Nuclear Reactor / General

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Nuclear Reactor / General Kaguya is a !BEaRD8DGAI Sat Mar 12 00:46:39 2011 No.7081706 [Reply] [Original]

Pretty much the areas affected by the tsunami and the earthquake are being taken care of.
The Fukushima power plant is STILL in danger of a meltdown.
Cessium has been detected, cooling is still and issue.
Reactor 2 seems to be under control, it's Reactor 1 that is on the verge of a meltdown as reported by NHK.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:47:39 2011 No.7081710 >>7081706 Stop it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:48:39 2011 No.7081713 Kaguya is still a beard gay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:49:04 2011 No.7081723 >>7081710 Fuck you Autist, these threads are more effective that most of the major media outlets

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:49:39 2011 No.7081726 Please, at least have this as a continuation of the previous thread with this info tacked on, otherwise its just going to rake in all sorts of fear-mongering/trolling.

>>	Kaguya is a !BEaRD8DGAI Sat Mar 12 00:49:39 2011 No.7081733 >NHK stream http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-gtv2 >Arclight's twitter (know what the hell he's talking about) twitter com/arclight Trying to find a more up-to-date source on the nuclear commission's comments.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:50:39 2011 No.7081739 What the fuck. We don't need to have an earthquake AND a reactor thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:51:39 2011 No.7081749 >>7081739 Yes we do, this could kill the entire country.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:52:39 2011 No.7081756 >>7081749 Bwa-ha-hah! Not by a long shot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:53:39 2011 No.7081757 Why aren't you guys using nico nico douga stream for Fuji TV and NHK? Scrolling comments!

Anonymous !ywVgXTwd3Q Sat Mar 12 00:53:39 2011 No.7081758

>Another stream (HD)
http://es.justin.tv/imononakanoyakult#/w/956976736

Japanese nuclear authorities say there was a high possibility that nuclear fuel rods at a reactor at Tokyo Electric Power's Daiichi plant may be melting or have melted, according to Jiji news agency.

Experts have said that if the fuel rods have been damaged, it means that it could develop into a breach of the nuclear reactor vessel and the question then becomes one of how strong the containment structure around the vessel is and whether it has been undermined by the earthquake.
>by Reuters_david.lalmalsawma at 2:47

source: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2?ShowComments=0 it goes slow but it's better than nothing

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:53:39 2011 No.7081759 >>7081739 The old thread is on autosage now >>7081749 Don't blow it up yet, we have yet to see how the containment structure holds.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:53:39 2011 No.7081761 >>7081749 Not saying anything about the importance of this, just keep it to one thread. The reactor damage was caused by the earthquake after all

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:53:39 2011 No.7081763 >>7081749 or possibly the entire world

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:54:39 2011 No.7081768 >>7081763 NAY, SIR THE ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM IS AT RISK

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:54:39 2011 No.7081769 >>7081763 Flip the continents like pancakes!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:55:39 2011 No.7081776 File: 51 KB, 256x364, ra2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Gentlemen. It's a nuclear device. Time is running out.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 00:55:39 2011 No.7081782 Nobody on 4chan understands how nuclear power works. News agencies are not going to report accurate the analysis of the situation as provided by credible experts.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:57:04 2011 No.7081788 [DELETED]

I think we need to understand the ramifications of a nuclear meltdown in Japan in 2011.

How much permanent damage will be caused to region, how much energy production will be lost, how much will the facility being destroyed cost.

What is likeability of the spread of radioactive clouds across the region, what are wind/weather conditions, how many people are on the ground at the facility and finally when will they pull out and get the fuck out of there?

>>	b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc Sat Mar 12 00:57:39 2011 No.7081787 Maybe if a meltdown occurs, /jp/ can take refuse and build an Old Home (like from Haibane) in the Zone of Alienation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:57:39 2011 No.7081792 >>7081782 b-but you're on 4chan

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:58:39 2011 No.7081801 Nuclear technician here, I gotta say you guys are lucky because you don't have any idea just how fucked Japan might be because of this. Ever hear of Xenon poisoning? Enjoy the comfort of your western beds tonight.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 00:58:39 2011 No.7081803 >>7081788 we're talking hiroshima times a thousand

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:00:04 2011 No.7081821 [DELETED]

Japan official: Meltdown at nuclear plant possible
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_japan_earthquake

>More than 215,000 people were living in 1,350 temporary shelters in five prefectures, or states, the national police agency said. Since the quake, more than 1 million households have not had water, mostly concentrated in northeast.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:00:39 2011 No.7081811 JAPAN IS FINISHED

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:00:39 2011 No.7081815 >>7081803 Tsar Bombas was a thousand Hiroshimas plus. We're talking about millions here. Japan could very well sink beneath the waves.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:01:39 2011 No.7081825 >>7081801 People look up terminology and use it to try and scare the gullible. Only on 4chan. >>7081776 I miss Westwood.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:01:39 2011 No.7081826 >>7081815 Nay, I think the area where Japan was will blow a hole reaching to the very core of the earth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:01:39 2011 No.7081832 File: 94 KB, 500x375, chernobyl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:02:39 2011 No.7081834

I don't want to all-caps but everyone is deaf

EVEN IN THE EVENT OF A MELTDOWN, THE CONTAINMENT STRUCTURE IS SUFFICIENT TO CONTAIN MOST HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, BEING IN AN EARTHQUAKE REGION, THEY ARE BUILT TO WITHSTAND

ALL REPORTS OF UNCERTAINTY ARE JOURNALISTIC WARPING AT WORK.

just take it easy guys, what happens is what will happen, worrying about it won't do you any damned good, if anything you can hope for the best.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:02:39 2011 No.7081841 Nuclear technician here, I gotta say you guys are lucky because you don't have any idea just how fucked Japan might be because of this. Ever hear of Gordon Freeman? Enjoy the comfort of your western beds tonight.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:04:39 2011 No.7081855

Guys a meltdown is not an explosion, but they can CAUSE explosions. A meltdown is basically the powerplant getting really hot and melting holes in itself, so radioactive stuff starts blowing around. Now, if THAT stuff explodes or gets into some hydrogen, then there is a significant problem.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:04:39 2011 No.7081857 >>7081826 Fuck, that would drain the oceans. It's over.

>>	Anonymous !ywVgXTwd3Q Sat Mar 12 01:04:39 2011 No.7081858 >>7081834 Let them be Public broadcaster NHK quotes Japanese authorities as saying no need to expand evacuation area around nuke plant

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 01:04:39 2011 No.7081862

>>7081834
You can't fearmonger with rational thought, friend.

You're doing it all wrong. You have to say something like "The resulting meltdown could cause the local gravity field to bend in such a way that large hadrons could collide, thus creating a singularity, which would result in the world falling into a black hole."

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:05:39 2011 No.7081869 >>7081858 They said the same things before 3 mile island.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:06:39 2011 No.7081875 4CHAN: THE ONLY PLACE WHERE HAVING FACTS EQUATES TO FEAR MONGERING, OUTSIDE OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:07:39 2011 No.7081881 >>7081858 and what exactly should they say? "you're all dead by this time tomorrow, go rape as many small children as possible"? it's just a little white lie to let them live out their final hours in dignity, as is befitting of japan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:07:39 2011 No.7081887 Didn't they already say it has cooled to safe levels? Why are people still going nuts over this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:07:39 2011 No.7081888 File: 16 KB, 320x282, OH SHI-.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7081769 >Flip the continents like pancakes!

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 01:08:39 2011 No.7081891

>>7081869
And nothing really happened at 3 Mile Island. Anti-nuclear wackos hyped up a bunch of non-empirical data and anecdotal hearsay regarding the supposed "effects" of the partial meltdown. Nuclear power suffered from hysteria and superstition, as it always has.

Anything to sell more fossil fuel slavery.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:08:39 2011 No.7081892 To people saying they want an expert to explain, the person on NHK is Naoto Sekimura from the department of nuclear engineering at Tokyo U. Just google him, he's legit. (関村直人)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:08:39 2011 No.7081893 >>7081887 >Reactor 2 seems to be under control, it's Reactor 1 that is on the verge of a meltdown as reported by NHK.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:08:39 2011 No.7081896 It's like I'm really on /new/ but with less racism.

Anonymous !ywVgXTwd3Q Sat Mar 12 01:09:39 2011 No.7081898

>>7081869

>"The Three Mile Island accident was a partial core meltdown in Unit 2"
>"Within hours of the accident the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) began daily sampling of the environment at the three stations closest to the plant. By April 1, continuous monitoring at 11 stations was established and was expanded to 31 stations two days later. An inter-agency analysis concluded that the accident did not raise radioactivity far enough above background levels to cause even one additional cancer death among the people in the area. The EPA found no contamination in water, soil, sediment or plant samples."

