/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any good English language VNs?

[Anonymous No.]

Dandy girl obviously, as it was made by /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755435
Wat.

[Anonymous No.]

Planescape: Torment.

[Anonymous No.]

I've heard Katawa Shoujo compared to Dostoyevsky's later works, but I have yet to read it myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755441
this

[Anonymous No.]

Mass Effect

[Anonymous No.]

no

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755443
Get out KS Devs.

[Anonymous No.]

Gayblade the Ass Slayer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755441
/jp/ (not me) should make a Planescape VN.

[Anonymous No.]

This is 4chan, not 2channel/Futaba. Stop saging in every post, that's not how it works here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755485
Hurt feelings and butt ranged.

It's okay though, it'll still make the memecop autists here rage like crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

Planescape Torment is the greatest OELVN ever created.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755485
I still laugh at how 4chan doesn't understand what sage means.

If only I knew moon so I wouldn't have to spend time on a board that imports foreign concepts and then DOES IT WRONG all the time.

Using sage as a way to "insult" someone's post or thread is just completely wrong and a retarded misuse of a good feature that is so popular in sites like 2ch and Futaba. Fuck, iichan and 4-ch do it right. It's just 4chan and 4chan's lame knockoffs that fail at using sage.

The true meaning of sage means that YOUR POST isn't worthy enough to bump the thread. It's ironic, because you think that you're insulting others while you're just, in fact, insulting yourself. Yes, sage can be used when posting a derogatory comment in a thread that you don't want to bump, but posting with just the word "sage" accomplishes nothing but contribute to spamming the board. The trend of replying with the name of a tripfag and sage is even worse, as it accomplishes nothing and only serves to increase the e-penis of whoever you're "attacking".

The sage feature was never meant to serve as an implied insult or general disagreement! Why people started using it that way is beyond me. There are plenty of reasons why one would choose not to bump a thread with his reply. For example, bumping threads with stupid one liner replies should be discouraged and those people should be coerced into using sage instead.

I want to use sage, yet I almost never do it on 4chan because people will jump on me thinking I'm insulting their post or something.

[Anonymous No.]

Neither regions nor language have anything to do with the medium.
Mediums are in no way region specific.

And the idea of "OEL-Medium X" is flawed by concept.
Just say "western made VN" or something like everyone else. Or, "non-asian VNs" or whatever you can come up.
I am sure you can think of something.

[Anonymous No.]

I'd say the answer is different for everyone and depends on two things:
1) Your standards and tastes, simply: some people require more from a work to call it good, and everyone likes different things.
2) Whether you are sympathising with the makers and their situation or not.

Second meaning the following: there have been no big budget English VNs so far. Obviously, if you take a random OELVN and Muv Luv Alternative or something, it's going to pale in comparison. These compete in completely different leagues. However, if you think of these VNs as something mostly made by young hobbyists in their free time and look at it from that standpoint instead of comparing them to Japanese blockbusters, well, I've found some of them enjoyable and well-written, and at least equal to many Japanese doujin games in terms of quality.

So I'd call some English VNs good, but someone who has higher standards, different tastes and/or who compares them to Fate/Stay Night and Muramasa rather than May Sky and Red Shift might think differently. And I'm okay with that, because my taste isn't necessarily better than anyone else's.

But ultimately, you'll have to play a few to find an answer for yourself, OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755435
list of original english VNs on vndb ordered by rating:
http://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=tagspoil-0.olang-en;o=d;s=rating

there you go OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755518
Though that's partly a popularity ranking, too. Compare the raw scores of KS and that whatever Magical Diary thing for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755503
>complaining about how no one knows what sage is really for, when he doesn't even know what he's doing to the thread by continuously using it

Durrrrr. The person who got reasonably butt mad at you for using sage in this thread was mad because by using sage in this situation, you're letting the thread fall back onto the later pages, thus getting it less traffic, thus letting it have less potentionally interesting discussion, and finally letting it 404.

Depending on when you use sage, it can be interpreted as the person wanting the thread to die, not wanting to bump with a shitpost, and some other things. There is no "true" meaning of sage you dumbshit, and if you could actually read moonspeak, you'd know that the people on 2ch and whatnot use it in the same ways we do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755539
It's because it's bayeasian rating, which is a good thing. It wouldn't be that hard to find ten people to give max votes. Those votes for magical diary are a bit fishy.

I guess that's the problem with OELVN, there aren't enough votes. But at least when you see they have bad scores you know they are bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755551
> by using sage in this situation, you're letting the thread fall back onto the later pages, thus getting it less traffic, thus letting it have less potentionally interesting discussion, and finally letting it 404.

