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>> No.6276226

He has a really sexy voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA29HFLOADI&feature=related

>> No.6276239

Pretty anti-climatic end of the Lich King
They also shoehorned a shitty reason for why there were still scourge after you killed him. I'm finally sure last time Illidan nearly killed him it was killing part of the scourge (or releasing them in the Forsakens case).

>> No.6276259

>>6276239
wow destroys warcraft lore, newsflash.

I really disliked how smooth his skin is, it should be all deformed and old like it was becoming.

>> No.6276299

>>6276259
>>6276239
None of you know your lore.

>> No.6276313

>>6276299
You wish.

>> No.6276318

Except Touhou even has better lore than Warcarft.

Anything does really.

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>>6276239

Illidan never "nearly killed" Arthas. And even then, Arthas wasn't the Lich King at the time. It wouldn't have mattered.

Oh, and it kind of makes sense. The Scourge is a hivemind. The Zerg just didn't completely disappear when the Overmind was destroyed, they were just really disorganized. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not in line with how the lore works.

Here's loli Lich King.

>> No.6276326

>>6276318
Now that post was just stupid.

>> No.6276329

>>6276318
Warcraft lore is pretty nice and extense actually, but you are simply trolling because you don't have a clue about it.

Warcraft lore is vey similar to Tolkien works in many aspects, especially "early" lore, some things are basically a rip-off.

>> No.6276332

>>6276323
Holy shit, a tripfag who knows their shit? I am impressed.

>> No.6276333
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>>6276323
>>6276323
Yaaay here's Keine'thuzad

>> No.6276339

>>6276329
This, I spent hours realizing just how much lore actually existed in the Warcraft world on the wiki.

>> No.6276340

>>6276329
That means nothing; all fantasy lore that is sufficiently expansive tends to resemble Tolkein in the end.

>> No.6276341

>>6276329

Yeah, just disregard that Arthas watched the trilogy and stole Sauron's architecture in creating Icecrown Citadel.

>> No.6276344

>>6276333
Kel'Thuzad was awesome and a pity naxx ended up being that horrible crap. Probably one of the best characters.

>> No.6276349

>>6276339
It is a goddamn time sink; you can read it for hours.

Then again, I've probably spent over a hundred hours solid reading TVTropes and maybe fifty on Wookiepedia, so maybe its just me and my addiction to wikis.

>> No.6276353

>>6276329
There's a heck of a lot of lovecraftian rip-off in the lore as well, especially seeing as one of the overarching themes seems to be "the old gods did it."

>> No.6276354

>>6276340
If you need a cop out, follow this man's steps.

>> No.6276355

>>6276340

Well, Blizzard doesn't even seem to be trying to hide their influences at this point. By now, Deathwing (someone who was nearly defeated and pushed back) has been brought back due the forces of things akin to Cthulu. The lore is good, but there's very little original things in it, other than the idea that most of the dragons are actually good.

>> No.6276356

>>6276341
That's nothing compared to other things.

For example the Dragon Aspects. It's exactly like Gandalf and the wizards council. EXACTLY. One of them even got corrupted, jesus christ.

>> No.6276364

I saw some pictures somewhere of frostmourne as a loli

>> No.6276372

>>6276356
Having a set of ancient good guys, one of which goes bad, is not something especially rare.

>> No.6276373
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6276373

Really sad to see him dead after all the stuff we've been through in WC3, WC3:TFT and even some in WoW:WotLK.
Good night, sweet prince.
I DON'T WANNA FIGHT ANOTHER GIANT DRAGON FUCKING FUCK

>> No.6276375

>>6276355
Seriously, what's original these days?

>>6276356
>I'm mad blizzard ripped off of some dead guy.

>> No.6276377

/jp/ gets into warcraft discussions sometimes

and what's up with that

I used to play wow but I figured that I was the only one

on /jp/ that is

also, I miss my undead priest ;_;

>> No.6276379

>>6276353
That feel when you see the Eye of C'thun for the first time.

>> No.6276384

>>6276375
Not very much is original these days, but Warcraft is fairly blatant about a lot of it; they even admit it because their work isn't supposed to be taken very seriously.

>> No.6276385

>>6276373
I'm glad this expansions over. To me, it felt like Arthas was just a side quest while the Ulduar shit being the main storyline. I'm looking forward to a lot of the lore being revealed in Cataclysm.

>> No.6276391

>>6276372
Yes I know, but it's really similar.

I'm talking about books other than his Lord of the Rings triology. Warcraft lore is like a edited copy pasta of his books that explain the origin of things. All the wars, events, etc.

