What do you hate about Sharin no Kuni? I hated the cliche where every character had to play a role in the ending. Like Touka's mom doesn't even give a shit that she could die? She just leaves her to Ken?

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Anonymous Sat Nov 13 03:41:45 2010 No.6440954 [Reply] [Original]

What do you hate about Sharin no Kuni?
I hated the cliche where every character had to play a role in the ending.
Like Touka's mom doesn't even give a shit that she could die?
She just leaves her to Ken?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 03:46:45 2010 No.6440969 File: 82 KB, 800x600, 1250236846301.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Natsumi. Goddamn, she was pretty lame. And Sachi's voice. All that being said it's my second favorite VN ever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 03:49:45 2010 No.6440976 >>6440969 I loved Natsumi as a loli. Yeah I guess she had a hard life but I still hated her. I liked the VN too.

Anonymous Sat Nov 13 03:52:45 2010 No.6440979

Those stupid twists towards the end, you know, the fake cripple thing and the drug addiction act. Fucking ridiculous.

Also, although I usually enjoy bashful heroines, Natsumi is insufferable. All those overdrawn flashbacks in her route didn't help either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 03:54:45 2010 No.6440983 Frequently throughout the VN when Ken would point out that Touka had said "I'll murder you" everyone looked at him like he was crazy. Did they ever explain taht?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 03:56:45 2010 No.6440986 >>6440976 It goes: Ririko > Natsumi loli > Touka > Sachi >> shit >> Natsumi I couldn't stand when he would talk to her and she wasn't listening.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 03:57:45 2010 No.6440991 >>6440969 What's your favorite VN?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 03:59:45 2010 No.6440995 >>6440983 It's because Ririko taught her to say that and everyone is supposed to pretend that Ririko doesn't exist, so that line shouldn't exist either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 04:01:45 2010 No.6441002 >>6440995 Is that seriously the explanation? Ridiculous. You can't forget everything some person taught you or adjust yourself to the way you were before someone influenced you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 04:04:45 2010 No.6441012 >>6441002 No, that's just gag in the game, you don't need to speculate about it seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 04:06:45 2010 No.6441027 I didn't really like the ending. So the main villain or whatever was testing him right up until the very end scene in the cave? And then what? He taught him well? That's it?

Anonymous Sat Nov 13 04:08:45 2010 No.6441038

Sachi pissed me off a lot, especially near to the end of her arc, and Natsumi went from extremely boring to extremely annoying very quickly.

But since I absolutely loved all the other characters, I had no real problem with the rest of the game, not even Ken and Hozuki's bullshit near the end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 04:10:45 2010 No.6441046 >>6441027 Ken's raw determination moved Houzuki so much that he just decided to say "fuck this", threw away his badge, and left. The fandisc expands more on that, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 04:10:45 2010 No.6441047 >>6441027 Read the fandisc to find out Houzuki's motivations. It's supposed to be ambiguous in the main story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 04:19:45 2010 No.6441086 >>6441046 >threw away his badge Houzuki threw away his own badge? I guess I missed that. Yeah I'll read the fandisc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 05:48:45 2010 No.6441542 The ending of Sachi's chapter. Mana willingly leaves to be a servant. It was implied that it included sexual service. The pacing in Touka's chapter.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 05:54:45 2010 No.6441580 I hate that the main character's monologues sounds like he's fucking autistic or something. I could put up with the characters acting retarded but trying to read the MC's stupidly long-winded and awkwardly worded thoughts killed me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 05:58:45 2010 No.6441608 The pacing in Touka's route. Still one of the best translated VN though, it's easy to find flaws for all VNs available translated anyways.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 06:02:45 2010 No.6441625 File: 136 KB, 800x600, 01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone know how to get this end?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 06:06:45 2010 No.6441642 >>6441625 Fail to rescue Natsumi, just like Houzuki failed to rescue Mina. And enjoy becoming like him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 06:08:45 2010 No.6441652 >>6441625 If I recall correctly, that's the Natsume/Ririko BAD END. See: http://editthis.info/anon_vn/Sharin (make the choice after "Save to slot #6"). Basically, don't find Touka.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 06:13:45 2010 No.6441671 >>6441652 >>6441642 Thanks. That's one more step to getting all the CGs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 06:21:45 2010 No.6441701 >>6441608 It's easy to find flaws in ANY visual novel, translated or not. Please do not start with the usual bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 06:26:45 2010 No.6441720 >>6440991 Cross Channel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 06:28:45 2010 No.6441722 >>6441580 Half of those monologue are his conversations with Ririko.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 06:49:45 2010 No.6441777 >>6441580 someone obviously didn't finish the game

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 06:51:45 2010 No.6441788 >>6441722 Half? No way dude, all of them are supposed to be directed at Ririko.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 07:01:45 2010 No.6441811 File: 781 KB, 800x600, cutest_thing_ever.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6440976 >I loved Natsumi as a loli. We all did. Why couldn't she have had H-scenes then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 07:04:45 2010 No.6441822 I like big Natsumi a lot too. I don't get why people dislike her.

Anonymous Sat Nov 13 13:02:45 2010 No.6442815

>>6441822

She goes from merely 'unhelpful and broken', which is a little frustrating if not too unlikeable, to being 'annoyingly cheerful' and making that stupid pose all the time.

It's not a change for the better. Also, her ending really, really sucks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 13:06:45 2010 No.6442828 >>6442815 She just goes back to her previous personality, the one everyone thinks was so damn cute. The only reason people don't think it's cute now is because she isn't a loli.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 13:07:45 2010 No.6442833 >>6442828 Maybe if she didn't act like a child....

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 13:09:45 2010 No.6442844 >>6441722 >>6441788 Poor guy, the loss of his older sister made him delusional enough to "talk" to her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 13:11:45 2010 No.6442850 >>6442815 I like how hilarious she was in the harem end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 13:23:45 2010 No.6442895 >>6442833 All the three cover heroines act like spoiled brats. I was so angry during all of their arcs, but Sachi's was the worst. God damn it was I mad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 14:45:45 2010 No.6443228 >>6441580 >I could put up with the characters acting retarded but trying to read the MC's stupidly long-winded and awkwardly worded thoughts killed me. That's how people sound when they think to themselves. Ever read Catcher in the Rye?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 14:46:45 2010 No.6443235 Everything about it

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 14:49:45 2010 No.6443262 >>6443235 Bro you're so edgy. You didn't even list anything you hated about it. You just said "Everything about it" In fact you're the only one to do so! I want to be like you when I grow up.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 20:19:45 2010 No.6444935 File: 85 KB, 802x600, pleasure.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:03:45 2010 No.6445722 >>6444935 The translators for this remind me of gg fansubs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:11:45 2010 No.6445744 >>6444935 fuck, this inspired me to pick this back up after a lengthy delay Are the H-scenes voiced?

