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>>6046333
A wife is his equal, though. Not superior. If he were doing these things for his mother purely out of sense of obligation, it would certainly be honoring her.

>>6046324
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>>6046190
Ritual and regularity serve both us and God(s). And ritual isn't the only valid form of worship; creating works of art glorying God(s) are also worship. If I spend tremendous time and effort on a painting glorifying you, I am honoring you. This same applies to ritual, albeit ritual is accessible to people with no discernible talent.

>>6045967
>Yeah, and it's not about the things we do to worship God just as it's not about the gift the homeless man is giving.
That's right, it's as much about the ritual and regularity of the libation, rather than just some random libation time one time or another.

> Without faith a person can't have the right attitude to truly honor God and instead is making their worship about themselves and what they do for God as if God is lacking in some way that the worshiper can address.
I don't really see it that way, I don't think any worshiper would see it as a lack God(s) has that the worshiper is fixing, regardless of faith.

>>6045631
If the homeless person makes sincere effort to give this gift in a way pleasing to the king, if the homeless person scrupulously follows every procedure and gives a coat over and over and over again, and the vagrant checks the coat thoroughly and removes every protruding thread and cleans and perfumes each and every spot, and it cannot merely be about the coat, but about sincere honoring of the king.

>>6044576
>They believe in God's existence and acknowledge God as the Lord of the Universe.
Not necessarily YHWH.

>The legalistic conception of salvation is obviously heretical.
So is your idea of faith, at least to anyone besides Orthodox,

>It doesn't matter how you self-identify, what matters is how you act.
Everyone is a sinner, Christ even said mere thought counts as bad as action. But if you accept Christ as paying the toll for your sins, then you can achieve salvation.

> That doesn't mean some sort of weird legalistic lipservice 'contract' is needed; after all, people follow demons into damnation without acknowledging their existence all the time.
They also get their without faith in him, not really an apt parallel.

You can believe in relative or absolute morality and still be a Hellenist. I personally don't think morality is absolute anymore than beauty is, but I think there are dive canons of morality one can follow, just like there are divine canons of beauty.

>>6044528
Neither am I.
>>6044152
>>/lit/thread/S5966608

>>6044534
> 'Even the demons believe and yet tremble'.
They don't accept Christ as their Lord and Savior, neither did He die for their sins.

>'Affirming' and 'accepting' have nothing to do with faith, since faith is an active process of changing your life. There's no faith without atonement, and there is no atonement without willful real-world action.
The concept of having faith without even belief in Christ existed is completely foreign to me. Christ said the only way to God is through Him.

>>6044506
You do not represent most Christians, and that's counter to the doctrine of just about every single denomination.

>>6044445
This is a very unusual idea of faith, certainly not something I've encountered before. Affirming that Christ died for your sins and accepting Him as your Lord and Savior are fundamental components of faith to every Christian I've ever known and talked to about faith

>>6044321
I am speaking of Kierkegaard's conception of faith, which relates with affirming the irrational and impossible as a proof of trust in God.

>It doesn't matter whether you believe in the 'reality' (whatever that means) of God's existence as long as you trust in his plan for creation.
So you can be an atheist with great faith in God?

I'd like to make an argument here concerning faith. Now, Christian doctrine in general is that faith is required to please God (this is in the Bible, after all). But I hold that faith is not required to please God(s) at all, because faith is not needed to honor God(s).

To illustrate: if someone dies, and a thousand years later people are uncertain if that person ever existed, believing that person existed does them no real honor compared to actually honoring their purported grave with offerings and song. Similarly, God(s) are most honored by one worshiping them in glorious ways, that is what pleases them; personal belief is mostly of value to self, rather than God(s)

>>6044072
So your doctrine is pretty much tie opposite of both Catholic and Protestant, in which God initiates first and our free will is assent.

>>6044057
And this
>Where does faith come from? Faith is not something we conjure up on our own, nor is it something we are born with, nor is faith a result of diligence in study or pursuit of the spiritual. Ephesians 2:8-9 makes it clear that faith is a gift from God, not because we deserve it, have earned it, or are worthy to have it. It is not from ourselves; it is from God. It is not obtained by our power or our free will. Faith is simply given to us by God, along with His grace and mercy, according to His holy plan and purpose, and because of that, He gets all the glory.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-faith.html

>>6044054
And this
http://www.awmi.net/extra/article/faith_god

>>6044028
I mean this opinion
http://livingtheology.com/Faith.htm

No, this is my first time posting in these threads, but I have seen it come up regularly that faith is something that only happens as a gift from God, it is not possible to choose faith. Hell, I even heard that in church last Sunday.

I notice a lot of people stress free will in Christianity, but then they say we have no choice over belief, we can only believe in God if God makes us believe in him.