/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Hey /jp/, I just want to take a survey.

When you read manga/VNs or watch anime what do you look for? What gives you the most enjoyment? Is it intelligent plots that end very deep, is it the interactions between characters and the warm feelings, is it just the animation or style? Maybe comedy or action, insane power levels or normal people doing normal things?

I want to write for fun and was just wondering what people liked. I know what I do will never be good or released, but still knowing what people like is interesting itself.

I'd like this to be primarily about VNs, but anime and manga are fine too since they all convey a story.

[Anonymous No.]

Strangely enough, when I'm reading VNs or manga, I prefer REAL DEAL. But when it comes to anime, I fall for stuff like Aria, K-ON, Hidamari, etc. quite easily.

Above all else though, I think characters are the most important thing to me. If they give me the opportunity to really embrace the cast, I'll enjoy pretty much anything.

[Anonymous No.]

> but still knowing what people like is interesting itself.

People like everything you listed. Different people have different tastes and go for different things. In the end, you can either choose a specific audience to appeal to by choosing a couple of these elements, or just make shit that you, yourself like. Doesn't matter what you make - there will be those who hate it and those who love it. Try not to get too caught up in the specifics of what people prefer.

[‮‮suomynonA‬‬ No.]

I like harem comedy ecchi school life shounen manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665190
I'll have to go with this guy. As shallow as it sounds, I enjoy VNs when there's tons of conflict going on, with people dying back and forth, the world or the main character being in constant danger and shit constantly getting real.
That being said, I also really get a kick from plots that mix something unusual into the story, but keeping a feeling of being grounded on reality without blowing everything out of proportion.

[Anonymous No.]

>What gives you the most enjoyment?
good writing

[Anonymous No.]

I was getting caught up on Zetman earlier today and I've got to say manga like that really pulls me in. Just intelligent stories with twists and alliances that keep changing. I read a lot of 'psychological' manga though.

I think a lot of it is the drawing up of suspense and then the reveal. For me if it drags on too long or if it gets too 'slow' I'm prone to drop it. I want to constantly wonder what's going to happen next and to know there's something to look forward to. Things like comedic breaks turn me off, as do side stories.

[Anonymous No.]

I tend to prefer something lighter with a somewhat melancholic feeling and strong thematics.
Also I really dig fantasy settings.

[Anonymous No.]

Cute little girls doing cute things. Slice of like is good, some ecchi is fine too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665173
I'm not really a manga person but for anime/VN I more-or-less have three types that I look for.

1. For action genre I can pretty much stomach anything, but in particular I don't mind the whole generic formula of shounen manga; hero getting a resolve, hero training, hero fighting, etc. Favourites would be Soul Eater and Hunter x Hunter. Don't have any particular hates.

2. For plot genre I generally only enjoy mysteries. The mysteries have to be well-thought out (no ass-pulls) and unravelled in a climatic way. Favourites include Ever17, Cross Channel, Persona4, 999, Higurashi, and etc (long list). Dislikes include 11eyes (anime-only).

3. For slice-of-life genre I have two preferences: moe-plotless and plots involving otakus. Moe slice-of-life to me is just relaxing to watch and often the characters are very cute, while otaku slice-of-life I can relate to on some level. Examples include K-ON, Welcome to the NHK, Genshiken and Ressentiment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665213
I've got to say, I like your tastes. That's pretty much mine exactly.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm right about to go to bed and will explain further tomorrow but I'll say that my top 3 anime are Aoi Hana, Haruhi, and Gurren Lagann.

Other shows I really like include Kaiji and Madoka. My viewing of older anime is highly lacking.

The only three visual novels I've read are Moonshine, Tsukihime and Katawa Shoujo, but of those my favorite was Moonshine.

I guess I'd say I like... romance stories?

[Anonymous No.]

If it's not plotless, I just want to know that what happens has an impact on the story. If it's not shounen and the main character uses some special way to beat the baddie that has a cost, I don't want the cost to be meaningless in the next two arcs. I want him to deal with the cost.

