
LotR kept a good chunk of the cast and the same setting. The fact Okonogi appears in Umineko shows that Ryukishi isn't afraid of having characters from his previous works make cameos without being the same.

Hell, Ciel appears in Higurashi but nobody has said that Tsukihime and it are in the same universe.

>> No.5991113

>>5991097
Natsuhi did not have a Beatrice imaginary friend 19 years ago. She had her in about 1984.

>> No.5991121

>>5991110
Uhh, someone didn't play Ep 6. Remember Amakusa was talking about some secret plan? It was with Okonogi and, well, only THAT Okonogi can do secret bitches plans. Remember what he did in Higurashi? (what I'm trying to say is that a cameo can't have such an important role)

>> No.5991122

>>5991113
1985 actually.

>> No.5991127

>>5991110

It's still kind of irrelevant; the point was that nobody knew the significance of the ring, there were no real clues to it's true nature, just as there were no real clues as to what was happening in Higurashi.

Actually, Higurashi had more; with Frederika's presence. There was obviously something a bit more going on.

>> No.5991130

>>5991110
but Ciel and Tsukihime arent the part of the same series, and why do you think that its not the same Okonogi who was just leading a different life in the kakera of Umineko kakera? thats also possible way to interpret that

>> No.5991133

>>5991121
>>5991110

Yeah, a lot of people wrote it off as a cameo but it's pretty obviously significant now. Not to mention Auau appeared in the same ep.

It's When They Cry 3/4 for a reason.

>> No.5991136

>>5991121
So you are saying that the same character appears in both works? I am curious for you to explain how that is possible.

>> No.5991158

>>5991127
There's no reason to think there was a hidden significance to her. The only role Rika/Bern plays in Higurashi is moving between worlds/providing commentary to the reader.

>>5991133
Are you saying Featherine is Hanyuu?

>> No.5991160

>>5991122
btw, still, werent Krauss, Eva etc all aware of the legend of Rokkenjima witch that lives in the woods when they were all children?

>> No.5991168

>>5991136
Duh. It's the real world, remember? Not the meta. Okonogi is Okonogi. It has the same look. The same personality. The age he is in the sprite matches with the year (1998 and Higurashi took place in 1983. Don't have a exact number but it matches if you use logic). It's not a cameo because he seems to be ploting something with Amakusa, and cameo wouldn't do that. And again, it's Okonogi in every way

Any doubts?

>> No.5991178

I think people are missing the point that Umineko is a mystery in Umineko...

Auau probably wrote Higurashi just like she wrote about the Rokkenjima mystery.

Also, I think people are maybe missing the mark on Auau "writing" episode 3 onwards. I think it could be more she has a way of seeing what's happening in the meta verse and writes her interpretation of it, rather than the games we play actually being "written" by her literally.

If that's true, then that's probably how Higurashi ends up as a book in the Umineko verse. Either way Okonogi clearly has a much bigger role.

>> No.5991179

>>5991158
> Are you saying Featherine is Hanyuu?
Yes. Also, Hachijou Touya is really Asumu. Therefore, Rudolf fucked a god.

http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/4296819

>> No.5991182

>>5991160
Yes, which is what Kinzo used to keep them away from the second mansion.

>> No.5991190

>>5991182
Now that I think about it, in Leon's world wasn't it just the wolf story? What happened to the witch story there?

>> No.5991197

>>5991190
He told them both to be sure that they don't go near... right? (I haven't played episode 7 yet)

>> No.5991198

Convert his initials to numbers. Add them up. What do you get? 18?
18 = 3 times 6 = 666

Antichrist.

>> No.5991206

>>5991168
The ages don't really match. Okonogi is probably in his 30s to 40s in Higurashi. He doesn't look older in Umineko despite it taking place 15 years older.

And my point is that it isn't the same person, just as the Bern in Umineko isn't the same as the one in Higurashi.

>> No.5991209

>>5991198

That number keeps coming up.

17,18,19 in general keep recurring.