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:11:45 2010 No.6445746 >>6445722 Wait, that's not the real translation? >>6445744 Yes, they're voiced.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:15:45 2010 No.6445754 >>6445746 well fuck, i better get on that then...time to drop clannad once again

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:22:45 2010 No.6445777 >>6445722 "The pleasure of being cummed inside" is NEVER the real translation.

Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:24:45 2010 No.6445788
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Sachi for being a dumb bitch who can't fucking paint to save her sister.
Touka for being annoyingly indecisive.

Natsumi is also not something I would normally like, but I couldn't bring myself to hate her because I'm weak as shit against "I (loved/waited for) you for so long." type of drama.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:25:45 2010 No.6445791 >>6445777 [name txt="Touka"][vo s=tou_2627rrrrr]"C-cum! Cum! Make it overflow...! I want to feel the pleasure of being cummed inside!"[np]\ ;;[name txt="Touka"][vo s=tou_2627rrrrr]"だ、出して、だしてぇ……溢れでるくらぃぃ……！　精液、私のあそこに注いでぇ……っ！"[np]\

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:25:45 2010 No.6445793 >>6445788 Y-your image... it's hilarious...

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:26:45 2010 No.6445800 >>6445791 But. But. It's an in-joke targeted directly at /jp/. You can't tell me that's the best way to translate that line.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:27:45 2010 No.6445801 >>6445791 Japanese to English translation "I, take out, full of Dashitee'm blind ... ... ... Ii! Semen , Damn I poured over there ... Daily!

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:32:45 2010 No.6445812 >>6445800 Literally it just says "cum, cum, I want to overflow with semen, pour your cum in my special place" with a lot of gasping and stuff in between. I think that's a pretty fair translation, if not the strictest.

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:33:45 2010 No.6445814 >>6445791 There's just no good way to translate J-porn lines. "Pour semen into my there....!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Nov 13 23:34:45 2010 No.6445819 >>6445812 ...That isn't the same thing at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 01:06:45 2010 No.6446143 The SnK translation was excellent. One of the best translations for any game available.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 01:08:45 2010 No.6446147 >>6446143 Sure, the localization was funny at times (in fact, quite often), but honestly, did they REALLY think 'rapist' was a good way to render 'hentai'? 'Pervert' would have been fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 01:10:45 2010 No.6446150 >>6446147 But hentai is a much stronger word than pervert

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 01:17:45 2010 No.6446167 >>6446150 'Rapist' has even WORSE connotations, though. Besides, Ken never rapes anyone due to being a beta around women. He's just, you know, a pervert ....which is why she should be calling him such.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 01:17:45 2010 No.6446169 >>6446150 Yeah, but rapist has a different meaning.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 01:22:45 2010 No.6446180 >>6445788 BFFFFFFFFTTAHAHAHAHHAHAHA Fucking saved so hard.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 01:31:45 2010 No.6446203 >>6445788 I guess I'm the only one who doesn't find this picture funny. Maybe their is something I am missing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 01:39:45 2010 No.6446240 >>6446203 I can imagine Ken making that exact face so it's a little entertaining. The worst part was all the women. All of them. The VN would be perfect if it was the adventures of Ken and Houzuki.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 02:06:45 2010 No.6446337 >>6446240 Screw you, Ririko was a god-tier heroine, and Isono was a total bro. But yeah the girls really did little else other than bring the game down.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 02:11:45 2010 No.6446348 >>6446337 Make it Ken and Isono vs Houzuki then. Ririko can go be invisible. She was kinda stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 02:41:45 2010 No.6446453 >>6446348 Touka is possibly the only tsundere I like. Also Ririko was awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 02:47:45 2010 No.6446465 >>6446453 >Touka is possibly the only tsundere I like. She's more of a classic tsundere than the usual heroine, is why. And yes, Ririko really is the best.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 02:47:45 2010 No.6446467 >>6446465 Her tsun was mild and her dere was adorable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 02:51:45 2010 No.6446479 >>6446143 acatisfinetoo.jpg

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 02:52:45 2010 No.6446480 >>6446467 She's even adorable when giving blowjobs. You can't say that about just any heroine....

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 02:52:45 2010 No.6446482 >>6446479 Do you have that cap?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 02:54:45 2010 No.6446484 >>6446467 >たまには、ここで寝てもいいんだよ HNNNNNNNNNG

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 04:10:45 2010 No.6446686 There was a rumor about a SnK anime. What's the word on that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 04:47:45 2010 No.6446809 >>6446686 Apparently Looseboy doesn't want his baby adapted. Sad, that. It's one of those VNs that could really benefit from such a thing. Ken would actually have a voice!

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 04:51:45 2010 No.6446820 >>6446809 You must be retarded. What are they gonna do when they are animating Ken talking to Ririko or any scene with Ririko following Ken? Show Ken talking to a black figure and use shitty angle to hide Ririko? You must be retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 05:01:45 2010 No.6446856 >>6446820 You have no creativity. You can make it work.

Anonymous Sun Nov 14 05:09:45 2010 No.6446893

>>6446820

Camera angles, yeah. Just use really, really fuckweird camera angles, and have Ken appear to be addressing all his comments directly to the viewers, like how the game does it.

Hell, you can even have 'animation mistakes', like food vanishing from plates during the 'meals' at Touka's house. Like the other anon said, it just takes some creativity.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 16:39:45 2010 No.6449191 >>6449142 [name txt="Ririko"][vo s=rir_0103]"A cat is fine too."[np]\ ;;[name txt="Ririko"][vo s=rir_0103]"まだネコでもいいか"[np]\ Fucking meme spewing faggots

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 16:41:45 2010 No.6449201 File: 414 KB, 800x600, Master Troll.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This one too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 16:50:45 2010 No.6449240 File: 59 KB, 799x600, 6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She's adorable.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 16:52:45 2010 No.6449251 File: 448 KB, 1335x2104, 1283739056151.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6449240 Indeed, and her voice during the H scenes is an orgasm catalyst.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 16:56:45 2010 No.6449278 >>6449201 I immediately imagined him making a trollface when I got there.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 17:29:45 2010 No.6449420 The main thing I hated about this is how the manage to make seemingly likeable heroines and twist them into disgusting, horrible people. Also, shitty pacing too I guess.