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:09:39 2011 No.7081899 >>7081896 Then thats called news bro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:09:39 2011 No.7081904 You fags need to stop blowing things out of proportion just for a laugh

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:09:39 2011 No.7081909 >>7081896 Shut the fuck up you sodomizing yellow jew. How's that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:10:39 2011 No.7081911 >>7081834 but WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIIIIIEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:12:04 2011 No.7081939 >>7081821 Headline already morphed Japan braces for N-reactor meltdown after tsunami

>>	Akechi Kokoro !Genius4woE Sat Mar 12 01:12:39 2011 No.7081929 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkq_jJvlHws&t=8m18s

>>	Kaguya is a !BEaRD8DGAI Sat Mar 12 01:12:39 2011 No.7081930 File: 37 KB, 462x177, Screen shot 2011-03-11 at 10.10.46 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The other nuclear physicist is gonna go on CNN. I'd search for a stream, but it's CNN.

>>	Anonymous !ywVgXTwd3Q Sat Mar 12 01:12:39 2011 No.7081940 >>7081904 A reactor meltdown isn't a minor event but I can agree with that, too many retards and physicist wannabes in here

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:13:39 2011 No.7081945 >>7081930 Oh god damn, I've got to get up at 6 AM EST to catch a flight home and here I am following the news. Didn't see that coming when I woke up this morning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:14:04 2011 No.7081949 >>7081930 Tell that faggot to stop being a conservative faggot and realize the implications of raw nuclear energy being exploded into the environment Stop fucking sugar coating this meltdown containment

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:14:39 2011 No.7081951 I'm going to go take an afternoon nap, and if I wake up and am still alive/not growing a foot out of my forehead, I'm going to laugh at you all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:14:39 2011 No.7081953 >>7081940 yeah, a bunch of faggots trying to calm everyone down because once their fridge lost power and they think this is going to be the equivalent of a leaky ice tray

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 01:14:39 2011 No.7081954 >>7081940 Japan is more at risk of a Green Flu epidemic than a catastrophic meltdown that would affect the whole island nation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:15:39 2011 No.7081965 >>7081949 Stop putting gas on the fire and fear-mongering.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 01:15:39 2011 No.7081966 >>7081949 >realize the implications of raw nuclear energy being exploded into the environment no-words.jpg

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:17:39 2011 No.7081976

>>7081965
i don't think you get it. this isn't gas on the fire. this is gas on a nuclear meltdown. you can't make it any worse because this is already is THE. WORST. once the nuclear material sinks down to the earth's core the entire planet is going to be irradiated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:17:39 2011 No.7081977 >>7081945 But it's too late, anon. The radioactivity spread while you were sleeping. You are already dead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:18:39 2011 No.7081980 >>7081909 Your heart wasn't in it. What's missing is the insult of one's intellectual power. Also maybe dumb it down more. Furthermore there needs to be more butthurt going around here to cause disarray.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:18:39 2011 No.7081983 >>7081976 >once the nuclear material sinks down to the earth's core the entire planet is going to be irradiated. Bravo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:18:39 2011 No.7081986 >>7081976 >once the nuclear material sinks down to the earth's core the entire planet is going to be irradiated. Anyone who actually believes that deserves to be trolled like this, that is my opinion

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:20:39 2011 No.7081994 >>7081986 Yeah, well, say that to my face when you're dead. Of core irradiation.

>>	Anonymous !ywVgXTwd3Q Sat Mar 12 01:20:39 2011 No.7081998 >>7081976 baby's first physics

>>	b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc Sat Mar 12 01:21:39 2011 No.7082005 >>7081994 Do you think once the heated rods reach the core each one will detonate like a nuclear bomb - possibly like one thousand nuclear bombs each?

>>	Kaguya is a !BEaRD8DGAI Sat Mar 12 01:21:39 2011 No.7082006 File: 28 KB, 437x155, Screen shot 2011-03-11 at 10.21.16 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:22:39 2011 No.7082011 >>7081949 >realize the implications of hot and steaming nuclear energy being sprayed all over the environment's tearful yet lusting face

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 01:23:39 2011 No.7082016 >>7082006 In fact, it's quite a lot different. >>7082011 This will be at the next Comiket. I swear it to you.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:23:39 2011 No.7082017

>>7082005
If only all the nuclear bombs would go off in one place, we would be so lucky. When the fuel explodes, it will throw untold thousands of fuel rod fragments outwards thousands of miles across all of Japan, where they will detonate with the force of a thousand nuclear bombs.

Each.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:24:39 2011 No.7082022 File: 65 KB, 496x452, okuuyeahright.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7081994 I have only a rudimentary understanding of physics and I know that's not going to happen.

>>	Clannad !A7W/F.LWIE Sat Mar 12 01:24:39 2011 No.7082023 File: 147 KB, 1010x810, me.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082006 It's not like a bomb but go look at Chernobyl. It's not a pretty sight.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:25:39 2011 No.7082030 ah fuck it, I'm not even going to try to teach nuclear physics to idiots and trolls. I did that enough in the last thread. I'm going to bed. Night /jp/.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 01:25:39 2011 No.7082033 File: 515 KB, 550x757, Gate.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is what is occurring at the heart of the reactor at this very moment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:25:39 2011 No.7082035 Protip: The reactor in question is a type of light water reactor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_meltdown#Light_water_reactors Nothing sounds like it's beyond the first two stages out of six.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:25:39 2011 No.7082037 >>7082030 Too bad you won't wake up because you'll be dead of radiation poisoning.

>>	b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc Sat Mar 12 01:25:39 2011 No.7082039 Someone should man up and 'tweet' the Core Irradiation imminence to that 'arclight' guy. People need to know the truth. Also, America. http://karmajapan.tumblr.com/

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:27:39 2011 No.7082048 File: 122 KB, 605x404, chernobyl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082023 This is what Chernobyl looks like nowadays. The horror...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:27:39 2011 No.7082054 >>7082039 Yeah, well, they'll get their karma when they die. It's just like Japan is nuking them back. How's that for karma?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:28:39 2011 No.7082060 >>7081976 >once the nuclear material sinks down to the earth's core the entire planet is going to be irradiated. ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:28:39 2011 No.7082062 Kyung Lah was reporting on CNN a second ago. Who decided she's now allowed to report on things other than Bakemonogatari and Love Plus?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:29:39 2011 No.7082071

if nippon is going to be saved we need to start ACTUALLY PAYING for the entertainment most of us leech from japan. i'm guilty of it, you know you are to. if we want to do our part to help them that's going to have to change.

some sites to start out on:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/
http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/
http://www.nippon-export.com/
mangagamer.com
amiami.jp

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:30:39 2011 No.7082076 File: 304 KB, 1024x768, 1282398323153.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082037 Not just radiation poisoning. CORE radiation poisoning.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 01:30:39 2011 No.7082079 >>7082071 You actually think the anime/game industry constitutes enough to make a difference for Japan's economy one way or another? Seriously? That's quite idiotic.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:30:39 2011 No.7082080

The reactors are not going to blow. If they were going to blow, they would have already done so. The reactors are offline now, it's just takes time to slowdown the reaction in the core in a light water reactor, they probably will have to vent some of the radioactive coolant via steam since there's no where to purify and flush it at the moment, there was never a risk of a china syndrome incident.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:31:04 2011 No.7082088 Tokyo U guy has got a new chart up on NHK

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:31:39 2011 No.7082083

>>7082071
Where do you think the boxes making up my cardboard condo came from? Besides, now is a shitty time to order anything. It won't ship right now, but you'll still be paying. Not to mention the yen is gonna drop more, and even a small change makes a big difference on a big order.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:32:39 2011 No.7082089 File: 1.87 MB, 1822x1325, 9d329a126d1a88873aaa2c11bc34a94b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082023 Are /g/'s retarded tripfags all coming in here because their Japan threads got reported?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 01:35:39 2011 No.7082104 File: 88 KB, 800x600, 800px-Kharak_burning_by_Riess.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is what will befall the world if the reactor reaches complete meltdown.

>>	b.b.hood !ponpOnMgkc Sat Mar 12 01:36:39 2011 No.7082110 >>7082104 Core Irradiation (artists conception)

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:36:39 2011 No.7082113 Kyodo reports the reactors have been depressurized. I guess that's the worst over with.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:37:39 2011 No.7082116 >>7082062 Is she talking about all the Koreans cheering over this happening?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:39:39 2011 No.7082128 >>7082048 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=101OEaksU0s Hurrr

>>	Anonymous !ywVgXTwd3Q Sat Mar 12 01:40:39 2011 No.7082130 Japan nuclear authorities: successfully released pressure at Fukushima plant by opening valves >by Reuters_TonyTharakan at 3:31

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:40:39 2011 No.7082132 >>7082039 >karmajapan It's like youtube comments in real-time!

>>	Kaguya is a !BEaRD8DGAI Sat Mar 12 01:41:39 2011 No.7082144 File: 219 KB, 604x345, Screen shot 2011-03-11 at 10.40.11 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] KATZ FROM YOKOSO IS BROADCASTING AGAIN http://www.ustream.tv/channel/yokosonews

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:42:04 2011 No.7082154 >>7082130 Pressure is not the issue, it is the uncontrollable temperature

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:43:39 2011 No.7082160 File: 1.14 MB, 850x1189, UT002.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082130 As if such a thing could stop us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:43:39 2011 No.7082165 >>7082154 Releasing the pressure prevents a coolant blow out, moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:44:39 2011 No.7082166 >>7082154 The heat build the pressure. Captcha: Yurio Turned

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:44:39 2011 No.7082167

>>7082154
The pressure is the main issue, if it got too high it would compromise the containment structure, now that its not high, they're most of the way out of it...of course there's now the deal with a dead reactor that will cost god-knows what to repair.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:45:39 2011 No.7082173 So.... How long before japan makes porn of this?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 01:46:39 2011 No.7082177 >>7082167 A dead reactor is infinitely cheaper than a breached reactor.