He loses an arm in a fight? I want him to get the resolve to get revenge or whatever and to work around his disability in order to win/survive. I don't want him having it healed perfectly or replaced with some robot arm that functions perfectly and works fine.

Just make sure everything matters, not counting plotless moe. Moe and shounen are fine that way.

[Anonymous No.]

OP here, thanks for your replies so far. I was also wondering things that you've seen that you thought worked or didn't work and why. And characters you just couldn't like or relate to at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665233
That's a pretty hard question because there hasn't been many times I thought a particular character/plot didn't work, at best I could probably just list minor ones.

G-Senjou no Maou
When Tsubaki's brother got kidnapped and they showed her breaking down and whining about it was quite bad. Was not very interesting or enjoyable to read.
>Poorly-written angst

Soul Link
Morimoto puts Shuhei's gun/bag in his fridge for no reason. Not sure if it was meant to be funny or just show the 'quirky butler' side of Morimoto but it was a red herring of the highest calibur.
>Plothole / red-herring w/o explanation

KiraKira
Did not dig the explanations behind music or the slice-of-life scenes, probably more of a personal taste thing though.
>Lack of moe/relatibility in slice-of-life scenes.

Very, very minor things though. Thinking/remembering these is quite a feat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665304
>moe/relatibility
That's actually all very good analysis, but I thought this was funny since I tend to see "moe" as the opposite of relatibility since so much of what people call moe is boring, flat cliche. I assume you're meaning it more in the way that people used to use it before more became a commodity?

[Anonymous No.]

When I played VN, I prefer REAL DEAL.
For manga, I prefer REAL DEAL too like Berserk.
But I do accept and love the other extreme opposite of REAL DEAL like WA!, Sora no Shita Yane no Naka or that manga about a genius kid making a god out of a box.

What I hate is inbetween crap like most of the shounen crap out there, corean manwha and harem shit.

For anime I prefer stuff like GA, Ika Musume, Aria, IM, Manabi Straight, Minami-ke, Azumanga and etc.
This season is especially great with stuff like yuru yuri and croisee airing.

Some medium are just better for certain genre in my opinion. For example timeloop in anime/manga will never work as well as their VN counterpart.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the most important thing for any medium is appealing characters. after that I'd say a well concieved scenario is probably the second most important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665367
Eroge are the best at doing moe, you just never played any good moege

[Anonymous No.]

I like good writing.
I also don't like trying too hard.
If someone aims to create simply a lighthearted piece of entertainment, a lot more is forgivable than when he's trying to create a completely serious REAL DEAL literary masterpiece.
I particularly dislike introducing retarded plot for the sake of plot into otherwise perfectly fine slice of life stories. When it's just character-driven drama, it can still be fine - but when it's some kind of abruptly thrown in fantasy/sci-fi genre shift bullshit, it's bound to make the whole work suck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665366
>For anime I prefer stuff like GA, Ika Musume, Aria, IM, Manabi Straight, Minami-ke, Azumanga and etc.
A man after my own hea-
>This season is especially great with stuff like yuru yuri
>yuru yuri
>great
What the fuck is wrong with you.

[Anonymous No.]

In general, I look for moe stuff, cute girls doing cute things or simply lighthearted comedies. I find it hard to force myself through a deep/serious plot. It tends to get pretty... boring. But I also enjoy something depressing that makes me sad/cry, both as an anime or VN. For anime, I completely stopped watching serious shows and just watch lighthearted stuff. For VN's though, I can still enjoy a serious plot, but my preference remains.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665233

My biggest issue with Kara no Sjoujo was how undeveloped every romance option but Toko was. Other than Toko, almost none of the characters get acceptable levels of character development to justify a sex scene.

