Ar Tonelico / GUST General # whatever

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Ar Tonelico / GUST General # whatever Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:20:38 2011 No.7115608 [Reply] [Original]

Let's try this again, with slightly less spoilers in the OP image.

Continued from >>7101567

Ar Tonelico For Lazy People Pack™:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5e2ttnrjtim3n4i

Contains torrents for the games along with the emulator installer and bios. Now updated with the latest PCsx2 SVN beta client, plugins are automatically included. Thanks to Anonymous for this.

AT2 Flash CS:
http://ar-ciel.org/uploads/miz/tks/2avs/

Lossless albums:

AT - All: http://www.hongfire.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=116396&d=1240137696
AT2 - All: http://www.hongfire.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=108204&d=1232984269
AT3 - OST: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=112183
AT3 - Hymmnos albums: http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=111040

Thanks to Yuyucow and Anonymous in previous threads for digging up the links. Foobar can play the .tta files but if you feel like converting them to .FLAC or whatever for your MP3 player/Media player of choice then Foobar also provides an easy convert tool. Takes about a minute to convert the albums over to FLAC.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:22:38 2011 No.7115611 >>7115608 You should feel thankful that the OP image failed to load for me.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:22:38 2011 No.7115612
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Utau Oka ~Ar=Ciel Ar=Dor~ is out! Download it here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?cim8496yi6mmvmi

AT3 Artbook - http://www.mediafire.com/?jrm2mg22mkx

AT visual book being scanned (at a low pace, don't hold your breath)
http://rapidshare.com/files/436804641/tonelico_pack2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/437185283/tonelico_pack3_Low.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/437190766/tonelico_pack3_Hi.rar

AT2 Raki bug patch - http://www.mediafire.com/?bp8ydy03ml7r5xa
You shouldn't need this if you're using the newest version (0.9.7) of PCSX2. Thanks to anonymous for uploading this!

Latest Technical Data Compilation Room Issue:
http://artonelico.isisview.org/wiki/index.php/Ar_Portal_translation/Ar_Ciel_Technical_Data_Compilati
on_Room/Issue_14

Latest Toukousphere Translation:
http://artonelico.isisview.org/wiki/index.php/Ar_Portal_translation/Toukousphere/Issue_107

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:22:38 2011 No.7115614 >>7115611 Was it really a spoiler? I only saw the thumbnail and it didn't really seem like one...

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:24:38 2011 No.7115621

Don't have the game yet but can someone explain this with no spoilers: from what I've read Finnel and Saki have 3 personality changes? And Soma? is Finnel? So do I hav to take Finnel route in order to enter Soma? Or is it not possible at all to "romance" soma.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:25:38 2011 No.7115624 >>7115614 I don't know. I just saw the other anon getting mad about it. Like I said, it failed to load for me, so I never saw it. Likely because I'm pulverizing my connection with torrents at the moment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:26:38 2011 No.7115626 What is GUST? I can only think of that artist who draws the coloured plotless Mahou Sensei Negima doujins.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:27:38 2011 No.7115634 >>7115614 It was hymn code related.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:27:38 2011 No.7115636 >>7115626 The developer that made the game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:28:38 2011 No.7115639 Drums, harp, castanets for the better girls.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:43:49 2011 No.7115668 >>7115639 First battle, and I do like two damage per hit and die in 3 hits... Am I doing something very wrong here? I assumed I was just supposed to die, but I guess this was not the case.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:44:49 2011 No.7115676 >>7115668 Oh, also that post was not meant to be a reply. I just clicked the reply thing to bring the window up, and forgot to delete the link thinger.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 12:53:38 2011 No.7115699 >>7115668 Turn the difficulty down to normal (assuming you're talking about ATQ here).

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 13:15:38 2011 No.7115753 >>7115621 anyone?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 13:29:38 2011 No.7115807 File: 233 KB, 900x600, a1566a847ec9a028b76be4e0158c849a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7115608 Should I get Qoga or Hyperdimension Neptunia....?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 13:30:38 2011 No.7115815 >>7115807 I dunno much about Neptunia, but people haven't really said many good things about it. I'd get Qoga, at least if you enjoyed the other Ar Tonelico games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 13:39:38 2011 No.7115852 >He who controls stripping, controls the battle. wat

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 13:45:38 2011 No.7115868 >>7115621 They are not personalities, also beware that diving in AT3 is different for reasons I won't spoil for you. I didn't dive into Saki so I don't know about her but Finnel's mindfuck is awesome.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 13:49:38 2011 No.7115885 >>7115815 Combat definitely looks better in Qoga, but there are more little girls in Neptunia, it has terrible voice acting though, and I don't think there's an option to have jap voices...

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 13:49:38 2011 No.7115886 >>7115807 If you want really horrible battles and a dated game in general then get either.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 14:16:38 2011 No.7115950

apparently i'm getting another copy of it with no cost
they sent me an email to apologize

>Dear Valued Customer,

>Your Ar tonelico Qoga order was one of a small number of orders that our warehouse shipped out as USPS First Class International (our most affordable shipping method), instead of the USPS Express International (our fastest USPS shipping method) method you selected. You may have already noticed this when you checked your tracking information. We understand that having your order shipped as quickly and carefully as possible is extremely important to you, so we have already re-shipped your item(s) with the proper shipping method. I am extremely sorry for the mix-up with your shipping and if you were one of the few people who receive a copy without an OST. Both of these errors were out of our hands and we are doing our best to rectify them, so we hope you won’t hold these issues against our Online Store or company in general.

>You will be receiving two duplicate shipments of the item(s) you ordered, which you are free to keep. If you decide you’d like to return one of the shipments, we ask that you only do so if it can be returned at little to no cost for you. For example, if you live in a country that will return refused items Internationally, you could refuse the second shipment. We can reimburse you for reasonable return shipping costs, but would rather have you just keep the items than have either of us pay to send them back.

should I send it back?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 14:18:38 2011 No.7115958 >>7115950 Send it to Jones or ZUN!bar.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 14:22:38 2011 No.7115963 These Cosmospheres are fucking expensive. On the one hand it's kind of nice that DP is actually worth something and not some meaningless formality, but on the other hand I have talk topic clearance up to Level 6 but can't even afford Level 4.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 16:26:38 2011 No.7116337
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>>7115868
Yeah, really looking forward to seeing how the cosmospheres in Qoga play out.

Maybe I'll get to play it next week, or something. If I'm lucky.

>Your item was accepted at 3:05 pm on March 15, 2011 in IRVINE, CA 92619. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.

;_;

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 16:57:38 2011 No.7116474

>>7115963
The DP costs actually decrease later, at around level 4 for each girl it goes up so you don't get the annoying "Play the story more before you can finish this!" message. I personally like it better then when it just flat out stops you from continuing.

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 17:34:38 2011 No.7116591
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>>7116337

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>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 17:40:38 2011 No.7116618 I fucking LOVE the art for these games but the games themselves are complete shit. feelsbadman,jpg

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 17:55:38 2011 No.7116691 can someone explain to me what this flash CS is about? is it some official release from gust which simply got fan translated or is it completely fanfiction?

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 17:58:38 2011 No.7116701 >>7116691 it's on the official site and it sometimes explains part of the game's mythos/setting. No one would bother if it were fanfiction written by a random fuckface.

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 18:00:38 2011 No.7116709 >>7116701 ah okay thanks, and what about the flash cs for ar1? will it be translated in the near future?

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 18:42:38 2011 No.7116845

>Includes official soundtrack and an artbook.
>European release. Comes with an original soundtrack.
Wait what!? I thought the Calender thing was the only thing that would be missing.

Ok, so why should I not simply import the thing? (Should have done so from the start... this is bullshit)

Anonymous Fri Mar 18 20:46:38 2011 No.7117280

>>7116845

Art book is available from GAME. Everywhere else is soundtrack only. And you better be quick about it (assuming you live in the UK) since they ran out of Neptunia's art book stupidly fast as I unfortunately found out..

>>7116337

I'm the same. They're taking a disturbingly long time to actually send the delivery, by the time it arrives my EU copy will already be here..

>>	Anonymous Fri Mar 18 21:26:38 2011 No.7117405 >>7117280 Does it have the soundtrack? I would argue it is more important.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 00:15:38 2011 No.7118054 FFFFFFF. it didn't ship today. guess mid next week then. Guess it's definitely NISA next time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 01:29:38 2011 No.7118334 >>7115950 Why the fuck would you do that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 01:41:38 2011 No.7118359 Both editions of ATQ are now sold out on NISA's store. Sucks to be those who didn't order in time, or wanted another copy for whatever reason.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 03:00:38 2011 No.7118513

AT3 arrivedi n the post this past week, but I've been playing through AT1 first because despite the stories not being connected, doing so is still recommended.
But I've heard that AT2 has a horrible translation, so would I miss anything major if I just skipped that one and moved straight to 3?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 03:04:38 2011 No.7118532 >>7118513 The translation wasn't unplayable bad or anything. It could have been better, but I still think AT2 was a pretty good game overall, and is worth playing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 03:07:38 2011 No.7118545 >>7118532 I'll go ahead and do that then. How long are AT1 and 2 anyway? I've got a four day weekend ahead of me, so I'd like to knock out AT1 and maybe half of AT2 before I head back to work on Wednesday.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 03:08:38 2011 No.7118551 >>7118545 They're both pretty long games, especially if you do a lot of the optional stuff. I'd say maybe 40 hours each, but it's been a while since I played them.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 03:30:38 2011 No.7118606

>>7118532
AT2 is one of my favorite games on the PS2, so I'd recommend a playthrough. There're also a bunch of little things they reference that bring a little smile to your face at times.

