/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Does /jp/ program anything?
/h/ has an amazing program called "fapgauntlet"

Also,
> Best programming language and way to learn it?

[Anonymous No.]

C, K&R.

[Anonymous No.]

Try /prog/ instead of /jp/. :)

[Anonymous No.]

KoG makes games, is that /jp/ related?.

[Anonymous No.]

> Best programming language and way to learn it?

This question is flawed. Programming languages are tools, some more fit for certain purposes than others.

>>8815175

As if /prog/ actually programs anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815175

Isn't /prog/ 2 of the 3 people of /jp/ anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

What have you programmed lately, /jp/? What are your goals?

[Anonymous No.]

program this
*whips out dick*

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815174

If I don't know shit about programming, can I just grab K&R and learn from it? Are there any pre-requisites? Will it alone suffice all my C programming needs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815184
You forgot about Thomas.
And Bill. Though I'm not sure if he still visits us, haven't seen him for a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815187

I've been meaning to program an improved dictionary program, but last time I tried the memory usage was so bad I got discouraged. I should try again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815169
>>> Best programming language and way to learn it?
LISP

go read your SICP.

[Anonymous No.]

>amazing program called "fapgauntlet"
Amazing program that doesn't work on my computer no matter how much I try
/h/ a shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815219

your computer a shit

[Anonymous No.]

/h/ sure is superior
http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TTJcrKsz
Only bad thing is that it's in python.
Perhaps someone could rewrite it in C

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815222
ur mom a shit, cockmaster of the homogayness

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815225 python
eww

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815243

> Perhaps someone could rewrite it in C

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815225
I wrote an image viewer that jumps to random files in my fap folder.
No wait times, and no exclusion of fetishes moot happens to dislike.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815261

Pretty nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815225
>>8815243
python is a goood girl
please don't bully

[Anonymous No.]

So, who's up to reprogram fapgauntlet in C, adding some features in the process?
I am not a master of C, but I should be of some help, if needed.
A better GUI could also be added, making it look more professional.

[Anonymous No.]

Please respond. >>8815194

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815270
Dowload (source available) : http://www.mediafire.com/?ss3n9bj77p42sbi

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815273

see>>8815213

K&R without either a decent understanding of programming or a teacher/professor won't end well. It's a bit of a condensed textbook.

If you think SICP is only referenced as a troll answer, go grab Java for Dummies, and learn babby's first programming language.
And if you find SICP to be too difficult, then you might need the babby's first approach anyhow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815292

I wanted to learn C, though. Nothing else.
How should I go then, if K&R is too difficult? So is SICP, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

I was just learning C the other day.
Tried to program the Tower of Hanoi without success.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815319
Wasn't there an anime or something where there is a girl doing that in LISP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815298

As far as languages go, C is a much harder starting point than either LISP or Java for learning how to program.

Since you only are looking at one language, K&R will work, but I'd recommend a few other textbooks or guides for C in addition. Google gives more than enough.

http://encyclopediadramatica.se/C may be a useful place to start, as well.

>>8815323
http://vndb.org/v7754
learn LISP from the pre-STRIKERS Nanoha girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815337

That's nice! Thank you

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't all languages end up having the same final result? Why people care in which language something is programmed?

[Anonymous No.]

/h/ bro here, been programming this for an year now.
I studied java at school so ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815388

Looking ugly, but the idea is good!
However,
> Java

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815366
Performance, portability, etc.

Toolkits are the worst. Even if you're an ultra-casual end-user, you can tell when something is Swing or MFC or GTK+, even if you don't know their names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815388
You should had gone hipster startup style and used Ruby on Rails or Django

[Anonymous No.]

I recently started to learn C, but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815399

Why don't they make a standard then? One that can provide maximum performance, and so, is adopted by every system, becoming ultra-portable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815416

K&R?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815417
I know, xkcd is shit, but it's relevant in this case

http://xkcd.com/927/

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815417
Make a new language, add it to the pile. That sort of aspiration is partially responsible for the variety of languages

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815418
I'm currently short on money, so I can't buy it.

[Anonymous No.]

Best way to learn C without any programming language? I was thinking of K&R too, but as they said it was difficult...

[Anonymous No.]

I wanted to make a program that would allow exhentai access without an account. It would just open the window and display the images without the need of an account, like this:

http://193.77.185.88:3715/h/5a188977005ebbdc7e147c4f11fc005ddc4017cf-478546-1200-1717-jpg/keystamp=1
333816826-b3e6bd587b/0002.jpg

And the menu would be fetched directly from an idle account.

However, I failed miserably, since I have been learning LISP only for 3 months

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815392
>Looking ugly
what would you change? I'm still developing this, i need constructive criticism

and i choose java because is more likely to be found in both windows and linux system rather than python/perl/ruby/whatever

[Woxxy No.]

Hi. I am an unstoppable web developper. I am specialized in reinventing the wheel and using buzzwords.

[Clueless CEO No.]

>>8815460
You're hired!