Orihime is one of the worst offenders, especially since there is absolutely no detail of her prostitution and drug ring or why the fuck she did in the first place. No details are given of what happened or how the other girls were involved, or what their relationship with Orihime was, so it was impossible to care about the whole thing. We're told she did it because her family life was claustrophobic, but we don't see the family life that drove her to it, so her actions lack any relatable or believable basis. In literature you can't just ask your audience to imagine a motivation for a character: you have to detail it. Orhime as written is an interesting character with fair potential, but she lacks so much key development she really shouldn't be there at all (but I think the whole first case was kind of unnecessary).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665455

This is because the dating in the game system of Kara no Shoujo has to be structured so that you don't actually enter a relationship until the sex scene—which then immediately moves into your death and/or hers. Thus, your relationship ends the second it begins, and the short dates don't give nearly enough character development. In cases where the sex scenes are supposed to be meaningless or creepy and strange, this technique actually works great—Nene's femme fatale ending, Natsume's casual sex, and Mizuhara Toko's very disturbing end all work great for this reason.

Let's face it—if we wanted just porn there are much better ways to get it. When we play VNs, we want the relationship, the character development; we want more of that person because we like them. Kara no Shoujo abruptly ends relationships once they get to that point, which is a shame, because if tragedy is their goal then continued character development is essential for strengthening that impact. If they don't want to do that, the girl shouldn't be there in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665367
this

[Anonymous No.]

I'm mostly okay with almost anything as long as it ends well. I don't like dark, depressing or too realistic stories, because life is already shit as it is　and I want none of that in my fiction.
The rest depends on my mood. Sometimes I prefer cute girls and warm feelings, sometime I can enjoy a more serious story.

[Anonymous No.]

Action is, I think, one of the hardest things in the entire world to write, which is why most great action series tend to work by making the drama surrounding the action exciting, rather than the action itself.

As anyone who's watched Bayformers or the Star Wars prequels can attest, non-stop action actually can be really boring when everyone involved has less personality than a slice of cold pizza.

That being said, manga actually tends to do this startlingly well, usually by pilling on twist after twist so that even the most fantastic premise has a believable and satisfying flow and conclusion. Death Note, HunterXHunter, and the earliest yugioh all pulled this off very well.

[Anonymous No.]

I read VNs for love stories. Sure, a complex, well-structrued plot is of course going to be better than sappy choose-your-girl romance stuff, but the love component is paramount for me to like a game. Stories that end with the couple just kissing are a huge letdown, I guess eroge spoiled me a little on this. Once people fuck, you know the relationship is pretty serious. Not going to argue, on a lot of them it feels forced, but if I were to choose I'd rather have bad, partially obscured sex scenes over no sex scenes.
As far as genre goes, I like a bit of action in my stories, like supernatural powers and stuff, but not over-the-top powerlevel shit. Low fantasy is great as well, as is (pseudo-)historical fiction.
Biggest turnoff would be writer's masturbation. I can't stand reading something which you just know the writer intended to be very deep or touching or funny but fails to deliver. Ten times so when it's about the whole game concept, see the whole plethora of amateur "mystery" games where you can just imagine the authors fapping over their well constructed plot supposed to mindblow the reader. Knowing your bounds and not stretching too much is a good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665420
I take it you havent watch the yuru yuri.
Your lost silly anon.
Just look at the OP with 3 of them doing cute feet tap and sway.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm15056638
Kyouko is probably one of the best character we have in a while.

>>7665406
Any good example of this?
Most of the moeges are just different cookie cutter girl fetish/archetype that want your cock all of the sudden.
I cannot take it easy like this. I hate trying to trigger event flags and score points for each of them.

When the story is engaging and good enough in the VN, it makes you want to finish the game. I finished most VN in 1 or 2 sitting usually.
When it is just moe and generic harem romance, I dont have the motivation to finish them. It took me 2years to finish clannad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665499
I love silly slice of life.
I have watched the first two episodes.
I have read quite a bit of the manga.
Yuru Yuri is... vile.
Leaving aside being a mockery of yuri, this is honestly the worst cute girls doing cute things show I have seen, by a long shot.
The characters have some of the most flat personalities I have ever seen in a show that should be all about them.
Their interactions are reduced to unfunny jokes.
There's simply no feeling, neither between the characters nor seemingly in the creator towards her work.
It's unfunny, unlikable, bland, amorphous piece of lowest common denominator pseudo-moe shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665520
Sad to hear than you cant enjoy yuru yuri.
Maybe you can try to watch nekogami, uta hime, rokyubu or that NEET wannabe show. Maybe they are more up your alley.

