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23317151 No.23317151 [Reply] [Original]

Does anyone wear gloves while reading? I was thinking about buying some cotton ones to keep my hands from getting my books dirty.


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23317118 No.23317118 [Reply] [Original]

Is there a book that compares Roman administration and US administration faction for faction?

I was reading about the year of the six emperors and saw a lot of parallels between the deep state and how Trump wants to have a purge. The Praetorian guard indeed assassinated emperors.

JKF is the latest example.


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23317117 No.23317117 [Reply] [Original]

Whoa wtf? I thought he would end up with Mercedes by the end of the story, but instead he decides to run away with his adoptive daughter. Maybe modern society is turning me into a cuck. The biggest message of this novel is not about revenge, it’s about not being a cuck.

>> No.23317130

>>23317117
>>23314305
What's with all the sick fuck pedophile threads on this board lately?


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23317074 No.23317074 [Reply] [Original]

If I want to learn french only to read literature and philosophy, should I bother with pronunciation? It seems like there is a huge gulf between pronunciation and spelling in french to the point both seem like different languages lol

>> No.23317088

difficult to learn a language if you don't use it. french people are some of the most arrogant and negative people in the world though. if you make the slightest tonal difference to a native speaker they spit on you and kill your cat and piss on you and maybe stab you. if you want to practice then get some more civilized french speakers like the Swiss or Belgians.

>> No.23317110

>>23317074
I gave up on pronouncing things correctly, so be my guest

t. someone with intermediate French reading comprehension

>> No.23317120

what do you mean exactly, ignoring the spoken language entirely and just learning from text only? you'd only be makin it harder for yourself.

>> No.23317127

>>23317088
>difficult to learn a language if you don't use it.
My use case only involves reading skills. I


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23317039 No.23317039 [Reply] [Original]

The poststructualist self-reflexive "disingenuous" intertextuality of thinking, feeling, doing (foreclosed upon the idea) delineates to heteronominality, which is valorised as the telos of the process of becoming


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23316985 No.23316985 [Reply] [Original]

What criteria must a modern work fulfill to be considered an "epic"? Does it just have to be really long?

>> No.23317036

>>23316985
It must be about war in some way, deal with issues of life and death, and not be postmodern.

>> No.23317100

>>23317036
So Harry Potter can be considered an epic work then?

>> No.23317109

>>23317100
I mean actual wars, not battles with magic wands and woo woo.


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23316854 No.23316854 [Reply] [Original]

Mr Woodhouse in Emma is literally me

>> No.23317122

you must be very old indeed


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23316791 No.23316791 [Reply] [Original]

What are the most banned books in the world right now?

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>> No.23316886

Is Marquis de Sade banned in Canada? I
I went to my local bookstore and talked with the owner who I had a small rapport with and asked him if he had any copies of Marquis de Sade's Juliette. He looked at me extremely condescendingly and I left the store. I haven't been back since because of the experience and I hate this country.

>> No.23316892

>>23316886
Doesn't look like it, maybe the guy was just a faggot.

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23316896

Books are not banned as that would require them to be published. They are simply not published and if they are they are not permitted to be sold by conventional means.

Find me a store that sells The Fourth Political Theory for example. If you search for it on amazon you are recommended such gems as 'How To Be An Antiracist'.

>> No.23316902

>>23316886
It's not straight up illegal like The Turner Diaries but modern censorship involves minimizing shelf-space and conversation on social media.

>> No.23317072

>>23316892
>>23316902
I guess he was, thanks. I'll keep checking out stores when I leave town.


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23316779 No.23316779 [Reply] [Original]

>An entire chapter dedicated to some dipshits drinking wine from a bottle that smashed and three people walking up the stairs
People like this shit?

>> No.23316788

>>23316779
I just started this book kek
I think I got a gay edition without illustration, thoughbeit.

>> No.23316790

>>23316779
Midwit absolutely fucking filtered

>> No.23316810

>>23316790
I don't fucking CARE that shit sucks, faggot! I don't CARE that Jarvis only thinks of business! I don't CARE about Manette being in the north tower!!

>> No.23316839

>>23316810
And I don't fucking care that you personally have DOGSHIT taste, cockmonger. Eat shit and go back to reading your Pynchon slop


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23316768 No.23316768 [Reply] [Original]

It is unbecoming for a man over the age of 30 to delight in reading fiction

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>> No.23316945

>>23316768
No

>> No.23316954

>>23316768
Unbecoming to who? Who is it you're trying to impress or avoid offend? Genre fiction is all that 90% of adult males under 50 read (the few of them that read that is), if you're actually into literature you're more likely to be seen as a snob by most people. So it really depends on whose eyes you don't want to be seen as "unbecoming".

>> No.23316955

If you're over 30 and still bother with opinions of other I have some bad news for you

>> No.23316978

Not at all. In fact, modern people are likely to find having a taste for poetry to be more juvenile than having a taste for fiction.

>> No.23317048

>>23316978
If you're into poetry as a man people just assume you're either a hardcore leftist urbanite that's really into slam poetry by bipoc queer immigrant folx or you're just some loser college kid trying to impress arthoes.