>>	Anonymous !ywVgXTwd3Q Sat Mar 12 01:50:39 2011 No.7082205 >Naoto Sekimura, a professor at the University of Tokyo, says "No Chernobyl is possible at a light water reactor. Loss of coolant means a temperature rise, but it also will stop the reaction” That's the third time I see this on reuters...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:52:04 2011 No.7082215 File: 169 KB, 1440x810, ep86556.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 01:53:39 2011 No.7082217 >>7082205 see: negative void coefficient and doppler shifting

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:09:39 2011 No.7082328 >>7082217 my bad, I meant Doppler broadening

>>	Kaguya is a !BEaRD8DGAI Sat Mar 12 02:14:39 2011 No.7082356 File: 1.10 MB, 938x712, Screen shot 2011-03-11 at 11.13.31 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:14:39 2011 No.7082358 So would it be safe to say that Fukushima NPP is going to bukkake its hot, steamy load across the face of Japan?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:18:39 2011 No.7082380 Even if nuclear energy was the safest around (hahaha) the fact used radioactive fuel can't be eliminated in any way and must be buried somewhere should be enough reason to not use it. Then again, money talks, fuck the planet and future generations.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:20:39 2011 No.7082386 >>7082173 I can see a Scat doujin about Utsuho releasing her pressure.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:20:39 2011 No.7082388

Reposting for the new idiots who have joined the pile
People are morons. I'm sick of the irrational nuclear reactor fears.

At first people were worried about water flooding into the reactor not realizing that water is a neutron moderator, which decelerates neutrons turning them from fast neutrons (0.1MeV) to thermal neutrons (0.025eV) thus limiting any potential nuclear reactions. It would be an excellent coolant.

This was eventually shown false and now an alarming lack of coolant was the problem...

Now people are worried about the building reactor heat...
The negative void coefficient basically means that as coolant is vented reactivity goes down. Since there was nearly no coolant, very few fission reactions can take place thus preventing the reactor from reaching criticality or super-criticality.

Now if the steam pressure built to a high enough level to compromise the structural integrity of the containment building then yes it could rupture and throw out some radioactive fallout. However a smart team of physicists would vent the reactor slowly releasing gases with trace amounts of radioactive fission fragments over time.

A large dose of radiation is only dangerous over a short Δt.
An equivalent dose of radiation to the first given over a much larger Δt is significantly less dangerous.

Venting radiation is smart. You would only be exposed to trace amounts over a large time period, it would barely have radiation levels above the cosmic background radiation. It is 100% safe it would prevent a meltdown with minimal exposure to radionuclides.

To all who make a baseless assertion that nuclear power is dangerous I say:

lrn2nuclearphysics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:21:39 2011 No.7082390 >>7082380 We only have one planet don't you think we should be taking better care of it?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:21:39 2011 No.7082391 >>7082380 The fact that fossil fuels (extraction, refinement, and use) produces more environmental harm than nuclear power could ever hope to achieve means that you are full of shit.

>>	mahou shoujo meduka !meguca4YtA Sat Mar 12 02:22:39 2011 No.7082401 >>7082380 Are you retarded, Anon?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:23:39 2011 No.7082405 >>7082401 He's retarded. Also, acknowledge that Mami is the best madoka.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:25:39 2011 No.7082415 >>7082405 >>>/a/

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:26:39 2011 No.7082418 >>7082415 Congratulations, you've found the way to /a/. Best go there.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:26:39 2011 No.7082422

>the fact used radioactive fuel can't be eliminated in any way
doesn't know about reprocessing nuclear fuels
>the fact used radioactive fuel can't be eliminated in any way
doesn't know that nuclear fuels decay naturally over time
>Even if nuclear energy was the safest around (hahaha)
Isn't aware of modern reactor technology and reactor safety
>Then again, money talks, fuck the planet and future generations.
Confirmed for hippie. Get the fuck out please.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:27:39 2011 No.7082426

>>7081891
You know you're just defending the rich getting richer and nothing else right?
Power plants running on fossil fuel cause contamination in a radius, but the damage is much less than what nuclears waste can do and last much less.
Not even the ''Man-made Global Warming'' fiction would be enough reason to use nulear energy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:30:39 2011 No.7082433 >>7082426 moron. You clearly have no knowledge of how a nuclear reactor works, how nuclear fission works, or how radioactivity works. You just believe everything Fox news tells you don't you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:30:39 2011 No.7082438 >>7082422 >Hippie Uh, I was under the impression you were an intelligent being. My mistake.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:32:39 2011 No.7082442 >>7082433 That doesn't make sense, considering Rupert Murdoch supports nuclear power.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:32:39 2011 No.7082443 >>7082405 >Mami is the best madoka. Hidoi fake-kun we all know Homu Homu is the best.

mahou shoujo meduka !meguca4YtA Sat Mar 12 02:33:39 2011 No.7082448

>>7082405
I'm sorry, I cannot tell a lie.
I like Mami, but Homura blows her out of the water.
Poor Mami-san. I feel sorry for her, it seems she's destined to die no matter what. And Madoka chose Homuhomu over her. I'd post one of those images of depressed Mami in Heaven but I'm too lazy.

Also, Anon, quit being retarded, please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:34:39 2011 No.7082451 >>7082391 Fossil fuel contamination doesn't cause as much damage to organisms and doesn't last for years. You should really read a little more. >Inb4 hurr durr global warming Al Gore save us

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:35:39 2011 No.7082454 >>7082391 >>7082401 >>7082405 >>7082442 >>7082443 >>7082448 Reported.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:35:39 2011 No.7082456 >>7082443 I find that highly unlikely.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:35:39 2011 No.7082457

>>7082422
Mind you, nuclear fuel can be reprocessed only to a certain extent. And the fission products are still highly active for millenia to come. At the moment, we can only pack them away somewhere. They're preparing to build wells into the bedrock to store the stuff in Scandinavia, if I remember correctly, and the Russians have been cheerfully dumping the stuff into the backyards of Siberian daycare centers for a nominal fee since 1990, but it still doesn't entirely solve the problem without potential, unpleasant repercussions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:36:39 2011 No.7082459 >>7082438 no mistake. Although I suppose you want me to soften up the rhetoric so as not to hurt his precious feelings. How about I call him an "environmentalist" instead. Can you stand up to criticism better that way?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:36:39 2011 No.7082462 >>7082388 I'ts funny because you won't get any benefit, not a single penny out of nuclear energy in your life.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:36:39 2011 No.7082463 >>7082448 >I like Mami, but Homura blows her out of the water. Magical girls can't be terrorists. They stop being moe if they construct homemade bombs. Homura is literally a terrorist. She terrorizes witches.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:37:39 2011 No.7082466 >>7082388 Get off your high horse. Does it really have to fucking explode and level the entire city for you to admit there may possibly maybe be some sort of danger?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:38:39 2011 No.7082473 >>7082459 It's equally stupid to use that word for common sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:41:39 2011 No.7082479 http://www.businessinsider.com/fukushima-nuclear-plant-2011-3#ixzz1GLKRNG58 >Updat 3/12 2/21: First positive headlinein awhile from Kyodo: Pressure successfully released from Fukushima No. 1 reactor.

>>	mahou shoujo meduka !meguca4YtA Sat Mar 12 02:41:39 2011 No.7082480 >>7082463 Her only magical power is the time travel device. Can you blame her for being resourceful?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:41:39 2011 No.7082481

>We only have one planet don't you think we should be taking better care of it?

that's a good point, let's launch that shit into space or the sun. by the time we learn how to travel in space, the shit will be far away from our solar system, dumped on some remote planet/moon or vaporized in the sun.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:41:39 2011 No.7082485

>>7082457
>And the fission products are still highly active for millenia to come.
Yes, SOME fission products are active. U-238 has a half life of about 4.468 billion years, of course this means it is very unlikely to release any radiation over the course of an average human life span, rendering it safe.

Other isotopes like Sr-90 have a half live of 28.8 years, it is significantly more radioactive, but decays quicker. Even more pronounced is Co-60 with a half life around 5 years if I remember correctly.

Basic rule. More radioactive = shorter half-life
less radioactive = longer half-life

At least do some research before you talk about radionuclide half-lives.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:42:39 2011 No.7082487

>>7082466
Oil refineries are a thousand times more dangerous than nuclear power plants. They DO explode fairly more regularly than nuclear exposure has ever occurred. Oil spills cause far more environmental damage than radiation leaks could ever hope to cause. Rigs are washed away by hurricanes or randomly explode (BP? BP?) regularly. The loss of life associated with oil exploration, drilling, and refinement is well in excess of accidental deaths from nuclear production.

Nothing is 100% safe. Wind power kills wildlife. Solar power produces harmful byproducts of panel creation. Hydro power blocks fish migration. So long as you actively attempt to convert energy forms in this world, you will have unfortunate byproducts of that attempt.

Want a perfect, immaculate solution to all our energy needs?