[Anonymous No.]

Cute girls doing cute things in anime & manga and just cute girls being cute in VN.
Though I don't mind watching something with more serious plot or action and because of lack of series about cute girls I watch them quite often but I'll never read any VN that isn't slice of life, just can't stand them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665205
This, OP. Buy and read Reading Like a Writer by Francine Prose:
http://www.amazon.com/Reading-Like-Writer-Guide-People/dp/0060777044

Or download it, I never looked to see if I could find a .pdf.

Regardless of how you get it, it's a short, easy read that will get you thinking about writing in the same way you think about painting. That is, with an eye for technique and how your use of language can be a major factor in how enjoyable your writing is.

It's extremely easy to approach, don't think it's some scary technical book.

Don't just assume it's only for literature just because the writer pulls most of her examples from literature, either.

Overall, it's about making your writing something that is pleasurable to read, which is something I've found VN writers can be pretty horrible at, though I've only read FSN, MuvLuv, and 999.

MuvLuv in particular stands out to me as something that could have benefited greatly from someone who knew how to write better dialogue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665520
>I only watch mature anime for mature viewers like myself.
You make me sick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665636
How do you know if the game has good writing after going through translation?
The translator/editor might have just butchered the writing without you knowing it with their lack of ability in conveying the meaning in English.
We can only judge the VN with plot/story progression when we play translated VN.

[Anonymous No.]

If there are silly references you can catch I'll love it no matter what it's about. For example, Nurarihyon no Mago was immensely enjoyable because it exists entirely as a Toriyama Sekien homage with the fights mostly remaining as a secondary element, so finding all those one-panel cameos of various youkai was very entertaining. I also like it when less-used mythological figures are given the spotlight, so the likes of Stray Little Devil or the Shana novels are also great - it's really nice to see obscure gods like Zorya Utrennyaya or Ningirsu in modern works.

Besides that, I like heartwarming slice of life like Aria or anything Fujieda Miyabi draws.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665648
That is true, and I thought about it but decided my post was already getting too long.

It's actually mentioned briefly in the book I recommended, with the author talking about two different translations of a work where one had excellent writing and the other was also an accurate translation but not enjoyable to read.

[Anonymous No.]

Plot with drama or at least porn with loli.
I'd prefer plot + drama + porn + loli, but it doesn't probably exist. Kodomo no jikan is quite close though.

I don't like slice of lives, warm feelings(they make me jelly) and prefer when something bad happens(like Schools days)

>I was also wondering things that you've seen that you thought worked or didn't work and why

Almost any maid in anime/manga/VN is pathethic to the point where they should be fired on spot.

>Hisui, wake up Shiro earlier
>I refuse


There're other reasons, best demonstrated in "The kind of maids I really hate" (picrelated). by Kaoru Mori (known for Emma).

> And characters you just couldn't like or relate to at all?
I can relate myself only to Makoto from School Days and that saber girl from Kanon(at least VN's Kanon). And she was not even MC. I can't relate myself to other characters, mainly because they're either too extroverted or too crippled and cling to someone too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665642
Reading comprehension sure is a rare talent these days, eh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665648
Your point is valid, but at the same time, retarded.

If you are reading the translation, and the translation has bad writing, it is bad; whether that's the fault of the translator or the author doesn't matter. It changes who you point the finger at, but it won't stop the writing from sucking. Obviously we can only judge from the translation, but we can judge the translation.

This is why the Retrans troll project was so hilarious; "Cudder" believed, or pretended to believe, that the quality of words was irrelevant to the experience, therefore a machine translation should be just as meaningful as one done by humans.

[Anonymous No.]