Anonymous Sun Nov 14 22:49:45 2010 No.6450578

>>6449420
Which ones? They were kind of annoying at times but they had their reasons.
Sachi was cranky from getting 0 hours of sleep for like week.
Touka was just indecisive as fuck. Actually she didn't come across as a horrible person. And how did the other two seem like bad people?

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 23:07:45 2010 No.6450669 >>6449420 More like they took disgusting, horrible people and made them into likeable heroines.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 23:15:45 2010 No.6450710 should i try to finnah this game?, I stopped play many months ago and i think i was doing sacchis route. Is worth doing every bodys route in the end. I think older natsumi is kinda cute with her dazing off and shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Nov 14 23:28:45 2010 No.6450767 >>6450710 Is English your first language? Yes it's worth it to finish the game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 02:45:45 2010 No.6451470 >>6449420 This only applies to Sachi, really. It's no coincidence that her Chapter is also the most aggravating to sit through.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 02:52:45 2010 No.6451500 >>6451470 What whole Mana situation needed to be reworked. What kind of a sister sends her little sister to be some king's whore for any reason?

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 02:59:45 2010 No.6451529

>>6451500

Well, technically Sachi DID finish her painting, it's just that Mana didn't want to accept it, and decided to be a whore to make sure that Sachi would keep doing what she loved. Which I thought was incredibly stupid writing, but hey.

The whole situation is Houzuki's fault anyway, like Ken angrily points out after the credits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:00:45 2010 No.6451534 >>6451529 Can you remind me what Houziki set up?

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:04:45 2010 No.6451552

>>6451534

He sold Mana to the Southerners in order to both ensure that Ken would succeed in releasing Sachi from her obligation and to remind Ken that no matter what, he is the one in control.

It's implied that he was responsible for Touka's biological parents contacting her again, as well.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:07:45 2010 No.6451568

Did you guys even play Sachi's route to the end? What Houzuki did was the right thing. Mana would end up without any education, being just another foreigner dejected by society. If anything, she would end up worse than she was as a kid.
Instead, he was able to get her into a nice place, where she was properly educated and raised into a functioning individual, instead of a cute but dumb little girl. Mana deserves better than that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:08:45 2010 No.6451575 >>6451568 It was implied that she would be raped asshole. She could get educated in their coutnry.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:19:45 2010 No.6451629

>>6451575
Oh, really? Then break it down to me, who would pay for her education? Her lost years without school? Her university? Sachi? I hope you do realize how unstable the paycheck of an artist like her is. Of course, Kenichi could always do it, but would he?
Houzuki is cruel and cold, but he's not an asshole for no reason. While his methods are questionable, he's a Special High Class Individuakl, the best product human society has to offer. He wouldn't simply sell a kid to a country just to get a bit more of money, when he's already fucking filthy rich.
His objectives are to make society's wheel to move accordingly, and he was very aware of Mana's potential. Why waste such a bright kid as a fucktoy for some asshole? Houzuki knows that using his contacts and networks he can get her a way better future than that.
As he mentioned himself, those are just rumours. He never said that she was going to be raped for sure. Remember, SHCIs lie constantly to rile people up and spring them into their desired motions. If he just said that Mana was going to be sent to a nice place that was going to improve her as a human being, do you think any of the events that made Sachi into a productive invidual would've happened? Surely not.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:21:45 2010 No.6451640 That face Sachi has whenever she does anything remotely physically taxing, where she looks half-dead.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:22:45 2010 No.6451642

>>6451629
>Houzuki is cruel and cold, but he's not an asshole for no reason
Did you read the fucking VN? He put ririko through how much pain? It was nothing short of torture.

>who would pay for her education?
What the fuck do you know about their education system? How do you know you even have to pay for grade school shit?
Ken started going to school just like that without paying when Natsumi brought him.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:29:45 2010 No.6451685

>>6451642
>Did you read the fucking VN? He put ririko through how much pain? It was nothing short of torture.
Yeah you dumbass, but do you think he was doing that just for fun? Doesn't it even goes through your head WHY he was doing those things to her?

And seriously, do you think that if it was so easy for Mana to go to school, she wouldn't already? I mean, she lived as a homeless for years, why didn't she just step into a school if it was so easy?

Look, I'm not presenting theories for theories, I'm bringing explanation to canon facts. Mana was raised into a outstanding individual, with a bright carrer ahead of her. Sachi turned into a renowned artist and got together with Kenichi. All thanks to Houzuki and his cold proactivity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:32:45 2010 No.6451695 >>6451685 >with a bright carrer ahead of her As a butler? Not that it matters, doesn't change the fact that it's shitty writing for having Sachi let her sister be taken to be WHAT WAS IMPLIED BY KEN to be a whore for a king.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:32:45 2010 No.6451697 >>6451695 Oh god, did you even get Sachi's end?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:34:45 2010 No.6451702 >>6451697 Yes. But please direct your attention to the second line where I say it doesn't matter and why.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:36:45 2010 No.6451710 >>6451702 What do you mean "let be taken"? Do you want her to simply defy Houzuki and kick him in the balls? Mana knew what was better for Sachi, and understand that just maintaining the status quo between them wouldn't bring an end to their problems.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:37:45 2010 No.6451712

>>6451710
I guess you don't remember what happened.
I'll refresh your memory.

Ken is ready to give the money necessary to keep Mana here because he thinks the painting is worth it.
Mana says the painting could be better and that she should leave. Sachi agrees.
Bullshit

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:42:45 2010 No.6451725

>>6451712
Dude, did you even paid any attention to the route at all? Of course Mana wouldn't accept the painting, if she did, she knew the sister she loves more than she loves herself would never paint again, and would keep that useless life she was leading. Her obligation would probably never be lifted, and things would just keep as they were.
The whole point of that chapter, was that if you want a good management of those around you, just keeping the status quo between everyone is not enough. Management is about spurting growth. Mana knew that, and in order to keep Sachi reaching for a better future, she made that sacrifice. Of course, even Sachi herself knew this, though it was a very hard gift to accept. Hence why that scene was so touching and emotional.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:44:45 2010 No.6451731 >>6451725 I understand all of that, doesn't change the fact that if Sachi wasn't a horrible person she wouldn't have sent her little sister to be raped That's why I said it should have been written differently

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:45:45 2010 No.6451740

>>6451712
Do you remember what causes Sachi's bad end?
Not the footjob, but because Ken just gives her the money.
Houzuki had always been suspicious of Ken buying the painting because of Sachi and not because of its artistic merit. If Mana and Sachi had just accepted Ken's money, Houzuki still wouldn't accept it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:47:45 2010 No.6451744 >>6451740 >If Mana and Sachi had just accepted Ken's money, Houzuki still wouldn't accept it. Sachi didn't know that. She sent her sister to be raped.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:50:45 2010 No.6451753

>>6451731
That wasn't Sachi's decision. It was Mana's. Of course Sachi declined this just like Kenichi did at first, but Mana was strong on her resolve. She pratically begged Sachi to accept her gift to her and carry her dreams on, just so that one day they could meet again.
While I do respect your opinion on prefering a happier end, calling it "shitty writing" is just unfair. That scene was absolutely beautiful.