>> No.5991210

>>5991136
well, there are the same people in all Kakera's right? their character/background can only change, so its possible for okonogi from that kakera to never join military and instead work for some big company
Alternatively, maybe its the very same Okonogi that worked in yamainu, but left it and now works with Hideyoshi There is a three years time span between Umineko and Higurashi, its als opossible

>> No.5991212

>>5991190
In Lion's world the Beatrice legend died once Lion was accepted. Kinzo instead dedicated his time to making sure Lion was raised well. He had no longing for Beatrice because Lion was Beatrice.

>> No.5991218

>>5991206

Why is it When They Cry 3 then?

If it was just a spiritual sequel, why do new "versions" of the characters play such a huge role?

But at the same time those "versions" of the characters aren't like, Ultimate Marvel or something, they seem to be evolutions of older ones.

It just makes no sense for them to be separate characters.

>> No.5991225

>>5991179
This reminds me of the people "deducing" that Hanyuu is the evil mastermind of Higurashi because of Featherine's similarity despite the fact we have access to her thoughts in the VN and know that she honestly is trying to help Rika live a full life.

Ryukishi is simply making references to his previous works.

>> No.5991227

>>5991206
Then the Okonogi in Umineko in a witch?! *facepalm*

Listen, if he was in his 40s, let's say he had 42, then adding 15 years would be 57. I've seen lots of people with appearance at that age and remember Ryu is not the best artist out there; maybe he didn't manage to portray it well

>> No.5991228

>>5991206
wat? his age is never stated he could be very well 35 in Higu and 50 in Umineko and btw all the milfs are between 30-50 too, thats not any evidence if it comes to Ryukishi's art

>> No.5991238

>>5991227
Yes, he is. Don't forget that he weighs as much as a duck.

That character has a different job and could have had a different appearance and name without affecting the story. Ryukishi made him look the same as a reference to higurashi. There's no deeper significance to his appearance. If you think there is, then please explain it.

>> No.5991251

>>5991238
I'm explaning it to you. Not even Ryu would make a reference like that. Tell me, after the humilliation Okonogi went through in Higurashi, do you really think he would stay working in whatever job he has in Higurashi? If I were him, I'd quit

>> No.5991263

>>5991251
So you think that Higurashi and Umineko are in the same world and Okonogi simply changed careers?

>> No.5991268

I just came across this thread and had to mention that the people trying to tie Higurashi and Umineko together is doing a terrible job at it.

Assumptions and personal opinions aren't exactly proper argument material, not in the face of actual evidence.

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Not only does this episode deny Shkanontrice, but Kyrie is the culprit and b0mb is real? Best. Episode. Ever.

>> No.5991289

>>5991268
First of all, you shut up.

Second, it's like denying that Bernkastel has connections to Rika (not that she is her. She said it herself right?). The evidence is right in front of you just thinking about it for a moment. A cameo wouldn't have such a major role

>> No.5991292

>>5991268
Tell me what evidence is there to deny connections to Higurashi and we'll stop

>> No.5991313

>>5991289
Rika also says she's not Rika in Tsumihoboroshi-hen, so there's no reason to think the being is the higher dimension is a different being:

"I have lived a long time in this world but .........this is the first that someone has noticed that I am not Rika. I’ve always thought you were a perceptive one ever since we first met, but......... well done. giggle giggle giggle..."

Rika/Bern simply means she's different from the original Rika that existed in that world before she possessed her.

>> No.5991316

>>5991289
>it's like denying that Bernkastel has connections to Rika
Depends on which Bernkastel you're talking about.

>A cameo wouldn't have such a major role
That fits nicely in the whole "assumption and personal opinion" part that I just mentioned.

>> No.5991321

>>5991268
ahaha, yeah right, cool story bro

>> No.5991328
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>>5991277
Are you retarded? The are whole chapters about explaining Shkanontrice

>> No.5991330

But there's still no proof. An assumption is more evidence than just denying

>> No.5991333

>>5991292
You are asking us to prove a negative. You should be proving that there is a connection.