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to learn C++ but everything is so easy to do with Python so I find myself using it all the time :(

[Anonymous No.]

Made in Japan too.

[Anonymous No.]

Ｒｕｂｙ　ＫＡＷＡＩＩＩＩＩ

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815460
>>8815472

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815512
>>8815507

[Anonymous No.]

I use python for science and math. I basically just use it like a free and open matlab that has full programing capabilities. It would be nice if it were a bit faster, but for my needs it is better than C or others where it would take longer to write and modify scripts. They should really start teaching python more widely since it is easy to use and could be applicable in a wide variety of professions even if you ignore the programming part of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815517
Back to your gust thread, janitor scum.

[Anonymous No.]

"I'm new to programming and want to learn C!"

1. Read "Programming in C" by Stephen Kochan.
2. Read "The Practice of Programming" by Brian W. Kernighan and Rob Pike.
3. Read K&R.

If you get stuck on any math because you're retarded and/or didn't pay attention in school, just keep trying, don't give up, and, most of all: use Khan Academy!

Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815526
>It would be nice if it were a bit faster
It's already pretty fast, especially with JIT compilation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815539
Yea, it is certainly usable and good, but I do things that have to repeat a loop of potentially complicated calculations and logic a few million times. Compared to the programs I get my data from that do a lot more work, it seems really slow. However, I'm also not a professional programmer, so my stuff may just be inefficient (had to look up JIT). I actually haven't really done any thing I would consider legitimate programming.

[Anonymous No.]

> Best programming language and way to learn it?

Haskell, http://learnyouahaskell.com/chapters

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815720
Why Haskell? Why not C?

[Anonymous No.]

The only thing that is stopping me from learning how to program is /jp/'s lack of consensus when deciding wich language is the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815725
There's no ``best'' language you fagqueer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815725
THIS
/jp/ is what decides what I play, read and program. If there is no consensus I cannot do anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815730
Is Python worse than BBCode?
Yes, unquestionably.

If languages are worse than each other, then that >implies there must be a best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815738
It only >implies that there's a worst one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815738
That's only valid reasoning if "worse than" is a well-order relation. In rock-paper-scissors, for example, scissors is worse than rock, rock is worse than paper, and paper is worse than scissors, but there is no element in the set of rock, paper, and scissors which is worse than all other elements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815752
C beats FIOC.
Lisp beats C.
FIOC beats Lisp.

Deal w/ it, nerds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815766
What can Ruby beat?

[Anonymous No.]

Why would you learn C when you could learn C++? It's like wearing a sundial instead of a watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815752
There's not playing the game...

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815787
Because it's good practice to start learning from the beginning, then move on to the meta-bullshite-hackery languages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815781

Python...maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

If you are a /jp/er it's a good idea to start your project in a language which isn't a total pain in the ass in order to actually get anything done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815827

Is C good?

[Woxxy No.]

Can PHP beat anything other than BBCode?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815830
Start with a scripting language like Python or Ruby.

[Anonymous No.]

Start off with Java or C# to understand the basics of how an object-orientated language works. Then move into something like C/C++ to understand pointers and memory management. Then you can move into books that cover algorithms and big-O notation, to get an understanding of how to program well. Finally, you'll need to spend some time going through the documentation for a few major APIs and such so you get a feel of how programs mesh with the system, and can then use your programming knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815833
I wonder if the real Woxxy knows any "proper" programming languages. He's studying computer science or something, but now they just give a Java tutorial and teach you how to make a website. Dead serious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815883
>>8815837

But I wanted to learn C
Is it really a bad idea to start with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815889

It's just useless, that's all. By all means learn it, but you could learn more useful things.

It's like deciding to study Early English from like the 5th century vs a more modern version.

[Anonymous No.]

yes.

pic related.

[Beatrice !!f8JNqEoSXCw No.]

>>8815889
Just go with C++ if you want to learn C. C++ is C With Classes and that is basically the only difference besides some different syntax.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815889

You shouldn't go out of your way to learn a single language. Learn how to program, then you can use whatever language you want well just by understanding it's limitations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815906
Where's the source code you fucking homo? And why is the binary packed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815911 why is the binary packed

>implying
it isn't packed

and the source code is on my computer. thanks for asking. =)

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815896
C is very useful. There is a high demand for C programmers, particularly working with embedded systems. Higher-level/Web languages don't make that demand go away. Plus, even now, most operating systems and libraries are written in C. It's a very valuable language to learn, and it has stood the test of time for good reason. It was #2 on the TIOBE Index last time I checked.

Though I'll admit if you want something quicker, more fun, and with more immediate benefits, learn Python or Ruby or something. Make a trendy Web app and sell it to Google. Ask Y Combinator or someone for funding, lurk Hacker News to see the EXCITING WORLD OF STARTUPS (and some cool shit people found online). Now is a very good time to make yourself rich from your own basement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815913
Don't give out the source code.
You have every right to do this, and you shouldn't support the self-entitlement of, "WAHHH IT'S NOT OPEN SOURCE >___<" faggots who believe FSF propaganda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815909

If you are programming C++ as if it were C with classes, you are doing it very wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815917
No source code. Distributed through /rs/ only. Binary is packed. IE based bloatware.

