/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I once used this trip for a short while.

I also wanted to try out #P°36OBu& but it didn't turn out the way it should because of °.

Not exactly new.

>>3720216
There is still hope, sure black is in the lead but I wouldn't give up yet. Bring out your hidden sai and turn this match around white!

>>3690330
This. Or watch Anime WITHOUT subtitles, then the same one again subbed. You'll pick up lots of stuff. Or read Japanese webpages with Rikaichan.

It's.... shit.

>>3689904
What about the detective's testimony?

>>3689619
Yes he was, contrary to popular fake spoilers, the golden truth in episode 5 is not used to bring Kinzo back. Contrary it establishes Kinzo's death.
Though I must admit, that given your premise, the possibility still isn't ruled out.

>>3689429
I believe that there is a certain conspiracy involving Jessica, however the way it plays out is very diffrent each game board.

Let's try discussing game 3, a game where I have yet failed to bring up a consistent theory. I don't want to believe the culprit to be Eva, since that would be way too easy. Even though she did probably shoot Battler in the end in her despair.
Also even though the death of pretty much everyone is granted in red, the point of death remains mysterious. It is entirely possible that someone faked their death and then latterons killed Nanjo and the others. I wouldn't think that it is one out of Kyrie, Hideyoshi, Rudolf, Natsuhi, Krauss or George as their corpses were found with pretty much all remaining members present. The corpses of the servants are a diffrent matter, I mean did Battler, our narrator, ever see them with his own eyes?

Also notice how Jessica never dies as Evatrice is summoned to the meta world before she goes in for the kill. Still only Eva survives as we know from Ange's world, but there is still the disaster at the end that kills EP4 Battler. A landslide being the most likely possibility, in my opinion.

After reviewing the first two games, I'm pretty damn sure Genji is with the culprit(s). He probably knows about Jessica's secret from Kinzo and he might be acting on the late Kinzo's orders (the Kinzo appearance in episode 4 anyone? I'm pretty sure that was Genji).

>>3684137
Knox' rules forbid the existance of not yet known deseases or drugs/medicines.

>>3684128
As I've played all five episodes, I don't think I'm missing any red text and I'm pretty sure that these two were never stated:

>no stake shooting device exists
>(episode 1) Kanon died at that point in time

It was stated that no trap shooting stakes or something exists, but what I'm talking about would be something like a crossbow, except that it shoots stakes making it possible even for a women with little to no bodily strength to heavily impair people. Well even if it didn't exist, the murders could still be done by hand so the theory doesn't a 100% depend on it.

And I think you're mistaken that from episode 2 Kanon's death wich was certainly confirmed for time and place in red.

>>3684090
I think there is a common mastermind, however the way the actualy murders play out could still be diffrent each game by random occurance and multiple people with murderous intent being present. For example Episode 5 probably has an entirely diffrent culprit due to the gold being found and it's being found being announced before even the first twilight happens.

>>3684119
continued:

The rest: It's been a while since I've read episode 3 and I'm just typing this out so there may be mistakes. But I think the following happens: Rosa discovers the stake shooting device in Jessica's room and is stunned at the size of the conspiracy, she takes it with her and begins to hunt down the servants she suspects to have been in liege with Jessica. Her surveilance by Battler really isn't noteworthy. Also George gets killed because obviously he got the way of Shannon being killed.

Why done it:
Well Rosa, obviously wanted to gain control over the family that made a fool out of her ever since the incident with Maria's dad. Jessica has an ulterior motive. I think she is actually not Krauss and Natsuhi's daughter, but the daughter of Kinzo and the Beatrice from the hidden mansion. There is a bit of a conflict with this theory from episode 5, but nothing that couldn't be solved, but I won't go further into this now. Hints for this are Natsuhi's incapability of getting pregnant and Jesscia always having been bigger and stronger than Battler in their childhood days despite both of them being supposedly of the same age.
Note: Beatrice from the mansion died 20 years ago while Battler and Jessica are supposedly 18 years old, so Jessica would actually be older than that.

>>3684068
Diffrent games = diffrent culprits become possible. I don't really have a theory worked out for the third game, especialy since it was stated in red in that one that Jessica didn't commit murder, but i can give you one for the second one.

Who done it:
Rosa and Jessica

How done it:
1st Twilight: Jessica dresses up as Beatrice and invites all the relatives to the church. She confronts them about Kinzo and the Gold (enter my theory that Jessica is actually the child of Kinzo and the Beatrice he kept at his hidden mansion here, see why done it) and claims her right as the rightful heir. They admit it and then get killed by her and Rosa and set up in the chapel. They go out of the door, paint the magic circle and Rosa puts the key in Maria's bag.

