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>>4037274

That is true. It's not an instant death, but a slow and painful one. That said, I do find it hard to believe that someone with a stomach wound would be able to hide the heavy breathing involved with enduring that.

>>4037261

Firefly teaches us, Getting shot in the stomach is bad. You start bleeding acid internally. Shit feels bad. Of course, if done properly, any wound can be faked.

>>4037245

It says explicitly 5. There's no argument in that one.

So why would Kanon/Shannon have two?

>>4037187

You misunderstand. As I said, Hideyoshi died in the finale. Eva learns that Hideyoshi has been doing terrible things, and takes that secret with her.

If I have a few specifics wrong, then I'm sorry. It has been a while since I read episode 3 after all.

>>4037150

What do you mean, what? Say Hideyoshi was talking to Nanjo before killing him. Jessica starts crawling away, and Hideyoshi is distracted enough that Nanjo can charge him and grab the gun. The wrestle with the gun and die.

Episode 4 is the only one I'm really not sure about. There are too many things I can't really clearify, such as accepting Kinzo, and the magic.

Still, it's easy to see there being a big shootout in the family conference room, Hideyoshi forcing Krauss to lie bout what was going on, Jessica, Kanon, and Shannon turning the tables on him, killing him, but then killing everyone else and forcing Kyrie to talk to Battler, before ending her life. Kanon is killed, but Shannon survives.

Jessica appears as Beato, before or after poisoning Maria, but after killing George with a gun, and is driven to suicide by the things he says. She has Shannon kill her, who then kills herself with the stake found near her body.

I dunno specifics about Kumasawa and Gohda, but there is tons of time for something to happen to them.

Episode 3:

Something goes really wrong on the first twilight, and both Shannon and Kanon die, leaving Jessica without allies. Battler's explanation works here, unless my memory is mistaken, as one of them, maybe Kanon, died in an accident while preparing something else in the church

Because of this mistake, Jessica has difficulty moving on her own.

Seeing an opportunity, Hideyoshi, for an unknown reason kills Maria and Rosa. Maybe Eva told him what had happened with the epitaph, and he wants all the gold for his family.

Kyrie realizes somethings up, and a shootout happens. Kyrie and Rudolph are killed. Hideyoshi found the stakes previously, and uses them to make it seem like this was the kind of murder, injuring himself for the cover. Note the locations of the stakes are wrong.

George sees Hideyoshi outside, and leaps out of the window. They fight, his own father turns a gun on him, and he's shot. He locks himself in the Parlor with Shannon, and he dies holding her body. Maybe he learns something, and that's the cause of the numbers.

Then he kills Krauss and Natsuhi, and finally tried to kill nanjo. Jessica is sneaking away, and that distracts him long enough for Nanjo to turn the tables and they both die. Jessica is caught by Eva after she kills Battler, and Eva gets Jessica to admit the truth of everything (like what happens in the end of Episode 3 in the Meta-world) and Eva escapes in time. To protect the honor of her husband and family, Eva takes the secret of what she learns to her grave.

>>4036939

Episode 2:

First twilight goes mainly as Shkannon says. Jessica likely has a suit she uses to look like Piece Beato. Explains why Piece Beato has such a strange outfit. Genji might have been in on it, or was convinced by Shannon/Kanon, or an old order from Kinzo.

Rosa is greedy-bitch'd, first twilight happens.

Jessica and Kanon go off to plot, but get into a dispute. To protect herself, She hides the body somewhere, and fakes her death.

Using Kanon's body, Jessica and Shannon kill Kumasawa and Nanjo, confusing Ghoda and perhaps Genji. I don't know the specific trap. Perhaps Kanon really was just dying from his wounds he received in Jessica's room (don't treat these wounds, I'm already dead-style explination for the Red Text), and lashed out at Shannon, acidentally murdering Nanjo and Kumasawa, but was killed by Shannon.

Shanon kills George, Gohda, and perhaps herself, and that's Episode 2.

Again, because Hideyoshi died early, nothing strange happens.

>>4036880

Ok, fine. but my memory on some aspects is shaky.

Episode 1, simple enough.

Beato's group kills five of the first twilight, Shannon, getting cold feet(likely knowing that they plan to blow up the island in a murder-suicide) wants to stay with George, and they are forced to kill her.

Second twilight uses normal ShKannon tricks, but with only Kanon. Hideyoshi dies without being able to do anything, and Episode 1 goes as smoothly as possible. Same with 3rd, only Kanon fakes his death. Not Shkannon.

Kanon shows up at the end, shoots Natsuhi. Natsuhi shoots back, but the TIPs show the gun she uses was more ornamental than practical. Hideyoshi may have brought his own gun, which Kanon then takes to create the holes to gouge.

Everyone sees kanon, Jessica laughs and reveals herself as Beato, explode.