Yes, exactly? If you haven't noticed already, /jp/ is not very fond of OELVNs so nobody wants to bump this thread. That's not very hard to figure out you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755598
You're speaking for the entirety of /jp/? And you're also saying you don't want interesting discussion? I could see why some of /jp/ would dislike OELVN's, being what they are, but they're still VN's and that has to give them some merit.

Different guy then >>7755551

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755598
Just for that I am going to bump this thread whenever it is on the last page. Fucking closed minded dip shits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755704
>and that has to give them some merit.
What? No. It's nothing more than a medium.

>>7755551
Welcome to /jp/. Just thought I'd let you know you're replying to some of the most reposted kopipe we have around here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755748
>kopipe
lol wap
just say copypasta like everyone else
special snowflake

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755768
I bet you don't pronounce "sage" as 下げ, either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755748
>kopipe
LOOK EVERYONE AM I JAPANESE YET?
I'M USING JAPANESE ON AN ENGLISH-LANGUAGE SITE!
AM I JAPANESE YET?

[Anonymous No.]

Asshurt OELVN dev ITT

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755777
I pronounce sage as "holy fuck the amount of pimples on your face must be even larger than the number of VNs you've played".

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755783
>>7755788
Get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755810
Nope.

Staying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755513
>Neither regions nor language have anything to do with the medium.
>Mediums are in no way region specific.

>Just say "western made VN" [...] [or] "non-asian VNs"

You're quite the funny guy.


Onto OP's topic, KS is okay, and I plan to read Dandygirl and Ripple soon since I've heard good things about them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755822
That autistic faggot just got burned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755435
Knights of the Old Republic was pretty good. I got Bastilla's H-scene on my first run through, it was great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755897
Visas Marr is my wife.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755897
I tried to play this one called Arcanum but holy fuck the sidegame tacked on to it is such a pain in the ass to play if you don't spam Harm.
Also no porn or H wtf

[Anonymous No.]

I sure love them nokosage

As for your question, nope, most of them is shit. Try playing everything on that Ren'Py list to see if you find a good one eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755914
Only need nokosage on retarded boards which take offense to sage. Even then I just leave sage on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755845
There are western and eastern books.
The medium of "books" still aren't tied to any region though.

But OEL just screams "Hey this is a 'Japanese' work not made in Japan!".

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755920
But why do you even CARE on other boards? WHY? WHAT IS THE POINT?!

[Anonymous No.]

Just out of curiosity how many of those OELVN have you played /jp/?
I've only played KS and that isn't even finished.

[Anonymous No.]

I browsed through the renpy forums awhile back while looking for tips on how to start a VN project.
From what I gather, it's full of 12-18 year old yaoi fan girls that can't draw. I don't think I'll be playing any renpy games anytime soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755931
It's just so he can stroke his own dick for being so "refined".

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755931
The mentally ill no 'point'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755931
I don't. I editted my email cookie so it just stays sage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755897
>No Mission route.
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

Digital: A Love Story was pretty good, although its not like most traditional VNs. The music and setting was really interesting. Short, but I enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755435

I actually liked "Don't take it personally, babe,
it just ain't your story". It's what I want from OELVNs. It doesn't try to imitate the Japanese writing style.

Only thing it has in common with Japanese visual novels is the manga art style. That's how OELVNs should be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755956
Devs just weren't ballsy enough to deal with the flak they would have got for JB

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755960
I think the screenshot in the OP is more than enough to dissuade any sane person from trying that game.

[Anonymous No.]

I played "The best eroge ever" because this guy kept telling me it was fun. And yeah it made me giggle, but that was the only good thing about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755960

Get out dev.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755973
You should try Anon's Nice Day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755960
This. My personal favourite is Gakuen Redux. The graphics are really minimalistic, but the writing is great and the story is more mature/serious compared to many Japanese works.

I think more people would enjoy OELVNs if they simply let themselves. Of course, many people aren't curious about them and are content with Japanese ones, but in that case, it's better to hide the threads than to spam them with flaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755960
What if someone made a VN that took the piss out of the Japanese writing style you speak of?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755987

It's been done before and it's not funny.

Like at all.

They're on the same level as Kappa Mikey.

[Anonymous No.]

Anon's Nice Day, KS JUST KIDDING IT'S NEVER COMING OUT , and you can play the Dandygirl VN or just wait for the rewrite later this year.