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23316743 No.23316743 [Reply] [Original]

Someone plowed through the transcripts of the Penguin Random House/Simon & Schuster projected merger antitrust trial, and extracted a lot of details about the publishing industry:
https://www.elysian.press/p/no-one-buys-books

(1) The overwhelming majority of books published by major publishing houses generate little or no money for anyone, and in particular their authors.

(2) Books that sell more than [incredibly depressing number] copies are very rare. The DOJ collected data on more than 58,000 titles published in a year, and found that 90% sold fewer than 2,000 copies, and that the median number of sales was ... 12.

(3) The overwhelming bulk of book sales come from three classes of writers: celebrities, franchise authors (Stephen King, John Grisham, Colleen Hoover etc.,) and the backlist, that is, The Lord of the Rings, The Very Hungry Caterpillar, the Bible, etc. If you're not an author who is already in one of these three categories, your chances of making a living by publishing books are infinitesimal.

(4) The big publishing houses now spend almost all their money on a tiny number of gigantic advances. Even authors who get these get almost no money spent on publicity efforts by their publishers, because the giant advances go to people with a million TikTok followers.

(5) The Obamas sell so many books that they had to be taken out of the data analysis as distorting outliers.

(6) If/when book publishing goes to a Netflix/Spotify subscription model, where you pay $10 a month to read as many books as you want, traditional publishing will be destroyed, since 20% of book buyers spend 80% of the money spent on books (this is the ratio for basically everything).

(7) It's not unusual for a celebrity author to get a million dollar advance and then put their name on a book that doesn't sell any copies. Big publishing is a boom or bust/lottery ticket/VC investment model, which is increasingly untenable.

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>> No.23316756

>>23316743
very interesting! thanks for the synopsis

>> No.23316813

>>23316743
>The Obamas sell so many books that they had to be taken out of the data analysis as distorting outliers.
Don't people realize that they're black? What the fuck would they even write? Bix nood bananas and shit?

>> No.23316848

>>23316743
My favourite part of all this is that it renders the antitrust trial meaningless
The big publishers already have buyer power vis a vis authors and can make them do whatever
It is not competition among publishers that drives book prices either
So what's the point? The big five already have collective dominance (EU concept but still), stopping them from merging achieves nothing

>> No.23316864

Start practicing short form screenwriting, bros. Novels are pretty much only for yourself.

>> No.23316877

>>23316743

Publishers are really retarded. Someone should fund and start a new one that doesn’t only sell dei slop and Gordon Ramsey ‘authored’ auto biographies


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23316707 No.23316707 [Reply] [Original]

/lit/ has produced multiple collaborative projects and periodicals over the years. Many of these projects are now defunct, and the few that are still active seem to have uncertain trajectories. There are also solo writers who frequent /lit/ and—for better or for worse—their namefagging and shilling has impacted the culture of this board.

This thread is for the discussion of the history of /lit/ writing and the future of /lit/. To those that have been involved in previous /lit/ collaborative projects, such as The Lit Quarterly, Pinecone, The April Review, miniMAG and &amp: what were your experiences like? Does the drama and infighting surrounding so many of these /lit/ collaborative projects inevitably result in their dissolution? Do you think that /lit/ has anything valuable to offer for aspiring writers, in terms of critique or support?

Additionally: Are there any new projects in the works? What do you think is next for the so-called /lit/ renaissance? And now that a /lit/ author has finally gotten a mainstream book deal with a major publishing house, do you think that more of our authors are likely to see similar success?

Mega archive of /lit/ periodicals:
mega.nz/folder/2gsHSSbA#Sl46P4LljGlk9mnpAf3Mlw

>> No.23316819

>>23316707

Does anyone know what is going on with the new mag?

>> No.23317005

>>23316707
stop spamming this shit fag

>> No.23317017

>>23316819
Someone stole all the submissions and put it into another document, OP couldnt take it and disappeared.

>> No.23317141

>>23316819
dunno, did the op share an email address for subs?


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23316612 No.23316612 [Reply] [Original]

Is there a word that means "To live out one's fantasy" As in
>People went there to live out their fantasies
But in one word?

>> No.23316887

>>23316612
Just say "the people went to live," no need to spoonfeed.


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23316583 No.23316583 [Reply] [Original]

>C.S. Lewis spends a paragraph describing the difference between sex and gender
This threw me for a loop. Would C.S. Lewis be an "gender expression" apologist today?

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>> No.23316677

>>23316583
>Imaginary idea is more real than physical reality
It’s literally the reverse, ideas exist in the realm of potentiality, matter is old and solidified and therefore more enduring, harder to get around and hence more real. Gender is more real than sex is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.

>> No.23316807

>>23316677
>matter is old and solidified and therefore more enduring, harder to get around and hence more real
And metaphysics and the spiritual isn't, dipshit? Matter seems more "enduring" because were confined to it, obviously. The idea of someone (e.g. Jesus Christ or Caesar Augustus) is far more enduring than whatever time they had on Earth.