Mass extinction. You first.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:44:39 2011 No.7082491 >>7082451 >Inb4 hurr durr global warming Are you like the last person in a first world country that still thinks global climate change is a big lie? Do you still think the earth is flat and the sun is really a golden chariot in the sky too?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:45:39 2011 No.7082492 >>7082487 In fact an oil refinery did explode in Ichihara today in Japan due to the earthquake.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:46:39 2011 No.7082500 >>7082487 And geothermal, in some implementations, might increase the risk of volcanic events. Want a dangerous byproduct? Can't get any worse than a premature volcanic eruption.

>>	mahou shoujo meduka !meguca4YtA Sat Mar 12 02:47:39 2011 No.7082505 More importantly, I'm really surprised to see Luddites on /jp/. I thought your kind didn't really know how to use the Internet and such.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:48:39 2011 No.7082509 Nuclear Engineer explaining what risks are actually implied at the Fukushima reactor http://www.reddit.com/r/energy/comments/g1vwe/japan_trying_to_fix_nuclear_plant_cooling_problem/c1kc 8xi

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:48:39 2011 No.7082510

Truth is, there's just no real reason to use such a dangerous and polutant energy source.
Investments on developing alternative energy sources could have been made years ago.
The only reason they haven't done it is because all they care about is money.
The owners of the big oil companies are the same owners of oil spilling cleaning companies and nuclear plants.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:49:39 2011 No.7082514

>>7082491
"Global climate change" is a crock of shit sold by people looking to make money off of hysteria. The science is not "settled." It's not even close to convincing if you exclude the idea that mankind has nothing to do with it. "Climate change" occurs all the time. Earth's climates run in cycles that we are just now trying to observe with any kind of believable scrutiny. It's going to take more than 20 years of observation to be able to predict cycles that change over centuries with factors involved that we have no way of accounting for.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:51:39 2011 No.7082519 >>7082492 BUT IT WASN'T NUCLEAR SO IT WAS PERFECTLY OK. IN FACT IT ACTUALLY JUST SORT OF POPPED LIKE A GIANT FLUFF OF COTTON CANDY AND MARSHMALLOWS WITH RAINBOW UNICORNS AND STRAWBERRY HERP DERP DE HURR DURR HERP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:51:39 2011 No.7082520 >>7082491 It's not a lie, kid. But it's in no way caused by human action.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:52:39 2011 No.7082523

>>7082466
>>7082487
I remember a little over a year ago an explosion at a gas fired power plant near where I live. The Kleen Energy in Cheshire CT, had an explosion when workers were attempting to purge the gas lines. Brand new power plant.
Last time there was a major nuclear power disaster was in 1986. Pretty good nuclear power record wouldn't you say?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:52:39 2011 No.7082524

>>7082466
It's a lot less dangerous than other methods. Besides, more recent designs are so safe that the likelyhood of anything catastrophic happening is so low that it's not even worth considering (life being extinguished on earth by a meteorite would be more likely).
>>7082462
Say that to all the cities powered by it. Expect more of this in the future, at least for 30-50 years or so until fusion is doable and widely available. As oil supplies will get reduced, more things will need to go electrical, be it from solar, wind, geothermal or nuclear (depending on scale) sources (or coal if people decide to not give a fuck about CO2 production as there's a lot of it and it's cheap). Environmentalists should support nuclear power as it's one of the cleanest (per efficiency) we have right now, and it'll get even cleaner when newer reactors will be able to reuse the waste they make ( solar isn't actually as clean as you think, did you consider the cost of plastics and other materials involved? However, I do agree that solar is indeed a good alternative, especially if you choose to capture the solar radiation from outside the atmosphere where it's not filtered and much more plentyful ).
>>7082463
All magical girls fight something, thus they terrorize that something, thus according to your definition magical girls can't be magical girls, or they can't exist at all (not even in fiction).

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:52:39 2011 No.7082525 /jp/ - Solar panels/General

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:54:39 2011 No.7082530 Looks like the nuclear reactors have completely eclipse the tsunami and the earthquake on Japanese news.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 02:54:39 2011 No.7082532

>>7082510
You're one of those faggots that believes airplanes are more dangerous than cars, because you always hear about airplanes crashing. You have no concept of statistical probability, or what it means when considering how "dangerous" something is. Guess what: nuclear power is safe. You are more likely to win the lottery than be anywhere near a nuclear meltdown, especially considering that lotteries are far more common than nuclear power plants, and you have greater odds of winning in any given one. You are far more likely to die in a car crash than in an airplane disaster. You are more likely to be knifed by a negro in a bad neighborhood than die from a terrorist attack.

Everything you see on the news is wrong. Surprise!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:56:39 2011 No.7082538 >>7082532 Would it be a radioactive negro? Or just your garden variety?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:57:39 2011 No.7082543

>Explosion at Tepco's Fukushima Daiichi plant heard around 0630 GMT - media
>NHK footage shows steam-like smoke coming from Tepco's Fukushima plant
>Japan Nuclear Safety Commission: still trying to confirm if there was an explosion at Fukushima plant; Several people appear to have been injured after reported Fukushima plant explosion - Jiji

Holy shit

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 02:57:39 2011 No.7082546

Nuclear reactors don't explode like nuclear bombs. It's not physically possible.

As for how a reactor works, control rods (made of radioactive material) are lowered into water, where the heat generated from the control rod decay boils the water into steam, which is then used to pump turbines. The excess heat is stripped from the water through the thermodynamic process of a heat exchanger (like an air-conditioning coil), essentially a second pipe system full of water, the non-irradiated water is pumped to the cooling towers and vented to the atmosphere.

The greatest danger of a meltdown is the threat of the reactor core ( the control rods) melting through the floor of the reactor and into the ground, where they will hit the water table below ground causing a massive steam explosion, which can potentially throw radioactive debris over a wide area of land and poison the water table.

Also there's a chance that the reactor housing can melt and the building catching fire as was the case in the 1983 Chernobyl disaster, where the core was exposed to the atmosphere during the subsequent fire, irradiating the ash thrown off by the fire and the prevailing winds happily carried the "fallout" all over Pripyat and the surrounding area resulting in the Zone we all know and love today.

If the reactor does meltdown, then we can expect a good portion of Miyagi Prefecture to be evacuated for the next 50 or so years.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:00:39 2011 No.7082563

>>7082532
Oh really?
Because I hear everyday about how good and clean nuclear energy is on the news, and absolutely no mention of nuclear waste radioactivity lasting milennia and having to bury it because they don't know how to get rid of it.
Gee, sure is clean.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:01:39 2011 No.7082565 >>7082538 How do you defend against a radioactive negro? Just like every other kind: .45 ACP.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:01:39 2011 No.7082566
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DON'T PANIC
Everything is Fine. There is not 5 nuclear cores in fusion...whoops, I mean there is only one melting core and everything is under control thanks to the nuclear coolant delivered this night by our american friends.

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>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:02:39 2011 No.7082573 >>7082543 >Japan Nuclear Safety Agency: has heard explosion was not at reactor Durr.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:02:39 2011 No.7082576 >>7082543 no source not enough information not credible

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:03:39 2011 No.7082579 >>7082532 Sorry man, I don't watch TV, nice try though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:04:39 2011 No.7082580 >>7082566 Requesting the NASA-versus-moon-rabbits picture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:04:39 2011 No.7082582 >>7082576 Watch NHK int right now. THere has been an explosion with injuries and the evacuation radius was extended to 10 km.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:04:39 2011 No.7082584 >>7082563 Sounds like you need to get out of the Cold War.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:05:39 2011 No.7082592 Isn't this white smoke steam from the reactor?

>>	Anonymous !ywVgXTwd3Q Sat Mar 12 03:05:39 2011 No.7082594 >>7082576 http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2?ShowComments=0 >captcha: Verbatim llobalt

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:05:39 2011 No.7082598 File: 157 KB, 1440x810, 1299916654363.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It seems to have exploded.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:06:39 2011 No.7082599

>>7082563
you didn't read this >>7082485
">And the fission products are still highly active for millenia to come.
Yes, SOME fission products are active. U-238 has a half life of about 4.468 billion years, of course this means it is very unlikely to release any radiation over the course of an average human life span, rendering it safe.

Other isotopes like Sr-90 have a half live of 28.8 years, it is significantly more radioactive, but decays quicker. Even more pronounced is Co-60 with a half life around 5 years if I remember correctly.

Basic rule. More radioactive = shorter half-life
less radioactive = longer half-life

At least do some research before you talk about radionuclide half-lives."

No highly radioactive material, such as a strong gamma emitter like Co-60, lasts a millenia. They decay long before then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:06:39 2011 No.7082600 >>7082514 Only it is settled. Greenhouse effect is a basic law of physics that has been known for over a century. Stop being ignorant (or feigning it).