>> No.6276392

>WoW
/jp/, I am disappoint.

>> No.6276394

>>6276373
I'm guessing it will be Nozdormu after Deathwing.

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>> No.6276404

>>6276392
>Implying it's a bad game.
>>6276394
Nozdormu isn't out to wipe the world of all life from the face of the planet though. The blue dragon aspect went mad, so you had to kill him.

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Pardon me, infinitely better lore commin' through

>> No.6276413

>>6276408
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahaAH

>> No.6276411

>>6276385
Same for me, Ulduar was more like the real shit than Arthas. I also dislike the concept of something so ancient and connected to the makers being "weaker" than a Orc spirit in a retarded paladin. The whole "Arthas is still alive somehow in the lich king" was disgusting as fuck by the way.
>>6276375
I'm not mad at all, actually. Just pointing it out.

>> No.6276410

Rather than 'new' lore I'm waiting to see which one or two classes will be above all, like at the start of every expansion. Oh god, the tears.

My money is on Warlocks.

>> No.6276407

>>6276392
Except this thread is about Warcraft, and all the flavor of the month MMOs /jp/ likes to play so much are just WoW ripoffs with korean or anime disign. But nice try.

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>>6276356
hrmmm I don't think so

there wasn't a wizard's council in Tolkien's lore but the white council, which included the five wizards and several elven lords

and even though saruman was the only one who was apparently corrupted Radagast was pretty useless because he only cared about nature even though he was charged with protecting the people of middle earth

also two of the dragon aspects were corrupted, not just deathwing

wow lore is pretty stupid and derivative though

I wouldn't have bothered to learn any of it if I didn't spend so much time I was "playing" wow alt tabbed out and browsing wowwiki or something

>> No.6276418

>>6276404
No, just trying to erase important events from history so the whole timeline shatters. Nothing important really.

>> No.6276420

>>6276413
in before the only thing you know about Warhammer lore is the single sentence "GRIM DARK FUTURE WARZZ"

>> No.6276422

>>6276411
Well the difficulty/level differences in bosses that are released over time aren't canon. It's just what comes with MMO's as they evolve over time.

>> No.6276424

>>6276418
It's hinted that he becomes Lord of the Infinite Dragonflight sometime in the far future, and he thinks that sucks ass but he can't do shit about it since he already knows its going to happen.

Also, Maiev was here, all other characters are small time.

>> No.6276428

>>6276415
Malygos was mad, not corrupted. It might be similar, but not the same.

On a side note: "Killing" old gods and elemental lords is just too retarded. We had the "Ragnaros is not at full power" excuse before, but this time he will be down at full power and other elemental lords as well, I just can't accept that.

>> No.6276430

>>6276329
>>Warcraft lore is pretty nice and extense actually

Yeah, those quest text boxes are brilliant. Really sucks you into the game.

Warcraft has always been Disney. Anyways this is the first WoW thread we've had in ages, so I can guess that it was /v/ who has been visiting us all day.

>> No.6276435

>>6276418
I think you're getting the Caverns of Time lore backwards. Nozdormu is trying to prevent bad shit from happening to the timeline because some other dragons are fucking it up.

>> No.6276438

>>6276430
You've lost it, ZUN.

>> No.6276441

>>6276418

We don't know that, but it's assumed that he knows about what he was doing since...well, he has to do it. He has no control over his own future if he is responsible for the Infinites.

Thing is, Nozdormu falls in line with Malygos. Malygos wanted to fix the world by getting rid of all magic...but that would have killed everything. In this case, Nozdormu wants to "fix" the timeline to make a better Azeroth, but the Bronzies of the present don't know that and think that the Infinites will fuck everything up. He's extreme in his methods, but he's not evil. Deathwing, however...

HURR I WANT TO DESTROY THE WORLD

>> No.6276442

>>6276420
I heard that the original warcraft was going to be a warhammer game but they couldn't get the rights to make it so. There's no actual proof however.

>> No.6276443

>>6276430
Oh ZUN!Bar why you have to be so stupid? Please refrain from posting about things you don't know.

>> No.6276448

>>6276428
Yeah, considering the Elemental Lords were supposedly around the same strength as the Titans it's probably going to be stupid.
>>6276430
>Connecting gameplay with lore.
What?

>> No.6276458

>>6276441
inb4 Nozdormu becoming mad and infinities was his creation all along without being aware of it. That would be disgusting.