In any case, the stuff from Hirurashi and Umineko simply don't fit. For example, Episode 6 establishes a different origin story for the Umineko Bern compared to Rika. She was said to have been the piece of a witch that was trapped due to a logic error. Even if we were to accept that Higurashi and Umineko share the same universe, as opposed to Ryukishi simply putting Higurashi references in Umineko which is what I think is the case, Rika is the detective of Higurashi. She represents the human side, so how could she have been a witche's piece that got caught in a logic error?

Ryukishi is simply making references to his previous works as red herrings.

>> No.5991338

>>5991316
no, its YOU who are assuming that they doesnt share any ties, despite the evidence given. just stop

>> No.5991348

>>5991328
I can accept Shkanon if s/he is not the culprit, actually. Just an explanation to the number of people in island. But the theory was about telling Shkanon was the culprit so it failed

>> No.5991354

>>5991333
lol, yes, the logic error was her neverending resurrection, thats not different origin that stated

>> No.5991356

>>5991328
Yeah and R07 would reveal the answer in the second last episode when BERN IS THE FUCKING GAMEMASTER amirite? Not to mention Lion who is Beatrice exists with Shannon and Kanon in the same world.. oh man. Shkanonfags have been trolled hard. Can't wait for episode 8.

>> No.5991358

>>5991338
Demanding that the other person stops talking? Nice debating skills.

Ryukishi is simply making references to his previous work. They aren't the same setting. As another example, if its the same universe how do you reconcile Featherine and Hanyuu? Other than some design details and speech patters the two are completely different.

>> No.5991363

Nobody solves the epitaph -> Shkanontrice is the killer.

Adults solve the epitaph -> Kyrie kills everyone for the credit card money.

>> No.5991369

>>5991356
Bern is not the gamemaster.
There is not even a game going on when Shkanontrice is explained. Bern game will start in episode 8.

>> No.5991372

>>5991354
Except Rika wasn't trapped in a never-ending cycle. Hanyuu was about to run out of power and thus Rika would have permanently died if she failed in Matsuribayashi-hen. Hanyuu's gradual power loss meant that this cycling couldn't have continued forever, unlike the witches' logic errors in Umineko.

>> No.5991379

>>5991338
Why would I need evidence to show that two things aren't related? Do I need to show evidence to prove that ZUN and R07 aren't actually half-blood siblings separated at birth? The existence of inconsistencies should be enough.

You made the claim, you prove it.

>> No.5991380

>>5991358
lol keep telling yourself that, there is no way you could prove that actually, its you who is interpreting things as you please, you know?

also, there is too little information to discuss Hanyuu/AuAu connection, in other words, devil's proof

>> No.5991388

>>5991379
Like Queen Kittan, they are When they cry 1/2/3/4, there's no way you can deny there's connection without proving anything. Your comparison to R07/ZUN doesn't prove anythign yet.

>> No.5991398

>>5991379
because you are given already the evidence that they are tied, if you want to disprove that you needs contrarguments which you doesnt have, so stop accusing other people of using assumptions if you are no better

>> No.5991405

>>5991380
God, you're trying to debate using the tactics from Umineko. You do realize that when probatio diabolica is invoked the normal response is to reverse the burden of proof, right?

>> No.5991412

>>5991372
and because Rika never failed in Matsuribayashi, you dont know what would happen afterwards, right?

>> No.5991432

>>5991412
The time Rika had was constantly decreasing. Originally she appeared years before her death and in Matsuribayashi-hen she appeared a week ago. If Rika had failed, she might have appeared a day or to beforehand but eventually Hanyuu would have been unable to continue and Rika would have permanently died. Hell, Hanyuu says that herself. What more do you want? Or do you think Hanyuu was lying? If so why?

>> No.5991450

>>5991398
What evidence? All we have are references to Higurashi in Umineko. And the two don't fit since you can't reconcile Hanyuu or Featherine, Bern's backstory in Umineko doesn't exactly match Rika's plight and Umineko is a series of fictional writings instead of a series of parallel worlds like Higurashi.