>>6451744
She didn't "sent her to be raped". You are obviously looking at things like Sachi actually wanted to send Mana away for the sake of her convinience. There can't be any interpretation of the events that's more wrong than this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:51:45 2010 No.6451760 >>6451753 I don't necessarily prefer a happier ending. I prefer an ending that doesn't make Sachi out to be a horrible person.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 03:53:45 2010 No.6451763 >>6451760 Didn't you see how hard she was crying? Mana told Kenichi how hard Sachi tried to convince her to stay, many many times. You can't blame Sachi for what Mana decided. Besides, Sachi worked her ass off just so she could meet Mana once again.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 04:21:45 2010 No.6451828

>>6451712
>Bullshit

Exactly. That's exactly what it was. That is the only route where the drama feels forced, since it relies on the characters being complete fucking idiots.

Why not dangle the threat of Mana being taken away over Sachi's head until she gets back into the swing of painting again? Why did Mana have to leave to ensure that Sachi's obligation is removed? Hell, after Sachi realized how much she values Mana, there's no way she wouldn't keep painting.

The only ending to make me rage even more endlessly was Arcueid's true end.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 04:29:45 2010 No.6451845

>>6451828
>Why not dangle the threat of Mana being taken away over Sachi's head until she gets back into the swing of painting again?
Uh, that's what they did. If Ken's right, Houzuki raised the bar once Sachi had a chance of buying Mana back.

>Why did Mana have to leave to ensure that Sachi's obligation is removed?
Sachi had enough money to negate her obligation, but it was her love of Mana that gave her motivation to work towards true rehabilitation.
Relocating Mana to the south ensured that Sachi would always have a goal to work toward, while keeping Mana would allow Sachi to slack off again.
Mana probably realized this, or was coerced to accept this by Houzuki.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 04:33:45 2010 No.6451850

>>6451845
>while keeping Mana would allow Sachi to slack off again.

No, Sachi underwent a huge emotional transformation during that route. Even if she got to keep Mana, I highly doubt she's start slacking off again now that she's realized what's truly important to her.

Instead, Mana goes away to Rapeland ANYWAY.

It honestly just seems like Looseboy decided "you know, this ending isn't sad enough. I know! I'll make all the player's efforts completely pointless and undermine the entire goal of this arc!"

I raged for days.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 04:52:45 2010 No.6451879

>>6451850
The ending would have been completely inconsistent with the rest of the story if Mana had stayed.

After screwing off for the first 90% of her time, Sachi finally perseveres, but still has to rely on Ken. Her obligation is lifted, and Mana gets to stay, and everything is sunshine and rainbows.

One major theme of Sharin is that you have to work hard to achieve your goals, and even then, sometimes that's not enough. Sachi working hard for the rest of her life for just a chance at meeting Mana again falls in line (more like circle, am I right?) with that theme.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:08:45 2010 No.6451906

All I know is that Touka is love, and the best choice. Ririko is good, but no where's as close to the wife material that Touka is. Also I can't see how you think Touka was indecisive, she just didn't want to give into having herself to take a shitty decision others were forcing upon her for their own selfishness. I give her credit for not giving into that shit.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:14:45 2010 No.6451927

>>6451879

I think that Sachi deserves Mana after the ridiculous amount of effort she showed at the end.

Furthermore, like I said, it's spitting on the player's own efforts, which I suppose was sort of the point. I'm still not sure if I was supposed to rage as much as I did, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:15:45 2010 No.6451932 >>6451850 Mana isn't a pet. If she stayed with Sachi what could she have done? No education, living in a closet, only interact with Sachi and Kenichi. At least in her country she will be with her people receiving an education and a future.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:17:45 2010 No.6451944 >>6451932 This.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:22:45 2010 No.6451951 >>6451932 But would she be happy? That's really what matters more than anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:25:45 2010 No.6451959 >>6451951 She did it for her sister, of course she was happy. And she looked pretty happy and well collected when you meet her later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:26:45 2010 No.6451960 >>6451906 I think Touka IS indecisive, but I also think it's very understandable and that it's wrong to criticize her for that given the circumstances she was in.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:26:45 2010 No.6451961

>>6451951
Ignorance isn't happiness.
And she herself said that she wanted to see her country and go to school, she had no future with Sachi.
Look at how fucking smart she is, it would be a waste for her to live in a fucking closet all her life, at least in her country she achieved something

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:28:45 2010 No.6451970

>>6451959

Mana was in tears when she forced herself to leave. I hate characters who pointlessly sacrifice themselves for other characters who also pointlessly sacrifice themselves.

>when you meet her later

Does this really matter? You don't necessarily have to get that ending, and Ken and Sachi don't know that she's not going to be raped at the time.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:30:45 2010 No.6451977

>>6451961

Look, everything up until Sachi's ending implied that Mana was being sold off as a sex slave. You cannot argue that her going away was the best choice when she had no idea what it was going to be like.

Also she could probably have gone to school normally. It's never explained why she couldn't, since that would undermine the 'tragedy' of the arc's ending.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:33:45 2010 No.6451989

>>6451970
>>6451977
Mana was crying because she was separating from her sister, separations are sad you know.
Doesn't mean she also didn't want to see her country, everything isn't black and white.

And why she couldn't go to school was explained, she just didn't have an official existence.

And she seemed pretty happy and successful in the ending.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 05:41:45 2010 No.6452011 >>6451989 >And she seemed pretty happy and successful in the ending. I've already explained why this doesn't really matter as far as Mana's decision goes. Also, looking back, it really does seem like Sachi is just letting Mana get raped...

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 08:39:45 2010 No.6452363 Sachi doesn't know about rumors of sexual service there anyway. Who is the idiot going 'she set her off to be raped lolol' when no, she had no idea about that stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 08:43:45 2010 No.6452374 >>6452363 Or hell, WE don't even know about it. Kenichi never got to finish his sentence. I mean, sure that's where everyone's mind wondered I bet, but we still don't actually know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 18:10:45 2010 No.6454398 >>6452363 It was implied, the audience figured it out so Sachi should have been able to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 18:23:45 2010 No.6454426 >>6454398 "The reader figured it out so x character should have too' doesn't apply to 99.99% of fictional stories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 21:01:45 2010 No.6455073 >>6454398 I didn't figure it out. I recall it being implied once, but I thought the drama was all about Sachi and Mana losing each other, not about IMPENDING RAPE. I didn't get that vibe at all.