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:07:39 2011 No.7082609

>>7082563
Do you realize that impurities in coal, when burned for power, actually release more radioactive waste into the air in cities each year than all the world's nuclear reactors can generate?
Obviously not, or you wouldn't be bitching about this, since fossil fuels and nuclear power are the only efficient energy sources.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:07:39 2011 No.7082615 >>7082217 even if they have a nuclear transient, the containment vessel should be able to withstand the explosion. So no Chernobyl. At the very worst it'd be a Three Mile Island.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:08:39 2011 No.7082622 Isn't the core already dead?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:09:39 2011 No.7082623 >>7082573 hurr who implied that? Also >Several people appear to be injured at Fukushima nuclear plant - NHK

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:09:39 2011 No.7082626 >>7082615 Containment building could have been compromised by several factors.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:09:40 2011 No.7082624 >>7082600 Oh really? How do you explain climate changes and temporal temperature peaks happening long before humans started emiting CO2?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:10:39 2011 No.7082629

>>7082592

The steam that comes out of the cooling tower is inert. It's never been exposed to the control rods so it contains no radioactive material in it. It runs through a heat exchanger to pull heat from the pipes that do carry radioactive steam.

CCN did say they had to to vent some of the radioactive steam from the core however, they had to lower the pressure in the core and some cesium escaped into the atmosphere.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:10:39 2011 No.7082630 >>7082598 Is there a stream of that channel?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:10:39 2011 No.7082635 >>7082598 Impossible, I'm watching the NHK live stream on NND and there's nothing like that.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:11:39 2011 No.7082637

Honestly one problem I have about the climate change debate and green energy is: Nothing bad is coming from switching to less wasteful habits, maybe if the climate change thing is a hoax, its not like we're any worse for changing.

It boils down to: you ask "why?", I ask "why not?"

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:11:39 2011 No.7082638 >>7082609 He's not defending fossil fuel, but clean alternative energy sources. And before you say they wouldn't be enough to sustain cities, that's just because no investment has been done on them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:13:39 2011 No.7082643 >>7082630 First red link on front page of nicodouga. They say "explosion" a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:13:39 2011 No.7082645 It's a light water reactor. Even if it did meltdown it won't be a Chernobyl. Sorry

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:13:39 2011 No.7082646 Outer structure of building that houses reactor at Fukushima plant appears to have blown off - NHK

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:13:39 2011 No.7082647 >>7082600 Oh really? How do you explain climate changes and temporal temperature peaks happening long before humans started emiting CO2 from their machines?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:13:39 2011 No.7082648
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>Friends and I plan a trip to Japan in March this year
>I am the driving force behind the trip, as a few of them had been before and I just really wanted to get out of the country for a while
>I was set to go, yet two of my friends backed out at the beginning of the year
>I beg them to reconsider
>they don't budge and say we can go at a later time this year
>mfw I see this shit happening now

God, I could have killed us all.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:13:39 2011 No.7082649
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>>7082600
>>7082563
>>7082510
>>7082457
I'm starting to wonder if you're a creationist. Because you're ignorance rivals that of the top creationist minds.
I am 100% certain your knowledge of science extends as far back as a fairly spotty memories of high school biology. As you have clearly demonstrated you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:14:39 2011 No.7082653

>>7082563
What is your solution then? The current status quo is bad; fossil feul power sources are filthy, dangerous, and unsustainable. Wind/Solar/Geo/Tidal can work in limited areas but are not considered viable to support a power infrastructure of any modern nation and apparently you won't consider nuclear an option.
Do we just close our eyes and wish hard enough until the sparkling stardust power pixies descent from the heavens to bestow us with magical everlasting energy?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:14:39 2011 No.7082654

The most devastating thing about Chernobyl was the fire within the reactor. The smoke from that is what irradiated such a wide area.

A fire like that is simply impossible with modern reactors since there are no graphite rods to burn. Then there's the containment vessel as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:14:39 2011 No.7082656 >>7082624 "We have proof that you stabbed that person in the neck." "Yeah, how do you explain other people dying before him?" That's the gist of your "argument".

>>	Dead !Mau55LLxj. Sat Mar 12 03:14:39 2011 No.7082657 CNN reporting an explosion. ...is this in real time or what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:15:39 2011 No.7082661 >>Outer structure of building that houses reactor at Fukushima plant appears to have blown off - NHK Shit's getting real

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:15:39 2011 No.7082662 >>7082649 >I'm not going to explain why, but you're wrong. Trust me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:16:39 2011 No.7082666 File: 230 KB, 957x1129, 1299917368483.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] explosion occurred

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:17:39 2011 No.7082669 File: 145 KB, 1440x810, 1299917505237.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:17:39 2011 No.7082673 >>7082649 Cool argument bro.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:17:39 2011 No.7082675

>>7082638
My best friend works in solar cell development, actually.
When they reach their maximum theoretical efficiency, sure, but today solar power is not a viable alternative.
And we're talking about today, not a decade or two from now.
From today's technology, you can't beat nuclear power.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:18:39 2011 No.7082677 >>7082662 no no, enlighten me. What is it that you know that I don't?

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:18:39 2011 No.7082679

>>7082637
>>7082638
Current "alternatives" cannot meet current or future needs, are inefficient, not cost/space conscious, are just living in a fantasy world, or require materials we are in short supply of (especially solar power, here).

Nuclear power is a tried, true, and relatively effective way of generating power. It took a tsunami just to make one do what it's doing in Japan, and everything indicates that all safety measures are working as intended.

Incidents are going to occur. If it had been a solar farm that the tsunami damaged, it would've cost an amount greater than building one measly nuclear plant. Much greater. We should be prepared for nuclear incidents to occur. Probability dictates that they will. But seeing as the last release of any radioactive material was 40 years ago, that's a pretty safe track record, especially in comparison to the numerous refinery disasters, oil spills, etc. that have occurred.

Nuclear power has been endlessly vilified by people that are so supposedly smart that they should know better, and it still remains a perfectly reasonable alternative to coal/oil.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:19:39 2011 No.7082681 >>7082677 I know that the greenhouse warming theory isn't a "crock of shit."

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:19:39 2011 No.7082682 What % of a chance that this thing will actually go off?

>>	Dead !Mau55LLxj. Sat Mar 12 03:19:39 2011 No.7082683 >>7082666 >>7082669 Anybody care to explain what this is? Fucking CNN is telling shit about Tsunamis. NOBODY CARES.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:19:39 2011 No.7082685 >>7082656 Yeah, only it's not.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:20:39 2011 No.7082690 >>7082635 >Impossible, I'm watching the NHK live stream on NND and there's nothing like that. Not the person you're replying to, but it was on the Fuji TV channel. I'm watching both NHK and Fuji; NHK didn't show it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:21:39 2011 No.7082692 >>7082681 Then Climatologist have confused you in order to secure their high positions and salaries.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:21:39 2011 No.7082694 >Explosion Oh fuck you all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:21:39 2011 No.7082695 File: 332 KB, 1440x810, 1299917869780.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:21:39 2011 No.7082696 >>7082683 There were 4 reactor containment buildings. Now there are three.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:21:39 2011 No.7082700 >>7082657 No, CNN is reporting from the future. What they report will come true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:22:39 2011 No.7082701 >>7082690 I guess that explains it.

>>	Dead !Mau55LLxj. Sat Mar 12 03:22:39 2011 No.7082706 >>7082700 Well because DTV is stupid as fuck sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:22:39 2011 No.7082707 >>7082692 Are you one of those crazies that think doctors make up illnesses to squeeze more money from people?

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:23:39 2011 No.7082708

>>7082681
I never said it was a crock of shit. There are people other than me posting here as well. I am aware that the green house theory is well established. I am also aware that switching to nuclear energy will cut green house gas emissions. And that fossil fuels will increase gases like CO2 in the atmosphere and potentially lead to a warming trend, but we need more data to verify that.

Did you know this?
Any other arguments you want to make?

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:23:39 2011 No.7082710

>Tepco says explosion may have been hydrogen used to cool Fukushima plant - Kyodo; Tepco says 4 people taken to hospital after reported explosion, no word on condition - Jiji

A fire in the outer structure caused by heat loss or the earthquake. No indication that the reactor is further compromised.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:23:39 2011 No.7082711 >>7082692 Ne, anon, it means that you're thoroughly retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:23:39 2011 No.7082712 File: 434 KB, 904x3112, 1299910429353.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Meanwhile, in the US...

>>	mahou shoujo meduka !meguca4YtA Sat Mar 12 03:24:39 2011 No.7082714 >>7082682 0.000000009%

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:24:39 2011 No.7082718
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>Tepco says explosion may have been hydrogen used to cool Fukushima plant - Kyodo; Tepco says 4 people taken to hospital after reported explosion, no word on condition - Jiji

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:24:39 2011 No.7082719 >>7082708 You responded to a guy who said "greenhouse effect is a basic law of physics that has been known for over a century" with "you're a retard." This makes you a backpedaling faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:25:39 2011 No.7082722 >>7082719 >>7082708 Hey niggers, the plant just exploded, know your fucking argument off and panic with us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:25:39 2011 No.7082723 For the first time in history, the end of an entire country is currently broadcasted live. Science, you never cease to amaze me

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:25:39 2011 No.7082726 File: 51 KB, 305x305, g.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >refuse US coolant for reactors >meltdown

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:26:39 2011 No.7082731

>>7082712
Hahaha oh wow.

You know, I saw these kinds of posts on 4chan too, but I always assumed it was people trying to be funny and trying to troll. But that's just nuts.