>> No.23316891

>>23316583
This is just platonism desu

>> No.23316925

>>23316583
I think what he is saying here is that gender is the expression of the sex. So male and female sex are concrete and black and white. But the expression of sex is more grey: a man can express himself in ways that are traditionally 'feminine', and a woman express herself in ways that are traditionally 'masculine', and that this expression also shows itself in nature. But it's basis still relates back to the sex.

If Lewis were to write extensively on the topic in an essay or something, like he's done with several topics included in his book Christian Reflections, he would argue that your sex is concrete: you simply are a male or female. But you can express yourself in any number of ways the sexes can. But that can only be possible first by accepting whatever sex you were born as, and it can't be chosen as a replacement of sex. Male or female is what you "are", gender is an idea that is representative of it. And he'd probably provide several examples, seeing that Lewis is great at making distinctions. What he would not support is modern gender dysphoria where you can pick essentially what 'sex' you are because you feel it's your 'gender'. Generally speaking, the terms sex an gender have become conflated when they are not even remotely the same thing.

>> No.23317114

english is insane to have separate words for it.


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23316574 No.23316574 [Reply] [Original]

>THERE are few cases in which mere popularity should be considered a proper test of merit; but the case of song-writing is, I think, one of the few.
Does this apply to literature?

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>> No.23316703

>>23316574
Poe is peak midwit

>> No.23316742

>>23316574
He's right to a large extent. (Almost) everyone likes a good tune and almost everyone knows instinctively the difference between a good tune and a bad one.

I think the closest to that in literature (or, at least, language) is the joke. A really good joke is instantly popular with almost everyone.

>> No.23316863

>>23316574
>Sick fuck pedophile
Ignored

>> No.23317042

>>23316863
cry more cuckservanigger

>> No.23317102

>>23316742
What is an example of an universally esteemed tune? or joke?


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23316544 No.23316544 [Reply] [Original]

>And it came to pass


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23316537 No.23316537 [Reply] [Original]

When I try to speak to people or even just sitting around I make these hoarse, weak breathing sounds. My skin has begun to fall off, I can feel it, it's not attached to anything beneath and it'll never go back if i pull it too hard. I'm getting tinnitus all the time and I can barely see, like black spots and bright lights flashing. Doesn't really matter as there's nothing I want to see anyway. I'm just so fucking tired all the time I feel like I could sleep and never wake up, I want that and I'm too tired to hide it anymore. This ugly skin just keeps moving around, I'm afraid it could pull on the nerves and break them, that could never be fixed if it did happen, just another thing permanently broken. My skull's getting soft too, rub it too hard and it'll crack. Fall and it'll definitely break. Taking the blackpill has been the worst choice I ever made, I'm embarrassed and I'm ashamed.

>> No.23316573

*cracks your faggot skull*
Faggot.

>> No.23316770

>>23316537
Decent writing until the nuclear cringe of "blackpill". I fucking loathe people who give themselves narrative driven depression.
You should be ashamed to the point of making changes. Don't show your faggot face even in the role of observer anywhere online before you stop being so embarrassing.

>> No.23316830

>>23316770
Are you ok?


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23316502 No.23316502 [Reply] [Original]

Who are the best living poets in your opinion?

I know a lot of you are going to say “none” but there has to be some that are good.

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>> No.23316540

Anthony Barnett

>> No.23316557

>>23316525
Alice Oswald’s Memorial poem sounds pretty interesting.

>> No.23316558

>>23316540
His Wikipedia reads more like that of an activist than a poet.

>> No.23316683

>>23316558
>his wikipedia
Try reading a poem and then saying something, dumbass.

>> No.23316696

>>23316558
>>23316683
Y'know what? Nevermind. I thought you were just being lazy, but I can't even find any poems from this guy. Why did you rec him, anon >>23316540?


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23316500 No.23316500 [Reply] [Original]

“Let's suppose that you were able every night to dream any dream that you wanted to dream. And that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time. Or any length of time you wanted to have. And you would, naturally as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each, you would say "Well, that was pretty great." But now let's have a surprise. Let's have a dream which isn't under control. Where something is gonna happen to me that I don't know what it's going to be. And you would dig that and come out of that and say "Wow, that was a close shave, wasn't it?" And then you would get more and more adventurous, and you would make further and further out gambles as to what you would dream. And finally, you would dream ... where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today.”

>> No.23316523

>75 year long non stop coom sex dreams
>PER NIGHT
Where do I sign up?

>> No.23316530

is allan watts the very first bbc worshipper?

>> No.23316556

>>23316500
I would spend lifetimes studying and become the world's greatest living mathematician literally overnight

>> No.23316576

>>23316556
This but I would study police body cam shooting vids and anthropology and become the world's foremost expert in Applied Racism


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23316492 No.23316492 [Reply] [Original]

It's too hot to read.

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>> No.23316862

>>23316723
Metric was devised by French revolutionary savages. It’s far from “civilized”

>> No.23316865

>>23316800
Nah

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23316869

>>23316857

>> No.23316870

>>23316509
You're probably a sad, miserable man. I pity you.

>> No.23316871

>>23316577
>>23316579
NTA but still no argument lol how do you expect to bring people on the fence to your side? I'm open to any counter point from your side but you taking the "moral high road" by not even engaging with it is fucking stupid