I just saw the exchange between Cocona and Sasha talking about Metafalss with Aoto, and I had the biggest grin on my face the whole time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 03:58:38 2011 No.7118649 >>7118513 1 & 2 are connected in a really cute way. You're gonna love it, especially in the cosmospheres and Jakuri's conversations

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 04:27:38 2011 No.7118700

>>7118545
I'd say AT1 is in the 30-35 hour range. AT2 is probably about 40 hours, give or take. Both, but especially AT2, can run a lot longer depending on how much of a completionist you are. If you're going replay them for all of the routes/endings, the branching point for the first game is about 1/3 of the way through the game, so it's not so bad, but the branching point for the second is practically at the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 04:37:38 2011 No.7118715 >>7118700 I figured I'd do one route on each game to the end, and after I've completed AT3 I'd go back and do other routes/sidequests in the first two games.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 07:25:38 2011 No.7119009

>>7117405

All EU copies of AT3 come with the CD, GAME comes with the art book included too as a pre-order incentive. But GAME only delivers to the UK so if you live in Europe you'll probably have to find someone who can forward the package from the UK to your country.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 07:45:38 2011 No.7119053 Not really understanding the point of the song synthesis thing... I see the Hyumas, and L1 L2 R1 R2, but what does setting them to those buttons do exactly? Also what are those elements used for?

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 09:09:38 2011 No.7119247

>>7119053
When you Purge with an Element, the Hyuma's effect comes into play; be it healing, more attack power, etcetera.

The elements also add said element as a bonus to the Vanguard's attacks. Some enemies are weak against some elements, so it can boost your damage by a milestone.

Also, man, beat the game already. That was pretty damn good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 09:12:38 2011 No.7119251 >>7119247 Ah, alright. Makes sense.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 10:03:38 2011 No.7119345
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UK fag here. OH GOD YES. Package just arrived despite the fact that I chose the cheapest delivery option and was told 2-3 weeks or something silly. Image related is me right now. God damn this box is.. hard to get into. I can see the little tab that you need to open but how the fuck do you get to it without damaging the box?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 10:06:38 2011 No.7119352 >>7119345 Push the part around the tab a little, take the tab out, and enjoy your glorious game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 10:07:38 2011 No.7119356 >>7119345 use a knif-OH WAIT >another quality joke brought to you by the ministry of BANNED IN ENGLAND™

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 10:20:38 2011 No.7119374

>>7119356

Hello American friend. The UK consists of more than England, just so you know for next time.

>>7119352

Worked perfectly. I was trying to pick at the top of the tab itself instead of pushing down to get the tab. CD, book and game all accounted for calendar too, of course so I'm rather happy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 10:32:59 2011 No.7119388 >>7119009 >But GAME only delivers to the UK Then, what did I just do?

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 10:35:38 2011 No.7119394

May I perchance ask, just how stripperrific is the box, the artbook and the calendar? Or anything else that may ship for that matter.

Not that I care all that much, but it might be unneccessary to have my grandma hanging over my shoulder while unpacking the thing for instance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 10:36:38 2011 No.7119395 File: 147 KB, 1200x927, ATQ Premium.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7119394 No suggestive art at all, actually. Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 11:10:38 2011 No.7119463 >>7119394 The calendar isn't included in the box set? Anyway, I thought the game's OST consisted of 2 discs?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 11:23:38 2011 No.7119503 >>7119463 One disc for the NISA release, and it's in the package in the same way the Neptunia cards were. Outside of it, I mean.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 11:41:38 2011 No.7119542 I wish I was an affluent individual like all of you and could afford a PS3. ;_;

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 11:44:38 2011 No.7119550

>>7119394

It's just a standard box. Inside the game is wrapped up in so much bubble wrap that you can barely see what it is and the calendar (if you got it) is underneath that. I wouldn't open it anywhere near family anyway simply because I don't show my power level but there's nothing bad showing if you don't mind that.

mugenjohncel !!lsNOT2DQXWT Sat Mar 19 12:47:38 2011 No.7119702

Don't be sad... I got my PS3 for like $500 when it was first released... now, it was considerably lower... much much lower...

Anyway, a word of advise... be careful when jailbreaking your PS3... I'm one of those unfortunate early jailbreakers using mod chip and now my PS3 is screwed and can no longer go online... just stick to the newer USB jailbreaks...

>>	mugenjohncel !!lsNOT2DQXWT Sat Mar 19 12:49:38 2011 No.7119707 >>7119702 This post was intended for >>7119542 Whoops...

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 13:11:38 2011 No.7119759

Oh wow, I've been standing around the old thread in the archive waiting for someone to link to the new thread, until I finally went and searched for one myself. Didn't know this was around.

Anyway, I still haven't played Qoga yet, waiting on getting an HDTV (in fact I'm holding off on playing any PS3 game that's not from PSN). Still have to complete Luca's route, too. It's a good thing R2 isn't used; on the emulator's gamepad settings I used R2 as a turbo for the X button. It's very, very handy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 13:12:38 2011 No.7119767 >>7119759 * Luca's route from AT2, that is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 15:02:38 2011 No.7120170 /jp/, I need your help. http://www.gametrailers.com/video/japanese-full-ar-tonelico/61119 The song that starts playing around 1:25, which song is that? I looked through the OST thrice, but I just can't seem to find it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 15:37:38 2011 No.7120277 >>7120170 EXEC_FLIP_ARPHAGE/. It's still the same song as the beginning actually, it just skips forward.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 15:45:38 2011 No.7120301 >>7120277 Thanks.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:08:38 2011 No.7120804

I think I saw someone bitching about the Clustanian District in a previous topic and I just want to echo that sentiment. It was alright the first time around, but the second and third and fourth times through it got kind of old. Why doesn't this game have a map? All of the areas of huge and every room, corridor, and pathway looks exactly the same.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:12:38 2011 No.7120824 what happens to shun during luca's route? i don't feel like playing her route but i'm kinda interested how shun got destroyed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:17:38 2011 No.7120860 I'm getting my ass kicked in AT3. I know to attack on the tall red lines but i'm barely surviving on normal and hard owns me, there has to be something i'm missing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:20:38 2011 No.7120878 >>7120860 Crafting equipment and abusing Purges/Hyumas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 17:21:38 2011 No.7120889 >>7120860 >barely surviving on normal Spam the square button.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 18:34:38 2011 No.7121192 >>7120860 Just grind more, all my characters are ~68 and I have yet to leave Fallen Heaven Peak.

Anonymous Sat Mar 19 18:41:38 2011 No.7121202

>>7120860
The game's kind of rough early on due to everyone being so frail, but once you have 10 or so levels under your belt and some decent equipment it gets a lot easier simply because everyone isn't constantly in danger of getting KO'd and your Reyvateil can survive being attacked for more than half a second.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 19:45:38 2011 No.7121417 tatsumi = cocona what the hell man they spoiled this shit in their art book

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 19:50:38 2011 No.7121423 >>7121417 I WARNED YOU DON'T READ THE ARTBOOK UNTIL YOU BEAT THE GAME. Boo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 19:59:38 2011 No.7121449 >>7121417 its incredibly obvious if you have played at2 anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 22:12:38 2011 No.7122158 BBQ Soda synthesis. Aurica's culinary skills have reached every corner of Ar Ciel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 23:06:38 2011 No.7122349 So how does the new combat feel? I watch some videos on it and it just looks bland... Especially how song magic doesn't look as devastating with all the screen shaking and what not in the previous games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 23:10:38 2011 No.7122364 This guy >>7118513 >>7118545 here. I'm really enjoying the boss music of what I assume to be the last boss of Phase 1. Anyone happen to know the title?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 23:13:55 2011 No.7122372 >>7121417 Well, to be fair, this was pretty easy to guess early on, I'd thought so from the moment "his" voice started messing up early on, and the Heart of Gaea thing confirmed it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 23:14:38 2011 No.7122379 Is there any benefit to purging on the red lines besides getting to see the little movie for it, or is it just for extra fanservice?

>>	Anonymous Sat Mar 19 23:15:38 2011 No.7122383 File: 51 KB, 457x370, 1287483165333.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7122372 >>7121417 Don't ruin it for the rest of us.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 00:52:38 2011 No.7122785 File: 8 KB, 645x773, 1295538380531.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] That feel when you think you're about to go to phase 4 but get the bad end instead

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 00:58:38 2011 No.7122809 >>7122785 You have to be really bad at purging to be unable to beat MYU in seven minutes, or maybe you're playing on hard and you're grossly underleveled too.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 01:07:38 2011 No.7122825

I don't really like what AT3 has done with the combat and graphics considering how AT2 did those really well. The only reason I'm thinking of buying this is because I love the previous 2 games but what are the chances of this being a disappointment to the fans like how star ocean 4 turned out? I found it hard to play through that because of how shiny everything looks, motion blurring everywhere, bad camera angles and how wonky the animations were

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 01:50:04 2011 No.7122825,1 Thread 404'd? How come?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 01:59:13 2011 No.7122825,2 >>7122825,1 boards.4chan.org is down, silly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 02:00:50 2011 No.7122825,3 >>7122825,2 Oh yeah, I noticed I couldn't go anywhere after I posted it. My 4chan x Updater made it seem like the thread got deleted, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 03:30:38 2011 No.7122839 >>7122825 You can always enjoy the world setting and characters. Gameplay/Battles have always been a weak part of AT series.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 03:32:38 2011 No.7122841

So none of you are tired of Gust games yet? Or do you just keep getting them for the little girls?