Well what are you going to do about it? This is America, people are entitled to their reprehensible views of the world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:26:39 2011 No.7082733 Holy fucking shit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU&feature=player_detailpage#t=43s

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:26:39 2011 No.7082734 File: 445 KB, 320x180, fuku1299918285460.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] fukushima plant

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:26:39 2011 No.7082736 >>7082679 Radioactive waste is still more harmful than any CO2 emission could be.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:27:39 2011 No.7082739 >>7082731 I didn't realize there were people out there who don't believe in the existence of dumb people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:27:39 2011 No.7082740 >>7082726 So much for JAPANESE PRIDE

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:27:39 2011 No.7082741 >>7082722 A part of the plant exploded. That doesn't indicate that the reactor's containment is compromised. You are aware that earthquakes can damage more than just the reactor, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:27:39 2011 No.7082743 File: 13 KB, 444x346, 1277359427224.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082723 Jeez, you people are so dramatic

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:27:39 2011 No.7082744

CNN is cycling through the rest of the news so the explosion isn't major or hasn't been revealed to be major. If it was, they'd focus immediately on it instead of mentioning it for 30 seconds and moving on. Hell, they switched to their crew who had drove for a good 18 hours to reach the area near the epicenter where there was nothing crazy happening and I think that was only because of the time they had driven.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:29:39 2011 No.7082751 >>7082736 Okay, so alternative energy sources aren't the only things that function well in fantasy worlds. Apparently you do, too.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:29:39 2011 No.7082752

>>7082666
>>7082669
Would an explosion leave so much of the inner structure of the building in tact? High temperatures plus the force of the water vapor over the area would have virtually melted the inner structure together. This does not in any way resemble an explosion. It's way to clean. Plus where is that mirage effect you get when refractive indicies change between cold air and hot air. The air inside the reactor was several thousand degrees right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:29:39 2011 No.7082753 >>7082714 Okay good. I'm obviously very out of the loop, thanks for clarifying though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:29:39 2011 No.7082755 >>7082726 You ever played stalker? This is just to clear people out so they can perform illegal experiments in secret. Such is life Fukushima.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:30:39 2011 No.7082758 >>7082741 You really fucking hid your trip until now, where you gave away the fact you've been posting anonymous this whole time. What a loser. HEY EVERYONE HE IS LOSING AN INTERNET ARGUMENT. OH SHIT! OH FUCK! I HAVE TO DEFEND MY HONOR!

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:30:39 2011 No.7082759

>>7082741
>>7082752
Just watch the video. This IS the containment building.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU&feature=player_detailpage#t=43s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU&feature=player_detailpage#t=43s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU&feature=player_detailpage#t=43s

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:30:39 2011 No.7082762

>>7082723
>For the first time in history, the end of an entire country is currently broadcasted live.

The same could have been said of the Iraq invasion as millions of viewers around the world saw on live television the Shock and Awe campaign in their living rooms.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:30:39 2011 No.7082763 >>7082758 You are very stupid.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:31:39 2011 No.7082768

>>7082707
They have, its called ADD, and apparently all kids have it, and it must be treated with amphetamines that the child will take until death. Its not surprising to see pharmaceutical companies making up "diseases" to make kids addicts to their products.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:31:39 2011 No.7082773 >>7082712 Not a single person there was alive for ww2, and most of them probably think the US was the superhero nation that single-handedly cockslapped Hitler while nuking Japan with footballs and apple pie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:31:39 2011 No.7082776 >>7082762 Yugoslavia collapsed with the cameras running.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:32:39 2011 No.7082778 Waiting warmly for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. - Japanese edition.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:32:39 2011 No.7082781 >>7082763 While I appreciate the vote of confidence, fake-kun, you don't have to speak for me. >>7082758 You are INCREDIBLY stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:32:39 2011 No.7082782 File: 291 KB, 1000x1363, d1868120b207b1f8437b65fe4e47b2de.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Goddamn it Utsuho...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:33:39 2011 No.7082789 >>7082708 >potentially lead to a warming trend, but we need more data to verify that No, the warming trend is being observed for decades.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:33:39 2011 No.7082790 >stalker >in japan MY MONEY

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:34:39 2011 No.7082791 Well as long as there is no smoke/fire from the containment vessel then we're still good I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:34:39 2011 No.7082792 >>7082736 >Radioactive waste is still more harmful than any CO2 emission could be. Yup, you have no clue what you're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:34:39 2011 No.7082793 God damn it, I was supposed to study today, but now I'm way too upset and frustrated... :(

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:34:39 2011 No.7082797 >>7082781 I wasn't following the thread as closely as I should have (or shouldn't have, given that it's an eyesore). I thought we had more of us in here and that's where the confusion was coming from.

>>	kuzutetsu !lJ9yYsXoKQ Sat Mar 12 03:34:39 2011 No.7082798 File: 2.17 MB, 1920x1080, www.dotup.org1416759.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] goodbye 4chan It is awful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:34:39 2011 No.7082799 What is happening? Neither CNN nor BBC are covering it. Did it really explode?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:35:39 2011 No.7082802 File: 198 KB, 800x446, nuke_fallout.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:35:39 2011 No.7082804 inb4 3-11-11 is an inside job.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:36:39 2011 No.7082809

Many scientists protested when seeing their names on papers defending nuclear energy that they didn't write.
You should really inform yourself, and by yourself I mean not just eating what the TV feeds you.
This and higher levels of climate changes has happened since this planet's existence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:36:39 2011 No.7082811 >>7082802 I call bullshit

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:36:39 2011 No.7082814 It's a homemade Hiroshima

>>	Dead !Mau55LLxj. Sat Mar 12 03:36:39 2011 No.7082815 >>7082802 I call bullshit. If that were the case, we would have gotten a shitton from WW2.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:37:39 2011 No.7082817

>>7082789
Regarding climates, you cannot observe warming trends FOR DECADES and then make determinations for hundreds of years out, especially when all your measurements are taken from cities, where urban warming is a real phenomenon. How about you really measure some rural environments for about a century or more before you think you can map out something as complex as the climate for centuries ahead.

Factor in that the warmest temperatures in recorded history occurred centuries ago, and you have to wonder how we can say we're approaching the warmest temperatures in history. We're still chill and cool in comparison to Europe in ye olde times.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:37:39 2011 No.7082819 >>7082815 >he's taking anything in this thread seriously >laughing okuu

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:38:39 2011 No.7082821 >>7082804 It was reported that where the Pacific and North American tectonic plates meet, a half-eaten bagel was found. Officials are investigating.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:38:39 2011 No.7082822
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All day long
>NOTHINGS GONNA HAPPEN, CHERNOBYL EXPLODED YOUR AN IDIOT FOR THINKING SOMETHING WILL HAPPEN
Yea but it's pretty..
>OH JUST SHUT UP SHUT UP!
>Explosion
>Their face when

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:38:39 2011 No.7082827 >>7082802 LOOKS LIKE I'D BETTER GET MY STALKER GEAR READY

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:38:39 2011 No.7082828 >Fukushima prefecture says Tepco's no.1 reactor ceiling has collapsed - Jiji

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:38:39 2011 No.7082829 >>7082762 >>7082776 Even Charlie Sheen broadcasts his show.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:38:39 2011 No.7082830 File: 765 KB, 626x884, 3802cbfacccea4c069b6f2d29acd76a7.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082790

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:39:39 2011 No.7082832 >>7082817 Just kidding, rural temperature trends have also gone up considerably, the scientific community agrees, don't bother them about it. http://www.socratesparadox.com/Temperatures/Peterson_et_al_1999.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:39:39 2011 No.7082833 >>7082821 Haarp >>7082734 >>7082733 yeah shit doesnt blow up because it wants too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:39:39 2011 No.7082835 >>7082802 750 rads really is not that much.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:39:39 2011 No.7082838

>>7082759
Okay. It appears to have been a steam explosion based on the clip you provided.

Fortunately, the area was evacuated, now the radiation will be swept up by the wind and sea and dispersed to a low concentration well below the maximum recommended dose.

It all works out in the end. Everything's done so stop creating unnecessary drama.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:40:39 2011 No.7082841

1. Lost decade
2. Declining birth rate
3. Rapidly aging population
4. China encroaching on its territory
5. Loss of second biggest economy status
6. Biggest earthquake in recorded history
7. Tsunami that hasn't gone away yet
8. Potential 2 nuclear meltdowns

Japan is on the road to getting fucked.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:40:39 2011 No.7082842 >>7082822 The explosion was not the reactor 1015 mS radiation detected around the plant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:40:39 2011 No.7082844 >>7082838 >An explosion will never happen >Okay so it exploded, big deal, not like anything else can happen > Should I fill in the next greentext for you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:41:39 2011 No.7082845 >>7082821 I lol'd.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:41:39 2011 No.7082853 File: 66 KB, 679x427, 1279645368032.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082844 lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:42:39 2011 No.7082857 File: 74 KB, 401x400, 1299057741526.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082829

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Sat Mar 12 03:42:39 2011 No.7082861 The /v/a/b/ is strong in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:42:39 2011 No.7082863 Goodbye, Japan. It was fun while it lasted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCLoNOYcVQU

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:42:39 2011 No.7082865 03-11-11 + 9-11-01 = 12-22-12

>>	Dead !Mau55LLxj. Sat Mar 12 03:43:39 2011 No.7082869 >>7082865 NIGGER WHAT

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:44:39 2011 No.7082871 >>7082802 What about Central-South america? Could it reach dangerous levels there? I have some family there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:44:39 2011 No.7082873 >>7082789 you need to be educated about climate change. Watch some of his other videos on climate change if you have the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU_AtHkB4Ms

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:45:39 2011 No.7082878 >>7082873 Oh, go fuck your videos. Youtube has lecture series that purport to refute anything you would like.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:46:39 2011 No.7082886

>>7082817
Yes, you fucking can, if the changes are of this scale, the data is that unambiguous, and you have predicted what will happen decades before that.