This shit only flies on /b/ and other subhuman boards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815917
smart people don't trust unknown binaries, so I don't blame them for wanting the source. but most people wrongly assume they'll be able to compile and understand 250,000+ lines of spaghetti code. it would be so easy to hide something bad in the code and no one would be able spot it, so having the code wouldn't make them any more secure anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815923 packed

I don't think you know what that word means. The exe is not compressed or encrypted in any way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815917

I'd love to get your IP and poke around, I bet you have a gazillion holes in your system with that attitude.

If you can't see the code, don't trust it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815928
>so having the code wouldn't make them any more secure anyway.
It's about good will and trust. Especially on 4chan.
You can't just throw in a executable on some russian file hosting site and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815928
Very interesting article on this:
http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html

Even if you read and compile it yourself, who's to say your compiler isn't inserting malicious code? And even if you compile the compiler yourself, who's to say it isn't inserting malicious code so that compiler will insert malicious code and self-replicate?
It's a CONSPIRACY!

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815284
Is it me, or PEP8 is raped like a loli thrown in /jp/ in that source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815928
>smart people don't trust unknown binaries
That's why the best format for programs of questionable trustworthiness, like porn games, is Flash. Or anything sandboxed, in a virtual machine, or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815944
oh, but I can. and people still run it. maybe more people would use it if they had the code, but idc about them.

>>8815945
yes, and it's very easy to obfuscate code. it would take months for someone to try and ensure the code is clean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815963
>and people still run it
Retards run anything they find on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

I recommend C++.
I made a Touhou game engine using it the language. It's pretty neat, actually.
If you want to program closer to the machine, learn C (though, I wouldn't recommend it, as the two are about just as fast).
Or, if your're a real masochist but want the full power of your processor, learn assembly. Just remember, assembly language isn't really portable.

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

I've made six games in three different programming languages.

They're all kinda decent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816036
Which was the easiest?

[Youmu Konpaku !MyonHUTINA No.]

>>8816133
Processing was probably the easiest to get up and running, but it's not the best language for games. C# is probably the best balance between easiness and utility, and XNA is pretty sweet.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm probably just going to get laughed at for this, but is Prolog useful for anything? It seems like an interesting language.

[Anonymous No.]

I know these are scripting languages, but which language should I go with if I were to write a simple bulletin board system: Python, PHP or Perl?

What I heard from long ago was that Python was a CPU hog, PHP a memory hog, and Perl was alright. Is this correct?

[Anonymous No.]

Will we ever get this?.

[Anonymous No.]

C# if you want to get something big done quickly
Java if you want it to work on Linux too, but get laughed at anyway
C++ if you want to get something done
C if you want to get hired

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816214
Perl. It has the most utility and the quick reg ex hacks are going to be very useful

Python is FIOC and PHP is lolphp

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816214
>Is this correct?
No. Python is fine. PHP is fine. Perl is fine. Ruby is fine too.
Use the language your webhost supports.

[Woxxy No.]

>>8816240
>PHP is lolphp
stop bully pls

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816170
>I'm probably just going to get laughed at for this, but is Prolog useful for anything?

No.

Prolog was basically a fad language for a fad which has long since died out. That doesn't mean that it's not interesting, but it really isn't useful for any practical purpose.

If Prolog interests you, you should really look into Erlang. Erlang is based in some ways on Prolog, but with very different goals (ie, use in telecom systems rather than French academia).

Japan/general - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_generation_computer - Prolog was the base language for Japan's failed 'fifth generation computing' system

[Anonymous No.]

I was thinking of learning Haskell or LISP when i have the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>8815940
>I'd love to get your IP and poke around, I bet you have a gazillion holes in your system
is this ironic

[Anonymous No.]

What music do you listen to while programming, /jp/?

I listen to keygen music.

http://www.keygenplayer.com/

[Anonymous No.]

Not enough Go ITT.

Designed by one of the original C designers and the Plan 9/Bell Labs team. Was officially released just over a week ago. It's basically C 2.0.

http://golang.org/

[Anonymous No.]

Whats fapgauntlet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816495
DUBSTEP

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816507
A botnet, like everything 4chan ``devs'' produce.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816495
>keygen music
This is almost as bad as "save icon".

http://www.hvsc.de/
Download this, read, educate yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816507
A dungeon crawling game where you have to fight off monster girls and resist fapping.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816503

Is it associated with google? If so, I'm out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816507

Readme: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TTJcrKsz

Downlad: http://www.mediafire.com/?ss3n9bj77p42sbi

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816651
Look--Google just sponsored it, okay? Rob Pike and Ken Thompson had COMPLETE control over the design and implementation process. Probably.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck /prog/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816677

Good. Do you recommend it as a first language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>8816503
Why is it in Japanese?