Sure is /a/ in here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665716
>I can relate myself only to Makoto from School Days
I really hope we'll never meet irl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665648
>We can only judge the VN with plot/story progression when we play translated VN.
Uh, no, not by a long shot.
The only thing that gets lost in literal translations is the style, flow, and structure of the prose itself - there's much, much more to good writing than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665720
>If you are reading the translation, and the translation has bad writing, it is bad; whether that's the fault of the translator or the author doesn't matter. It changes who you point the finger at, but it won't stop the writing from sucking.
It matters when people judge a writer's skill based on a translation.
"I didn't like the writing" is ok, "Romeo/Nasu sucks and can't write for shit" when you don't even actually read what they wrote, is not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665648
>We can only judge the VN with plot/story progression when we play translated VN.
Uh, no, not by a long shot.
The only thing that gets lost in literal translations is the style, flow, and structure of the prose itself on a sentence level - there's much, much more to good writing than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665732
You take those away and what do you have left?
Story, screenplay and plot progression.

[Anonymous No.]

You all should already know that translations are merely hazy reinterpretations of the original works.

[Anonymous No.]

Now, that "Shameimaru Aya is my Girlfriend" is gone
there are no decent posters on /jp/.

He was too good for this place anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665730
Sure, that's fair. But when I say a VN is poorly written I hope it's understood I'm talking about the version I can read.

But for the record, a lack of character development or plot holes can be discerned without the original. And by the same token, improper grammatical constructions can indicate the translation is at fault, particularly if they're the kind of mistakes common to translating Japanese idioms into English.

I just want to challenge the claim that the original is completely unknowable, since I often hear people arguing that we have no right to complain about the translation quality or the writing quality because we don't know Japanese, and I think that's not entirely true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665770

shamwow is my gf was just another shitty image dumper

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665760
Mind you, the very act of reading is still a reinterpretation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665775
He was the only one here with any class.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665742
>The only thing that gets lost in literal translations is the style, flow, and structure of the prose itself on a sentence level
and this is absolutely huge, which is why literal translations are terrible.

Read Murakami in English and you can tell that he is a good writer without a question. But then again, he's translated by real pros, so it's not the same as a VN, where you have no idea what you might be getting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665782
Is IQ84 out yet?
I have been waiting for that book since forever.

[Anonymous No.]

i watch my animus for the comedy, both intentional and unintentional

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665732
>screenplay
Don't change what you said please, everything can be lumped into that. Responding to your post that I actually quoted:
Characters, their interaction and motives, character development, setting, humor, building the mood, structure and flow on scene level are just some parts of writing that don't necessarily have anything to do - although some of them can - with progressing the story(as story is understood here).
Since after a work gets translated we're not only left being able to see what happens, we're still able to see how it happens - and that's more than enough to judge whether a writer is competent or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665777
I'm not sure I ever saw someone using translation gap as a shield when defending plot holes or character development.
It's mostly used (and I use it) when people who don't know any better post hilariously awkward sentences to diss a particular writer. And sometimes the writing style IS one of the charms of a game, and telling someone who read the translation that you liked it for the script is just going to be taken for hype or shit taste, and I can't help but feel that's unfair towards the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665732
>screenplay
Don't change what you said please, everything can be lumped into that. Responding to your post that I actually quoted:
Characters, their interaction and motives, character development, setting, humor, building the mood, structure and flow on scene level are just some parts of writing that don't necessarily have anything to do - although some of them can - with progressing the story(as story is understood here).
After a work gets translated we're not only left being able to see what happens, we're still able to see how it happens - and that's more than enough to judge whether a writer is competent or not.

[Anonymous No.]

Romance and plot.

Character development goes along.

[Anonymous No.]

I tend to prefer happier stories and marathon those. Not necessarily lighthearted. They can be plot heavy, as long as they are "happy" overall (not SO SWEET I NOW HAVE DIABETES, just generally uplifting, even if it has drama and tragedy up the ass).
I can still enjoy a good dark story, just in smaller doses. I was reading Kikokugai last week, and I was barely doing a chapter every sitting because the whole "girl got gangraped and murdered and is still getting raped as gynoids" and general dark mood in a serious story put me off from reading too much.
On the other hand I pretty much marathoned... say, Symphonic Rain, despite being so rageworthy and tragic at times, because it was still somewhat happy.

[Anonymous No.]

I only watch comedy and cute girl shows, my mother gave me a complex about violence in fictional media.

[Anonymous No.]

Character interaction mainly.