>> No.5991452

>>5991432
i know all of that. but so what? the point is, you dont know what would happen if Hanyuu "ran out of her power" so you cant be sure that then everything would end

>> No.5991466

>>5991450
the fact that you are viewing all of this complex shit as simple "references" doesnt mean that thats what they are in fact.
also Bern's background matches, thats not my fault you dont want to see that

>> No.5991487

>>5991466
>the fact that you are viewing all of this complex shit as simple "references" doesnt mean that thats what they are in fact.

This right assumption here is the only that thing that you're using to hold up your inane argument. You have to prove that they are actually more than references. Seriously, the man has a whole list of problems with your theory and this is the best response you have?

>> No.5991494

>>5991466
Umineko does not follow from Higurashi. All those alleged Higurashi connections are simple window dressing.

>> No.5991500

>>5991487
It's a classic argument. I'm right, and you are obviously not using your head or you'd see clearly that I am correct. I do not need to provide evidence that I'm right, you need to provide evidence that I am wrong.

>> No.5991504

>>5991363
Except the epitaph must be solved every time.
You know those 4 winchester rifles? They're from the Golden Land. Which means once somebody shows up with one of those the epitaph has already been solved. That and if the epitaph isn't solved Yasu kills everyone with the bomb at 24:00 October 4th, not 5th.

>> No.5991508

>>5991500
Nice reasoning. OK, I hereby claim that Obama is actually a lizardman plotting to subjugate mankind for his reptilian overlords. Prove me wrong or I'm right.

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>>5991500
Ah, the typical internet debate.

>> No.5991510

>>5991487
lulz, why would i tire myself by repeating something that was already repeated countless times in countless discussions and accepted by the majority? its not like somebody will give up on what they believe in and its not like i care. even in this thread there was a lot of evidence provided enaugh to tie both of that works, im not gonna talki withe the wall

>> No.5991512

>>5991509
Internet debates are much better than your average debate in real life which is just a contest of who can raise their voice highest.

>> No.5991516

>>5991512
In 4chan's case, it's usually a contest to see who can actually stay on topic before somebody gives up and starts saging the topic.

>> No.5991537

>>5991508
lol, you doesnt understand, you have never seen Obama plotting to conquer the planet, so you cant make such statement

>> No.5991544

>>5991537
*don't

>> No.5991549

>>5991504
So, the adults solved the epitaph on episode 1, leading to the chain killings that got: Gohda, Kyrie, Rudolf, Rosa, Krauss (the survivor is Yasu, who went on yandere mode after they plotted to kill Battler). Natsuhi knows almost everything but wants to protect the children, she just doesn't know about yasu. Then, the next ones are Eva and Hideyoshi, killed by Yasu too. The same goes through the next twilights.
Episode 2 - Same thing happens, but with the difference of Yasu showing the others he/she already solved the epitaph (gold bars, accepting the witch), killing plot happens and all. Rosa is the survivor this time. She KNOWS about the servants/yasu. Then it goes like EP 1, with a few differences (Jessica had something on it, faking the asthma attack when her parents are dead ?).

>> No.5991551

roflbags when they cry fans on /jp/ are pretty stupid

>> No.5991552

>>5991508
I can't find any evidence that explicitly contradicts your statement! Useless, it's all useless!

>> No.5991561

>>5991537
That doesn't mean he's not trying to.

Can you see now why this is a stupid argument?

>> No.5991566

>>5991549
Yasu isn't supposed to kill people once the epitaph is solved. In the episode 7 tea party when it's solved she just confesses everything, that she was going to kill them, about the bomb, about the guns, about kuwadorian, all that. Then she just sits on the bed until Kyrie kills her.

Eva suspected for a second that when Yasu turned the bomb off she actually turned it on and was just stalling until midnight, but midnight hits and nothing happens, so it really was in the off position. But this means Yasu has the bomb set on the on position at midnight October 4th if nobody solves it.