Even the soundtrack to Qoga is just really boring to me when I try to listen to it. Oddly the only Gust songs I keep on my playlists are the town themes from 2 for some reason.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 03:37:38 2011 No.7122847

>>7122839
They're indeed weak but there were still a lot of cool things about them. Like seeing the way a boss look, song magic slowly changing forms as you charge them up and then those overly-exaggerated ex skills and songs =/
These things seem to have taken a back seat when it went 3D...

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 03:37:38 2011 No.7122849

>>7122785
Speaking of which, how much is there to do after selecting the bad choice at the end of Phase 3? If it's short then I'll just get out of the way now, but if it's a few hours or so I'll come back and do it later. They mentioned something about walking up the tower and I said fuck this shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 03:38:38 2011 No.7122852 >>7122841 Ar Tonelico always seem to have interesting music so not really. And I'm looking forward to Totori, would be nice if they made one last Ar Tonelico game that would look like that

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Anonymous Sun Mar 20 03:49:38 2011 No.7122897

>>7122847
Yeah, the first two games at least had a lot of pretty colors to spice up the boring and repetitive battles, but the song magic in this game is pretty drab. The EX Purge videos are nice, but I'm supposed to be watching the harmonics meter instead so I can push buttons. What's up with that?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 03:56:38 2011 No.7122920 >>7122839 >Gameplay/Battles have always been a weak part of AT series. I started playing AT because I asked for games like .hack where story and setting were a big factor, and someone recommended this series. I don't regret it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 05:14:38 2011 No.7123031 >>7122897 No more combo magic with animated cutscenes? =( Christ, why can't this be Ar Tonelico 2.5 instead of the final game

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 05:16:38 2011 No.7123038 The soundtrack in 3 is pretty disappointing but I pirated the first two games so I won't complain

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 05:27:38 2011 No.7123057 I don't really like what they did with song magic. It kind of sucks getting locked into one attack. At least the characters were more likeable than in AT2

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 06:17:38 2011 No.7123157 File: 228 KB, 800x800, hama.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thank you for making these threads, anon. I chanced on trying the games, and I'm enjoying them a lot.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 06:26:38 2011 No.7123188

Weekend of release week and still no Qoga here. I'm now tempted to jailbreak my PS3 just to play it.

Then I thought it would be a waste to pirate it. I'll just wait patiently for a local release. I'm just wondering, usually R3 English versions are available the same day as the R1 ones. This kinda sucks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 09:17:38 2011 No.7123470 >>7123188 Heard it will be here tomorrow on Monday

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 09:17:38 2011 No.7123471 >>7122379 I'm quite sure it adds some extra stats. >>7122349 It's fun, but seeing the same song magic gets repetitive after a while. The combat itself isn't bad at all, honestly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 09:19:38 2011 No.7123476 >>7123471 >seeing the same song magic Wait, are there fewer song magic now? Do they evolve?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 09:21:38 2011 No.7123483 >>7123476 >Wait, are there fewer song magic now? One per heroine/persona, sadly. >Do they evolve? Yes, however. Once you Purge, the song evolves.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 10:10:38 2011 No.7123567 File: 87 KB, 1280x720, amagami-17-rihoko-stuck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Don't mind me, just waiting for MK3.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 10:20:38 2011 No.7123585

AT2 is by a long shot my favorite game in the series, and I'm not a big fan of the move to 3D myself, but I'm still very much enjoying the 3rd game by virtue of its story, characters and setting. It all still feels very unmistakably Ar Tonelico. For me, it's easily one of the more engrossing games on the PS3.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 10:33:38 2011 No.7123613 File: 20 KB, 300x387, mir.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7123483 >One per heroine/persona, sadly. WHAT. THE. FUCK. MIR IS NOT PLEASED.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 10:36:38 2011 No.7123620
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>>7123613
Yeah, it's disappointing, though understandable considering the 3D jump they took.

>>7123585
>It all still feels very unmistakably Ar Tonelico.

Yeah, seriously. It's surprising, but it retains that SOMETHING that AT has.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 10:45:38 2011 No.7123638 >>7123620 >>7123585 I'll trust you guys ;_; Even without song magic, it's still good, huh.... But wouldn't boss battles seem to be less dreadful without all those skills being used?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 10:50:38 2011 No.7123655 The game keeps freezing at various places during phase iv. It's pissing me off.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 10:53:38 2011 No.7123666

>>7123638
Learn to Hyumas. It's like the Installs in AT1 that give you extra bonuses, be it healing, more attack, etcetera.

Still, boss battles ARE hard. In fact, the game in Normal isn't as easy as the other two, surprisingly.

>>7123655
Let your PS3 rest a little; it's most likely overheating.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 11:13:38 2011 No.7123723

>>7123666
The combat pacing for AT3 seems really uneven to me. I find myself flipping between Normal and Hard since sometimes the enemies are sometimes woefully underpowered and other times absolute rape.

I was playing on hard and breezing through the battles and then I entered the Clustania District and had to spend half the time throwing myself potions just to survive the first fight.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 11:37:38 2011 No.7123824

>>7123638
Well, there is song magic, but basically each heroine's persona has one song magic that they're set on, and they will only use that. Each heroine has 3 or 4 different personas, though (I've seen people claiming both numbers, and I'm not far enough yet to know which is correct) which you set from the equipment screen, and they will use a different song magic depending on what persona they are using. (The song magic will also level up to different forms depending on your purge level, though it won't actually evolve into a completely different one as in AT2.) Also, I'm not sure if healing or support song magic exist at all, all the ones I've seen have just been attack ones. (Though I've only used two personas of two characters so far.)

Was kind of a disappointing change for me, compared to the variety of song magic in AT2, but I'm finding myself enjoying the game anyway. As many have said, it still very much retains the old Ar tonelico feel.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 11:57:38 2011 No.7123867

>>7123585
I thought the story was kind of a mess for awhile. Not because it actually was a mess, but because I didn't have any information about what the fuck was going on most of the time. One of the nice things about Lyner and Croix was that they were in positions of authority; they had clearly defined missions and a decent grasp of the situation, and when they shared my confusion and wonder whenever things took a turn. Aoto's just some dirt farmer whose mission is GRR I WILL PROTECT SAKI and is completely oblivious to everything else, so when characters start spouting off asides about their secret missions and ulterior motives that I haven't the slightest clue about, it's just a bunch of cryptic nonsense. And boy is there a lot of it. I get why so much is left in the dark from a narrative standpoint and it does all make sense eventually, but I swear they must have been trying to pack as much MYSTERY in as possible, and it was pretty annoying. Now that I actually know what's going on I'm digging it, but it was kind of rough to bear with my (and Aoto's) ignorance for 2+ phases.

Also, the third Reyvateil just joined my party. She's level 60 and everyone else is 46-48. I feel inadequate.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 12:39:38 2011 No.7123927 >>7123824 Its 4 persona but you can only get the 4th when you lock into a heroines route (So for Saki route Saki gets her 4th etc)

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 15:59:38 2011 No.7124290 Where do you get High Voltage Gloves?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 16:03:38 2011 No.7124303 >>7124290 You craft them from a recipe you pick up in Phase 1.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 16:08:38 2011 No.7124316 >>7124303 Do you remember where the recipe is? I think I may have missed it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 16:12:38 2011 No.7124343 >>7124316 I wanna say its ?High-Tech Medkit? which would put it in the Moebius Factory

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 16:22:38 2011 No.7124404 >>7124343 Appreciate it

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 16:23:38 2011 No.7124414 Is anybody still using an SDTV? How does Qoga look? Is the text really small?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 16:48:38 2011 No.7124548 >>7124414 I've seen on another site that the Japanese version is totally unreadable so I imagine that the English version won't be much better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 16:55:38 2011 No.7124575 >people still using SDTV's Surely they have exhibits in zoos and museums to put these people in by now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 17:20:38 2011 No.7124677 >>7124414 The text is tiny, unfortunately. Sometimes sitting too far away from even my HDTV makes it difficult to read, so I don't imagine it'd be at all legible on an SDTV.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 18:10:38 2011 No.7124685 >>7124414 They (NISA?) chose a really horrible serif font that's barely readable on HDTVs. I have no idea why.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 18:11:38 2011 No.7124687 Maybe I'm being an idiot, but what does MSGYEC stand for?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 18:14:38 2011 No.7124696 >Start game, Japanese audio, Hard mode LETS DO THIS >Thrashed by Mute instantly Fuck you, Gust.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 18:23:38 2011 No.7124723 >>7124696 What Hard mode really means is that you get raped repeatedly by hard veiny dicks. Please enjoy your anal violation. ps. they NTR your reivyteils too.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 18:26:38 2011 No.7124728

>>7124723

I don't mind that I do 2 damage per hit.. it's just that I seemed to get hit from miles away whilst trying a hit and run tactic. There seemed to be no way to actually get her down without running out of your 3 healing items since she'd hit you 99% of the time every time you hit her.. Ah well, I'll wait until I actually have Saki/Finnel and some equipment before trying hard mode again.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 19:47:38 2011 No.7125042

>>7124548
>>7124677
>>7124685

Fricken hell. I kept telling you all that I was going to hold off until I have a chance at getting an HDTV, but I'm getting impatient and want to play the game soon. But it looks like I really should wait. I stopped playing Neptunia and Atelier Rorona for similar reasons.