[Anonymous No.]

The only western VN I've played is KS and I liked it. I admit that I have a bigotry on things made by the western fans. Bad fanfictions and artworks have biased me a lot. OPs pic related, it makes me cringe.

[Anonymous No.]

So far I've only read KS, and it was pretty decent.Too bad it will never come out though

[Anonymous No.]

Ah, I also played witches & woodlands. Not bad for a parody.

[Anonymous No.]

So I just read through Ripples (which took all of 10 minutes to do), and I gotta say, it wasn't that bad.

But one thing about it gets to me. The guy you play as (Koda) Sounds waaaay too much like Neko (protag from TWEWY) in both dialog and voice.

[Anonymous No.]

I still don't get why there aren't any good western nukige. is it really just because there aren't enough good artists?

also planescape is fucking shit. go back to /v/ with those stupid opinions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756391
Western people don't want to stain their name with porn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756391
shit art
shit voice acting if any

[Anonymous No.]

Bionic Heart. Girl is such a good woman that she NTRs your ass in one ending

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756619
>shit art
Not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756706
I'm afraid so. Try looking at the CGs of the game in the OP without gagging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756713
Show me one that is shitty please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756713
The CG and net profile artist is completely different than the character artist. And also sucks.

The character artist, however, is gold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756391
AIF is basically the western nukige, but they don't count as a VN. A few have images created for the game, but thats about as close as you'll get. Most AIF games are also complete shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756740
The sprites are free resources, not made specifically for the project.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756391
It's just hard to get western artists to fucking draw porn.
Did work on a project as a character writer, basically had to find a way to write AROUND showing someone's dick because the artists were too "afraid" or "not confident of their skill in anatomy" to draw someone fucking, despite having retardedly detailed character sprites and - and I'm no art aficionado here I'm just some guy who thinks he can write - some pretty decent looking CGs. If I had a quarter of their skill I'd do nothing but draw dicks but whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755452

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756749
what is AIF?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755461
>Updated my journal, uguu~

>Morte-kun you're annoying, stop it!

[Anonymous No.]

I'd actually love to make a nukige, but there's too much shame around the idea of making one. Most decent western people wouldn't create pornography, since they've been brainwashed with Christianity and the idea of sex as sin since childhood unlike the Japanese. We can't bear the thought of having our names associated with porn for that reason.

[Anonymous No.]

In Japan, the porn and mainstream trade artists constantly, but in the west, porn is pretty much online only and an inescapable ghetto. The comic industry doesn't politely ignore big name artists releasing porn fan comics at comiket—imagine if fucking frank miller did that.

Remember, the person who did an official pokemon manga also wrote fucking anal justice. Can you imagine the outcry if parents found out about that? No editor wants to take that kind of risk.

Finally, the idea of porn with plot is completely lost on the west because they're so squeamish and guilty about it. They expect porn to be dirty because they're brought up thinking sex is dirty. So even a nukige would be baffling to most people.

In turn, this makes it hard to get good writers or artists involved in the project.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756814
Figured anyone interested would just google it.

AIF is Adult Interactive Fiction. Interactive fiction being like old muds some of you have probably played. Someone creates a story and you play by manually putting in commands and reading descriptions of everything(go north, examine item, ask person about x, etc.).

But like I said, very few of them have any image support so it doesn't really come that close to a VN. And most of them are horrible. However, excluding a few trashy flash games its probably the closest you'll get to a western nukige.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756824
That is the most asinine thing I've read all day

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756845

also anyone in the west who has any experience with the concept thinks of it as a joke because of the amount of actual (terrible) porn movies that attempt a story. westerners are getting less stuck up these days about mixing the two ideas in a serious way though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756878
Well, thanks for deconstructing my argument and telling me why it was wrong.

Seriously, though, if you find a fault in what I said, please point it out. I'd be happy to be wrong here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756878
He's got a point though especially if he was raised in a Catholic family.
>>7756886
Were you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756886
It's the idea that the Japanese make porn games because there wasn't a Christian influence is just retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756895
Something like that. Technically my parents were protestant, but they were very conservative and strict with traditional Christian values, so I identify with stories of those with a similar catholic upbringing. I'm sure many have had it worse than I did, but the shaming really got into me.

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's kind of misdirected to blame the west's aversion to sexual games on conservative christians. if you look around there's sex everywhere in western media. in tv shows, in advertisements, in the trashy magazines they sell in grocery stores, etc. of course the church-going crowd isn't going to get especially mad that you jerked off to a sex game instead of a sex magazine, they're too busy protesting the new signs at the local victoria's secret.

your average westerner isn't afraid of god or divine punishment, but he's terrified of being called out by his female peers for being a "creeper" who plays sex games.