>> No.6276465
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6276465

know what the worst part about wow lore is?

draeni

seriously in the original warcraft the draeni were supposed to be extinct, and they were also supposed to be extremely evil

so evil in fact that they were the ones that corrupted what's his name the titan

then the blizz team was thinking about a new ally race, and instead of going with the bear people like everyone thought they would, like they SHOULD have, they decided to completely retcon the whole Draeni thing, and make the exactly like the protoss from starcraft, what with the blue skin and face tendrils and fucking spaceships powered by energy crystals

spaceships with energy crystals do not belong in wow fuck's sake

the draeni are so out of place blizz doesn't even know what to do with them anymore, there weren't any important draeni npcs or quests for wrath and there aren't going to be any for cata

not even for shaman quests, though are all going to the dwarves now

>> No.6276471

>>6276465
I lol'd. Obvious troll is obvious.

>> No.6276480

>>6276465
But they are incredibly hot.

>> No.6276482

>>6276458
I sort of assumed that Nozdormu was driven mad by the knowledge of his impending death, and the whole infinites escapade is his way of trying to prevent that.

>> No.6276476

>>6276465
I haven't really been following, but when Worgen were announced as a new race I blinked and said what the fuck is with all these races crawling out of the woodwork.

>> No.6276473

>>6276448
Not just that, Elemental Lords are part of nature, just like old gods are part of azeroth and its "nature". They are Chaos itself, it can't be extinct. I like to think Old Gods can't be killed but only silenced for some time, however their "spirits" are eternal and don't belong to the Nether or any other plane and that's how they keep whispering on people's ears.

>> No.6276489

>>6276473
I took it as if the Titans killed most of the Old Gods and the ones that survived were imprisoned.

>> No.6276494

>[important lore character] has gone mad, slay him!
>OH MY GOD SO EPIC, BLIZZARD DID IT AGAIN!
WoW lore and its fanbase in a nutshell.

>> No.6276497

>>6276443
Hard to take /v/ Anon seriously when he mentions reading TVtropes for over 100 hours.

Things don't look in his favor at all. I mean I've played all these games too, so I know all this stuff as well. It's Disney.

And how is WoW lore "better" than Type-Moon or Touhou lore then?

>> No.6276504

>>6276465
Since someone brought this up, I remember blizzard saying about the Pandaren race. Apparently not creating it because Pandas are sacred animals in China and since they have a LOT of chinese players it could end up being bad with all the chinese stupidity of censorship. (if you can't even have skeletons in your game how can you accept humanoid pandas being beaten around?)

>> No.6276506

>>6276476
Worgen are basically just Lycanthropes.
>>6276494
You're going to need new material if you're going to troll.

>> No.6276507

>>6276497
Wiki addict here, I only made two posts in this thread, not counting this one.

>>6276497
It's substantially more expansive. Also a little grittier in parts.

>> No.6276511

>>6276497
Careful Zun, your butthurt is showing.

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>>6276471
no dammit

>>6276476
that's something else. they got the furries because allys need an ugly race

well what about the bear people?

seriously they were perfect. they have shamans, they have cities, they have their own language, and they were ugly animal people, which apparently the alliance needed

also they were already allied with the night elves

blizz could have opened up a part of hyjal to be their home zone, maybe make their capital part of that giant tunnel system or the big fort in azshara

and it wouldn't have been hard to tie them in with outland somehow, especially if they were placed in hyjal near the moonwell

>> No.6276514

>>6276504
Amusingly enough, I heard that they didn't want to put them in because they were too "Disney", so apparently they were trying to avoid whatever Zun thinks they're doing wrong.
I never understood the problems with things being "Disney". After all disney cartoons are probably more entertaining than most things on television nowadays.

>> No.6276524

>>6276497
Just give up zun, I'm not wasting my time feeding you with a spoon. Just go ahead and keep your demonstration of mental illness. And I never said it was "better", I said it was pretty extense (something TM and Touhou is not, since you are insisting so much) especially considering other games.

>> No.6276526

>>6276514
Probably because a lot of WoW lore is grimdark and putting the two together sometimes makes for a schizophrenic universe.

>> No.6276547

I'm surprised this thread went so well. I was expecting massive trolling to commence when I saw it. I'll let it die now before more show up.

>> No.6276550

>>6276513
Well, maybe one day you will have your Pandas as a neutral NPC race. But you will never play with them, I'm sure of that.

>> No.6276569

>>6276547
Agreed. I am impress /jp/.

>> No.6276573

>>6276550
Pretty sure he was talking about furbolgs.

>> No.6276580

>>6276550
not the pandas, the bear people

ur-something I think they're called

and I've never played ally anyway

>> No.6276588

>>6276573
>>6276580
Ohhhh. The Ursa.