Besides, HD would do the graphics and CGs and such better justice.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 20:45:38 2011 No.7125294

Still having a grand old time playing AT1.

Reached the end of Phase 2, was wondering how long I could expect the rest of the game to last.
Like I said before, I'd like to at least get AT1 done before Wednesday. "Halfway through AT2" seems pretty impossible by now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 20:49:38 2011 No.7125322 >>7125294 >Phase 2 Don't expect it to end soon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 20:55:38 2011 No.7125341 >>7125294 I think the phases in the first game are divided up pretty evenly, so as a rough estimate you're about 2/3 of the way there.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 20:56:38 2011 No.7125354

>>7125294
If you're enjoying the games, I'd say don't rush it. Games stick in your head longer if you savor them and play them over time. The experience is drawn out longer and you remember more of the game once everything is said and done. The games I remember enjoying most were the ones I played at a measured pace.

Then again, I've been spending every other waking moment barreling through AT3. I wonder how I'll remember it in a few years time..

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 21:11:38 2011 No.7125424

>>7125354
Well I wouldn't say I've been rushing it. I've taken my time to search dungeon maps for treasures and work on Cosmospheres when I get new levels unlocked.
One thing I'm really liking about this game is that I've yet to feel any need to grind in preparation for a battle. The damage I do and the damage I take just seem to be "appropriate".
If what
>>7125341
is right, though, then I'm looking at another ten hours or so. Not bad.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 21:19:38 2011 No.7125458

>>7125424
>One thing I'm really liking about this game is that I've yet to feel any need to grind in preparation for a battle. The damage I do and the damage I take just seem to be "appropriate".

Well, I personally hit a wall in the final boss because my damage output wasn't enough to overcompensate her healing.

Grinded a little, then I grabbed a Song Magic that heals and put so many buffs and other shit in it, I simply spammed attacks and won against it.

Also, is there an ending guide for AT3 yet? Goddamn, I don't wanna miss the Third Reyvateil's ending, and I wanna know where to keep extra saves and whatnot.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 21:41:38 2011 No.7125545 Hey, I just downloaded the torrents provided in the pack. However, with the new PS2 emulator (also in the pack), it gives me something about a root error. I usually don't encounter errors with .bin files, but any clue what to do?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 21:45:38 2011 No.7125551 >>7125458 http://artonelico.isisview.org/viewtopic.php?f=144&t=1822 I've sank so much dp trying to get through her first level

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 21:48:38 2011 No.7125557 >>7125545 Actually, I fixed just fixed that, but I can see I have the wrong configuration. For the first Ar Tonelico, what are the optimum configurations?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 21:51:38 2011 No.7125559 >>7125557 optimum configuration, lets see loli misha, a box of tissues, a well rested arm

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 22:03:38 2011 No.7125599 >>7125559 You forgot an ocarina that you should blow into on occasion Yeaaaaaah Also, get your tissues ready for exec_rig=veda

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 22:25:38 2011 No.7125669 Someone refresh my memory? Which part of AT2 did METHOD_IMPLANTA appear in?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 22:25:38 2011 No.7125672 File: 44 KB, 519x408, 17-AT-00076.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Prepare your anus for chronicle key Topped only by m_metafalica

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 22:29:38 2011 No.7125686 >>7125669 overriding ipd shut down

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 22:35:38 2011 No.7125704 File: 174 KB, 829x860, 1300250909323.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's up with mir slumping onto the ground before breaking into a song?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 22:36:38 2011 No.7125711 >>7125672 >Topped only Oh come on, it's topped by rig=veda and sublimation too

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 22:40:38 2011 No.7125722 >>7125711 only if you are talking about "omness chs ciel sos infel" i respect rig=veda but to me it sounds too oriental for my liking

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 22:56:38 2011 No.7125772 >>7125704 Remember how Shurelia tripped everytime she unleashed a Song Magic? Yeah. They're klutz like that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 23:08:38 2011 No.7125818 >>7125772 Does the administrator in the 3rd game do that too?

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 20 23:49:38 2011 No.7125969 I need to find me some AT3 doujins. Naturally this being a series I like I doubt they exist at all.

Anonymous Sun Mar 20 23:58:38 2011 No.7126000

Phase 4 question: Is that fight against Ar Ru, where Tyria fuses with her, supposed to be a complete bitch? I burned through a small fortune of healing and revival items because she has this attack that's comes out fast, hits like a fucking truck, and OHKOs anyone that isn't guarding. God damn.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 00:21:38 2011 No.7126059
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>>7125969
They're not exactly all over the place, but here's one I like featuring both Finnel and Soma:

http://www.mediafire.com/?w16rs1rsr1kjm9m

And another one with Finnel:

http://www.mediafire.com/?zoas83a8e40crex

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 00:28:38 2011 No.7126073 Ar Tonelico music expert here, just wanted to let y'all know that Salavec Rhaplanca is objectively, and literally, the best AT song. Also, Akiko Shikata's best song as well. JUST SAYIN'

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 00:31:38 2011 No.7126085 >>7126059 Why thank you my good man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 00:54:38 2011 No.7126179 Why did they have to call it qoga, stupid sexy americans. The 3's font looked so good

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 00:55:38 2011 No.7126182 File: 93 KB, 1280x720, qoga.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7126179 Forgot my stupid sexy picture

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 01:06:38 2011 No.7126221

>>7125669

This >>7125686. It's near the end of Phase 3, IIRC, when certain characters finally stop sitting in the sidelines.

The revolving door in AT2 is irritating as hell. It's like literally every 5 minutes of story your party members come and go. It's especially annoying when you're trying to view shop events that requires certain heroines or when you're trying to get talk topics/dive into them but leave you the next minute.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 01:07:38 2011 No.7126223 >>7126179 Qoga is Hymmnos, bro.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 01:38:38 2011 No.7126279

There are an awful lot of characters in this game that follow your party around but don't fight. It's like they're taunting me. And Akane, not only does she not fight, but I can't dive into her either. This isn't a fucking sightseeing tour I'm running here; I'm saving the damn world. If you're not going to fight then at least let me molest your soulspace.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 02:48:38 2011 No.7126441

So I got to giant trumpet land in AT1 tonight. Probably will be able to wrap it up tomorrow after I get home from lunch.
I don't like how Shurelia is trying to get all over your nuts in Phase 3. Woman I didn't spend 2/3rds of the game aiming for Misha only to have you come and shit all over me.
Spoilered because I'm sure there's others out there like me who are playing through the whole series right now.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 03:13:38 2011 No.7126487

>>7122809
On my first playthrough aiming for non-bad endings, I lost to M.Y.U.. Then I loaded the game and went and synthesized the super-supermoves (I haven't played through AT3en enough yet to know what they call 超必殺技) and won handily. Maybe that's his problem?

>>7125704
Oh god. I was totally spoiled on that ending before I played through it, but that little bit of reaction out of her totally made up for it.

>>7126441
It feels like they use every chance they can to tug on your heartstrings with her, but I guess it's not surprising considering all that she's been through...

>>7125818
No, she's the most competent Origin IMO.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 03:36:38 2011 No.7126535

>>7126487
>It feels like they use every chance they can to tug on your heartstrings with her, but I guess it's not surprising considering all that she's been through...
Well see a big issue I had with it was simply that at Phase 3 she goes through this weird personality shift that seems to go with her different appearance.
It's just weird, man. I'm guessing there's a route for her if you just beeline for all of her talking points, but I'm certainly not doing it anytime soon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 03:50:38 2011 No.7126565 >>7126535 That's her real personality though She's like this too in the sequel

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 08:50:38 2011 No.7127078

>>7126535

You only seen her a few times before then and that was when she was assuming her administrator role. She has to at least act like she's able to run the place effectively - even if it's not how she really wants it. Because of this she's constantly alone. When she could finally rely on someone else and show her true personality and feelings I'm sure she was greatly relieved and this is why she acts like she does in the game. I do admit though that it's a bit of a bullshit move to focus on one heroine for the first 2/3 of the game then shove a moe administrator in your face who you cant help but love. It's a good thing that the ending barely changes regardless of who you pick though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 08:55:38 2011 No.7127089 >>7126565 >>7127078 Yeah, I know I'm preaching to the choir here and there's already a ton of justifications for it. I just wanted to get it off my chest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 09:10:38 2011 No.7127132 File: 358 KB, 750x1200, 1286359766759.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7126487 >Frelia not as competent Poor, poor Frelia, if only they gave her linkage, a power source for the tower and functional Rinkerator for the tower.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 10:42:38 2011 No.7127285 >>7127132 Poor Frelia, getting the shaft in general as far as screentime compared to the other two administrators. She doesn't even get an ending.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 11:01:38 2011 No.7127316 File: 1.04 MB, 1164x3278, 021901d7e03e7a753a088ad6f535d2c8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No one said anything or thank her after all the shit she's been through. Isn't it sad, Frelinlinlililin♪☆ミ（＝＿＜）ノ?