>>7756849
never heard of that before. I was actually thinking about those shitty flash games that were popular on newgrounds when it comes to western porn games.

[Anonymous No.]

What about games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age?
You can even have a homo relationship besides the hetero ones, that's hard to find even in japanese visualnovels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756824
I've been writing an eroge scenario and I'm surprised by how fun it is to write ero. Makes me want to include more of it in the story. But I think the amount I plan on having will already turn away many artists if I ever try to make my script into an actual game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7756910
You don't have to be liberal to be Protestant, just look at the Puritans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7755517
Tsukihime being a doujin game made by hobbyist didn't stop it from being good in its time. English VNs are shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758000
The Japanese doujin VN scene is obviously a lot larger than the current English one. As a result, firstly, there are lots of mediocre works that we don't hear of, so you can't exactly equate the doujin scene's quality with that of Tsukihime. Secondly, when the scene is larger, the rare event that some doujin maker turns out to be gold is more likely to happen. And in the end, just look at the small amount of doujin success stories like that of Tsukihime even in the huge Japanese scene - you can't really expect similar luck here in the west for now, though you can always hope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758029
" amount of doujin success stories like that of Tsukihime even in the huge Japanese scene "
Look harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758151
There are many, yeah, but compare it with the enormous amount of Japanese people making mediocre games year after year with no success. Successes like that make up surely less than 1% of the whole scene.

Another factor is also that Tsukihime, as most big Japanese doujin successes, is commercial. In the west, we have probably a dozen, two dozens at max, commercial VNs. Taking that into account, you can't really complain about not having a western Tsukihime yet... the pool is simply too small for the very rare chance event that doujin success is to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758151
Um, it really is small. There are tons of vns every comiket that you've never heard of.

But to answer the larger question, Tsukihime was talking to an already existing audience, one much larger than the west. There was an opening for a action/horror/plot driven VN because there were tons of people already reading VNs and wanting something like that.

>>7757317
Western culture is totally obsessed with sex, and I think is even dirtier and more extreme than the east.

But Americans feel ashamed of sex. I wouldn't be able to point to where this comes from exactly. Certainly christianity has a lot of influence (yet europe is far more liberal when it comes to sex), but so does consumer culture, which constantly tells human beings that they aren't attractive enough to be worthy of sex or that their bodies are disgusting so they can sell more body wash. If you're brought up thinking your body is disgusting, you're going to be afraid of anything kinky because you probably are ashamed enough of the parts of you used for vanilla sex.

I think that the fundamental thing might be that Americans get very little to no sex ed.

But regardless of the reason, growing the market of ero VNs is an uphill battle that simply isn't even worth fighting. You would have to fight much harder for the artists and writers you'd need to make it hot, and your reward would be a greatly reduced audience. I think we should make more VNs in the west (I'm writing one now) but rather than be derivative of the Japanese we should do stuff that works for us.

[Anonymous No.]

>Back in the early years there were quite a few western gmes that could now be seen as comparable to early eroge. The primary difference between the west and Japan is that while the rest of the world ran after the next shiny new toy a lot of people invested time in niche and dated genre.

>Failure to realize that these are essentially "adventure games" is probably the biggest problem that impedes amateur western developers from creating genuinely enjoyable works. For this reason there are also no legitimate OELVN because the very term implies emulation in a way similar to fan fiction.

>These amateur developers have their priorities completely wrong. It is like they are trying to make an OELJRPG rather than stop being a faggot about it and make an RPG with elements of other cultures you enjoy, something the Japanese do all the time.

All OELVN are by definition shit. Dandygirl is a kinetic novel so it's okay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758174
This speaks to the fundamental problem with OEL—it's people trying as hard as they can to imitate something. Of course they will never attain the same height as the original. In order to succeed artistically, you have to be unique, and expresses your own self.

OEL tries to imitate the most generic amalgamation of Japanese cliches and is forever holding back its own voice. So even "original" stuff won't ever rise above fanfiction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758192
Well there really isn't much of a height to rise to in the first place. Many Japanese games in the genre are pretty shit, okay reads, or erotic fiction for lolicons.

It is also a misunderstanding to believe that originality is a requirement for a successful production. Certainly this is never the case for popular works, because a key ingredient for success is that it must resonate with an audience.