>>	Edgy New Tripfriend !!RBT0Wter2IW Mon Nov 15 21:04:45 2010 No.6455099 What I hated? Ririko wasn't in it enough.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 21:05:45 2010 No.6455109

Yeah, it was only offhandedly implied once, in a subtle line(and I mean very subtle, you'd probably have to be at least a tad bit of a pervert to make that leap, but most people playing eroge aren't exactly innocent so yeah, most people probably did) You're not really meant to like, drag it along in your mind to the very end.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 21:06:45 2010 No.6455115

the gigantic trainwreck of an end.

seriously, starting from the speech I was face palming the whole time.

not only was it rushed, contrived and poorly executed, the whole idea is just so naive it doesn't even compare to the earlier chapters and the potential the story has.

akabe likes to insert "shit got so real" moments into their games, but at least half of those are complete failures.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 21:40:45 2010 No.6455297

>>6455115
I would tend to agree with you. The entire story was great, it had huge amounts of potential and wonderful writing. It built up several complex themes, developed ambiguity (just as any good story should) and had a multitude of three dimensional, complex characters. (Disregarding Nasumi. I would argue that she didn't NEARLY reach the complexity of a real human being).

All of it was great.

Until the fucking end. It's like the writers literally decided to throw away EVERYTHING that they had built up. "O, remember the themes that we inserted through careful even selection? FUCK THEM, let's throw them all away and make the whole end go JUST AS FUCKING PLANNED." They -literally- threw away any chance of a well developed concluding conflict, instead choosing to just wrap everything up and leave it as is. In fact, after the speech starts, no more development in any of the characters happens, except for Hozuki. When he gives up in the end and lets Ken and everyone go it hints at some ulterior motives (which are thankfully explained in the fan disk).

In all, the conclusion still served its purpose well - it tied up most of the lose ends, and made connections between the concepts within the story. However, this type of ending wasn't nearly befitting of a story with such a well developed rising action.

Don't even get me started on Nasumi. Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 21:43:45 2010 No.6455313 Chapter 5 was the best chapter by far. u guys cray-zee

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:07:45 2010 No.6455442

>>6455297
>"O, remember the themes that we inserted through careful even selection? FUCK THEM, let's throw them all away and make the whole end go JUST AS FUCKING PLANNED."

Can you elaborate a little? What exactly did they throw away. I'll admit that it started to get a bit contrived, but I'm not following what you're saying exactly

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:22:45 2010 No.6455529

>>6455297
Those "complex themes" you mention were only really skimmed over. The writer clearly did the bare minimum. Like the lines where Ken was talking about "the world of management" and the like. It's plainly obvious the writer never had any real opinions about them in the first place and did it only to make an interesting story, so honestly it's hard to expect it to go anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:29:45 2010 No.6455566 >>6455529 >It's plainly obvious the writer never had any real opinions about them in the first place and did it only to make an interesting story what do you think a visual novel is for

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:30:45 2010 No.6455575

>>6455442
Well, for example, one of the themes (as another anon nicely put it) is that you have to work hard to achieve your goals, and even then, sometimes that's not enough. I will admit, this idea is still present towards the absolute end, when Ken climbs up that huge ass rock wall, and only then is he rewarded (which is pretty fucking hard work). However, for the rest of the conclusion, none of the characters particularly seem to struggle - as I said, it mostly became a huge "just as according to keikaku" scenario. Even when Ken fools Hazuki into thinking that he was addicted to drugs it didn't seem TO ME that he was tested all that much. Of course, I could be interpreting that section incorrectly, but it really just didn't seem like that "trial" was all to "trying." Otherwise, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about when I say that everything else pretty much is as smooth as butter for their ending plan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:31:45 2010 No.6455582 >>6455566 Depends on the writer obviously. I'm not saying it's a necessarily bad thing, but sometimes things just flop. Sharin's ending did happen to be (almost) one of them, it wasn't entirely I suppose.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:31:45 2010 No.6455583

>>6455575

Moving on from this, another recurring theme is the idea is the ultimate triumph of Justice over corruption. While poetic justice is terribly cliche, they actually were able to implement it quite nicely into the story, with some nice symbolism with the sunflowers thrown in. The idea even continues throughout the majority of conclusion - that is, until the exposition. I found it STUPID AS FUCK that only ONE route had an end where Ken pursues his ORIGINAL PURPOSE (disregarding freeing Ririko). For how much Ken complains about how much he hates the society, about how UNJUST it is, he ends up doing nothing in 3/4 of the endings! It seems like if he were really that discontent with society, he would do at least SOMETHING in all of the endings. Of course, me and many others would argue that Ririko's end is the only true end, but I still find it somewhat inane that such a huge focus of the story, Justice in Society, was simply thrown out. This is further reiterated by the fact that Ken simply forgets about the injustices of Hozuki (which, I must admit, was not completely without reason. Hozuki DID let them all off the hook, in the end, and most of his treatment did have some reason.)

Of course, all of what I said is open for debate. Part of what makes a great story is ambiguity. It may also be that I am being a bit overly critical, but I have a couple more examples

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:36:45 2010 No.6455610

>>6455529
You also are probably correct. It is fairly apparent that the AUTHOR didn't attempt to instill much purpose into the VN. However,even if he skimmed over them, he still did insert them, as you admit. "Complex" may have been a hyperbole, in which case, I would concede that the lackluster ending may have been caused by the writer's own laziness/detachment. He very likely may have never intended to follow through with any theme til the end in the first place.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:39:45 2010 No.6455624

>>6455610
See, it's hard to write something meaningful if the premise of the entire work was "let's make this "cool"". Granted Sharin was worlds apart from let's say movies in terms of how fleshed out the themes were in a good way...but still, I doubt the author ever cared about more than entertaining. Different people I guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:43:45 2010 No.6455648 Are there only 3 heroines in this game?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:44:45 2010 No.6455655 >>6455624 >>6455610 >>6455582 >>6455575 >>6455566 >>6455529 >>6455442 >>6455115 >>6455109 I like conversations like these. it makes me feel like underneath all of the toohoos and porn, /jp/ actually has a brain.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:49:45 2010 No.6455685

>>6455624
You're absolutely right. Perhaps it was mostly by chance/latent intelligence that Sharin turned out to be such a good story - at least, for the parts that it WAS a good story.