2. Twilight: However after that Rosa and Jessica clinch, Rosa wants to stop Jessica from killing further and confronts her in her room and ends up killing her. Notice how Kanons corpse disappears, like always when he dies. Rosa probably shot him and made him disappear to make him seem suspicious. Rosa also probably has obtained a master key by this point in time from one of the other servants, maybe Jessica was keeping it along with Kanon's and this is how the closed Room is created. Notice how all five master keys end up with Rosa, but it is not proved that she didn't hold one of them to begin with.

>>3684047
No she didn't. Battler theorized in blue that they weren't actually dead and it wasn't disproved. It was only stated in red that they were dead by the end of the game. Also it is entirely possible that there is a diffrent culprit in a diffrent game. Especially since we see the Jessica = Beatrice theory in episode 4. And in episode 5 the epitah was solved and "Beatrice" wasn't the culprit.

>>3683966
You don't really believe that, do you? I mean her being framed in episode 5 really makes it obvious that it wasn't her after all. Also obviously it wasn't Battler either. It's the Mion problem all over again. There must be someone else for whom the crime was possible.

>>3684022
continued:

5. Twilight to 8th Twilight:
Genji, Kumasawa, Nanjou and Kinzo.
Well seeing as Nanjou knew too much they had to dispose of them, Genji doesn't seem like he's capable of resistance and Kumasawa is just an old women none of these should have been to difficult for Kanon. As for the "Beatrice" Maria saw, I believe it was just Kanon crossdressing. I mean look at him, he looks like a fucking girl already.

The rest:
In the 4th game it was said that the person you want to go against most is usually left for last. In this case that would be Natsuhi, Jessica's greatest grudge right after Battler. Now after Natsuhi's death the 1st game ends and we never get to experience what happened afterwards, but I expect something along the lines of Jessica revealing her being the mastermind and then a konfrontation between Kanon-Jessica and George-Batter.

Why done it:
Jessica has every reason to hate her family. She hates the life on the island, she hates her mother who never really loved her. And she probably also hates Battler, you know the whole "Battler's sin" problem. I don't know the details but it's probably something along the lines of Battler 6 years ago promising Jessica to come and get her and release her of the chains of her life on the island and then just disappearing for 6 years. The reason why Kanon goes along with the crime is out in the darkness, but someone once suspected that he might be the real Battler, the child from Asumu that Rudolf and Kyrie made to disappear and that's how he ended in a certain orphanage. I like that theory.
Nanjou? He was probably forced to go along. I mean he does mention his granddaughter at times. Maybe Jessica and Kanon blackmailed him using her as bait.

>>3683945
>>3683837
Okay:

Who done it:
Jessica, Kanon and Nanjo

How done it:
1st twilight: Kanon brought a some poisoned snacks to the remaining adults at the family meeting, Jessica continues playing cards with the cousins until they go asleep and then goes to meet Kanon in the parlor. However they are discovered by Shannon who passed by there by chance and they have no choice but to silence her. Maybe Jessica shot her with a shotgun and that's why they started destroying the faces in the first place to make it seem like a matching crime, but this pushing it.
Anyway the two of them prepare the shed, Jessica paints the magic circle and Kanon returns the key.

2nd twilight:
The trick here is that Kanon was in the room as the chain was cut. Notice how most people arrive after the chain was cut, I'm not certain at what part Genji plays in this as he testified to have been with Kanon when they discovered the locked room. Maybe he was an accomplice as well and cut the chain to let Kanon out and make it seem like a perfect closed room murder. Also the weapon of choice in this case would be a stake shooting device.

3rd Twilight:
I don't really remember the circumstances, but placing the letter should not be that much of a problem.

4th Twilight:
Kanon fakes his own death, notice how the stake was found next to his body not actually impaling his chest. This is archieved by Dr. Nanjou being an accomplice and him and Jessica having been the only ones to be with Kanon at the "point of death".

>>3683654
Everybody would just use the water cleaning toilets.

I'm pretty certain Episode 1's culprit is Kanon with help from Nanjo and Jessica. Perhaps Jessica as the mastermind and Nanjo as the tragic accomplice.

I thought it was so that you will have to work hard for it, but it will certainly granted some day.

I wish to change the world to a place where my kind of people can be accepted and live freely. I have a dream...

Ethnicity(s): White
Nationality(s): German, though I am 1/16 Italian
Gender: M
Age: 20
Job/NEET status: First year at university
/jp/ interest(s): Pixiv, Nicodou, Anime/Manga, VNs

>>3679255
Being pro truth is cheating because you win no matter what. I still like my anti fantasy.