This highlights another key deficiency with the OELVN medium because the target audience are almost entirely weaboo as fuck. It's like trying to win medals at the Gay Olimpics, why the fuck would you want to do that? Even if you're gay why would you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758174
>For this reason there are also no legitimate OELVN because the very term implies emulation in a way similar to fan fiction.
this sentence makes no sense. double "because," and it implies that the OELVNs people make are not "legitimate" because of the definition of the word(unless he is pointing out that it is an oxymoron of sorts--which it isn't, there are logical(within context) reasons to add the tag "original english language").

oh well, i don't disagree with what he's attempting(but failing at) to say, so carry on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758171
>But regardless of the reason, growing the market of ero VNs is an uphill battle that simply isn't even worth fighting. You would have to fight much harder for the artists and writers you'd need to make it hot, and your reward would be a greatly reduced audience. I think we should make more VNs in the west (I'm writing one now) but rather than be derivative of the Japanese we should do stuff that works for us.
Getting into VN production seems like a bad idea.

You're competing for an audience with Japan's VN business, which has been in business for years, and which Westerners are used to consuming for free.

I really don't know what there is to do about it aside from trying to do something new.

[Anonymous No.]

Torment VN? Yes please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758174
>Dandygirl is a kinetic novel so it's okay.
Nice logic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758222
>there are logical(within context) reasons to add the tag "original english language"
Sort of like "Original English Language Anime" right?

Don't waste too much time nitpicking at the wording though. Natural languages are intended as malleable tools of communication. It isn't like there was a logical fallacy and with the context of a shitpost discussion on an anonymous image board there really isn't a point in taking everything literally.

tl;dr your autism is showing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758240
>comparing to anime
that doesn't work because anime is not a medium unto its own. VNs are, although the borderline between VN and "illustrated book" is arguably grey.

it's logical within societal context because the VN medium is entirely dominated by Japanese products, many of which are translated into English. the tag indicates that the VN is an english work not translated from japanese(as the name "english language VN" could be applied to a translated japanese novel). so, it has a basis. whether it's really worth attaching is another story. so, it categorizes the product as a non-translated english language product(which is justifiable due to the dominating amount of japanese products) within the medium of "visual novel."

as to "nitpicking," i don't think that term is appropriate when the quote didn't even make sense grammatically or logically without interpretation. half of my reason for posting it was because i wanted to see if i was even right about what he meant. as i pointed out(apparently you didn't bother to read my post) there actually was a logical fallacy based on either of my interpretations--it's illogical to say a product isn't "legitimate" because of the term that refers to it, and "OELVN" itself doesn't necessarily imply imitation(as i explained in the first paragraph of this post it categorizes(not-translated, english language) within a medium(VN)).

did you get offended because you wrote it? i'm not psychic; what i quoted was poorly composed, ambiguous, and seemed to be wrong/fallacious, and so i responded as such instead of pretending to understand exactly what he/you meant.

i don't know why i've bothered typing out so much to someone who throws around that garbage word, and not even in proper grammar. you probably wouldn't have read it again anyways, as you're most likely a troll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758325
Why do you always have to try and be such a huge faggot?

You clearly demonstrate that you do not properly understand how to use languages, yet you are the only one here making such a big deal out of grammar. Even if you're trying to be ironic it isn't that funny.

Instead of going on a tirade with highschool level linguistics you could have asked somebody with better reading comprehension to explain it to you.

[Anonymous No.]

Bumping

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758441
Why would you even do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758447
Not the person who bumped this thread, but other than the terminology argument, the discussion has been rather civilised and fruitful. I'd say it's one of the best discussions /jp/ has ever had about OELVNs.

The term OELVN is really meh, though. First off, it's probably more about being non-Japanese than being in English: there are games you'd lump in with OELVNs that are in Russian, etc. Secondly, it's just plain too long and confusing.

Maybe we could think of a better alternative? Some shorten this to EVN (English Visual Novel), but that may be missing the point as well. WVN = Western Visual Novel? NJVN = Non-Japanese Visual Novel? These might not be very good, just giving people ideas of what an alternative term could be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758456
how about telling people who makes this shit to stop

[Anonymous No.]