Although unrelated, your mention of movies reminded me of something. Just as with any medium, there are sometimes goldmines of DEEP. I just recently watched Memento. Absolutely amazing. The movie wasn't even ABOUT (thematically) getting revenge. His wife's killer wasn't even necessary to the plot whatsoever.. Also, for those who read of Mice and Men, Memento is clearly inspired in part by that novel.

>>	Blick Winkel !arWAHAn1/. Mon Nov 15 22:50:45 2010 No.6455687 >>6455648 Sachi, Touka, Natsumi. Yeah, three.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:52:45 2010 No.6455698

For me it's the fandisk...it ruined my understanding of the ending.

When Houzuki said "You broke me in the prison, and now you are separating from me." I thought that meant the whole thing was a setup to teach Ken and Houzuki was only playing a part rather than being serious. Then I read the fandisk.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:55:45 2010 No.6455715

>>6455685
Sounds interesting I guess. I stopped watching movies a long long time ago. They always seem to be bogged down by stupid ideas and cliche.

As far as your point about Sharin being good by chance goes, I think it's just that the setting and main character were simply good ideas, so that helped shape the themes and it simply couldn't be that bad providing the author wasn't terrible.

Anonymous Mon Nov 15 22:57:45 2010 No.6455722

I love Sharin but it's mainly popcorn entertainment from beginning to end, and chapter 5 was the most entertaining of the bunch.

I'm actually a little taken aback that people found it disappointing and that it didn't follow 'themes' from the previous chapters. Particularly since most of the themes from the previous chapters were meant to be self-contained within their corresponding chapter anyway.

The final chapter was basically Ken's chapter. Everyone had their time in the son but him, really. He had this slow, build up through the rest of the game and chapter 5 is like, showing the reader the results of just how much changed from Ken to Kenichi. You only get little hints in the previous chapters and that's when it really dumps it on you. I mean, you can say it didn't get any 'development' because he always had it in him, but it's the first time they really show the reader that development.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 23:01:45 2010 No.6455748 File: 110 KB, 800x597, i think so.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >This whole thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 23:04:45 2010 No.6455757 >>6455722 Oh, and not that popcorn entertainment is a bad thing. It's a good thing, actually. Better than hurf durf look at me I'm am putting teh deep story with DEEP THEMES in my eroge lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 23:05:45 2010 No.6455761 >>6455757 That's because you're simply shallow.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 23:09:45 2010 No.6455776 More like that's the kind of shit I sought after when I was 13 years old.

Blick Winkel !arWAHAn1/. Mon Nov 15 23:20:45 2010 No.6455810

>>6455698
I like the fandisk's explanation of the exam, actually.

>"The Special High Class Individual final exam is an exam in name only. It's actually just a correctional program. A lethal program meant to manipulate people's emotions."

Basically every SHCI before Ken also wanted to change the world, but was broken like a horse. In a sense, Ken is the first to "pass."

I think that the proctors secretly want their cadets to surpass them, which is why they're so brutal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 23:21:45 2010 No.6455813 I hated the fact that it tried to force you to cry by creating drama when there really shouldn't have been any. Example: Little brown girl getting taken away for no reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 23:24:45 2010 No.6455823 >>6455813 >getting taken away for no reason. Not this shit again. More and more I'm convinced that the people who thought some parts were forced and poorly written barely read the novel with the proper attention.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 15 23:28:45 2010 No.6455838 >>6455810 Still means Houzuki was serious the entire game. I thought he was like that guy in the car who Ken talked to, IE all of Houzuki's behaviour was planned only for Ken's teaching.

Blick Winkel !arWAHAn1/. Tue Nov 16 00:02:45 2010 No.6455973

>>6455838
In a sense, it was all for teaching him.
The final exam exposes the cadets to the flaws of their society to build their desire to change it, but then crushes them so that they cannot.
Truly "passing" the exam would be to fail it, and survive: to not be crushed by the proctor.

Houzuki was also obviously looking out for Ken and friends' [relative] well being, while still appearing evil enough to set examples for Ken. Unless Ken fails, then people die.

He let Ken overstep his jurisdiction by "returning" Sachi's time.
He sent Mana to an actually good home.
He let Ken prevent Kyoko from going to camp.
He trolled Ken with the story about the pseudofamilies.
He didn't immediately kill a single person in the entirety of Chapter 5 even though he had every right to.
He let Kenichi and Ririko live for seven years.

He killed Eri for being late. And Ken gets away with all this shit. This entire exam was hand tailored for Ken.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 00:05:45 2010 No.6455978 >>6455973 Honestly he probably did all of that because of his personal attachment to Ken from the events in the fandisk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 00:06:45 2010 No.6455981 I don't remember why there were laws and shit and why they were so harsh, could somebody remind me again?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 00:08:45 2010 No.6455992 So I guess the fandisc is really a must play, huh? And here I was getting ready to play CC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 00:10:45 2010 No.6455998 >>6455981 >why there were laws Because every society has laws? >why they were so harsh To rehabilitate them in a way specific to their crime, instead of just throwing them in a prison like we do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 00:11:45 2010 No.6456004 >>6455992 Houzuki's story is, at least. The rest is garbage. The patch does you the favor of locking out the other routes, even.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 00:11:45 2010 No.6456005 >>6455992 Not really, Houzuki hardly feels like Houzuki. You'd never expect him to become what he was in SnK from reading the fandisk.

>>	Blick Winkel !arWAHAn1/. Tue Nov 16 00:20:45 2010 No.6456041 >>6456005 I'd say it was more believable than Anakin to Darth Vader. In fact, Chapter 5's bad end kind of hinted at Houzuki's chapter. It would have been cool if Ken's name changed once more to Houzuki Kenichi.

Anonymous Tue Nov 16 00:44:45 2010 No.6456090

I loved Sharin no Kuni. It had a great and creative premise. The ending really was bullshit though.
I don't really mind the twists with the injured leg and addiction because they were explained. He mentioned how he was able to predict Ken's moves was because of shit like that.

What bothered me, which has already been mentioned, was the contrived speech and how everyone just had to play a role in the ending.
The only people that should have had a role in the ending was Ken, Ririko, and Isono. They all had their reasons to be involved and where capable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 09:24:45 2010 No.6457245 >>6456005 Isn't his behavior expected to be different? That's how he became who he was in the VN.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 12:04:45 2010 No.6457591 >>6455973 >He killed Eri for being late Y'know, I think I'm still butthurt over that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 12:08:45 2010 No.6457597 >>6457591 He would have kileld her either way, nothing to be butthurt about.