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 11:16:38 2011 No.7127345

>>7127078
The Aurica/Shurelia decision in particular made me feel like shit. Lonely D-class Reyvateil that has finally found happiness vs lonely tower administrator that has finally found happiness. Can't help but imagine whichever one you don't choose crying herself to sleep every night.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 11:25:38 2011 No.7127372 >>7127345 It's worth it to ditch Aurica just to see her go yan in that video ZUN!bar always post.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 11:51:38 2011 No.7127453 Does Akiko Shikata have any good songs that aren't AT related? I know she has 4 albums but I have yet to download them.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 11:59:38 2011 No.7127472
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Question about missing OSTs. If I'm not in america and I fill up their replacement form, would they ship it over? :O

And any idea how I can lift the jailbreak thingy on my PS3? I want to use my main account to play this game

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 12:00:38 2011 No.7127475

I knew it was a good idea not to play AT2 right after finishing 1.
I can play it now to get over my feelings of inadequacy, since I don't own a PS3 and can't play AT3, nor will I be able to in the foreseeable future ;_;

And I like it more so far(some 6 hours in) than the first one. My main gripe with the first one was the protagonist, and Croix, while not perfect, is infinitely better. The girls are good too - I plan on going with Luca first, since I always start with childhood friends' routes, but Cloche is seriously tempting me to break my routine, mostly thanks to the stellar performance by Miyuki Sawashiro. In AT1 there was no such dilemma, since Mischa was the obvious choice right thorough the entire game.

Anything I should know about in advance before I progress further?

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 12:03:38 2011 No.7127485 >>7127475 Stick with Cloche And the game actually gets a little boring after the end of Phase 1 But keep at it! And advancing beyond a girl's level 5 cosmosphere locks you out of the other girls'

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 12:07:38 2011 No.7127499 >>7127472 And speaking of buying games..should I get the clerk to open the game box up to check whether the disc is inside? And what if he does it anyway? Am I allowed to stop him and say "I'd like to take the box's virignity by my own hand"?

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 12:16:38 2011 No.7127535

>>7127472
>>7127499
For the OST, most likely they'd ship it over. If you're planning on buying it from a store, however, there isn't much to worry about- and the copies that lack OSTs seem pretty scarce.

Also,

>Am I allowed to stop him and say "I'd like to take the box's virignity by my own hand"?

Yes, yes you are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 12:30:45 2011 No.7127579 Honestly he should just pick which ever girl he wants. I also picked Luca on my first play through, for pretty much the same reason too. I don't regret it. I only regretted not picking Jacqli, which I rectified in my second play.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 12:31:38 2011 No.7127581 Honestly he should just pick which ever girl he wants. I also picked Luca on my first play through, for pretty much the same reason too. I don't regret it. I only regretted not picking Jacqli, which I rectified in my second play.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 12:57:38 2011 No.7127670

Is there a list of talk topics for AT3? I swear I'm getting random talk topics and it's kind of putting me off whether I'm missing some or not.. For example you get Saki and 2 minutes later you already get a 2 level 2 talk topics. Happened with Finnel too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 13:01:38 2011 No.7127682 >>7127535 Why is buying it from the store not a problem in regards to getting the OST? You mean I can take it back and tell them it doesn't have the OST inside? I'm not sure how well that would go for a social retard like me

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 13:10:38 2011 No.7127722 >>7127682 I'm guessing it's because no one's reported a store copy without a CD yet. Still, even if a store copy's OST is missing you can still request a replacement via the same form.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 13:18:38 2011 No.7127745 >>7127670 The talk topics in this game are all over the place. I don't remember if some of them were item related or what, but the Third Reyvateil had topics on Levels 1, 2, 3, 5,and 9 the first time I talked to her.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 13:56:38 2011 No.7127868
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>>7127345
>>7127372
Le sigh. I just finished my first run through AT with Aurica, and I can't bring myself to even start phase 3 properly because it'd be outright heartless just to toss her after all the crap about trust and security the jackass main character's fed her. Damnit, I'm soft, I can't bring myself to hurt even the emotions of a vidya character.

Strange as it is, though, as I initially found both girls to be rather meh, and made my decision solely based on Don Leon. I still can't remember even the silly bint's name without checking.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 13:59:38 2011 No.7127879 >>7127868 It's ok, Shurelia is the only good girl in AT1

Mir Teiwaz Artonelico !Mir0hpNNP. Mon Mar 21 14:09:38 2011 No.7127902

>>7127453
Every single one is worth it and (in my opinion) they get better with every song. Navigatoria usually takes some time to grow onto people because it doesn't have that usual Shikata-feeling to it, if you started out with her AT stuff. Raka is going more in the AT direction and Harmonia just tops everything so far (again, in my opinion). Shame on me though, I haven't listened to that doujin album she's made (and I guess that's the fourth you're tlaking about).

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 14:24:38 2011 No.7127937 >>7127879 >It's ok, Shurelia is the only bland girl in AT1 FTFY

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 14:28:38 2011 No.7127949 >>7127937 ... is it just me who thinks they were all a bit bland?

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 14:30:38 2011 No.7127955

>>7127868
If it makes you feel any better, the ending for each character were kind of lazy and there's very little difference between them.

Between Misha and Aurica quite literally 99% of the differences between which ever you choose occurs during the game, and the difference between them two and Shurelia is just the option to be with her at the end of the game and a different background image, if you completed her soulspace.

I guess I should be using spoiler tags, but they're hardly spoilers at all really.
It has that little difference on the ending.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 14:33:38 2011 No.7127968 >>7127949 Possibly. Misha was fine, Aurica had her moments, and Shurelia was just bland forced moe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 14:37:38 2011 No.7127987 First hour of the game and the first cosmosphere level for Finnel is her masochism then it's followed up with a story event of her becoming a servant to Aoto. Meanwhile Saki has been completely ignored by me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 14:44:38 2011 No.7128008 File: 84 KB, 450x450, whats going on.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7127987 Forgot my image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:31:38 2011 No.7128156 >>7127987 I know, right? Finnel and her personae are so much better than Saki and her crew that it's not even funny.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:41:38 2011 No.7128199 >>7127345 2 is better in that regard since Cloche and Luca are perfectly happy just with each other so you don't feel like shit if you don't choose one of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:45:38 2011 No.7128212 >>7128199 Heterosexual life partner end is best end.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 15:52:38 2011 No.7128238

>>7128156
I have to agree. Spoilers for Saki's personae.
Saki is blah
Sarapatra is ok, but her music and shape are terrible
Filament is passable, but her song magic makes a terrible noise
Sakia is pretty good overall.
I used Finnel and Tyria even when I was on her route.
Using Sarapatra or Filament in battle makes you want to just mute the game

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:10:38 2011 No.7128335 File: 138 KB, 1000x748, it_hurts.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7123620

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:20:38 2011 No.7128387
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Oh wow, Phase 3 was a lot shorter than I thought it'd be.
Onward to AT2!
>Press the Square or Circle button to command an attack.
>command an attack
Oh boy. I didn't think it'd get this twisted so early.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:30:38 2011 No.7128447 >>7128238 I personally found Filament pretty damn cute. She Almost made me like saki.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:38:38 2011 No.7128467

>>7128447
I thought she was pretty cute, but that trumpet noise was just grinding on my brain.

Sadly the game got about 2x as fun when I changed from hard mode to easy mode because the random battles are really boring. Even more than AT1 or AT2.
Using Doc to skill spam on red bars only to purge quickly and end the battle 10-20s earlier is crazy boring.
I'd rather just use the spoiler vanguard's melee + skill spam to end the battle in 10s and only purge 1 or 0 times on easy.
It should have been more of an irregular wave where you get increasing beat the closer you hit it to the peak, not one random red bar you have to time your whole play style around to hit.
I really liked the atmosphere and story, just the battle system was a complete miss for me.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:42:38 2011 No.7128482

>NES style music
>FINNE
>"What happened to the L at the end?"
>"It can't be helped. Due to memory issues, we only get five letters for our names"
>Harvestasya as the demon lord
>"AOTO AND FINNE DIED." with Game Over music

Oh Tsuchiya, you glorious bastard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:44:38 2011 No.7128492 >>7128482 That was the best level in any Cosmosphere ever, both times through.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 16:51:38 2011 No.7128514 >>7128482 Oh man, why is Finnel so awesome? Just went into her next level and all it contained was a toilet. >"Finnel's freshly baked log is floating in the toilet" Oh Momoko..

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 19:58:38 2011 No.7128638 Are we back on? Oh, good. So far in AT2, I'm liking the music a lot more than AT1.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:04:38 2011 No.7128663 >>7128638 AT2's the peak of the series, music-wise. Not to ditch the others, however. ...Time to listen to AT2's OST once again.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:15:38 2011 No.7128691

>>7128663
So far I'd rate the music as a whole as "pretty damn good" with Hymmnos being on another level entirely.

In fact, playing through these games on an emulator makes me wonder why I let them slip by me during the PS2 era. I gobbled down JRPGs like crack back then, but come to think of it the only NISA/Gust games I ever touched were Mana Khemia and Atelier Iris.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:20:38 2011 No.7128714

>>7128691
Well, AT wasn't all that well known in the past, and the much publicity it got (if at all) was thanks to the oh-so-infamous innuendo scene it had.

Reviewers pretty much wrote the game off as "meh" and whatnot; wasn't till AT2 released that I, personally, decided to give the series a try since they looked pretty cool.

And yeah, I was pleasantly surprised with them. Then I discovered more 'bout the AT lore, and well, kinda fell in love with the series even more.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:27:38 2011 No.7128742

>>7128714
>Then I discovered more 'bout the AT lore, and well, kinda fell in love with the series even more.
I think I'm about to.

With all the PSP ports NIS gets away with, they could stand to partner with Gust and rerelease AT1 and 2 on the PSP. I'd buy those in a heartbeat, especially if they prettied up the localization.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 20:42:38 2011 No.7128792

Reyvateil: You're here to work, right? Then just use your room to sleep. I'm tired of cleaning mystery stains..