End episode 1.

also, a problem exists with Shkannon that hasn't been addressed before. A lot of people would need to be in on it. As a matter of course, Genji. Nanjo too, for the bodies.

But Natsuhi and Krauss, sooner or later, would have to wonder why they never see Shannon and Kanon at the same time. Is George gay for Kanon? Is he hiding it too? Then why does he cry for Shannon's body when Kanon is right there? Or does he not notice he's dating a trap?

Gohda could have missed it, but Kumasawa was like a mother to them. She would need to be in on it too.

So...Genji, Nanjo, Natsuhi, Krauss, probably Kinzo, George, Jessica, and Kumasawa would have needed to be in on this for it to work.

>>4036817

Here is a good metaphor for how *solvable* is. It's like a connect the dots puzzle, without any numbers. Now, imagine that the puzzle had some dots that were just unneeded. Some of these Dots help define the picture better, others create wrong pictures, and some just confuse you.

Now imagine that, with every episode, more dots are added and others are taken away.

By episode 4, the right dots were in place to draw the right conclusions. But there are still a fuckton of other dots left over.

>>4036796

Let's put it like this.

There is one person, I'll say Jessica, who is trying to do the Epitaph murders, likely with help from the Meido and Kanon. This is Beato.

Then there is someone who is using guns to commit certain murders. I'll guess Hideyoshi. This is the cause of certain discrepancies in the murders, and explains why the murders don't always follow the epitaph perfectly.

One thing that's interesting is the Siesta Sisters, which seem to represent guns. They are never in alignment with Beato. Not once in 4 games.

There is also certain strange things with the adults, like Rudolph's murderous secret in 1 and 5, Hideyoshi hiding something in 3, as well as the general change of feeling in 3.

It also explains the manifold differences in episode 4.

>>4036759

It cannot be truly destroyed. Ryukushi likely wants it to be considered. But, at the very least, I have shown pretty conclusively that there is no reason for the games to need to be solved by Shkannon.

Furthermore, there is quite alot of evidence being ignored by almost everyone that seems to hint that there are multiple murdering groups at once. Which just makes Shkannon even more pointless.

>>4036745

Thanks anon.

This is the new symbol for an Umineko Brofist in my mind.

Namimi, remember we talked about this a few days ago? Don't use Red Truth ambiguities to argue. They never go anywhere. It is, at best, a stalemate.

This whole episode is so frustrating in General.

Both my least favorite theory and my favorite theory got massive support. I'm so trolled right now.

>>4036651

...He might not mind. This is Japan. That's a little odd, but not considered Incestuous. And he does Lust after her in episode 1.

>>4036669

interestingly enough, I believe she claims to be in Kinzo's study with Genji.

>>4036600

Ok, if the red text can be used to say that both personas died and lived on as Beatrice, and any red text for any human's death is useless. It allows so much that Shkannontrice becomes just one of dozens of new solutions.

I'd almost accept one persona dying, but both? that's just silly.

Jessica lived in the mansion her whole life, 18 years. She knew that place as well as anyone could. If she had the chance, she could escape. The Kanon thing could just be her remembering his spirit.

If it even happened in the first place.

Nanjo could have been killed by any body double. Say, Hideyoshi, who was clearly hiding something in episode 3, and has that odd tip.

I dunno why george jumped down, however. But, following Hideyoshi's secret, it could be related to that, and he felt he needed to escape the guesthouse without anyone knowing.. He went to see shannon's body for comfort as he hid, but was found out and died holding his love.

Furthermore our defining personalities within an DPD seems to be shaky and best, and I question it within the bounds of Knox 2 and 4.

Can you deny my blue truth?!

>>4036532

I don't recall that one. Are you sure that one wasn't referring to Episode 1?

And I don't think Kanon died in episode one. See first post in this thread.

All of the Shkannon stuff does is point to Shannon and/or Kanon being Wolves. Never does the theory require them to be the same person.

And, in fact, we do find both corpses in episode 3, and the deaths are confirmed in Red. That alone proves that something is different. *points to unaffiliated adult killer mentioned in first post.*

>>4036466

From what I understand, Bern took over.

>>4036461

Disregard that, I read the line above it.

Still, it seems an odd bit of White to include. Then again, Episode 2 as a translation is by far the least edited.

>>4036438

Wait...wait wait wait wait...
WAIT

...Isnt the word Corpse in white?

>>4036362

I agree on this point. You can argue that Umineko has more gameplay than any other Visual Novel.

>>4036371
I'll be frank, the Hanyuu Auau character confuses the hell out of me, and I'm kind of ignoring her until a Translation is out and we can clear the Witches Darkness from Episode 6.

For the moment, I would like to continue arguing as though 3/4th of the game isn't fanfiction. And on that basis, Erika might not exist. She is an illusory Piece like Kinzo that thinks and acts like a human piece.