The problem I see with including sex scenes in most Western VNs is that most VNs have shit sex scenes. The CGs might be all right, but the writing is usually poor, and most of the popular VNs are certainly not read for the sex.
If I were writing a VN I don't think I would want to waste time writing 10-15 minute sex scenes when I could spend that time fixing the story or editing the script, and I was the head of a project I certainly wouldn't want my artists to waste their time drawing and color ero-CGs. I'd prefer better character art or things like that.
I mean, if somebody actually tried to make a nukige instead of a decent VN, then I guess having the ero-scenes wouldn't be such a big deal, but when you are trying to make yourself stand out in a community where everything is shit, it isn't even worth the effort to add the sex scenes. There's really no benefit now since there's little to no competition, your efforts are better focused on making the best story you can rather than trying to add fluff that's unnecessary.

[Anonymous No.]

Didn't /jp/ try to write a VN? What ever happened to that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758581
you mean Dandelion girl? It was adapted from an already existing story. Anything else above terrible is produced by people who wouldn't dream of calling themselves "/jp/" even though they browse here

[Anonymous No.]

Hey I've got a brilliant idea. How about some guy with Japanese knowledge translates some acclaimed game and inserts the text into some translation project and calls it his own. it would be so epic troll.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey I've got a brilliant idea. How about some guy with Japanese knowledge translates some acclaimed game and inserts the text into some English VN project and calls it his own. it would be so epic troll.

[Anonymous No.]

When it comes to OELVNs and the reason as to why most of them are terrible is because the writers do not actually try to do anything with them. They learn how to program it and then go off and try and write something thinking it will be good without actually thinking about what they're doing. And usually they make one VN and then quit.

Sure programming a VN isn't hard to do, in fact it's very easy. But the people who make OELVNs on;y see that it's easy so automatically go "hurr I can program a VN I'ma make one with this awesome story and it'll be a hit!". And most of the time
the "stories" that they "come up with" are usually heavily inspired by more popular JPVNs to the point that they're almost ripping off the story. That or they try and make it some sort of sim-date, which they still would pretty do the same thing.

Now granted I myself and working on making a VN, and I know I'm just a complete beginner, but I'm taking my time and
working out different possible story that I feel would get a positive reception. Would the stories I come up with be any good? well who knows, maybe they will maybe they won't. But I'm willing to take the time and learn from past experiences to try and make something better.

Anyways that just my whole view on the subject.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7758712
>so epic troll.
>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.]

When it comes to OELVNs and the reason as to why most of them are terrible is because the writers do not actually try to do anything with them. They learn how to program it and then go off and try and write something thinking it will be good without actually thinking about what they're doing. And usually they make one VN and then quit.

Sure programming a VN isn't hard to do, in fact it's very easy. But the people who make OELVNs on;y see that it's easy so automatically go "hurr I can program a VN I'ma make one with this awesome story and it'll be a hit!". And most of the time
the "stories" that they "come up with" are usually heavily inspired by more popular JPVNs to the point that they're almost ripping off the story. That or they try and make it some sort of sim-date, which they still would pretty do the same thing.

Now granted I myself and working on making a VN, and I know I'm just a complete beginner, but I'm taking my time and
working out different possible story that I feel would get a positive reception. Would the stories I come up with be any good? well who knows, maybe they will maybe they won't. But I'm willing to take the time and learn from past experiences to try and make something better.

Anyways that's just my whole view on the subject.
If you disagree with me then feel free to.

[Anonymous No.]

I used to think that western RPGs would never catch on. Then they started to sell squillions.

I used to think that nobody would write a VN in English. Then fans started making freeware games/stories.

I used to think that nobody could sell a western visual novel. Then Jack_Norton from Winter Wolves said that the group's reverse harem games were out-selling their harem games. (Pic is from their game Always Remember Me.)

I still don't know if I can write a decent VN. But right now, I'm trying. So are many other fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759847
How could you write this with a straight face?

[Anonymous No.]

It's threads like these that make me never want to show my VN to 4chan, let alone /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759859
I wouldn't be that negative about it, the other thread on the topic actually touches on people willing to progress and improve. The problem is showing things like OP, claiming they're masterpieces and that there is nothing worth changing.

If what you fear is criticism at large, well, it's difficult to create without a public. Sure, some will be hurtful about it, but you can grow from that. Plus there's always someone that was somehow moved by your piece. Even if they don't say it outright, it's what every creator can aspire to. Reaching to the audience and transmitting a message that reaches their core.

I look forward to see your VN

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759870
Gotta say, I didn't expect such a collected response. The Vn I'm writing really has nothing to do with Japan, in art nor story. I'm too sure about posting it here, but a simple link wouldn't hurt.

http://clouds.faceroll.net/

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759875
Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759875
Looks nice.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>7759847
>>the group's reverse harem games were out-selling their harem games

Not surprising. For some reason Western female otaku are a lot more dedicated to these games than us bros.