Anonymous Tue Nov 16 12:14:45 2010 No.6457610

>>6457597
Well yeah, but still. SHCI are trained by people that are paid with tax money. It takes a LOT of time to educate them properly, and way too much effort from a bunch of people. It's not cheap, it's actually a very expensive investment the goverment makes to raise an individual to become like that.
And then he just shoots her in the head and blam, all that money is gone without presenting barely any return to society. That's not only extreme, but almost to the point of sounding retarded. Those soldiers the first Houzuki killed were war heroes, very well trained soldiers, probably responsible for saving hundreds of lifes. Yet they died like dogs for no reason.

Besides, after reading a few bits of her route on the fandisk, I grew to like her character a bit. And her voice was pretty cute. Damn.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 13:49:45 2010 No.6457875 >>6457610 It was all for Ken though. SHCI weren't made every day, it was decided that Ken was going to be made one and the entire exam was for him, not that girl. She knew what she was getting herself into anyway. It didn't necessarily go to waste.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 13:59:45 2010 No.6457896 Houzuki's ultimate goal with that particular exam wasn't even necessarily to make Ken into one anyway. It was more about him testing his own way of life.

Anonymous Tue Nov 16 14:02:45 2010 No.6457900

>>6457875
Sure, Ken was the one who had to be turned into a SHCI, whatever. But why go as far as busting a cap on the bitch's head? If Ken was planned to "win" the exam all along, why not just send her somewhere else with the ground of failing the exam for being late?
That's, of course, on the scenario that assumes Ken turned into a SHCI, which only happens in a bad end.

So in the end we have the most brilliant SHCI candidate not working on the field, and a genius of law science rotting under the sun in some hick ass town. Investment of years and years wasted on a whim.

I can really understand why Houzuki's situation was so bad at the beginning of the fandisk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 16 14:38:45 2010 No.6457968 >>6457900 Because he was an actual bad person. The entire government shot babies and didn't even give a fuck. People being apologists for Houzuki in this thread are fags.

Anonymous Tue Nov 16 15:28:45 2010 No.6458104

Natsumi was annoying and I dislike her. She goes from this mentally unstable and almost psychotic girl to a cheery "I LOVE KEN CHAN" and happy go lucky girl. What? Oh, and also, Sachi is the best waifu ever.
and so is Touka. The other heroines are much better than the main heroine in this game. This vn is my favorite vn though along with Ever17.

Anonymous Tue Nov 16 23:00:45 2010 No.6460473

>>6458104
The problem wasn't her change in personality.
It was the way she kept dozing off while Ken was talking to her. It pissed me off to no end. He would tell her to listen to him and then she still wouldn't.
And then there was that post she would make after her 'change'...

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 11:00:45 2010 No.6462556 Bump from page 15

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 15:44:45 2010 No.6463462 So the consensus is: Ending was lame Natsumi was annoying Sachi's route could have been written better it seems.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 15:46:45 2010 No.6463470 >>6463462 That's a pretty shitty consensus then. As expected of /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 15:48:45 2010 No.6463476 >>6463470 Then why don't you throw in your two cents, fag?

Anonymous Wed Nov 17 15:54:45 2010 No.6463506

The gary stu prologue was utterly horrible, and the gary stu feel also stays for quite some while.
Pretentious shit I tell you.

With that said it still does get better and all in all the work is sort of good.
But still.. that was just distasteful, it could have been handled much better or so I believe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 15:57:45 2010 No.6463529 >>6463506 I thought it was just wish fulfillment. Who didn't want to be Ken?

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 15:59:45 2010 No.6463536 >>6463506 Gary Sue(Mary Sue) and pretentious in the same post. Now all we need is overrated and the trifecta of meaningless overused words of criticism by retards is complete

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 16:00:45 2010 No.6463541 Yeah a main character who is actually competent is so unrealistic. Need more bland guy with no characteristics who get girl without trying or because he is "nice".

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 16:00:45 2010 No.6463542 >>6463529 I don't. he started good but the turned into a faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 16:02:45 2010 No.6463549 >>6463541 This poster has a point. >>6463542 How did he turn into a faggot? I thought he was always great.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 20:50:45 2010 No.6464949 >>6463506 >Gary Stu You know... He had to work his ass off to become what he became in training. You did read the parts about his training, didn't you? It's not all that unreasonable

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 21:23:45 2010 No.6465134 >>6455648 >>6455687 +Ririko That makes 4

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 21:37:45 2010 No.6465204 >>6464949 I critisized the prologue you know, the opening that is. Not the actual character. I still do believe if they had presented things differently it could have been much better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 21:44:45 2010 No.6465246 >>6465134 Ririko only appears in flashbacks. She doesn't count as a heroine.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 21:47:45 2010 No.6465264 >>6465246 >Ririko only appears in flashbacks. Did we play the same game?

Blick Winkel !arWAHAn1/. Wed Nov 17 21:56:45 2010 No.6465308

>>6465264
Yeah, see, I even have a quote here:

[name txt="Houzuki"][vo s=hou_0380]"I shot Higuchi Saburou, your father, dead."[np]\
;;[name txt="Houzuki"][vo s=hou_0380]"貴様の父、樋口三郎は私が射殺した"[np]\
*page884|
[name txt="Ken"]"Wha...? Huh...?"[np]\
;;[name txt="Ken"]"なっ……え……"[np]\
*page885|
[name txt="Houzuki"][vo s=hou_0381]"Your sister, Ririko, has been arrested. She is currently awaiting the Maximum Penalty."[np]\
;;[name txt="Houzuki"][vo s=hou_0381]"姉の璃々子も逮捕し、極刑を待つ身だ"[np]\

She was given the Maximum Penalty and never seen again.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 17 22:08:45 2010 No.6465344 >>6465308 Clever

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 18 02:00:45 2010 No.6466410 >>6465308 She was shown without her Maximum Penalty at the end of her good end.

Anonymous Thu Nov 18 06:28:45 2010 No.6467091

So, I was thinking, how was Kourin no Machi? I heard there were some good surprises for the people who liked Sharin no Kuni, but the fact it lost the "Looseboy" touch made it quite average. Your thoughs? You can probably spoil some of the game, because I doubt there'll ever be a translation for it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 18 15:49:45 2010 No.6469202 >>6467091 I think the fact that the male lead has an Obligation is supposed to be this Ever17-level twist, but it was the first CG posted on this board, so...

