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>>12320062
Love strong enough to make me want to blow up an island and murder everyone that is close to me? No, I have not.

If anything Yasu's setup reminded me of all those trite romances in anime/manga where the main couple while still in diapers make a promise that they'll marry, which the MC promptly forgets but which shapes the life of the other character. Just because Ryukishi turned it into a tragedy doesn't mean I have to like it.

>>12320076
Yes. I think that Yasu's obsession with Battler's promise was pretty extreme. I can that understand Yasu was isolated on that island but clinging to a promise a 10 year-old kid made that Yasu had met what, a total of 3 times in 3 years?, seemed pretty extreme.

>>12319884
Agreed. Christ, Battler made a stupid promise when he was a 10 year-old kid. I guess I could accept that Yasu was stark raving mad and decided that things were Battler's fault, but Battler accepting the blame for what happened was pretty silly. I guess one could argue that his survivor's guilt had driven him nuts as well. Yasu's responce seemed so over the top that it's hard to accept it. And then you have Ryukishi claiming than anyone who has experienced love will find Yasu's motive and reaction perfectly natural, which peeved me.

>Ryukishi: Umineko is something that cannot be read by people who never fell in love with somebody. It is something that people who have no experience in love and relationships have trouble understanding. „Love can become a motive that has more power over you than life or death“, that is something which is pretty hard to explain to people without this experience. Most of them will think that it’s just „an overdone motive“. But for people who have known love and experienced how much it can make you suffer, they understand that love can turn your world upside down. If you are told „I will come for you again!“ and for 6 years there is nothing, it can make you go crazy, but people who have even slightly suffered due to love will say „those 6 years must have been hell“. But people who no nothing of that pain will probably wait for nothing less than a dramatic gadget to appear, like the heroic story of „at age X her mother and father were brutally murdered“.

I found Umineko to be disappointing. Early on I was hoping to see a clever solution that would explain everything, but instead we got repetitive preaching about love were told to believe that whatever we like happened instead of revealing what happened. People might say that this was Ryukishi's message, but I'll plainly state that I disagree with his message. Truth isn't subjective; it might be impossible to reach the truth but that doesn't alter the facts.

>>12319428
>On the other hand, the series is a great KICK start to introduce people to the mystery genre.
Really? The whole thing is a pastiche/parody of mystery novels. I think it's a bit like saying that Spaceballs is a good movie to introduce people to science fiction.

>>12204386
TS Magical Girl Nao.

>>12204680
No, she's a virgin who has done nothing sexual with anyone.

Does a girl count as pure if she has never even kissed a man, but sneaks into the men's bathroom to masturbate while fantasizing about being discovered and then gangbanged by the men right outside her stall's door?

>>12035889
But it did get resolved. Just not in the way the guy was expecting.

>>12025028
You could have a look through this list for titles of interest.
http://vndb.org/g1187

>>12021345
In Mirai Senki Slavenil a girl can grow a penis at will using nanomachines.

>>12021193
Naturally. After all, the default embryonic developmental pathway for mammals generates a female body. There is a masculinization process that might fail, but there is no feminization process.

>>12021137
That chart is oversimplified. You can have XX males with de la Chapelle syndrome or XY females with Swyer syndrome.

Biology is a really messy discipline where you can't assign clear boundaries.

>>12021103
How do you classify this? People with this syndome appear anatomically female (other than being sterile), but have an XY karyotype.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis

>>12021100
If a woman takes enough steroids she can develop a pseudo-penis.

http://i.somethingawful.com/horrorsofporn/chyna/clit.jpg

>>12020931
You should play it . I thought it was pretty good. That was an optional scene in one route. Just go for the male friend route.

>>12020905
The MC thus received a dick, but not in the way she was expecting.

>>12020858
And gained a dick in exchange.

>>12020779
Ai Mai Misuto had the MC get turned into a girl and an attemt to turn him back into a man accidentally temporarily affected the heroine of the route (with predictable results).

>>12020731
What if the MC gets turned into a girl and the heroine then grows a dick and fucks the MC?