Like how Hirameki sold 8 copies of Ever17 but would actually do OK when it came to their otome games. I think Aksys is translating an otome game for PSP too. It will probably sell well.

Also yeah VNs are currently like how manga was to us in the 90's (barely any Western fans were into manga). But look at how much we like manga now. It will be the same way with VNs in 10 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759875
Looks decent.
Hope you have a good background artist(well, at least better than the character one).
Also, for the love or all that's holy, don't waste a semi-interesting setting for a story that could just as well take place anywhere.
That's all.
Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do the weeaboos who keep going "OELVNs suck! Why do you like this shit? Hurrr" stay in this thread? Get the fuck out already, nobody cares you don't like it, morons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759875
Ah, I wish there was more than a general setting and that couple music tracks. I liked Guitar particularly, it evoked walking through busy streets filled with vendors, smoke and steam, but finding some peace in between blocks.

Sounds interesting and it's not generic dieselpunk either. I really look forward to the final product.

Ah, if I would change something would be the name for The Storm. Things like that usually get several names. Official designation, media favorite, popular in the street and the one that is actually used in conversation. Don't want to impose a name on you, but I would like something that feels more casual as the name actually used in normal talk.

But yeah, it looks interesting. And the fact that it has nothing Japan related in it is actually a strength. It's telling a different story drawing from your context instead of recycling from other visual novels, which is the mistake the OELVN movement commits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759935
Please, please go back to /a/ or whatever forum you came from. Your posts make me sick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759942
Suck my dick, you retarded faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759935
>weeaboos
You're probably trolling, but anyway, if you really need an explanation:
>>Lol, here's where Akira turns into the biggest weeaboo ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759950
Get out if you don't like this thread. Just fuck off. Die, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759959
>>7759947
You couldn't make it any clearer you don't belong here, you rude individual.
Now please go back ``there''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759894
>>7759895
Thanks.

>>7759934
The character artist is also the background artist. He can work some wonders.

>>7759936
I have a feeling that we think in similar ways. Not a big diesel/steampunk fan myself, as I feel the focus on environment rather than story.

As for the Storm, I figure I would come up with a cover name for Katrina, but I guess it is a bit stupid. Alternate history is pretty fun to write, granted you put some actual directed effort into it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759966
You are rude by staying in this thread when you make it very clear to everyone you are not interested in it. Reported all your posts, enjoy your b&.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759875
I'm glad this isn't yet another western VN that uses Japan as the setting. That shit is so irritating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759970
You guys seem to have a handle on the project and what story you're going with it. Just promise to show it when it's done. Or why not, just progress. Other people looking at the script giving good criticism? That would allow you to polish it before a final release.

Best of luck and godspeed.

[Anonymous No.]

I blame the English speaking VN fan base. The average /jp/ has a very skewed opinion of VNs already, when they consider very notable examples of VNs to be shit (Fate/Shit night babby's first VN), and assume that those same notable examples are the standard, and not the cream of the crop.

The brave souls that trires to make their own VN usually are ignorant to things like "how to write good characters" or "how to write a good story", and instead just dip into the well of anime tropes and hope that they finish it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760048
Why wouldn't I show it when I'm done? I was going to have another update probably next Monday.

I'm far to afraid to have people read the rough draft, but maybe I'll post a bit on the next update.

>>7760068
I agree.

[Anonymous No.]

the problem with western attempts at vns is that they try too hard at making something with artistic merit rather than throwing chunni shit together with good heroine design like a proper amateur project.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759875

I actually like the concept, as long as you aren't going to turn this into some EPIC LOL STORY involving the history of the city/government conspiracy/etc.. The setting will be interesting if it remains just that--a setting. The characters seem interesting enough, at least in design.

You need more writers, though. At least an editor. Just having one is going to put way too much stress on one person or another. Of course, I hope you're not the type to get all butthurt over criticism, because GOOD writers are typically also harsh editors, though they're harder on themselves than other people. I'm not a writer, but my roommate is, so I've seen some of the shit she writes on her own manuscripts. She's also a shut-in who browses /jp/, not surprisingly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760118
>>I'm far to afraid to have people read the rough draft

You should really get over that insecurity early on or it's going to sabotage your writing later on down the line.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760265
Not the poster, but another insecure writer here. Could you elaborate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760306
Other guy here. Not showing your work just slows the process due to not having feedback except your own. And it's easy to go myopic about it quickly. You ignore obvious problems, or find issues where there are none, due to being perfectionist about it. There is such a thing as overpolishing after all.