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 18 20:28:45 2010 No.6470313 >>6440954 >What do you hate about Sharin no Kuni? Not enough Ririko. Not enough MC being a badass

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 18 20:51:45 2010 No.6470415 >>6457245 That's the thing, the transition makes no logical sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 18 21:02:45 2010 No.6470479 Sure it does

Anonymous Thu Nov 18 22:08:45 2010 No.6470782

>>6470479
Not really, Masaomi giving into the circumstances would in no way make him into a heartless monster. If anything it would make him try to change things even more so it won't happen again. And even then it doesn't explain how or why he held so much conviction about his ideas of people and society. With all his talk of contributing to society in SnK you'd think he would have a good reason to want that.

Anonymous Thu Nov 18 22:36:17 2010 No.6470911 [DELETED]

The exam breaks the person beyond the point of hoping to make things better. That's the entire point, to show that taking that path would ultimately be an act in futility. And in fact, they do mention that Houzuki wavered in his decision for at least several years afterward, the only thing keeping him on that path was that Saburo would die if he didn't. And then once you're on a certain path for like, 20 years, you can no longer turn back and you grow set in your ways.

Plus, there's nothing really suggesting that he had conviction in his ideas(and as you can see, a lot of what he does and says is simply the echoings of what Ari taught him). The entire point of the exam he administered to Ken, for example, was because he was feeling doubt in the path he chose and he set it up for Ken to prove him wrong. That's why they made all those mentions in the final chapter of Houzuki's attitude reflecting that he expected to lose. But of course, he has to present those ideals as steadfast and powerful to Ken as possible, otherwise it won't mean anything when Ken proves him wrong. Ken proved to him that even after you follow a path for 20 years, you can still turn back

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 18 22:39:45 2010 No.6470931 So what was the 'point' of SnK? Rehabilitation as a person? What do you think the themes were?

Anonymous Thu Nov 18 22:40:45 2010 No.6470933

The exam breaks the person beyond the point of hoping to make things better. That's the entire point, to show that taking that path would ultimately be an act in futility. And in fact, they do mention that Houzuki wavered in his decision for at least several years afterward, the only thing keeping him on that path was that Saburo would die if he didn't. And then once you're on a certain path for like, 20 years, you can no longer turn back and you grow set in your ways.

Plus, there's nothing really suggesting that he had conviction in his ideas(and as you can see, a lot of what he does and says is simply the echoings of what Ari taught him). The entire point of the exam he administered to Ken, for example, was because he was feeling doubt in the path he chose and he set it up for Ken to prove him wrong. That's why they made all those mentions in the final chapter of Houzuki's attitude reflecting that he expected to lose. But of course, he has to present those ideals as steadfast and powerful to Ken as possible, otherwise it won't mean anything when Ken proves him wrong. And he needs to recreate the situation as severe as his own, to see if it really was futile back then.Ken proved his doubts correct, that it was not futile and even after you follow a path for 20 years, you can still turn back

Anonymous Thu Nov 18 22:44:45 2010 No.6470948

Did no one else feel this pit in their stomach when they realized Kenichi was named by Hozuki? His three parents all loved him, and each other, and one of his fathers killed the other and then tried to kill his son years later in an attempt to retake the past...? And then he takes him to see his mother? All without him knowing?

That killed me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 18 22:46:45 2010 No.6470953 >>6470931 Love, friendship, justice, sunflowers (imaginary world), and slutty sex. It's just a VN, don't overthink it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 18 22:52:45 2010 No.6470973 >>6470953 Nah, Shari no Kuni is deep.

Anonymous Thu Nov 18 22:55:45 2010 No.6470983

>>6470933
His speeches seem to carry a lot of conviction. Like the one at the end of Sachi's route. Or the fact that he was willing to kill all of Ken's friends despite the fact that he hated the way he was treated in the fandisk. Sure he had doubts, but the fandisk Masaomi would have much larger doubts than this Houzuki seemed to have.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 18 23:02:45 2010 No.6470998 I got a sense that the main theme was society and how people live in it.

Anonymous Thu Nov 18 23:02:51 2010 No.6470993 [DELETED]

>>6470983
Well yeah, of course. He was young, green, and fresh in the fandisk. When you've worked for the government for 20 years of your life and seen so much shit and conducted numerous SHCI exams of your own, you're bound to change. And it's a logical change, it would be weirder if he WASN'T the way he was in the main game, regardless of how he started his career. Those experiences changed him into a more hardened and bitter man, and it was upon his discovery of Ken that the last inklings of doubt inside him about his way of life caused him to raise Ken for a sort of last ditch effort of changing things. Since, as one of the things they talk about in the fandisk ending is that even if it's too late for the older generation, the future will be left to the younger generation. A lesson that Ari could never understand since she was sterile.

Anonymous Thu Nov 18 23:04:45 2010 No.6471003

>>6470983
Well yeah, of course. He was young, green, and fresh in the fandisk. When you've worked for the government for 20 years of your life and seen so much shit and conducted numerous SHCI exams of your own, you're bound to change. And it's a logical change, it would be weirder if he WASN'T the way he was in the main game, regardless of how he started his career. Those experiences changed him into a more hardened and bitter man, and it was upon his discovery of Ken that the last inklings of doubt inside him about his way of life caused him to raise Ken for a sort of last ditch effort of changing things. Since, as one of the things they talk about in the fandisk ending is that even if it's too late for the older generation, the future will be left to the younger generation. A lesson that Ari could never understand since she was sterile.

The contrast between fandisk Houzuki and main game Houzuki was done on purpose, to show how much that shit can change a man.

Anonymous Thu Nov 18 23:08:45 2010 No.6471013

>>6470931
From the /a/ thread?
There was a lot of themes being thrown around, so it's probably hard to say what the main point was. For one each of the heroine routes seemed to have its own theme. Like Natsumi's was largely about not needing "qualifications" or "rights" for something. Though in a way I guess Natsumi's route was a lot about Ken, since Ken used to think just like Natsumi did...

I suppose I was a bit too harsh. It's not entirely without merit. Assuming you're from the /a/ thread.

Anonymous Thu Nov 18 23:11:45 2010 No.6471025

>>6471003
It still doesn't explain his "contribute to society" idea. I suppose 20 years is a lot but I think the change simply doesn't make sense regardless. You would expect him to try and fix things with his power rather than become just another cog and repeat things that he himself hated. At the very least, what was the point of killing Eri? There were many ways he could've solved that problem.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 19 02:36:45 2010 No.6471799 >>6470931 As Houzuki says, everything about human existence follows predictable, never-ending cycles. This game is about trying to break out of that.

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