>>11874426
There's nothing wrong with it being a work of fiction. If anything I think that's a good thing since the stories can be treated as being separate. I don't think that adding all the material from Umineko to Higurashi adds anything, especially since I think it all exists in Battler's head. The alternative is to treat the stories that Maria and Ange had come up with about bunny doll snipers or Heaven having divisions whose duty is to enforce rules invented by 20th century mystery novel reviewers as being a part of Umineko and Higurashi cosmology.

>>11874428
At that point Hanyuu's powers were failing, so I'd chalk it up to that.

>>11874386
I agree that Rika and Bernkastel diverge at the end of Saikoroshi-hen. However, as you say, before that they are the same character. And I agree that Rika has existed for a while. After all she estimates that she's over 100 years old. And she was indeed nameless as she says to Rena: "I have lived a long time in this world but ...this is the first that someone has noticed that I am not Rika. I’ve always thought you were a perceptive one ever since we first met, but... well done. giggle giggle giggle... But I will dare to call myself Rika. ...I, do believe that my given name is Rika, as it’s been so long."

However, I do not think that the incarnated and sea of kakera Rikas have different personalities. Even in the final kakera Bernkastel appears playful rather than sadistic. I think it's simpler to treat the Umineko and Higurashi Bernkastels as different characters, the same way one would treat the two Okonogi as being different.

>>11874392
Doesn't Ange talk extensively about the two messages in the bottles?

>>11874327
Also, Rika in the sea of kakera is far from omniscient. She only possesses the knowledge she gathered while alive in the various worlds. That's why she tells the reader that he may possess information that will solve the mystery that she lacks (which quite strongly indicates that she's not talking to another Rika). If she was omniscient she would know who's killing her.

>>11874327
The reason Rika doesn't know what's going on when she incarnates into a new world is because her memories replace those of the local Rika. Rika doesn't have the memories of the body she effectively possesses. This is most obvious in Saikoroshi-hen, where the world is radically different. In the previous worlds, the differences are pretty minor and thus the fact Rika doesn't remember them isn't as noticeable.

>>11874275
Rika gives herself the name Bernkastel when she is incarnated in Saikoroshi-hen. Also she says she isn't Rika when she's speaking to Rena in Tsumihoboroshi-hen which is the same thing Bernkastel said in one of the TIPS, so even when incarnated she differentiates herself from the normal Rika. And in the start of Minagoroshi-hen, the being we meed in the sea of kakera claims not to be Rika but then talks as if all the events we saw in previous chapters happened to her. As a result I am skeptical of the attempt to draw a sharp distinction between the incarnated and the sea of kakera Bernkastels.

And even in the sea of kakera Bernkastel appears to seriously care about others, while when incarnated if willing to sacrifice herself for them. In Umineko Bernkastel seems utterly evil and incapable of empathy. Torturing others is the only thing that gives her any pleasure. That's quite the radical departure.

Battler was the one that came up with what happens in the meta-world though. And since he was familiar with Higurashi it makes sense that what he visualized was colored by the characters he had read about. Personally I see Bernkastel and Featherine to be Battler's constructs inspired to an extent by a work he had previously read.

>>11874318
The first episode was found in a bottle and was written by Yasu before the incident took place. Therefore Higurashi must have been written by someone else and is referred to by Battler in the same way he refers to other murder mysteries which have nothing to do with the cast.

>>11873982
Yasu didn't write Higurashi either. Battler simply referred to in in the first episode, ergo it preexisted the Umineko incident.

Does it matter if Higurashi is a story within a story? The things in Umineko do not affect it, so just ignore Umineko and treat Higurashi as something different. (Though all the people going "lol Rika and Hanyuu are evil witches in Higurashi" does get tiresome. Featherine and Bernkastel in Umineko are different characters with some superficial resemblances. By that reeasoning one would be saying that Chie and Ciel are the same person and one should define Ciel's character by what Chie does in Higurashi.)

>>11872962
He's wrong. In episode 1, Battler says he has read Higurashi and even describes a scene from Tatarigoroshi-hen. Since that was written by Yasu, it means Higurashi predates Hachiko's writing career. In Umineko Higurashi is a work of fiction and probably served as the inspiration for Bernkastel's appearance. The Umineko Bernkastel is a character invented by Battler and inspired by Hachiko's cat rather than the Bernkastel of Higurashi. That explains her completely different personality despite some superficial similarities.