Plus the more you remain sheltered from critics the more your skin thins.

And there's the obvious "what's the point if nobody will read it"...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760232
I was thinking of keeping the story pretty low key for the most part. Yeah I need an editor. For some reason, finding people who won't leave the project when things get rough is pretty hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760306

>>Hurrrr I'm afraid they'll say my writing sucks hurrr I'll keep my script all to myself.

If your writing does suck you really need someone to tell you. Why? So you can take steps to STOP sucking. Do you think your readers will sugarcoat it? Listen to /jp/sies bitch about Fate/Stay Night, Umineko and G-Senjou. Get the fuck over it and grow a pair of balls. Write and practice and learn not to be a pretentious cocksucker. On the other hand, it's retarded to show anyone a script you haven't already edited yourself, and I would never do that.

I write for a newspaper. One of the first things they tell you is "Get the fuck over your ego."

I bet you're pants-on-head retarded and assume you can write a VN without storyboards, too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760458
Who are you quoting, dickhead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760191
God this is so true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760458
Dude, what the hell are you doing? Take it easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7759875

You have a website but no email address to reach you at? Fucking retarded shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760458
But writing for a newspaper and writing literature are vastly different things.

I wouldn't want anyone to see an in-progress picture I'm making either. You know why? Because it kills the experience for everyone who sees it. I want them to see the final product, not something inbetween. The criticism is not the issue.

You assume too much. Typical for a newspaper writer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760477
Rage more you little baby faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760477
He obviously doesn't want dorks and gaiafags who want in on the project and quit after a day and other talentless people to deal with all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay I learned a lot form this thread, and thank you. This is getting a bit too heated for my tastes, so just leave a comment or whatever on the site. Adios.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

[Anonymous No.]

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

lol i am gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760563
>>7760568
>>7760573
>>7760577
owned

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760582
By hurk hurk nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.]

So while we're on the subject of story idea's I've had quite a few idea's myself. These are some concepts I've been thinking about doing after I gain a bit more experience. I've pretty much tried to summarize them the best I can in the short way possible. If I were to try and explain everything then it's be around five pages long.
So...yeah.

Feel free to comment/critique.
inb4 all comments are negative

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760790
>Story Idea's
I can't even stop laughing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760790
Your spelling could be improved upon. If you write in English, make sure to get a proofreader. Is this your native language or not?

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>7760823
>You're spelling could be improved upon
>You're

Not sure if intentional...

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760790
Okay, I'm done. If you're serious, I have some advice:

Ideas are bullshit.

Or rather this: Ideas are worth exactly the amount of time and effort you put into making them real. This is the only value an idea can have because an idea is nothing on its own.

An outline, like what you've got, is really helpful for a writer to start writing. But it's not actually anything until you pick your favorite means of expression and start doing the work to make it real.

I can't give feedback on an idea because it isn't anything at all. It could sound amazing or it could sound stupid, but good writers can make the stupidest sounding shit amazing and bad ones can make the coolest premises boring as fuck.

If you've got ideas, download Ren'py and start cracking. I can give feedback on writing, but not this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760790
Also, I have to add, from what you've written the story ideas sound pretty unoriginal and shallow. Maybe it's better to think up some theme or such that is important to you and work from from there instead? Your current ideas sound like you're just getting ideas from other people's works, which isn't a good direction.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>7760836
I wish I could hire you to teach a shitposting seminar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760849
In all fairness, that's normal—write out a summary of anything and it sounds stupid, or at best "well, that could be good." Because ideas are nothing on their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760843
Already downloaded.
Right now I'm just playing around with the tutorial and trying different things things out.
But thanks for the advice.

>>7760935
>>7760849
Like I said they're just possible story idea's that I thought might be interesting.
So who knows they could turn out if turned into something tangible.
But it'll be a long time before I even think about using any of those idea's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>7761151
Why did the other two delete their posts...oh wait.
I bet mod deleted them because they were trying to be "helpful".

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody's going to read your shit unless it's got porn in it. Fact. Don't even fucking bother.

[Gitami No.]

Katawa Shoujo

Because it isn't out

[Anonymous No.]

Nobody mentioned Summer House yet? I really enjoyed it. Too bad it's short and unfinished (one ending doesn't even work).

[Anonymous No.]

>>7760790

Each story sounds like you're trying to bite off more than you can chew for such a small group. And "land of fire" and "land of darkness"? Pfft. Could you get any more corny?

Dropped.