Yeah, they would fit nicely in the Alliance.

>> No.6276611

>>6276588
>>6276573
yah ursa/furblogs whatever

seriously they were perfect for the alliance

it just blows my mind that blizz went with the whole draeni retcon thing

seriously what were they thinking? almost everyone hates the draeni

when the new servers came out with BC there was like a 10 to 1 proportion of people who chose to roll as blood elves as opposed to the protoss space goats

>> No.6276619

Let's see what I can pick apart here.

>>6276448

The Elemental Lords are significantly weaker than the Titans. The Old Gods are on par with them, not the Elemental Lords. That and they've been sealed up for so long that their power's waned...which is why we were able to roflstomp Ragnaros way back in 1.X.

>>6276435

Nope! That's his mate who's working against the Infinites. Part of the WotLK stuff in helping Chromie was that they had no idea where Nozdormu is, he just disappeared and never came back. He's not dead, but just missing.

If he created the Infinites, then he's completely sane. Malygos was never driven insane, he was completely aware of what he was doing and thought he was right...and he was. But his plans interfered with life existing, so the Reds had to step in. With the Infinites, Nozdormu (if he's behind it) knows what he's doing and isn't mad. He's either trying to lead people to kill him because that's how he's supposed to die or he really believes he can help Azeroth by sending Infinites back to change the timeline so that things like the Lich King Arthas no longer exist in the current time.

>> No.6276627

>>6276465

Okay, you have several things wrong. First, the Draenei were retconned into being good guys. They weren't extinct, they existed as "Lost Ones" and helped Illidan take the Black Temple. The retcon was pretty harsh, but it made sense to have a major force with a personal touch against the Burning Legion.

Now, for your history lesson and what you got wrong. Sargeras was corrupted by the Nathrezim (Dreadlords/vampire guys), not the Eredar. He FOUND the Eredar and sought out their three leaders: Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, and Velen. Archimonde and Kil'jaeden, along with most of the Eredar race, sided with Sargeras because they didn't know he was evil at the time. Velen had some sort of sight and knew the true motives behind Sargeras and his proposal, and led any Eredar who would listen away from Argus...and were pretty much hunted down like dogs until coming to Azeroth.

>> No.6276628

All I know is that the Horde reeks of evil. All their quests are downright connected to some nefarious, cruel plot about killing farmers and innocent townfolk.

Hell, they even kill those of their own trying to prevent their own downfall.

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>>6276619
>roflstomp
>>>/v/

>> No.6276646

>>6276628

Well, Garrosh is a bit extreme, but the main thing about the Horde is that they're savages. The Alliance is no better, since they're incredibly proud.

Oh, a note on the Old God thing: Only one of them was actually killed by Titans. There are around 5. If they die, the planet goes with them. They've pretty much bound their life force onto the stability of the planet. If they're killed, everything dies. If they're imprisoned, they're out of the way and the planet gets to live.

>> No.6276648

>>6276524
>>I said it was pretty extense (something TM and Touhou is not

OK, this sounds like /v/ fanboys being fanboys in /jp/. Basically what I was aiming to establish ITT really.

I was reading up on Cataclysm last night; Warcraft lore isn't "better" or more expansive than any other long running series.

People might think it is though, because they've invested 500 hours into WoW and who knows how much money into it. I forget the term for that at the moment (something entitlement). So it guess it's time to check Google.

>> No.6276660

>>6276643

I was making a point. For being an elemental lord, he was ridiculously easy to "kill" (banish). He was the first raid boss, and even a little lich like Kel'thuzad was more powerful than him.

Anyway, someone post more Touhou/Warcraft hybrids. All I had was Arthas Momiji.

>> No.6276663

>>6276628
What the fuck am I reading.jpg

I can agree on that for Forsaken quests, but not the whole horde. That's clearly the point of view from someone who never played horde at all, if you think they are evil I have sad news for you because the alliance is just as evil as the horde is in the alliance eyes.

>>6276619
I remember reading that it was pretty much stated that Malygos was mad after being beaten by Deathwing, of course that can be interpretation of the other aspects but I don't think it's worth getting into that kind of thing like "from X's perspective"

>> No.6276667

>>6276648

Hey, I like Blizzard's poor excuse for lore and continuity. I also like ZUN's poor excuse.

>> No.6276667,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>6276648
Hahaha oh god you seriously think WoW lore is just in-game text? Because that's what you are implying there, you actually read lore you should know. "Other long running series" please specify. If you are going to say TM and Touhou then no, the lore is not even near the size of wow lore. Because wow has way too many "branches" compared to TM or Touhou.

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