Poor reyvateil cleaning 'mystery stains' ;_; Also what's with the strange prices in shops in AT3? A piece of armour with 33 DEF costs 5k more than a piece of armour with 35 DEF for the same users.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:21:38 2011 No.7128939

>>7128792
I don't know what's up with equipment period in AT3. I spent all of Phases 2 and 3 with gear I crafted in Phase 1, because most of the recipes I found later on yielded inferior results. Kind of disappointing when you sit down to craft those 20 new items you picked only to find out they all suck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:25:38 2011 No.7128955 >>7128939 >Kind of disappointing when you sit down to craft those 20 new items you picked only to find out they all suck. Does AT3 keep the interaction in AT2? If so, I'd say it's worth it

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:35:38 2011 No.7128989 >>7128691 Well I don't know when AT1 was released, but AT2 was released only like two years ago. Though admittedly wikipedia says it was released in japan in 07... Anyway, well past the ps2's prime.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:39:38 2011 No.7129007

>>7128955
Yeah, there's plenty of silly banter when crafting, and Saki has Aurica-tier naming sense.

The crafting animations all suck, though. I always let the sessions in AT2 run full length because I loved watching Jakuri send that scimitar into the wall and whatnot. This game, not so much. Supermove crafting is particularly bad because they all just sit there staring intently at the floor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:47:38 2011 No.7129032 >>7129007 >I loved watching Jakuri send that scimitar into the wall and whatnot. Oh god, I love the animations in AT2 too. And I always let Jakuri's run because of her theme. Gets really good after you hear the sheep or whatever bleat

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:48:38 2011 No.7129036 >>7129007 Is there a Cynthia-tier blacksmith for crafting? Pretty much the only reason I ever made new stuff was so I could see what Cynthia had to say about the matter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:49:38 2011 No.7129043 >>7129032 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psisSZLGuk Oh god, why did I never notice the "sheep bleat" until now??

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:49:38 2011 No.7129045 I loved the crafting in AT2. Much of it wasn't even for making the item, I just loved how the girls would spout off and/or make nonsense and seeing Croix verbally facepalm for the thousandth time.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:52:38 2011 No.7129059

>>7129045

Honestly that's probably the only reason I even bother with AT2's shop/synthesis events, other then to get decent equipment. Doing all that running around to and from shops, having to go to other shops to buy items needed for the synthesis shop I just left, etc. isn't very fun.

From what I hear, Qoga doesn't have shop events. I'll miss interacting with characters other than the heroines but I'm glad I never have to worry about all the backing and forthing and artificially lengthening the game by 10 hours.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:55:38 2011 No.7129072 >>7129036 No, crafting is like in the first game. You get recipes from chests and can craft at any inn or save point, there aren't specific shops.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 21:57:38 2011 No.7129085

>>7128989
My brother is a huge Gust fan, so I managed to jump on Ar Tonelico when it came out, and had no idea what to expect. When I popped in the disc and the first thing that greeted me was that incredible opening set to Utau Oka ~Harmonics Eolia, I knew then we had a keeper.

And then the second game came out and was miles better than the first.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:18:38 2011 No.7129161 >>7129072 Awww =/ I really like Croix's interactions with the shop keepers

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:21:38 2011 No.7129181 >>7129161 >=/ Stop that. >>7129072 Well, that's a bit of a shame. With the exception of Mana Khemia, I never really feel the need to craft in games. In AT2, Cynthia really helped in making me want to create new stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:36:38 2011 No.7129225 >>7128939 Yeah I'm starting to see that myself.. Optic Shield, for example, is clearly superior to everything that I've seen so far and it was dropping a lot off random mobs half way through phase 1..

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:41:38 2011 No.7129249

>>7128939
I'm not quite sure either. the items themselves are only for the interaction, with you getting the best reyvatail accessory in phase 1 and the difference between ultimate weapons and starting being almost nothing (about 100). I guess I'm in the minority when I say I liked the shop events in AT2.

I had fun with AT3, though I liked AT2 much more than 1 and 3. The extras menu in 3 is crazy though since you can see pretty much anything. The 6 special "beat up" -> triple purge -> wait until 1 shot % (25k or so for random encounters in hard mode) got boring quick though.

Are there any more events with (spoiler for optional boss events)
Akane after her battles? The slave thing and love teacher was interesting, it would be funny if there was a follow up.
I would buy dlc for her cosmosphere.

Anonymous Mon Mar 21 22:44:38 2011 No.7129268
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>>7129249
>Akane getting any attention

I got some news for you.

Do not walk throughout the path of delusion, oh, my dear brother! For you shall see nothing more of Akane; disappointment is inminent...such is the crushing reality that governs this world.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 00:15:38 2011 No.7129631

My copy arrived yesterday and I'm just now getting around to playing it.

Question: Why is hard so ridiculous? I switched from normal to hard in the area where you pick up Fililun~ and I'm getting decimated by these wolf things. They one-shot Saki, Two-shot Tatsumi and Three-shot Aoto. I spend half the time in battle waiting for the menu to load so I can dole out 2-3 healing items necessary to fix the damage one hit from one enemy does to a vanguard.
A challenge is fine, but there's very little room for strategy beyond circlestrafing, so should I even bother with Hard?

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 00:33:38 2011 No.7129701
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>>7129631
I've never tried hard mode myself, but from what I understand it's all about having a ton of healing items on hand. There are a few boss battles like that in normal, and I figured hard is probably like that ALL THE TIME so I said no thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 00:39:38 2011 No.7129720 I've given it some time, and I still don't really feel partial to either girls in AT2. I might go with childhood friend route just because, but they're both fairly meh three hours in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 00:42:38 2011 No.7129727 >>7129720 The third girl is always the best.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 00:48:38 2011 No.7129746

>>7129727
See but I was able to form a connection with both girls within a few hours of interacting with each in AT1, and it made it a genuinely hard decision to pick whose route to go on until I realized I had already inserted a billion crystals into Misha because I liked her in-battle quotes.
In fact, I complained about the whole late introduction of the 3rd girl earlier in this thread, but I'm not going to tread old ground.

God the music is so fantastic though I'm just going to switch the difficulty to easy and breeze through the game while enjoying the music and story.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 00:53:38 2011 No.7129761

>>7129720
You honestly don't really get a good sense of who the girls are before you're forced to choose between them. A lot of their personality and their story only comes out once you're well into the game.

Also, compared to the first game, the heroines are just better written, though I guess a lot of that gets obliterated by the shoddy translation job.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 00:54:38 2011 No.7129764

>>7129631
Don't bother with hard the battle system really isn't worth it, but if you must here is the strategy I used for my first run:
prep: keep 99 of the weak heal item, use it to freeze time during long spots of no red bar, or to keep someone alive if the tick healing isn't doing much. You can use it while paralyzed

Otherwise, it is as you said, kite the mobs around, use a ranged special (left+square?) on the red bar to generate beat up, and double (4x special beat ups), triple (6x special beat ups) purge, kite until % you need to kill them and release. You can use quad purge with 8x special beat ups, but you don't get that until way late.

P1 is by far the hardest, pretty much everything 2-3 hits you. Purge healing up or def up first.
P2+ is pretty easy, since you can multi-purge and end battles in <20s.
I really recommend just coasting through on easy or playing normal though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 00:58:38 2011 No.7129775 >>7129761 >I guess a lot of that gets obliterated by the shoddy translation job. Well when you put it like that, I figure I should just wait for the relocalization project to finish and play it again once that's done.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 01:21:38 2011 No.7129850 File: 136 KB, 1280x960, 169p15-1-985d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone found HQ TotoriMeruru magazine scans yet?

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 01:23:38 2011 No.7129854

>>7129775

It won't be done anytime soon. Go ahead and keep playing. The localization does kind of suck but it isn't unplayable, and it's still good.

I hope you're playing on an emulator, though, otherwise the penultimate boss glitch will be a bitch. Actually I recommend you play on an emulator anyway, you wouldn't believe how handy save states are especially within cosmospheres and the dive therapy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 01:34:38 2011 No.7129885 >>7129854 I'll give it some thought and play a couple of hours tomorrow. Figured I was done for the evening anyway once Luca flew the coop.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 01:42:38 2011 No.7129908 I found the translation to be just fine... I always read about how AT2 was soooo horribly translated but the only things I ever see about it are nitpicky things and a few typos.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 04:39:38 2011 No.7130446
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Just putting this up for people who hasn't seen them before. AT3 spoilers, of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYDY7z_yKpw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql33xP-PGOg

Can't find tiliasmirk.jpg so this would do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 04:47:38 2011 No.7130461 >>7129854 Any tips for making the emulator more stable? FPS is all over the place, making it really annoying to guard.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 04:51:38 2011 No.7130469

>>7130461

Make sure graphics setting is on DirectX39D Hardware (or whatever it's called), native resolution, and you have frame skipping and such disabled.

Even then it stutters occassionally (at least on the computer I play the game on), so yeah, guarding will be annoying at times. But not to the point of unplayable. It still works pretty well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 04:57:38 2011 No.7130480 I'm having trouble getting AT3 to work on PCSX2... The first two worked fine, but I can't get this one to start at all. Is there a problem with my settings or something?