>all your measurements are taken from cities

No. Stop repeating denialist lies.

>warmest temperatures in recorded history occurred centuries ago

1998 or 2010 (depending on which measurements you choose) were not centuries ago.

>We're still chill and cool in comparison to Europe

First of all, that's a lie, we're not. Europe hasn't been that hot for thousands of years.

Second of all, even if we were, Europe is not the whole world. The GLOBAL mean temperature is what matters, not what's ouside of your door.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:46:39 2011 No.7082893

>>7082844
I never said an explosion would never happen, I believe I said was:

"Now if the steam pressure built to a high enough level to compromise the structural integrity of the containment building then yes it could rupture and throw out some radioactive fallout. However a smart team of physicists would vent the reactor slowly releasing gases with trace amounts of radioactive fission fragments over time.

A large dose of radiation is only dangerous over a short Δt.
An equivalent dose of radiation to the first given over a much larger Δt is significantly less dangerous.

Venting radiation is smart. You would only be exposed to trace amounts over a large time period, it would barely have radiation levels above the cosmic background radiation. It is 100% safe it would prevent a meltdown with minimal exposure to radionuclides."

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:47:39 2011 No.7082898 File: 51 KB, 636x700, article-1365333-0D92BB85000005DC-683_636x700.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Uh-oh...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:47:39 2011 No.7082900 File: 249 KB, 580x742, 1299886182351.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082863

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:47:39 2011 No.7082901 File: 335 KB, 1422x817, wat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] wtf are you doing /jp/

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:47:39 2011 No.7082903 http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.nuclear/

>>	Dead !Mau55LLxj. Sat Mar 12 03:47:39 2011 No.7082904 >>7082898 That was from the Oil Refinery.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:47:39 2011 No.7082906 Government guy who hasn't slept yet talking about the explosion now. All channels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:48:39 2011 No.7082909 >>7082898 are people on this board fucking stupid? a nuclear reactor failure would not look like a nuclear bomb explosion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:48:39 2011 No.7082910 >>7082893 I'm not talking to you, I've been arguing with idiots trying to talk down a disaster all night regardless of the situation. You're just another one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:48:39 2011 No.7082911 >>7082909 It would look like hundreds of simultaneous nuclear bomb detonations. Japan really doesn't know what they're getting into.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:49:39 2011 No.7082913 >>7082838 Yeah, so it would really have to level the entire city for you to admit there's a problem. Goddamn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:49:39 2011 No.7082914 File: 5 KB, 126x102, coolface.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082911

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:49:39 2011 No.7082915

>>7082878
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And you're not a denialist?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:49:39 2011 No.7082917 >>7082712 Looks like the average american IQ isn't getting any higher.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:49:39 2011 No.7082918 What's that government guy saying?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:50:39 2011 No.7082926 >>7082913 >"hmm, nah. That is controllable, you idiots are overreacting, look how calm I am."

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:51:39 2011 No.7082930 File: 890 KB, 1000x1000, 1281134962509.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] QUICKLY, someone get these papercraft radiation detector plans to the Japanese! http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/atomic/pdf/kfm_inst.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:51:39 2011 No.7082931 >>7082915 If you have any basic reading comprehension skills, the answer to your question should be immediately clear.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:51:39 2011 No.7082934 >>7082712 sometimes i really hate america. fucking retards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:51:39 2011 No.7082935 >>7082906 It shows.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:51:39 2011 No.7082937 >>7082906 Link

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:52:39 2011 No.7082939 >Okay, not much to translate in the press conference; the authorities don't really know what's going on either. oh lawd

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:52:39 2011 No.7082940 http://live.nicovideo.jp No account needed. Other links in thread should all be showing it too.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:52:39 2011 No.7082942
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"Worlwide Nuclear Chain Reaction", that's what you should be studying right now.

Few people know it. But Mayan Calendar was out of line from one year. Mayan's 2012 is in fact 2011 in our Gregorian calendar .

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:52:39 2011 No.7082943 The current detected levels around the plant are not immediately fatal, and the winds are still blowing seaward.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:53:39 2011 No.7082945 Meanwhile, in the Fukushima No. 1 control room: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BU_l1ysPfM

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:53:39 2011 No.7082948 File: 300 KB, 1280x1024, Photoshop_The_nuclear_explosion___bomb_011528_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] DAIJOUBU?!

mahou shoujo meduka !meguca4YtA Sat Mar 12 03:53:39 2011 No.7082949

White Ren, do you seriously believe that climate change is a hoax?
I know it goes with your party line (you're a right wing kook, iirc), but there's plenty of evidence for a planetary warming trend since the Industrial Revolution, not only around cities where smog is at its thickest. The majority of scientists agreed about it twenty years ago.

Amusingly, I read the argument you're espousing in the back of a Michael Crichton novel once. It was the one with the man-killing gorillas in the Congo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:54:39 2011 No.7082953 I don't even know why I have the NHK stream running. I don't even speak Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:54:39 2011 No.7082954 >>7082940 Nothing is playing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:55:39 2011 No.7082956 File: 485 KB, 1131x800, okuu otoko.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Blowout soon, fellow youkai...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:55:39 2011 No.7082961 >>7082953 This. That guy looks like hell though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:55:39 2011 No.7082963 >>7082931 Well let's see, I presented you a source that you have flatly refused to look at. You have presented me no sources for any of your claims. I think you are in denial sir.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:55:39 2011 No.7082965 >>7082942 Mayan 12.19.19.17.19. is our 2012. It'd also be equivalent to our December 31. Then you go to the next calendar.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:56:39 2011 No.7082967 >>7082953 Go to CNN live stream is showing NHK world in english. Not sure if they're translating Yukio's talk right now or not. He's just repeating what news people have been saying all day anyway except now with an explosion.

>>	kuzutetsu !lJ9yYsXoKQ Sat Mar 12 03:56:39 2011 No.7082968 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KhQ9U5bpUM

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:56:39 2011 No.7082970 "Don't listen to anybody but the media" I don't know how to take this, the media could be downplaying it and its actually bad, or that they're afraid of dumbasses on the internet blowing things out of proportion. You take it how you wish!

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:57:39 2011 No.7082974 >>7082970 if anything the media has a way of upplaying things

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:57:39 2011 No.7082975 >>7082963 IPCC. Oh look, we're at an impasse, because neither of us want to take the time to look through each other's shit.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:58:39 2011 No.7082977
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I think we should be more concerned about the fires at the oil refinery versus the nuclear power plant. A meltdown would be bad, but as long as it's contained to one area (meaning no visible evidence of explosions), the damage won't be as catastrophic or widespread.

We should be more concerned at Sendai going all Hexus on us.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:59:39 2011 No.7082984 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LQ0Cl3wBa0 GATHER AROUND THE FIRE FELLOW OTAKU

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:59:39 2011 No.7082989 >>7082953 I turned it off and am currently listening to Ai Wo Torimodose.

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 03:59:39 2011 No.7082991

It's pointless to argue climate change. I am studying nuclear and particle physics. I'm about as qualified to speak on climate change as I am on Darwinism. I frankly don't care about either one. I care about nuclear physics, which is why I am posting in this thread. But I think that topic got lost somewhere along the way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:00:39 2011 No.7082992 >I don't know how to take this, the media could be >downplaying it > the media could be downplaying it > downplaying it Hey, thats why they were invented in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:00:39 2011 No.7082993 >>7082949 Absolutely wrong. Why don't you count each scientist, including the ones that said their names were put in studies not written by them? There's no consensus on it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:01:39 2011 No.7082998 >>7082975 I'll look at your sources, you just need to provide them first.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:01:39 2011 No.7082999 >>7082865 Autism is strong in this one. Looking for patterns until one hits. You can make a program which will find senseless numerology patterns in any kind of data you give it to match any expectations you want.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:03:39 2011 No.7083004 >>7082999 >implying he was serious

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:03:39 2011 No.7083006 >>7082999 Autism is strong ITT.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:03:39 2011 No.7083008 >>7082999 nope not at all. it the craze on /sp/ right now.

>>	Kaguya is a !BEaRD8DGAI Sat Mar 12 04:04:39 2011 No.7083010 File: 231 KB, 620x347, Screen shot 2011-03-12 at 1.02.50 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:04:39 2011 No.7083014 >>7082975 There same IPCC that perpetrated outright fraud by fudging their numbers?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:04:39 2011 No.7083016 ＡＴＯＭＩＣＥＮＥＲＧＹＲＥＰＲＥＳＥＮＴＩＴＩＶＥＩＳＴＡＬＫＩＮＧ

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:05:39 2011 No.7083018 File: 185 KB, 720x430, 21bnj90.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7082984 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHHsfpl8aPU

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:05:39 2011 No.7083021

>>7082993
>The scientific consensus is clearly expressed in the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
> In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members' expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements.
> That hypothesis was tested by analyzing 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the keywords "climate change."
>Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.
Oreskes, The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change, Science 306 (2004).