Just got through Chaos;Head and I was utterly bored from his solo-life right until like chapter 8 when he finally started to hang around more people.

I also only really like good ends.

[Anonymous No.]

sounds like someone read themselves some azuma hiroki (or if not, should immediately in the immediate future)

but on my part, I like engaging narratives but plot really doesn't dictate very much, whereas a "feeling" that you catch through motifs and details means a lot to me--say for example, a certain expression or reaction in a slice of life or a nuanced gesture which warms the heart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665777
>But when I say a VN is poorly written I hope it's understood I'm talking about the version I can read.
When someone says a VN is poorly written it's natural to assume they're talking about the VN itself, since that's what they said, and not the translation. How are we supposed to know which version they've read anyways?

[Anonymous No.]

I like something that is in someway different or intriguing. Barring that, it has to be well-written or have a very likable cast of characters.

In anime, I prefer either quasi-philosophical (even postmodern at times) themes, or comedy with lovable characters that relate in a moe way to some interests of mine.

Examples would be: Sayounara Zetsubou Sensei, Yojouhan Shinwa Taikei, .hack/sign, Ghost in the Shell, Azumanga, Madoka, Eva, FLCL, Kino no Tabi, Cardcaptor Sakura, and Welcome to the NHK.

In manga, I generally lean more towards Seinen like Oyasumi Punpun, 20th Century Boys, Akira, Monster, and Berserk. I also like SoL and lighthearted stuff like Yotsuba, Azumanga, and some other 4Koma like K-On! and Hidamari.

In VNs, I greatly prefer plot and character development above all else. I also enjoy vast disparities between the outcomes and new/different character development based on different routes/choices/flags.

Some VNs I prefer are School Days, Tsukihime, Higurashi, Sengoku Rance (VNish...), and Kono Yo no Hate de Koi wo Utau Shoujo YU-NO.

A lot of namedropping I know, but I think that gives a pretty good summation of my preferences.

[Anonymous No.]

A good atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665636
that sounds like a good way to ruin your fun. either you're going to find out that nasu's writing is as bad as takeuchi's drawing and decide a game you used to like is actually terrible, or you don't care and nothing changes.

[Sakura !RAILgUnr8s No.]

>>7665173
For one, I will not read/watch something that has dark themes/depressing endings/etc. So I make sure of that.

The protagonist is important. I don't like multiple protagonists. I don't like protagonists that are bad guys or do bad things (drugs, crime, etc) or act like they are so hard done by.

If it's going to be a slice of life, or 'moe' show or some shit like that, it has to be funny. Otherwise I will be bored out of my brain reading/watching it.

I don't like anime or manga in which part of appeal of the series is supposed to be the 'cuteness' of the characters. It is annoying, and seems to let the series surf on that, rather than any actual good entertaining qualities.

It can't have much fanservice. Preferably none.

No lewdness.

If it's a VN it obviously can't be translated when I read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7667351
It's stupid to gauge how good someone's dialogues are if you are reading a translation. A fantranslation, what's more. Specially from a language so different as sugoi nihongo. Lots of details in the writing and dialogue might be lost.

I'd know, I've tried translating books from spanish to english and even if you are good, shit IS lost or changed.

[Trite Hen !fSeTp6ahzo No.]

survey this *grabs dick*

[Anonymous No.]

1. No Slice of Life (unless having some daily dose science ala Real Drive). Animation must be cranked to the max, or make it live action.

2. No Magical Girls, or The Power of Love; tastes too much like diabetes. Things must be settled with hot-blooded insanity.

3. Must have Militaristic view/ global scope, unless extremely poignant and hilarious.

4. Science Fiction. Lots of it.

Take all of this, and you've got the show of my dreams. Come on, Ketsui/R-Type OVA...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7667430
Get out of here, cunt.

[Trite Hen !fSeTp6ahzo No.]

>>7667860
don't you have nicer things to say than " cunt " ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7667865
To her kind, I'm afraid not.

[Trite Hen !fSeTp6ahzo No.]

>>7667868
oh it's a girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>7665775
No, he wasn't.