>>	Yｏur ｆavorite Aｎonymous thaｔ liｖes iｎＢangkok Tue Mar 22 04:59:38 2011 No.7130484 File: 31 KB, 292x300, asa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130480 its a ps3 game you cant use ps2 emulator to run it

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:00:38 2011 No.7130488 >>7130484 Oh. Where can I download the emulator that can run it then? I don't have a PS3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:01:38 2011 No.7130492 >>7130484 >Asa >My no-face when none of the other Shuffle games are translated despite popularity Seriously, what's going on?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:02:38 2011 No.7130496 >>7130492 They translated Soul Link, that's close enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:11:38 2011 No.7130513 >>7130488 >PS3 emulator Give it a few more years, I'll expect one to be made in 2 or 3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:12:38 2011 No.7130516 >>7130469 Huh. I have everything set to that, but the game still runs at about 40-50 fps on average. Strange, since my computer is not under any heavy load while running it and is only a few months old. Ah well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:13:38 2011 No.7130518 Favorite Ar Tonelico?

>>	Yｏur ｆavorite Aｎonymous thaｔ liｖes iｎＢangkok Tue Mar 22 05:21:38 2011 No.7130531 >>7130518 in b4 mir

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:26:38 2011 No.7130545 >>7130531 Jacqli.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:28:38 2011 No.7130550 File: 860 KB, 1200x1500, 1283519503708.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130531 Mule

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:30:38 2011 No.7130555 >>7130531 Miros

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:32:38 2011 No.7130560 File: 98 KB, 648x779, 1292971988495.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130531 Togasaki

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:46:38 2011 No.7130593 File: 21 KB, 170x170, 1300321739157.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130518 I actually meant game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 05:56:38 2011 No.7130605 File: 33 KB, 299x301, Jacqli_smirk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7130531 >>7130545 >>7130550 >>7130555 >>7130560 With my powers combined, I am... not telling you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 07:03:38 2011 No.7130719 >>7129850 I want this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 07:52:38 2011 No.7130803 File: 368 KB, 554x366, image_thumb62[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://blog.esuteru.com/archives/2734578.html http://www.siliconera.com/2011/03/22/atelier-meruru-is-the-third-game-with-rorona-and-the-last-game- in-arland/

>>	Yｏur ｆavorite Aｎonymous thaｔ liｖes iｎＢangkok Tue Mar 22 07:54:38 2011 No.7130805 >>7130593 i.. i cant decide...

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 09:03:38 2011 No.7130896
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>>7129631

It's completely unbalanced. The start of the game, for example, where you have 3 healing items and only Aoto to kill a 250 HP Mute who 2 shots you is impossible. I'm told that Phase 3 is a good time to switch from Normal to Hard. I'm playing on Normal (after initially trying on hard) and the game is still a pretty decent challenge to me after getting a little way into Phase 2. It's not mind blowingly impossible but at the same time it's not mind numbingly boring either.

>>7130803
>>7129850

Oh my, still deliciously flat Totorin AND loli Rorona...? I think I'm in love. This game cannot be released fast enough.

>>7130446

Obligatory Tilia~.jpg possibly related? I've actually forgotten to post this in the past couple of threads I think.. shame on me.

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Anonymous Tue Mar 22 11:47:38 2011 No.7131234

>>7129161

Yeah, AT2's way of doing it was better but it only worked because it sent you all over the place for a lot of the game anyway, as opposed to AT3 where progression is more linear (you spend a lot of time bouncing around one town, move on, spend a lot of time bouncing around that next town, move on, etc etc.) so it's a pain in the ass to backtrack all the way to town 1 just because you can only synth a lot of items with that one shopkeeper.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 11:51:38 2011 No.7131243 File: 35 KB, 615x577, 1300627783232.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>7131173 I think I'm in love with 19 year old Totori. mfw she is still has THAT flat chest.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 11:56:38 2011 No.7131256

>>7129854
>I hope you're playing on an emulator, though, otherwise the penultimate boss glitch will be a bitch.

I played on a real PS2, that fight wasn't hard. I got the glitch once, realized "oh, so *this* is the boss they were talking about,* and killed the boss in time the second attempt. The whole reason why the bug made it retail in the first place is because if you have any semblance of an idea as to what you're doing it's trivial to kill him before the bug happens.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 11:56:38 2011 No.7131261

Did the developers have to rush when making AT3? It's like they took out a lot of features

Item creation isn't as organized and there is less item variety since the items doesn't change anymore depending on the girl. No more awesome specific character theme music while synthesizing (I miss Jacqli's and Luca's ones...)
The animation is boring compared to 2's. It's like they went all the way back to the first game's
Purge doesn't even change the look of your song magic or make it evolve...was so pissed at that

It's like not as much "heart" was put into this one. I miss skycat's banter with jacqli and luca =/

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 11:57:38 2011 No.7131267 >>7131173 >height 150cm >those long slender legs HOW THE FUCK

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 11:59:38 2011 No.7131271 >>7131267 Welcome to the 2D world!

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 11:59:38 2011 No.7131274 >>7131234 >>7129161 Speaking of Croix, I miss him too. He seems to be more of a less generic protagonist compared to Lyner and Aoto

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 11:59:38 2011 No.7131275 >>7131261 >Purge doesn't even change the look of your song magic or make it evolve...was so pissed at that It does, though- there are distinct differences in the spell animations between purge levels.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 12:00:38 2011 No.7131277 fucking consoles, at3 doesn't even have the sprites made for 1080p aliasing everywhere apart from 3d. i mad

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 12:01:38 2011 No.7131281 >>7131275 Ah, really? I'm still fairly early on so that does cheer me up Was experimenting with Finnel's. I even tried removing her hyumas to see if it did anything visually

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 12:05:38 2011 No.7131297

>>7131281

With Finnel the main difference is what her mind guardian is wearing during the attack- without purging it's a welding mask, with one purge it's a paper bag, two purges is a scuba helmet, three purges is no helmet at all, just her usual eyepatch and an "I am going to have so much fun raping your body when you're dead" look on her face. The fire gets bigger/fancier with each level too, of course.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 12:08:38 2011 No.7131305 >>7131173 My body is not ready.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 12:11:38 2011 No.7131317 >>7131297 Thanks, you honestly made my day Was kind of regretting my purchase of the boxed set just now. I just have high expectations for this after seeing how much they improved 2 over the first one in terms of gameplay

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 12:12:38 2011 No.7131321

>>7131274

I just started phase 4 in 3, but overall I think that 2 was better, though 3 does make some improvements.

For one thing, I like how they give you only two Vanguard party members who regularly participate in the story as opposed to 1/2 which gave you more Vanguards than slots and in turn you barely remembered anything about half of them because the story was generally focused on the MC and the Reyvatails.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 12:17:38 2011 No.7131339 >>7131317 Gameplay-wise I wouldn't say it's better or worse in an absolute sense so much as different. They basically decided to rip off a different Tri-Ace combat system this time around (AT3 is Star Ocean while AT2 was Valkyrie Profile.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 12:23:38 2011 No.7131363 >>7131297 >"I am going to have so much fun raping your body when you're dead" look on her face My favorite song magic. I want Momoko to bully me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 12:27:38 2011 No.7131370 >>7131339 I honestly thought AT2 improved on that system. They should have used it on the DS game

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:27:38 2011 No.7131631

>>7115608

So what does the AT2 undub actually undub? If it's really significant, I'll man up and use the emulator. I decided to fall back to the original copy of Melody of Metafalica on an actual PS2 because the emulator was a flaky bitch and wouldn't provide consistent audio sync and high-res graphics performance across the board.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:31:38 2011 No.7131644

>>7131631
From what I understand, space limitations on the PS2 disc caused NISA to remove a portion of the Japanese dub in order to fit in the English dub.
Not really an undub in the traditional sense, but they basically shoved all the JP voices back in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:35:38 2011 No.7131656 >>7131644 I wonder if they realize that over half of their customers want the Japanese dialog anyway.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:38:38 2011 No.7131671 Someone should have fixed the movies in the first game. It's really jarring to be playing the game in Japanese, and then this booming, dunderheaded, shitty English voice-over blasts out during the cut-scenes. Terrible.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:43:38 2011 No.7131691

>>7131656

For a while SCEA was being a dick about translations without dubbing. This manifested as undubbing in several games, including AT2. It's also why Sakura Wars 5 got a two-disc release.

(Like how they still won't let virtual novels or PS2->PSP ports be released. Man, fuck SCEA.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:43:38 2011 No.7131692 >>7131656 The problem is that Sony won't let you release a game for their systems with a non-English voice track but no English voice track. You get a pass if it's just combat shouts or something, but not if you have actual story content voiced.

>>	Sudo !Tohsaka8ks Tue Mar 22 13:44:38 2011 No.7131699 >>7131692 >The problem is that Sony won't let you release a game for their systems with a non-English voice track but no English voice track. That's not true at all. Every Yakuza game since 2 has been Japanese only.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:47:38 2011 No.7131706 >>7131691 >>7131692 What kind of fucked up policy is that? >>7131699 Oh... hmm... Maybe they're biased?

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:48:38 2011 No.7131710

>>7131261

3D games are harder / more expensive to make. HD games are harder / more expensive to make. Japanese developers are folding left and right trying to keep up. This is one of the reasons we are getting so many mediocre charages / crossover games like Cross Edge, Neptunia, and Trinity Universe; they desperately need to recoup their investment in the new toolchains.

