/lit/ - Literature

>>13138972
This shouldn't be a thread on a literature board

>he hasn't read Mensagem

>muh cherrypicking to prove a point

Very good discussion! Keep the level up!

The free will 'solution' to the problem of evil is laughable. So God grants some backwards warlord free will (after all we wouldnt wanna be robots!), but this same warlord then robs me of my and many other people's free will. He starves me, tortures me, enslaves me, cuts off my fingers; where is my freedom in this? Where is my free will?

>>13014980
It doesn't have to be in an objective sense. One can merely adopt the Christian framework of good and evil and argue from that. There is scarcely a Christian who would deny that God allows evil.

>>13014947
>If the existence of evil means God is evil, does the existence of good mean God is good?
No. If you are good and powerful you stop evil. It's that simple.
>When disease kills, is it not good for the bacteria, and evil to humans
LMAO just don't create disease then.
>Is God not able to produce good for ALL things, and evil as well? Wouldn’t God be diminished if were not able to do so?
He is able but if he does so he is evil
>Without evil, the world would be much simpler and more boring... be thankful to God
Thank you Jesus that my son was born with brain cancer and thank you for your famines and natural disasters which have rendered us homeless and starving. Thank you Jesus Christ for this pain in my stomach, an indicator of hunger and impending death. Thank you Lord for your allowing those evil people in my neighbourhood free will, who in turn use it to rob me of my free will by imprisoning me, stealing from me, and torturing me. Thank you!

>>13014883
>this one graph disproves the whole body of scientific work surrounding climate change!
kek. Co2 has been linked to climate change; it is an undeniable fact that humans are the main cause of it and that we will be faced with disastrous consequences if we do not address it. I'm sorry you fell for the BigOil propaganda

>>13014690
The characters and plot in GOT are infinitely deeper than Tolkien's. You should only read Tolkien for the prose.

>>13014869
no, an omnipotent and moral god does not exist. perhaps a malevolent god does.

>>13014476
Wait are you honestly as retarded as to say that morality is simply black and white and there are no cloudy areas? What a fucking moron.

>>13014808
God created us not out of selfless love but out of the desire to exalt himself. He took on human flesh and suffered for us so that we may praise him for his magnanimity, and created hell to showcase his power. It is possible that infinite such creations exist, all designed for the purpose of exalting him.
t. calvinist

>>13014819
>sometimes necessary
yeah babies born with brain cancer are sometimes necessary brah, just be a man!

>>13014775
Why will it have a mass audience if it's becoming obsolete

>>13014604
>The left right now craves a kind of moral perfection that is entirely unattainable while the right cynically revels in disjunctions between stated beliefs and performed actions.
Lmfao yeah the moralfagging right squealing about how abortion and "degeneracy" are immoral, how society should prioritise Christianity and "traditional values", how people of different races pose a threat to the "moral order" of society, how women should dress modestly -- they are the true libertines! Keep rolling around in your ideological filth retard.
>>13014571
>It was initially the left who pronounced the death of meta-narratives.
No it was postmodern philosophers who are not representatives of the left. This is why the political spectrum is useless.
>climate change
A real and present threat to society. I don't think anticipating danger through scientific calculations and research is a sufficient condition for a meta-narrative.
>99%
Yeah the Marxist political movement believes in meta narrative who would have thought
>whereas the right have embraced postmodernity fully
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA yeah the RIGHT WING who is constantly talking about "Western Civilisation" and "the muslim invasion" and "we must protect our people" and Christianity don't have a meta narrative

>>13014379
me:
>He gets sentenced to death for premeditated murder not because it was proved that the murder was actually premeditated, but because it was proved that he refused to conform.
camus:
> I only meant that the hero of my book is condemned because he does not play the game.

>>13014267
Funny. I looked up some interpretations of it and found Camus' summary:
>I summarized The Stranger a long time ago, with a remark I admit was highly paradoxical: 'In our society any man who does not weep at his mother's funeral runs the risk of being sentenced to death.' I only meant that the hero of my book is condemned because he does not play the game.
Basically identical to how I summarised it. You should take this up with Camus.

>>13014278
Notice how you've only namedropped different philosophies which you say will elucidate its profundity without actually countering what I said. A typical sign of someone who just reads Wiki articles on philosophy and reckons himself an expert. How about explaining to me how my interpretation of it was wrong and why it is actually more complex than I took it?

>>13014044
I haven't read the Myth of Sisyphus, so perhaps reading that would elucidate some deeper meaning in the Stranger. As it stands, I saw nothing further in it than nihilism/rejecting social norms/not seeing the value in his relationships and job etc and how this may have deleterious effects.

>>13011052
Slavery

>>13010910
Socialism is an option. If you reject socialism then social democracy is the next best thing. As for the ecology crisis, we must replace fossil fuel-based energy companies with NATIONALISED nuclear energy plants.
>>13010930
How would not voting make the left seem less averse to fun? The only people on the left who are like that are the politically correct types.

>>13010876
That's the way things seem to be going. Maybe the ecological crises and the invention of machinery that will render workers obsolete will revitalise the spectre of communism.

>>13010840
Feudalism lasted a thousand years yet was toppled. Capitalism hasn't been around for even half of that.

>>13008274
>I’m not so sure about that
It's absolutely true. He urges the left to 'learn, learn, learn' and 'think', without recognising the importance of practical action.
He said in the debate, 'abstain or Corbyn'. But encouraging people to abstain does nothing but loosen the grip of the left on the political sphere while simultaneously empowering the right. The more we 'learn, learn, learn' the more taxes fall for the rich, the more dire the ecological situation becomes, and the further we stray from overthrowing capitalism.