>>7082998
It's fuckheug. You won't want to.
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/contents.html

>>7082999
The real autist is the one who takes posts like that seriously.

MAGICAL TRIPS

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:06:39 2011 No.7083022
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1 rad = 0.01 Sv

750 rads= 7.5 Sv

Exposure

6–8Sv

Nausea and vomiting 100%
Time of onset - 60min
Duration - 48h
Diarrhea - Heavy (10%)
Time of onset 1-2h
Headache - Moderate(80%)
Time of onset 3-4h
Fever - High (100%)
Time of onset - <1h
CNS function - Cognitive impairment >20 h
Overt illness :
Severe leukopenia;
High fever;
Diarrhea;
Vomiting;
Dizziness and disorientation Hypotension;
Electrolyte disturbance
Purpura;
Hemorrhage;
Infections;
Epilation
Fatigue;
Weakness

Mortality without medical care 95–100%
Mortality with medical care 50–100%

if this is true, america is fucked

the whole fucking world is goddamned to shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:06:39 2011 No.7083024 Someone make new thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:07:39 2011 No.7083029 >>7083014 Sometimes in 500 page reports people make mistakes. Astounding.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:07:39 2011 No.7083033 >>7083014 Source for this claim: >There same IPCC that perpetrated outright fraud by fudging their numbers? Other than the IPCC website. They obviously will not put up damning information on their own site. If it exists. Also, it's They're not There.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:08:39 2011 No.7083038 >>7083024 /jp/ has more than one page for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:10:39 2011 No.7083047 File: 1.31 MB, 1200x1450, a340209ab52aee31571adcc96b0b2a4c.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Japan chief cabinet secretary Edano: Confirms radiation leak at Fukushima plant

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:11:39 2011 No.7083049 >>7083029 >Sometimes in 500 page reports people make mistakes. Astounding. That's why we called Climatology, "Science for faggot". With all the billions they stole from governments, they can even wrote a 6-year-proper rapport.

Voile's other Hermit !!YEZvwvDFX75 Sat Mar 12 04:14:39 2011 No.7083065

Just gets better and better (worse and worse, love it!)

I really want sleep now, but I can't say its possible in this situation.

As for the media, meh...take it how you will, if you want to believe the whole world is going to DIIIIE, then have at you, but at the same time, if the media is downplaying this, its rather necessary if you think about it, do you think people are going to react well if they were being told their lifespans have just been cut to another day or so?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:14:39 2011 No.7083067 >>7083049 Joke's on you, the IPCC was staffed entirely by volunteers. And reports can be "proper" without being perfect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:14:39 2011 No.7083068 File: 504 KB, 1728x1152, www.dotup.org1416803.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:18:39 2011 No.7083081 File: 6 KB, 213x43, nicovideocount.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is nicovideo lagging for everyone else as well?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:18:39 2011 No.7083084 >>7083022 They have 1 Sv at the moment... what happens in that area?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:19:39 2011 No.7083092 Now the chief guy is explaining how radiation is totally natural so it's a-ok. http://www.ustwrap.info/multi/foxtokimekitonight::tbstv::yokosonews

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:20:39 2011 No.7083097 >>7083084 One milliSv, or "1,015 µSv" over about an hour. It's not deadly, but really not good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:21:39 2011 No.7083102 >>7083084 So long as you get out quickly, nothing. If you end up exposed for a few hours, you'll feel decently crappy for a day or so but no permanent damage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:23:39 2011 No.7083110 >>7083097 isnt 30Sv pretty much death

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:23:39 2011 No.7083113 Welp, time to go pick up some potassium iodide pills.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:24:39 2011 No.7083115 >>7083084 It's 1 mSv at the entrance to the plant, not the whole area. Nothing to worry about just yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:28:39 2011 No.7083125 >>7083097 >>7083115 the reason it's still in 'milli' is because the bulk of the radisation is still contain in the ever-failing containment building, once that gives away, boom, fallout 3 is reality

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:29:39 2011 No.7083136 >>7083125 and let's not forget, there's FOUR reactor in the plant, if one blows, there's a good chance it will be entirely evacuated, leaving the other 3 unattended and in danger of blowing as well

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:31:39 2011 No.7083145

>>7083097
Ah... I mistook micro for mili...
Phew...

Also: after a certain amount of radiation, there's something that's called 'The walking dead'-Phase or something.
Your tissue is so heavily destroyed, that after a short phase of fever and stuff, you wake up and everything seems fine. No pain, no direct problems that would indicate any major problems, normal signs as if only slightly radiated.
Then you die.

shit's scary... but to have this kind of death, you'd have to walk naked inside the Chernobyl Powerplant for half an hour...

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:31:39 2011 No.7083147 >>7083125 >boom, fallout 3 is reality >Fallout 3 takes place after a nuclear war

Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:33:39 2011 No.7083155

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x4BjTFrAxk

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

TIME IS RUNNING OUT, FOR PLANET EARTH

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:34:39 2011 No.7083162 >>7083147 i was being sarcastic you foo, it will still be a fallout anyway

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:42:39 2011 No.7083200 File: 51 KB, 640x480, 1299921852967.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] OH FUCK IT'S STARTING

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:49:39 2011 No.7083223 goddamnit man, the whole world is going to shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:52:39 2011 No.7083237 >>7083223 Settle down buttmuch. We don't know how much radiation has leaked, and only evacuation orders have been given for 10km near the plant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 04:59:39 2011 No.7083250 http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/japan-quake-leakage-idUSTKB00729820110312

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 05:01:39 2011 No.7083251 >>7083237 Apparently it has been raised to 20km.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 05:01:39 2011 No.7083252 Evacuation zone has been increased to 20KM, just no w

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 05:04:39 2011 No.7083257 I hope hope we get a lot more of natural disasters in the close future; seeing stupid people overreact on 4chan is one of the greatest joys in life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 05:05:39 2011 No.7083260 Hey guys, you can order geiger counters and potassium iodide pills here. http://www.ki4u.com/products1.php

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 05:07:39 2011 No.7083265 File: 62 KB, 638x577, pic1299919316.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 05:17:39 2011 No.7083293 File: 146 KB, 1440x810, 1299924952385.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 05:22:39 2011 No.7083306 File: 414 KB, 1248x1364, 1299925174591.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 05:47:39 2011 No.7083366 Someone needs to draw a Fukushima-tan, who is having trouble holding in her farts and might shit herself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 05:50:39 2011 No.7083372 Geiger Counters anyone? http://www.ki4u.com/products1.php Also how about we don't draw Fukushima-tan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 05:53:39 2011 No.7083379 >>7083306 That's horrible

>>	Kaguya is a !BEaRD8DGAI Sat Mar 12 06:55:39 2011 No.7083495 File: 211 KB, 592x331, Screen shot 2011-03-12 at 3.49.53 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] NUCLEAR REACTOR CONFIRMED FOR INTACT

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 07:55:39 2011 No.7083677 >>7083495 Kaguya, I tap my hat at your work you do here. Also is there a better thread, a sticky somewhere you would recommend?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 08:30:39 2011 No.7083786 File: 121 KB, 1440x810, 1299936501600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] more quakes?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 08:33:39 2011 No.7083799 File: 109 KB, 1440x810, 1299936714254.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7083786

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 08:45:39 2011 No.7083831 What did the guy on NHK just say about people and radiation?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 09:18:39 2011 No.7083910 File: 216 KB, 1280x720, 1299936316090.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Radiation poisoning of 190 people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 09:27:39 2011 No.7083932 File: 298 KB, 1440x810, 1299939793648.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 09:34:39 2011 No.7083953 File: 349 KB, 1440x810, 1299940261095.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 09:37:39 2011 No.7083958 File: 253 KB, 1440x810, 1299940551562.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] another emergency announcement

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 09:46:39 2011 No.7083978 File: 259 KB, 1440x810, 1299940907673.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this was the previous one. and another emergency announcement, a new earthquake at sea.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 09:48:39 2011 No.7083986 File: 184 KB, 1440x810, 1299941200445.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] here is the newest

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 09:51:39 2011 No.7083998 File: 248 KB, 1440x810, 1299940873217.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] image of the blown reactor housing

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 09:54:39 2011 No.7084003 File: 268 KB, 1440x810, 1299941350776.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7083998

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 10:40:39 2011 No.7084126 >>7084003 >>7083998 have they started pumping water on it already?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 11:46:39 2011 No.7084326 So if the current rate of disasters hitting Japan continues, can we expect comet impacts, plagues, and a visit from the antichrist in the coming week?

>>	Reckoner !BQ8n0a.rG. Sat Mar 12 12:18:39 2011 No.7084403 >>7084326 Yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 12 14:32:39 2011 No.7084915 News on the powerplan? I heard they officially anounced that the radiation is above the security levels, more info on that?

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