GUST's managed to make reasonably good headway with PhyreEngine (Sony's free engine), but it's far from best-of-breed, and everyone still needs to adapt. When you make stuff look as "good" as Rorona, it's pretty easy to see the framerate chug. When you make stuff look worse like ATQ, you get a better framerate, but, well, stuff looks worse.

tl;dr - 3DPD is ruining video games.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:49:38 2011 No.7131718

>>7131699
I'm wondering if Sega had to jump through any loops to get Sony to approve releasing Yakuza 3 and 4 without dubs.
Still, it seems like Sony is less strict about releasing games without dubs as far as PSN goes, because the only reason Arcana Heart 3 and (PS3)Argest War got PSN releases was because Aksys didn't want to dub them.
Also the fact that a lot of these types of games don't typically use up all the space of the storage medium they're on (AT3 is, what, 20 gigs out of 50-60?) means that companies like NISA who want to include both dubs won't have to cut out content in order to fit both of them in there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:50:38 2011 No.7131720 >>7131699 Sega can put way more leverage on SCEA than GUST/NIS/NISA can, especially for a flagship - and set in Japan - franchise like Yakuza.

>>	Sudo !Tohsaka8ks Tue Mar 22 13:54:38 2011 No.7131734 >>7131718 Only the first Yakuza game was dubbed, and they got a ton of backlash for it. Two onward were sub-only because no one wanted the dub.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 13:59:38 2011 No.7131753 >>7131671 The 'undub' for AT1 makes only this change.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:00:38 2011 No.7131756

>>7131718

Between that and the PSN Imports section (which I've heard third-hand is successful) I'm hopeful that they're changing their minds. But even then, the imports so far are all puzzlers/shmups.

Sony is unfortunately a very schizophrenic company, and especially the relationships between the departments can turn on a dime. This is why Home sucks and why visual novels don't get localized.

If you want to know how it ended up this way, you can look up Bernie Stolar - he's the guy who started the "American gamers don't like Japanese games" policy at SCEA and began the expensive approval processes that stop small localizers, and then went onto Sega to ruin the Saturn and fuck up the Dreamcast launch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:00:38 2011 No.7131757 >>7131734 I'm quite sure SEGA got a deal with Sony for that, actually. Oh, and undubbed games can also sell on PSN now, but not get disc releases. It's why Agarest didn't get a Blu-Ray release on PS3.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:05:38 2011 No.7131765

>>7131734

It is rumored that this policy is why Kenzan did not get translated at all - then Sega was able to point for western damand for Kenzan to get permission to bring 3 over without a dub. This is like nth hand information though, and several people in the chain were very bitter about SCEA and Sega US policies, so I don't know how much of it is true and how much is hyperbole.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:05:38 2011 No.7131768 ... And what was wrong with the english dubbing? Then again, I don't really need to ask this, do I? Since I can already predict the answers regardless of how good or bad they really are. I liked the english dubbing. So there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:06:38 2011 No.7131774 >>7131718 That size is fairly typical for most games, hell Black Ops is only 19gb and it is a AAA game. The fact is the majority of games you can see on consoles these days don't need anywhere near the amount of data you can fit on a Bluray.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Mar 22 14:06:38 2011 No.7131776 >>7131768 You are inferior. So there.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:08:38 2011 No.7131781

>>7131768

Whether the dub is good or bad is pretty irrelevant. Sony's policy is horrible. If a developer can afford a dub, that's great. If they can't, but can afford a text translation, that is not a reason to block the game from release.

The situation we have now is that many companies either don't bring games over, bring games over with the cheapest dub they can get, or undub. All those options suck for players and suck for the localizer/publisher.

Sudo !Tohsaka8ks Tue Mar 22 14:09:38 2011 No.7131784

>>7131765
I'm still semi-hopeful that Kenzan will get localized, but as time goes on it's becoming increasingly unlikely. This post from someone who works at Sega is kind of vague as to whether or not it'll ever happen. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=25997468&postcount=460

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:12:38 2011 No.7131797

>>7131768
I'm usually one to play on an English dub, but we're not really talking about which dub is better. Just that Sony has some ass-backward companies when companies try to localize games.
>>7131756
>But even then, the imports so far are all puzzlers/shmups.
Probably since you don't really need to translate anything to make those games playable to a foreign audience. They're extremely straightforward.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:21:38 2011 No.7131838 >>7131774 Well as it is most multiplatform games are made to fix on discs the 360 uses, not the PS3. Big PS3 exclusives like Killzone 3 and God of War 3 are fucking huge, though.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:29:38 2011 No.7131868

>>7131774
>>7131838
Almost all the space is used in 1080p movies and lossless (maybe even uncompressed?) audio.
So games that have a ton of these will be huge. I guess some multiplats might be lazy and not take advantage of the extra space, but who knows.
I'm sure >90% of AT Qoga's space is used in sound+movies, for example.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:33:38 2011 No.7131884 >>7131868 No the majority of the space is used on uncompressed textures.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:41:38 2011 No.7131917 PCSX2 has actually progressed to the point where it can play through entire games without problems?

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:42:38 2011 No.7131921 File: 1.15 MB, 1132x678, ar tonelico.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh. Ar Tonelico, you and your endless confused double entendres.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:49:38 2011 No.7131950 >>7131917 For some games, such as Ar Tonelico, Persona and Tales of series. I played them and I finished them without any major problem.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:50:38 2011 No.7131954

>>7131884
Don't know about qoga, but this is definitely true for a lot of games.
FF14 and MGS4 should not be the examples you think of when you think about space taken on the disc, those games are notorious for the amount of video and pre-rendered scenes in them.

No, most games the majority of the size is from graphics.
Big, dumb, unoptimized graphics.
Harddrives are getting obscenely huge and bluray disc capacity is greater than even the most graphically intensive game.

They could make it smaller and require less power to run at full speed, but they don't have to and just take the easy way so even a short game gets bloated to twenty gigs or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:51:38 2011 No.7131957 >>7131921 Hey, anon, set your plugin resolution to "native" if you are using the GSsomething plugin. Those lines will disappear .

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:51:38 2011 No.7131958 >>7131954 err meant FF13

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:54:38 2011 No.7131967

>>7131757
>It's why Agarest didn't get a Blu-Ray release on PS3.

In America. It got one in Europe/UK. Though I don't know if they kept the JP or they dubbed it.

>The game was localized in Europe as Agarest: Generations of War by Ghostlight. The company planned to publish a standard retail version and a collector’s edition, both released on October 30th, 2009 for PlayStation 3.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:58:38 2011 No.7131986 >>7131967 Well yeah, but we were talking about SCEA's policies, not SCEE's. Also this thread's hit the bump limit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 14:59:38 2011 No.7131988 Guys lets not forget we aren't on /v/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 15:05:38 2011 No.7132007 >>7131957 Oh wow, it did! Thanks a lot, anon. Nice of you to point that out. Now I can enjoy AT2 with spotless graphics from the get-go.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 15:10:38 2011 No.7132022

>>7131884
Obviously, I forget the fact that every video chip in current use has hardware to decompress certain texture formats and that some developers on the ps3 like to ignore that fact in order to fudge around some of the ps3's limitations. It's a case of using what you have to cover what you don't.

The number of games that have pre-rendered cut scenes absolutely dwarf the number that don't, and I still suspect that loseless audio takes up a large portion.

>>7131917
There are quite a few games that work, though. I don't use my launch ps2 much anymore, except for problem games.
Graphics glitches aren't uncommon though most aren't that bad.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 15:14:38 2011 No.7132037

I am really liking the lore and feel of Ar Tonelico. The central song theme along with the top notch soundtrack make it a very pleasant experience on their own, but the whole world has a very interestingly artificial feel to it. And even after finishing AT1, there's still plenty of details about the history of the tower and the Reyvateils and whatnot that you're sort of left wanting to hear more.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 15:14:38 2011 No.7132040

I've had a few glitches in AT2. None of them game-breaking and some of them are pretty hilarious, like when Croix clips through the ground near a treasure chest into darkness, or when a character portrait appears and half of their face is missing.
It detracts from some of the emotional scenes, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 15:18:38 2011 No.7132056 >>7132037 Thats why I wish there was going to be a sequel to III/Q where they could do (more) cast meetups and maybe find out more of the past civilizations now that Ar Ciel now has a surface again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 15:21:38 2011 No.7132073 >>7132040 The Croix glitch scared me the first time I had it.... Once, he fell in the darkness and never came back. I had to reset the game. (´･ω･`)

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 18:10:38 2011 No.7132750 The DLC pack for 6$ is going up today; Harvestasha's personality packs are, as well. Also, someone make a new thread.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 20:11:38 2011 No.7133123

>>7132037
A lot of people feel the same way, myself included. There is a huge wealth of information on the history and mechanics of the Ar Tonelico setting in the settei books, and the toukousphere interactions with the fans. A lot of energy and passion went into creating the entire setting and fleshing out the world that never quite gets touched upon in the games proper.

Anonymous Tue Mar 22 21:02:38 2011 No.7133270

>>7131644
>From what I understand, space limitations on the PS2 disc caused NISA to remove a portion of the Japanese dub in order to fit in the English dub.

Incorrect. There's more than enough space for the Japanese track. There's a crap tonne of space used up in a dummy soundtrack.

The suspicion is that 'they' simply ran out of time/budget and had to ship. That's why the editing is half backed; barely done in the bonus cosmosphere in the first place and why the only the stuff that was voiced had proper editing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 22:16:38 2011 No.7133471 I haven't played Ar Tonelico Qoga yet, but how do the Binary World and personality packs work exactly? I don't want to download something yet and end up changing the story or something.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 23:22:38 2011 No.7133633 >>7133471 At one point you have to reprogram Harvestasha's shitty personality. I haven't gotten around to doing it yet, but I assume you get to choose from the packs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 22 23:47:38 2011 No.7133690 New thread is up: >>7133683

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