>> No.5991593

>>5991566
So, that means the epitaph was solved every time. Killings happened and all. But who continued the murders?

>> No.5991602

>>5991593
Whoever solves the epitaph I assume. That's what happens in the episode 7 tea party. It's likely that the victims of the first twilight are the people who found the epitaph but didn't survive.

>> No.5991616

>>5991552
Muda da!

>> No.5991633

>>5991561
no because thats entirely something different and your example has no connection to the discussion

if i were to give example i would make up something like :
there is cup of tea on the table. i know its hot because of the steam and i know it has a slice of lemon in it because i see it. So i know its hot and with slice of lemon. you claim its an ice tea despite all the evidence that lie before you or you simply refuse to even look at it. geez

>> No.5991655

>>5991602
And they still want Battler to remember his "promise", and keep the "illusion of the witch"? Well, shit, those are some nice people

>> No.5991713

>>5991633
Here's a more accurate analogy:

Here we have a thermos bottle with a lid. We don't know what's in it, but you assume that it's coffee because it was coffee yesterday. It was the same bottle on the same table, so obviously that must be it even though we haven't seen inside yet.

>> No.5991745

>>5991633
A more appropriate example would be if the tea had visible ice cubes in it instead of steam.

I've already presented an explanation for the alleged connections as well as things contradicting such an alleged connection.

>> No.5991758

Better example, I just bought a game on steam. It was the same price as the STALKER bundle weekend deal, and I was talking about the deal the other day and I thought I'd try STALKER out, but you don't know what I really bought.

>> No.5991784

>>5991745
no. you. did. not. you just said they are only references because you think they are references. every argument i brought you ignored by saying that they are still only references. you never even considered what im saying because you think you are right. and thats all

>> No.5991814

>>5991549
Let's elaborate on this, then.

Episode 1 - Krauss solved the epitaph, that's why he made that proposal to the siblings. (Krauss knows about Taiwan.) That scene where he shows the gold to Natsuhi is when he tells her the truth. That's why Natsuhi knows about the weapons and Eva doesn't.
But then, during the night, Krauss has the foolish idea of showing the gold to Rudolf, Rosa and Kyrie, after Eva left the room to sleep with her husband. Yasu watched Krauss and Rosa being killed from behind the curtains, and their plans of killing everyone else while Kyrie was smashing their faces, with or without Rudolf.
Yasu snapped out and killed Kyrie, smashing her face together with the other victims. While she was hiding their bodies through the mansion, she was found by Gohda. Gohda was shot and ran to Natsuhi's room to call for help.
Kanon's death was denied. The chain was denied. And Yasu had the master key, making possible the three last killings before Natsuhi.

>> No.5991815

>>5991713
not really, that doesnt make any umineko sense at all, im not claiming Bern is Rika because she looks the same, and i never did

>> No.5991835

>>5991758
wait, wat

>> No.5991928

>>5991758
Seems a pretty good example to me.

>> No.5991999
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Now in crappy unfinished color. Why did I even waste 10 mins of my life on coloring it....

>> No.5992057

>>5991758
so there is Game X and Game Y and they both cost the same
some guy i talked to wanted to buy Game X
he eventually bought one of the games but i cant be sure which even though i know what he wanted?

im not sure if i get it correctly

>> No.5992067

>>5991999
those cats are just too moe <3

>> No.5992087

So Will and Lion won't be in episode 8?

>> No.5992103

>>5992087
Doubtful. They got devoured by >>5991999

>> No.5992108

>>5992057
Yeah, because there's always the possibility that he changed his mind and bought game Y instead. You can only say that it's more likely that he bought game X than game Y.

>> No.5992116

By the way it was STALKER I bought so I guess that settles the issue.

>> No.5992156

>>5992116
lol, i guess xD

>> No.5992293

>>5992087
It's possible, but I'm not sure they'll have a place in what has to be some kind of resolution for the rest of the cast. I think a lot of people are hoping to see them again, though - maybe in some kind of fandisc...

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