/lit/ - Literature

>>19701652
> he himself is a sexual deviant, and is incapable of love
That doesn't make any sense. If you're talking love for a wife, thats an entirely different kind of love, but thats far from the only kind of love, and being a deviant doesn't even exclude you from the love of a wife. Would you really say Saint Augustine didn't know the love of Christ.

Fucking obnoxious trad larpers, you realize the founders of the Church were sexual deviants? The true men of christ aren't some polo wearing wasp faggot that lets his wife keep his balls in a jar.

Which philosophers will assist me in getting closer to enlightenment? I’m in the midst of reading the Bible, but I understand that previous philosophers had developed ideas on God and Jesus.

I already have Plato, Aristotle, Saint Augustine, Saint Thomas Aquinas, and Bernard of Clairvaux. Anyone else?

>>19219693
Thank you brother.

Theology is the principal science. What are /lit/'s favorite theology books?

Can /lit/ offer any suggestions? I'm interested in the Confessions and City of God. If there's no solid recommended translation, I'll just go with old used modern library editions from the 50s that I can get cheaply, but thought I would check to see if there are better modern translations that have become new standards. Thanks!

I am absolutely fascinated by early Christianity. What are the best books that can give me an in depth understanding of the beginnings of Christian Theology from a historical perspective?
Augustine is great of course—he is truly a giant in my eyes, but I am looking for more context than I can get from any one person who was living at the time this was all happening

>refutes Cre*tionists
heh nothing personal kid

>>17925360
It was fine how it was

>>17840073
>Calls anon a pseud
>Posts screenshot from a slide show presentation on a YouTube video to prove point
That anon wasn't saying that people didn't do magic (sure they did, no one is arguing this) just that magic is sourced from Satan.
This is a famous argument that St. Augustine of Hippo himself made, influencing the Early Church and the rest of Christianity.
>https://www.gutenberg.org/files/45304/45304-h/45304-h.htm
>Go to Book 8, Chapter 19: Of the impiety of the magic art, which is dependent on the assistance of malign spirits.

>>17800209
Because of what Augustine famously said, anon, 1700 years ago in the Confessions

>You have made us for yourself, O Lord, and our hearts are restless until they rest in you.

Yes.

>>17549852
>>17549870
Oh I see it I think...

>>17298274
B A S E D
This Nigga gets it.

>Live the most degenerate possible life
>convert to a heretic sect
>convert to Christianity afterwards
>pretend to have any moral high ground
Why did he do it?

Don't you mean
>If God is perfect in his eternity, unity, and morality, what tf was the point of creating a world without these things?

Does will precede the intellect or does the intellect precede the will? Does what we will reflect what we think, or does what we think reflect what we will?

Didn’t know where to post this (I assumed maybe x but it is not supernatural, more so philosophical) so I will post it here. I was curious about Catholicism‘s stance on self preservation and found out, that it is completely against it in favor of God over man, and in fact lying to protect an innocent life is regarded as sinful as murder.

> St. Augustine, however, took the opposite side, and wrote two short treatises to prove that it is never lawful to tell a lie.

> Innocent III gives expression in one of his decretals to this interpretation, when he says that Holy Scripture forbids us to lie even to save a man's life. If, then, we allow the lie of necessity, there seems to be no reason from the theological point of view for not allowing occasional murder and fornication when these crimes would procure great temporal advantage;

This is the second time I have come across something utterly retarded from this renowned “Saint” Augustine (the first being the immaculate conception, in which he regards sperm as evil) and the more I look into the more obscure corner the more stupider Catholicism seems to become, little Augustus here seems no better than your average hive minded female-souled bugman telling you to take a vaccine for the greater good. It seems anti logic, anti male, anti freedom, anti survival. This is poisonous.

>noo you have to believe in my Jew demon or you'll burn in hell for all eternity!!
Ahh...so this is the power of Christian theology...

What is your opinion on Augusine versus Pelagius? Which do you think was overall the better philosopher and induced human nature better? Is there any problem or inconsistencies with their ideas that could be catastrophic if taken too far?

>cites over 300 Greek, Roman, and Hebrew philosophers, poets, and theologians to build his arguments in his book City of God, a book that covers every subject under the sun
>/lit/ reduces all of that down into "he was a retard"
Why does /lit/ do this?

>>16602632
>>16602632
That's a picture of Saint Augustine, you should actually try reading him.
>Nor knew I that true inward righteousness which judgeth not according to custom, but out of the most rightful law of God Almighty, whereby the ways of places and times were disposed according to those times and places; itself meantime being the same always and every where, not one thing in one place, and another in another; according to which Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and Moses, and David, were righteous, and all those commended by the mouth of God; but were judged unrighteous by silly men, judging out of man's judgment, and measuring by their own petty habits, the moral habits of the whole human race.
>Even such are they who are fretted to hear something to have been lawful for righteous men formerly, which now is not; or that God, for certain temporal respects, commanded them one thing, and these another, obeying both the same righteousness: whereas they see, in one man, and one day, and one house, different things to be fit for different members, and a thing formerly lawful, after a certain time not so; in one corner permitted or commanded, but in another rightly forbidden and punished. Is justice therefore various or mutable? No, but the times, over which it presides, flow not evenly, because they are times. But men whose days are few upon the earth, for that by their senses they cannot harmonise the causes of things in former ages and other nations, which they had not experience of, with these which they have experience of, whereas in one and the same body, day, or family, they easily see what is fitting for each member, and season, part, and person; to the one they take exceptions, to the other they submit.
>These things I then knew not, nor observed; they struck my sight on all sides, and I saw them not. I indited verses, in which I might not place every foot every where, but differently in different metres; nor even in any one metre the self-same foot in all places. Yet the art itself, by which I indited, had not different principles for these different cases, but comprised all in one. Still I saw not how that righteousness, which good and holy men obeyed, did far more excellently and sublimely contain in one all those things which God commanded, and in no part varied; although in varying times it prescribed not every thing at once, but apportioned and enjoined what was fit for each. And I in my blindness, censured the holy Fathers, not only wherein they made use of things present as God commanded and inspired them, but also wherein they were foretelling things to come, as God was revealing in them.

Let's consider all the new cults and religions that were spreading across the Roman Empire during the 2nd-4th century AD (Christianity, Mithraism and other mysteries etc.)

1) What was their connection to Greek philosophy? Christianity was heavily influenced by Hellenism since its beginning. Just think to John 1:1, in which the Jewish messiah is identified with the Greek λόγος. Does this phenomenon have parallels in the other religions of that period?

2) Was Christianity the only religion to have a proper apologetics? Are there at least quotes from, say, mithraic apologetics books in christian books?

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