/lit/ - Literature

>>18840350
>yes you did literally steal their religion and pretend it was yours
Nice job failing to refute any of the arguments I put forward. The Jews are the enemies of all mankind and the synagogue of Satan, the New Testament proves it, and you are either a Jew, or a golem unwittingly doing their will by shilling against Jesus Christ. Put forth an argument, or stop responding.
>>18840356
Yeah, I'm sure that untenable expansionist policies, mass immigration from Gothic refugees, and pressure from murderous invading barbarians had nothing to do with it. Christianity makes empires fall, which is probably also the reason why previously irrelevant Western and Northern European countries became forces of imperial world domination after being Christianized. Bad interpretation of history, try again.

>>18197569
>The happiness/health of any particular individual is not what morality is concerned with
Which is why utilitarianism fails when dealing with the most important thing on a day-to-day basis - the interactions between individuals.

>Pleasure/satisfaction is not a subjectively designated end, it is the end to which we all necessarily strive.
I disagree. I believe that happiness is the end to which we all necessarily strive, and I do not believe happiness consists in pleasure or satisfaction. I believe that pleasure/satisfaction arise as a proper accident from that perfect good of happiness, but that in and of itself, pleasure does not constitute happiness.

>This simply isn't possible. All actions we take are to achieve some kind of satisfaction
Again, no, this is the type of bugman thinking that utilitarianism inspires in people. It is absolutely possible for people to take actions against their feeling of well-being. As I've already said, people accept brutal torture rather than giving out the information as to the whereabouts of their team-members, people undergo intense, and sometimes harmful, penances and asceticism for the express purpose of feeling uncomfortable ("bearing a cross").

>My advice would be not to bother...
Your advice is respectfully rejected. Although you may believe you have it all figured out, I believe the materialist utilitarian moral perspective is insufficient in explaining and optimizing various aspects of human life, especially interpersonal relations and spiritual philosophies, especially when compared to universal, objective, and transcendent moral-ethical codes derived from theological revelations.